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UK/France have not considered carrier’s defence of Falklands: “not necessary”
There have been no discussions between Britain and France on whether aircraft carriers could be sent to defend the Falkland Islands, United Kingdom Armed Forces Minister Nick Harvey said. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThe article fails to note that France has its own interests in South America which it would also wish to defend if such became necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Guyana
Nov 16th, 2010 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0France also believes that the Malvinas belong to Argentina.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There have been no discussions with the French government on the possible deployment of aircraft carriers to the Falkland Islands because we have not seen this as necessary.(because will never happen)
“ ... France also believes that the Malvinas belong to Argentina ...”
Nov 16th, 2010 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really?? Evidence please :-)
“France also believes that the Malvinas belong to Argentina”
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect. France, along with 27 other countries (including Spain) signed the Lisbon Treaty, confirming the Falkland Islands as British territory.
Wishful thinking Marcos, just because they call them the îles Malouines does not mean they think the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Step by step we're making our way back to Las Islas Malvinas. Patiently, persistently.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0In your dreams xbox!
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Step by step we're making our way back to Las Islas Malvinas. Patiently, persistently.”
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0By sulking in BA and and whining to anyone who'll pretend to take you seriously while keeping your fingers crossed that by some miracle the UK decides to 'give' the Falklands to you.
:-))
Hold your breath and read this; them we talk about miracles; more voices talking.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/2010/11/16/the-falklands-%e2%80%93-time-to-get-real/
Wow, we'd better watch out, I'm extremely concerned to read such an article in a mature and wide reaching publication like the expressandstar.......here's another article from that quality paper:
Nov 16th, 2010 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2010/11/16/ufo-alert-has-the-dudley-dorito-returned/
:-)
Bilious. Did you take the trouble to read the comments from readers. Four comments. Four in favour of retaining and defending the Islands and Falklanders. So, just one idiot journalist.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0return the islands, they are paranoid ends
Nov 16th, 2010 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@12
Nov 16th, 2010 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well you've convinced me Ant, I've never heard it put so eloquently.....
9 Billy Hayes, Every day there are more British asking themselves: What are we doing down there anyway?
Nov 16th, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why should our defence policy be skewed to protect 2,000 people on a group of islands 8,000 miles away? We fought a just war in 1982 to throw out the Argentinians. But Argentina today is a democracy. Hong Kong carried on much the same after the Brits pulled out in 1997; the Falklands would do the same.
If they moan that they want to remain British, we can point out that we Brits are not as British as we would like to be, thanks to the EU, and why should they live in some 1950s Surrey time-warp for ever?”
Read more: http://www.expressandstar.com/blogs/2010/11/16/the-falklands-%e2%80%93-time-to-get-real/#ixzz15SbGr0od
“Which is why Britain should now be drawing up the Falkland Islands Treaty which, 40 years from now on January 1, 2051, would cede the islands to Argentina. If the islanders wish to re-settle in the UK, we could accommodate them easily.” Awesome article.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......from the Express and Star, that quality West Midlands local newspaper. Well that certainly told us; opinionated of Tipton doesn't much care for the Falklands :-(
Nov 16th, 2010 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I'm much more worried about the Dudley Dorito!! Hilarious.
I'm going to subscribe to Express & Star, what with the Dudley Dorito and the equally amusing 'time to get real article' it could be a good for a regular giggle.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
You should subscribe also to the Guardian and many other British and American newspaper that have similar adds :-)
Nov 16th, 2010 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ditch the FalklandsIt makes no economic or political sense to hang on to the Falklands, but no one will face the truth”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/nov/14/falklands-economic-crisis-politics-argentina
When these British post their comments it looks like they think they can take decisions lol It's all about politics, people, the UK's government will decide what's best for the whole United Kingdom, not for the Kelpers only, so calm down! Let the politicians do their job.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK's government will decide what's best for the whole United Kingdom, not for the Kelpers only, so calm down! Let the politicians do their job.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, look after the Falklands and all that lovely oil
@18 & 19,
Nov 16th, 2010 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For people who purport to take free press newspapers so seriously you both do need to learn the difference between News Storys & Columns. News is reporting of events that either have happened or can be projected to happen. Columns are a soapbox for journalists to voice an opinion, often controversial to stir up comment.
