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US, UK, France prepare to implement UN Security Council no-fly zone over Libya
United States President Barack Obama called his British and French counterparts on Thursday and the three agreed Libya must comply with a new U.N. Security Council resolution, the White House said.
Obama, British Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Nicolas Sarkozy also agreed that violence against the civilian population of Libya must cease. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd should the no fly zone not work, we've essentially committed ourselves to another large ground war. The army has done nothing less than an amazing job being able to fight two wars on two fronts for years. But even the US is straining from both these wars. The Army can't keep going on forever in a constant state of warfare.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bring em' home.
The resoulution clearly states that it does not authorise any foreign troops on the ground.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I predict the Libyan army defections will grow until he is only left with the mercenaries. It's down to the rebel movement to actually depose him.
sadly this may prove to little to late,
Mar 18th, 2011 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only time will tell now.
but to be fair we cannot fight on all fronts without proper back up.
the UK needs to invest more.
“The resoulution clearly states that it does not authorise any foreign troops on the ground.”
Mar 18th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet have 600 troops, the SAS and mi6 on standby to fly into Libya.
Gaddafi did call a ceasefire after Cameron sent typhoons to the area, doubt it'll last.
Gaddafi did call a ceasefire after UN and USA support action to protect civilians, the libyan leader could not care less about your typhoons but he fears the yanks. On top of all that his defense minister said that his gov. will start blowing up passenger planes if attacked....no to worry if that happens, the Scottish and the English will sign a deal again to release any other Megrahi “wanna” be.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Yanks were offering logistical support only, so it'll be British and French planes in the air MoreCrap.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ceasefire may or may not be genuine or merely a ploy to gain some time. We'll see.
If he starts going for passenger planes then the UNSC will get a bigger majority and he'll be really screwed.
Try and talk sense lad !
“The Yanks were offering logistical support only”
Mar 18th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why you couln't do it yourself? I guess not after the arrest of SAS last week.
About the passenger planes, his minister said that not me.
Offering MoreCrap ... just offering. For the time being we are more than capable. What's your problem? Scared?
Mar 18th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I guess not after the arrest of SAS last week.”
Mar 18th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see how people think the mission was a failiure. They were told to escort the mi6 agent to the rebels and they did. The rebels arrested them - as is to be expected during a civil war. People seem to expect that there only job is to kill people and that somehow shooting the people they were sent to meet would have been a better outcome?
Also, it was the SBS not the SAS.
@7 Morecrap.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Strange comments from an Argentine who hasn't got enough military power to fight it's way out of a wet paper bag.
I'm sure Cristina will be upset, she likes to side with people like Gaddafi/Chavez/Castro, her friends list is dwindling.
Scared of what Hoyt, you nuclear subs? Not really, they get stucked in their own waters.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Gov. was crying the Yanks for help all week, the Americans and some Brits do not want to get involved in another war. The Americans do not get a single drop of oil from Libya so they don't care.
“The British Gov. was crying the Yanks for help all week” Morecrap from morecrap. The British Gov was pressing all week for a UN resolution to enforce a no fly zone.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina must be a horrific place to live Morecrap, maybe you should find a hobby or even a job, something to channel all that hatred & frustration on. Have a beer or maybe an occational legover might also help.
Marcos Alejandro .
Mar 18th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing like a bit of a warm up to remind people in your neck of the wood not to mess with us again. Who is Christine going to get into bed with now, now that one more tyrant is going down. Like Denrich says the list is dwindling, First Castro who has dementia, now Gaddafi, that just leaves Chavez the Chav, Oh I nearly forgot her new best friend Dilma Rousseff a would be terrorist, what is it with you South American countrys eh, its like you have never evolved in the world.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article26800.html
Mar 18th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - Gadaffi has stopped military action because he is scared of our Typhoons. In much the same way that Argentine Pilots, soldiers and sailors were crapping themselves at the thought of squaring up against our harriers.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just cannot bear the fact that the UK is much more powerful than Argentina can you. In fact you cannot even bring yourself to admit it!
