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Falklands’ second visit for Argentina’s ‘Rugby without borders’
Scheduled to arrive in Stanley, Falkland Islands on Saturday are members and supporters of Rugby Without Borders Foundation, an Argentine non-profit organisation aimed at using sport as a way of reaching out to people and creating friendship, love, trust and peace. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI think , Rugby without Borders is very good. This exchange help the Argentine and Kelpers ! The second visit to Las Malvinas Islands!!! Well done!!
Mar 09th, 2011 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... the group was approached by a school teacher ...”
Mar 09th, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Let us hope that the school children are not being used for propoganda purposes or to promote Argentina's spurious version of history!
Laudable, if it is what it purports to be. Condescending comments using the words “Kelpers” for the people of the Falkland Islands and “Las Malvinas
Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Islands” for the FALKLAND ISLANDS do not help.
#3, Obviously you are not an islander because the term kelper is not offensive to them.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0#2 Hoyt, Don't be so negative all the time.
I hope that the Falkland islanders , receive these people in the spirit intended.It is a wonderful step forward by the people of Argentina and i hope the Islanders welcome them and engage with them.Even play some good rugby.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 05 Viscount Falkland
Mar 09th, 2011 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I hope too!! It was nice comments.
2 RedRotten
always with your crap comments, man!!
I think you are so sick man! Please, I told you many time!!! stop drinking!!!
Maybe mercopress should have asked the Islanders if there is unrest about the visit i think I will take that comment with a pinch of salt as it could be just some waffle from Juan Bautista Segonds to get more publicity for his trip :)
Mar 09th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 07 saphira
Mar 09th, 2011 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, baby. everything is fine, just is too much with the crap comments of rotten!! just relax!!
If its genuine then good luck to them, he seems genuine.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0But there is a lot of mistrust to break down.
Why do I need to relax ?and who is rotten can't see a poster by that name
Mar 09th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0we'll see.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 011 Isolde:
Mar 09th, 2011 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0You have seen them once and nothing for becoming upset.
A pity that you don´t have a respectable rugby (and female hockey) team there. :-)
Enjoy and take advantage-
The level of distrust here in the Islands towards thjis or any other group is little to do with 1982 - but totally to do with the level of hatred of Argentina and all things Argentine that has now happened here as a 100% direct result of the Kirschener,s Anti Islander Policies of recent years- The Trade and Communications bans and blackmails etc etc.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunatley most off us simply do not trust their word when they say there is no Arg Govt money behind it all. he may well be speaking the truth - but all that has happened in recent years and continues - sorry, we do not trust Argentines . This guy may well be totally innocent and trustworthy - but he comes from the wrong place today.
Hopefully this time he will not bring the cameras as well! That was not so clever last time.
whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttt
Mar 09th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that we dont have a respectable female hockey team ?HAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAA
they won the world cup last year and champions trophy in uk last year
they are very but very good take care of them
Having been involved in Rugby Union for 25 years I can understand that Juan Segonds might indeed be truthful in what he says, because I share the same passion for the game.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islanders might not have a 'rugby' past to receive such comments, but instead will have to judge things on merit, and since 2009 they have been at the business end of a lot of Argentine Government trade restrictions on their economy, and will naturally have a tendency to err on the side of caution.
Snr Segonds understands and accepts this, but with his passion for the game, which is one of mutual respect, he appears to want to work through this and show he wants friendship above all else.
He even states that he will not be referring to the Islands as the Malvinas, but rather the Falkland Islands, out of respect for the inhabitants.
As Isolde has already noted, we will see.
Unfortunately for Kiwisarg, who doesn't share any respect for the Islanders in any sense, doesn't understand their wishes and interests are important, and sees this as some sort of opportunity to promote his own twisted agenda, he immediately uses the term 'Las Malvinas Islands' in English(?) and congratulates the 2nd visit (when in fact it is the 3rd visit), because it will 'help the Argentine and Kelpers'.
Perhaps Kiwisarg can explain how this will be helping, and what he believes it will achieve, so that Snr Segonds can distance himself from Kiwisarg?
Islander
Mar 09th, 2011 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It´s easier to meet argentinos that you can hate, isn´t it?
Or trying to find minor mistakes on those that have good feelings.
I can see that approach only serves the table to hardliners, their business is and always will be hate. They fed from fear, not from reason.
