MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Argentina promotes world-wide Malvinas discussion under the logo of “It takes two to tango”
Argentine ambassador before United Nations Jorge Argüello is scheduled to give a conference this week in Bangkok, Thailand on the ‘Malvinas Islands issue” and the South Atlantic situation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHaha... Mercosur, can't help trivializing the issue on behalf of the UK, can you?
Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
“It takes two to tango” - cute name
Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Britain say they can't negotiate without the consent of the Islanders, and Argentina can't constitutionally give up her claims, so how would negotiations not result in a cul-de-sac?
What would be said at the negotiation table? I've seen some here say that Britain doesn't want to negotiate because it has 'no arguments'...but it's not exactly going to be British and Argentine historians debating the legality of 200 year-old events...It'd be diplomats working in the best interests of their respective countries.............
So, given that ceding sovereignty of the islands would be an enormous thing, what equally enormous thing could/would Argentina do to match that?
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Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seriously, how can you have a discussion when one country's constitution makes the discussion itself a moot point.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0El tema que nunca se duerme!
Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I've also only just finished my work....
oops...
Mar 31st, 2011 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Post #1, I meant Mercopress not 'Mercosur'... that was bound to happen lol
#3,
Dormir.. que es eso? jaja
@Frase
Mar 31st, 2011 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't Britain let go of Hong Kong some years ago? And didn't it do that even though the local population wanted to remain British, or at least non-Chinese? So what holds the Britan from negotiating with Argentina re the FI?
7,
Mar 31st, 2011 - 04:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good point
Frase “Britain say they can't negotiate without the consent of the Islanders”
Mar 31st, 2011 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Hong Kong people or Chagossians? Did they get their consent as well?
“So, given that ceding sovereignty of the islands would be an enormous thing, what equally enormous thing could/would Argentina do to match that?”
Well, since we did not take any islands from them in UK 8000 miles away is hard to match the return of our islands from Britain.We will say about time and join us for an “asado”.
mmmm... asado that sounds so good
Mar 31st, 2011 - 05:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Argies, it just isn't going to happen. End of argument.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unless you make us, but again that isn't going to happen. Perhaps it is time you grew up and started to think about collaboration.
In relation to the Tango, I hear your president is a few steps short of a tango. Is she medicated?
Oh no! Beef ended the argument!! What now??
Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Collaboration how? Like Spain and Gibraltar?
Do you see Argentina signing deals with you clowns??
DREAM ON
Martin - clowns? How could we be defined as clowns. Funny enough to keep you out of Islands 300 miles off your coast.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would be more than happy to help negotiate deals between the UK, FIG and Argentina. I have concluded educational collaboration agreements in South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Singapore.
The only ones dreaming here are you and your mentally unstable president. We will just carry on our business with quiet confidence!
@7 Hong Kong was a different situation. The land was leased for 99 years and the lease was not renewed.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Funny enough to keep you out of Islands 300 miles off your coast.”
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wish the UK were just as honest with the UN as you are, clown.
It may take two to tango but I very much doubt the islanders have any plans to dance with the devil.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are honest at the UN and a highly effective UN member. Pity you get ignored every time you go there with your self-pity.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you had any balls you would make a legal challenge but this is something you have dismissed. Clearly scared you would be further embarrassed.
It is good to have a visable Argentine diplomacy. It makes every other diplomat in the world feel talented. Is CFK medicated?
'it takes two to tango' is fair enough, trouble is there are three of us in this dance.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Didn't Britain let go of Hong Kong some years ago? And didn't it do that even though the local population wanted to remain British, or at least non-Chinese? So what holds the Britan from negotiating with Argentina re the FI?”
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Completely different storys. Some of the population did want to stay british, but theres no way of telling if that was an overwhealming majority or not. Aside from that legally we had only leased them for 99 years, The people were not of British decent and china had stated on many occasions that if we had not done our legal obligation to give hong kong back they would just invade the island and given it's position they would be completely undefendable.
Even if we had wanted to keep HK, we couldn't.
The Islanders are British, they aren't in leased territory, they are defensible and they want to stay british. So they will.
#18. No, no mate, there's one of us in this dance. This “argument” if it exists is not between the UK and Argentina but amongst ourselves - that is the right to self determination set down in the UN Charter. It is for us to choose with whom we wish to ally, not for the old colonial power and an aspiring new colonial power to fight over us like two dogs with a bone.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0A pail of cold water over the head usually stops dogs fighting - perhaps some of the commentators on here should (metaphorically of course) stick their heads in some cold water before launching into bonkers comment and implied threats.
And some better understanding of Constitutional realities wouldn't go amiss either. ICJ anyone ???
Mmm, I see the conspiracy theories that Mercopress is a stooge for the UK Government continue. Sad, really, sad.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0So another one sided event, with no one who can tear their argument to shreds invited. Sadly no one wants to dance with the wallflower with two left feet. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Clown Martin strikes again- HongKong “New Territories”- the bit on mainland China was always only Leased for 99yrs - and as others have told you - it had- by law - to revert back to China as they did not want to renew the lease- simple! HongKong Island - yes that bit was sovereign British territory - but - notally and practically unsustainable and unlivable on without the new territiries - which is why they were leased in 1898 - so that obviously had to go as well.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0100% totally different to the Falklands Martin.
There is nothing illegal about an Argentinan representative presenting at a university or two somewhere around the world each year on the South Atlantic condition.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One must hope that powerful minds express their opinions in the discussion section, and that the presenter is himself exposed to home-truths.
Then he can report back each year that the world has listened to the Argentinian perspective but has, once more, found it wanting.
It's a bit like CETI and the search for E.T.- you focus your receiver on outer space, and listen for a message. You could carry on year after year after year and the same thing happens time after time after time - nothing. Nobody signalling, nobody listening.
Switch off, go home, and try something more productive - like looking for oil.
“Like Hong Kong people or Chagossians? Did they get their consent as well?”
Mar 31st, 2011 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well the treatment of the Chagossians was abhorrent. I don't think you'll find many who disagree. Would it therefore be right to treat the Falklands like that?
Let's assume though that Argentine and British diplomats are discussing the issue.....How would you convince them to cede sovereignty? And what, if anything, would you cede/offer for them to do so? Could they really be called negotiations, when the constitution has already decided what the outcome must be?
the “asado” is still on. Who is coming? Because of the military conflict in 82 , GB will never negotiate any kind of deal with us, PERIOD !. No PM (Prime Minister) will even talk about, is political suicide so under the “self determination” concept , the islands will stay like that until hell freezes over. Changing the subject, I need a head county for an Argentine-Texan BBQ (no BBQ sauce on the meat please !!! ) Peace out
Mar 31st, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0artillero,
Mar 31st, 2011 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too early in the day to drink man... lol
The islands won't stay like that, get back to it when you're sober.
No BBQ sauce, chimichurri for me... haha
Well, he's right that any politician would be sacrificing there political career in doing so, just look at how unanimous the comments were in support of the Islanders in that Grace Livingstone article in the Guardian (where the readership generally loves a good Brit-bashing) that you linked to.....
Mar 31st, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So....how would they be negotiations and not just demands?
*Their political career.....
Mar 31st, 2011 - 02:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0schoolboy error
Chimichurri on the meat? no problem !! For me salt is good enough. Back to the subject, mutual cooperation would be the way to go. If you can't beat them , join them. Am I wrong?
Mar 31st, 2011 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That was the di Tella/Menem approach. Most/all independent commentators would agree that achieved immesurably more than the 7 years of Kirchner Falklands bashing.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30, what was the situation prior to Menem, I'm talking about Alfonsin, Dela Rua .... same thing?
Mar 31st, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Artillero, if more Argentines would be pragmatic and start to enter the modern world then we could find a way forward.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As it is you have a nutter for a president who like the good life while many in her country have little. You want to see progress then get rid of such narcissist.
29 - Mutual cooperation would be great, I would genuinely love to see a cordial relationship between Argentina and the Falklands. But how can that be achieved without at least recognizing the FIG?
Mar 31st, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(31) Artillero601
Mar 31st, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder you are building up a “following” between the Anglos in here…..
You are just their type….. A “pragmatic” action officer that could serve their interests…..
Galtieri was also well-liked and accepted by the USA………… I seem to remember …
Herewith I include, just for you Artillero601, a link to an interview with a real Argentinean officer and a Gentleman I had the honor to know.
Hope you can find the strength of spirit to read it with an open mind.
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/1998/98-07/98-07-20/pag13.htm
Enjoy
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Mar 31st, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're awfully quick to pigeonhole 'Anglos' and talk about their complexes and misdeeds. Would it be fair to call it an 'Anglo-complex'?
How would these negotiations play out for you? Negotiations usually involve 'give and take', we know what you want to take, but what would you be willing to give?
@think .... this my opinion .Why did he decide to become an officer in the first place? In order to command , you need to obey first. There are morons in any aspect of life and in my 48 years , I saw plenty already. He is maybe a rebel with o without a cause, who knows? He sounds like the “Che” of the Army !! ... changing the subject, what are you suggesting? another war? with what? “ La ley del mas fuerte” prevails in this case.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0--Primero, quiso saber. “¿Por qué hizo eso?” “Hice eso porque es imposible e inadmisible enfrentar a compatriotas desarmados, con armas. Yo, eso no lo voy a hacer nunca”. “Perfecto, yo no lo puedo felicitar pero lo felicito. Váyase”.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JOSE LUIS D'ANDREA MOHR an Argentinian Officer who refused to kill their unarmed countrymen during the dictatorship of the 70's.
Great article Think.
Frase and Artillero…..
Mar 31st, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my personal opinion, the current diplomatic, political, and economical approach to the Malvinas issue is the only workable alternative Argentina has left.
We tried the nice guy approach from 1833 to 1981…. Nothing
We tried the stupid approach in 1982…… (No comments)
We tried the nice guy approach again from 1983 to 2003…. Nothing.
Britain wants the South-Atlantic because they think they can profit from it.
They will only relinquish it when it represents a significant loss.
As simple as that.
true !!! BUT I rather have 50% of something than 100% of nothing
Mar 31st, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True again !!!
Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For instance, an Argentinan oil exploration company could buy exploration rights in TFI waters, which could bring Argentina x% of something. (Is there an Argentinian oil exploration company?)
It's a pride thing - or, as the English say, “cutting of your nose to spite your face”.
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Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you really “Think”, for one second, that the British will give you 50% ?..... Or 5%?..... Or 0,5%
For what?
For the sake of your pretty blue eyes?
Get real man…………….
Yes, a zero sum game; either you have it or we do.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is why there can't be any negociations. What is there to talk about?
And don't go getting any ideas about getting West Falkland either.Crazy idea.
This is the bit that fascinates me;
''We need to generate the proper political conditions to resume the Malvinas Islands bilateral sovereignty negotiations with the UK''
When's he going to start doing that then?
Or is trying to blockade us into submission it?
@41 .....all we can do is try and try and try again. Otherwise, what are you suggesting? keep nagging about it , over and over? I don't really know what the answer is obviously. On the MOHR issue , is better to discuss that in a “Cafe” fumando un faso entre amigos .......
Mar 31st, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 038 -
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”We tried the nice guy approach from 1833 to 1981…. Nothing
We tried the stupid approach in 1982…… (No comments)
We tried the nice guy approach again from 1983 to 2003…. Nothing.“
You forgot the largely indifferent approach for a lengthy period of that initial nice guy approach.
