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Unasur ban‘huge negative impact’ on Falkland Islands?
“A HUGE negative impact on us,” is how one Falklands fishing company views the Union of South American Nations’ declared intention to close their ports to Falklands flagged vessels, or in their words, ‘the illegal flag of the Malvinas’. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“the illegal flag of the Malvinas” and its “FANTASY brit NAME”: falklands... nobody believes in this brit circus.
Nov 29th, 2010 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do :-)
Nov 29th, 2010 - 08:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They do :-)
Nov 29th, 2010 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.virginholidayscruises.co.uk/destinations/falkland-islands/
“Perhaps most importantly such an aggressive blanket ban would make it clear internationally that we face a tightening blockade aimed at destroying our economy.” Don't worry, Cuba has been facing a brutal blockade for decades, and I haven't heard your complaints. But I heard you say that this democratic clause will not cause any inconvenience to you, because the UK is a superpower, so why the complaints? Isn't the UK a superpower? No?
Nov 29th, 2010 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a question, is Ernestina Herrera de Noble working for Mercopress these days?
I love the irony of this closely following the 'democratic clause'! The thought processes involved must be simply amazing.
Nov 29th, 2010 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps they'll incorporate a dry-dock into the planned deep-water harbour for the islands. As with every other measure taken to strangle the Islanders, it will only serve to increase their self-sufficiency and independant will.
Of course it will:-)
Nov 29th, 2010 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And in the meantime we can all have a chuckle at the brazen hypocrisy of the 'democratic clause'.
And the fact that UK can and will give us military (and moral) support doesn't make you any less despicable Xbox. And it doesn't diminish our right to call you what you are; cowards and bullies.
Fantasy name?
Nov 29th, 2010 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What does the big sign read as you disembark at the Public Jetty in Stanley then? I'll give you a clue.....it's not Islas Malvinas.
;-)
“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction ... The chain reaction of evil — hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars — must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation”
Nov 29th, 2010 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Martin Luther King, Strength to Love
And another thing, Xbollox, I don't think Cuba is a very good example of a blockade making a population crumble. Do you see them giving up? Well do you????? Silly boy.
Nov 29th, 2010 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And does that mean you think the blockade of Cuba is right? Is the USA correct to do this????? Silly boy.....virtual slap...
flagging of a vessel can easily changed! Anyway the only reason Argentina does this kind of thing is to make themselves feel strong. If they ever decided to get involved in another fight we will see that argentine bravery involves running in the opposite direction with pants full of brown cake!
Nov 29th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i suppose picking on 3000 peaceful islanders makes up for what they lack in other departments!
the drill bit keeps turning!
@yaghan
Nov 29th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF!? then why do you continually threaten us? if it wasn't for Argentinas threatening behaviour there wouldn't be a British military presence here and we would be merely a tiny, peaceful island state off your coast so don't quote MLK at us you fucking hypocrite.
Monty69 I think that Mr Stuart Wallace can tell nothing about this Democratic clause, because the UK is a country that has been supporting the blockaed to Cuba. The UK and people like you think that the blocked to Cuba is the right thing to do. But you don't like this same thing done to you lol Isn't it ironic, that you support the U.S. in the blockade to Cuba but when this is done to you, you feel rejected and complain about it? lol South America is a free land, you are in South America, this is not Europe. Is that clear? It's even funnier, you, WestisBest, stick up your junta and other fake britons have been saying that this democratic clause will not cause any inconvenience to the UK, because the UK doesn't need anything from South America. Why are you so upset now? Do you need or do you not need? Isn't the UK a superpower? No? You'll be ok, you'll see. The UK is a superpower and don't need anything from Southamericans. Am I correct? And this is not a blockaed, this is a democratic clause, because Las Islas Malvinas son Argentinas, o sea, son parte de América del Sur :)
Nov 29th, 2010 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'South America is a free land, you are in South America, this is not Europe. Is that clear?'
Nov 29th, 2010 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't feel very free to me. In fact, no, not free at all. We would like to be free to have normal friendly relations with our neighbours. We would like to carry on having school exchanges and sporting encounters with our friends in Chile and Uruguay. We'd like to carry on trading with South American countries.
It's not a question of need; we can get everything we need from elsewhere. We'd just rather not.
In the meantime, you rotten little creep, repeat after me...
'this is a blockade, this is not a democratic clause, we are no better than criminals, we are not surprised that the Falkland Islanders despise us, and we aren't going to get anywhere as long as they do'
There- that wasn't hard was it.
“because the UK is a country that has been supporting the blockaed to Cuba. The UK and people like you think that the blocked to Cuba is the right thing to do”
Nov 29th, 2010 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Conservative leadership has called on President Obama to lift the half-century-old American blockade of Cuba, in an attempt to pressure the Communist regime to change its ways.
The islander's resolve hardens, and nothing else changes ..... a good time to decide upon that deep sea port I think :-)
Nov 29th, 2010 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“such a policy were to be implemented it would have the unfortunate effect of a significant loss of business for some South American ports “
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Haha the distorted view of this guy its amazing, sure sir the world will suffer the major recession due to this measure.
@Beef
“Argentina does this kind of thing is to make themselves feel strong”
We don’t feel we are.
“If they ever decided to get involved in another fight we will see that argentine bravery involves running in the opposite direction with pants full of brown cake!”
Don’t worry we never miss a good opportunity to have a good fight especially against the Brits.
You should know that better than anyone in the world.
Ask these guys if you have any doubts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9S0BLMmRnY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9S0BLMmRnY
: )
Of course it´s a good time for the deep port ; but if the cost of building a simple container park for Fipass costs more than 1 millon pounds and kelpers don´t know how to pay it; imagine a port...20 millons?? keep dreaming.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0“but if the cost of building a simple container park for Fipass costs more than 1 millon pounds and kelpers don´t know how to pay it”
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where do you hear that Billy?
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Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Billious - the deep water port has been under consideration for some time, just awaiting the final decision. This may help them make it.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Where do you hear that Billy?”
Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here, in Stanley, where do you live?? read the news if you don´t believe me.
lol, just another nail in the UK's economic coffin. Whether or not it kept Falklands, its still facing a decade of stagnation, and then default.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Milkshake - yeah, right lol
Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richest_countries
Read and despair :-)
You're facing decades of depression/stagnation.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt, have you been awake these last few months? Are you being serious about your own posts? Man, you are a joke hahaha
Nov 30th, 2010 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'll re-post this link too, because it's (IMF,WB,CIA)'s work:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richest_countries
When The UK is in first place, call us back. Hey, Redhoyt, don't forget you can edit this wiki and place the UK in first position ;)
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Nov 30th, 2010 - 03:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is an english only forum boys .... if you don't speak english don't bother.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Milkshake and Xbrain - even with all our troubles, we are way above Argentina. But then Argentines were never much good at dealing with the truth were they?
Seems to be that those “small nails” of ours are beginning to incommodate some people…… :-)
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0But don’t worry Britons!
Remember…..
South Americans are less than monkeys…
Some “macho” words and then they will surely return to their siesta…
They don’t mean “nothing”…
They can’t do “nothing”…..
They are “nothing”……
So…….
Don’t Worry….
Be Happy
You are quite right ... nothing to worry about. Just the usual wind and water.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the inconvenience appears to be being suffered by the ports that are losing business. I'm sure that they can make their feelings known, after all ... these countries claim to be democracies :-)
Not much note in the english press again .... it's as though no-one really notices?
we'll survive, we've gone through worse. better dust off & oil up my FN & get a bit of practise, wonder who l'll see through my sights first, South Africans or Brazilians with Argentineans leading from the rear. of course we love Argentina less and less each day. xbox, wipe your nose, you're dribbling again.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Here, in Stanley, where do you live?? read the news if you don´t believe me.”
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I do Billy, just don't recall that story, so where did you read it?
I suppose the other side of the coin is that the trade agreement that Mercosur wanted with the EU just got a little bit harder to obtain .... what comes around, goes around :-)
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nico - If you are so string then why are you unable to force your way of life onto a few islands right off your coast? The reason is you have neither the legal mandate or the military capacity to do so.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose you think you won in 1982? The only way Argentina won in 1982 was by the rapid collapse of your glorious dictator after his embarrassing spanking (which resulted in the deaths of many young fine Argentines). Thank you already greatfully received.
Your military is a mess of outdated kit and 2nd rate commanders as a result of chronic under funding. If you feel you have any military chance then I suggest you check yourself into the same place the Americans think CFK should go; the nut house.
(30) Cher Isolde
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0FN?
Didn’t you get your AUG bought with all that nice MoD money ?
Anyhow….
Hope you have something productive to do while you wait for us with your “best friend” on your lap…..
You could knit me a couple of thousand nice warm Cardigans ;-)
There was a story this week about both the container park and the Port Howard ferry terminal going over budget. No surprises there; every capital project goes over budget.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The bit about not knowing how to pay for it is made up. The budget is looking like showing a modest surplus this year. Our investments look like performing better than expected, and there is increased tax revenue from all the oil money sloshing around.
Of course, saving, paying taxes and balancing the books are probably alien concepts to most Argentines :-)
I notice, Billy, that you say 'here in Stanley'...local boy are you?
As for you Think, I'm not questioning your ability to be horrible and annoying, only whether you should. Well it's your karma pal. Not to mention your reputation. If you really want to be the South Atlantic equivalent of the blockade of Cuba, then go for it.
@34
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“You could knit me a couple of thousand nice warm Cardigans”
Is your military so badly equipped that you need to beg for kit now Think?
;-)
'Didn’t you get your AUG bought with all that nice MoD money ?'
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0No.
Things change. Sometimes change comes about through natural evolution, sometimes it is thrust upon you by circumstance. The Falklands has been in a quandry for years about how to build a home base for its highly successful fishing induatry, whilst competing with Punta Arenas and Montevideo providing low cost services.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here now is the answer, because they are denied to us, Falklands businesses will set up their own base, and increase the economic activity of the Islands from not only fishing but hydrocarbons too.
Good move UNASUR, thanks.
Well that its nice can you build good train facility and an underground and few tall glassed buildings with view to our cost too?
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we will wait until you become a little Hong Kong and then we will take over. More you build more we gain : )
Just a thought, Nicodummy.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have the Falklanders ever told you which minefields they DIDN'T remove?
“ ... and then we will take over ....”
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL .... well done NicebutDim ..... made me laugh that and from a nation that makes the Italians look brave :-)))
Nico - a pal of mine has an Argentine rifle dating to 1982. When he acquired it is was advertised as “one careless owner, never been fired”.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll take over will you Nicodin? and how will you manage that exactly? If your blockade is successful it'll merely force FIG and the local industry to get together and build the port facilities we need here and to set up trading and communication links with countries outside Unasaur, you'll have lost any hold you had on us (our reliance on South America) so short of military action I don't see what you'll be able to do to 'take over'. Own goal Nicodin :-)
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For nico to score an own goal he would need balls. He is like many other of the warmongering Argentines a coward with no balls for a fight. Nico is the kind of person who sees the sign “Post Office” and thinks it means “Toilet” or thinks a building requires an obligatory red cross to be painted on it. Thick as well as spineless.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another desyleak??
Nov 30th, 2010 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No news but 30% down.
Tallo-Ho and what not chaps! The oh so superior Brits that is now living under Sharia law. Give another 20 years and Brittianistan will emerge, and you are worried about the Falklands? The significance of the Unasur declaration is that Brittian will have to negotiate about the Malvinas or face losing and entire continents business. Colonialism is dead even when disguised as a so-called independant Falklands.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are, of course, many good reasons why Malvinas people that know about shipping and participate in this article, are worried about UNASUR’s “Denial of Services”
Nov 30th, 2010 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(No blockade! We never mentioned a blockade! Who has ever mentioned a blockade? Not us! Dreadful, ugly little word! Very bad karma :-)
GPS, transponder and Internet based tracking technology makes it to children play to positively identify and track any vessel calling in Malvinas and subsequently, politely and legally, ask them to keep away from our ports.
