MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
“Newly valuable” Falklands open to attack by axing Ark Royal and the Harriers
A group of former Royal Navy admirals have called for the decision to scrap the aircraft carrier Ark Royal and the fleet of Harrier jets to be reversed. The cuts were announced as part of the government's Strategic Defence Review. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAllo Allo
Nov 10th, 2010 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is practically invited to attempt to inflict on us a national humiliation on the scale of the loss of Singapore.”
“The last Treasury-driven '10-year rule' in the 1930s nearly cost us our freedom faced with Hitler”
Mon Dieu!!!
Is good you have the French :-)))
Is good you have the French
Nov 10th, 2010 - 07:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, its good you clowns are not Japs :-)
Merely a Wapanese, and I watch anime. I love my tatami.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0maybe bait, to get the Argentineans to attack, so they can be finished off completely this time. remember the SS.Automedon
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0(4) Isolde
Nov 10th, 2010 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Attack!!!
With what???
Please go back to your kitchen and make the men a nice cup of tea... (remember the scones:-)
Equality Think ..... or are you a mysogynist?
Nov 10th, 2010 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's just a domestic argument by the admirals to defend their navy. The only reason the navy was required in 1982 was because the islands could not be defended before being lost. They could and would be now.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There's no need for an aircraft carrier if you have an unsinkable one in the region already.
and don't forget not all Britain's nuc attack submarines are bogged on scottish beaches, could well be there's a couple cruising around down here...care to call THEIR bluff RGs?
Nov 10th, 2010 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
(6) Hoyt
Nov 10th, 2010 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mysogynist Moi?.... Never … Just pulling sweet Isolde’s cute legs :-)
As a not very well known Argentinean ”Street Philosopher” once said:
There are two types of Women…
The Mothers…. And the Others…
If it's a choice between Harriers and Tornadoes; I'd opt for the Tornadoes. We could get them there more quickly if necessary, and more of them. With those, Typhoons, Storm Shadow and sub launched cruise if necessary, the invaders would soon know what it feels like to be in a real shooting war. Much easier in '82 against virtually unarmed opposition. Kirchner and Co. would have to be mad to try another silly little invasion. Here's hoping.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously though, it wouldn't be pretty, a lot of people would get hurt. Best just let Falklanders be Falklanders and let Argentinians get on with their happy lives in their big, resource rich country. Shame about the original inhabitants of that land. Still, let bygones be bygones eh?
I agree with you Alexei, let argentines and falklanders live in peace and prosperity in their own land, perhaps as neighbours, eventualy as partners or friends. Shame on Great Britain, the alien & bully factor in south atlantic; the only factor that is out of place and the main factor of dispute. Make your colonial masters to leave and I´m sure your desires about happiness will be acomplished.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bully factor in south atlantic
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats rich from the regional Flashman
“I'd opt for the Tornadoes.”
Nov 10th, 2010 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Personally, harriers.
Tornados are bombers, not fighters. A harrier will take down a Tornado any day of the week. Harriers require less people to maintain and can work from aircraft carriers and shorter run ways.
Tornados are good for ground fights like Afghanistan.
Harriers for example would be great off the new carrier. But either way if falklands 2 came around Tornados wouldn't be used too much. The Typhoons would see most action.
Zeethee, granted the Harrier has certain advantages, but the Tornado ADV (air defence variant) has a greater range, carries more munitions and is capable of mach 2.2. They were designed to intercept Soviet aircraft and to launch long range retaliatory strikes against the Soviet Union. Consequently Tornadoes in fighter bomber configuration have the range and capability to take out targets in Argentina if required to do so. Something a Harrier just wasn't designed to do. Either way, against the 1950s vintage recycled junk that passes for an air force in Argentina, I don't think we need to worry too much.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“against the 1950s vintage recycled junk that passes for an air force in Argentina, I don't think we need to worry too much.”
Nov 10th, 2010 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree. 100%.
“carries more munitions and is capable of mach 2.2. They were designed to intercept Soviet aircraft and to launch long range retaliatory strikes against the Soviet Union. Consequently Tornadoes in fighter bomber configuration have the range and capability to take out targets in Argentina if required to do so”
All of which can be done with greater success with the EF's.
For instance, if that Air strip was taken out by a commando raid or something else, we would have neither the typhoons or the tornados.
Harriers, on the other hand...
Also, even RAF were crews complaining that the Tornado features extremely low agility and maneuvrability during the high speed low passes which makes it almost impossible to perform a high g turn as an evasive maneuver.
As a bomber though, the tornado is one of the best in the world. It's just not an A2A fighter.
And then again, the warmongering. You people are like Neanderthals, you lack the ability to talk and you throw things at people like angry macaques lol
Nov 10th, 2010 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well if it is an invatation , i hope argentina does not take it up.
Nov 10th, 2010 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As another bloodshed is not needed , twice in one century is enough
After reading the article above and all the british “warriors” comments I am beginning to believe this article:
Nov 11th, 2010 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0'British population is 'highly paranoid''
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1583515/British-population-is-highly-paranoid.html
briton, the Chilean goofy who loves to be the British tool.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can't write a single coherent and proper English sentence.