Perhaps it’s not the approach that's the problem, but the objective
”Britain wants the South-Atlantic because they think they can profit from it.
They will only relinquish it when it represents a significant loss.”
The political implications are equally important. No one's going to want to be the Prime Minister that 'Chagossianed' the Falkland islanders.
They thought they could slyly get away with selling them out 40 years ago, but with rolling 24hr news and the internet, they'd be no way of doing the same now without massive coverage and massive implications.
Think, It depends what you determine as success. If your only measure of success is an annexation of the FI to Argentina then you are another victim of the Argnetine disease of setting oneself up to fail.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will never get your hands on the Islands so the only approach is to get the next best thing and that is profiting from doing business deals with the FIG. You can't rely on that expensive heavy grade Venezuelan crude when we look like there will be some nice medium grade oil on the market.
(44) Frase
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I forgot nothing………………..
I suggest that you use other sources than the British posters in here if you want to know more about the Argentinean diplomatic actions in respect of the “Malvinas Issue” from 1833 to 1981.
For example; the so often mentioned “Treaty of Perfect Friendship” of 1850 between Argentina and Great Britain was, “curiously”, signed after more than 5 years of a British blockade that nearly ruined Argentina.
Coercion, some people would call it.......
And please…………… stop playing the victim and simultaneously abusing (again) the Chagossians.
The Island Squatters would be regally compensated in any deal struck by Argentina and Britain.
Just the monies used on the “thievence” of the islands since 1982 would suffice to give every man, woman and child 5.000.000£ ……. Taxfree.
Burns you doesn't it think, a nation going to a great deal of expense to support a principal.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- the nice guy approach 1983-2003- come off it mate! Argentina was the cause of a deadly bloody conflict in our Islands in 1982 and turned peoples lives upside down- that actually takes a bit of getting over!!!!
Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More accuratley the “=nice guy” approach was just from about 1997 to 2003 - a mere 6 years! Now I wonder where we might have got to today in 2011 had that line continued eh? By now you would ahve a generation growing up that never knew the war and could well be thinking a bit different to what they actually do today!
Nope- fact is the K,s have screwed it bigtime - it would take at least a generation or more of Mr nice Guy now to even get back to where we were in 2002!
And the longer they continue attempting to screw us - the longer it will be before anything can ever be rethought again.
UK has publically made it clear time and time again - they have no desire to be here for any reason other than we want them to be - if we changed our mind tomorrow - London might think we were crazy - but they would accept it.
Trouble is that fact does not suit the Argentine argument! £5million a head x 3000 = about 24BILLION US Dollars - didnt think Arg had that in the bank?
(47) Westi
Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you meant “Principle” not “Principal”
But I couldn’t avoid chuckling over your “Freudian Slip”............
You wrote:
“Burns you doesn't it think, a nation going to a great deal of expense to support a principal.”
*Principal (criminal law), one primary actor in a criminal offense for which other actors may be criminally liable as accomplices, accessories or conspirators
Only person I see abusing the plight of the Chagossians is a mendacious Argentine, a little creep who likes to stalk people whilst hiding behind an anonymous pseudonym.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A hypocrite who would happily expel people from their homeland for nothing more than macho pride over an imagined sleight from 200 years ago.
The same slimeball who professes “peace” but promotes the same racist bile that has been exploited since the second world war to unite the people by exploiting the classic us vs them attitude. The same attitudes that allowed Hitler and his acolytes to murder 7 million. The same attitude that allowed the military junta who murdered 30,000 Argentines to enjoy the adulation of crowds of hundreds of thousands.
No one has stolen anything from you, grow up and sort out your own mess.
(48) Islander1
Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are always so “one-eyed”………..
Who ever said that it was Argentina the one to pay you compensation?
You will never get your hands on the Islands so the only approach is to get the next best thing and that is profiting from doing business deals with the FIG. You can't rely on that expensive heavy grade Venezuelan crude when we look like there will be some nice medium grade oil on the market.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0really beef? It depends of the balance of forces...uk is sinking,Argentina is raising.
The Mohrs case? Well why the brits do not start dissolving their military,since was a killing machine of innocent people..No remorse about that from the brits....
We will get the hands,sooner than you think corned beef,on Malvinas..
Estevez, are you seeing the same shrink that CFK is seeing? Are you medicated?
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you put your hands in any position to grab then you will only have yourself to blame when it gets cut off.
UK sinking? Perhaps you should come and visit to make your own assessment.
In terms of growing military strength (the hands) run a comparison search on the R&D of the Argentine military v the UK. No contest really.
Know your place!
May I say ,
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islanders say that they have their own government, but under UK rule,
Or are you actually part of the uk,
We do sometimes get a bit confused,
I understand you are OST but are you actually part of the uk. Like Devon or Yorkshire,
Or a territory over seas with the uk. Protecting you.
As I am not an islander I just need to know, without having to look it up, im sure you guys will tell me exactly ,,,
please,,
Really,Mr beef?england is sinking:The new study shows that land levels could rise by up to 10cm in some areas of Scotland over the next century, offsetting the effects of sea level rise caused by global warming. But in parts of England, where the land is set to sink by up to 5cm over the next century, it could add between 10 to 33 per cent on sea level rises.
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Second,I do know england,I was this summer,and the economy does not look good.Argentina looks much better.....
england is not sinking...hmmmm,the Tube does not look very good in London,not to mention the huge debt...We have discussed this before.....
military expenditure......well is very low in Argentina,is higher in uk,but this can change...for sure....and it will
Beef “UK sinking?”
Mar 31st, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if your little country is sinking but certainly is not doing very well.
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
http://www.debtbombshell.com/
46 - Think
Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I suggest that you use other sources than the British posters ”
My sources aren't merely other posters on here. So, Argentina was constant with the claim between 1850 and the early fourties, and there were no periods where there was little said on the matter, in congress for example......
Anyway, you don't seem to be one for lengthy historic debate on the subject, and neither am I, so....
“And please…………… stop playing the victim”
Playing the victim is a pretty big part of the Argentine claim.
”simultaneously abusing (again) the Chagossians.“
They're evoked all the time in support of the Argentine claim.
The point is that no politician's going to want to commit political suicide and give the islands away, the political considerations are just as big as the economic considerations.
”The Island Squatters would be regally compensated in any deal struck by Argentina and Britain.“
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”Who ever said that it was Argentina the one to pay you compensation?”
You must have a lot of faith in your diplomats. So Argentina walks away with the islands, and doesn't even need to pay compensation? Also, if Argentina’s approach is to hit them in the wallet, where it hurts, wouldn’t it be more beneficial for Britain to keep the islands than pay massive amounts of compensations?
‘Deal’, generally implies some sort of concession from both sides.
So, what would/could Argentina cede to match the ceding of sovereignty?
Regards,
Frase
Our President CFK speaks to the Britons about “double-standards”, meaning they are there to promote Democracy and safeguard the weak ones contries from “evil” but then refuse to discuss Argentina´s claims over the Malvinas. True words. But it is as well true that our President has double-standards toward her country-fellows. I thought long ago she would stand for our Sovereignty Claim with Dignity and Pride given that she and her dead husband were Patagonia-born, that they would try hard to fight down corruption, especially in Buenos Aires a city where 1 out of 2 are goodnatured and seek and fight for Democracy but the other half are crooked rogues/cons who sell our country for their own private sake, shitting on their respected coountryfellows as well as evryone else round the world. We must thank the British for having defeated the Military Dictatorship we had. I for one have been raised under Democratic gov´tments and unlike my parents I wouldn´t like my country to go back to those years of darkness. BUT, after almost 27 years of democracy, our Politicians have been unable to lead us into a better state. There is still a lot to be done before the Islanders might even think of becoming part of Argentina. As I see it, WE Argentinians have remained split over “State Policies”, actually except for our Malvinas claim, we havent ever defined clear lines for our country development in all areas, education, economy, defense, law and order, etc. WE Argentinians, especially most people in Buenos Aires, are too arrogant and brash, we think we are on top. I wonder when day will come when we Argentinians see things thru honest eyes. Our chance to become a real World Power as UK is, is long gone (somehwere between the two WWars). If only, especially after the British Victory in ´82, we had opened our eyes and see us for what we really are, we would have achievd more. But, here we are, stranded between what we wished for and we cannot be and still fight to get! Absurd!
Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54
Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands are a bit like Jersey, Guernsey, or the Isle of Man, but Overseas. The three I mention are known as Crown Protectorates, and their history is also a long one, but they have a separate system of taxation, and self-governance, in fact the Isle of Man has had a parliament longer than the UK, but all have a currency that is of equivalent value to the GBP, and businesses based on there do not pay tax. Because the history of each island is different, so is the extent of differences to their Constitutions, each has been negotiated and reviewed at different times in history, with the wishes of each people.
All are defended by the UK.
Try explaining to an Argentine that people who have no paid towards the UK MoD are protected by them for as long as they wish it. It shouldn't therefore be much of a leap to understand that innocent Libyan civilians aren't expected to pay for the cost of the RAF that is protecting them.
Honour is a difficult concept to convey to people that would sooner pick your pockets or welch on a deal. However, they seem to have a handle on the concept of 'something for nothing'.
Think- now that is hilarious! UK offers us billions of £ to go and live somewhere else when we dont want to anyway - AND gives the Islands to Argentina on top!!! Talk about Fantasy!
Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Briton 54 - we are a Selg Governing Overseas Territory, Basically our lected Govt is in charge of all internal affiars,finacial and legal etc, UK has responsibility for Foreign Affairs and Defence, The Governor- a Foreign Office servant is the Queen,s Representative and prescence and signs the laws etc. Legal and Constuitutional type laws go to London for final vetting to make sure the language is correct and they are fair and democratic and get approval from the UK Sec of State and Privy Council. Also because the UK has UN responsibility for ensuring “good governance withing the Islands”
In the Executive or Cabinet only the Elected Members can vote - the Governor can advise but has no vote.
So for a pop of 3000 under take-over threat by our big bully neighbour, we have gone about as far as we can towards Independence
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Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle Chuckle
We got another “ 100% Authentic Argentinean Autocritical Poster” at 58….
“Gotey” is its name.......................................
Gotey, you were doing ok, as a Brit, impersonating an Argentinean until you said “We must thank the British”. Nice try though.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:49 am - Link - Report abuse 058 Gotey,
Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
lol
#58 !
Apr 01st, 2011 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fred..... you stale bread.......would U change your tactics ?
@49
Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0DOH!
That was a pretty good slip wasn't it.
Think, you are indeed living in fantasyland if you think the UK is going to bankroll your country's colonial ambitions!
Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what can Argentina possibly offer us, that would induce us to give up OUR land. Shared sovereignty of Santa Cruz province perhaps?
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@62 Marcos, you should indeed thank the British. lf you had won in 1982 then its quite likely that the junta or their descendents would still be in power and its possible that you, yourself could have joined the“disappeared” and now be floating/sinking in the Atlantic.
66 lsolde,
Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's come to my attention that there is a considerable amount of BULLSHIT going on here about the outcome of the war and the end of the military dictatorship.