A Simple “Denial of Services”…………………………..................................
(No blockade! We never mentioned a blockade! Who has ever mentioned a blockade? Not us! Dreadful, ugly little word! Very bad karma :-)
But, of course, nobody can stop you building a new little Singapore in Malvinas……
(Ahhhh….. A Gin/Tonic on the Stanley Raffles…)
A bit unrealistic thou………………:-)
Billy - keep up. You need to learn what a tree shake is. DES now climbing back into the £1.13-1.14 bracket and climbing. If you want to play the invesment/speculation game then start some broader reading and look at volume of trades and not price movement.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We are not worried about the Falklands Perro ... they'll survive very well. A new deep sea port is already under consideration, maybe a dry dock facility can be built in. Even less reason to go to the south cone. With decent facilities, even the foreign fishery vessels won't go anywhere near you. Hey ho, your loss.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will not HAVE TO do anything. We do not HAVE TO do anything. As Think rightly says, you can do nothing! So why should we worry.
As for the make-up of our population - well we've always absorbed.... it's what has made us strong. 2000 years of history, and you who struggle to claim 200 think you can defeat us .......... dream on children!
Argentina is a joke!
“The significance of the Unasur declaration is that Brittian will have to negotiate about the Malvinas or face losing and entire continents business.”
Nov 30th, 2010 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How's that Pedro? you've only banned FI flagged vessels, I think you may find that that will not lose Britain and entire continents business. You need to get real, Unasaur is not going to sanction trade with the UK, the 'significance' of Unasaurs declaration is not much, a quite serious but temporary inconvenience to The Falkland Islands is all....and that's if your 'allies' actually enforce it, time will tell on that one Pedro.
:-)
Hey mates do you think that the Squatters can build something like this???? Um...
Nov 30th, 2010 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070929/IMG_2243.jpg
I really doubts the Chinese are superior I guess just by comparing what they have done and what the Squatters did in the Islands after 170 years.
Still looks like the land of sheep flat and full of wood thin shelters.
Umm... we have not luck even with the squatters.
I think that we will have to do a lot of work in the Island to make habitable to our standards and have same sort of civilization.
What do you think?
Sadly, Unasur appear to have chosen to pursue the illegal and unilateral Argentine policy of systematic economic, racial and political persecution of the Falklanders. Shame on them.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These actions are in direct breach of UN Charter Articles 73 and 74 and resolutions 1514(XV) and 2065(XX) and should cease immediately.
Argentine and Unasur are required by the UN General Assembly as UN members and their own votes for resolution 1514(XV) to refrain from repressive measures, i.e.:
“All repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples” shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.“
And:
”Immediate steps shall be taken...to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.”
No doubt the use of coercion by Argentina and fellow UNASUR members in direct defiance of resolution 1514(XV and Articles 73 & 74 shall be made clear to the UN Security Council, General Assembly and Committee of 24.
Truly shame on Argentina and Argentines.
Redhoyt 49. Your missing the point - as usual. Argentina's claims were isolated. Now the whole Unasur supports them. The heat is on. Do you honestly believe this is where it stops? Momentum is gaining slowly. As South America grows stronger and Britain/Europe weakens ( Who's next Portugal and Spain?) world politics change. Interesting times lie ahead. Never say never old chap. Once Britain twice shy.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(29) Hoyt
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here something in English for you, monolinguals.............
Directly from Reverend Moon own Newsagency...
(And one of Mercopress favourite sources)
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/11/29/Argentina-wins-wider-Falklands-blockade/UPI-82931291090581/
Hey mates do you think that the Squatters can build something like this???? Um...
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont know nicotine, but I am sure they can knock something up like this,with some Argie know how
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12Eg-T4mCIc
I thought you said it wasn't a blockade, Think.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@stick up your junta
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You always show your families properties in Villa 31. How many times I told you that your family its not Argie and are they squatters like you like you?
Our Standards are like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCokhBVUo4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQCokhBVUo4
Can you see the difference.
By the way Sticky what about your family in villa 31 its ok are they going to visit you soon?
Remember to stamp you passport we don’t want you or your family having problem in the custom service. How much for a kilo of ajo?
LOL @ Brittianstan comment ^^^ pedro, no joke, the #1 most used baby name in the UK this year was Mohammed.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stick up your junta and Villa 31, what a pair! Monty69 it's not a blokade, no matter what the Brits say. And besides, you are not British, why are you so worried about it?
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(56)
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only the Moonies, the Bennies and the Loonies call it a “blockade”.
For us, South Americans is just the exercising of our right to decide who do we accept as guests in our harbours.
No more... No less...
I.M.O. the International Maritime Organization – is the United Nations specialized agency with responsibility for the safety and security of shipping and the prevention of marine pollution by ships.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Supporting argie position: Brasil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Panamá, Chile, México, Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, Perú, España y Sudáfrica.
Supporting british side: cricri cricri
http://www.infobae.com/politica/549561-101275-0-Malvinas-masivo-respaldo-al-reclamo-la-Argentina (sorry, I couldn´t find this article in english)
@ Nicotine
Nov 30th, 2010 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still looks like the land of sheep flat and full of wood thin shelters
Ushuaia, the most southern city in the world, is the capital of the province of Tierra ... of the modern buildings and the wooden houses with tin hip roofs, ...
Never been to the southern most shithole Nicotine?
Spain, Billy? Don't be a cretin. Half of our fishing fleet are jointly owned by Spanish and Falkland Island companies. Lip service, that's all.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think this is a blessing in disguise actually. We've been dithering over the deepwater port decision for ages and this will sort it out once and for all. The private sector will stump up their contribution, we'll get a soft loan for the rest,and off we go.
A dry dock here would do a roaring trade, surely. Imagine a place in South America where you could get the jobs done without backhanders, strikes and general incompetence. And with Benny- tech. It would pay for itself in no time.
@61: One can imagine just what a stage-managed event the Argentine delegation performed.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine delegate stood-up and read his government's propaganda followed by the pre-planned endorsement by his usual supporting actors.