When I read a proper news story about the Falklands being handed over to Argentina (rather than speculation, opinion or propaganda) then I'll get worried. I've not seen one yet.
:-)
Alright, Xbox, find me a quotation from a UK politician that says anything other than 'We support the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination', or some variation thereof. I definitely trust the politicians to do their jobs.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are smart (or intelligent sorry my wrong english) for me a good alternative: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article7043099.ece or too ICJ go to work, bye 5:00 p.m.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who gives a flying Dorito what Matthew Parris thinks? He isn't even an MP any more.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi All
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can we try to stop repeating the same arguments on every story that comes up. it is not going to change the fact that the Islanders wishes are paramount and the status quo will remain (and all being well I get to retire early due being involved in a potential new oil province).
There is only one publication worth subscribing to: http://www.whiskymag.com/
Now tonight I am sat here with a drop of Gentleman Jack which I picked up at Duty Free in Terminal 1 of Dubai International Airport.
Monty69
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cameron has the same ideas as Mr. Parris. He's just waiting for the right moment, and then PM Cameron will speak out on the Malvinas/Falklands issue.
Parris is Mad as a Malvinist
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In his article for The Times on 27 December 2007, Parris took a strong line against cyclists, beginning his column with “A festive custom we could do worse than foster would be stringing piano wire across country lanes to decapitate cyclists”,[10] going on to denounce cyclists on a number of grounds, particularly their alleged propensity for littering.
Please, dear islanders and others, stop recycling the same ideas ad nauseam, you should tell something new, the thought of “We are free to decide, we want to stay British” is ludicrous. You can decide NOTHING. The UK's government decides, your politicians decide what's best for the whole UK, not only for you islanders. That's why they've been elected, to make the best decisions, based on reality, not the naïve wishes of 3 thousand islanders lol
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Cameron has the same ideas as Mr. Parris. He's just waiting for the right moment, and then PM Cameron will speak out on the Malvinas/Falklands issue.”
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....and where did you get that little gem from? crystal ball?
Parris the Malvinists champion (quite mad dont ya know)
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article3097464.ece
stick attacks the messenger... you can't say a person is mad because that man, in this case, presents another point of view on the Malvinas/Falklands issue.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0presents another point of view
Nov 16th, 2010 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What decapitate cyclists?
Mind you,The Argies had a habit of throwing their own people out of planes, Parris and Argies of on thought
I'm still waiting, Xbox. So far all you've come up with is the faintly creepy claim to be inside the secret thoughts of David Cameron. If you actually do know what he's thinking, by telepathy or any other means, I suggest you share it with your friends at the Grauniad, they'd love a scoop of this magnitude.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you have no idea, other than a rather pathetic notion of intimidating and scaring us. Don't 'Dear Islander' me, I know it's meant to be patronising, but it's also feeble.
Why are you so constantly and desperately repeating “the islands are British” lol Do you know something that we don't know?
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know something that we don't know
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep
http://www.falklandislands.com/contents/view/137/about-falklands/history/falklands-history-&-culture
I knew that already, stick, it's the same pseudohistory of Brits staying on a far off island, claiming those islands are British. Give us something new that we don't know :)
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are you so constantly and desperately repeating “the islands are Argentine” lol Do you know something that we don't know?
Nov 16th, 2010 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We do, Zethee :) That's why they are Las Malvinas Argentinas. How do you call them? Falkland Islands, and what are you? British colonists :)
Nov 16th, 2010 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As apposed to Spanish colonists.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thing is, Xbox, to us it isn't a 'far off island', it's our home. And that appears to be something that you don't know.
Nov 16th, 2010 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know something that we don't know? Troutbeck (1936): The difficulty of position is that our seizure of the Falkland Island in 1833 was so arbitrary a procedure as judged by the ideology of present day. It is therefore not easy to explain our possesion without showing ourselves up as international bandits. Monty, your home is our land too.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is what it always comes down to in the end, isn't it. You say the Falklands are yours, I say no they're not. Seems like a hopeless situation to me. For you, that is. Whatever the rights and wrongs of what happened in 1833, we're here and we're not going anywhere.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have no problem admitting that whatever happened probably wouldn't be allowed now. So what? it was nearly 200 years ago. You can't put it right by doing a terrible wrong to us.