From
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/07/falkland-islands-other-points-of-view
“Kelpers don’t want to be Argies. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want to have relations. If Argentina lowered its voice and allowed contacts with the Falklands, barriers would slowly fall. ”
#16 If that is recognition from the other thread that the comments have merit, fine. Just recognise there is mistrust and why.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 016, Pheel, Your last sentence sums it up. All the ill feeling and distrust in the Islands to Argentina and Argentines today are a direct result of policies of your current President and her late husband. Go back 10 years and it was VERY different - yes there was the Sovereignty dispute of course - but menem had the sense to think OK- the impossible we will not solve quickly - lets put it to one side and agree to disagree on it - and then move forward and see what we can all agree on.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was a much more mature type of thinking- similar in some ways to Spain today over Gibraltar.
You build trust and confidence and good relations over time - maybe a generation or so - and in time the old hardlines and bitterness and fundamentals of both side can become lost in history and become irrelvant to the time now.
10 saphira
Mar 09th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you say Why do I need to relax ?
Because you're going to get old and ugly! Rotten is 2 Redhoyt!!!
The British Army have a good Rugby Union Team, perhaps they would like to play them as well. It would be good to build bridges with decent people. Children are the future and if we can engender mutual respect at that age then things should become much better over time.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that they have informally met with Army players.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say to Islander:
Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- ”It´s easier to meet Argentinos that you can hate, isn´t it?”
Permit me to ”Borrow” your words and say to him and to Saphira, Isolde, Monty69, WestIsBest, Stillakelper, M_of_FI, PomInOz, Bill Luxton, and any other Kelper or belonger that read this:
- ”It´s easier to meet Argentinos that you can hate, isn´t it?”
16 tons of luck for those Rugbiers….
They’ll need and deserve every ounce of it…………..
Trouble is El Thicko, the Argentines they come into contact with are people like you. And we've seen you take great delight in anything of misfortune to the islanders and you wonder why they don't like Argentina.
Mar 09th, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should they welcome a people, who bring up and educate their children to hate them.
Good luck for Rugby without borders, time to build bridges and end the hate.
23 JustinKuntz
Mar 09th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0yes!!!It is true, I think is time to build bridges and end the hate! nice posted
et us hope that the school children are not being used for propoganda purposes or to promote Argentina's spurious version of history!
Mar 09th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ladybug: LIAR!!!
25 Tte Estevez
Mar 10th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If so, what is? this is not a big problem
Ladybug: LIAR!!!
SiEster and Kiwi'sarse - Argentina take every opportunity to promote their lies about the Falkland islands. Argentina has no honour and I would not put it passed them to use school children to promote their spurious cause. I hope it is not so. I assume that someone will be keeping an eye on the situation.
Mar 10th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Going from the recent boat incident, can I assume that Argentina will have to lower their national kit? One for the ladies :-)
Kiwisarg, are you a Maori who had his land taken by some Scottish settlers a hundred years ago? that can only explain your anger to the UK and the Falklands...if you are a Kiwi of course, and i havent met a bad one...yet
Mar 10th, 2011 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt, Are you afraid that the children hear a different side of the story? or that the children might say“ the Argies aren't so bad after all”
Mar 10th, 2011 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Children in Argentina and/ or the islands are smart enough to have and independent point of view without the need of your negative influence from you in Asia or Justin in far away Edinburgh.
Well put it this way Marcos, i've yet to come across a balanced argentiean on this subject, we can only hope your children arent listening to Puricello and Timerman as a source of thier education on the planet.
Mar 10th, 2011 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 028 Y Draig Goch
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is true the first Settlers were Scottish, but after James Cook and his whole gang attempted to take the islands of New Zealand for many years almost a decade without success until the 6th February 1840 was the first Treaty of Waitangi signed with the Maoris. & years before The pirates had taken our Malvinas Islands Argentina, I see that history repeats itself everywhere. In New Zealand population implant was better than in other colonial families came from uk but not criminal.!!!!! you say ...... Can Only Explain your anger to the UK and the Falklands. Only the Argentines want the islands to their original owners. Just that, Ok! All kelpers may remain and and that any Argentine can step back to Malvinas again!!!
Im confused, are you an Argie or a Kiwi??