“And then again, the warmongering”
Nov 11th, 2010 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A warmonger is a pejorative term that is used to describe someone who is eager to encourage a people or nation to go to war.”
No-one is discussing invading your nation. We don't want a war with your nation.
We are discussing different aircraft. Discussing defence technology isn't the same thing as wanting to use it.
@ Zethee #20
Nov 11th, 2010 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should stop throwing your money away or you'll soon be turning into a nation full of grass eaters.
'British population is 'highly paranoid''
Nov 11th, 2010 - 07:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IJmcU-kwMM
Argie modesty at work again
@ stick up your junta
Nov 11th, 2010 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0That video shows you understand ZERO. What's Psychoanalisys got to do with being a British paranoid? Stick our fist up your broon hal.
you presume too much, senor think. who can fortell the future? Argentina could get an intelligent president who drags the country upwards and makes it properous,(it has the potential) so that you can afford to buy the latest Russian(or other) military equipment etc etc. then to satisfy misguided demand, have another crack at the Falklands. l, personally, do not buy this“we have no airforce,navy etc with any capabilities” rhetoric.if you want them that bad, then you will try again. and for your personal information snr think, l never make tea. l prefer coffee.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You should stop throwing your money away or you'll soon be turning into a nation full of grass eaters.”
Nov 11th, 2010 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's your oppinion, personally i don't agree. I think having an armed forces is vital to a nation.
Isolde, you are partially right.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You could see that some of us try not to be part of the threating, but surely we could do as you say. Guns are a matter of money, processes, planning and training. I should try to buy them and be equipped with the best state-of-the-art in planes and subs. (and the right fuses)
Unfortunately to your hypotesis, our National Constitution neglects that idea to be carry to practice. And better than that, our national culture is not an invasive one, despite what Justin or others shout.
From british side what we can see is a lot of warmongering speech from Cameron in July to admirals today, with a clear goal of avoiding some budget cuts and/or to be part of an aggresive attempt to rule South Atlantic. All what i have to said about, is that the only risk for everybody remains in that attitude.
From british side what we can see is a lot of warmongering speech from Cameron in July to admirals today
Nov 11th, 2010 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is to make sure,you Argies get the right signals,one of the reasons you invaded last time was the misunderstanding Britain would not defend them,best you know where you stand
(24) Isolde baby….
Nov 11th, 2010 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentinean president doing what you just described, would not be an “intelligent” one…
About you never making tea….
Well…..
A minor flaw on a flower makes it only more beautiful....
It is important to realise that Argentines are lying dagos. Here in the UK we are trying to persuade the current government that they are making a mistake. If Argentina was as peaceful and democratic as it would like the world to believe, its actions would be completely different. Instead, it it just engaging in another scam.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“From british side what we can see is a lot of warmongering speech from Cameron in July to admirals today”
Nov 11th, 2010 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you can find me a link showing the UK trying to pull Argentina into another war, then you would be right.
Thats what warmongering is, try looking the word up.
Is “dago” a racist insult? Don´t surprise me coming from who wrote.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Zethee, assuming that you are serious, explain me last 5 months british newspapers and sucessive comments on forums of all kind.
As I have put it: some lobby is struggling against budget cuts or your information services are dumb, as military secrecy is not an issue here.
Nobody underestimate your secret services.(unless CIA, KGB and Mossad that have some doubts)
So...just lobby?
The pattern of british recent international behaviour is invasive and desperate for resources.
Something that we are taking in account but that haven´t changed our decision for peace, yet.
“Zethee, assuming that you are serious, explain me last 5 months british newspapers and sucessive comments on forums of all kind. ”
Nov 11th, 2010 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Debating defence, the defence of people. and the ability to do so.
Not debating invading Argentina.
Or you have not read the same Telegraphs, Daily Mails, BBC and Guardians than me or I have missed that the talk about “bomb them” is a common habit through middle-class british people referring to other countries.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Say a loooot of typhoons and stinkys. “The world is isolated”, the next card in Devon for foggy days.
But that didn´t happen before some belligerent talk from DSt10 in july.
For the benefit of Pheel, who is not Worldly wise in any respect;
Nov 11th, 2010 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Look up dago in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Dago is a UK ethnic slur for people of Hispanic, Italian or Portuguese descent, used specifically in the US and Australia for Italians.
Dago can also refer to:
“Dago” in American/Italian culture can also be used as a term of endearment in the company of longstanding friendships
Dago, Indonesia, an area of the city of Bandung, Indonesia
Dago Creek is a feeder stream to, and located on, the northern shore of Ugashik Bay, Alaska
Dago Mena in the Nangarhar province of Afghanistan
Dago Nawer in the Kandahar province of Afghanistan
Dagö, the old Swedish name of Hiiumaa, second largest island in Estonia
Dago, the alleged baptismal name of Mieszko I of Poland, as used in Dagome iudex
Dago (comics), an Argentinian comic book character
Dagö, an Estonian band
DAGO (U.S. Army), an acronym for Department of the Army General Officer
Dago, a colloquial term used by the United States Marine Corps to refer to San Diego (or to the Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego).