Ok Monty, together find the way, approach, talk, why do not try? seek the solution. I do not lose hope.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U_h5fyL-O4&feature=related
beef #25 ”Can we try to stop repeating the same arguments on every story that comes up. it is not going to change the fact that the Islanders wishes are paramount and the status quo will remain (and all being well I get to retire early due being involved in a potential new oil province).”
Nov 17th, 2010 - 03:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0You selfish drunk don't give a rat about the islanders nor to whom the islands belong to.
There is only one solution available .... the islander's decide their future. Simple ain't it :-)
Nov 17th, 2010 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rotted, You and your friends hide under the skirts of the islanders to cover up your out of date colonialism arrogant mentality.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0We say the islanders should decide for themselves. You want to decide for them. And you have the effing cheek to call us colonialist.
We're not hiding MoreCrap ... the islanders have the choice ... after all, we won't be letting go of South Georgia or the South Sandwich Islands. Why should we? There is no other realistic claim to them and they act as our gateway to our Antartic possessions (that Treaty wont last forever:-).
Nov 17th, 2010 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rotted, Yes the penguins will welcome you and all the brits escaping the collapse of your “union” to their 100 degrees below enviroment.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.debtbombshell.com/
41 Malvinense
Nov 17th, 2010 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Do you know something that we don't know? Troutbeck (1936): The difficulty of position is that our seizure of the Falkland Island in 1833 was so arbitrary a procedure as judged by the ideology of present day. It is therefore not easy to explain our possesion without showing ourselves up as international bandits. Monty, your home is our land too.”
None of the above is relevant.
Aregntina gave up any claim it had to the Falklands when in 1850 the Argentina government ratified the conventions of friendship and settlement, which settled ALL differences between our two countries.
1850, hmmmm that comes after 1833 right?!
”Troutbeck (1936): The difficulty of position is that our seizure of the Falkland Island in 1833 was so arbitrary a procedure as judged by the ideology of present day. It is therefore not easy to explain our possesion without showing ourselves up as international bandits. ”
Nov 17th, 2010 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may have been by the ideology of the present day (1936), but not by the ideology of 1833. But since they were not Argentine territory at the time, it doesn't really matter.
What a bunch of Argentine tossers! One of those terms may nearly be redundant. After all, if you're a tosser you may not be an Argentine. However, if you are an Argentine you are undoubtedly a tosser.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Three choices for Argentina. (1) Shut up. (2) Take your claim to the ICJ. (3) Continue your illegal actions and be missiled back to the Stone Age.
I don't have a problem with any of them and, I suspect, neither does the rest of the world. Tired of listening to the whinges from the pram.
Spanish aggression in 1771 prompts a Peace Treaty with Britain which includes a Secret Clause, Britain leaves in 1776 but maintains its Sovereign Claim, Spain administers its interests on the Islands from Buenos Aires, then transfers this administration to Montevideo, Spain then leaves in 1811 but maintains its Sovereign Claim, the Secret Clause waits for a Third Party to attempt to settle the Islands, Argentina (United Provinces), does so in 1832, Britain invokes the Secret Clause, expels the Argentine (United Provinces) Garrison, and takes full Sovereignty of the Islands.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Convention of Settlement 1850 stops all further whining and moaning within the Argentine (United Provinces) Government.
Argentina manufactures a false history from the 1930s onwards, political and educational indoctrination of the false history ever since, 1982 Argentina invades the Falkland Islands, Britain makes an appropriate military response and regains the Islands within 74 days.
Argentina whines and moans due to its populations continued indoctrination of a false history and flawed democracy, then talks on Oil & Gas Exploration, Argentina wants control of everything, the Islanders say no, Argentina decides to walk away hoping the Islanders won't have the ability to Explore for and Discover Oil & Gas.