The UK didn't go to war to... 'save the Argentine people from the evil Junta', they went to war to protect their own interests, had the UK been able to make a deal with the Junta they would have made it in a heartbeat, they wouldn't have given a RATS ASS about the Argentine people. Lets make that perfectly clear. The fall of the military junta was a consequence, a GOOD consequence but not an objective.
You want to do Argentina a favor lsolde? Get the f@ck out of South America, take your illegal fishing fleet and your British military base back to ENGLAND where you belong and leave us alone. Take your “thank the British” crap with you.
THANK YOU
I don't see anywhere somebody claiming the downfall of the Junta was anything other than a by-product of the British victory over the corrupt military dictatorship that murdered 30,000 of your own people.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But you've built this myth about the Falklands so much that when that corrupt military dictatorship invaded a peaceful island community, there were 100,000+ Argentines crammed into the Plaza de Mayo lauding Galtieri and his thugs.
So indeed if the British hadn't stood up to that corrupt military dictatorship and booted them out of a peaceful island community, then its a distinct possibility you'd still have them.
There is no need to say thank you.
No one wishes to do Argentina any favours, you've successfully made yourself so obnoxious that no one in the Falklands wants to have anything to do with you.
But do yourselves a favour, remove your heads from your collective assess and realise that the Falklands are British, will remain British as that is the will of the people and while you allow yourselves to be brainwashed with this crap, you allow future dictators to walk all over you.
What a rude and unpleasant man. Why would sensible people bother to argue with him. He clearly has little (or no) knowledge of the basic legal principles on which his country is based. He doesn't own South America, however much he might wish it were true......
Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 JustinKuntz,
Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I don't see anywhere somebody claiming the downfall of the Junta was anything other than a by-product of the British victory over the corrupt military dictatorship”
66 lsolde,
“62 Marcos, you should indeed thank the British.”
I reply to statements accordingly 'stillakelper', if you don't have the stomach that's your problem.
Isn't it great when someone who despises you also owes you a colossal favour (the RGs are indebted in more ways than one come to think of it), such fun watching them squirm and squeal.....
Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The UK didn't go to war to... 'save the Argentine people”
Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is not one person on this website has ever claimed that. He simply stated that it was the by-product of the war against the UK that caused the government to fall, and that is a fact.
We didn't go there to “save” you from your government, but it happened anyway.
Forgetit87...... The difference with Hong Kong was that Britain leased that Island from the Chinese a 99 year lease if my memory serves me right and had to give it back when the 99 ran out. There is no lease of the Falklands as its never been Argentina's to lease
Apr 01st, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet Another Black Friday For the “North Malvinas Basin”
Despair Petroleum shares down 2,67% today….
Rockflopper Exploration shares down 3,94% today….
Arghhhos Resources shares down 4,68% today….
If the Brutish don't stop this hemorragic fever soon, it will be absolutely no oil left in Malvinas for the RG's not to find :-)))
Beef after reading post 74 above and folow your suggestion :-))))))))))))))))
Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 066 Isolde, The junta was just about to get their rear end kicked out of office days before that war. That's the main reason they went to war, to distract the population with a national cause that 40 million people, just next to you, strongly believe the British presence in our land needs to end.
Marcos, its the fact you're indoctrinated with that crap from birth that allows and allowed pricks like that to exploit those myths and whats amazing is you're still falling for it.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@75 I hate to admit it but you are right, probably by 1980-1981 we should have called for a general elections .......
Apr 01st, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 74 Think ... give me your opinion on Vargas LLosa , sir ! if you don't mind
Kuntz, Indoctrinated by who? The Official British History perhaps?
Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Mr Pepper said: ”This work has the stamp of official history“
”Falkland Islanders have criticised the Government's official history”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/7331547/Official-British-history-of-the-Falklands-War-is-considered-too-pro-Argentina.html
(77)
Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Already done pibe…………
“2 Think Mar 03rd, 2011 - 06:22 pm
I have enjoyed Sr. Mario Vargas Llosa’s books as much as Hr. Knut Hamsun’s.
Both those Nobel’s are breathtaking writers and ave-inspiring fascists.”
78: One book with inaccuracies that the author has even admitted to making, and is not even read by anyone unless they decide to specifically read said book.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a bit of a jump to call that indoctrination. It's not like we teach our children “THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH” in primary school.
The book was about the war, was never his job to look into the history of the islands. The errors aren't even big ones, you've clearly just got over excited by the title of the report.
#70 What has stomach got to do with it - you are just rude and unpleasant. I can deal with that, but not sure why anybody bothers with you really. If you have some intellectual or factual issue to debate I am happy to join. Mindless dick waving make nobody either better informed or better off.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re #77
Apr 01st, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“@ 74 Think ... give me your opinion on Vargas LLosa , sir ! if you don't mind”
I don't know about Vargas Llosa, but I think Pedro Camacho has some choice opinions of Argentinians - or so my aunt tells me.
@79 ... think ! I'm not a pibe anymore !!! going back Vargas Llosa, no wonder I like the guy so much !!!!!!
Apr 01st, 2011 - 07:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cadete then................
Apr 01st, 2011 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Vargas Llosa's first and best book.
Worth reading...........
La Ciudad y los Perros
http://www.daemcopiapo.cl/Biblioteca/Archivos/7_4488.pdf
Gracias Think !
Apr 01st, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58 ......“We must thank the British for having defeated the Military Dictatorship” .... what ????????????????????
On a related note, I notive Cisnero never came back after Pepper nailed his ass with that last article.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Speaks volumes doesn't it, they don't like to talk with anyone who knows the history.
The real history as opposed to the fantasy.
@85... and all the others who answered me. Dont take me wrong. I said “we must thank the British” because even if they didnt mean to “SAVE US” from the JUNTA, they actually did it, by accident, but it happened. and you missed my point. My point is, if we want the Malvinas back, we should first improve ourselves as a NATION and as a STATE. Are you aware of these concepts? Our Judiciary sucks. Have you ever seen the documentary report by TodoNoticias Channel where they have repeatedly denounced that from Jujuy Prov ALL TH WAY to Salta, Formosa, Chaco, Corrientes, Misiones is a borderland left WITHOUT ANY RADARS operating 24 hrs a day to check our AIR SPACE and the incoming of loathsome intruders as NARCS are????? Did you happen to know that 800 kgrs of cocaine and other hard stuff are flown in every day without any radar detection and, IF coincidentally (during the 6 hrs periods the few radars we have actually work, YES! they work ONLY 6hrs a day!!!!), the NARC-PLANEs are spotted, NO ARGENTINE AIRPLANE OR FIGHTER takes off to pursue the intruder and/or shoot it down????? Our entire northern border is simply a NO-MAN´s LAND for any ´ficking´ criminal who wants to get into Argentina????? I lived 5 years in C.Rivadavia, and I remember there were almost no war vessels around, the local press rarely reported cases of ships caught to port for fishing illegally!!! Why haven´t we developed our navy? why dont we have more airplanes, not to invade anyone, just the least needed to patrol the borders!! For example, I would as a president change our entire defense system into sth more adequate to real needs: the army, the navy and the Air Force all should be active GENDAMERIE collaborators! not like now. Watch that docmentary and you will cry. How little we care for our LAND and AIR SPACE. It all just sucks. I am very respectful for all Malvinas War Veterans, our heroes forever! I am proud of them! BUT WE as a people have done little to earn them a better country!!
Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0two for tango as a slogan is ok.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But who is second dancer with argentina, britain or the kelpers?
If they would exercise selfdetermination instead only talking kelpers would be the dancers; I expect for kelpers to grow up, use selfdetermination and talk to argentina without britain interference.
86.Kuntz, May be because nobody gives a rat about television historian Pepper and his British employers.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy Hayes ,, I expect for Argentinean to grow up, and talk to Argentina without Britain interference.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,
Very interesting Billy, has not the islanders tried this very thing in the past, Britain on the other hand has stated publicly and on record, that this problem concerns 3 countries, Great Britain- Argentina-and the Falklands, and at the very least the Falklands and Argentina,
but either way the Argentinean government has no wish to talk to anyone until certain conditions are applied,
1, all parties must agree with the decisions of Argentinean government ..
2, no appeal will be allowed against the Argentinean government decisions
3, Argentina will set all rules and agreements without debate,
4, after a referendum after which only Argentina can be voted for is finished,, the Falklands will become Argentinean without further ado,
now that might be slightly fantasy, but in truth as Argentina will only accept Argentinean rule [no exceptions]
and the Falklands islanders just wish to live in peace and rule themselves,
and the British are merely their to see fair play and justice to the islanders,, just how do you think this problem will then be solved, you all demand,, what you simply do not own, or have never owned,
the problem thus seems to be Argentinean created and Argentinean solvable, allow the Falklands to be independent, and go about your own lives and live in peace, or is this just to simple to understand, just an opinion .
Dont worry about this arguello he is the usual clown the argies sent to travel,like his boss twitterman who nobody likes in argentina.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody in the world takes argentina seriously nowadays ,so the world opinion on the falklands will not change,
in the long run the falklanders will achieve their independence and watch my words with the support of Obama
Look here, 90 BRITON. You remember when Sadam Hussein´s Irak invaded little Kuwait??????? Well, THIS matter,THIS DISPUTE, is exactly the same nature as that one. There is a Powerful Country, the UK, invading a small one, (a part of) Argentina called Malvinas. The difference between one conflict and the other is: The British Occupation of Malvinas happened back in 1833. The Iraki inasion of Kuwait happened in 1991. Another difference: Back in 1833, Argentina had a very small undeveloped navy and no one around to support her claim. Britain, for her part, had all the might needed to keep the islands by force (mind you here, NOT BY RIGHTS DERIVED FROM INTERNATINALLLY RECOGNIZED TITLES TO HOLD THE ISLANDS AS ARGENTINA HAD INHERITED FROM SPAIN, RIGHTS RECOGNIZED BY BRITAIN IN FAVOR OF SPAIN). Britain, had no such titles, no papers, nothing. Back then THE UK was the only naval superpower round the world. In the case of Irak, this was a medium size country invading a small one. The United Nations and the US denounced that and took immediate action to put things back to rights. They enforced the retreat of the Irakis and the liberation of Kuwait. I think, it was the fair thing to do. Now, back in 1833, there were no United Nations, ONLY one world superpower. MIGHT over RIGHTS. Britain dictated things to weakling Argentina. So Argentina could only do one thing: submit letters to London. London never replied coherently, or worse, they did not reply. What could Argentina do then? One thing: KEEP CLAIMING FOR THE ISLANDS until Argentina could either gather enough Armed Might to get them back OR wait for an INTERNNATIONAL BODY where to submit th claim and get JUSTICE done.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0The matter here is what do we want to prevail in the International Arena? a world ruled by MIGHT or by RIGHT? The BRITISH people SHOULD give this a little thought. I think th BRITISH think Justice gets done only when it suits THEIR OWN INTERESTS. One + thing: the Islanders are NOT a party coz they´re British!!
TWIMC
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0I made a mistake at Post No. 61.
After reading posts (58), (87) and (92), I don’t longer Think that the writer is just another “100% Authentic Argentinean Autocritical Poster”
It certainly sounds like that pesky Chilean ”xbarilox” changing personality again :-(
@67 Martino, what an angry little nino you are! temper, temper! careful that you don't blow a blood vessel.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 01) l never said that the UK went to war to“save”Argentina. l couldn't care less about Argentina.