Dago, pronounced dûgoo, colloquial use for Madagascar by exiled natives or diaspora; As Tana is short for Antananarivo, the Capital city, Dago[1] is for Madagascar with a connotation of “sense of belonging”'
“or I have missed that the talk about “bomb them” is a common habit through middle-class british people referring to other countries. ”
Nov 11th, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or have you missed the simular talk from Argentines on this very site?
I suppose they also speak for the entire nation as you seem to think the people on those website do?
Thanks Wi, I wouldn´t figure out without your help.
Nov 11th, 2010 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is like saying “Pirate” or “Slaver” to a person of British phigsionomy, is it?. Something related to the collective memory about the people of a determined origin.
BTW, the Dago comic was an excellent character of a venetian sailor taken prisoner by pirates. Pity haven´t been translated to a “Pirate” dialect.
28 Think , Is there something going on beteween you and Isolde?
Nov 11th, 2010 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever it takes to get our islands back! :-)
Actually Pheel, I've no idea there was a comic called 'Dago', as far as I understood the word is derived from the name 'Diego', and I have to admit that the word 'dago' is not in common usage in the UK. Certainly it is about six months since I last saw it being used anywhere, I haven't heard it spoken by anyone for a number of years, but it often crops up in old films or 'alternative' comedy, usually stuff I don't find funny.
Nov 12th, 2010 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0You can call me those words if you like Pheel, as long as I know I don't own a boat, wooden leg, or a parrot, or indeed know anyone lad called Jim, and haven't personally cornered the market in shackles, you'll find it difficult to get a rise from me, since if there's any insult intended, it does not hit any mark and you're wasting your time.
However, I still maintain that you are a bit of a plank.
piss of XBOX children like you should grow up, but then again imigrants like xbox never do, what a prick,
Nov 12th, 2010 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Coming from you, I feel more like Sir Francis Haddock at the Unicorn.
Nov 12th, 2010 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Peel, dago is used by the Americans rather than us,
Nov 12th, 2010 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0so try English words And they may be understood .
“William never spoke for he stood turned to stone as he stooped;
Nov 12th, 2010 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0and Bert and Tom were stuck like rocks as they looked at him.
And there they stand to this day, all alone, unless the birds perch on them;
for trolls, as you probably know, must be underground before dawn,
or they go back to the stuff of the mountains they are made of,
and never move again. This is what had happened to Bert and Tom and William.”
Understood?
To be or not to be That is the question
Nov 12th, 2010 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0So it was tom dick and Harry, not William and Bert savvy
Pheel appears to be well read, although his use of a passage from 'The Hobbit' in this instance does not support his argument or position, if fact his position as a Malvinist is rather difficult to comprehend, since it is based on a false history, and a lifetime of indoctrination by the state.
Nov 12th, 2010 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its all about facts.
Nov 12th, 2010 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The falklands are British, And the argentines cannot have them ?
@37 marcos. l shall regard that remark with the utter contempt that it so thoroughly deserves.
Nov 13th, 2010 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28 think. in your dreams, baby
@26 pheel. are you trying to say that you Argentineans are more peaceful than the British? you are trying to be funny aren't you? with your 30,000 disappeared citizens, your massacre of native peoples & your invasion of a small nearly defenceless Falklands(that you do not own)you are as bad as anyone else. don't try the moral high ground.all human groups are guilty of all sorts of crimes against their fellow man. what makes you think that you Argentineans are any better than anyone else?
(46) Cher Isolde
Nov 13th, 2010 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0That’s the way to do it!
You“Babe” us, We “babe” you.
Bon week-end poupée
d'accord m think. you've got it bad, mon ami. like me, you have too much time on your hands,
Nov 13th, 2010 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too much time?
Nov 13th, 2010 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Strange notion…
Too much time for what?
To be?
To live?
To think?
To stalk.
Nov 13th, 2010 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Wi
Nov 13th, 2010 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was just commenting “briton” behaviour as a troll with that piece of writing.
BTW, did you understand the relationship of Le Chevallier Francois Hadocque and your ironic plank?
(51) Pheel
Nov 13th, 2010 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Curious coincidence!
The other day it crossed my mind that the “knowledge” most of the British posters in here “think” they have about Latin-America seems to originate from Hergé :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Theodoros
As some wise philosopher wrote: “ to love something implies previous knowledge”.
Nov 13th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Were you from the logia that tried to bomb Gral Zapata?
I can imagine Hoyt selling stuff to both countries
Myself playing as Tintin :-)
(53) Pheel
Nov 13th, 2010 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Were you from the logia that tried to bomb Gral Zapata? ”
Hmmmmm.
More like one of Oesterheld's “Snow” survivors...........
54 Think
Nov 13th, 2010 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fighting the “Manos”...
:-)
Fleeing the “Malos”...
Nov 13th, 2010 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mostly :-)
51 Pheel
Nov 13th, 2010 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Tin Tin, I saw the loose connection.
I just think that having your retort based on a children's comic strip storyline which in itself has a made up history seems to have some parallels with current Argentine Government policy, don't you think?
However, apart from your barbs and my counters, which is the basis of all communication on this forum, I do respect you on a personal level in having such a wide literary experience, most impressive.
Anyone that reads Tin Tin and the works of Tolkien can't be all bad.
