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New Royal Navy Icebreaker for Falklands and Antarctic patrol
The Royal Navy has revealed it is replacing flood-damaged HMS Endurance with an icebreaker to be named HMS Protector. Read full article
The Royal Navy has revealed it is replacing flood-damaged HMS Endurance with an icebreaker to be named HMS Protector. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAn important and practical addition to the Royal Naval assets being assigned to the South Atlantic.
Jan 13th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed. A timely notice of intent, and of long-term ramification and benefit to the region.
Jan 13th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I suppose we had better get ready for all the complaints that will surely come our way from the argentine government,
Jan 13th, 2011 - 11:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no doubt they will complain its another colonial invasion, and a breach of Argentinean rights of claim, and im in no doubt the British government will again ignore anything that jumped up ragtime has to say, and again the freedom of the Falklands will be guaranteed by the British, and ignored by the argies .
3 briton
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ja,ja!!!, Briton, you are so funny.......
@4 Kiwifruit,
Jan 14th, 2011 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ja ja!! and you are so estupido....
5 Isolde, briton and falklandlad: Although they don't like they have to recognize that to the long one the Argentinean rights on the Islands are broadly very justified. With running of the time, as he/she leaves knowing with depth the dispute, the world public opinion and it interns of the United Kingdom they agree with the position Argentina. 30% percent of the population of the islands even quietly already comes with sympathy the position Argentina and Latin American that are hidden and they go losing the fear to the gags and reprisals of the wealthy commercial monopolies that siembran fear and terror to the inhabitants of the islands hindering the freedom of speech.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The more ships we send, the better we will feel.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nice when Argentina cannot do nothing to stop it, [ja]
Raul, Argentina has no rights in the Falklands, broad ones or justified ones. And frankly the world could not give a toss about the Argentine claim. If you think 30% of the Falkland Islanders quietly support the Argentine position you have definitely been taking too many drugs.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0cannot do nothing (sic) ? :-) We can't, so far, but one day we might. On the other hand, it is good to have another icebreaker in the area. The Argentine ARA Almirante Irizar, currently finalising repairs after a fire that had it badly damaged will, hopefully, join soon.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul - you are talking cr*p, Argie - one day perhaps, who can tell!
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Protector' - good name for an ice breaker :-)
I agree that 'Protector' is a very appropriate name. But 'Endurance' was another good name... One was crushed by ice pressure and left Shackleton's Expedition on foot (but with three whaleboats) at Lat 84ºS, and one nearly sank off Chile's coast because a valve was left inadvertently open... As far as we know, ARA Almirante Irizar's huge refurbishing is almost finIshed. Our hardy icebraker has been for long, and will again be, a piéce-de-resistance against British bullying in those waters, so there's a genuine interest in having her back.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Almirante Irizar nearly sank because of a fire, indeed the British offered assistance and in 2007 offered the use of HMS Endurance to supply Argentine bases in Antartica. But as usual that magnanimous offer was turned down by Kirschner Government.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only navy I'm aware of that has done any bullying that I can think of is the ARA. In 1976, Almirante Storni fired at the unarmed survey ship RRS Schackleton, in 2004 Almirante Irizar harassed shipping in Falklands waters and it was only last year that the FV Venturer was threatened in Falklands waters.
Justin, I cannot be hold responsible for what my government does but I agree with you that our ARA also harasses ships in the area, in my view, to counterbalance alien forces also operating in the area.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As there's a strong pending issue around certain sovereingties which involves certain territorial waters as well, nobody should be surprised if these things happen. No ship had been sunk though, but a fishing one (owned by a certain Mike Summers, a former islands' councillor and hardcore Argentina's deprecator) was caught a few yards into 'our waters' and had her cargo confiscated, but that was all.
The rest are ghost stories told to scare the children and inflate the rift between our inadvertent peoples...
There is double speak if ever I've heard it, “to counterbalance alien forces” or in plain English “he made me do it”. Come on
Jan 14th, 2011 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If there are strong pending issues, their resolution is not facilitated by confrontation are they?
In this stalemate situation, alien forces is what Argentina considers the British are because of those territorial waters I mentioned before, and certain related sovereignties. The British believe otherwise and that's why there's no 'he made me do it, Miss'
Jan 14th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strong pending issues will not be solved by passive attitudes either. This point is proved by more than 200 years of Argentina's toeing the line... so let's have at least some fun by firing blanks to the ducks in the shooting range. And let's hope no live ones are ever used again.
Well Argie. What a useless prole you are. You cannot be held responsible for what your government does? I thought you were supposed to have a “democratic” country. But of course, you don't. As far as “alien forces” are concerned, there are some. They send out vessels with the prefix ARA. Britain was there before a certain coterie of rebel colonists.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is no strong pending issue around any sovereignties. Oh, there might be in the limited “minds” of numbers of dozy dagos, but that doesn't make it a fact. If you have a problem with that, go to the ICJ, why don't you?
There is, of course, a group of inadvertent peoples. Strangely, they use a name that may be a long version of the one you use. By the way, you should use an English dictionary to look up the word “inadvertent”. I actually think it may, accidentally, be appropriate.
Well Argentina is listed Internationally as a flawed democracy, so I suppose Argie can claim he or his people have no control over the flawed Argentine Government, but with his years driving about the UK you'd have thought he'd realise that the British do what they say they will do, and honour any promises or agreements, it's a part of maintaining an International reputation.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those alleged years driving about the UK and meeting people, supposedly learning all he can about the British mentality, and he's still none the wiser, I suspect you were rather viewed as some sort of Argie nut, and being polite, we only said nice things about you, at least to your face.
Pirates not alowed
Jan 14th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346094/Brazil-sides-Argentina-Britain-Falklands-warship-turned-away-Rio.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346094/Brazil-sides-Argentina-Britain-Falklands-warship-turned-away-Rio.html
Perhaps we should pile all the mines together in one big pile, to show the world what kind of people plant these killing machines that kill inocent people, show the world just how different the murdering taliban and argentina in fact have in common, no respect for inocent lives lost by these mines, and perhaps shame argentina into paying up for the removal of these things.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They should be ashamed to sit back and let those brave boys try and find them and dismantle them, shame on argentina,
MoreBollox, I feel sorry for you languishing in your ignorance, living your life with lies within your heart, and those responsible urging you on, so that the lies live on.
Jan 14th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still...you have paco to keep you happy.
“Britain's isolation on Falklands grows with 'anti-colonial' Brazil”
Jan 14th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0snubhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/brazil/8251700/Britains-isolation-on-Falklands-grows-with-anti-colonial-Brazil-snub.html
Yes MoreCrap .... yawn !
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0No change today, no change tomorrow :-)
British bullying in the antarctic??? some people are on drugs, possibly via an Aero-medical source!
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rotted, Little by Little.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Feb 2010 – Argentina gains the backing of 32 Latin American and Caribbean states to demand the UN intervene over the Falklands as British firms begin drilling for oil in the region.
March 2010 – Hillary Clinton says that the US would be willing to mediate between Britain and Argentina.
Sept 2010 – Uruguay prevents HMS Gloucester from docking in Montevideo in act of solidarity with Argentina.
Jan 2011 – Brazil bans HMS Clyde from docking in Rio de Janeiro
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8251716/Falklands-Islands-timeline-of-tensions-since-the-war.html
That's what I said ..... no change :-)
Jan 15th, 2011 - 01:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing you can do makes any difference !!
@24 You should choose your wording carefully, HMS Clyde was REFUSED docking not banned u plonker, Brazil hasnt put a ban on ANY british vessel of any sort.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 025 Redhoyt (sarse too)
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0you said .....It no change!!!!!!No yet!!!! but It will change soon, Brit the time is over, man
#26, Did you read the article? Complain to that British newspaper if you don't like the “wording”
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos you prat, doesnt matter what article i read, im responding to what he's typed , i can read all the propeganda in the world but you are responsible for what you type yourself
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now here's a funny old thing -
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... 1771 - Spain agrees to cede Falkland Islands to Britain ...”
http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1486659&lang=eng_news&cate_img=1037.jpg&cate_rss=General
Inscrutable :-)
Y Draig Goch , How was your school trip ?
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0woah you'd best hold back on that insult, im almost upset...moron
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rotted, Taiwan news? :-))))))))
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lets see...here is British history site.
”Three years later, the British did formally leave the islands and they passed into the Spanish Empire for the next forty years. This arrangement was formally recognised by the British in the 1790 Nootka Sound Convention by which Britain formally rejected any colonial ambitions in 'South America and the islands adjacent'
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland.htm
Single source citing again, oh dear Marcos and you say im in school....
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0That site carries an apology for innacuracies MoreCrap .. as you know well, but still you quote from it.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0And who is to say that the Taiwanese haven't found some information we missed :-)
And you also know that Nootka Sound is unlikely to apply to the Falkland Islands, although if it did then Argentina would be a 3rd party for the purposes of the secret clause ... either way, you lose :-)))
33 Marcos Alejandro
Jan 15th, 2011 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, do not worry!! You right!!
:-)))
Kiwi'sarse, it's nice to see that MoreCrap has a fan ....wouldn't it be nice if you were both in the same institution :-)
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, you obviously forgot to read the disclaimer on your favourite “British history site”:
Jan 15th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0“First of all, I would like to make it clear that this site is not a rigourous academic site. I am sure there are plenty of mistakes and oversights on my part; for which I apologise in advance.”
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/index.php
Roberts , dont expect these vultures to create a balanced opinion, they will snatch at anything that they perceive as a moral victory, no matter how innacurate or fictional...i suppose they think Mein Kampf is a balanced read too, particularly after all the Nazis that fled there after WW2
Jan 15th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0J.A - he's been told before but is disinclined to listen! Must be an RG
Jan 15th, 2011 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 06 Raul
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'30% percent of the population of the islands even quietly already comes with sympathy the position Argentina and Latin American that are hidden and they go losing the fear to the gags and reprisals of the wealthy commercial monopolies that siembran fear and terror to the inhabitants of the islands hindering the freedom of speech.'
Where did you get that figure from? 30%???? 3% more like.
This is the big Argentine myth, and it's completely unfounded. There is no-one striking 'fear and terror' into us. The ones doing that are Argentines themselves.
The sure way to get elected here is to be very anti Argentine. That's in a free and fair secret ballot. So you see, we just don't want you.
As for freedom of speech, have a look at the editorial of last weeks Penguin News. Interesting.
I have a question for all our Argentine friends;
If you were in our position, if Britain was blockading your town and demanding that you all become British, what would you be prepared to put up with in order to resist? Is there anything that would make you capitulate?
Now theres a new one for the books, British media or historians giving a balanced view.Our friend Britain accusing Argentines of being a killing machine when its a historical fact that his country has been responsible for more genocides than any country on the planet.Your empire made Hitler and Stalin look like schoolboys.Of course they always maintained enough of the uneducated underclass with little or no education to fight their wars people like him brainwashed poor fools who imagine some islands 10,000 kms from his country could have anything to do with him.I have to hand it to the British elite how they maintain these poor fools loyal to their ingrained system of class privelige and colonial rule for so long is a truly remarkeable acheivement
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 042 O gara
Jan 15th, 2011 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're talking like an idiot. The only thing we get from Britain is protection from you. How nice it would be if we didn't need it.
'class privelige and colonial rule' What are you talking about? We aren't ruled by anyone apart from our own government.