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0SiEster and Kiwi'sarse - Argentina take every opportunity to promote their lies about the Falkland islands. Argentina has no honour
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0LAdy Bug: LIAR!
33 Tte Estevez
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0you and rotten are a Liars!!
32 Y Draig Goch
I am Argentine my roots are spanish
so why the Kiwi prefix?
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... Only the Argentines want the islands to their original owners...”
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0You should be happy then .... they are!
I wonder if the Argies are giving land back to the native indians they so kindly misplaced? certainly wasnt from the falkland islands, as no one lived here when we arrived :)
Mar 10th, 2011 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 032 Has to be Argie.
Mar 10th, 2011 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The New Zealand education system actually is very good.
@22 Think, don't be so negative, senor.
Mar 10th, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@14 Malen,Pheel @12 was saying that it was a pity that the Falklands didn't have a female hockey team, you silly girl.
#34 Kiwi's arse, I know that you are stupid but SiEster is actually on your side ... LOL
Mar 10th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't worry we'll tell the British Army Rugby Union chaps to be gentle with those Argentine “rugbiers”.
Mar 10th, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Smirk.
(40) Ah you shouldn't have told him. Could have got really entertaining watching them tear lumps out of eachother.
41
Mar 10th, 2011 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so, your biz is...?
29 Marcos Alejandro
Mar 10th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''Hoyt, Are you afraid that the children hear a different side of the story? or that the children might say“ the Argies aren't so bad after all”
Children in Argentina and/ or the islands are smart enough to have and independent point of view without the need of your negative influence from you in Asia or Justin in far away Edinburgh.''
Most of the children I know are indeed quite capable of having an independent point of view. They are capable of realising that not all individual Argentines are complete b&*^%$ds.
However, what you are overlooking is the fact that children read too. They know what your government is doing to harm us, and when you set out to harm us, you harm the children as well. A new generation is growing up with every reason to hate Argentina, and you are doing it yourselves.
DO NOT accuse us of indoctrinating our children. If the truth damages you, then you should be taking responsibility for it.
The indoctrination of Argentine children appears to have been a factor in their unreasonable fascination with the Falkland islands for the last couple of generations at least.
Mar 10th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Told enough lies then, unless you are capable of critical analysis, you start to believe them!
42 My“biz” is my “biz” so mind your own “biz”!
Mar 10th, 2011 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 043 Monty69, Feeling the pressure of isolation or the oil bussiness are not doing that well?
Mar 10th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt “Don't worry we'll tell the British Army Rugby Union chaps to be gentle with those Argentine “rugbiers””
Yes go tell them Hoyt, but make sure you don't bend over...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
44 Red Rotten!!!
Mar 10th, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljm1oymSv1k&feature=fvsr
these are the same British Army that defending our Malvinas slands!!!!! hah, hah. Rotten,Please !!! talk to your friends in the islands that you can make some friends there!!! Probably you will change your bloody humor! ja,ja!!!!
I notice you argies love wikipedia and youtube for your reference material...do i really need to point out the flaws here?
Mar 10th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We also use as a reference material the Official British History....(.before they are pressured to change it)
Mar 10th, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This would be another website that apologises for mistakes and claims not to be fully accurate?....any website that starts with an apology by dear Gringo, should give you an idea as to its authenticity and accuracy. But when has that ever bothered you lot?
Mar 10th, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina doesn't bother with facts when fiction is more suitable to their spurious claims :-)
Mar 11th, 2011 - 12:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0well latin politics are like a flambouyant game show, lots of glitz, glam and no substance
Mar 11th, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 050 Y Draig No, Didn't I tell you the Official British History?
Mar 11th, 2011 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Official British history of the Falklands War is considered too pro-Argentina
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
Another excellent example of honourableness.
Mar 11th, 2011 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Onward to settlement.
Welcome to the Malvinas
Welcome to the Falklands
Ignore the bloody bigots
More crap from MoreCrap ... the 'official' history author failed to research anything before 1982 and was criticised for merely copying other works. He had to apologise and his reputation is shot!
Mar 11th, 2011 - 04:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still whittering on about an honourable settlement Graham. As I've said, the matter was settled honourable when the trespassing Argentine garrison was ejected in 1833. Nothing to do with Argentina as the dispute only lay between Spain and Britain.
The islanders have the last say ... so it is up to them. Argentina can keep its trespassing nose out of their business.