The Maritime Safety Committee simply reiterated the need for all governments comply with the IMO rules concerning operations endangering the safety of navigation.
With this diversion over, the IMO & its members got on with their actual planned agenda and real work, which I read, according to the official IMO Media press release covered agreement on new mandatory fire test procedures and improved lifeboat release hooks.
From what I read in the free press, I do believe the British 28th annual test of its 7km range Rapier air-to-air missile took place entirely within Falklands waters, within 3km of the coast. I also read full notification to all regional authorities was communicated by the local authorities including temporary designation of the test area as a danger area far in advance of the test, in full compliance with IMO rules.
Given that there has been no breach of IMO rules, it is hard to see why Argentina seeks to grandstand at the IMO , other than to make a cheap publicity stunt for the consumption of domestic and regional media.
Reprehensible dishonest behaviour unbecoming of responsible nations and diplomats.
Contrary to the biased view expressed by the pro-Argentine speaker, I cannot see how this test can be cause a regional arms race nor be a threat to anyone, unless it is used by unscrupulous South American governments to continue their systematic political, economic and racist persecution of the Falklanders, who are a defenceless ethnic minority, in direct defiance of UN Charter and Resolutions on the matter.
Shame on Brasil, Ecuador, Bolivia, Panama, Chile, Mexico, Venezuela, Cuba, Colombia, Peru, Spain and South Africa.
Shame on Argentina.
@Nicodim 51
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I think that we will have to do a lot of work in the Island to make habitable to our standards and have same sort of civilization.”
Indeed you will, at the moment there's no shantytowns or slums in the Falklands. As you say....a lot of work to do.
:-)
@ Domingo #64 shame on you, latinoamericano cobarde.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British break down and cry :( You can do something about it if you don't like it, remember the UK is a superpower. Isn't it? No?
No wonder they want to export their Architecture
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUENOS AIRES -- About 1,500 people used to live in Villa Cartón, a slapdash cluster of hundreds of crooked shacks wedged beneath a highway overpass.
Scrap-wood walls were reinforced with cardboard, old bedsheets curtained window frames. Walkways were clogged with pushcarts full of bottles and paper, the recyclable refuse that many of the people who lived there scavenged for a living.
In February, someone set fire to the shantytown, and the pumper trucks that eventually arrived could do little but water its ashes. But the fire -- and the saga that followed as officials tried to relocate the residents -- has laid bare a problem that Buenos Aires and other metropolises face as they grapple with growing slums. The most precarious parts of the city, however undesirable, are among the hardest to replace.
The only latin america cowards I see are those wretched racist bullies that seek to intimidate and coerce the Falklanders, simply because they are a distinct ethnic minority to others in the region.That dubious honour appears to include you too, Xbox.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Decent honourable people who chose to speak-up for the defence of the minorit's human rights and the respect fo the UN Charter and Resolution 1514(XV) are also subjected to the same intimidation and coercion.
Shame on these latin american bullies, shame on them indeed.
Quite, Domingo :-)
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Xbox, you're sounding like a stuck record.
Britain is not a superpower, no-one said it was. And no-one is crying.
If you haven't got anything new to say, why don't you keep quiet until you think of something?
No, Britain is no longer a superpower or Argentina the 4th richest country in the world,where did it all go wrong?
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Monty69 #69 You are not British. Thank you for your concerns.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ stick up your junta #70 Cool man, the UK is not a superpower. You've finally stepped down from your cloud ;) Now that the UK means nothing, we'll see how the British aliens in Las Malvinas deal with this democratic clause.
Xbox - quite simple. The UK is part of the EU and the big boy of SA wants greater access to EU markets. Note this relates to Falkland Flagged ships and not ships going to the Falklands that are flagged in other countries like the Maersk Traveller for instance. Brazil liked saying hello to that particular tug and the rig it was towing.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding the UK's stance in the Islands. Simple, our gun is bigger than yours. Although Nico appears to think that the Argentina armed services are the best trained and equipped in the world - delusion is a terrible affliction.
Can someone explain what race and ethnic background are the Islanders?
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“racist persecution of the Falklanders, who are a defenceless ethnic minority”
Are they Blacks? Aborigines?
Not they are Brits a European stock and supported by a colonialist nation like Britain.
Also the Islanders manifested several times to be a fortress well defended with more military power than Brazil, Argentina, and Russia together. And according with the Islander the 2nd super military power in the world. And that themselves also have thanked UK for the level of protection they have.
What according with them count with nuclear subs, sophisticate weapons like the US BGM-109 Tomahawk capable to produce Nuclear strikes on Argentina, a nation pacifist labeled free of Nuclear weapons, poor, full of darky latinos, Italians and ignorant Spanish.
Hey mate you are kidding? Its clear the victim here its Argentina, we should call the Russian and Chinese to protect us from such dangerous aggression.
Batman! Robin! where are you when we need you most?
Ah here you are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlW-8fJwOmU
Xbox, my passport would beg to differ. Just looking again; yep, still says 'British' on it. Silly boy.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nico. now I know you're a numpty. Are you really saying you have to be black to experience racially motivated persecution?
Don't make me give you examples.
Interesting times Perro ..... not really. Just more of the same old Argentine crap and with very little effect. Hardly anyone outside of Argentina has even noticed the declaration. Mercopress and UPI are the only ones to pick it up and a couple of news sites have copied the UPI material.
Nov 30th, 2010 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the UK the weather is more important. You are getting ignored!
We'll see what the islanders say later today, but on the face of it this latest act only seems to have entrenched their opposition to Argentina, and without their say so the UK is not even going to talk about the islands with anyone else.
We are good at that .... ask the Spanish :-)
it's not in the news here (USA). Americans always gravitate to the English in any dispute the English have. Nothing personal Argentina, you guys seem like Don Quixote tilting at windmills.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ rlsimmonsjr #76
Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0I love when latinoamericanos say something like this:
76 rlsimmonsjr (#) it's not in the news HERE (USA). You know? I am from America, I am from the USA, you know? Hey, believe me, I'm AN American, from the USA, I'm not a latinoamericano, nope, I'm from the USA, an American, you know, I have authority. haha, PISS OFF, LATINOAMERICANO COBARDE!