OMG Mr. Pheel
Nov 14th, 2010 - 12:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a great “honour”
Now you are being “respected” by a Brutish poster (Wireless) that, in his own words, wishes to piss on the Argentinean tombs at Darwin on the basis of the cartoons and books you surely read before you where ten…..
Cuack! The British lose everytime they comment on something. They're dogs eating their own tails haha People, come up with something true, not that “We want to stay British” crap. You're like Elisa Carrió lol
Nov 14th, 2010 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0”DNFTT
Nov 14th, 2010 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The British lose everytime they comment on something”
Nov 14th, 2010 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, exactly..Have we lost?
What, exactly..Have we lost?
Nov 14th, 2010 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lately?
Irak war, Afghanistan war, support over Malvinas, most of your gold reserves, aircraft carriers and balls too...:-)
The Brits Are Losing Their Balls
http://weirdnews.about.com/b/2009/03/26/the-brits-are-loosing-their-balls.htm
the Argentineans never had balls in the first place. overwhelming odds and they STILL lost. their much vaunted “marines”ran like frightened rabbits when they heard that the Ghurkkas were coming. and the Ghurkkas are perfect gentlemen. l knew a lot of them in Singapore
Nov 14th, 2010 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 062 Marcos
Nov 14th, 2010 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can´t agree with your point about the balls.
If next year they play like yesterday against Australia, with up to 15 phases of play without loosing the ball, they will be a very hard opponents in the same classification zone at NZealand. Our boys are too young yet.
:-(
@ Isolde #63 what your Kingdom did was like not having balls at all, or even worse, it was like having ovaries instead of balls. Calling thousands of people and paying them some money to fight your wars, it's not like you have balls.UK's cowardice was and is always exemplary, but even so, Argentina did a pretty good job, don't you think? 260 British killed during the conflict, it's a pretty good mark for a country fighting against many countries. Who told ya about Argentine marines running away from the Ghurkkas? Maggie? Isolde, don't feel superior, woman, things change, all things but the roots of the UK's cowardice runs deep, and it won't chage, ever. It's about honour, it's about being men, it's about being free, it's about being Argentino, something you don't know what it is. You can brag about how much you want to stay British, that's rubbish, we don't care about it, you're intruders and you're full of garbage. We were there before you, but as usual, your country stole those islands from us, simply because that's what your bloody Kingdom has been doing for centuries. You're aliens, and you'll have to leave, your women, your men, your children, all of you. Your Kingdom, Isolde, is a nation of cowards and greedy people. You've been doing this for a very long time, not only to my country. I was reading about Lakshmibai, Rani of Jhansi fighting against the British invaders, she died, but she died fighting for freedom
Nov 14th, 2010 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.copsey-family.org/~allenc/lakshmibai/index.html
Get this into your wacky head for good, woman, those islands that you call home, belong to Argentina, they are: Islas Malvinas Argentinas. We will never forget what you are, and what you did. We will never stop until you get out of our land. The war was a big mistake, as all wars are, and we'll get our islands back without fighting another war. We are not like you British. But we will never gorget.
http://www.copsey-family.org/~allenc/lakshmibai/index.html
63 lsolde , Gurkha veterans return their military medals in protest :-)
Nov 14th, 2010 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/2964471/Gurkha-veterans-return-their-military-medals-in-protest.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/2964471/Gurkha-veterans-return-their-military-medals-in-protest.html
66
Nov 14th, 2010 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Out of date and touch
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/5361319/Home-Secretary-announces-Gurkhas-can-stay-in-Britain.html
@ 67 Stick, every comment that you post is a punch in the very face of the UK. Will you ever stop? The Gurkhas are poor people, stick, how can you feel so proud of using people to kill other people? That's what the world knows about the British cowardice. Stick, you are a really ignorant person, I don't know if it is because you're not a free man, you're Scottish, remember? But you are ignorant, you say things that are absolutely a nonsense. Who cares if your government say the Gurkhas can stay? You have to pay them for their service. They served you people, pay them for that.
Nov 14th, 2010 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When one reads the comments posted by Brits and their servants, one comes to the conclusion that these people have been reading science fiction. The UK has been killing thousands of people around the world, for centuries, stealing and killing, but they feel proud about it lol. If that is not insanity I don't know what insanity is. Even Scottish people, lol, after all these years of English domination, they still are like good dogs, maybe one day, they will learn the importance of fighting for freedom, and they will fight and win to get their freedom and lives back. Anyway, what really matters here is getting back our Islas Malvinas Argentinas.
Apparently Gurkhas are not the only ones getting rid of British medals
Nov 14th, 2010 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0RAF Harrier flying ace sells his war honours
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/RAF+Harrier+flying+ace+sells+his+war+honours%3B+Pilot+was+only...-a0168458394
how can you feel so proud of using people to kill other people?
Nov 14th, 2010 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Heavy casualties caused by the constant civil wars and foreign wars: Blacks formed a disproportionate part of the Argentine army in the long and bloody War of Paraguay (1865–1870), in which the loss of lives on both sides were high. The official historiography maintains that this resulted in the disappearance of the black population, while the genocide claims contend that the disproportionate recruitment was intentional
“the disappearance of the black population”
Nov 14th, 2010 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps because slavery was abolished in 1813, 20 years earlier than UK , who by the way kidnapped, tortured and raped by the millions from their native land in Africa to be sold all over the world.