2) l never said it was an objective of the UK military. you do have these delusions!
3) No l don't want to do Argentina any favours, as l said before, l don't care about you or for you. You can mismanage your own country by yourself.
4) We are not in South America, we are in the South Atlantic & we will stay as long as we like. lts got nothing to do with you or your country. You do not own the South Atlantic as much as you would like to.
5) Frustrating for you, isn't it? You want to dominate the region but we are in your way & will be for the fore-seeable future.
6) Finally, sr Crankypants, you don't have to thank me. Just thank God that the British defeated your pathetic army, the Junta fell & you came out of that nightmare.(do you really think that we want in OUR land the type of government that murders its own people?)so, Martino you do owe the British.
Sleeplless in Stanley?
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 094 lsolde, What exactly do we need to thank Britain for?
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 04:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Buenos Aires invasions of 1806 and 1807?
The Malvinas invasion of 1833?
The blockade of mid 1800's?
And remember you are in South America and Argentina land, not in the Atlantic water.
93,
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well he's not a Brit, he made some valid points. (definitely not a Brit)
Apologies Gotey I don't mean to speak of you in the third person.
91 expat, (ex patriot? what the hell is that mean?)
“in the long run the falklanders will achieve their independence”
That's a curious statement, isn't it? Their sense of identity and direction is so f@cked up I'd be surprised if half of them can find their way through a parking lot.
Independence from whom exactly? The UK? So now you DON'T want to be British? Well go ahead then... what's stopping you? The UK says it's all up to you and your bullshit 'self-determination'.
See, this is why I say the UN is nothing but a whore house, it's all a game for these people. Back and forth, back and forth from one thing to the other and the UN bends over and takes it. What rules? What articles, sub-paragraphs... it's all bullshit.
“Self-determination dictates that...” Self-determination dictates that you get to get way with ANYTHING!!! You knock yourselves out cause we don't give a rat's ass about common sense, right... wrong, nothing.
Sincerely,
The UN, your friendly neighborhood whore.
@96 Marcos, are you really that thick, that you can't read what has been written here?
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0You never forget the“invasions” of the early 19th century but “conviently forget” your invasion of 1982. And it was an invasion, no matter what your history books say.
And YOU remember that we are NOT in Argentine land. We are in OUR land & you are not welcome here.
lsolde, well written and well said, what a super duper twit Marcos Alejandro is. He seems to think that the Falklands is in some part of Argentina, perhaps some one should send him a map or give him the link to Google earth where he can see for himself that they are a group of islands in the South Atlantic and that they are quite some distance from the Argentina mainland. Still that little odd quirk does not stop people like him thinking that its Argentina does it
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like it or not Marcos we British did you one big favor when in 1982 you illegally invaded another country and wrecked havoc on a peaceful people. When we came down and gave you a good old slapping that you deserved for being like a naughty schoolchild , we unintentionally you democracy, something that we have had for quite sometime. For my part I would not have given you spit and would have if given the chance in 1982 given you an harder slap just to make sure you never disrespected another nation again. You really are spiteful nation, your like a child that has never grown up into adulthood, perhaps thats why your nation is not respected in any shape or form on the world stage. But then unlike Britain you have only been around for a few years and I supose we should make allowences for that.
Islas Malvinas, Tierra Del Fuego, Argentina
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Learn something ignorant Brits.
Learnt that in Australia they have never heard of the Malvinas,Falklands yes, Malvinas no
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway 3 months away come back and the Argies still talking bollox
Gotey
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0more lies and bullshit
your history self written by fools,
more bullshit
go and learn the real history called the truth
to Martin_Fierro. Boy, you talk lts of nonsense!!. Shame you are Argentinean like me.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to Britishbulldog (#99). Please, don't get confused. No everyone supported the invasion, we were having a dictatorship, and the only democratic governments in Argentina refusing any agreement about Falklands (to agree with Brits or islanders) are the supporters of Peronist Party.
About Falklands lets say that back in the 60's Argentina had good chances to get some agreement with England, with support from the islanders.
Any chance was lost with 82's invasion.
Won't be long untill the other Argentinians on here claim you aren't Argentinian, rob. Any word spoken ill of the malvinas plan is an instant deportation and banishment from Argentina in there eyes.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There was indeed talks in the 60's but it wasn't with the islanders concent and when they found out they asked the the government to stop the talks, and they did. There was no real chance after that but the war defenantly cemented our nations position on the islands.
Zethee, I am Argentinean, living in Argentina, proud of my country but no proud of my own people (no all of them).
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talks in the 60's with the Brits were no so important as the benefits islanders were getting from Argentina,
By today the best could be an independent Falkland, under the umbrella of “Commonwealth” (they will not lose benefits from England) and good commercials agreements with South American countries.
Comment removed by the editor.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0102@Briton. More lies? MOre bullshit?
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those are your reasons: NUKES, WAR-VESSELS, NUCLEAR SUBS, TYPHOON PLANES, these are your arguments? Might is Right then?
About what you say on History, well Big Brother seems to be rewriting History in your country I tell you and all around the world.
“If certain acts of violation of treaties are crimes, these ARE crimes whether they be committed by the US or Germany. We are not ready to set standards for war crimes against others, if we are not as well ready to invoke them against ourselves”. Words from Bertrand Russell. A great man and philosopher, political activist, essayist, a superhero! LEARN from him! .... and he was a British, did you know?
If you are at the UN, and you are part of the Rulers Group of Nations, show the world you have enough balls to invoke the rules you set up against yourself too. THAT is fairness.
107 Gotey
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What treaties are you talking about? We don't have a treaty with you. We had an agreement and you broke it.
about comment #106 is a real shame the editor removed it. This comment helps to understand why, as a proud Argentinean I am, I say I am not proud of my own people.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination is a load of bull since most of the civilians
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0of the Islas Malvinas are 95% percent of English backgrounds
so it's obvious they choose Brittain as there mothr land.
Geographically The Falkands Islands is locatated close to Argentina and is far and thosands of miles apart from England. Then again England holds on to a bunch of rocks because that's the only Resource they can rob from Argentina there British Military failed miserably twice when they attempted to invade Argentina two hundred years ago and where consequently defeated by Argebtine force. VIVA LA PATRIA
108@Monty. have you tried reading what I wrote “twice”? Maybe THEN you will understand what I mean to say with those words. I am NOT saying you broke treaties or agreements. What I say is that BRITAIN is part of the UN, PLUS one of the 5 “exclusive” members of the UN Security Council. Argentina is a member of the General Assembly just as any other average country except “those 5”. My point is: BRITAIN, AS A CO-FOUNDER, FULL MEMBER, and as a SUPERPOWER, should obey the resolutions and respect the rules set up by the UN Charter and the Resolutions adopted by the General Assembly, OF WHICH you are a part. Resolution 2065?? Does that ring a bell to you? A resolution dated from 1965 you have been purposely and bullish-like repeatedly ignored up to this day?? Do you know about that?? Did you happen to listen to Hillary Clinton in March this year when she said she expected Britain to start talks on the Malvinas/Falkland issue in accordance to Resolution 2065??? I mean, Are you or Are you not full members of the UN??? You Britain, the “Superpower” turned upside down, you are not Superman you know??? You are as fake/unfair as those Argentine fellowcountrymen I mentioned above in @58. BRITAIN full supporters of “MIGHT over RIGHT”. No doubt on that. AND a shame on you.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0107 Gotey
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the world of stupidity, backwardness and uneducated, you do nothing but shame every decent Argentinean, I know for a fact this is not the standard of education in Argentina, this then leaves you as brain washed as some of your own people, no doubt you think that Argentina had a great empire, beat the dreaded British and conquered the world, the Falklands are yours and the British stole it when you was not looking, if this is the standard of our opinion, then I really do pity you people,
at this rate you will not only never get the Falklands, but your own country is in danger of breaking up, between those Argentineans that want to get on and live in the real world, and fools like you[ a tiny minority] that live in total fantasy land, if you act like a child, I will treat you like a child, so please either read your history books and learn, or read the beano with the children .
Thatchers Husband was a member of Apartheid in South Africa you
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits must take great pride in that, also England has exploited numerous countries over the world for there resources since England is only an Island after all, so your country should be the last one on earth to talk about moral values. Good day Gentlemen. Cheerio
Bye Tigre2000, you just tango off into the sunset......
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0....and the Falklands are still British.
:-)
Yes they are but for how long? I like Earl grey tea : )
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tigre2000 (#)
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination is a load of bull
if this is so, then you support argentina being ruled by someone else then.
argentina is not entitled to Self determination , then
you said it, we may yet agree whith you.
113 So because Dennis Thatcher sank a few golf balls and a few more gin and tonics in South Africa he's a member of Apartheid?
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You Argentinians made more sense under the Galtieri.
112briton, you completely miss the point. Are you a drinking while you writing here? Coz, really your reply sounds like you never read my post!
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your post does not make any sense, and had nothing to-do with the blogg at hand,
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is not a superpower, Argentina was also a founding member of the UN was she not,
Resolution 2065 [1965] was superseded by the illegal invasion of the Falklands islands by Argentina,
you do not own the Falklands, and never have, you do not own the island of British control, and never have, the fact is you cannot claim something you do not own, this is very arrogant, and what the hell has our military got to do with might, , which at this very moment is being used to help Libyan people, your facts are totally distorted, we did not save Argentina from anyone, the fact is, we sent the British military to the Falklands to eject an illegal invasion by Argentina, [that is a fact] what ever happened after that is not our concern, the Falklands have a right to choose who they wish to be, just like Argentina has a right to choose who they wish to be, and if the Falklands choose to be British, and the Argentineans choose to be argentine, then that is that [is it not]
put simply Argentina leave an innocent little country alone, and we may very well go home, but most importantly of all, when you talk about picking on the weak, the Falklands did not have a military, and you did, therefore you [Argentina] invaded an unarmed and vulnerable nation, this is its self is a total disgrace in the name of democracy,
so if anyone has missed the point, then i suggest you spend some more time in the library, and out of the comic shop. so lets agree on two facts
1, Argentina does not own the Falklands
2, Argentina has never owned the Falklands
3, and to claim something you do not own is called theft,
4, is this plain enough for you .
Gotey/
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my British friend read all these comments ,laughed
and said ,there are no any British & Argentine posters here.
They say that no problem between Britain-Argentina !
111 Gotey:
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have YOU read resolution 2065? It states that our governments must resolve the issue bearing in mind resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population. Resolution 1514 states that:
All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
The intrests of the popuation is not to be part of Argentina.
Nowhere in resolution 2065 does it say the UK must discuss or hand over sovereignty, NOWHERE.
Argentina is only willing(As you have demonstrated over the years) to discuss handing over sovereignty which is against Resolution 1514 and the islanders intrests stated in 2065.
The resolution simply states that the issue should be resolved. The UK can not resolve the issue without breaking it and several human rights laws. Argentina can, drop the claim - problem solved(Will never happen).
So you can continue complaining about us ignoring the resolution but you might look in the mirror first, you also are.
As for moaning about Might over Right. That's bloody laughable considering the only reason we have military down there is because of the war you started.
The only might over right occurred on 2nd April 1982, when 8.000 Argentines faced a tiny detachment of Royal Marines.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@110 Tigre2000
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkands Islands is locatated close to Argentina
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Slice of Hypocrisy anyone?