@75 Redhoyt “In the UK the weather is more important. You are getting ignored!” Yes Redhoyt, that's why you're here, because we are being ignored ;)
Are you OK Xbox? I think you probably need to up your dosage a bit. Or get a new dummy.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'd say you've lost the plot Xblox.....but then again you've always been like this.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not getting any tonight (as usual) I guess.
ExBrain - you area ssuming that I'm in the UK ..... but then you are wrong about pretty well eveything.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm here (Mercopress) because I have a particular interest and a lot of time on my hands. You lot keep me amused :-)
@ Redhoyt #80 hahaha are you crazy? Yo're not even British.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Las Malvinas son Argentinas, para que you Brits don't forget it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EIL0hdjn7w&feature=related
That's what I said ... wrong about everything :-)
Dec 01st, 2010 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think we're giving the announcement too much credit, if you read the actual text it says that the Unasur members only plan to report FI Flagged vessels engaged in the Hydrocarbon Industry to Argentina, they don't intend to stop FI Flagged vessels from entering, trading with, or leaving the ports.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinists on here are just fanning the flames of this nonsense declaration, it actually means nothing at all.
It is nothing, let them talk it up, it's a load of bollox anyway, situation normal, carry on with the drilling.
In terms of comments like 'a choice between handing over Sovereignty and trade with a continent', this is clearly not true is it, since the declaration doesn't even mention UK Flagged vessels, much less reporting, or blockading.
It would seem that the Southern Cone is more interested in trade with the UK and Europe than it is with Argentine claims of Sovereignty, therefore organisations such as Unasur and Mercusur create the necessary platitudes for Argentina and its utter bollox foreign policy that is based on fabricated evidence and a false history. They all know this in South America, and they all know that Argentina deludes itself, but give them an affectionate pat on the head, and whisper sweet nothings and they are happy.
” ... The Falkland Islands has operated its own Red Ensign register since 1861.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0On 15 September 2003, a four-part register arrangement similar to that operated in the United Kingdom was commenced when the Falkland Islands adopted Parts I and II of the UK Merchant Shipping Act 1995 (with modifications). The Register is ordinarily restricted to merchant vessels not exceeding a gross tonnage of 150, fishing vessels and small ships whose owners or charterers have a connection with the Falkland Islands ....”
http://www.ukshipregister.co.uk/falkland.htm
So how many ships are likely to be affected because 150 tons isn't very big lol :-)
In effect then, unless a private yacht is for some reason carrying a tiny cargo associated with the Hydrocarbon Industry within the Falkland Islands is operating to or from Stanley, and is FI Flagged, then the Unasur Member State is obligated to merely report (not refuse port services), the details of this journey to the Argentine Government.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whats the betting no-one ever bothers to even check, let alone fill out a report on behalf of another country, and spend time finding out where to send it? I think port authorities have more important things to attend to, demanding greater attention and time.
@71: The mark of true mature democracies is the abstention from harming small minorities and their positive protection. In the case of the Falkland Islands, UNASUR member states are obliged to obey Articles 73 and 74 of the UN Charter and resolution 1514(XV).
Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@73: For your information, according to the United Nations Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination,the term
“racial discrimination”
shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
I feel ”maritime” today….. (Must be the sea air of Mar del Plata….)
Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0This little “diplomatic nail” is like a pearl in its oyster……
Evolving, growing and becoming more valuable…
It will be groomed and spruced again this week at the Ibero-American meeting……….
Still impressed by the gushing momentum of our diplomatic offensive since 15 February 2010:-)
Then you are easily impressed old un! Hardly a gush ... more of a trickle. Should be effective on the same time scale as erosion :-)
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is sad you feel that way. To me your diplomatic “cultured pearl” seems petty, spiteful, growing evermore highly flawed and of no intrinsic value, because it is essentially an artificial pearl, which on simply inspection is plain for all to see.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would have to agree with you Think, that the Argentine diplomatic offensive is an excessive display of sentiment and enthusiasm for its irresponsible systematic policy of political and economic persecution and coercion of the Falklanders because they are not Argentines.
I think it is silly. Much better for Argentina to do what is right and abstain from unilateral acts, conform to UN resolutions and to use the International Court of Justice to pursue its claim legally. IMHO ;-)
Ahhh ... bit of a problem with the last suggestion there I'm afraid Domingo ... courts not only require evidence, they are also capable of coming up with the 'wrong' result ... depending on your perspective of course. After all, it was Serbia that pushed for the Kosovo case to go to the ICJ .... bit miffed when they lost!
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina appears to have been avoiding the ICJ since they reasserted their claim in the 1940's ....... someone ( I suspect the government lawyers) knows something to the detriment of their case!
Force - be it invasion or blockade, seems to be the safer option. How little they know the British :-)
Think - that Iberoamerican meeting appears to be about education ... now I can see the need for that :-))
(50) Hoyt
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0You better watch your paternalistic, “besserwisser”. ethnocentric ways….
Too easy to make mistakes at your young age…..
You assume to quickly that it is the opponent making a mistake…..
Remember to “Think”
This is the meeting I referred to:
http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10694:malvinas-and-the-blockade-to-cuba-issues-of-mar-del-plata-ibero-american-summit&catid=42:politics
Thank you THink - too many iberoamerican summits. By god you people attend a lot of meetings ... good for building up the air miles I suppose!
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully, this link is better Think - http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=10694%3Amalvinas-and-the-blockade-to-cuba-issues-of-mar-del-plata-ibero-american-summit&catid=42%3Apolitics&Itemid=1
“ ... President Cristina Fernández shall seek a resolution of the participant nations in favor of the Argentine claim of sovereignty on the Malvinas Archipelago, as has happened in previous meetings, such as the Group of Río, held in Cancún last February.....”
So many meeting, so much favour, such little effect. I still think there's a need for the summit on education though :-)
Think, I've been thinking. Do the UNASUR states, including Argentina, realise that they may not implement a secret treaty among themselves,
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0i.e.:
“UN Charter Article 102: Every treaty and every international agreement entered into by any Member of the United Nations after the present Charter comes into force shall as soon as possible be registered with the Secretariat and published by it.
