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Malvinas are Argentine for ever and “we will never yield in our claim”

Saturday, April 2nd 2011 - 19:36 UTC
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“The Malvinas are Argentine for ever” and this government “will never yield in our claim” promised President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner during the main commemoration of the Malvinas war Fallen and Veterans Day in Rio Gallegos, Santa Cruz province. Read full article

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  • Wireless

    Pfft!

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    My British friends told me very very interesting ,confidential things
    about Falklands-- Argentina--UK relations ...!

    I haven't read and heard them right before ! very very interesting !

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    I seriously doubt you have any friends.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    When it comes to politicians i would not be surprised at anything, its well know they would sell your mother if it gave them extra pennies,
    As for your leader, for only if you believe that the blind can lead the blind, then the blind will actually lead the blind straight into hell .

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @2 .. yul , what planet are you from? Are you human? Are you trying to contact us thru MercoPress??

    @4 Rise and Rise again until Lambs become Lions !!!

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • saphira

    someone watched Robin Hood

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    look what they do for the Lion Heart !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Ah, but in this case, the lion is still fast asleep ?

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    still looking for the honest man briton??

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    yep
    we need another lion heart,
    not this shower we have in charge,

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    too bad he spoke French only ......

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ha ha very good, still we had him for six months if im correct, and years with john, aaaaaa disaster .

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    jajajaja!!! you had John , we have Cristina !!!

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    well at least you got the pretty one ?

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    you think? I rather keep the Lion Heart !!

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ha ha agreed

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    2 yull
    Sorry!! Is he your dating English friend?

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    I better stop otherwise “Think” will not allow me to go back to the mother land !!

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Warrah

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Las Malvinas son Argentina, yes, but this country is so sick we're f*cking full of hate. After seeing what I've seen minutes ago, I'm sure that will never have the islands back. Can someone be as f*cked up in the head as to kill their own children's chances for a good life with their own sh*t? And now I know why the islanders believe that this government is not telling the truth about not being willing to attack the islands. Do you know what I'm talking about, Argentine posters? I'm sure you do. If you don't, think about it and you'll know what I'm saying, and if you really love our country you'll feel like I'm feeling now. I really hope one day we'll be able to kill you all, each one of you Kirchnerists. It will take lives to rebuild this country. Now you must thank Cristina and supporters.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @#20 Here here Xbarilox. To me Christina is looking more and more like a dictator, her speeches remind me of Hitler. Hell she even has a youth movement named after her like hitler did. The sooner argentina is rid of her and her croonies the better for the true argentine people like yourself. Though the islands will never be argentinas and never were.

    Hell now she planning of using a school teachers letter from 1982 to brainwash your children with even more hatred towards the islanders and UK, and educate them in the false claims argentina claim over the islands. The argentine government say they are peaceful yet all the rehtoric comeing from there mouths and economic aggression towards to the islands says otherwise.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    Malvinas for ever in my heart.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/#

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @2

    Wow....someone told you something once that you're not going to tell us....

    it's one hell of a compelling argument yul, you impress me.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @22 - Taking over from Marcos for posting Links to nonesense blogs on the telegraph are we Mal?

    I think the description of the writers says it all really “Brendan O'Neill is the editor of spiked, an independent online phenomenon dedicated to raising the horizons of humanity by waging a culture war of words against misanthropy, priggishness, prejudice, luddism, illiberalism and irrationalism in all their ancient and modern forms.”

    What a complete Prick he is.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    A islander enamored of the Argentina
    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1362078-la-historia-del-malvinense-que-se-enamoro-de-la-argentina
    Greetings to the people of the islands. Also for Isolde, Red, Justin, Monty, Zethee, Roberts, Marcos, xbarilox, etc ,etc. I hope to see you all in a asado.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    In, or on?

    ;)

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @#25 - And yet another pointless link posted by Mal that does nothing to change historical facts. One mans preference, if he truely is who he says he is, is just that - His preference. He speaks for himself not for the islanders. Do you think argentinians would welcome him if he agreed with the islanders? Nah i don't think so.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @27 All are welcome. You too.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    Briton,
    Please !! have a look this link, It is for you but just for special real kelpers

    http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1362078-la-historia-del-malvinense-que-se-enamoro-de-la-argentina

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Thank you Malvinense 1833.

    “There is one simple solution to Britain and Spain’s spat over Gibraltar, which has hit the headlines once again following Spanish Crown Prince Felipe’s subtle moan to Prince Charles about Britain’s continuing rule over the Rock. And that solution is to have a look at a map. Anyone who does that, and who exercises his BRAIN while doing so, will see that Gibraltar is quite clearly a part of Spain, just as surely as the Falkland Islands are a part of Argentina, and that it therefore should be governed by Spain.”
    Brendan O'Neill

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100082174/why-the-british-political-class-is-so-snooty-about-gibraltar/#

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    People are entitled to there opinion. Won't change anything and doesn't make it fact.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • alexius

    Well, very simple! Let us all go back to year 1833. All national borders should be like they were in 1833. This of course also include the South American continent, (which means half (sw)-part of Argentina ought to be given back to the original indian people.). Fair or unfair? Any protest? Do some people have double-standards or?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    @32 We can go to the time of Columbus.
    Yankees. Do not talk in his films of the conquest of the American West, killing Indians. John Wayne, Robert Mitchum, out.
    There are many unfair things in the world. We are still struggling.
    First you start the Chagos island and then continue the discussion.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    UK out of Malvinas
    UK out of Georgias Del Sur
    UK out of Sandwich Del Sur
    UK... don't even think about Antártida Argentina

    ARGENTINA... keep pressing, don't stop until ALL our sovereignty has been RECOVERED.