The armies of Independence recruited large numbers of slaves that existed in the territories conquered in the realists, offering them freedom in exchange. Many of them included the Battalion No. 8, which was part of the line of shock at the Battle of Chacabuco which recorded large numbers of casualties.
Nov 14th, 2010 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ stick up your junta # 72
Nov 14th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stick, do you read what we are posting for you or ar you an autist? Will you ever stop defending what is undefendable? Man, the UK is a nation of imperialist killers and mass murder that cannot be topped. Go read your history books please, stop being a fool for God's sake! History is already written, you can't change it back, stick, you killed, you stole, you betrayed! You've been doing the same for centuries.
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/asylumbrit35.12905.html
No matter how hard you try to say that other countries are worse than the UK, your bloddy United Kingdom cannot be topped, stick! Keep trying, stick.
“Only a return to national sovereignty in the United States, and the creation of an alliance of that sovereign United States with other nations—Russia, China, and India, for starters—capable of defeating this ancient evil, which today is known as the British Empire, can avert this catastrophe in progress.”
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/asylumbrit35.12905.html
Poems of an Autist - stick
http://www.newzimbabwe.com/pages/asylumbrit35.12905.html
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=53287
Nov 14th, 2010 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But Robledo expressed the fear that many respondents might prefer not to claim their African ancestry, which still bears a stigma in society because of lack of sensitivity and awareness, he said.
stick up, Argentina's Government, is the only Argentine government that worries about immigrants, indigenous people, etc. etc. etc. You can say nothing against this government that proves your point. People come to Argentina, especially blacks, this government has been legalizing thousands of illegals. That's one of the reasons why so many people say this government is a Populist government.
Nov 14th, 2010 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These shantytowns are also euphemistically called asentamientos (“settlements”) or villas de emergencia (“emergency villages”). In most of Argentina, the unqualified word villa usually refers to a villa miseria.
Nov 14th, 2010 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The villas draw people from several backgrounds. Most of them are migrants, coming from neighbouring countries (especially Paraguay and more recently Bolivia). Others are local citizens who have fallen from an already precarious economic position. In most cases, of course, the villa miseria is populated by the children and grandchildren of the original settlers, who have been unable to raise their economic status.
Newsflash! There are Villas Miseria in Argentina!
Nov 14th, 2010 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Irak war: no. A planned withdrawal is not a defeat. We left because it was wrong for us to be there, it was PLANNED.
Nov 15th, 2010 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Afghanistan war: How have we lost a war we are currently in, A defeat is exactly what Argentina had in 1982, you was forced to leave, we have not had such an event in over 50 years.
support over Malvinas: no
most of your gold reserves: i agree.
“The Gurkhas are poor people, stick, how can you feel so proud of using people to kill other people?”
The Gurkhas are not forced to join, they choose to.
Xbox, I love the idea of the Scots 'fighting for their freedom'; fighting whom? I can't be bothered wading through all the hot air to find out if someone pointed out to you that the United Kingdom is exactly that, originally united under a Scottish king.
Nov 15th, 2010 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've also noticed that you don't hear much from the Welsh nationalists these days, since they got their own parliament and the idea that they could have independence if they really wanted it.
78 Zethee , Irak, UK left Irak in a hurry and using the back door.
Nov 15th, 2010 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Afghanistan:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/4581009/War-in-Afghanistan-could-be-lost-by-summer.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/4581009/War-in-Afghanistan-could-be-lost-by-summer.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/4581009/War-in-Afghanistan-could-be-lost-by-summer.html
I don't like al-Qaeda and their black turban crazy friends however facts are facts.
Who supports UK on the Malvinas dispute? Nobody.
@ Monty69 79
Nov 15th, 2010 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love that you love the idea, because Scots love it too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qr1Jh3d-Yw
Eat it!
“ ... Who supports UK on the Malvinas dispute? Nobody....”
Nov 15th, 2010 - 07:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really ... bit of surprise that we've still got them then! What colour is the sky in your world xbrain ?? :-)
Does that UK need support Marcos?
Nov 15th, 2010 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway unless you're talking about using an alliance to attempt to take the Falklands by military incursion “support” doesn't mean much, say nation X supports your claim, how does this help you? Just like all the endless historical blah blah it's makes no difference.
The situation is quite simple, Argentina and the UK both claim sovereignty of the Falklands, there is no compromise possible for either party, it's sovereignty or nothing...so...deadlock, and the status quo...the Falklands remain British.
:-)
The UK is a bankrupt Kingdom, Nation, whatever they are. It's about time you were left alone by your Mother Land in The Falklands. It is just a matter of time before the UK says “Here they are, take them”.
Nov 15th, 2010 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Does that UK need support Marcos?”
Nov 15th, 2010 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes.
“Ditch the FalklandsIt makes no economic or political sense to hang on to the Falklands, but no one will face the truth”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
”So to the south Atlantic. What does it cost to keep an airport open, defended by four Typhoons, three radar stations, assorted artillery units, with 1,000 or so military on the ground? Don't forget the golf course and swimming pool before you add a handy destroyer, a couple of patrol ships and a submarine somewhere. Don't forget absurdly long supply lines, either.