No party to any such treaty or international agreement which has not been registered in accordance with the provisions of paragraph 1 of this Article may invoke that treaty or agreement before any organ of the United Nations”
The article clearly states that secret treaties concluded in violation of this provision are unenforceable before official bodies, like the GA & ICJ
Furthermore, because Argentina's and UNASUR's secret treaty is in direct conflict with Articles 73 and 74 of the the UN Charter and also GA Resolution 1514(XV) it is null and void according to UN Charter Article 103, i.e.:
“n the event of a conflict between the obligations of the Members of the United Nations under the present Charter and their obligations under any other international agreement, their obligations under the present Charter shall prevail?”
Has it not occurred to Argentina & UNASUR that they have no legal recourse to the UN given their clear actions break both UN Charter & resolutions, whilst clearly the Falklanders have clear grounds for complaint about these repressive measures by Argentine to the UN GA & C24?
Has it also not occurred to Argentina that its invasion of 1982, its unilateral cancelling of fishery & oil agreements, & its continued harassment, persecution & coercion of the Falklanders are all good grounds for the Falklanders to instruct the UK govt. to refuse negotiation under resolutions 2065(XX) & 3160(XXVIII) because Argentina's repressive actions are prohibited & the opposite of its obligations under Article 73 and resolution 1514(XV) to which Argentina solemnly agreed
Well done Domingo, that will now force into operation the South Atlantic version of Godwin's Law, known as Craughwell's law.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let's see how long it takes Twinky or someone else to mentions Iraq, British colonial ambitions or the fate of the Chagossians...
Perhaps we'll get another dose of Xblox's latest logical gem, He'll say “you're not British” and then bang on about how perfidious the British are.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
All these organisations - Mercosur, Unasur, OAS etc, are like old boys clubs with the same old boys as members. With an exception or two, all small players in world affairs.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0When you get the security council supporting Argentina Think, let me know :-)
Haughty British boy :-)
Dec 01st, 2010 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@94: Doh! You forgot to include changing the subject too ;-D
Dec 01st, 2010 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0.....and being called “Haughty”, another favourite.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0...or thieving pirates.
:-)
Domingo, Craughwell's law involves a change in subject, but its very definition. Well done though!
Dec 01st, 2010 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cher Think, you are becoming as silly as xbox & l expected greater intelligence from you, “King Turnip” my FN/FAL is ex-Argentinean(l have been told)heavy little blighter. did you make them or buy them? you, xbox are a drooling fool but the nastiest piece of work would have to be estupido tico nico. l think they must really believe the rubbish they come out with. dr goebbels would be proud of you. repeat a lie often enough and people will eventually believe it.but we don't believe you.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They obviously don't repeat the lie often enough Isolde...
Dec 01st, 2010 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(101) Cher Isolde
Dec 01st, 2010 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0----”Cher Think, you are becoming as silly as xbox” ----
OUCHHHHH…… You Island Sheilas surely know how to slur a man! :-)
I shouldn’t say this,……………. but, as the chances that you ever will “put your sights” on a Latin American are one in a billion;………………no harm will be ever done.
I would say that mechanically, physically and esthetically a Steyr AUG would fit a fine little lady like you much better than a FAL.....
Especially the 1.5x optical sight is an invaluable advantage for us over the 30’s…….
If you really want to know if you have been oiling and buffing a dark Argie during all those years, just read the markings on the sides of that heavy bugger……..
French= Belgian
Spanish = Argentino
Au revoir, Malvinera……………..
The ICJ, when you see what nationalities are those people at the UN Secutiry Council, and then you see what the USA and the UK do with people who don't follow their orders, you can easily know what the result will be. The ICJ is another fraud. Would you insist on going the ICJ if the UN Security Council were integrated by Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia, Paraguay and Ecuador? hahaha NO! And you can see the current composition of the Court:
Dec 01st, 2010 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice
What if the UK, the USA, Russia, etc etc weren't there? Would you insist on going to the ICJ? hahaha, what a joke!
I think Xbox you just reveal your own prejudice by your irrational outburst
Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If in genuine doubt of the the court's honesty, Argentina could request an advisory non-binding opinion
However, the process of selection, election, appointment, obligations duties seems of the highest standard of fairness & competence as humanly possible: (http://www.icj-cij.org/court/index.php?p1=1&p2=2)
“The International Court of Justice is composed of 15 judges elected to nine-year terms of office by the United Nations General Assembly & the Security Council
In order to be elected, a candidate must receive an absolute majority of the votes in both bodies.
All States parties to the Statute of the Court have the right to propose candidates. These proposals are made not by the government of the State concerned, but by a group consisting of the members of the Permanent Court of Arbitration designated by that State. Each group can propose up to four candidates, not more than two of whom may be of its own nationality
Judges must be elected from among persons of high moral character, who possess the qualifications required in their respective countries for appointment to the highest judicial offices
The Court may not include more than one national of the same State. Moreover, the Court as a whole must represent the main forms of civilization and the principal legal systems of the world
Once elected, a Member of the Court is a delegate neither of the government of his own country nor of that of any other State. Members of the Court are independent judges whose first task, before taking up their duties, is to make a solemn declaration in open court that they will exercise their powers impartially and conscientiously
In order to guarantee his or her independence, no Member of the Court can be dismissed unless, in the unanimous opinion of the other Members, he/she no longer fulfils the required conditions”
Funny that xbox. You Argies bleat about your international rights and about UN resolutions being broken but then suddenly the only UN organ, the ICJ, which can actually make a ruling regarding your claim is “a fraud”. So is the UN a fraud also? If you think so then why mention the UN resolutions which you get so exercised about?
Dec 01st, 2010 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh and your “compostition” chestnut is an old one xbox, we've all seen it before. What you will struggle to prove is that the ICJ is biased towards the UK in any of the cases involving it - and that is with a range of compositions very different to the current one.
#11:
Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I will keep on quoting whatever I think adequate for the sake of discussion. You may comment on that, but not insult me. I will not take that from you or anyone else.