When it comes to SAS/SBS. You heard about one mission in Libya. This one of hundreds of operations which we carry out every year to keep people safe (these are not reported at all - or documented for us to read in our lifetime). If you want to read about a past SAS mission I suggest reading about the raid on pebble island and how (according to Argie sources) your troops were too cowardly to come out of their bunker for a fight.
Galtieri was just another dictator we had to deal with. No need to thank us, it was just another day at the office for Great Britain!
14 ed
Mar 18th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you a blogger or the real editor for this forum.
interestinglyinterested
Oh yesPebble Island a nice little day out for us just 45 men of D squadron landed and disposed of seven aircraft while the Argentinian garrison cowered in their defensive positions and only fought back when our men regrouped to move out, poor little fellows, so we had a go back and killed their commanding officer.
Mar 18th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The raid was led by Captain Hamilton who was later killed near Port Howard when he and his signaller were surrounded, he gave covering fire enabling his signaller to get away, The Argentinian commander at Port Howard later said that he was the bravest soldier that he had ever seen.
For all the Brutish warmongers that can not do it themselves without the help and permission of the yanks .
Mar 18th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few hours ago Obama said“ resolution will be enforced through military action.”
Obama said the US was prepared to act as part of the international coalition, adding that US leadership was “ESSENTIAL in shaping the conditions for the international community to act together”.
“The eight-man unit was sent to have secret talks with opposition leaders but humiliatingly the team was detained and held by a group of farmhands.
Britain faced further diplomatic humiliation as telephone calls in which officials in London begged opposition figures in Libya for their release were intercepted by Colonel Gaddafi’s security forces and broadcast on Libyan state television.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363540/SAS-rounded-booted-Libyan-mission-turns-farce.html
Once again the british are laught at for helping those in need.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0by those who would be the first to cry help when it happens to them.
ring any bells, In the end who will the world thank..and who will they laugh at mm
“For all the Brutish warmongers that can not do it themselves without the help and permission of the yanks .”
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you get sick of making yourself look stupid on a regular basis? The plans were going through with or without US help. Obama has stated that the US will NOT lead this action but will play a support role.
“President Barrack Obama on Friday afternoon made it clear that the United States would not lead efforts to protect the people of Libya, but would join forces of other nations to seek goal.”
It has been the UK and France leading this so far, and we are perfectly capable of handling this ourselves but it is an multinational task and all help is welcomed.
As for the SBS team. It has been wrongly labeled as a failiure. They were tasked with bringing the diplomat to the rebel opposition and they did, noone died and the rebels detained them so they could prove there identitys, it is a civil war. The mission couldn't have gone more right if they tried.
We didn't wait for permission in 1982 MoreCrap, and we won't if Argentina goes for the hat trick (1832 = lost, 1982 = lost, 20 ??).
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0The US likes to claim the leadership role, good for their collective egos. It has been quite obvious from the UNSC negotiations that it was France and Britain leading the way on this one.
As said above, more cr*p from MoreCrap !
Marcos - still you cannot reply with any coherent argument. Yes th US are involved because it was an international agreement. I suppose Argentina could be involved but as you lack any modern air worthy fighters it would be unfair to ask you for your support in preventing a pariah state persecute civilians.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0BTW - Does Argentina have special forces or would they be classified as Special Needs Forces?
15 Beef I read about Pebble Island raid , do you know what happen to many of those SAS soldiers after?
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Most of Argentinian soldiers then were teenagers with little or no training, fear is a natural human reaction, I would not call anybody in that situation a coward like you did. SAS professional elite forces are humans as well and I am sure they fear to die like we all do.
If you have time read this story and use your PhD brain next time.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-454382/For-time-25-years-fomer-SAS-man-tells-Falklands-tragedy-killed-20.html
Be careful lads, you don’t want the Argentinean [sas] to climb through your window at night to pay you a visit,
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0[sorry Argentina,] boy that was close, imagine the shock if they turned up ??
“Most of Argentinian soldiers then were teenagers with little or no training, fear is a natural human reaction”
Mar 19th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of the UK's troops were also very young in the Falklands war quite a lot of them being 17. As for training it's hardly our fault that your Armed forces are a pisspot of poor training, we train our troops.