The Islanders are more resourceful than the Argentine Government gave them credit, Argentina mounts an Economic blockade in everything but name, and makes wild decrees, one of which breaks the International Law of the Sea.
The Islanders find Gas, then Oil, Argentina watches enviously but can do nothing about it.
Awww bless.
Three choices for UK.(1)Quit drinking(2)Go home(3)
Nov 17th, 2010 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Continue your illegal actions and you will be so broke that your country will go back to the Stone Age.
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
@Legioni hahaha, before: In the same sense, the Treaty held in Buenos Aires between the United Provinces of Río de la Plata and Her Majesty the February 2, 1825 states in its preamble that “... Having been around for many years an extensive trade between the domains of His Britannic Majesty and the United Provinces Territories ... and in support of good understanding between His Majesty and the said provinces ... that their existing relationships, be formally recognized and confirmed by a treaty of friendship, commerce and navigation ... ”1825, hmmmm that comes after 1825 right?!
Nov 17th, 2010 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinense 1833: No, 1825 does not come after 1825, ya' dumb b*astard! Better luck next time!
Nov 17th, 2010 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@Pom, more education!!! This is all your argument? better luck next time!
Nov 17th, 2010 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should refrain from having children.
Nov 17th, 2010 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wireless - sure you're not mixing up the 1771 defeat of Spain with the Nootka Sound Agreement? There was a secret clause to Nootka, but I'm not aware of one with the Spanish backdown.
Nov 18th, 2010 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mervin - no idea what you're trying to say, or it's relevance?? However, as a barrister, I think you'll find that Pom has some insight into the legal aspects.
MoreCrap - you're a waste of space!
Monsieur Rotted, UK/France cooperation started very well today in Wembley, with a nice kick in your rear..Allez Les Bleus! ...and Argentina!
Nov 18th, 2010 - 01:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Zethee You should refrain from having children??? say for me?? I do not think
Nov 18th, 2010 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@59 Redhoyt
Nov 18th, 2010 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right, I misquoted the history from memory, and since read the original texts available from the Anglo-Spanish Agreement of 1771 and Nootka Sound Convention of 1790.
The Anglo-Spanish Agreement of 1771 preserved the Sovereign rights of both Britain and Spain to the Falkland Islands, and both countries maintained their rights by adhering to the conventions of the time, by leaving marks on the Islands during acts of retrenchment, which Britain did in 1776, and Spain did in 1811.
This was followed in 1790 by the Nootka Sound Convention, again between Britain and Spain, where the Secret Article removed the restriction of Article 4 if any other power did make an establishment south of 'the parts of those coasts already occupied' by Spain. Britain then secured its entitlement to form an establishment in the Falkland Islands, as soon as Argentina became established there, an entitlement that was backed up by its prior existing claim of Sovereignty made in 1765, and maintained by recognised convention of the time.
However you cut it, there's just no good news for Argentina :-)
Nov 18th, 2010 - 08:29 am - Link - Report abuse 061 Malvinense 1833: “I do not think”
Nov 18th, 2010 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0I conclusively agree.
I supose the question is, why Argentina has NOT tried to invade the falklands yet, perhaps It might have something to do with the fact that their navy is welded to the sea floor, the army has gone home, and the pilots dont want to meet the eurofighter. Might I suggest they forget about the falklands and consentrate on their own little problems ??lolol
Nov 18th, 2010 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 54. In your drunken dreams. Is there any chance that Argentina will become an honest, democratic country? Not in the next 100 years. And even then it will be touch and go. Best to write Argentina off as a country. It is just a grouping of neo-imperialist, colonialist, greedy, land-grabbing, mendacious, psychotic, greasy, slimy dago colonists with delusions of grandeur. Is there a solution? Yes, there is. Widespread Argentine self-immolation.
Nov 18th, 2010 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@66 argentine self-immolation, hahahahaha terrific, good humor, going to another topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBnlA9hLFcs&feature=related
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Nov 19th, 2010 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typhoon, have some grace! you have to understand that xbarilox and Argentina as a nation is a well educated nation, such a nation would never believe in homophobic remarks.
Nov 19th, 2010 - 03:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh..wait.
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