I'm not even going to get into a discussion about Hitler and Stalin and how many millions of deaths they were responsible for. I suggest you find out yourself and stop embarrassing yourself
“its a historical fact that his country has been responsible for more genocides than any country on the planet”
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect. China takes that title.
It's always amusing someone from a former empire's colony telling us how bad the days of empire used to be and how so wrong it was. Yet if it didn't happen, you wouldn't be here..would you?
I am not Argentine so i guess the British arent protecting you from me.If you knew or wanted to know your history you would be aware of what the English did in Ireland,India,Kenya and South Africa to name but the worst cases.Savagry on an incredible scale but of course you would not want to know that as you are decended from the stock they sent around the World to pulverize the natives.You my friend are what are known by historians as planters who deserve repatriation to your own land in Europe nothing more.But I guess Argentina being a careing nation will allow those who want to stay on do so
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gaga - another idiot who takes history out of context.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We were the best, we were the biggest .... and now we are something else. You make me laugh with your jealousy. Countries with only 200 years of history compared to our 2000. Little people !
Hardly worth the effort!
We were We were we were at leat you got something right past tenths.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not Argentine as ive tried to put into your pea brain numerous times.I am from a country with more than 2000 years history when btw you werent even on Roman maps
Oh Wow. Guess we have to take you really seriously ogara, with all your historical roots....
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a knob.
Didn't Julius Caesar try to invade Britain in 54BC? Maybe he didn't need a map to get there.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“from a country with more than 2000 years history when btw you werent even on Roman maps”
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Technically all country's have more than 2000 years of history but by that i assume you mean a continual government for over 2000 years? That would mean you was either icelandic, japanese, portuguese, chinese, swedish or from the isle of man just off the top of my head.
On the otherhand if you don't mean a continual government the statement is rather stupid.
You say i should learn history when you don't really know it yourself. The romans did take controll of the UK in AD 43, The romans were trading with the UK as far back as 25 BC, over 2000 years ago.
“.But I guess Argentina being a careing nation will allow those who want to stay on do so”
Jan 15th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is just laughable.
Caring argentina, you can either leave your homes which your faimilys have lived on for over 8 generations or be forced to live under our government.
Haha!
46 Rotted, “We were the best, we were the biggest .... and now we are”.....nothing.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 041 Monty69 “If you were in our position, if Britain was blockading your town and demanding that you all become British”
What blockade? Who's planning to change your nationality?
But I guess Argentina being a careing nation will allow those who want to stay on do so
Jan 15th, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49979
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49979
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=49979
In Argentina, during a raid of the Toba community in Formosa by at least 100 members of the provincial police, several members of the community, including one pregnant woman, were beaten and racially abused. Several others, including a 74-year old man, were detained and ill-treated and humiliated while in custody.
o'gara , stop being a moron, you Irish arent innocent, you republican terrorists were happy to side with the Nazis during the war and happy to blow up innocent civlians all over northern Ireland and the rest of the UK. Dont forget all the terrorist training you proud irish have given other terrorist groups, including the Libyans involved in the Lockerbie bombing. Welsh have had a similar and arguably longer history than you but at least we can get along and live in the present, the Falklands have never been Argentinean so wind your colonialist neck in.
Jan 15th, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0republican terrorists dont you just love the “freedom fighters”
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/past/omagh/bomb.html
still the Argies being a careing nation knew how to deal with terrorists
The Dirty War (Spanish: Guerra Sucia) was a period of state-sponsored violence in Argentina from 1976 until 1983. Victims of the violence included several thousand left-wing activists, including trade unionists, students, journalists, Marxists and Peronists guerrillas[1] and sympathizers.[2] Some 10,000 of the disappeared were Montoneros, and guerrillas of the People's Revolutionary Army (ERP).[3][4][5]Estimates for the number of people who were killed or “disappeared” range from 9,000 to 30,000;[6][7] the National Commission on the Disappearance of Persons estimates that around 13,000 disappeared.[8]
45 O gara
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“you would not want to know that as you are decended from the stock they sent around the World to pulverize the natives.”
Well, actually, no, O gara. The descendants of the British, Spanish, French, Dutch, etc who were sent to do all those things are found mostly among today's Americans, Canadians, Australians, Argentines, Chileans, Mexicans, South Africans, etc. We modern day British, Spanish, French, Dutch, etc are mostly the descendants of those who weren't sent to do those things.
Ireland didn't support the Nazis in the second World war but stayed neutral as two Anglosaxon genocidal nations fought over European domination.As for the IRA slaughtering colonialists in Ireland well tell me colonlized welsh(your province doesn't deserve a capital letter) why wouldn't proud Irishmen not want rid of planters and mercenaries.The same old English trick of centuries, slaughter as many locals as you can send in the planters and talk about self determination. The exquisitley named Murdoch brainwashed boludo doesn't even know that Argentina has jailed those criminals unlike England who will justify anything to maintain some little foreign place under her majestys control while th
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0e trogs of wales and northern England live in squalour.
Nope , not us boyo, now go back to your bog and pretend the beastly english arent there, boohoo
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forget turnipheads Think - we have a potatohead. An Irish marxist terrorist supporter - I'm so glad he's on your side :-)
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know , mad isnt it, theres always the angry 'patriot' in the old countries, thankfully the welsh do it throgh rugby and drinking games now, not leaving pipe bombs for kids to pick up!
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ireland didn't support the Nazis in the second World war but stayed neutral
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0LOL
PRESIDENT Douglas Hyde offered condolences to Nazi Germany's representative in Dublin over the death of Hitler, newly declassified records show.
Until now, historians had believed that the then Taoiseach Eamon de Valera was the only leader to convey official condolences to Eduard Hempel, director of the German diplomatic corps in Ireland.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/hyde-and-de-valera-offered-condolences-on-hitlers-death-228426.html
No junta, the IRA supported the Nazis, not the general public as it says in the text books, but they certainly werent as a nation against the Nazis invading mainland UK as the Germans promised independance from the English.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The family of a former IRA leader who requested Nazi German aid were today said to be devastated after his memorial was broken and defaced by youths claiming to be anti-fascists.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0A statue of IRA Chief of Staff Sean Russell, who died on a German submarine during the Second World War, was beheaded in an attack two weeks ago.
Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/anti-fascist-group-beheads-ira-memorial-184570.html#ixzz1B9pi5ymh
I know its off topic, but it is scary to think of a former IRA commander now in the Irish government, the Ewok-like terror Jerry Adams.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway...back to the main topic, isnt HMS Protector pretty :D
scary for who welsh collaborator we haven't gone away you know.Gerry could be a candidate for foreign affairs minister and recognize the Malvinas as what they are part of the province of Santa Cruz. As for rugby and drinking I don't think you useless cretins can do either.I guess you lot are so useless the next generation won't even be able to sing
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0gerry's brother could be schools minister
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Sunday Tribune has learned that far from being ostracised after revelations that he'd raped his own daughter, Liam Adams was extremely active in the party.
http://www.tribune.ie/news/article/2009/dec/20/exclusive-adams-paedophile-brother-was-youth-worke/
Im genuinely laughing at O gara, that is a funny rant you got going there, Irish pro-peronists, love it lol
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Co Louth republican said: “I'm horrified that, 10 years after Gerry Adams was told his brother was a child rapist, he accompanied him through the streets of Dundalk, meeting women and children. We are all shocked Liam Adams was allowed to be in Sinn Féin so long. We are disgusted at Gerry Adams's cover-up.”
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://stakeknife.blogspot.com/2009/12/exposed-gerry-adams-lies-over-brothers.html
no doubt an english conspiracy ! :-P
Jan 16th, 2011 - 02:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lol @ O gara , now we are British descendants not English and we are afraid of the future? Not from Irish Spanish we arent! Get a grip O bog trotter
Jan 16th, 2011 - 02:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BniyC33QdjM&feature=related
Jan 16th, 2011 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@45: O'gara, I understand your views on the periods of European history you write of, starting with Norman Conquests & then the Age of Empires in Europe and the New World to the modern day
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0It strikes me that migrations of peoples around the world have always been a feature of mankind's recorded & unrecorded history
The plantation of European peoples to the Falklands and Argentina being two examples
It is true that peoples in the past have been terrible to one another, but particularly those who hold power, who by modern standards have used that power wrongly & generally for their own selfish, narrow short-term gain. The history of mankind is full of evil acts, pain & suffering, which shocks & saddens me greatly, but I like to observe have been acts for good too, born from the struggles of peoples to gain equality & justice, which the majority of modern nations & societies require. Mankind has come a long way; imperfect at we are today & still with opportunity to improve
For me, history is a powerful thing. It certainly needs to be taught and the story of all peoples told
It occurs to me that peoples and individuals best need to forgive current generations for the sins of their past generations & to deal with one another in goodwill to solve the problems of today, without repeating or inciting the reliving the horrors of the past
At the same time, I expect my experience is common among all people that mostly people from all nations can get along well and I see acts of friendship, kindness, generosity and goodwill amongst people every day
Broadly, that seems to be happening worldwide. I don't know how much longer tribal loyalties will cause strife & discord between peoples. Supranational organisations like the UNASUR & EU etc. help & hinder
The UN & its Charter is our best expression of good intent. I hope we all see the lessons of the wrongful acts of history & the generation of today chose peace, friendship & cooperation to resolve dispute amicably
@O Gara
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0How's it going with all the money that those evil Brits gave you to save your economy, spent it all yet?
The exquisitley named Murdoch brainwashed boludo doesn't even know that Argentina has jailed those criminals
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well they sure took their time Ramirez O'Reilly
The conviction was Videla's first in 25 years for crimes against humanity
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40784210/ns/world_news-americas/
Domingo you are of course correct in everything you have said.To be fair the agreement in the north of Ireland has been very good with all sides being winners.But have no illusions about the English they only got serious about reaching a fair agreement only when the IRA was threatening to completely destroy the city of London and all that it entails for their elite.This elite are very clever and practical and Cristina Kirchner policy of putting economic pressure on them will eventually bear fruit with the help of Rousseff,Chavez and the other Ametican leaders.When Argentina persuades Chile its best interests are with its neighbours Whitehall will be sitting down with the officials from the Palacio San Martin within a year
Jan 16th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“When Argentina persuades Chile its best interests are with its neighbours Whitehall”
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pigs will sooner fly in July than Chile trusting the Argentina... And on top of that, just like Argentina what does Chile have to sell? Commodities. And where are Chile's markets? Oh, yes, of course, the UK amongst others...
@76
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can I Think? What a turnip
The I RAN AWAY was riddled with British spies
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SINN+FEIN+'RIDDLED'+WITH+BRITISH+SPIES%3B+Party+fears+after+Adams...-a0174583114
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SINN+FEIN+'RIDDLED'+WITH+BRITISH+SPIES%3B+Party+fears+after+Adams...-a0174583114
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SINN+FEIN+'RIDDLED'+WITH+BRITISH+SPIES%3B+Party+fears+after+Adams...-a0174583114
Plus the loyalists were killing more than the I Ran Away in the end
But the early Nineties brought unmistakable evidence that what they lacked in equipment and resourcefulness they could more than make up for in determination and ferocity. For several years they outdid the IRA in their killing rate, in a bloody period that helps explain why there is so much fear of their return to the fray.
(76) O gara
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pleasure to have you on board against those insufferable haughty English :-)
I deduce by your sociopolitical interest about Malvinas and some of your Spanish mannerism with a slight and charming Celtic accent :-)… that you are, at present, living in Argentina.