Hoyt, So where the Official British History got their facts(before pressured to change it) from an Argentinean history book?
Mar 11th, 2011 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank God there are honest people in Britain.
Official British history of the Falklands War is considered too pro-Argentina
“It is a question about history rather than support for Argentina”
Prof Freedman, a vice principal at King's College, London
Mr Pepper said: “This work has the stamp of official history. That is the problem. If it was just another history book, then it wouldn't really matter.
Mike Summers, spokesman for the Islands' legislative assembly, said: ”If this was a normal history book it might just be part of a healthy historical debate, but being an official history gives it a certain prominence that it wouldn't otherwise have.
Wrong information is wrong information regardless of whose book it is in. The author apologised and went off with his tail between his legs ... reminded me of an Argentine in fact :-)
Mar 11th, 2011 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Summers and Pepper are right .. the book wasn't very good and if it had not been sponsored by the Government it would have quietly faded away .... because it was wrong!
That all you got to rely on MoreCrap :-)
Freedman relied on his long term collaboration with Virginia Gamba-Stonehouse for his information on the history of the dispute. The main thrust of the book is an accurate history of the Falklands War. As far as it goes that is very accurate. But as even Freedman himself acknowledges Volume 1 contains a number of errors of historical fact.
Mar 11th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50 they can't use that site anymore, I understand it refers to a concept called 'inflation' several times....so now it's banned in Argentina.
Mar 11th, 2011 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Rugby Without Borders Foundation, an Argentine non-profit organisation aimed at using sport as a way of reaching out to people and creating friendship, love, trust and peace.”
Mar 14th, 2011 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas government clowns response?
“A team from Rugby Without Borders Foundation, an Argentine non-profit organisation is returning on Saturday, 12 March 2011 but the pitch is being used for “Festival of Sport.” It is thought the visit has poor timing and should be called off. Last year’s visit was not a success and Councillors are baffled as to why a second visit has been planned”
http://sartma.com/art_8509.html
(60) A better response might have been -
Mar 14th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Is there a replacement venue that can be made available at short notice?
2) How can we work with you to ensure the visit is a success in creating future friendship, love, trust and peace?
Yours respectfully
Rugby Without Borders
Instead you call them “Clowns”. The only Clown is you and people like you. No surprise that any contact with Argentina is treated with deep mistrust by the Falkland Islanders.
“ ... Last year’s visit was not a success ....”
Mar 14th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone know why?
I briefly saw the rugby team training yesterday, and it was good to see that they were alone and did not manage to lure children away with sweets and rugby shirts like the previous time they were in the islands.
Mar 14th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just out of curiousity, M_of_FI, what was the problem last time?
Mar 14th, 2011 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It would seem that they are not welcome ... and unwelcome do-gooders are a pain in the ar*e - everwhere !
Mar 14th, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Rather harsh Redhoyt, if genuine I personally think efforts such as Rugby Without Borders should be welcomed as positive. While people are kept apart they will always be easy to manipulate as Us vs Them. That is more difficult when they are recognised as people in their own right.
Mar 14th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Mar 14th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's why!
Argentinean Animals.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AFC_Q_KI3U
A true measure of success for Rugby Sin Fronteras is when they arrange a fixture in Argentina against a Falkland Islands rugby team (and playing as a Falkland Islanders team, not some “UK team” fudge).
Mar 14th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 063 M_of_FI “and did not manage to lure children away with sweets and rugby shirts like the previous time they were in the islands”
Mar 14th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After watching the video at #67, I did not see anything wrong other than children and adults having a great time.
Think - the youtube cowboy :-)
Mar 15th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0MoreCrap - since when was Youtube good evidence of anything ?
If they, or indeed anyone else, is unwelcome, then they should take the hint!
They didn't look unwelcome in that video Hoyt, I think you must be talking about your visit.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I repeat MoreCrap - since when was Youtube evidence of anything ?
Mar 15th, 2011 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hoyt, Evidence of what? All I see in that video is people having a good time.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Remove your “hate” glasses from your face and you might see it.
TWIMC
Mar 15th, 2011 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rugby is fun ..................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzeeaEsIFLs&feature=fvwrel
Were you there Marcos the Spaniard? Oh, and who made the video? Not exactly independent is it... do you really think RSF are going to make a video about themselves, which portrays themselves in a bad light?