The 2065 was derivd from Gral Asembly1514 (XV) Declaration on the granting of independnce to colonial countries and peoples, which reads:
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
3. Inadequacy of political, economic, social or educational preparedness should never serve as a pretext for delaying independence.
4. All armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease in order to enable them to exercise peacefully and freely their right to complete independence, and the integrity of their national territory shall be respected.
5. Immediate steps shall be taken, in Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations, in accordance with their freely expressed will and desire, without any distinction as to race, creed or colour, in order to enable them to enjoy complete independence and freedom.
6. Any attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
7. All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the present Declaration on the basis of equality, non-interference in the internal affairs of all States, and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
947th plenary meeting,
14 December 1960.
Here is an effort to discuss the interests of the Falkland Islanders in Buenos Aires....real date is 2007. There are not so many efforts of this type in the Argentine capital.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM_cj1QrFcs
Very good, now explain how that helps your claim.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina getting the islands would break 1,2,5 and 7.
very good Zethee
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The subjection of peoples
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My comments on this point: Britain is NOT subjugating, dominating or exploiting the Islanders!!! Naturally, the Islanders are BRITISH! THIS IS THE REASON THEY ARE NOT A PART in this! Even if they have to be heard and be given the same autonomy Argentine provinces have regarding the making of their own constitutions. Argentina is a federal state and would admit to the Islanders to enjoy the same municipal autonomy that almost all districts or counties have in Argentina.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination..
HERE IS YOUR POINT BRITON: you want us to believe that the Islanders can have this Right and then ask for Independence, or else, remain as they are, i.e. OT administered by th UK. The only self-determination possibly admitted by Argentina is that which her Provinces have under the Constitution: Autonomy. There could perhaps be some other kinds of rights, which could be negotiated with Britain, but that is something that could be discussed only at a table
4. All armed action or repressive measures
tell me: WHO is exercising armed action and repressive measures? Argentina is NOT. Britain NEITHER. Britain is only protecting THEIR citizens in the islands, not repressing them! SO, this point is irrelevant.
5. Immediate steps shall be ta to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories…
HERE is your other POINT BRITON, which as explained before cannot be applied in this dispute, because there is NO people in the Island being repressed or exploited or anything.
6. Any attempt...
THIS is ONE of many Argentina´s points: In 1833, you disrupted the national unity and the territorial integrity of Argentina by taking over the Islands by force and ejecting our people from them and then planting your own.
7.All States shall observe faithfully and strictly the provisions of the Charter …and respect for the sovereign rights of all peoples and their territorial integrity.
Same as stated for point 6 goes here.
well you lost me
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but perhaps an islander can answer the finer points, as i am only an outsider , like you, and giving an opinion, but to clarify items the islander will give you a good reply
im back in the morning, and will see what/who has replied to your logic.
128 Gotey
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0129 briton
This is the same old crap we hear from Argentines all the time, and I'm sick to death of trying to explain it.
They think we aren't entitled to self- determination because we aren't being subjugated, dominated etc.
They completely fail to appreciate that if they gained sovereignty, we would be, by them.
At the moment, we govern ourselves, we raise our own revenues and spend them, and we make our owndecisions aboutour destiny. They want to take all that away, and they think that's OK.
We will not accept Argentine sovereignty and no-one is going to make us.
“Britain is NOT subjugating, dominating or exploiting the Islanders!!!”
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0- No-one is claiming this. Read my post. If Argentina was to gain the islands the islanders would be subjugated thus breaking the resolution.
“The only self-determination possibly admitted by Argentina”
- It's not Self-Determination if they don't want it. It's forced government. Perhaps you should read up on what the term means by your post it seems you have a lack of understanding for the concept.
“tell me: WHO is exercising armed action and repressive measures?”
- You tell me, i never claimed anyone is. Read my post.
“HERE is your other POINT BRITON, which as explained before cannot be applied in this dispute, because there is NO people in the Island being repressed or exploited or anything.”
- No, here is where you have a lack of understanding on the issue. The islanders aren't claiming a right they don't have. They aren't asking for Self Determination, they have it. The argument is that they have the right to keep it. If argentina got ownership of the islands they would not, this is a fact you can't change to suit your argument on the fly.
“In 1833, you disrupted the national unity and the territorial integrity ”
-Territorial integrity? Please you had the islands for a total of what, six years? It was never an integral part of your nation.
Plus, since when do laws work retroactively, the UN wasn't even around for another 100 years. It's not illegal to break a law that doesn't exist and will not exist for another 100 years.
131. Zethee. It´s not illegal to break a law that doesn´t exist. The UN wasn´t around in 1833. TRUE WORDS. I wonder if the UN had been of any help with Britain occupaying 1 of the 5 exclusive VETO SEATS in the Security Council. Laws are not retoactive, BUT MORALITY AND RIGHTOUSNESS ARE ETERNAL, TIMELESS. You admitted we had the Malvinas for a total of 13 years to be precise, which of course cannot hold a candle to the 180 of Britain. But, think this over: I have a relative whose baby 4 years-old was kidnapped during the Dark Years of the Dictatorship, almost from the cradle. They suffered and thought her lost forever until very recently, investigations by special police and the press, etc, etc found that “disappeared” baby was alive. She has finally met and rejoined her family. Time is not an issue here. RIGHTS, when genuine, are timeless in their validity, regardless of the absence of laws at the time they were violated. Think it over.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0The first 2 articles from 1514:
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01. The subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights, is contrary to the Charter of the United Nations and is an impediment to the promotion of world peace and co-operation.
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Where in these 2 articles does it say that only subjected peoples are entitled to self-determination?
132 Gotey
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 2065 (XX) - Question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 016 December 1965
The General Assembly,
-Having examined the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
-Taking into account the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by the Committee with reference to that Territory,
-Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
-Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed(the islanders are not a party in the issue, but the object) without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);
2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations.
Aforementioned is Res 2065. Pending. Parties: 2, UK & Argentina. Question: Leaving the matter of Sovereignty to the 2 parties; WHAT are the interests of the Islanders that we Argentinians would not be ready to accept??? Please, tell me.
132 Gotey:
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly is moral or righteous about your aspirations of wanting to govern a group of people against there wishes? Because you had a few settlers here 180 years ago. How do dead people have more rights than people currently living? Because they're Argentinian? What exactly gives you more rights than these people who have been living there FOR LONGER THAN ANYONE IN RECORDED HUMAN HISTORY?
“WHAT are the interests of the Islanders that we Argentinians would not be ready to accept??? Please, tell me.”
Not being governed by Argentina.
Self Determination is there intrest, There is NO way you can try and spin that Argentina governing them against there wishes is in there intrests, it's not going to happen. There intrests are being able to choose which government is governing them and they have chosen the UK and at some point although highly unlikly because of Argentina they may choose to go independant and the UK will happily comply.
And you sure as hell can't blame them for not wanting to have anything to do with Argentina.
The above should read:
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There is NO way you can try and spin that Argentina governing them is in there intrests”**
Tired.
109 Rob the “argentinean”
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0If I tell you what I think of you the comment will be removed.
So I'll simply say, that only a Brit would be stupid enough to say the things you say and expect anyone else to think that you are an Argentine.
Frak yourself, Brit.
@138 Martin_Fierro, don't you like it because someone of your own nationality disagrees with your lies?
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@135 Gotey,
item 1)“lnvites” an invitation, not an order. An “invitation” that we decline.
item 2)“Requests” again not an order. A“request” that we also decline as it is not in our interests.
Thank you for your invitation to become Argentines, but no thank you.
Well this has descended into a shit slinging fest...
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0......yes, I was going to say something, but my computer decided all by itself that it was completely pointless.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, it's a pretty grey day here in the Falkland Islands. Time to light the peat fire, put the Sunday roast in the oven and pour another coffee.
Yall have a nice day now.
Monty,
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've noticed the same thing!
Many times I have written a piece with 'too much bite' and before posting it the laptop-gremlin has deleted it.
sometimes a gremlin; sometimes an angel.
But the statistical frequency of angel-action shows that these deletions are not simple serendipity.
spooky.....
Where is my beer? I'm still waiting... ZZzzzzz
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Merely 6 persons (except me) have made 142 gadget comments here
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0under the different log in accounts. Who care .
144) Geo
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Interesting postulate
Lets see.
1 Martin Fierro: Argentinean. Lives in Utah, USA
2 Frase: Friendly/critical British National. Lives in Cordoba, Argentina
3 Artillero601: Argentinean ex-military person. Lives in Tejas, USA
4 Ptolemy: On the British side. Kind of ”Turnipish”
5 Forgetit87: Young smart Brazilian, maybe Paulista
6 Marcos Alejandro: Youngish Argentinean
7 Beef: Highly educated Briton. Our resident Oil expert. Lives in England
8 ElaineB: Newly arrived Briton? Living in Argentina?
9 WestisBest: An authentic cursing male Kelper. Lives in Gran Malvina, Argentina
10 Zethee: A British Turnip. Loves guns and wars
11 Stillakelper: Male Kelper. Lives in Puerto Stanley, Malvinas, Argentina
12 JustinKuntz: A Scot. Loves ”small convenient lies” and insulting people
13 Islander1: Male Kelper from Stanley, Islas Malvinas, Argentina
14 GeoffWard: Our resident British haughty Eugenist. Lives in Northern Brazil
15 Monty69: Sweet Female Kelper. Deprives her husband of animal protein! Lives in Gran Malvina, Argentina
16 Tte Estevez: Argentinean
17 Briton: A British turnip. Writes under the influence
18) Gotey: A new arrival… Have not figured it yet
19 Wireless: A British Turnip. Has ”Golden Shower” fantasies about enemy soldiers tombs
20 Yul: From another planet
21 Isolde: Implanted Female British Belonger Kelper. Lives in Malvinas, Argentina. Kind of sweet….. :~)
22 Britishbulldog: A British Turnip. Also known as Typhoon, Agent006 etc
23 Billy Hayes: Argentinean polite debater. Lives in Buenos Aires, Argentina
24 Expat: An Anglo Turnip
25 Stick up your Junta: A British Turnip. Likes one-liners
26 Rob the argentinean???: Newcomer. Haven’t figure it yet
27 Tigre2000: Argentinean
28 Be serious: A British Turnip
29 Warrah: ??
30 Dab14763: British. Doesn’t lie. Doesn’t insult. Lots and lots of info
31 Rhaurie Craughwell: A Pompous Scottish Turnip. Loves to insult
32NicoDin: Argentinean. Loves Youtube
33 El Think
I ”Think” you are wrong Geo
You are a very strange person.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No---No--Noo Think you are joking .
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your list's names' attributes are not true .,determination is very easy.
I would be tolerable in maximum --2 -- names from same origin(!)
but are made uproar by empty contents.
You can't have self determination right but can have self lie right .
I pursue.................................................
All those purporting the matter of nearness as being an indicator of territorial integrity ARE wrong. In this repect, both the British and we the Argentinians ARE wrong. NEARNESS is not a factor. TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY is. SO please, all of you here, watch out on this concept. Near the very coast of northern France there are Islands which do not belong to France!!! AND they are only a couple yards away from the coast!!