For example: Ian Scrivens and Jason Burt who were killed on Longdon were both 17 years old; Neil Grose who was killed there had just turned 18.
Quite right MoreCrap, those laser guided albatross were a real winner for Argentina !
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Despite our governments hatred of our own forces, we will continue to do the job far beyond our size, the Tornados and Typhoons and the supporting airmen will do us proud.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 02 Beef (#)
Mar 19th, 2011 - 04:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0May 08th, 2010 - 07:10 pm
“ It would make a lot of sence for Argentina to collaborate and will provide a much needed boost for the Argentine economy.
Either way there are other South American countries who to work with the Islands due to the vast dollar value this project has. This will be for BP or Shell to worry about and my investment will be bought out by one of these boys”
Beef you were wrong in all three.
and this has to do with the libyan problem how?? maybe you'll send some multi role fighters?.....oh yeah you don't have any
Mar 19th, 2011 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0“The Stop the War Coalition has condemned Britain and its allies for launching a ”new war“ in the Middle East after the ”bloody and failing“ occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.”
Mar 19th, 2011 - 05:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0In the Commons, Corbyn, MP for Islington North, said: “Is the prime minister now suggesting we should develop a foreign policy that would be prepared to countenance intervention elsewhere where there are attacks on civilians, such as Saudi Arabia, Oman or Bahrain? I hope he has thought this whole thing through.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/18/libya-britain-accused-new-war
Can I assume MoreCrap that you are happy to see the civilians bombed out of existence?
Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, but what about the civilians massacred in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain or Ivory Coast the last few days? Or the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis bombed out of existence by UK and US?
Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am not so sure this new war is about protecting the civilians, when Sadam was killing with poison gas thousands of civilians UK and US look the other way and kept selling weapons to him.
Marcos - the stop the war coalition are a bunch of Guardian readers who have never had to work for a living. I have been to all of the countries you named (apart from Ivory Coast) and can teach you about the complex sectarian tensions in Bahrain and Saudi if you wish. In relation to Ivory Coast there is already a UN mission in country with commitments from a number of nations. Like with Libya it is now up to the UN. Perhaps you could send some troops, do you have any fit enough? BTW - I have listed the acts of cowardice by Argentine troops in 1982 on precious occasions. Do you want me to do it again to remind you and further reinforce my argument?
Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Regarding my comment in May 2010. How can I be wrong regarding a situation that is still in the future. Come back and see who is right when any booked reserves get exploited (probably between 2015-2020 but could be earlier depending on the current appraisal programme)!
Give us time, one thing at a time
Mar 19th, 2011 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when lybia is dealt with, then the UN will deal with the others.
you cannot keep blamming the british every time these countries start killing each other,
33 Beef, I visited those countries as well and a few more around it, and you can not lecture a sheep.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 02 Beef (#)
May 08th, 2010 - 07:10 pm
“ It would make a lot of sence for Argentina to collaborate and will provide a much needed boost for the Argentine economy. (didn't happen and the economy is doing very well)
Either way there are other South American countries who to work with the Islands due to the vast dollar value this project has(didn't happen). This will be for BP or Shell to worry about and my investment will be bought out by one of these boys(didn't happen)”
Beef you were wrong in all three and you have the brain of a sheep.
Macros - Are you capable of getting your tenses right? Like I said, we will see what the situation is when we get closer to production so my post of May 2010 relates to a future event nearer to 2015 & 2020! Re-read my post you imbecile.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 03:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can lecture who I want as this is exactly what I get paid for! Always interesting to see how you respond when you have lost an argument and it is usually something like “you have the brain of a sheep”. Hard stuff hey.
You are well traveled? Come on then. Educate me about the Saudi Gvts policy on funding overseas HE for Saudi nationals; i.e markets, programmes etc. I can brief you on my trip to Jeddah if you like?
From your posts it appear to do not have the IQ to get out of your own street let alone your country.
Now run along and pick up your benefits cheque.