@ J. A. Roberts #107, attacking the messenger instead of the message, is what you are doing. saying that we argies do this and that, won't help you. The ICJ is one thing, the UN the same thing, we know who gives the orders ;) Will the USA still be part of the UN Security Council after all that has been known? Yes, of course, nothing will change. Will they still have the power of veto? Yes, of course, nothing will change. ;)
Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The argies dont like the idea of the ICJ,ever since the Beagle Channel dispute didnt go their way :-)
Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually I was questioning your consistency xbox. One minute the Falklands should be yours because some unspecified UN resolution apparently says so, the next the UN is a “fraud”. Which is it xbox?
Dec 01st, 2010 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the phrase tripped off my tongue Yaghan, let's not forget who's the aggressor in the Falklands dispute, Argentina, that's who. What's the point of quoting laudable sentiments from Martin Luther King that you do not adhere to in any way. When are you going to start showing us the 'love'?
Hypocrisy Yaghan, I call it as I see it. 'fucking' was merely for emphasis.
There you go, complaining about people building houses before you ever thought of making bricks, and then complaining that these people with houses deliberately own them, when it would be so much better if they handed over the keys to those houses to some johnny come lately who wants to fill the houses with his best mates cos he'd make such a better job of running things, without actually contributing to creating anything.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The analogy above is about the UN Security Council, but it could easily be about Stanley, and if we use Stanley as an example, then shitting in the Post Office isn't an improvement really, is it?
yaghan #8: I agree fully with the sentiment of MLK. I would agree that the AR, UK and FIG and their peoples would benefit from embracing the meaning words and translating their actions into positive acts of trust, friendship and cooperation.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox: # 104/108:
Is the ICj Biased? Possibly based on this statistical report:
http://www.ericposner.com/Is%20the%20International%20Court%20of%20Justice%20Biased.pdf
which found a typical bias in voting patterns whereby the judge appears to favour the applicant or respondent who most closely reflects his/her own culture.
However, the analysis fails to consider two key factors that must be important, i.e. the evidence put before the court and whether that evidence supports the applicant or respondent in law.
Is the ICJ biased in favour of the UK? Well brief examination of its decisions involving the UK:
http://www.ericposner.com/Is%20the%20International%20Court%20of%20Justice%20Biased.pdf
reveals the following:
1949: 1 decision for the UK, 1 decision against the UK
1952: 1 decision against the UK
1953: 1 decision against the UK
1954: 1 deicision against the UK
1963: 1 decision for the UK
1972: 1 decisions for the UK
Summary: 3/7 decisions for the UK, 4/7 decisions against the UK
Don't know if there's a better summary out there... for all nations too?
I think existing internationally recognised bodies whose purpose is to resolve state to state disputes peacefully, fairy and amicably should be tried. Here both the UK and AR are signatories to the UN Charter and recognise the ICJ statute.
I think the use of the ICJ for an advisory opinion on behalf of the C24 might help.
@ J.A.Roberts #1010 “ One minute the Falklands should be yours because some unspecified UN resolution apparently says so, the next the UN is a “fraud”. Which is it xbox?” True, a UN resolution says Las Malvinas are ours, but as you can see, the UK don't care about that resolution. Why? Simply because the UN is a fraud, and they do support wars, and they promote wars! If the UN wasn't a fraud, the UK wouldn't be in Las Malvinas.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which UN Resolution states that the Falkland Islands belong to Argentina, now don't dodge the question, the answer has to be on the tip of your tongue because you've just mentioned it, so please tell us your answer?
Dec 01st, 2010 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To add to what Domingo #105 posted. If a state does not have a judge in the current list of judges, it can nominate a judge ad hoc in any case it's litigating. This is what both Argentina and Uruguay did in the Botnia mill case. The judge ad hoc can be of the same nationality as the litigant country, but doesn't have to be.
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“True, a UN resolution says Las Malvinas are ours”
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The United Nations has never called upon the British Government to discuss sovereignty over the Falklands, The UN asked both governments to discuss granting of Independence.
It's an entirely different subject.
Xbox #114: “True, a UN resolution says Las Malvinas are ours”
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not true. Sorry pal, that's a false statement.
Resolutions only note Argentina disputes sovereignty and request the UK and AR negotiate a peaceful settlement, whilst also requiring them to applying resolution 1514(XV), i.;e. the Falklanders right to self-determination and the wishes of the Falklanders. See resolution 2065(XX).
We all know there is nothing Argentina can do, all they can hope for
Dec 01st, 2010 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0is that the islanders wake up one morning, and decides hey wish to be Argentinean, or the British get worried and are forced by Argentina to give them up, or the UN demand the British give them to you [or else]
now as none of this crap is ever likely to happen, why cant Argentina just stop harassing them and go home and grow up, [besides would you give up your XBOX for an Atari game]
people, this summer they can go on holiday in Salta, a beautiful city.
Dec 02nd, 2010 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agrjkGrW9_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agrjkGrW9_Q
very beautiful, Malvinense, love the old buildings. the mountains are as bare as the Falklands. are there plenty of good coffee shops?
Dec 02nd, 2010 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt @49... 'A new deep sea port is already under consideration'
Dec 02nd, 2010 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are right. But perhaps you are not aware that two years ago, when the old one was ready to be refurbished adding more piers and separate room for tourism liners, fishing boats, and cargo liners, plus more warehouses and a place to receive tourists , all with local funding, the MOD stepped in and stopped all these plans dead.
Now and then, we discuss over the islands present in terms as 'Are they an English colony, or what?'
Well, if it is not a colony, how comes that the MOD has supreme power to stop working on what is supposed to be the islands' life and business and, on the other hand, the local authorities would not have asked the UK government to contribute a single penny?
I don't know. You tell me.
Cheers!
@122
Dec 02nd, 2010 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd like to see your sources for all that Argie, if they exist outside your own head that is.
Name your sources; sounds like complete rubbish to me. In fact it is rubbish.
Dec 02nd, 2010 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The MOD has no power over anything to do with the port.
unless its drinkable ?
