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Cristina Kirchner will head April 2 Malvinas Veterans Day in Rio Gallegos

Tuesday, March 29th 2011 - 19:44 UTC
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Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner will head the main commemoration of Malvinas Veteran and Malvinas Fallen Day next Saturday in Rio Gallegos, Patagonia which will be attended by former combatants and next of kin from those who lost their loved ones during the 1982 South Atlantic conflict. Read full article

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  • Martin_Fierro

    Correction:

    On 2 April 1982 Argentine military forces retook the Malvinas Islands, Argentina.

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Boy talk about milking the cow dry, President Cristina Kirchner will stir up past memories and again try to rally the people again to detest the Falklands islands, I mentioned the other day , about that mayor claiming to / wanting to incorporate , the islands into the mainland, and the Falklands government should have demanded an apology, but what the hell, now Christina’s going to claim her rights to the islands on behalf of the people, Is the Falklands going to celebrate, or shall we give the impression of no interest, but you can bet the worlds, press will be there to help with her proper gander claims,
    more they do, and less the islanders do, the better for Argentina, and bad perhaps for the islanders,
    but then again perhaps im totally wrong sorry, ,[better sorry now than later ]

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    The president, which ever happens to be, always heads the April 2 Malvinas Day ceremony.

    The Argentine people claim MALVINAS, as a COUNTRY.

    Malvinas Islands, Georgias Del Sur & Sandwich Del Sur BELONG TO ARGENTINA.

    ALWAYS WILL

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    If the bitch hates the Army , what is she trying to accomplish ? oh Hold on ! Elections ? when? this year? oh I got it. The K's had one mission statement, destroy the Armed Forces , talk about Malvinas to mask somehow the corruption and what else? Help please??? I hate her , I hate her and I hate her some more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I think I'm done. Thank You!

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Perhaps these in the falklands may help
    http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#q=britains+stealth+unmanned+plane&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADSA_enGB395&site=webhp&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=ukGSTa7pOJGbhQeNiuGbDw&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQqwQ&fp=72236a43159a961c

    http://www.google.co.uk/webhp?hl=en#q=britains+stealth+unmanned+plane&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADSA_enGB395&site=webhp&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=ukGSTa7pOJGbhQeNiuGbDw&sqi=2&ved=0CCMQqwQ&fp=72236a43159a961c

    just a thought

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    I trust 14th June won't be filling up the presidential diary dates Martin XD, I think they officially call that day “Not listening, don't want to know lalalalal not listening...day”.

    Quite a leap of logic in your final post Martin how can you own something, yet still at the same....not own it :)

    I guess I could symbolically claim BA, it doesn't matter if I can't have a sovereign presence, by merely claiming it, it must be true :)

    From this day forth I declare Buenos Aires to be an official province of Lochisbale, and call it New Craughwellshire.

    My budgerigar “Trigger” shall assume my responsibilities and govern the new province from the comfort of my greenhouse.

    Any attempt by the inhabitants to exercise self-determination shall be viewed as a violation of Lochibales territorial integrity and will judged to be illegal, since only Trigger is the legally recognised governor of New Craughwellshire.

    And from now on I will write new Craughwellshire on my wall maps, making it official.

    Of course the above is all a fantasy of my over fertile imagination but like you Martin if I just “believe” it to be true, it must be true LOL :)

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Martin, your disrespect to veterans of this conflict holds no bounds. The article should actually state that “A military dictator in a desperate and vain attempt to hold onto power decided to sacrifice over 600 young Argentines by leading them and the Argentine populace on a pointless military operation”.

    I personally have the greatest sympathy for any family that loses loved ones in conflict, regardless of what “side” they are on and many Argentine mothers, sons/daughters, wives lost fathers, husbands, sons etc. I suppose that you wouldn't recognize the pain that many British families went through (and may still be going through).

    Argentina didn't re-take anything. A dictatorship played a military move for political purposes and the final result was always going to be the same. The only unknown was the number of people killed in the process.

    Now grow up before you open your vile mouth!

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @7 agreed

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    #6 “From this day forth I declare Buenos Aires to be an official province of Lochisbale, and call it New Craughwellshire.”
    You wish, remember your country tried and failed miserably twice, 1806/1807.

    #8 Cabo Menendez or GI Joe, please say hi to W.

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    jajaja!! Marquitos , don't get upset. I was never a “cabo” anyways, people that graduate from “ Colegio Militar de la Nacion” are called officers. I already told you I don't like GW!!!. Anything else?

    Mar 29th, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    4 artillero601,

    The budget after Perón has always been low, I don't think it was the K's that neglected defense single-handedly. Like I've said before, it needs to go up to 2.5 GPD at least, just to restore it, 1.5 is not gonna do it.

    But I also agree with Uruguay's statement, we shouldn't spend ridiculous amounts of money on toys just to say 'look what I've got and you don't'. The country itself comes first, growth itself comes first.