I “think” however, that you are being a tad optimistic about Whitehall officials sitting down for negotiations at the Palacio San Martin within a year.
My most optimistic estimate (if no commercial oil is founded) is 2014……
Anyhow, hope Argentina treats you kindly
“Let no Paddies serve the Crown”
El Think
Domingo we have had 800 years to deal with the Ingleses you have it right in Spanish where British hardly exists.The people on here mostly incapable of any coherent argument are from peripheral areas of the so called Uk.These regions are very
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0poor in comparison to the South east.There is a very good reason for this as the English elite use
these as their cannon fodderYou won't find many london financial peoples sons in the English army. as of course there is. little or no unemployment.The education system in Britain. for. the lower classes is apalling as any visitor to the North of. England,Glasgow or Wales can verify.This leaves young men. little. option but the dole or the armed forces.This suits the. London elite perfectly who are utterly ruthless in their love of. power.You can imagine if this is how treat their own what they think of others.Argentina must be relentless and focused on its aims as the monent its not in the London elites interest to maintain control over the islands they will sit down immediately not that the poor brainwashed wretches on here will be consulted.
(80) O gara
Jan 16th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe a bit “square(ish)” put but………………….
Who knows the Mr. Hyde side of the English better than the Irish?
#76 - what a load of cr*p ... the IRA were on their knees and that was the only reason that negotiations were possible. Personally I think it would have been better to finish the job than appease them but the socialist labour party thought otherwise. sad .. we were on the brink of victory and the lefties sodded it up again!
Jan 16th, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marxist Irish and Peronist Argentines lol ... a good mix ... doomed to faiure
:-)))
@76, 80: There is some truth in what you say, but the English are not the only peoples governed by an elite of one kind or another. Whilst peoples have won some degree of equality of economic social rights through struggle, there remains much inequality & the economic gap between the rich and poor in most countries is great. I've not seen any one country reach an ideal state of affairs myself yet.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Surely “democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” And really “you can fool some of the people some of the time..!”
Whatever system of governments peoples have, few chose them but are born into them. Even in the best of democracies participation of the people is weak & practically the elite must govern. Change is slow because radical events are bloody & painful
At elections people hope to chose good government & good representatives, but we all know that vested interest wield strong influence through lobby & sheer economic power
I suppose elected & unelected officials have a difficult job; it is a mystery to me what the controlling mind of national & supranational politics is if at all, it seems to shift like sand in wind
Personally, I don't find stereotypes all that accurate or helpful because on a nationalistic level, they are all too often manipulated by those in power
to manufacture bigotry among a people to justify whatever political ideology those in power wish to promogulate
Therefore I do not believe a policy of political pressure is right in the case of the Falklands, rather I would prefer to see the use of the adjudication of the ICJ to help advise or settle differences
Right now there seems to be a growing impasse & sides are taking more entrenched positions. A political “ice-breaker” is needed!
I think all sides & the world recognise the futility of “two bald men fighting over a comb”
For me, Social Darwinism suggests the best strategy is find common ground & cooperate
these as their cannon fodder
Jan 16th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A least we train our cannon fodder before starting wars
Thousands of Argentine conscripts lacking basic training are drafted in a hurry and sent to the islands.
http://en.mercopress.com/2007/06/12/argentine-conscripts-re-live-falklands-nightmare
80 O gara
Jan 16th, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't really know why i'm wasting time on you as you are a complete fraud and about as Irish as I am. Less, probably.
All your 'class war' rhetoric sounds like a Socialist Worker seller from the 1980s. You're not a native English speaker either.
Anyway, had a cursory look at the education tables and they don't support your blah blah. Some of the higher attaining areas are in the north, and the areas that struggle the most have the most spent on them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/12/secondary-school-tables
Well, this poor brainwashed wretch (LMAO) has other things to do on this scorching hot day in the Falkand Islands.
these as their cannon fodder
Jan 16th, 2011 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentineans, you can come to the conclusion that these black men were being used as a “cannon fodder”, and were deliberately being placed on the frontlines. In fact, when you observe Argentina’s history, their government has purposely sent as many blacks as possible to battle in dangerous military service. Not to mention their mission of “killing two birds with one stone” by sending the black Argentineans to war against the Amerindians (Indians), who the white Argentineans despised as well.
(85) Monty 69
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a sick obsession about the origin of posters you are developing :-)
And what a snobbish overeducated academic way of judging them!
Following your extremely stringent grammatical criteria for accepting English writers as valid native interlocutors; an unarguable supporter of the Falklands cause, unquestionable patriotic Englishman and unbelievable bad spelling poster as “Briton” wouldn’t even qualify as an amoeba.
Anyhow, enjoy the good weather….. It won’t last long………
Ps:
Did Mr. M got his piglet?
What a sick obsession about the origin of posters you are developing
Jan 16th, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And this from Think the cyber stalker :-)
”What a sick obsession about the origin of posters you are developing :-)”
Jan 16th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There isn't many people on this website who's origin you have not questioned at one point think.
As a North Walian, and having lived in the Yorkshire Dales and North Scotland , i can catagorically say this lunatic O'gara doesnt speak for Welsh, Scottish or English, in fact im not sure the last time he visited Ireland, but they are in an economoc meltdown along with thier Spanish cousins....
Jan 16th, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Think, dont go thinking this moron is an example of Celtic , as he clearly is as confused as a box of badgers, just a very angry person who identifies with any non salient factoid that points a finger at the English, utterly regardless of any truth...in fact...sounds just like the Argentinean posters on here!
O'gara, i'm Scottish, from Fife to be exact, i can safely agree with what Y Draig Goch says. I believe your O'Gara is nothing more than Mr Tony Barry, the wheelchair bound pro IRA supporter that has been hounding various facebook pages. I have read your scripts many times.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does it hurt your pride knowing that Britian had to bail you out of your current economical difficulties??
Hi Hamster, im afraid this person doesnt care about real world facts, its blinkers on, ear muffs fitted, eyes shut and rant at England...which became Britain when he realised welsh and now scots dont share his nonsense. We rather suspect he's Argentinean, as i dont think even the boggiest bog trotter would dare whinge about ehe UK after bailing them out recently!
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0o'gara you'll just keep getting your posts removed talking in spanish
Jan 16th, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... overeducated academic ...”
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, your marxism is showing ...... :-)
Yes the tsarists are back ! us evil Brits yrrrgh
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 094, You should learn Spanish,very useful in a few years.
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When i go to Spain in hols you mean? no thanks, prefer Greece anytime
Jan 16th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 098 Here is the first lesson:
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0M A L V I N A S A R G E N T I N A S
you moron its G R E E C E !
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Anyhow, enjoy the good weather….. It won’t last long………”
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wow, has old plastic face got 'control' over the weather in the Falklands now? should we be worried?
Oh I see ... GREECEARGENTINAS ...... now that explains a lot :-)
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0nah comeon dont have a go at the greeks, they aint perfect but they at least gave the world science, maths, medicine...the argies? well....leave it there shall i!
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0think thank you for your kind words.No I am not in Argentina right now but have had the pleasure and good fortune to visit your beautful country many times.As you can see from the vehemance of their replies it is quite easy to get up the nose of those from the english periphery who by. economic neccesity fight their wars for them.Until we got rid of them it used to be the Irish in large part who did their dirty work.But we have se. en here that it is the local threatened collaborators who are the most. venemous hence our friends here and of course the planters on the. Malvinas.But these don't matter its the money men in London.Look. how. they saw the light in their precious Hong Kong no talk of self determination. there nor will there be when South Americas business becomes too big to keep losing.My friendd are correct about the loan where England contributed a small part to a EU package at a very high rate not out of any ove for us but to finsnce Irelands imports from England which are bigger than the BRIC countries combined
Jan 17th, 2011 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Today, millions of residents of Great Britain are either from the island of Ireland or have Irish ancestry. It is estimated that as many as six million people living in the UK have an Irish grandparent
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0And thats the ones too lazy to travel far from Ireland,the old country would be quite crowded if the plastic paddies all fucked off back to the old country
@65 etc. quite an interesting if biased slant on history there snr o'gara but wholely irrelevant to the Falkland lslands(get it right, senor, the Falklands NOT malvinas-they only exist in fevered Argentine imagination!). and the Falklands do not belong to Santa Cruz province. more like Santa Cruz province belongs to the Falkland lslands.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rambling a bit, you and your new friend Think.
1)Chile will trust Argentina when hell freezes over. And who can blame them? Nobody trusts Argentina. ask their neighbours.
2)Before the ira destroyed London, l'm sure that MI6 would have destroyed every large lrish city.
lnteresting as all this is(more hyperthetical senarioes senor think?)it does not detract one whit from the sovereignty of the Falkland lslands.
They are OURS, not yours and we mean to keep them.So cry, scream, shout,rant & rave all you like. l forgot“threaten” you're good at that!
We will just ignore you. Ciao
(104) O gara
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Look how they saw the light in their precious Hong Kong no talk of self determination there nor will there be when South Americas business becomes too big to keep losing.”
I say:
Well…… The Hong Kong issue is, as a matter of fact, the foundation of the present Argentine strategy against Great Britain.
As you correctly pointed out, the only way to interact or communicate with these people is by threatening their profits.
It is no coincidence that the few intelligent British posters in here refuse to even “Think” about HK.
Their official standard response, when presented with the Hong Kong issue is: “We had a 100 years old agreement with the Chinese.”
HA(ughty), HA(ughty), HA(ughty)…………….
So much for the inalienable self-determination right of 7 million Hongkongese*!!!
*(including ~ 100.000 British citizens of pure White Anglo-Saxon Protestant stock.)
“Their official standard response, when presented with the Hong Kong issue is: “We had a 100 years old agreement with the Chinese.””
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What of it think? that was indeed the case with Hong Kong, no such agreement exists with Argentina regarding the Falklands, shame for you eh?
spot on Think this is why the situation will change quicker than most imagine.Isolde your hysteria merely show your worries.These worries are real as aCristina Kirchners policies of close ties with Argentinas neighbours are bearing fruit with trade growing on the continent at incredible speed.Brasil has seen quickly the benefits of this and Chile is going the same road so I guess you sre going to be even more shrill in future.You are absolutely correct when you state the Malvinas aren't mine,Ireland has no claim whatever to them.Dontt delude yourself about the north of Ireland it was only after Canary Wharf that the mandarins in Whitehall changed from their line of Belfadt being as British as Finchly.Another one that changed quickly as the economics of the situation became apparent I am not threatening anyone merely analysing the situation.You feel threatened because you recognize the merits of what I propose.Our sun reading friend junta should move on a little buy proper newspapers and recognize Argentina has been a democracy in the last 28 years.As for 6 million of Irish decent in England there are 40 million in the US,big communities in Australia,Canada,New Zealand and 500000 in Argentina.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hasn't been any change in the last 178 years. Unlikely that there'll be any in the next 178. Financials involve futures and the Antartic is too important to lose sight of ... south cone economics hardly matter.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ireland's stuffed too. Oh yes, of course Britain has lent in order to maintain the exchange of goods and profits. Why else. We don't owe the irish anything at all. At least they seem to have given up in their spurious claims to 'territorial integrity', yet again based upon a simplistic view of geography.
As for the IRA - they were beaten. Nowhere to go except do a deal, and that's what they did. And I'm not deluding myself. You gaga, on the other hand .....