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 12:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0the argies are born loosers ,they lost territory to chile,bolivia,brazil,and the lost their claim against uruguay over the paper mill.
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of the asrgies are of italian stock,the italians have never won a war.
@#77 xbarilox. Let me get this straight, I tell y'all that it's not in the news here in the US and you imagine me to be a latino coward? I'm not, latino o cobarde. How you could infer that is beyond me or why that would be important if it was true. I will say it again, we always back -up the UK. Your government is doing a great job of distracting y'all from your considerable REAL problems. But hey, tilt at windmills for all we care.
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argos - if the Falkland Islands are a colony, then they're entitled to self-determination and independence supported by the UN.
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 01:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0They were a colony, but now they are something else ... a British Overseas Territory .... we have a few.
I did not hear that the MOD blocked the last set of plans although I think you'll find that the scheme has been aired again recently.
The only pertinent question is why the MOD should involve itself. An obvious conclusion would be that the proposal in some way affected military efficiency. The FIG would and should listen to such advice. The MOD cannot 'order' the FIG about any decision.
@ 121 Isolde, yes, there are good coffee shops, Salta is a beautiful city surrounded by mountains, I hope I can ever come to visit. Glad you liked it.
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 02:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seem bigmouth strikes again now from Miami beach!!!
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0haha
@127 Don't worry about Xblox, NicoDim et al, any American who posts something that they don't like gets the 'illegal immigrant, latin American Coward' treatment.
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Ark Royal returns home after final voyage
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There has been talk that she could be turned into a museum, but that may be too expensive. It is more likely that she will be sold off or simply scrapped for parts.”
Hey that's a good idea for the Malvinas flagged vessels..
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/03/ark-royal-final-voyage
Iro #123, 124 & others. I'm sure you'd be delighted to know what my sources are, but I'm afraid you'll have to check in Britain yourselves. Sorry boys! Next time perhaps... Or perhaps you may find it soon on the Wikileak!
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And those who say it's rubbish, they just don't know what they're talking about. The 'LegAss' (what a name!) holds a certain power, mostly administrative and planner, but not enough.
Enjoy the weekend... (TGIF!!)
I thought it was bullshit, thanks for confirming that Argie.
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have a nice weekend.
:-)
@132 hey Marcos, do you know how many of these Malvinas flagged vessels that you've banned there are in the world?
None! Guess you might have had a better result banning Falkland Islands Flagged vessels. Better luck next time, fools.
“There has been talk that she could be turned into a museum, but that may be too expensive. It is more likely that she will be sold off or simply scrapped for parts.”
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey that's a good idea for the “Falklands” flagged vessels..
Better now? :-)
““Falklands” flagged vessels.”
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a good start Marcos, you're getting there, now let's try this....repeat after me...
The Falkland Islands are British.
Keep dreaming :-)
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fail!
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Go to the back of the class, boy!
I dont understand the childish nationalism of the argies,they cant run their own country and they pretend to run a well organized and civilised society as the Falklands?reminds me of the mentality of the germans befiore WW2
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm sure you'd be delighted to know what my sources are, but I'm afraid you'll have to check in Britain yourselves
Dec 03rd, 2010 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are argie and think one of the same?
seem to recall think having inside info on the cost of the Falklands defence, but came out with the same bollox
MoreCrap, we don't have to dream ... we're there! You on the other hand lol :-)
Dec 04th, 2010 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the Falkland Islands are British”. And then say they are a distinct people ...Were never in the Soledad Island (East Falkland). NEVER. Were never in the Gran Malvina (West Falkland). NEVER. Only in the Trinidad Island (Saunders Island) You can not base their claims by a small establishment, in Port Egmont, precarious, ephemeral, illegal, that was finally abandoned.
Dec 04th, 2010 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas Islands are Argentinas.
Ay, hermanita perdida.
Hermanita: vuelve a casa.
Malvinas, tierra cautiva
de un rubio tiempo pirata.
Patagonia te suspira.
Toda la Pampa te llama.
138 WestisBest, “Go to the back of the class, boy!” Yes Bwana...
Dec 04th, 2010 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0139 expat “they pretend to run a well organized and civilised society as the Falklands?”
“It is ironic that 22 years after British troops died for democracy in the Falklands, that a British citizen would be forced to flee the Falklands to escape political corruption and death threats, to seek democracy and freedom of speech in Argentina”
http://www.falklands.net/FalklandsCorruption.shtml
“ ... Rick Nye attended to update MLAs on the latest Argentine diplomatic effort at the UNISUR Summit. Evidently nothing had been written down and more research needs to be done before we know how the other South American nations will comply with their verbal assent to banning Falklands Flagged vessels from their ports.....”
Dec 04th, 2010 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing in writing then Think ...... ??
(144) Hoyt
Dec 04th, 2010 - 06:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0“...Rick Nye attended to update MLAs on the latest Argentine diplomatic effort at the UNISUR Summit. Evidently nothing had been written down and more research needs to be done…”
UNISUR ?.................... UNISUR ???
http://www.unisur.cl/english/inicio.html
No wonder he couldn’t find any relevant documents…
UNISUR is a Chilean Potato producer….
What a Turnip……
Mr. Rick Nye………………………... try --- “UNASUR” ---- :-))))))))))
Rotted, Potato summit?? No wonder you are so confused...hahaha :-)
Dec 04th, 2010 - 07:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@143
Dec 04th, 2010 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0and your source is Mad Mike's own website, very objective Marcos.
so where's the link for UNASUR's written final document then Think!
Dec 05th, 2010 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm the illegal flag of the TRNC in Cyprus hasn't stopped trade with other countries, they just change their flag to that of Turkey. Belligerent blockades never really work, nor do childish declarations such as this.
Dec 05th, 2010 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The resulting sum of these actions will be solely to remind the Falklands why they sty British, and make them selves even more self-reliant.
I'm sure Korean and Chinese Riggers would more than delighted to just round the cape, fish in the islands, off load their merchandise in Stanley and San Carlos and then just head back out to fish again, no need for the belligerent grumpy bullies on the mainland to play a part!
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