Jeddah Hilton is ok, Dubai is a lot nicer but hot and humid like hell in the summer specially for a sheep like you Beef.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually Marcos, I tend to say in the Jeddah Marriott and prefer the Crowne Plaza Festival City in Dubai. A bit far from the Knowledge Village but much nearner to the airport and that Terminal 3 Emirates Business lounge. I go for the Lebanese Chicken on the evening transfer and the Chana Dhal if passing through early doors.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back to blogg
Mar 19th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the French have shot at Libyan military vehicles, 20 planes in the air,
royal navy helping to enforce the blockade, and the Americans it is said have 3 submarines in the vicinity, all going to plan then,
Try this one next time Beef...make sure they don't put you in the grill sheepy
Mar 19th, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.timeoutdubai.com/restaurants/reviews/2162-asado
Marcos - I know many places to eat in Dubai and don't need you to be my personal google. I only ever stay over for a night or two. My main work in the gulf is in Saudi, Kuwait and (until recently) Bahrain. As my planned visit in June has been cancelled I will be instead in Turkey in May.
Mar 19th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Back on story - looks like we have sent a few Tomahawks into Libya. Watch the fall of another dictator.
We? you mean your daddy Obama.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 05:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Saudi, Kuwait, Baharain boooring places for camels, try Maui or Bora Bora next time.
No Marcos, Trafalgar class sub doing the business. No drop the traveling thread, it is clear you are a poor liar!
Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0US support role , French in charge of operations, British sheeps just follow orders.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About the traveling thread, people like you that take baby sheep steps out of England think that know the World, fool.
Marcos/
Mar 20th, 2011 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't triffle British miltary powers located at Mediterranean..
They have 2 Military Bases which have 7,500 soldiers in Cyprus !
and full of Typhoons & Tornados....
OMG! So why are the French in charge then? Almost forget that your last carrier was turn into a Chinese restaurant or scrap metal somewhere.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“US support role , French in charge of operations, British sheeps just follow orders.”
Mar 20th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All nations are contributing to the effort, though it was the UK and France who pushed for this in the early stages if it gets bigger the US will most probably take the lead role as they usually do.
Hundreds of SAS have been operating inside Libya for three weeks, hardly “following”.
Also you are quite incorrect. A US Admiral is in charge currently because NATO did not have enough time to set up a proper chain of command. Obama has said he wants the US to play a secondary role but it's just the nature of the US to take controll
#46/#47
Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it would be the new North Africa & MidEast Design !
“On Sunday, American B-2 bombers struck targets in and around Tripoli as the U.S.-led coalition stepped up its military campaign and began hitting Libyan military airfields. Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told NBC's Meet the Press that coalition aircraft were now flying round-the-clock missions over Benghazi to protect the de facto rebel capital from strikes by Qaddafi loyalists. Mullen said ”effectively, the no-fly zone has been put in place,“ and said the U.S. was preparing to potentially assist the rebels by jamming Qaddafi's communications and providing intelligence support.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”At the end of the day, when all the talking is finished, my experience has been that the only one with the capabilities to actually pull something like this off is us,“ retired Navy Adm. Willliam Fallon, the former head of the military's Central Command, told National Journal. ”These other countries just don't have the assets -- the dozens of refueling tankers and surveillance planes -- you'd need to make a no-fly zone work.”
“US support role , French in charge of operations, British sheeps just follow orders.”
Rubish total rubish, but their is a grain of truth their ?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the American have done it again, killing innocent people.
sadly things happen, but the main reason the French hit first, while mr camaron was in talks with mrs clinton was because they are french [true] they dont like the yanks that much ,and was once again showing them that the french dont need anyones permission , they went in first,
the americans and british said nothing in public, but in private ??
the british are their with [again] only a fraction of their power,
the Americans again go over the top, ships planes subs, missiles the lot
yes marcos you are correct when this yank says the other do not have the equipment or the assets, for this the blame lays sqarely at the feet of the british goverment, so you are correct, but the british and french are using about or less than 10% of their assests, [my opinion] is that if it goes wrong and ground troops are required the Americans will step in , with maybe the french, the british i think will be exposed as to the cutbacks, but make no mistake this is a joint effort, but are not the arabs already complaining as to how this is being implimented, im not up on this, perhaps you can enlighten us as to why.
thanks
Are you utterly stupid? Read your OWN post. It says three times that the US are leading operations currently then you quote:
Mar 20th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“US support role , French in charge of operations, British sheeps just follow orders.”