Hong Kong Think! Quite correct, a deal is a deal ....... even one that was an old deal.
As for Argentina, I've said it before .... 28 years is NOT enough!
128 will not be enough ...... get used to it!
(108) WestisBest
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0The point here is that London had no scruples whatsoever in totally disregarding the right of self-determination of more than 7.000.000 Hongkongese, submitting them to a communist system, just because “The Money was Right”
Some historical background:
In 1860, at the end of the Second Opium War, the UK gained a PERPETUAL LEASE over the Kowloon Peninsula……..
In 1898, the British and Chinese governments signed the Second Convention of Peking, which included a 99-year lease agreement for the islands called the “New Territories.”
In 1984, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher signed the Sino-British Joint Declaration, in which Britain agreed to return not only the New Territories but also Kowloon and Hong Kong itself when the lease term expired.
In short;…………… the British Crown, under the leadership of Lady Thatcher sold Hong Kong and ~7.000.000 Hongkongese to the “communists”, just because “The Money was Right”
What do you “think” will happen with the ~2.500 Malvinas settlers when “The Money is Right” in South-America?
As for 6 million of Irish decent in England there are 40 million in the US,big communities in Australia,Canada,New Zealand and 500000 in Argentina.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0And thats why the grass is so green in Ireland cos they are all walking on some other poor bastards grass :-)
Belfadt ?
The I Ran Away leadership were in the pay of the British
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4877516.stm
Former senior Sinn Fein member Denis Donaldson has been found shot dead in the Irish Republic.
Mr Donaldson was expelled from the party last December after admitting he was a paid British spy for 20 years.
The head of the I Ran Away security was in the pay of the British
By 1980, Scappaticci is said to have been a lead member in the IRA's Internal Security Unit (ISU) for the IRA's Northern Command.[citation needed] The ISU being a unit tasked with counter-intelligence and the investigation of leaks within the IRA along with the exposure of moles/informers (also known as “touts”). Via the ISU, Scappaticci was said to have played a key role in investigating suspected informers, conducting inquiries into operations suspected of being compromised, debriefing of IRA volunteers released from police and British Army questioning, and vetting of potential IRA recruits. The ISU has also been referred to as the “Nutting Squad”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4877516.stm
@ 109 O'gara. you like snr think, presume too much. who ever said anything about hysteria or worries. its what you would like to believe. and if you read my post properly l said that the situation in lreland, now and in the past has got NOTHING to do with our sovereignty.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0l won't say that l don't care about lreland, l have friends there and l love the country, BUT senor O'gara whatever the rights and wrongs of lrish history(interesting as it is!)that doesn't detract from the fact that these lslands have never belonged to Argentina. they belong to us, the people who live here. l really don't care what you or other Argentine posters think. l post here to hear other peoples opinions and to stir up the Argentines. Latin macho men that they are that just cannot accept that they not only are wrong but also lost a war when the odds were in their favour.
Time to split Argentina into smaller countries, hopefully we could get some sense out of one of them. Saludos
isolde you should chillax a little maybe a trip to BuenosAires would do you good.The facts are the English attacked the Islas Malvinas in 1833 and didn't give the residents any self determination not that they did anywhere else either until the genocide was sufficent to make planters like yourself the majority.You say you post here to hear other peoples opinions then don't lose the plot when you read an analysis you don't like.Poor old Junta still being brainwashed by Murdoch what a pawn you are.Certainly English intelligence infiltrated the IRA at ahigh level but Martin Mcguiness is now one of the two top men in Belfast and Gerry Adams could soon be in government in Dublin.Personally that wouldn't please me much but because you are so brainwashed you can't differentiate bewtween analysis and opinion.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Erm O Gara, the Falkands were not “attacked” by the British in 1833. The BsAs garrison was first protested through the correct channels and then when it did not leave, it was removed. Not a single shot was fired.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0And, the civilians were encouraged to stay (but also given the option to leave if they wanted to). Most of them stayed. Some of their descendants still live on the Falklands today.
Perahaps you should get your facts right, because when you spout that sort of stuff it just shows you up as a brainwashed Argie school-boy.
you are laughable o'gara. & l'm not biting, l think you are a troll. please feel free to rave on some more, its entertaining
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Martin Mcguiness is now one of the two top men in Belfast
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mcguiness? Belfadt ? Been away from the old country for a while?
McGuinness British Spy
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article669404.ece
Gerry keep it in the family Adams
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article669404.ece
Think - you're quite wrong. Hong Kong Island was unsupportable without the New Territories as everyone knew. That was why we'd leased them in the first place. And a deal is a deal.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0The money had nothing to do with it............ well it doesn't ... hardly ever:-)
You're getting foolish in your old age!
And the relevance to the Falkland Islands is non-existant. After all we own ALL of those and don't require any 'New Terriitories' on the mainland to support them.
As you are finding out!
Think: My view is in about five years negotiations will begin maybe less.It will take then until maybe 2020 to finish them with Argentina gaining sovereignty.This of course as I say dependant on how quickly the World order changes.The islanders will of course stay and become citizens of Argentina and of course they will be free to move anywhere within the country.Also if they want to return to England that will be their choice too.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes Junta more of the Murdoch press.I suppose it was Britich intelligence which ripped the London docklands apart.Maybe a few of them were property developers on the side.Maybe some of the stockbrokers with friends in intelligence organized its complete destruction as well.I bet a few of them wanted rid of Thatcher and Tebbit too.I suppose when the Provos closed down heathrow for weeks it was the green element in MI5 that did it? The bottom line is you are a mere pawn in the city of Londons plans and are beautifully “educated” by Rupert to keep doing your bit.
@think
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“What do you “think” will happen with the ~2.500 Malvinas settlers when “The Money is Right” in South-America?”
Interesting phrase think, are you proposing that Argentina ' buys' the Falklands from the UK? The fact that it's a bit bizarre to suggest buying something you already purport to own and that the UK government is not going to countanence any such thing notwithstanding just what do you suggest you buy them with? you've got no money, right or otherwise, just debts. I'm not going to lose any sleep over 'the money being right' anytime soon.
What a perfect example of falsifying history by “human reclassification”.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time and time again the Brits repeat in here that “only 4 “civilians” were expulsed” from the Islands and most were allowed to stay.
Well…….
In 1833 it was common practice to colonize the frontier areas of Argentina through military garrisons composed mostly of recruited men with their wifes and kids that gradually became colonists.
British and Argentinean historians know that, The UN knows that, the “British History Experts” that post here should know that.
Have a look at the historical document below:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Soldiers_and_Civilians_who_left_Port_Louis…..
Soldiers and Civilians who left Port Louis on the Sarandí on 1833…
1) Juan Antonio Gomila
3) Miguel Hernandez y su mujer Maria Romero
4)José Barrera
5) José Gómez
6) Manuel F. Fernández
7) Toribio Montesuma
8) Santiago Almandos
9) José Soto, José Rodríguez
11) Juan Castro y su mujer Manuela Navarro
12) Antonio García
13) Daniel Molina
15) Juan J. Rivas y su mujer María I. Beldaño
16) Dionisio Godoy
20) Hipólito Villarreal, su mujer Lucía Correa y dos hijos
24) Gregorio Durán y su mujer Carmen Manzanares, con dos hijos
26) Benito Vidal y su mujer Maria Saisa
28) Joaquín Acuña, su mujer Juana
30) Mateo González, su mujer Marica
31) Viel José
32) Juan Quedy
33) Francisco Ferreyra
34) Máximo Warnes
38) María Rodríguez, con tres hijos
39) Anastasia Romero
40) Encarnación Álvarez
41) Carmen Benítez
43) Tránsita González, con un hijo
44) José Antonio Díaz
45) Manuel Delgado
46) Mariano Gadea
47) Manuel Suares
48) Francisco Ramírez
49) Bernardino Cáceres
50) Manuel Sáenz Valiente
51) Antonio Moncada
52) José María Díaz
53) José María Pinedo
As even the most monolingual of Turnips can count from the list and link above:
A total of 53 Argentineans where expulsed from the Islands.
Any of those “Britis Historical Expert Posters” would care to provide us with a list of those Argentineans, so graciously, allowed to stay?
Yup, 53 people who were members or associated with the BsAs garrison. 53 people who should not have been there in the first place, who were correctly protested by Britain through the correct diplomatic channels and then rightly removed when they did not leave of their own accord. The fact remains. Most of the civilians, ie people who did not form part of or were associated with (wives, children etc) the garrison REMAINED.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think just look at Westisbests last post and see how Murdochs press brainwashes the poor devils so well.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Youve got no money only debts he says.well here are the facts.check www.wikipedia.org/wiki/list_of_countries_by_external_debt
The UK owes 9,088,000,000,000.Thats right 416% of GDP.Argentina on the other hand owes108,060,000,000 thats 35% of GDP.
Get a grip of those stats check them and begin to see the future.
A list of those who stayed? Certainly:
Jan 17th, 2011 - 12:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thomas_Helsby%27s_Account_of_the_Port_Louis_Murders/Residents_of_Port_Louis_as_of_5_January_1833
A link to the residents of Vernet's settlement, all of whom stayed.
William Dickson (Luis Vernet’s storekeeper)
Don Ventura Pasos
Charles Russler
Antonio Vehingar (known in Buenos Aires as Anthony Wagner)
Juan Simon (Capataz)
Faustin Martinez
Santiago Lopez
Pascual Diego
Manuel Coronel
Antonio Rivero
Jose Maria Lune
Juan Brasido
Manuel Gonzales
Luciano Pelores
Manuel Godoy
Felipe Salagar
M. Lattore
Antonina Roxa
Gregoria Madrid
Carmelita, and her two children
5 Further Gauchos (names unknown)
Charles Bratin (temporary resident)
William Drake (temporary resident)
The correct link to the list of the garrison is:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Thomas_Helsby%27s_Account_of_the_Port_Louis_Murders/Residents_of_Port_Louis_as_of_5_January_1833
Even the most monlingual can note the inflation of the list to 53 by inclusion of
a) the garrison which everyone notes was expelled.
b) the prisoners from the mutiny of November 1832, sent to Buenos Aires on board the Schooner Rapid on 1 January, before Onslow even arrived in Port Louis.
The only residents of Vernet's settlement to depart were:
Joaquín Acuña, and his wife Juana
Mateo González, and his wife Marica
And according to Pinedo's account, those 4 opted to leave.
Magnanimous britain allowing those residents to stay in their homes after the invasion; here the list..
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0William Dickson (Luis Vernet’s storekeeper)
Don Ventura Pasos
Charles Russler
Antonio Vehingar (known in Buenos Aires as Anthony Wagner)
Juan Simon (Capataz i.e. Gauchos’ Foreman)
Faustin Martinez
Santiago Lopez
Pascual Diego
Manuel Coronel
Antonio Rivero
Jose Maria Lune
Juan Brasido
Manuel Gonzales
Luciano Pelores
Manuel Godoy
Felipe Salagar
M. Lattore (the last five being Charrúa Indians, sent to the Falklands by the Governor of Montevideo)
Antonina Roxa
Gregoria Madrid
Carmelita, and her two children
5 Further Gauchos (names unknown)
Charles Bratin (temporary resident)
William Drake (temporary resident)
:-) However you cut it boys, the newcomers went and Vernett's settlers stayed. And that's the point. Garrison gone, farmers (with British permission)remaining. Bit of a bugger aint it! For Argentina that is :-)
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain reasserted its soverign rights, Argentina couldn't get a toehold, Spain didn't bother coming back. Job done .... eh, Think ? :-)))
To which add that the settlement at Port Louis was entirely a commercial venture by Vernet, the establishment of the garrison in October 1832 was vigourously protested by the British. The garrison was there less than a month before the mutiny killed Mestivier.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy, that is the entire settlement, some 28 people, 33 if you count those that left. Argentina's entire claim hinges on some 28 people living there with British permission.