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For those doing research: YES, Argentine terrritory only did go only as far down as the Rio salado in BA up until 1879-84 when Argentina finally launched a “conquest of the desert campaign” in areas south of BA all the way down to southern Tierra del Fuego. BUT, the Patagonia occupied by “Aboriginal peoples”, although not effectively occupied by civilians, did belong to Argentina from 1816 onwards. There were garrisons established and cities and towns developed only after the aboriginals were overrun.
As for the Malvinas as different from the Patagonia, in 1820, Argentina did send both military and civilians to effectively occupy and exercise soverignty!!! AND there are LOTS of documents proving this. There were a series of Governors designated by Buenos Aires all the way between 1820 and 1833, Luis Vernet being the last one, descendants of which live today in Argentina and keep documented papers about it all.
regarding NEARNESS look at the island of Sint Pierre and Miquelon
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0belonging to France and only 10 miles from Newfoundland-Canada,the inhabiotants want to keep French and the Canadians dont care.
Nowadays the territorial claims are not more considered,in the era of the human rights the desire of the inhabitants are taken into consideration , so Falklanders dont worry.
“TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY is. SO please, all of you here, watch out on this concept.”
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The islands were not even yours for 20 years, they were not an integral part of your nation.
148 Gotey
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''BUT, the Patagonia occupied by “Aboriginal peoples”, although not effectively occupied by civilians, did belong to Argentina from 1816 onwards.''
Utterly contemptible. I'm sure the 'aboriginal peoples' thought it belonged to them, and it did.
I doubt they have papers to prove it, or their descendents, and why do you think that is?
You make me feel a bit ill, and you can take your 'territorial integrity' and shove it where the sun don't shine.
(Is that 'sweet' enough for you?)
Think, #145,
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks for the playlist.
I had a vague mind-map of who is where and, even if you are 50-60% correct, it is useful.
My wife calls us “you set of looneys” - but she is pleased with the spread of friendships and perspectives.
I actually detect a bit of mutual respect developing as we all get to know each other's idiocyncracies and capacities to give & take, tease and absorb punishment.
Geoff.
Like the brits say, we are fed up with trying to explain to people that will not understand/do not want to understand, so what is the point, WE CAN BUT TRY, the argentina bloggers like THINK who thinks he is clever in saying stupid things, the only turnip on here is THINK and the rest, you try to insult, and we just ignore you, you lost, you wont get the falkands, so get used it , bla bla bla
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“9 WestisBest: An authentic cursing male Kelper. Lives in Gran Malvina, Argentina”
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0For fucks sake think....That's West Falkland, not bloody Gran Malvina ya twat.
(154) WestisBest
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Got,at least, one right :~)
1 Martin Fierro: Indoctrinated
Apr 04th, 2011 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 02 Frase: Friendly/critical British National.
3 Artillero601: Argentinean ex-military person, seems friendly.
4 Ptolemy: Tends toward the truth
5 Forgetit87: Indoctrinated, but seems to be intelligent
6 Marcos Alejandro: Indoctrinated
7 Beef: Appears very intelligent
8 ElaineB: So far I've tended to agree with everything posted
9 WestisBest: Calls a spade a spade, Falkland Islander
10 Zethee: Mostly agree with posts, but sometimes less tolerant than myself
11 Stillakelper: Doesn't lie. Falkland Islander
12 JustinKuntz: Roots out ”small convenient lies” and tears them to bits
13 Islander1: Another honest chap, Falkland Islander
14 GeoffWard: Seems to get to the heart of a matter, seeking truth
15 Monty69: Honest young lady, Falkland Islander
16 Tte Estevez: Indoctrinated
17 Briton: Likes a drink, doesn't hold back his opinion
18) Gotey: Shouts a lot
19 Wireless: Honest, Reasonable, Logical, wouldn't waste his piss on a burning Think
20 Yul: Definitely from another planet, but otherwise Indoctrinated
21 Isolde: Very tolerant of the less fortunate, Falkland Islander
22 Britishbulldog: Not polished, but completely honest
23 Billy Hayes: Indoctrinated
24 Expat: Somewhat unpolished, but honest.
25 Stick up your Junta: Delivers succinct commentary, which is witty, and well thought out.
26 Rob the argentinean???: Not sure, seems to favour the truth.
27 Tigre2000: Not sure, not read enough comments.
28 Be serious: Honest, robust, to the point, no flowery language, but the truth.
29 Warrah: Seems to be Indoctrinated.
30 Dab14763: British. Doesn’t lie. Doesn’t insult. Lots and lots of info
31 Rhaurie Craughwell: Well thought out responses, containing the truth, which are lengthy and robustly delivered.
32NicoDin: Indoctrinated
33 El Think: Has a high opinion of himself without merit, somewhat intelligent but indoctrinated, likes piss.
@ Wireless
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“19 Wireless: Honest, Reasonable, Logical,” ????
May I hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Laughter is good! Oh, by the way, I´m a huuuge fan of the old sitcom Seinfeld, anyone ever seen it?
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0To the ladies in this site, by the way, we can talk about anything. Like for example what dating is like in your place compared to mine, etc, Sex, what is the latest news on that? well, i can recommend you good sites. If you ever come here, put me down for a date of yours, I can tour you round the place, give ya accomodation, take y
Wireless --XOXOX--
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Lists of your and Es Think have 33 comments names at this forum
( some other names at all forums) but only 6 persons (!) write all.
Who is who !? very easy to understand and determine.Furthermore that
there are no any lady poster here.
Simple Economic principal is that you must have balanced income distribution so You are very very rich having many login accounts,
but I am very poor only have one login account here....
In the event,we can't sustain this unbalanced ambiance ,can we !
@145 Think & 156 Wireless, thanks for a good laugh.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0@158 Gotey, don't think too much of Seinfeld, but l do like the Two Ronnies, Are you being Served? & Dad's Army.
Isolde -- XOXOX--
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Once I read a news which was about Afghanistan,
There were many female women walk around wearing closed
black sheets at the Kabul streets...but appearently
they were British male spies in reality .
159 geo
Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0''Furthermore that
there are no any lady poster here.''
I certainly never claimed to be a lady. Just real women on West Falkland pal ;-)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&rlz=1R2ADSA_enGB395&q=who%20is%20the%20thinking%20man&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=isch:1,vid:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=iv&biw=1419&bih=650
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0For think,, ,the thinking man.,
#145 #146..............what about Redhoyt...haven't seen him for a while, must be on holiday or disgusted with the quality of the debate.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we are outnumbered 3 to 1, with 300 heavy horse !!..... we need to negotiate !!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stillalkelper-- XOX--
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The guy who wants to manipulate these Merco forums
using -7- different names ( Think ,.....,.............,........,.......,...,............)
(164)
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He surely hit the “Mother of all Brothels” in Pattaya.
Lucky Bugger!
geo 159:
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Simple Economic principal is that you must have balanced income distribution so You are very very rich having many login accounts,
but I am very poor only have one login account here....
In the event,we can't sustain this unbalanced ambiance ,can we !”
well you've convinced me....sorry.....convinced us I mean.
This service is free ... what are you guys talking about? On Danny boy, again he has to show evidence that he is rich and handsome , anybody here can say a lot of shit without any proof. My credentials are available upon request !!! ......lol!!!!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0163 Thinks a woman, an old woman.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To the 15% of Malvinas population that has invested in “Oil Explorers”
Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/8426244/Why-you-should-avoid-Falkland-Islands-oil-explorers.html
@159
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're the first person to believe I have more than one account on Mercopress; my family is reasonably well off, but an awful lot of people in the UK would suggest I'm not rich at all.
However, earnings are relevant to where you live, and the cost of living, I imagine you aren't paying £1.35 a litre when you fill your car with Diesel.
169 artillero601,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“anybody here can say a lot of shit without any proof”
You just described half the people in this place... lol
By the way, I'm 6'2”, I run 30 miles everyday... I drive a Lamborghini Gallardo and I bang the hottest girls LEFT... AND RIGHT!!! Bitchezz
jajajajajaja !!!
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0(173)
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0In Hildale, Utah?
He runs to the Tabernacle to pray for his sins, Think.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Martin #173: “I'm 6'2”, I run 30 miles everyday... I drive a Lamborghini Gallardo and I bang the hottest girls LEFT... AND RIGHT!!! Bitchezz”
Apr 05th, 2011 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0My, I am humbled by you physique and proflagate lifestyle!
I'm 6'2”, I run 3 miles a day, I drive a family saloon, and I remember when I had your declared lifestyle.
Thats one of the things that happens when you look back on being 62 -
and I have stopped needing to ask a lady if she is Left or Right before most royaly entertaining her.
@173
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0““anybody here can say a lot of shit without any proof”
You just described half the people in this place... lol”
True....it's the Argie half.
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Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I had just such a picture of you in my mind before you posted @179, thanks for confirming in writing what we were all suspecting for quite a while.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is so unusual for an Argentine to admit things in writing I almost feel we should celebrate.
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Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0179 I knew there was a connection between you and Think .
Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0keep Malvinas I don’t care while you make laugh like this. Haha haha aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0whilst stroking cock, sorry, cat James Bond villian style
#13 sooner or later not our government but our people will take this to the styreets and there will be no europid names or busynesses to ever turn a profit from us taking back our wealth, Cuba did it Venezuela did it and sooner or later Argentines will go to the streets and send all europids home or put them under ground soo they can for ever rest in pieces, Arent you people busy killing Muslim women and children in Libya ?? maybe we can help Libya by starting our own scrap in Malvinas Argentina, we can help set off WW3 Chavez promised to help Argentina and maybe Russia will be willing to sell us some missiles and a nuclear defence weapons, I think Argentina should jump now to help Muslims around the world from being thefted and murdered by europids.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.zeenews.com/news691564.html
VIVA LA REVOLUCION.
184 So you want to expel all Spanish and Italian implanted persons - Ok, good luck with that.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@185 what do I do with grandma then?
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think they let Nicodim and Pork Hunt out of the short bus around 3.00pm every day, after they've licked the windows clean and spent all day trying to lick their elbows.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So many crazy people in Argentina, they even get elected.
186 Give her a pizza and hide her in the Wardrobe.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This latest one sounds like that other nutter, gorge1?
Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Pork Hunt that nutter RG ex-pat in Canada, Vargas I think his name is, he always uses the none words 'europids', and 'pirats', and wants Argentina to nuke, kill, or make war with the Falkland Islands, or the UK, or anyone he considers unpatriotic (unpatriotic=not indoctrinated).
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You watch, he'll bring up race next, assuming his pathetic position in life is all down to his being non-white, when in reality he's a sad elbow licking retard creepy guy always looking for an argument.
I think he's in his 30s, maybe 40s, but once he hit 12 years old his mental development ended, along with his sexual development, although the stiff curtains in his front room and bedroom gives away his propensity for single handed relief when a bit of skirt wanders down the street.
I think we have him pigeon holed nicely.
@ Pirat-Hunter
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I will hide my EU passport just in case haha
Pirat-Hunter just with Brits is enough for me I wouldn’t like to return to Europe especially on these days when they are starving and becoming the 3er world.
Think about it, please. Do you? Che dejate de jorder mirá que no queda nadie eh!
BTW when are we going to take over Malvinas again?
