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“Loyalty rewards loyalty” message from Moyano to Cristina Fernandez
Argentina’s powerful organized labour leader Hugo Moyano has sent another strong message thanking workers for “being loyal to him” at the same time his teamsters were granted a 24% rise in wages. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesInflation is 0,5 % but Moyano's teamsters were granted a 24% rise in wages. lol what a joke, what a lie. Poor woman, Moyano is giving her a big one from behind, sadly many people believe this woman has some authority. Anyway, if conditions in Latin America change, bon voyage Cristina, there will be no money left for you to make money gifts to “keep them” under control. Enjoy it mujer estúpida, Crisabelita.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0bari,
Apr 01st, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0What exactly bothers you so much about CFK? How is she damaging the country?
Corruption and reckless, feckless spending are the reasons for Argentina’s decline from a once developed country to the economic mess they are destined to remain. Their failure to pay back debts and rein in spending has made them virtual pariahs in the financial markets.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lending money to the government of Argentina is like giving a credit card to a belligerent, immature, spendthrift and expecting them to use it wisely.
The people of Argentina deserve so much more.
“the economic mess they are destined to remain”
Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well... thank you Elaine for that derogatory and condescending comment, but it is totally unfounded and I'm afraid we can't grant your wish.
As Latin America's third largest economy and one of the G-20 major economies Argentina is considered an emerging economy, so I fail to understand your logic.
@4. I was certainly not meaning to be offensive. My point is that Argentina is destined to remain in financial chaos until the problems of institutional corruption and over-spending are addressed. It wouldn't hurt to actually collect the outstanding taxes from the rich too. This is something the Argentine government has been tardy about for decades and is part of the corruption issue. I have interviewed many a wealthy Argentine businessman and without exception they defended their refusal to pay all their taxes due on the basis that it would just go into the pocket of corrupt government officials. (No defence in my mind for refusal to pay when the average worker has no choice but to pay).
Apr 01st, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I sincerely hope for the best for Argentina. I adore the country and can see the potential for greatness. Argentina, along with many other countries, may be considered an emerging economy but unlike any other SoAm country it once achieved developed status and frittered it away through bad economic management. I cannot see that the management has improved. JMO
Yes, corruption is a valid point. It's real and it does need to be addressed.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Overspending however, if you give me an example of an unjustified investment I'd be very interested. I always thought Argentina didn't spend enough on itself. Lately there's been an increase on the development of the infrastructure, production plants, schools, motorways. You must be referring to other types of spending, obviously.
The one issue I am extremely frustrated about is the construction of the four Oceanic Patrol vessels Argentina was supposed to build in partnership with Chile. Chile already built two, the Comandante Toro and the Piloto Pardo patrol ships, Argentina.... none. Why? Corruption, I can think of no other reason.
Overspending in this respect refers to the government continually spending money above and beyond what it could ever hope to collect in revenue.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I absolutely agree that successive governments have not invested in the infastructure. So, one has to question exactly where the money has been spent. This probably leads us back to the corruption issue again.
Some of you make the distinction that corruption is only at the top. I believe it exist at all levels. I've seen it personally; top,bottom, middle,.. makes no difference. It seems to be an ethical problem,..some call it a cultural difference. Until it is publicly acknowledged, I don't see an end to it.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Apr 01st, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Well... thank you for that derogatory and condescending comment, but it is totally unfounded and I'm afraid we can't grant your wish. ”
That could be the standard reply to all of your posts on anything to do with the Falklands Martin.
@8 I don't think it is only a top tier problem. I have also witnessed it at all levels and seen people react with admiration for people 'beating the system' one way or another.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I doubt we wish to debate cultural relativism here but it does make corruption difficult to eradicate without the will of the majority.
ElaineB !
Apr 01st, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everything is based on - human nature and behaviours - eventually .
The Law is normative but the Economy is not normative
in principle and their applications.(normative = standart)
but,i must add a thing that you can not order a country by
ignoring both internal-external powers who control and menage
relative strategical factors.
I mean that you must take armies , secret services .. etc into account !
and don't forget ideologies ....
unfortunately,we live in terrible and complex world !
It would be interesting to know what this Hugo Moyano , thinks of the Falklands, does he have an interest, this guy gives the impression that not only would he like to challenge Christina, but would like to rule Argentina, he certainly seems more arrogant and forward than Christina,
Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if he has no interest in power, then it mattes not, but if he has claims on power, and does challenge and win, how would this change argentines foreign policy, just a thought .
If any one thing would generate a spasmic return to Military governance it is likely to be overt governance of the nation by the organised union bosses.
Apr 01st, 2011 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Corrupt or not, unions were never designed to run countries, and can only bring the ultimate disasters that the military believe that only they can redress.
Could you be the biggest idiot in history of mankind? Yes you can! Now we add another enemy to our list, thank you Cristina. Cristina de Kirchner is a marionette, a few months ago she was in Turkey, and now this, forget about Istanbul Cristina. These people are dwelling on the past forever! Israel is happier now, smile :)
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/04/01/1946623/argentine-judge-turkey-caused.html
This is the judge Oyarbide, this guy loves men, they give them men for his pleasure and he does everything they want him to do, there was a video of Oyarbide having sex with a male prostitute, this government if worst than stepping on fecal matter lol
Moyano, Oyarbide y el “Patón” Basile
http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/04/01/1946623/argentine-judge-turkey-caused.html
9 WestisBest,
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 03:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know what a “Falkland” is, sorry.
#12/
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0don't disdain Moyano !
he is very more powerful than presidents & governments .
also vigilant and resilient man !
“don't disdain Moyano ! He is very more powerful than presidents & governments . Also vigilant and resilient man !” (Yul @ #16)
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0If he is this powerful, perhaps he should be in charge of Unasur. Someone this powerful could resist the USA, China, and Big Business the world over!
Where he might take South America is another matter altogether. The Americans have a phrase involving Hell and Handcarts.
yul (#)
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0#12/don't disdain Moyano
explain please no expresso
@15
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands” Martin, I suggest that instead of acting tough on here you apply yourself to your spelling & geography lessons boy.
Geoff /
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0U have discernment problem ! why ?
briton/
U understand what i mean ...
Moyano is one of the shadow leaders and highly strategic man
in Argentine system ..beyond his Trade Union leadership !
Yul @ #20,
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I view Moyano as a man in trouble with the law,
not for leading his unions to close down newspapers,
nor for trying to get the present president to accept him for high office,
but for the allegations of corrupt practice and diverting money from the State into his own bank accounts.
If he is shown by the law to be totally innocent of corruption, then he should be able to be accepted on the CFK ticket.
But, to me, his actions with the newspapers mean that he should never be accepted into national governance - he has already shown himself as unsuitable for high office.
This is why I call him The Southern Hoffa; he may well suffer the same fate.
Rasputin was a 'shadow leader'; he did for the Romanovs.
I don't like shadowy/shady figures.
I want my leaders in the light where I can see them - and where I can better judge their worlth.
But the point in question, would this change argentines foreign policy
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if this powerfull man found himself in power,??
Geoff/
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as well known that Clarin had some interrelations once during
80s years with Militar Junta....there might be revenge doings...
Shadow Leaders have been writing the History since antique era
This is reality. !
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