Hanging on to the Falklands is a drain on resources without end. It is also a substantial irritant to good relations with South America (not to mention an Obama administration and a UN that shudders over colonial pasts)”
frustrating aint it Marcos LOL
Nov 15th, 2010 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ahh yes, the good old 'give it up' Guardian....oh and a column as well...marvelous.
Nov 15th, 2010 - 06:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're clutching at straws if you're relying on little ego-trip opinion pieces such as Peter Preston writes to support your fantasies.
BTW did you notice the overall trend of comments on that column.....
:-)
WestisBest “ did you notice the overall trend of comments on that column.....”
Nov 15th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes... :-)
“London 57 We are broke and I do believe though we should be handing the rights back of the Falkland Islands to Argentina. What right do we have a on these islands that our over 8000 miles from us.”
Ditch the Falklands It makes no economic or political sense to hang on to the Falklands, but no one will face the truth”
Millions of unemployed brits agree.
stick, it's not frustrating at all. How could it be frustrating? We are talking about our land. We're just introducing you to the facts. We'll never stop until the UK's government stops being a coward and decides to talk about the islands with our government. No matter how long it takes, stick, we have all the calmness and the patience, we are persistent and consistent in our claim.
Nov 15th, 2010 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stick, don't take it so seriously, this is nothing but a forum, we cannot decide over anything, those who decide are politicians :)
“We'll never stop until the UK's government stops being a coward and decides to talk about the islands with our government”
Nov 15th, 2010 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then you'll never stop.
The human rights of British citizens is not debatable.
C'mon Marcos, I said the overall trend, you quoted one of the few comments that went against that trend....Millions of unemployed Brits??? Nah.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 01:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0well,well.well xbox, did l touch a raw nerve.? l can understand you being bitter & frustrated but for what, they are NOT your islas malvinas at all, they are OUR Falklands & we mean to keep them. and as for us being a nation as you describe, well every country has their cowards and rogues(even dare l say it, gasp Argentina!!)no doubt we have them too but we also have our heroes. l can't change history. l think you'll find a lot that went on in lndia was oppotunism in lndias weakness and missrule. the British did a lot of good in lndia, stability, railways, trade, suppression of the Thugs, abolition of Suttee(which l now believe is coming back!)stable currency, education etc etc. l could go on but whats the point. l don't really care what you think of us. the thing that gets up your latin-macho nose is that you are NOT going to get the Falklands, one reason being that they are NOT yours.& yes your marines DID abandon their positions & retreat to Stanley when they found out that the Gurkhas(thank you for giving me the correct spelling)were going to attack them. please try to settle down, punch a wall or something(don't kick your dog!).Adios
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Is the 60 million strong British bulldog really being wagged by its miniscule Falklands tail- or more precisely a hair on the tail, given that there are only 3,140 Falklanders? In the 21st Century, can a European power hide its colonial claim to the oil resources under the sea bed of South America by sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists?
Nov 16th, 2010 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain must go, and in the end it will have to go; the issue is one of how and when.
“sheltering behind the 'rights' of its colonists”
Nov 16th, 2010 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina was colonized. If colonists don't have rights how can you claim rights over people who supposedly don't have rights when you don't have any rights..
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it's not the same at all Zethee, as a colonial nation you only have rights if you slaughtered the native population then stab your homeland in the back by declaring yourselves independant...two wrongs do make a right in 'RG logic'
Nov 16th, 2010 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Falkland Islands don't fit that model though, no genocide, no treachery.....clearly unaceptable.
Yeah, they always go on about how our evil colonists 200 years ago came and removed there population, such an evil thing to do.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Doesn't matter that they slaughtered the native population of the place they call home to live there.
95 West
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”it's not the same at all Zethee, as a colonial nation you only have rights if you slaughtered the native population then stab your homeland in the back by declaring yourselves independant...two wrongs do make a right in 'RG logic' Wrong! You don't need to slaughter anything to be a colonial community? What are you? Community of communities? A community of nations? Britain's not even a nation. Scotland is a nation, England is a nation, North Ireland is a nation, Wales is nation. Britain is a colonial (whatever), your government just changed the words from Colony to Overseas territory. Just to protect yourselves from being accused of colonialism. You are ignoring everything about colonialism, even more you ignore Britain's history. Go read facts.
When one thinks about the fact that law is in many ways, something like a “made in England” product, one starts to understand many things.
They don't like education.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8127452/Britain-is-a-nation-of-school-and-college-drop-outs.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8127452/Britain-is-a-nation-of-school-and-college-drop-outs.html
L'Angleterre est une nation de boutiquiers.
—Napoleon I
-River vs Boca-
“Britain's not even a nation. Scotland is a nation, England is a nation, North Ireland is a nation, Wales is nation”
Nov 16th, 2010 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite wrong, actually. England, Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland are all countires, by definition:
“A country is a geographical region considered to be the physical territory of a sovereign state, or of a smaller, or former, political division within a geographical region.”