Now apparently the garrison being there a month in 1832 before disintegrating is enough. Mmmmm, Cavendish pitched a tent in Port Desire in 1670, Patagonia must be British then.
(124) TWIMC
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I asked for one of those “British Historical Expert Posters” to respond……. and I certainly got one; “Justin Kuntz”; AKA : “Wee Curry Monster” from Wikipedia.
Good afternoon Wee……………
A historical fact from my list/link is that 53 human beings where expelled from the islands……..
A historical fact from your list/link is that 28 human beings choose to stay on the islands……….
Another historical fact is that eight of those human beings that “choose” to stay, (3 Gauchos and 5 Indians) rebelled months later against the British mistreatment, killing five of the bosses.
Well Wee…… you can begin now with your “convenient little lies system” and categorize those human beings so they fit into your “reality”
Be my guest…
Everybody that has had the displeasure of meeting you on Wikipedia knows that you are an expert at that.
I am not wasting my time on you……………..
Take care Wee….
El Think
The 28 had permission ... the 53 did not! And months later? More had arrived too.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The figures don't add up in Argentina's favour.
But even then ALL the Argentines were NOT thrown off ... which is the lie perpetuated by the Argentine version of history. Easily disproved.
Ain't figures fun :-)
UK didn´t expell all argentine citizens, so it´s fine.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hitler didn´t kill all jews, so he is fine.
And Roca didn't kill all the Mapuche, so I guess that's fine too...
Jan 17th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(129) Redhoyt
Jan 17th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you please direct me to any official Argentinean document where it says:
”ALL the Argentines were thrown out”………………….. as you state?
The bloody rebellion that occurred some months after the British invasion of Malvinas, seem to indicate that some of the poorest gauchos and Indios were not actually allowed to leave the Islands but coerced to stay.
Not at all an unusual treatment of the ”Inferior races” by the “Superior British Masters” in 1833.
Sad to see that even today, when brown people like the “Gaucho Rivero” rebelled against British injustice, they are branded by the British as common murderers……(see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Antonio_Rivero ;heavily edited article by…….: Justin Kuntz)
But when white people like Fletcher Christian rebelled against the same British injustice, they are revered by the British as laudable individuals and positively portrayed….
Brainwas anybody?
There were 33 civilians and a garrison of 46 (26 soldiers and 20 wives and children) of which 9 were already under arrest on the Rapid for Mestivier's murder + 9 wives and children on the Sarandí.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 acted voluntarily (22 stayed 10 left)
29 expelled (including 1 civilian prisoner)
18 were leaving anyway.
In March a further 7 arrived and 5 left voluntarily
” Another historical fact is that eight of those human beings that “choose” to stay, (3 Gauchos and 5 Indians) rebelled months later against the British mistreatment, killing five of the bosses.”
British mistreatment? There were no British authorities at the time (they were all Vernet's employees), and only 2 of the bosses were British, the others were French, German, and Argentine. And they killed one of their own, making that 6 people they killed.
Extremely interesting historical facts that can be debated backwards and forwards. However the only relevant and inescapable fact is that at this point in time, the overwhelming majority of Islanders have expressed a preference to remain British and do not want to become part of Argentina. I suspect that for future British Governments and assuming the Islanders views remain constant - that is the end of the matter. Unless of course there is a repeat of the disgraceful 1982 Facist invasion, whereupon Britain will be entitled to use whatever means it deems necessary to resist and defeat Argentine aggression.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#17 Typhoon. This late intervention is only to suggest you to shove your comments referred to my #16 and earlier up yours, together with a Typhoon aircraft if there's also room for one which I'm sure there is.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad to see some of the more prolific Malvinists have downgraded the number of “expelled” inhabitants from “All” to about “half”.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(136) Sassenach
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll have to ask again........
Would anyone please direct me to any official Argentinean document where it says:
”ALL the Argentines were thrown out”………………….. as you Brits keep stating in here?
Besides, the bloody rebellion that occurred some months after the British invasion of Malvinas, seem to indicate that the poor gauchos and Indios were not actually allowed to leave the Islands but coerced to stay.
Not at all an unusual treatment of the ”Inferior races” by the “Superior British Masters” in 1833.....
After A hundred years the losers still gripe about the past.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0give up,, support the british, go home and watch the telly .
Would anyone please direct me to any official Argentinean document where it says:
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”ALL the Argentines were thrown out”………………….. as you Brits keep stating in here?
http://www.embassyofargentina.us/en/home/070402malvinas.htm#origin
After the expulsion of the Argentine authorities and population
http://www.embassyofargentina.us/en/home/070402malvinas.htm#origin
After the expulsion of the Argentine authorities and population
http://www.embassyofargentina.us/en/home/070402malvinas.htm#origin
expulsando a la población y autoridades argentinas allí establecidas.
Besides, the bloody rebellion that occurred some months after the British invasion of Malvinas, seem to indicate that the poor gauchos and Indios were not actually allowed to leave the Islands but coerced to stay.
http://www.embassyofargentina.us/en/home/070402malvinas.htm#origin
During the month we remained in Berkeley Sound, I had much trouble with the crews of whaling or small sealing vessels, as well as with the settlers, who all seemed to fancy that because the British flag was re-hoisted on the Falklands, they were at liberty to do what they pleased with Mr. Vernet's private property, as well as with the wild cattle and horses. The gauchos wished to leave the place, and return to the Plata, but as they were the only useful labourers on the islands, in fact, the only people on whom any dependance could be placed for a regular supply of fresh beef, I interested myself as much as possible to induce them to remain, and with partial success, for seven staid out of twelve.
What a shame Argentina thinks so bad of us, when our goverment calls you our friend
Jan 17th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@123
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Senor O Gara, If I'm so brainwashed then lets just wait and see when 'the money is right', I'll bookmark this thread so I can refer you back to it every decade or so, pretty pointless mind, I can't see the 'money is right' scenario occuring in my lifetime (or ever for that point)
Interesting stats BTW Britains debt 416% of GDP, Argentinas debt 35% of GDP....yet Britain still has (far) better credit rating than Argentina....read into that what you will.
Losers.
(139) dab14763
Jan 17th, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I asked for anybody to direct me to any official Argentinean document where it says:
”ALL the Argentines were thrown out”
***(Please notice the word ”ALL” in capital letters)***
As Hoytred writes in his post No. 129:
”But even then ALL the Argentines were NOT thrown off ... which is the lie perpetuated by the Argentine version of history”
***(Please notice the word ”ALL” in capital letters)***
Or the ”Sassenach” writes at his post No. 136:
”Glad to see some of the more prolific Malvinists have downgraded the number of “expelled” inhabitants from “All” to about “half”.
***(Please notice the word ”ALL” in capital letters)***
Well……….
Dab 14763; you send me three links…………… but in none of them can I find the word ”ALL”.
Who is lying?
Brainwash anybody?
Not in Uppercase, not in Lowercase nor in Spanish………
Fixate on the word “all” as much as you like think.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“After the expulsion of the Argentine authorities and population”
And
“After the expulsion of all the Argentine authorities and population”
Means the exact same thing. It's still the same accusation which, isn't true. Cry about semantics all you like.
What Zethee said. 'THE Argentine authorities and population' means the whole population.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh sorry El Thicko, did I spoil your little diatribe by providing objective historical evidence?
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us reprise.
You claimed on the basis of a text in wikisource, provided by a close personal friend of mine by the way, that the garrison was expelled and the garrison was “Argentina's settlement”.
Oops, the garrison wasn't “Argentina's settlement” and after posting further links to wikisource by the same editor he tries to avoid scrutiny by resorting to a tried and true tactic of attacking the poster.
The facts:
Vernet's settlement established in 1828 with British permission wasn't expelled.
The garrison established in October 1832, disputed by the British consulate, was politely asked to leave on 3 January 1833.
The settlement established by Vernet with British permission, continued. Modern Falklanders can trace ancestry to that settlement.
No matter how loudly you try and distract attention, you've been caught bang to rights lying again.
Think - Dab's dealt with it ... “ The ....” indicating ALL. As you know quite well of course.
Jan 17th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Dab, saved me a job. If one revisionist version of history is not going well, select another ..... typical Argentine it would seem!
Anyway, good morning all. Islands still British? Yes! Bloody wonderful, so God's in his heaven and all is well in the (British) world :-)
We have a consensus then……
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0British pirates expulsed 56 persons from Malvinas,
British pirates forced 28 persons to stay in Malvinas.
Later on, 8 of those desperate prisoners killed 5 of the Brutish kapos.
Is that right Wee?
No, think. You are still lying.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0But he's an Argentine ... twisting history to make a case is part of the company song!
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0And only their foolish neighbours believe them ...... maybe :-)
Born a liar- live a liar die a liar
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some things never change
see the pattern; they didn´t expell gauchos because they need to control the 200k cattle.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 01833 was cuatrerism at large scale.
Remember Antonina Roxa!
Jan 18th, 2011 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0#145“was politely asked to leave on 3 January 1833.”
Jan 18th, 2011 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0This polite Brits a few years before that failed miserably to invaded Buenos Aires, in two different occasions. I wonder what excuse Mr 145 would it used if Whitelock and his 8000 polite british soldiers had accomplished their objective?
Most likely similar lies that Brits use to hold Malvinas as a colony in the year 2011.
That's the big lie working right there at @151, even when exposed they can't believe it and invent another explanation to explain it all away; total indoctrination, they are completely insane.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think & Ogara(and most other Argentine posters), Liars & Losers. And as Wireless said, completely insane. Like trying to reason with a mad person, a waste of time.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0(151) Billy Hayes
Jan 18th, 2011 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have been reading a bit about those Malvinas Gauchos.
You will have to excuse any historical inaccuracy or outright lie.
The only available historical written material about them is British….. :-)
Seemingly, it was important for the British Pirates to keep as many Gauchos in the Islands as possible to take care of the cattle business……….
Apparently they promised those Gauchos and Charrua Indians to continue and even improve the agreement they had with Mr. Vernet……….
But in fact, the first thing the new “British protected” administration did, was to lower their wages and pay them with worthless papers instead of silver coins, as agreed!
No wonder that our Gauchos and Indians took their caroneros and verijeros and ventilated the throats of those double-crossing gringos……………..
Those “noble savages” were later arrested by the British Pirates and transporter to England.
Shortly afterwards they were mysteriously set free in Brazil.
Strange story………….
worthless paper? sounds more like Argentinian currency to me.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong way round think
Jan 18th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Later in his report Onslow states:
I regretted to observe a bad spirit existed amongst the Gauchos, they appeared dissatisfied with their
wages… The whole of the inhabitants requested me to move the government in their favour for grants
of land.
The gauchos were dissatisfied because they were being paid in worthless paper “currency” printed by
Vernet instead of silver coins.
Onslow sailed in HMS Clio on 10 January 1833, and a few days later another small British ship, HMS
Tyne, commanded by Captain Charles Hope, paid a brief visit to Port Louis (14-18 January). On board
was Colonel Belford Hinton Wilson, the British ambassador-designate to Peru, who spoke fluent Spanish.