Mar 15th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Mormons leaning on the doorbell ... bloody annoying !
Mar 15th, 2011 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders should welcome them and treat them like any other guest . There's no point in being negative for the sake of it unless they start using the visit as a propoganda tool.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not all Argentines are rabid colonialists.
#77 My sentiments exactly.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is that video if not a propaganda tool? They may not have intended it, as they seem like nice likeable if naive chaps to me, but who's to say how it could be used now it's out there.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have a few other misgivings about this.
One is that although sport should be above all of this, when our cricketers wanted to to play matches in Chile, they and the Chileans got stomped all over by the Argentine government. I don't therefore think that anyone from Argentina has any right to get self righteous about this.
Another is that it is very naive to think that you can separate the personal from the political. Feelings will run high here any time anything like this happens, because Argentina is trying to destroy us. You can't put a positive light on that, and you can't blame people for feeling as they do.
Finally, there are proper channels to go through for this kind of thing. Anyone who works with children has to have a police check. You can't just turn up and start handing out presents to other people's children. And you can't take video or pictures of them, much less post them on the internet, without their parents' permission.
(79) Monty69
Mar 15th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is your duty as a Mother, a Woman and a Falklander to protect your children.
It is not enough just to air such serious misgivings on an Internet site.
Tomorrow could be too late.
There is only one proper course of action!
Denounce them Argies to the Royal Police and get your suspicions properly investigated.
Breaking down barriers always requires a first step. If someone offers the hand of friendship then shake it until they give you good reason not to.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kirchner is as mad as a hatter and using the Falklands as a political tool to further her politics - not all Argentines are like that. The problem is that those that don't care one way or the other about the status of the Falklands have no real motive to shout about it either. It's those that think it matters that shout the loudest.
Another point is that as they are Argentine they'll be pretty rubbish at rugby and easily beaten
In the immortal words of Han Solo, Laugh it up, fuzzball.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no suspicions whatsoever. But I can't see why these guys should be different just because they are Argentines and they tell us they're on a mission from God.
You make some perfectly reasonable points Monty 69.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hopefully the Authorities will have checked these foreigners out when they applied for permission to travel to the Falkland Islands.
That Worried Argentine in Stolen Patagonia should get a sense of perspective.
Well I saw nothing wrong with the video, and no colours or symbols were used to promote any political bent that I could see, but any event where children or vulnerable adults are involved requires that the necessary criminal checks are made by the authorities.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This isn't an anti-Argentine observation, this is normal practice in the UK, and only the Islanders would be aware of any such checks that may have taken place before this visit, it is not for us to judge from 8,000 miles or 350 miles away, this is the business of the Falkland Islands Government.
As far as I can see, this visit is an entirely honourable and innocent one made by a group of rugby players that would be registered with UAR as their Rugby Union governing body, and my only concern here is Insurance regarding any sporting injury sustained by those taking part.
The governing body in the Falkland Islands is the RFU, and unless the children are registered with a Rugby Union Football Club, or through the RFU Schools system (which may require a School Teacher be present) on the Islands they will not be insured by the RFU.
I'm sure that Rugby Without Borders is carrying Insurance to cover anyone involved in their activities, but have they informed the local authorities and population about this?
However, in terms of what Rugby Without Borders are doing, I see nothing that prevents me from giving them my support, and despite my above reservations, which would need to be investigated, I would even be happy to put my hand in my pocket and make a donation towards their costs.
Participation in sport should never be subject to a political decision, sport transcends politics, and I would urge Rugby Without Borders to criticise any political pressure applied to prevent Islanders from representing the Falkland Islands at South American Sporting Events, there has to be a two-way street here.
TWIMC
Mar 15th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Incompatible culture and idiosyncrasy?
My left foot!
Watch and learn, Kelpers………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_AdfRYMWSI&feature=related
At least there at least 24 Argentines with some sense about them, recognising human beings like themselves, not an unfortunate barrier to an increasingly erratic and anachronistic irredentist claim.
Mar 15th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has been effectively doing the same policy to the islanders as it does to the indigenous - invisbilisation. A denial of existence and a denial of contact with Argentina, they kick up a fuss every time the Falklands field a team, for no other reason than it shows that the Falklanders do exist.