Dear god Marcos, you seriously are morbidly stupid sometimes.
The argument is clutching at straws at best, it's a NATO operation which always have revolving commanders each term from a different nation. But whatever makes you feel better at night.
“US support role(they say in case something goes wrong) , French in charge of operations, British sheeps just follow orders.”
Mar 20th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And where are the Argentines, Marcos? Still at home whingeing about the Falkland Islands and crying because no-one takes them seriously. They aren't even following anyone's orders because no-one would expect them to be able to do anything.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Grow up.
Macros - knowing the world is how and why I get paid you numpty (yes that thing called a job). Following orders? ther is a thing called teamwork and if any nation was following directives then why does each nation involved have a separate operation codename and therefore it's own command and control structures. Could it be that all partners have an integrated system?
Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God you are so dim it is seriously sad. If I have the brain of a sheep then I fear I am communicating with a single celled organism.
Now go and sue your education ministry for letting you down.
Argentina's rocky relationship with Obama
Mar 20th, 2011 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Relations between Buenos Aires and Washington since Barack Obama came to power have been less than 'special'.
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is said to be in Mr Obama's bad books after refusing to meet with the U.S. assistant secretary of state for the region, Arthur Valenzuela, in December of last year.
She is also the only major Latin American leader not to have met with the U.S. president since he came to power.
However hopes are high in Argentina for her meeting with Hillary Clinton in Uruguay next week. [but] when Argentina finally meets the great man, all of Argentina will celebrate, and the world will not even notice,
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253878/Falkland-Islands-oil-row-Hillary-Clinton-steps-Argentina-stand-off.html#ixzz1HBCMuwJK
”US support role(they say in case something goes wrong) , French in charge of operations, British sheeps just follow orders.”“
Mar 20th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read your OWN post. The US commander is currently in charge. Not just incase, not if something goes wrong not just in support.
When NATO get sorted out the command will be given out to whomever NATO decide they want to lead the project, this could be a UK, French, US or Canadian commander and will change every few months.
The statement is dumb even you you.
UK and French jets are the ones currently patroling over the country, US jets will join them when they reach the area with Canadian jets. The french started the fighting by blowing up two tanks then the US missiled the air defences along with a UK sub. Then UK and French jets started to patroll the area.
All nations are helping, do you not understand what a coalition is or does the anti british sentiment just help you sleep at night?
If anything the US was the nation to ”follow” into this conflict because they were not too intrested but it was the UK and France whom convinced them to get involved.
Obama said he would like to play a support role, but for now the US in in charge.
Of course the US is in charge Zethe and their planes are involved from the begining, Europeans can not do it themselves, and like I said they call it “support role' so if anything goes wrong they will blame the French fries and the British sheeps.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 11:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef” knowing the world is how and why I get paid”
Saudi, Kuwait, Baharain? I am sure is very hard to find a stupid sheep to go to those ugly, hot like hell, boring countries only suitable for camels, but guess what, they found the perfect dumb to go there, Beef.
A hundred years ago wherever you stuck a pin, you would find a British base, today wherever you stick a pin you will find an American base.
Mar 20th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 02,000 years and Britain is still around, our time has dwindled and we are no longer top dog, I can accept this, America has been around [militarily] less than 60 years, her time is now,, she is top dog, and im ok with that [gives us a rest] but if experts are correct [china next top dog] and the USA will dwindle back into isolationists and withdraw back home, The British will rise again in the future, the world will turn back to Europe , but in the mean time, today, the Americans have the power and the might, that’s ok with me ,cos we have governments that seem to want to shrink ours even further, , but despite our relationship with the Americans good or bad, we can and will always defend the Falklands ,
her time will come, but today the American rules ok.
and the rest of the world can either except this or not, I don’t think the Americans care one way or the other, but ones thing for sure, if the Americans decided to go home , now, think what would happen to the free world, ???
“Europeans can not do it themselves”
Mar 21st, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0That would explain why UK forces have been in the area since before the US even said they would help.