The United Kingdom, is a nation. By Definition:
“Is a group of people who share culture, ethnicity and language, often possessing or seeking its own independent government.”
One of the funny points about Argentina's claim is that they view colonialism as a evil “beast” of sorts. When in fact the end of colonialism was only brought upon us because it violated Human rights, specificly the right to Self Determinaion.
If a country, or group of people(Like the islanders) Choose to have a government overseas, thats democracy.
Likewise, if Argentina was to have won the 1982 war, Argentina would now be a colonial “power”.
Slightly hypocritical.
A group of people who share culture, ethnicity and language? Are you sure you share all that? How can you be a nation of many nations that are countries and nation by themselves and most of those people in those nations want to be independent of England? lol English always plaing fair lol Are you an English or Scottish or Welsh or Irish or what? English colonies, that's what they are, like when India was a colony, Hong Kong, etc etc etc uff. Unless you are English you can't be happy being what you are, anyway.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can we be a colonial power when those islands belong to Argentina? West, haven't you read Britain's history through the years? Don't you think that you are the one being a hypocrite?
boy you never change do you.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Great britain is different from some other countrys in the respect that
they all came together to form th UK.
It does not matter how, the fact remains that we are united, and have a proud history, can Argentina say the same with honesty ?
@Xbox
Nov 17th, 2010 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't call you a hypocrite you tool.
“You don't need to slaughter anything to be a colonial community”
Indeed you don't, but you lot did in colonising your territory, I do find it most strange how you (the colonials) can somehow throw off all the genocide and theft of your past merely by becoming independant.
“your government just changed the words from Colony to Overseas territory. Just to protect yourselves from being accused of colonialism.”
If that's what you beleive, if you cannot aknowledge any difference between a colony and an ocerseas territory then there can be nothing incorrect in the saying that you too changed what you called yourselves to protect youselves from being accused of colonialism.
Actually maybe I will call you a hypocrite.
Says who, Xbox, apart from you?
Nov 17th, 2010 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are existing in a fantasy world, The islands clearly don't belong to Argentina. You'd like them to, for reasons I still cannot even begin to comprehend, but no, they don't. We're here and you're not. Therefore, if you forced us to become part of Argentina, you would be colonisers. And oppressors. In fact, we would most definitely be able, then, to exercise our right to self determination under the UN.
We might not be all that different from the rest of the UK, but we sure as hell don't have anything in common with you.
Why don't you just grow up and find something worthwhile to worry about?
100 briton , “Great britain is different from some other countrys in the respect that
Nov 17th, 2010 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0they all came together to form th UK.
It does not matter how, the fact remains that we are united..”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3636385/The-Scots-destroyed-the-Union-so-vote-SNP.html
Oh for pitys sake Marcos! It's another column, when are you going to get it into your thick head that these are merely opinion pieces that are written to stir up comment.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 09:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sheesh....when are you going to post something interesting?
58 Think
Nov 17th, 2010 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, I did not suggest that I or any Islander would urinate on your war dead, I suggested the urinal be built at Darwin for use by foreign visitors, and that an explanation of where the effluent was drained put in Spanish on a sign above said urinal.
The only funny part of the idea would be the reaction of the Spanish speaking visitors reading the sign in 'mid-stream' as it were, rather than the actual pissing on war dead; but then this is 'sick' humour, or 'black' humour, and as you don't any sense of humour by any stretch of the imagination, you wouldn't understand.
I do note however that you have misrepresented what I suggested, as you misrepresent everything else, by suggesting that I wanted to do a sixteen thousand mile round trip to visit Darwin to urinate on dead Argentines.
Frankly Think I wouldn't entertain such an act to assist you if you were on fire.
@ West 101
Nov 17th, 2010 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok West, but things won't change until the day Britain and Argentina talk about the issue (is there a synonym for “issue”, issue makes me wanna puke), you should recognize that. Anyway, there are those islands, we say they belong to us, Britain says the islands are British. You don't acccept our position, we don't accept your position. Will things ever be ok? How will it happen? Do you have any idea? The only thing to do here is come to an agreement. I know what you say “there's nothing to talk about”, but I can't see any other way out besides talking about the sovereignty of the islands. Why the heck did Britain, in this case, have to travel around the globe colonizing countries, islands, etc. etc.? This is England's greedy monarchy's fault, don't tell me it's not, they started it all, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, India, etc. etc. etc. England always wanted these lands to be British colonies. We got rid of the Spaniards, and the English, but they took the islands and this is what is all about, now everything is a mess. English monarchy, French monarchy, Spanish monarchy, always greedy, always needy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np1iAzNtEQE
“Ok West, but things won't change until the day Britain and Argentina talk about the issue”
Nov 17th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fine, we're happy with the situation. It's Argentina who wants thing's to change.
“I can't see any other way out besides talking about the sovereignty of the islands”
Then we won't talk about it.
“Why the heck did Britain, in this case, have to travel around the globe colonizing countries, islands, etc. etc.?”
You scorn our colonisational history while having one yourself. At the time, everyone was doing it. Why did france do it? Why did spain? Why did all of Europe?
“We got rid of the Spaniards”
Very true, that was your CHOISE. Argentina's own right to Self Determination.