He spoke in Spanish to the gauchos, who told him they had been paid in silver by Captain Onslow,
whereas Vernet had paid them in worthless paper “currency”. Wilson reported to the Admiralty:
These Gauchos would cheerfully remain on the Island under any Englishman whom the Government
may please to appoint…
158 you mean the gauchos painted by Dale?
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forgot to add this bit
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vernet’s
assistant Mathew Brisbane had brought more of Vernet’s worthless paper currency when he returned to
Port Louis aboard the Rapid in March 1833 and reverted to paying the gauchos with it. In the end, on 26
August 1833, eight of the gauchos, led by Antonio Rivero, murdered five of the leading inhabitants:
Mathew Brisbane, William Dickson, Anton Vaihinger (a German labourer), Jean Simon, and Ventura
Pasos from Buenos Aires. All these were employees of Louis Vernet, not – as some mythmakers have
tried to suggest – representatives of Britain,as stated the worthless paper currancy was Vernet's not British at all ,Captain Onslow had paid in silver
for the beef he bought from the inhabitants, and Onslow was instrumental in getting a promise from
Vernet’s gaucho foreman Jean Simon that he would continue to pay the gauchos in cash,It was Brisbane that went back on this promise
“But in fact, the first thing the new “British protected” administration did, was to lower their wages and pay them with worthless papers instead of silver coins, as agreed!”
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0You could not have got it more wrong if you tried. The first thing the British did(Captian Onslow) was restore silver currency to the islands and made Vernets foreman Jean Simmon promise to start paying the other gauchos in silver money, Vernets other assistant Matthew Brisbane returned to the islands with more of Vernets paper currency and started paying them with it.
This was one of the reasons the the gauchos murdered five people. Jean Simmon and Matthew Brisbane were two of the people they killed.
VERNET WAS NOT EXPELLED BY THE BRISTISH. The settlement was gunned down in 1831 by US NAVY PIRATE CAPTAIN SILAS DUNCAN WHO, BEARING A FALSE FRENCH FLAG ON HIS 'LEXINGTON' WARSHIP attackend & took the base and declared the arcipelago 'free' for anyone who would come to take it. So much for our 'American friends'
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0(158) Saphira
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Other way around… Why?
The accepted fact is that the British disembarked, expulsed the Argentinean authorities and took control over the Islands in the name of the Crown……
They then appointed or reconfirmed the leaders of the settlement.
By doing so, the British Crown was responsible for the administration of Malvinas and the well being of its inhabitants.
The British intervention caused a great deal of anarchy in the Islands that finally resulted in the killing of the foreign bosses of the settlement by the underpaid Gauchos and Indians.
(Two Brits, one Kraut, one Frog and one Argie if I remember correctly)
“ ... The accepted facts ...” :-) Yeah, right. Your accepted facts!
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British arrived, suggested to the trespassing Argentine garrison that they should leave, and offered Vernett's settlers a better deal which Vernett subsequently renaged on.
The British Administration came in 1834....
C'mon Think .... THINK! All this information is available from independenand sources ... not TELAM!
The “year of limbo”, 10 January 1833 to 10 January 1834
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Captain Onslow had merely been ordered to visit the islands, no more, and Britain did not actually
occupy the islands at that time, though the storekeeper William Dickson was instructed to hoist a British
flag on Sundays and when a ship approached. That was typical of British policy at the time. British
interests were maintained in the cheapest way possible – in the 1830s, unlike the later Victorian period,
British governments were rigidly against acquiring overseas territories.
There followed exactly a year, 10 January 1833 to 10 January 1834, during which there was no
resident official authority in the islands at all, neither British nor Argentinian. There were still British and
American sealing ships, mainly around the western islands, and the settlement at Port Louis continued and
was resupplied from Buenos Aires by Louis Vernet. Vernet chartered the British schooner Rapid and sent
it back to Port Louis in March 1833 with stores and seven more civilians: Vernet’s Director of Fisheries,
Mathew Brisbane (who had left aboard the Sarandí of which he had been pilot), four gauchos, the British
clerk Thomas Helsby, and Ventura Pasos, a well-connected Argentinian from Buenos Aires – he was the
nephew of one of the first rulers of Argentina after independence and was related by marriage to Vernet’s
wife. That brought the population of Port Louis up to 29, of whom three were British, two were German,
one French, and the remaining 23 were Spanish-speaking (18 of them from Buenos Aires). The Rapid
sailed again from Port Louis on 5 April 1833, taking to Buenos Aires a full cargo of produce from the
islands for Vernet, mainly hides and rabbit skins prepared by the inhabitants of Port Louis.
That shows how untrue it is to say that the Argentine population was “expelled”.
as i said above you had your facts the wrong way around,it was not the British who used worthless paper currancy they used silver coins
Think ... arguing history .... wonderful lol :-)))
Jan 18th, 2011 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0History isn't your strong point, think.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does he have one?
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(166) Hoyt
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeahhh….
History is sooooo boring …….
Mostly because “historical documents” are many times no more than wishful thinking or outright lies……
But I luuuuuv to destroy Wee Curry Monster’s modern “convenient little lies” :-)
Anyhow; I have you all against the wall on this one.
You have been one-handed surrounded by my argumentation!
You better spare yourself any more humiliation and surrender now :-)
British poster No. 165 already has: ”The “year of limbo”, 10 January 1833 to 10 January 1834”
Think read carefully,There followed exactly a year, 10 January 1833 to 10 January 1834, during which there was no
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0resident official authority in the islands at all, neither British nor Argentinian.
Against the wall Think? Really? ..... how's the head :-)
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(170) Saphira
Jan 18th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read carefully......
The British crown expulsed the Argentinean authorities in 1833.
The choice of abandoning the settlement without any authority or control was the British Crown’s responsibility.
Any killings, theft or unhealthily flatulence occurring on the Islands during that “Limbo Year” of yours, was the British Crown’s responsibility since they expulsed the Argentinean authorities.
But of course, the Argentine 'authority' had no right to be there at all!
Jan 18th, 2011 - 02:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(173) Hoyt
Jan 18th, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I begin to understand now why those Heroic Gaucho / Amerindian Freedom Fighters didn’t face trial in London……………
Any half witted British lawyer could easily have proved that all responsibility rested on the disregard for the common wealth of the people of Malvinas so clearly demonstrated by the British Crown…………
Better to quietly return and free them in South-America…………..
Don’t you agree?
”Anyhow; I have you all against the wall on this one.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have been one-handed surrounded by my argumentation!
You better spare yourself any more humiliation and surrender now :-)”
The only thing you've done with you're arguments is make yourself look stupid by first getting all the facts completely wrong and then trying to misinterpret them to try and suit your rather pathetic argument.
As for your theory as to why they were not put on trial in the UK. At the time only British citizens could be tried for murder overseas so they were released.
Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah I see that having been caught in a bare faced lie, El Thicko continues to lie more and more urgently to cover up his lies.
Jan 18th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So far what have we seen. A list of the members of the garrison, which he claimed was the settlement and “proof” of the expulsion. With comparative ease I produced the list of those in the settlement who stayed and pointed out the garrison arrived in October 1832.
Ooops.
Now he claims that the “gallant” El Gaucho Rivero murdered the 5 senior members of the British administration.
More lies.
Matthew Brisbane was a naturalised Argentine, Vernet's deputy and those murdered by Rivero were the 5 senior members of Vernet's settlement. There was no British administration.
The intention of the British was to allow Vernet's settlement to continue, supported by the annual visit of a warship. Onslow left on the 7th January and apart from the visit of the Beagle in March 1833, there was no permanent administration other than Vernet's settlement.
The decision to revert to paying in promissory notes was Vernet's, carried out through his agents.
The permanent British administration was established in January 1834, in response to the Gaucho murders. Had they never happened, the chances are a permanent presence would not have been established and the colony that resulted would never have been established either.
That the murderers were not tried in London is down to the legal system in British colonies, where individual colonies had their own distinct legal system, established by Letters Patent (issued in 1841 in the case of the Falklands). Rivero and his ilk should have been tried by military tribunal in the Falklands, the courts of London had no jurisdiction.
The only lies I see, come from the keyboard of El Thicko who caught lying once again, just shouts louder and quicker to cover them up. Stick a fork in this turkey, he's done.
Why do you argies argue abt the years 1833 ect, is it not true that Argentina did not even exist then, or am I dreaming, surely you can only claim anything from the day you become Argentina,
Jan 18th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that case the Falklands existed long before you, and is in fact older than you, so you should show your elder respect, ??
no doubt someone will tell me im wrong
I agree that you're talking rubbish Think.
Jan 19th, 2011 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0As you know!
178 briton,
Jan 19th, 2011 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0pshhhhh... history! I couldn't agree more.
“UK protests Falklands law”
”They (the territories) are sovereign to the United Kingdom, and we condemn attempts by any foreign governments to assert otherwise,“ Conservative foreign policy spokesman David Lidington said in a statement.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0119/breaking3.html
Funny how all our sovereignty complaints fall on deaf ears at the UN and the Chargé d’Affaires in London, how whatever we say gets a laugh and the usual ”So what?“.
Well, why so hot and bothered now?
”Local media said the Argentine law, long demanded by provincial authorities, would mean the local government could collect royalties from oil companies with offshore operations that had previously been paid to the federal government.“
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0119/breaking3.html
I'm no expert, but I can take a fairly educated guess at how high those royalties will be if they're anywhere as high as the shipping costs imposed by SAAS on the route between Malvinas and Rio Grande, Brazil.
Sky high?
See, while you Brits waste your time debating history or warmongering with four stupid typhoons, we cut you off at the knees without moving a finger or firing a single missile. So why bother with history?
”Conservatives would condemn attempts…”
We're not attempting anything, WE'RE DOING IT. SO WHAT?
What can the UK do about? You guessed it…
NOTHING ;-)
Glad to see some more posters entering the fray. Keep it up folks, we've got the Argentines on the run.
Jan 19th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Love your research, Saphira.
Think is lost for words...............
Another idiot with the case the wrong way around!
Jan 19th, 2011 - 09:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can do nothing. Nothing is working. The Islanders appear pretty happy with the status quo and the UK just sits back behind its brick wall.
And the UN ..... well, nothing works unless you've got a veto :-)
haha... sure they are'Redgyt', sure they are..
Jan 19th, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I'm no expert, but I can take a fairly educated guess at how high those royalties will be if they're anywhere as high as the shipping costs imposed by SAAS on the route between Malvinas and Rio Grande, Brazil.”
Jan 19th, 2011 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Right, you aren't an expert. The whole post itself is rather stupid really. How do you expect to get taxes off compnays you have no controll over? This is just like Argentina having a governor for the islands, while not even having the islands. In the real world you can't get royalties off the islands because they are UK territory and Argentina has no say.
“See, while you Brits waste your time debating history or warmongering with four stupid typhoons, we cut you off at the knees without moving a finger or firing a single missile. So why bother with history?”
Actually, it's Argentina who claims the islands through historical means. We are living in the here and now, and support the current islanders right to self determination.
Also, a warmonger is a person or nation eager to startt a war with another nation, in this case Argentina. This is not the case. The only fighting between us over this issue has started from you.
Lastly, you've not cut us off at the knees. Argentina hasn't really done anything.