    I think Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Brazil, Venezuela... etc, all those countries need to start development on a joint strike fighter, put Embraer and the FMA together and you can start plans right away. It should be a delta configuration since this is what we're used to with Mirage. Just a thought.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 12:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Martin - I see you have decided to ignore my point 7.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    (3) No they don't and they never will.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    The Day 2th of April !!!!!!........The best day in my life!! I think was for everybody....Agentinien flag in Malvinas Islands Argentinaaaaaaaa!!It was a great day for us!~!!!!! immemorial!!!!!!

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @3Martino, no senor, they do not belong to you or your country, no matter what you say.
    They are OURS. They have ALWAYS been OURS & they WILL ALWAYS be OURS.
    @14Kiwi, were you born then? Hang on to that memory for you will never see anything like that again.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Civilization vs Barbary
    Englishwoman vs Gauchoman
    Isolde vs Martin Fierro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JmA2ClUvUY

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    You'd think it was a football tournament the way Kiwi recollects it.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Anybody remember the “Flower Pot Men”?
    I always hated “Weed”, what a trouble maker.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    “As of April 4 a high definition film titled “June 14, what was never lost””

    Good to see the RG film industry turning out some fiction.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    It seems highly contradictory to me that the current Argentine people and sometimes its government condemn what the Junta did, but they still decide to celebrate the 2nd of April....why not celebrate Veterans day on the day that the war ended...oh thats right, they surrendered....

    The continued hyprocracy of Argentina.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Kiwi - It is very sad that you actually believe that the invasion was about Argentine pride or righting a perceived wrong. It was one man's desperate attempt to hold onto power. He decided it was worth sacrificing over 600 young Argentines for. From your post 14 it appears you support the actions of your Junta and that to you Argentine life is worthless.

    Shame on you. It is because of blood thirsty people like you that the situation is as it is now and why the UK has enough fire-power in theatre to reduce any future bunch of Argentine nutters to dust.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Apparently, in Argentina, anyone with the balls to throw unconscious innocent people out of aircraft over the South Atlantic, is to be praised for being stupid enough to single handedly challenge a major NATO Military Power by annexation of its territory.

    All done in the belief that the same major NATO Military Power would capitulate without a fight, and lose all credibility.

    What an incredibly stupid thing to do, and celebrating such stupidity every year, in praise of the same foul Military Junta, makes Argentina lose all credibility while standing proud to further promote the Biggest Lie in South America.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @22 ..“ innocent people out of aircraft over the South Atlantic” is Gral Pinochet under the same status ? or because he was an allied in 82 he is OFF LIMITS to be criticize what he did in Chile during the same period ? Are we having a double standard here or no? Is just a question

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    artillero - many of us Brits do not think of Pinochet any different than Galtieri. They were both abusers of human rights and detestable. The big problem with world politics is that you often have to talk to and work with detestable people.

    The problem here is that many of the Argentine posters appear to discuss April 2nd like some national celebration of Argentine nationalism and not a time to remember the innocent victims of a war that didn't need to happen. Those who champion the invasion forget two things. 1) Argentina was militarily humiliated and 2) the blame for all the deaths lies directly with the Argentine government in power in 1982. These are the lessons from history that conveniently get distorted by opinionated Argentines.

    What happened in 1982 was not the fault of the UK (government or population) but we had to end it. We gave your Junta a diplomatic way out but they rejected it and preferred to embark on a fruitless military invasion.

    Perhaps those war hungry posters would think twice if face to face with a battle hardened British soldier?

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    “President Cristina Kirchner will be surrounded by Malvinas veterans and their relatives from all over Argentina”

    Surely there's an error there? Shouldn't it be “Falklands losers”? How far from its home base was the British Task Force? How far from its home bases were the Argentine Army, Navy and Air Force? Not only couldn't they win, they couldn't even manage a draw?

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @24 .. let's remember the fallen instead of a “Military Operation” . As to the humiliation that you talk about , allow me to disagree but that's a different issue. Gral Galtieri did not support Gral Menendez like he was suppose to even though Menendez was the military governor and not the guy in charge of the TO (teatro de operaciones). Galtieri ignored the US, Peru and others , that is corrrect ! I'm talking from the military perspective of course and no loss of human blood is worth celebrating....

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Yes, let's suupport and understand the need of a nation to mourn its dead. This is done the world over, win, lose or draw.
    Parents and loved ones need this , and it would be an uncaring and insensitive administration that failed to recognise this and participate.

    But make it into a circus, whip up the propaganda and hate, just because it's an election year - that would be wrong.

    Let's reserve judgement until we see if the ceremonies of mourning, and celebrations of young lives well lived, are mutated into Nurenbergs of Hate.

    I, for one, reserve judgement.

    Mar 30th, 2011 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    What circus are you referring to Geo? The yearly April 2 ceremony in Argentina?

    I will repeat what I said on post #3: The president, which ever happens to be, always heads the April 2 Malvinas Day ceremony.

    It would be complete and utter negligence and disrespect for the President, ANY President, not to head the ceremony. The ceremony is held in honor of those who fought and those who died fighting to defend our sovereignty over Malvinas. And if you think for one second, that any other president would be any less defensive of our sovereignty and our resolve to NEVER give up Malvinas, you are mistaken.

    The same soldiers who fought in Malvinas expect our president, today, to be just as direct, resolved and explicit. This, our president does on behalf of every war-veteran and every citizen of Argentina.