: )
@Wireless. I agree with you on the stupidity of nuking and killing making war for the Malvinas etc. I TOTALLY AGREE ON THAT. Whoever says he/she is pro-war is NUTS, to say the least.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@139 Isolde ABOUT your comment replying to @135 Gotey,
item 1)“lnvites” an invitation, not an order. An “invitation” that we decline.
item 2)“Requests” again not an order. A“request” that we also decline as it is not in our interests.
you said, “Thank you for your invitation to become Argentines, but no thank you.”
What do you all here expect the UN to say in a resolution??
“HEY, according to REs 9897, we ”compel and threaten“ Argentina and the UK to comply with this resolution and to sit to discuss the matter, ”or else, all other countries in the UN will nuke Buenos Aires and London.“ ???? Um, sounds a little too FORCEFUL, a little UNCIVILIZED, just a little way out of the decorous, civilizing and democracy-building policies of the UN in its attempt to make this world BETTER and PEACEFUL.
Evidently, your war-mongering subconscious has betrayed you for what you are and those few in the UK who think the use of force IS ”THE ONE AND RIGHT WAY” to fix the world. Shame on you.
“comply with this resolution and to sit to discuss the matter”
Apr 05th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN resolution says nothing about discussing sovereignty. The UK has sat down and discussed many issues with Argentina from oil sharing, fisherys and air transport. Argentina usually storms out and rips up the agreement. The UK government has said it will discuss anything that does not include sovereignty.
@128 Gotey:
Apr 05th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Crown Colony & its government on the Falkland Islands were a manifest form of colonialism. Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands
The reason why the Falkland Islands & all British Overseas Territories are classed as Non-Self-Governing Territories for the purposes of resolution 1514(XV) is because the form of govt. these territories had at the time as Crown Colonies was autocratic & did not contain fully democratically elected representatives elected by the people, for the people, of the people
The Crown Colony govt. in the Falkland Islands was alien to the people living there, The Crown Colony govt. was subjugated upon the people without choice & The Crown Colony exploited the people as it controlled their natural & economic resources for the benefit of the Crown govt. (not the people) without being democratically accountable to the people
The UN decided Crown Colony govt. was an unacceptable form of govt. for all peoples , whether or not they are indigenous or immigrant peoples & all peoples subjugated to them would be granted freedom by the UN Declaration on the granting of independence to colonial countries & peoples
Thus full implementation of resolution 1514(XV) in each British Crown Colony including the Falkland Islands is required by the UNGA. It is a matter of record Argentina voted for resolution 1514(XV) to apply to the Falkland Islands & also that the vote for this resolution was carried unanimously by the UNGA, with the UK abstaining its vote
Argentina's only duties under resolution 1514(XV) is to assist the Falkland Islanders with its full implementation, i.e. transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories, without any conditions or reservations & for Argentina to cease all repressive measures against them
This is why self-determination applies to Falklanders
I think that in this forum there are also indoctrinated people paid by the argy governement just to create trouble,they have what they call “observatorio malvinas” ,which houses in the congress building,anyhow their battle spirit is very limited.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0193@Zethee
Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0194@Domingo
195@expat
You really know HOW to turn things upside down, twist em and make em look like we´re in the wrong. READ, READ Resolution 2065, ALL of it, the introductory text before the “invitation” to the 2 parties to discuss the matter does count as an effective part of the whole Text of Resol.2065. IT CLEARLY SAYS, ...“Noting the EXISTENCE of a DISPUTE between the Governments of ARGENTINA AND the UNITED KINGDOM of Great Britain and Northern Ireland CONCERNING SOVEREIGNTY over the said Islands,..”
RES 2065 derived from the 1514 from 1960, NOT the other way around.
SO, for the UN and everyone Res 2065 supersedes 1514 regarding the specific issue of the Malvinas dispute.
So, all the UN (plus all 32 countries in the OAS, including the USA) all understand there is a dispute over the sovereignty of the Malvinas. And they all understand it is an issue between ARGENTINA and the UK (the Islanders being British citizens occupying Argentine Soil usurped back in 1833 by an act of force.
NO SELF-DETERMINATION applies to the Falklanders.
TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF ARGENTINA was violated by the UK who planted people there. It is all documented. You can go on skipping the issue forever but we will never stop claiming for what IS Argentine Territory. IF the Islanders (British citizens) want to stay in the islands, they can, they will be treated accordingly, but if they DONT WANT TO because they wanna live ON BRITISH SOIL, well, I´d invite the Islanders to pack up and leave Argentina. Islanders: You ARE CURRENTLY LIVING IN ARGENTINA, not in the UK. Or, in other words, You are British citizens “de facto” residing in Argentine soil. Thus, you are illegal residents.
Yes, the resolution notes that there is a dispute over sovereignty. No one is denying that. No where in the resolution does it invite us to discuss sovereignty, nowhere.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 03:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0“interests of the population of the Falkland Islands”
It also refrences resolution 1514 which states
“All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.”
The resolutions clearly state the opposite from what you're saying. And i know what's coming; Nowhere in the UN does it say that humans have to be under subjugation to be entitled to Self Determination. The text is clear:
“All peoples have the right to self-determination”
It's right there.
”So, all the UN (plus all 32 countries in the OAS, including the USA) all understand there is a dispute over the sovereignty of the Malvinas“
The whole world understands there is a dispute, not one person here is denying that.
”NO SELF-DETERMINATION applies to the Falklanders.“
Self Determination is a human right, human rights apply to every human. You will not find any UN document in the world which states otherwise. There is no clause where human rights are not applicable.
”TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY OF ARGENTINA“
You governed the islands for a year, max. They were never an integral part of your nation.
”(British citizens) want to stay in the islands, they can, they will be treated accordingly”
They do want to, they will and our government will treat them accordingly. Argentina can do one, if you have a problem with that, you can take it to the ICJ and embarrass yourself in a court of law.
Gotey, some scenarios for you:
Apr 06th, 2011 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Scenario 1. Before Argentine independence, the Falklands were British. What Argentina did between 1820 and 1833 was not enough to overcome the existing British sovereignty.
Scenario 2. Before Argentine independence, the Faklands were Spanish. Argentina did not inherit the Falklands from Spain because Argentina achieved its independence by force without Spain's consent. Spain did not begin to relinquish any territories in the Americas until 1836. What Argentina did in the Falklands between 1820 and 1833 was not enough to overcome the existing Spanish sovereignty, so when the UK took over in 1833, it was Spain's prerogative to complain, not Argentina's. When Spain did recognise Argentina, it was no longer in the position to cede the Falklands as they were no longer in Spain's possession.
Scenario 3. The first to establish full effective control of the entire archipelago, and therefore the first to establish full sovereignty, was the UK. And that was not until after 1833. Before 1833 no-one had established full effective control. The British were limited to Port Egmont; the French, Spanish, and Argentines were limited to Port Louis.
Whichever way you look at it, the Falklands are not, and never have been, Argentine territory.
And 'supersede' means 'replace'. 2065 does not replace 1514, because 2065 asks the parts to take 1514 into account.
Glad thats all sorted.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0All Argentina has to do now is apologise and pay compensation.
@192 Gotey, you seem to think that you know a lot about my subconcious. Are you per chance a pyschologist, or any other ...ist?
Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You know nothing senor. lt shows in your complete distortion of facts. l couldn't be bothered to argue with you point by point so l'll just say, if you are so sure that you are right, why doesn't your country take its case to the lnternational Court of Justice? No more need to be said.
175 Think,
Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, Salt Lake City, Utah. (no, I'm not mormon)
177 GeoffWard,
No, I was kidding, I was making fun of other posters here who claim to have all this wealth an attributes, supposedly they're “talking down” to us poor saps… haha
I'm actually 34, run 5 miles a day and drive a Peugeot 505 lol
178 WestisBest,
I can quote two people making the kind of spectacular statements we're making fun of, Teaboy2 the millionaire ninja, British… and Dan4, the super-styled life fake “Argentine”, who is five times more British than Teaboy2.
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The Poster “Think” wrote on comment #96:
”Dan4??? : Too rich, too intelligent, too successful, too important and too modest to be Argentinean :~)“
Dan4: You forgot ”too good-looking“ and ”too irresistible”, but since I'm also magnanimous, humble and understanding, you're forgiven for the oversight.
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”too good-looking“ and ”too irresistible”…
Too gay… lol
(#) 166--
Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think has 9 log in accounts not 7.
He keeps guard 24 hours here.
Ok Geo, Ed and Yul…………………
Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0You win ……………………................................I confess.
Some of my best Anglo personifications are:
Mr. Justin Kuntz
Lady Isolde
Mr. GeoffWard
Some of my best Argie personifications are:
Sr. Tim
Sr. Bill Hayes
Sr. Artillero601
Some of my best Turnip personifications are
StickupyourJunta
Briton
Frank “the Yank”
And so many more………………………;~)))
Secret Agent, Think
Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0203,
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Glad I'm not on your list... lol
@197
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not wishing to undermine your post, but you mention that Argentina had 'governed the islands for a year, max', and I think that is too generous a statement.
On 25 September 1832 the de Rosas Government sent Captain Jean Etienne Mestivier and 26 Soldiers and their wives and children (some of the soldiers were criminals serving sentences in armed service), in the armed Schooner Sarandi, to establish a military garrison on the Falkland Islands. On 28 September 1832 British charge d'affaires, Henry Fox made an official protest in Buenos Aires.
They landed at Port Loius on 6 October 1832, and performed an formal ceremony on 10 October 1832 taking over the Falkland Islands. Mestivier was murdered 51 days later on 30 November 1832 by his own men.
Meanwhile the armed Schooner Sarandi under Captain Pinedo had been sent on patrol on 10 October, and whilst away had interfered with a US Schooner Sun, ordering them to leave the Falkland Islands. Pinedo did not return to Port Louis until 31 December 1832, finding the place in a state of chaos.
Three days later, Captain John James Onslow, arrived at Port Louis with the Sloop HMS Clio on 2 January 1833, a ship sent by Britain to pay the first of a series of intended annual visits to ensure British Sovereignty of the Falkland Islands.
The next day, on 3 January 1833, Captain Onslow took down the Buenos Aires Flag, hosted the Union Flag, and ordered the Argentine garrison and their wives and children to leave the islands, but four of the existing civilian population also decided they had had enough of life on the islands, and left for Buenos Aires with the Argentine garrison. The rest of the civilian population remained under British Sovereignty.
So at best we're talking 51 days under Mestivier, and 4 days under Pinedo, giving a total of 55 days Argentine attempt at Governing the Falkland Islands.
I just think referring to less than two months actual occupation as 'a year. max' is too generous in the circumstances.
Cher Isode
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We can relax now.
You are me.
I am Frank the Yank.
Our secret is safe ;-)))
Knowing me is knowing you.....AHA!
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0206 Wireless,
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You forgot:
The next day, Captain Pinedo's dog farted extremely loud, this caused great unrest amongst the inhabitants resulting in a warrant for the dog's arrest. Finally on 1 January they fired the dog out of Sarandi's main cannon, as the dog flew violently into the horizon he shouted “VIVA PERON CARAJOOOO!!!”.
174 years of lies and distortion from the British and you think that everything you read is true, poor idiot.
(208) Westi….