184 Zethee,
Jan 19th, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Even if commercially viable oil at current prices or natural gas is found, projects require the use of infrastructure in South America such as ports and pipelines, otherwise all of the needed equipment would have to be shipped in.
Assuming the UK finds oil, (not water) are they planning to pour it into super tankers and ship it back to the UK? (or wherever your clients are based) Where are these tankers going to refuel? You can rule out Argentina, Uruguay or Brazil.
Is it still possible? Yes
Is it viable? Spanish-Argentine Repsol-YPF will start drilling as well, with all the infrastructure it needs, right on site. How in the hell are you going to compete?
You never thought Uruguay or Brazil would deny you entry to port. You never thought Argentina would start a similar operation either. You just don't know what's gonna happen. One thing is for sure, you're in South America, and South America is CLOSED to the UK… indefinitely.
Your arrogance is causing you to write garbage before you think it through, that is why these articles go on and on.
Lame...
Don't kid yourself about your fellow South Americans commitment to your cause Martin, last I heard Brazil was still quite happy to service to companies prospecting for oil in the Falklands....or is it all a 'cunning plan' of some sort eh?
Jan 19th, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
185 Martin_Fierro
Jan 19th, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0These articles go on and on because our Argentine friends just can't stop whining. We are happy with the status quo and would be very happy if you'd all just go away, but you just can't seem to stop wittering on about 1833, like it really matters.
I carry on looking because I get a kick out of you Argentines and your neo- colonialist attitude. You keep using words like 'haughty' and 'arrogant' every time we do or say something for ourselves and betray yourselves as the rotten colonialists you are. If we were ever ruled by you, we'd be back in the dark ages. We wouldn't be able to do a thing without your say so, and to be honest, everything you say makes you and your country seem a bit less appealing.
“ ... Is it still possible? Yes ...”
Jan 19th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes !
”Even if commercially viable oil at current prices or natural gas is found, projects require the use of infrastructure in South America such as ports and pipelines, otherwise all of the needed equipment would have to be shipped in.
Jan 19th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Assuming the UK finds oil, (not water) are they planning to pour it into super tankers and ship it back to the UK? (or wherever your clients are based) Where are these tankers going to refuel? You can rule out Argentina, Uruguay or Brazil.“”
Not really as much as a problem as you might think. FPSO Technology makes it rather easy. It's also very easy to build facilities on the islands. Theres a whole other continent it could be shipped to without much problems. Or if absolutly necessary and the ships HAD to go all the way from the UK and the islands ships could refuel at many different places saint helena, ascension island or Gibraltar.
I'm not sure on the exact range of a oil tanker(if someone could let me know?) but modern warships can go 13,000KM without refuel and the islands are only 12734.49km away from the UK.
“You never thought Argentina would start a similar operation either.”
Actually, we did.
“Is it viable? Spanish-Argentine Repsol-YPF will start drilling as well, with all the infrastructure it needs, right on site. How in the hell are you going to compete?”
Who said we need to? Even if the oil industry is a small one on the islands the islanders lives will improve greatly. Not everything is about competition.
” ... BHP Billiton (LON:BLT, ASX:BHP, NYSE:BHP) was hasty in quitting its partnership in Falkland Oil & Gas’ (LON:FOGL) southern licences, according to Westhouse Securities analyst David Hart....”
Jan 19th, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk/companies/news/24741/falklands-oil-gas-city-analyst-believes-bhp-billiton-exit-was-too-hasty--24741.html
(187) Monty69
Jan 19th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”We are happy with the status quo and would be very happy if you'd all just go away”
I say:
That’s what we are doing.... woman!
Maybe if I explain it in ”Desperate-Housewifeish”? :
Some years ago, you moved into Wisteria Lane under quite strange circumstances.
One of the founding mothers of Wisteria Lane, your next door neighbor, does not like that at all.
The other founders of Wisteria lane have, after carefully observing you and your haughty friends from “Up North”, decided to side with your next door neighbor.
That’s how life is on Wisteria Lane.
” Lynette: Do you know what psychological warfare is?
Porter Scavo: Noo….
Lynette: Too bad for you. ...”
Get used to it.
191 Think
Jan 19th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's all wasted on me, Think, as we don't have television.
Happy to live in a place where 'woman' isn't a term of abuse though :-)
(192) Monthy69
Jan 19th, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not abuse….
Frustration :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtUH_bHBxs
Ps:
At least you knew it was a TV show….
@191
Jan 19th, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A compelling arguement Think, well done......
(192) Monty69
Jan 19th, 2011 - 05:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congrats. about “No Telly” lass.......
Devil's invention.
(194) WestisBest
So Laddie...
You have a Telly then. Huhhhh?.....
189 Zethee,
Jan 19th, 2011 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Not everything is about competition.”
LOL
I loved that one, I guess you guys do have a point, this is amusing.
I'm sure the oil companies are searching for oil out of the goodness of their hearts, such benevolent souls… god bless them. ;-)
hahaha
I think you totally went off the deep end a bit there Martin.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Since when does
“Not everything is about competition.”
Equate to:
“The oil companys are doing this out of the goodness of their hearts”
If the oil is there, there is money to be had for both sides. And the islanders will benefit from it even if it's not a massive industry or if they can't “out-do” the Argentinian efforts. Again, it's not about competing with whatever companys Argentina uses. The money will drasticly improve the islanders lives either way.
Ah, so the oil exploration... it's all for the islanders then?
Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason the UK is searching for oil there is because they “claim” to have rights to it and they need Malvinas as a base of operations. (Operations, not processing, there is nothing on Malvinas to process the oil)
This has nothing to do with the islanders, even if they do get a share.
Most people ask, how long can the oil companies support the operation without any oil being found? I say that doesn't even matter.
Whatever you find , too little or a lot (still haven't found a damn thing) won't be viable either way. By doing it in such a remote location without a processing infrastructure near by, the price to support the operation will be too high which equates to high priced oil.
It's a simple equation, you just don't get it.
And the title of this article is ludicrous, “Falklands” is not a real word and “Patrol”?? What patrol??? The UK doesn't have any kind of jurisdiction in Antarctica, much less a military one. It's a nature preserve you morons.
It is a mystery to me why you RG's have such a big problem absorbing facts.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:10 am - Link - Report abuse 01. The UK is not exploring for oil in the south Atlantic - fact
2. Private companies are exploring for oil in the south Atlantic having been licensed to do so by the Falkland Islands Government - fact.
3. The licences are issued/sold by the FIG and therefore the FIG are already making money from the oil industry - fact.
4. Because the licences are issued by the FIG and not the UK, it will be the FIG that benefits from any oil revenues - fact.
5. There is CURRENTLY no processing facility on the islands but that would likely change if oil was found in commercial amounts. Profitability is the key and will dictate what happens - fact.
6. The UK has an existant claim to territory in Antartica - fact.
7. The treaty currently ruling Antartica has not removed that claim, merely prevented any more claims being made - fact.
8. The Antartic will remain a 'nature reserve' until that treaty collapses, which it will, eventually - fact.
9 We DO get it - fact :-)
“Ah, so the oil exploration... it's all for the islanders then?
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't remember saying that either. The companys are there for the money, the islanders will benefit from the industry.
”Operations, not processing, there is nothing on Malvinas to process the oil”
Processing can now be done at sea if needed.
FPSO - floating production, storage and offloading.
As for your other theory - The companys involved would not even be there if there was no way any of the oil could not produce a viable profit. And again, processing can be done at sea now, or facilities can be built on the islands.
As for the patrol i wonder if you've heard the saying about stones, glass houses, and how one shouldn't throw them? Most nations have an icebreaker and and an antartic patrol. Argentina included.
(199) Hoyt
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0FIG?
What is FIG?
Certainly not a recognized government- fact
General Assembly of the United Nations
- List of Non-self Governing Territories -
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonization/trust3.htm
FIG?
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0•Any of several trees or shrubs of the genus Ficus, especially F. carica, native to the Mediterranean region and widely cultivated for its edible multiple fruit.
“Certainly not a recognized government- fact”
Jan 20th, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0I seem to have missed the part where he said it was a internationally recognised government. recognised or not, the government is there and is the one who is licensing the oil industry.
199 Redhoyt,
Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Profitability is the key” ...no shit
Have you ever seen an oil refinery? I have, in person, they're massive.
Whatever you're smoking... you might want to ease up a bit.
One of the largest Oil Refineries in the UK is based at Ellesmere Port, it is on the Irish Sea, and as far as I know, the nearest Oil fields are on the opposite side of the UK, way out in the North Sea, and as far as I'm aware, there's no Oil Pipes running across the UK feeding crude from the North Sea to Ellesmere Port. Crude Oil is brought in by Oil Tankers to the Port.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think this illustrates why deep sea pipelines from the Falkland Islands to the Southern Cone aren't necessary, even if they were practical. Oil Tankers can go anywhere, and it is the amount of oil available that will determine whether a processing facility or refinery needs to be built on the Islands.
It is a decision that the FIG and the Oil Companies will address at the appropriate time, if and when necessary, and it matters not whether RG posters like or ridicule the idea, it is business.
Think - http://www.falklands.gov.fk/
Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0That one, I never mentioned anything about international recognition. They're recognised by the EU and the Commonwealth so that's enough for now :-)
Martian F - obviously from another planet. I too have seen the refinery at Ellesmere Port, it's in Wales ... and if Wales is big enough, then so are the Falkland islands .... of course, the population will grow. But then the FIG have been discussing that for a while now.
before you ask Think - that one - http://www.falklands.gov.fk/
:-)))
Rotted, in the link you posted I can see the “real islanders”(from far away europe) are in charge. Sounds, looks and smells like a colony.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Governor Haywood was born in Betchworth, Surrey, England. The former British ambassador to Estonia.
Timothy “Tim” Rupert Thorogood, the current Chief Executive, born in Barbados.
The Honourable Keith Biles JP
Speaker of the Legislative Assembly
Keith Biles was a member of the overseas staff of a major international British bank for 25 years, living and working in many parts of the world.
He arrived in the Falkland Islands in 1995.
Hon. Emma Edwards
Emma was born in 1971 in Portsmouth, England.
Hon. Dick Sawle
Dick Sawle was born in Sheffield in the UK in 1954
Hon. Roger Edwards
Roger Edwards was born in 1946 in Brinkworth, North Wiltshire, UK
(206) Hoyt
Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You said, haughtily, at post No. 199:
”It is a mystery to me why you RG's have such a big problem absorbing facts.”
You say, a bit less haughtily at post No. 206:
“They're (the FIG) recognized by the EU and the Commonwealth so that's enough for now :-)”
I say:
Would you be so kind to direct me to any official EU or Commonwealth document that recognizes the FIG as a Government?
Fact is that the FIG is NOT recognized as a Government by the United Nations, the EU nor the Commonwealth – Fact.
It is a mystery to me why you have such a big problem absorbing facts. :-)
haha
Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@204
Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Have you ever seen an oil refinery? I have, in person, they're massive. ”
Have you ever seen the Falklands? not massive but certainly large enough to build an oil refinery on and any supporting infrastucture it requires.
“from far away europe” Oh, now that is amusing. “Marcos Alejandro” the guy with a Spanish name accuses the Islanders of being from “far away Europe”. Last time I checked Spain was in Europe...
Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0(206) (208)
Jan 20th, 2011 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I “repaste” my request :-)
Would anybody be so kind to direct me to any official EU or Commonwealth document that recognizes the FIG as a Government?