The islanders choose to keep ties to the UK.
@ 107 Zethee
Nov 17th, 2010 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were a colony, you smart ass!!!! And our people never accepted that, that's why they kicked those Spaniards out of our land, and the English invaders too.
Everyone was invading countries, stealing and killing people, so that justifies it, right, Zethhee?
I scorn your colonizational history? It's not only History, those overseas territories are still colonies, they just changed the name but those are still colonies. I don't scorn anything, that is Britain's history, you can't change it. England has been always a nation of deceivers. I'm sorry that you are English, but that's true.
Self-determination my nuts.
A Queen, an English governor, and self-determination. Sure. A pretty good mix. You say they choose, lol, they can't choose anything else, simply because they don't rule the islands, London does it. If you search and read the internet you find that not every English person is short-sighted as you are Zethee, that's good, I believe.
Remember the Chagos Islands, the Turks and Caicos Islands? Just to name a few. Don't talk to me about justice, self-determination, international law, crap and more crap coming out of your mouth Zethee. LIAR! Those people living in Malvinas, are British, how the hell can you call that self-determination when those people are British? They can't stop being British.
“The islanders choose to keep ties to the UK” Like they can do something about it, right? lol There's nothing else they can do, because they are born British people and they must obey and do everything London tells them to do, that's why the governor is an English puppet. Thank god tonight my girlfriend will make me forget about all your idiocy that knows no bounds ;)
Tomorrow you can tell me more about self-determination buddy.
see what you've done Zethee? l think xbox is going to have a heart attack. such energy! if we could harness it we could throw our generator away! he must have an understanding girlfriend, poor woman.......
Nov 18th, 2010 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0but then we don't have to care what he thinks, thats his problem.....sorry Zethee but l just can't help myself-----hey xbox! in case you haven't heard, the Falklands belong to us & you will NEVER get them. please stop being estupido & go away!
“We were a colony, you smart ass!!!! And our people never accepted that, that's why they kicked those Spaniards out of our land, and the English invaders too.”
Nov 18th, 2010 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you RGs are all 100% native South Americans are you? what a load of bullshit, I always find the hypocrisy of some ex-colonies incredible, think about it Xblox. You changed your allegiance, that's all you did, that doesn't wipe out your bloody past and give you moral high ground just because you think it should, you didn't throw off Spanish sovereignty for any moral or ethnic reason, you threw it off because you wanted to steal your soveriegn states colony from them, nothing will change that no matter how you dress it up.
We on the other hand haven't changed our allegiance nor do we (the Falkland Islanders) have anything to be ashamed of in our history in the Falklands, we are British patriots, you are murderous, Spanish traitors. Anyone with their eyes open can see this.
108 xbarilox:
Nov 18th, 2010 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were a colony, you smart ass!!!!
Any islander will tell you the same thing.
“Everyone was invading countries, stealing and killing people, so that justifies it, right, Zethhee?”
No, but if it didn't happen we wouldn't be having this conversation now, would we?
We can go through history as much as you like, no countrys history is clean. And i'll admit ours is rather bloody.
What matters now is that the world is moving on, the world generally agrees that all humans deserve rights(Human Rights) one of which is the right to choose your own government(Self Determination) and we will allow the islanders this right.
We will not allow you to take the islands human rights from the islands. That is why there will be no discussions.
“lol, they can't choose anything else, simply because they don't rule the islands, London does it”
That's a lie. Both the Falklanders and gibraltar have been given referendums, if they choose to move away from the UK, they would be allowed to. If they asked for a referendum now they would get one, if they decided to join Argentina they would be allowed to, THEY have the power to choose there future, not us, not you.
“how the hell can you call that self-determination”
Maybie you should google the word, Argentina especially seems to not understand what the word means. It's not an anti colonial term coined.
The right of Self Determination is essentualy the right to vote, every nation has it. Every time you vote in Argentina you are accessing your right to Self Determination. The Islanders choose the UK in there referendum therefore they are determining themselves.
Its that book again, The world according to Argentina, lol
Nov 18th, 2010 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Isolde. Stop being a veggie, that will solve all your problems ;)
Nov 18th, 2010 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 110 “we are British PATRIOTS, you are murderous, Spanish traitors.” I do think Riquelme must leave Boca as soon as possible.
@111 Zethee If I think about you being a liar, I have to admit that you are not, you just believe that things are what you think they are.
“if they decided to join Argentina they would be allowed to” Man, please, stop it, that was the bestest joke ever haha You're one crazy mofo but at least you're being sincere. I can respect your ideas, but I don't see things the same way you do, things from my place look completely different, no way we can see things the same way, at least not now. Anyway, time will tell.
“if they decided to join Argentina they would be allowed to” Man, please, stop it, that was the bestest joke ever haha You're one crazy mofo but at least you're being sincere.”
Nov 18th, 2010 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All overseas territorys are free to conduct a referendum if they should wish to leave the UK, Gibraltar has held atleast two and if they decided to leave they would be allowed to. Many of our old territorys have been allowed to leave the UK, pretty much a quater of the globe.
hello xblox, l have very few problems but l think that you have many. you really should calm down. just remember the Falklands are ours. please try to remember it. hope this helps
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