Since Tony Blair probably was fired as Gaddaffi very special adviser I wonder if he is trying to cut a deal with his new friends the rebels.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0When incorrect, divert attention.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Marcos, you have decided to insult another group of nations. How do know they are boring, since you have never set foot in any of them. They are all nations with a lot more money than the great Argentine debt defaulter of the world.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry your poorly trained and ill equipped Argentine forces cannot support this UN resolution. Just stay quiet and watch from the sidelines like always.
So what happens when the day comes, and Argentina want military help, when she wants guns-planes-tanks-ships-ect ect, do we then say NO, Libya fitted all the requirements of sale, if we did not, others would have, not of course Argentina, as you have nothing to sell except childish behaviour
Mar 21st, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef, “Sorry your poorly trained and ill equipped Argentine forces”
Mar 21st, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know and I am glad that we don't waste so much money like UK on that.
Sorry but your well trained and equipped British forces lost the war in Iraq against poor equipped and trained rebels.
But managed to beat your nation.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even so, a number of knucklehead pilots managed to slip through and wreak havoc on the British Navy long long ago.
Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Iraq's British defeat against a few rebels is a more recent one, don't you think?
One question: David Cameron says Libyan leader may be a legitimate target while Chief of the Defence Staff said he was 'absolutely not', can you help me out to understand your leaders?
he is not a legitimate target
Mar 21st, 2011 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if he steps out of line
he will be a legitimate target .
easy, just like cricket ?
“Even so, a number of knucklehead pilots managed to slip through and wreak havoc on the British Navy long long ago.”
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, and you STILL lost, embarrasingly so.
“Iraq's British defeat against a few rebels is a more recent one, don't you think?”
Apples and oranges. The conventional war in Iraq was a complete success and the coalition defeated an army 400,000 with only a force of 300,000 in size in a matter of weeks. Saddams forces lost 9000 men while the coalition only lost 200.
Then we found out our reasons for going were false and our government pulled our troops out. The Americans got pissed and called it a defeat, that doesn't make it one. We were not forced from the place our military was not defeated our men were not captured or all killed.
After the removal of Saddam the british armys mission in iraq was to train the Iraqi army, and they did this. Then handed over the city to the Iraq army and the British army was blamed for a wave of voilence what came after they left.
“can you help me out to understand your leaders?”
Seems they aren't sure yet.
“Majority believe Iraq war 'lost'
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0More than two-thirds of the British public think UK troops are losing the war in Iraq, a survey suggests ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6976637.stm
“This week proves our retreat from Basra was one of Britain's great military disasters”
Read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6976637.stm
“Britain suffered defeat in Iraq, says US general”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6976637.stm
Yes, and you STILL lost, embarrasingly so.
Libya
“Seems they aren't sure yet”
So, they take your nation to war, again, and the politicians aren't sure about the objectives?
What exactly do those links prove?
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly what i said in my last post, the Americans got pissed because we left Iraq and they responded by claim we suffered a defeat on multiple occasions.
If you really think you have a point to prove try looking up facts rather than peoples opinions because both those storys focus entirly on how pissed the US were at us leaving.
We did our UN mandate, we was there to train the iraq army and we did, we left on our own terms when we wanted to. It's simply not a defeat. It wasn't a glorious victory either but try looking up the term military defeat then tell me how it applys to this situation.
“So, they take your nation to war, again, and the politicians aren't sure about the objectives?”
The objective is clear: To stop him from killing his people. What they have not decided on is if they have to kill him to stop him from killing his own people they should.
Crazy dictator, oil, UK and US in the middle of all this, no exit strategy, sounds familiar to another war , doesn't it?
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Libyan air strikes: Armed Forces minister admits there is no exit strategy”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8399609/Libyan-air-strikes-Armed-Forces-minister-admits-there-is-no-exit-strategy.html
You may very well be correct, but at least 3 interesting things will be noted
Mar 22nd, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 01, the first ever Arab country to fly military jets from a western-
country in combat.
2, once again Italy wants to go backwards
3, Argentina will not take part, [this is not intended to be insulting to Argentina, as some may view it, ? just an innocent observation [[voice of insanity,]] as many others will not be taking part,,
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