Wouldn't know where to start looking think, just out of curiosity can you direct me to any official EU document that categorically recognises Argentinas claim to the Falklands?
Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
They don't? Well we'll have to change that then won't we :-)
Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mind you the Falklands flag flies at the Commonwealth Games, the Lisbon Treaty recognises the islands as a BOT and even the UN recognises the FI Legislature ....
Now, you see ... you are still not looking at the bigger picture - http://europeangeostrategy.ideasoneurope.eu/2010/03/07/the-falklands-the-european-unions-antarctic-key/
(213) WestisBest
Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My Pleasure...........
For starters:
The EU constitution will not harm Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands, the European Commission says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4510831.stm
If you want or need more info:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4510831.stm
C'mon.....Did you guys seriously believed that the FIG was recognized by the EU or the Commonwealth as a government?!
The BB* must indeed be much better than the AB*
*British Brainwash
*Argentinean Brainwash
Did you
Does the EU recognise the government of Gibraltar? What do you Think?
Jan 20th, 2011 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Would anybody be so kind to direct me to any official EU or Commonwealth document that recognizes the FIG as a Government?”
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here you go Think. An official EU document which clearly implies that the FIG is a “government”.
http://ec.europa.eu/development/icenter/repository/scanned_fi_spd_en.pdf
No thoughts Think?
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JA - sod, I was saving that :-)
As usual, the comments on these blogs are very interesting and some quite informed but 99% have no connection with the actual news &/or are just reciprocal abuse. Come off it!
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@215
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0pitiful think, a muddled BBC report and the Homepage of the EU website. I said:
“can you direct me to any official EU document that categorically recognises Argentinas claim to the Falklands?”
The document that JA roberts posted a link to is the kind of thing I mean, not journalists interpretatios of what a source told them or some meaningless link to a homepage.
The Falkland Islands are members of the Commonwealth Parliamentary Association. http://www.cpahq.org
Jan 20th, 2011 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not sure how much more recognition our government could ever want. Except of course reconition by the UK, and we already have that.
Glad to see that Marcos has been infected by that obsessive interest in where people come from. It makes you all sound like hillbillies sitting in a bar in rural Texas.
I think three out of five councillors born overseas sounds about right. Emma has lived here since she was a child and Roger and Dick have been here for decades.
Tim Thoroughgood is a government employee, Nigel Haywood is a foreign office employee, and the speaker's role is voluntary and mainly ceremonial.
And what any of it has to do with any of you is completely beyond me. If you don't like it, just go away. I don't presume to pass judgement on the bunch of criminals, incompetents and halfwits that you are pleased to call your government.
TWIMC
Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is that the ”Falkland Islands” are included in the European Union Constitution as an “Overseas Territory of GREAT BRITAIN”.
Fact is that the Falkland Islands are 100% governed and administered by BRITISH citizens; some directly appointed by the BRITISH government, some locally elected by the BRITISH electorate of the Islands.
Fact is that that ~70% of those administrators and politicians are BRITISH citizens born in GREAT BRITAIN.
Fact is the resting~30% are BRITISH citizens born in the BRITISH Overseas Territory of the Falkland Islands.
In short.......
A 100% BRITISH administration of a BRITISH Overseas Territory calling itself “FIG”.
No wonder that the C24, Latin-America and most of the other Countries in the world have difficulties spotting any “Self-Governing” on those Islands……………..
Funny that Think, how the C24, LatAm etc have no problem spotting the self-government in all the other British and European overseas territories.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Methinks it is only you who can't spot it...
222 Think
Jan 20th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is that that ~70% of those administrators and politicians are BRITISH citizens born in GREAT BRITAIN
How the hell do you know that? There are 500 government employees. How would you know where they were all born? And why would anyone care? Some people are very proud to be 8th generation islanders. Most people couldn't give a stuff. Apart from you, it seems.
Ok, so we are a British Overseas Territory populated by British citizens. Is this supposed to be news? I thought that was the whole point. We like it and you don't. Shame.
I don't expect you to understand internal self- government, self determination and the relationship of OTs to the Crown, but I wish you would at least try. You might be a bit less paranoid if you did.
(224) Monthy 69
Jan 20th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My ~70% refers to the “top brass” administrators and the relatively few politicians in the Islands.
Anyhow, that percentage can not be very different for the rest of the Administration.
A qualified guess would be 50/50…….
It is no news for us, Argentineans that you are a full-fledged British Manned Outpost in the South- Atlantic.
Not news for you either…… You are a sincere person……
But that is absolutely NOT the position the FIG wants to present to the rest of the world.
Being a “British Manned Outpost” is not an easily defendable position in front of the International Community.
That’s the whole point.
I consider to have a well informed outlook over concepts as “self- government”, “self determination” and interactions between minorities and Governments ……
But, in the special case of the “Falklands/Malvinas Issue”, its clear for me that the current legal and administrative instruments governing the Islands; have been designed by Great Britain to maximize their control over the South Atlantic, in detriment of all other Countries in the region.
PS:
Would be nice if you choose to turn down for the use of derogatory terms like “paranoid” and similar in our small opinion exchanges…………..
It drives me neurotic :-)
217 J.A. Roberts “Marcos Alejandro” the guy with a Spanish name accuses the Islanders of being from “far away Europe”.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain? I am glad that I wasn't named with an English name, according to your thinking that will make me an englishman...puajjjjj
Malvinas is an old British colony.
“Would anybody be so kind to direct me to any official EU or Commonwealth document that recognizes the FIG as a Government?”
http://www.fig-gymnastics.com/vsite/vtrial/page/home/0,11065,5187-187975-205197-45048-285446-custom-item,00.html
“I am glad that I wasn't named with an English name, according to your thinking that will make me an englishman”
Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I quite agree, which is why I'm glad I have a Welsh name. Anyway, your answer still doesn't explain how someone with a Spanish name living in South America can accuse the Falkland Islanders of being from “far away Europe”. Just a bit hypocritical no?
Just a bit hypocritical yes.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Non sense. And I don't remember any of our immigrants claiming any part of Argentina for their country of origin nor bringing a governor from their kingdom to tell them what to do.
Jan 20th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0229 Marcos Alejandro
Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you for real? You are a country of immingrants and descendents of immigrants who claimed Argentina for your own although it clearly wasn't. And you should get more familiar with your own history. Your forbears brought in a Viceroy to tell them what to do.
Of course you don't remember it, and I don't remember when the governor of the Falkland Islands told us what to do. It's history.
Latin: Si vis pacem, para bellum
Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you wish for peace, prepare for war . said nelson
we will fight you on the beaches, said churchill
we will talk you to death, said Argentina,
, the first two were comments, the last one is brain washing
Argentina are you tryingt to brainwash us,??????????????????
225 Think
Jan 20th, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''But, in the special case of the “Falklands/Malvinas Issue”, its clear for me that the current legal and administrative instruments governing the Islands; have been designed by Great Britain to maximize their control over the South Atlantic, in detriment of all other Countries in the region.''
This is the bit that's paranoid. What other word would you have me use? Deluded? Misinformed? Wrong? Do you know all this and are just trolling us?
We wrote our constitution ourselves,and the UK government have given us the choice about our own future. That doesn't sound like a plan for South Atlantic domination to me. I think you're just saying this because it suits your own purposes. Substitute cynical for paranoid if it makes you feel better.
mmmm Interesting Monty69, perhaps think may have a little grain of truth, but might I suggest he look a couple of thousands miles Eastwards
Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0CHINA perhaps,
(232) Monty69
Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly but not so important:
You didn’t write that Constitution “Yourselves”.
The initial draft was outlined by the FCO and then a long consultative process between the settlers and the British government followed, until the final result was reached.
Secondly but very important:
Who are “Yourselves”?
As we have “discussed” previously:
You are British citizens living in a British Overseas Territory placed in a relatively hostile environment that, with counseling and assistance of the British Government, drafted a Constitution and designed a self-governing system for the purpose of protecting your lifestyle and remaining as British as possible.
In this way, the presence and aspirations of the United Kingdom in the South Atlantic are perpetuated and the Shetlands, Georgias Orkneys and Antarctica with their enormous economical potential are open for exploitation.
Trying to deny it is sheer stupidity……………
Cheer up Think, when the Falklands chooses independence, South Georgia and the rest might be ceded to us, and then your problems will be over :-)
Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt that Monty .. South Georgia was deliberately split away. Whilst the UK will honour its committment to the islanders over their right to self determination, it will want to keep a toehold near the Antartic.
Jan 21st, 2011 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0If anything seperating the Falklands from South Georgia goes to prove that the British DO believe that the islanders have a right to self determination and may get around to using it one day!
(235) Monty69
Jan 21st, 2011 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unpromising plan B (as in B-ritish) …………….based in the customary haughty British assumption that the rest of the word are but a bunch of turnips……………
A pro forma “independence” replacing your current pro forma “self-government” wouldn’t solve any of “our” problems.
Nor yours.............
Ps:
A special thanks for Redhoyt, asserting my point about British South Atlantic geopolitical ambitions .............just in the right moment :-)
Well, you are showing signs of progress Think ... sometimes 2 steps forward and then 1 back, but it's not easy to teach an old dog new tricks. Or even a turnip :-)
Jan 21st, 2011 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are not as important to the future of Antarica as you think. The UK will honour its committment to the islanders although it would be very surprising if they decided to become a part of Argentina and for that, of course, we have Argentina to thank.
The next question in your education is what 'RIGHT' does Argentina, or indeed Brazil, or any of the countries in the south cone, have to dominate the south Atlantic and, thereby, access to Antartica?
It is quite obvious to me that someone in your Government understands this, hence the realtively recent attempt to regroup the Falklands with South Georgia etc. Even though South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are not subject to C24 scrutiny.
The real question of course is WHEN will the US wake up to the geopolital implications of the Antartic? Big one that!
“The real question of course is WHEN will the US wake up to the geopolital implications of the Antartic? Big one that!”
Jan 21st, 2011 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0More likely going to be china the one doing the shaking as they take the throne of superpower over the next 50 years.
(238) Redhoyt
Jan 21st, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”The next question in your education is what right does......................”
I say:
Careful Lad……….....................................You may be “Educating Rita”.
The process could end demolishing some of your English stiff preconceptions and your hard-earned British hauteur.
“A pro forma “independence” replacing your current pro forma “self-government” wouldn’t solve any of “our” problems.
Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nor yours.............”
It's good to hear you dropping your conciliatory pretensions Think, so you say that an Independant Falkland Islands would still be a target for Argentine colonial aggression, well done, you're being honest for once.
No worries Think ... I have a hard 'hat ...”
Jan 21st, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0(241) Westisbest
Jan 21st, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
It's good to hear you dropping your conciliatory pretensions Think.
I say:
What conciliatory pretensions am I supposed to be dropping?
This has been my personal position since my first comment.
Not once have I even hinted that Malvinas independence was an acceptable option.
Nor has the Argentine government.
The Mercopress archives are open and seachable........
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/on-this-day/story-fn6ccwsa-1225992534774
Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 01771 - Spain cedes the Falkland Islands to Britain :-)
Argentinian wordsworth
Jan 21st, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Definitions of think on the Web:
•judge or regard; look upon; judge; “I think he is very smart”; “I believe her to be very smart”; “I think that he is her boyfriend”; “The racist conceives such people to be inferior”
•“
•be capable of conscious thought; ”Man is the only creature that thinks“
•bring into a given condition by mental preoccupation; ”the intelgence of think, Argentinian blogger,
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