    GET IT STRAIGHT

    Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Let it be known, Martin, my argument IS straight.

    I have no beef with any president, PM, etc, being the chief mourner at an annual remembrance ceremony -

    What I have serious trouble with is if a president, PM, etc, uses the occasion to propagandise and raise passions internally and international tensions externally . . . . . .

    Why would this be done?
    (i) To divert attention from a president's, PMs, etc, internal problems and failures, and
    (ii) especially as a pre-election campaign tactic.

    This is unacceptible morally, ethically, diplomatically and democratically.

    You expect such things in a hectoring dictatorship, but, as yet, Argentina is not one of these.

    Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Save your unfounded speculations for someone else, it's your country that's in trouble, not ours.

    I can tell you with absolute certainty that if the president did not convey an absolute and unconditional will to keep fighting until every sovereign territory has been recovered, ESPECIALLY at the April 2 ceremony, every citizen and every war-veteran would be extremely disappointed.

    WE the people expect this. Who the hell are you to say what we should or should not expect from our president?

    Who are you to tell us what is morally or ethically correct on our own soil? You know nothing about us, you are as wrong as you could possibly be.

    Mar 31st, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Sad, sad, sad.
    Peoples get led by the nose to war after war after war by such invective and *blind* support.

    Mar 31st, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Martincho, we need at least 30% of the GDP for the next 10 years to recoup what we lost in 82 so who is going to authorize that?? I served in the GA3 in 85 and the situation was bad back then, do you imagine now?

    Mar 31st, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    32,
    I don't think anyone is going to authorize that, but I don't think there is an immediate need for it either. As I've said before, the country's development comes first.

    I'm not saying we don't need defense, I'm saying we should be realistic and set priorities. Other countries choose to spend ridiculous amounts of money on weapons, they are however... broke. And we know which countries I'm referring to, don't we?

    Argentina is fighting a sovereignty war diplomatically, as there is no need whatsoever to resort to military action.

    What are your thoughts on this Artillero?

    Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @32 & 33, who cares what your thoughts are................just keep your thieving hands OFF OUR lslands.

    Apr 01st, 2011 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    1963 born Artillero601 (#32) was served for GA3 in 1985 ??? !!!

    Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @35 yul ..???? what are you saying? born in 1962 by the way

    Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Isn't this a bit like the germans celebrating the 1st of September?

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches”

    ”There is a tradition in newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever that mentioned the Nazis has automatically ”lost” whatever debate was in progress”
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    I guess the smart option will be to share the Island between Argentina and England that will benefit both countries along with creating a new path for both, or there may be other options at there disposal both Diplomatic and non Diplomatic.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    'Goebells' also counts as an own goal in Godwin's Law.
    Such a pity that all the best worst-examples in life seem to invoke the Nazis.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @39 Tigre2000. completely out of the question, unless you are prepared to share Patagonia with us.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Share Patagonia with you, haven't you noticed... you live in Patagonia.

    Malvinas Islands are part of Tierra Del Fuego, which is in Patagonia.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    OK... lets say it is like the Ranga suggesting on the 25th that Gallipoli ' is ours and we'll be back!''

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Too late,................... “Frank the Yank”

    You lost.

    No rematch.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    So who promoted you to head banana, sunshine??
    Godwin cannot be invoked in any discussion involving Argentina for obvious reasons. A good example can be found where Teaboy invoked Hitler and the Nazis at #21 in ‘the Falklands are ours forever’ thread. Having a nap then were we??
    The principle could however be applied if , for instance, I replied to you thus… “Herr Think, ………. “ thus implying that your parents arrived via Genoa with dodgy paperwork in 1946….
    Frank the Yank? It seems that many of your countrymen are wannabe merkins but I can assure I ‘m not one. Where I was born, where I live, and where I am at present are all a long long way away from the USA.

    Sorry about that….

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @44 Think, l have worked out where Frank is from but l'm not saying.
    l can tell you this, though, it's not the USA. l'm certain of that.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Oh, jolly well done Isolde.... Twinkle toes reckons he is pretty clever but is just a legend in his own mind for my money...
    extra points for present whereabouts...... but don't tell Twinky that either....

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (46) Isolde

    A lady with a secret.......
    It will end eating you from the inside......
    But always remember: Don't tell him............. Pike :~)

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    Hey Isolde or is it A hole? lol u can keep a bunch of rocks for now
    Because that's the only resource your country England can have until
    the blue and white Argentine flag lands on the Islas Malvinas enjoy
    your can of spam for now. “VIVA LA PATRIA”

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    49 Yawn.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @49Tigre2000, you are sort of idiot that makes us want nothing to do with your countrymen & your broken country. lt may be a bunch of rocks to you but its home to us and you will never take it. l have a blue & white flag as a souvenir. Because of you idiots l am considering using it as a doormat. You call yourself a tiger, don't make me laugh! More like a scared scrofulous alleycat. another poltroon.
    @47Frank, you're dropping clues all the time but nobody notices. Lets keep it like that!
    @48 Think, l have many secrets & you'll never pry this one out of me.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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