All credit to these Argie rugby players who show that the islanders do exists and are a distinct peoples.
@85
Mar 15th, 2011 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why the link to a four year old you tube clip of South Africa v England? What has that, remotely, got to do with the Falkland Islands?
You really are a complete and utter clown, posting the irrelevant.
Interesting comments from clip@85
Mar 15th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Look at those faces.... they're not afrikaners, blacks, or an other ethnicity. THEY' ARE SOUTH AFRICANS!!!!!”
“How awesome to see the White South Africans singing the native words, and combine the afrikaans-good stuff”
My favorite one:
“They know the words!!! And sing them with feeling... puts the English football team to shame. Wonderful”
Think and Marcos
Mar 15th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you pair for real or are you taking the Mick?
Surely there is some deep irony at work here that I am missing.
You can't actually be saying there is anything similar about our situation and South Africa....can you?
Anyway, even if we ever became independent we would still have 'God Save the Queen as our anthem, so if you wanted a similarly lovely moment of reconciliation you'd have to bring your rugby team over here and join in with that. I'm sure you'd learn the words in no time.
@89
Mar 16th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm assuming you mean as an independent Commonwealth Realm, but lets expand this a little for our Argentine friends and any other South American reading this thread, here's an outline of what a Commonwealth Realm is;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_realms
I think even if Independence is sought, there would still be a British presence, I have recently watched a television programme following HMS Manchester, a Royal Navy Destroyer, which undertook a Carribean Patrol, during which it detected and apprehended drug traffickers, and provided support to St Lucia and other countries following a hurricane.
Because St Lucia has Queen Elizabeth II as Head of State, it is only natural for Her Majesty's Ship to render assistance when required and requested by the St Lucian Government.
I would see no difference in providing similar to the Falkland Islands, but any arrangement might be much closer than the example I present above of St Lucia, but determined by negotiations between an Independent Falkland Islands and the UK.
No matter what the Falkland Islanders eventually decide regarding their wishes, I still see a close relationship between the UK and an Independent Falkland Islands, because it is in the interests of both countries.
Wireless - don't mention the Carribean - it's full of people who were implanted and who therefore shouldn't have been allowed their independence. Forcibly implanted I grant you, but implanted non the less ..... shhh !
Mar 16th, 2011 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forcibly implanted indeed Hoyt, but the British government who forced just about three million Africans across the Atlantic as slaves.
Mar 16th, 2011 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 090 Wireless “a Royal Navy Destroyer, which undertook a Carribean Patrol, during which it detected and apprehended drug traffickers”
Yes they love those Carribean Patrol!
“Eighteen sailors face being thrown out of the Royal Navy after they tested positive for cocaine on a warship which has been used to combat drug smuggling, the Ministry of Defence said today.
The crewmen were caught during routine testing onboard HMS Liverpool, which is currently deployed in the South Atlantic.
The ship has seized hauls of drugs worth millions of pounds on patrols in the Caribbean”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050163/18-sailors-test-positive-cocaine-Royal-Navy-destroyer-used-catch-drug-smugglers.html
89 Monty69,
'I'm sure you'd learn the words in no time” :-)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1050163/18-sailors-test-positive-cocaine-Royal-Navy-destroyer-used-catch-drug-smugglers.html
MoreCrap - forcibly implanted = implanted = irrelevant to the decolonization process ! If the implanted Carribean nations have the right to determine their own future then so so do the Falkland islanders. Quod erat demonstrandum.
Mar 16th, 2011 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, as an implanted Spaniard surely you will already be aware that Spain started the transatlantic slave trade. Also, Argentina banned slavery a good 30 years AFTER Britain. So you really don't have a leg to stand on...
Mar 16th, 2011 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0The very real test for' Rugby without Border's would be to arrange a return match with the Islanders able to fly from the Falklands directly to B'sA's on a Falkland Island plane and be welcomed by everyone for a friendly rugby match. Easy !
Mar 16th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0@80Think, thats a stupid statement, senor.
Mar 16th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any parent is protective of their children.
Once before your countrymen came here and put guns to children's heads.
You Argentines will have to earn our trust.
These Argentine contributors do nothing except damage anything that Rugby Without Borders is trying to achieve, they are being undermined with every word written here by their own countrymen.
Mar 17th, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders caution appears to be well founded.
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