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep quiet………………… or your name will go on my list.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V3SqxUomwk
@209
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The next day, Captain Pinedo's dog farted extremely loud, this caused great unrest amongst the inhabitants resulting in a warrant for the dog's arrest. Finally on 1 January they fired the dog out of Sarandi's main cannon, as the dog flew violently into the horizon he shouted “VIVA PERON CARAJOOOO!!!”.'
It wouldn't surprise me if Argentina actually submitted that as its version of the truth. However, submissions have to be to the right place, and until Argentina submits any evidence to the ICJ it won't matter at all.
211,
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#209 would be far more credible than anything coming out of your mouth.
@ Think ... you are a highly sophisticated individual with a taste for undercover work. Please tell me that you are NOT an ex SIDE man!! turned against the military for personal reasons or professional disappointments. ..
Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm NOT an ex SIDE man turned against the military for personal reasons or professional disappointments. ..
Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i want to reflect on the old argument of implantation of people like Gotey said.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In Argentina the indians were killed or transfered to neutralizaed by the expedition of general Roca,on their territory were implanted inmigrants who came from Europe .
Nowadays the territorial integrity argument is not more popular uin the world ,only the desires of the inhabitants,look at Kosovo,macedonia,Bosnia,even the inhabitants of the island Saint Pierrre et Miquelon ,10 miles from Newfoundland-canada want to reamin french and canada respects their wishes.
Take Gibraltar ,the population is etnical andaluz ,but they dont want to join Spain ,they want to keep British or independent.
Malvinas is nothing compared to the UK's total claim in the South Atlantic, people overlook this too easily. UK's plan for everyone to focus solely on “the islanders wishes” works pretty well... except in South America.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People in Argentina know nothing about the Kelpers and their wishes, they don't know what a Kelper is. And that is exactly how it should be.
The only issue that matters is the 5 million km2 the UK claims, nothing else.
NOTHING... ELSE.
Well why aren't you doing something about it Martin? Even if by some miracle you got your grubby hands on the Falklands that wouldn't give you the British Antarctic Territories et al so why all this MALVINAS SON ARGENTINAS crap?
Apr 06th, 2011 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0216 Brazil got the best lands in South America, yet you accept that. UK got some beautiful islands and a whole lot of sea. Whats the difference? Is it cos we white?
Apr 06th, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@196 Gotey:
Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong. 2065 says 1514 appliesto case of Falkland Islands & under the principles of territorial integrity UN Charter Article 2(4) says:
“All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state”
i.e. Existing territorial entities are agreed to remain intact and inviolable by other states at the formation of the UN
The Falklands Islands have been an integral part of British territories for 178 years, the Islanders are culturally, politically & ethnically unified with Britain & for others to force their secession against their will would be a clear an “attempt aimed at the partial or total disruption of the national unity & the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations”
Furthermore the British view is the forcible transfer of the Argentine Command of 1832 to the Falklands & the arbitrary implantation of an Argentine population does not form the basis of an Argentine claim for sovereignty because the Argentine objective was to destroy the territorial integrity of the U.K. by its illegal occupation which was formally diplomatically protested before action was taken to stop it because the U.K. had a prior sovereignty claim and agreement of Sovereignty with Spain through the Nootka Conventions
Furthermore Argentina formally acquiesed to British sovereignty of the Falkland Islands in the 1850 in the Convention of Settlement
Furthermore in recent history the UN demanded the withdrawn of the Argentine invasion forces and cessation of Argentine hostilities during the 1982 in its Security Council Resolution 502, a further explicit recognition of British territorial integrity and the status quo
The UN recognises that Argentina disputes extant British territorial integrity and sovereignty in resolution 2065(XX) & requests both parties to resolve Argentina's dispute peacefully
@Be serious
Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please Be allow me to disagree with you over the white issue, last time when I was in Britain you can hardly see a white person. Oops!
Look the racist BNP in UKi they have to accept non-white members due to the difficult to find whites members. Hahaha
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01420/nick-griffin-egg_1420327i.jpg
What can we do?
“last time when I was in Britain you can hardly see a white person”
Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:14 am - Link - Report abuse 085.7% of the population in the United Kingdom are classified as White British.
Look Martin Irons ,it is time that they begin to teach in th e argentine schools about the kelpers,because in the near future they will be a soverieng neighbour country,thats why argentina is hurryng so much nowadays about the Falkland matter,because they now that in the future they will loose -
Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0By the way ,you know that the writer of Martin Fierro,Jose Hernandez is of English origin.
@Zethee
Apr 07th, 2011 - 03:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“85.7% of the population in the United Kingdom are classified as White British.”
And do you really believe that?
Really?
Well they must be very well hidden.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00644/news-graphics-2007-_644190a.jpg
“In the next 10/15 years whites in Britain will be a minority ethnic group.
According to an independent think tank Migration Watch UK, Whites are already a minority in cities like London, Leicester, Birmingham...”
Zethee you should go outside more often.
220 Is it cos we multi coloured then?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 07:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@207Think, you are dying to get me to spill the beans on Frank, aren't you my dear Think. But l will not. l see that you like Dad's Army. Anyone who likes Dad's Army can't be all bad. There is hope for you yet.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And do you really believe that?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really?
Zethee you should go outside more often.”
Well, given that my current job is for the 2011 census i'd say i have a better idea than most. I also get to go out and meet a lot of people, given the natrue of the job.
Sorry I mistook the use of the word “supersede” above. Waht I meant to say was “prevail”. And yes, you are correct, Res 2065 prevails but since it is derived from 1514, it does NOT rule it out.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YET, it is Res 2065 that stands out as the one both parties in the dispute must first heed, without of course, disregarding the 1514 from 1960.
ONLY 2 PARTIES INVOLVED: the UK on one side, ARGENTINA on the other. The Object: the Sovereignty of the Islas Malvinas and the islanders (100% of them being FULL British Citizens just like, say, Londoners are). The UN eyes (or anyone with common sense) can not make or establish a difference between British citizens in the Malvinas and those in the UK (except of course, for the fact that the ones living in Malvinas are forcefully and illegally occuppying them).
It is like trying to split the US people between those living in New York and those living in Hawai.?¿? WOW, strange thing there!
THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE: tell me, WHO are the Judges-members there??? What nationality are they????? Taking the case to the ICJ would be like taking it into the PROPER HANDS of the people in 10 Downing Street. Oh, yes, believe me. That is why Argentina does not fall into that booby-trap!
Last time we asked you to the ICJ there was an Argentinian judge on the court.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The ICJ is the only chance you have.
Gotey,if you read a little argentine history than you discover that argentina most of the times falls in a booby trap !,look at the beagle question with Chile ,the botnia mkills with uruguay,the antartic territory now internationalized,the problem is that there are no trained argentines to win a international case
Apr 08th, 2011 - 02:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@227 Gotey,so you are saying that the ICJ is not impartial? Or put it another way, you will go to the ICJ when you know before hand that the judges favour Argentina. lt shows that deep down you know you are wrong but will not admit it.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for the rest of your rant, l lost interest when you said we were “forcefully & illegally” occupying our OWN land.
You're an idiot, boy.
@227 Gotey:
Apr 08th, 2011 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're wrong. The UN General Assembly did establish a difference between British citizens in the Falkland Islands and those in the UK. The difference was clear and was huge namely that the Falklanders were subjugated to an autocratic and alien form of colonialism as a Crown Colony.
Therefore the UN General Assembly voted for resolution to apply to the case of the Falkland Islands people. Because of this UN General Assembly vote the Falkland Islands are included on the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation list as a non-self-governing territory.
It is the job of the UN Special Committee on Decolonisation to examine the application of the resolution 1514(XV) Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples in the Falkland Islands
The Special Committee on Decolonisation is also able to make suggestions and recommendations on the progress and extent of the implementation of the Declaration in the Falkland Islands by the U.K. as the Administrating Country and to report to the General Assembly on the U.K.'s proper implementation of resolution 1514(XV) in the Falkland Islands
In 1961 the Falkland Islanders were not free to choose their own form of government nor freely determine their own political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development
Today the Falkland Islanders are free to make their own choices, independent of the UK government.
Since 1961 the U.K. has implemented much of 1514(XV) for the Falkland Islanders, perhaps that it why you find it difficult in 2011 to see the difference between the Falklanders and UK citizens?
Today the Falkland Islanders exercise their democratic freedom and chose to freely associate with the U.K.
If that is their free democratic choice, then I will respect it. It is their choice after all and no-one elses
-YET, it is Res 2065 that stands out as the one both parties in the dispute must first heed, without of course, disregarding the 1514 from 1960.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UNGA resolutions are non binding in international law. A state has no legal obligation to comply with any of them.
-ONLY 2 PARTIES INVOLVED: the UK on one side, ARGENTINA on the other.
The UK acts on behalf of the Falklands and won't do anything without the consent of the Falklands.
-(100% of them being FULL British Citizens just like, say, Londoners are)
Every territory on the UN decolonisation list has the full citizenship of its metropolitan state. Full citizenship of the metropolitan state is no impediment to self-determination.
-(except of course, for the fact that the ones living in Malvinas are forcefully and illegally occuppying them).
Nothing illegal about it. The Falklands never have been Argentine territory. See my post N° 198 above for why they've never been Argentine territory.
-It is like trying to split the US people between those living in New York and those living in Hawai.?¿? WOW, strange thing there!
Hawaii was on the UN decolonisation list. It exercised its right to self-determination in 1959 by voting to become a US state.
-THE INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE: tell me, WHO are the Judges-members there??? What nationality are they?????
Japan, Slovakia, Sierra Leone, Jordan, Germany, France, New Zealand, Mexico, Russia, Brazil, Somalia, UK, China, USA.
If a state has no judge in the list, it can appoint an ad hoc judge to sit with the other judges. That's what Argentina and Uruguay did in the Botnia case.
-Taking the case to the ICJ would be like taking it into the PROPER HANDS of the people in 10 Downing Street. Oh, yes, believe me. That is why Argentina does not fall into that booby-trap!
If so, the UK would've won all its ICJ cases. It has won 2, lost 3, and partly won, partly lost 1. The fact is, the ICJ is the only UN organ that can decide the sovereignty of a disputed territory.
@231 & 232, you're wasting your breath, chaps. They refuse to listen unless it suits them.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ln their minds there is only one outcome, no matter how you get there.
They DEMAND complete sovereignty & will settle for nothing less. Demand, indeed! Thats the one thing they'll never get.
Now they want to stack the court!
Dab: I re-read your post 198 above.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Scenario 1: FALSE. Before Argentine Independence, the Malvinas were British. SHEER FULL LIE.
Scenario 2: Before Argentine independence, the Faklands were Spanish. Argentina did not inherit the Falklands from Spain because Argentina achieved its independence by force without Spain's consent. Spain did not begin to relinquish any territories in the Americas until 1836. CORRECT UP TO HERE. “UTI POSSIDETIS IURE” is the International Legal principle by which Argentina took immediate ownership of Malvinas in 1816 (without consent from Spain, THIS is obvious), and only in 1820 did Argentina proceed to effectively occuppy the islands all the way to 1833.
Scenario 3: SHEER FULL LIE. no comments.
QUESTION: WHAT is the role of the UN security council? Just asking.
“UTI POSSIDETIS IURE” ... THIS is obvious”
Apr 09th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you could provide us with the Uk's signature with this law.
WHAT is the role of the UN security council?
Why ask a question to which you already know the answer?
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