    BRITISH... OUT OF SOUTH AMERICA!!!!!!!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sj_ken

    The people living on the Falkland/Malvinas Islands do not want to be part of Argentina. You lost a war in 1982, you lost your claim to the Falkland/Malvinas Islands.

    This sounds like the Argentine governments smoke screen to cover up the fact they can't solve Argentina's real problems.
    Hopefully Argentina's people are not really this gullible.

    If the problems in Argentina get bad enough, will there be another war to take people's minds off the real problems?

    President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner wants the Ilse Malvinas/ Falkland Islands back from Brittan. Maybe she will give Paraguay back the land Argentina took from Paraguay?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    zzzzz zzzzzzzz

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @35 sj_ken, There will be another war.
    @34 Martino, Spanish, get out of South America.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Anybody notice the clashes of logic? “Malvinas are ours for ever”, followed immediately by “we will never yield in our claim”.

    So if they are Argentina's forever, then Argentina must therefore currently be exercising sovereignty over them...but wait on a second!...Why then do you need to perpetually claim something if it is currently yours forever????!!!???

    But mind you when has the Argentine state ever approached this issue in a rationale logical manner, some sensible ideas and words were briefly said by Carlos Menem, but that was the highlight of what we called rationale logic in Argentine diplomacy :)

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @30. Using geographic proximity to establish ownership might be a tad risky. You know, I have always coveted my neighbour's swimming pool and as it is right next door I think I shall go and claim it as mine!
    Also, would you be happy for Chile to claim ownership of Argentina because it looks close on a map?

    Given the very real and immediate problems Argentina's President should be addressing, does it occur to anyone there that this may be successful diversionary tactics by CFK?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    2=Yul ; good morning.You roused up newly ?
    I don't know what you heard from your mates,
    All America and All Africa continents countries are always dirty .

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    #5/
    I came from a alien space planet which is called the World !

    #16/
    U are on panic , reason ?

    #23/
    They can't be told openly...also I promised to be tight mouth !

    #40/
    the -- dirty-- word is even short,
    but i can't blame peoples, countries ..
    just the handiworks of few immoral idiots ... very vicious !

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (37) Isolde

    You say:
    “ There will be another war.”

    I say:
    Who are you going to attack?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    42 Think,

    “Who are you going to attack?”

    Name it...

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    “The Malvinas are Argentine for ever” and this government “will never yield in our claim” promised President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.

    So which statement is correct - because, logically, they cannot both be so?
    Or are both statements false?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Well we can't claim something that we don't seriously believe is ours. Can we?

    Back to Think's #42

    Come to think of it Argentina has never attacked another country, that is a distinction shared almost exclusively amongst “superpowers”. ;-)

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Every three months or so this borderline deranged woman brings up the issue again, makes a few irrational remarks and gets what is purely an emotional response from maybe 1/3 of the Argentine population. Roughly the same 1/3 that is gullible and nationalistic enough to be fooled over and over again by those who appease them with empty rhetoric instead of enacting anything resembling a sound policy. Two lessons can be learned from this: A) The Falklands will remain British for the foreseeable future, which is good for their inhabitants because Argentina is increasingly becoming a branch of hell, and B) Voters get the governments they deserve.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Geoff, meet Dan4

    Dan4, meet Geoff

    “Argentina is increasingly becoming a branch of hell...”

    I take it you're from the islands and all you know is what you read or watch on TV. It all boils down to one thing and one thing only, ignorance. You have no idea what Argentina is like or what we expect from our president.

    I can sit here and say that the UK is shit. Now how the hell would I know that? I've never been there.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Martin just let me say that you are a genius .....that's it, that's all I have ....jajaja!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Doesn't take a genius to see that Dan4 has never been to Argentina.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Come to think of it Argentina has never attacked another country”

    Conquest of the desert.
    Falklands war.
    War of the tripple alliance.
    War of the confederation.
    Asuncion.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    the conquest of the desert was not an attack to another country .....

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @47 What is your view of your country and what do you expect from your president? I am genuinely interested.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    50 Zethee,

    Conquest of the desert.
    Populating the desert can hardly be described as a war, it was the natives who attacked the European immigrants. Argentina's defense was not aimed at destroying the native people.

    Malvinas war.
    The name says it all, our land, not yours. We did in 1982 what we should have done in 1833, a little late, and badly planned.

    War of the Triple Alliance
    Several theories exist, no doubt you will pick the one that portrays Argentina as the bad guy. And of course the fact that Paraguay invaded both Corrientes (Argentina) and Rio Grande do Sul (Brazil) will be conveniently omitted.

    War of the confederation.
    I'm going to call complete bullshit on this one, sorry. This started first by Chile declaring war on Peru which started with a tariff disagreement. It was also Peru's plan to place a blockade over Buenos Aires with the help of the French navy. (go figure) Peru had it coming…

    Asuncion. ?
    Again you're referring to the War of the Triple Alliance

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Conquest of the desert.”
    It was there land, you landed, killed them and took there land.

    “Malvinas war.”
    You stated that you have never attacked another country. Nomatter your reasons you still attacked us. I am simply proving the fact that you are chatting shite again.

    “War of the Triple Alliance”
    Was wrong about this one, you attacked in defence.

    “War of the confederation.”
    You declared war then attacked them in Peru.

    “Asuncion. ?”
    Belgrano attacked the city to try and bring it under Argentine rule and lost. He was finally beaten again at tacuari and is the reason for there independance.

    You attacked Uruguay in the civil war.

    Stating that your nation has never attacked another nation is complete crap, even from you.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    changing the subject ..... why is Japan taking so freaking long to seal those Nuclear Plants?? Do they have nukes hiding there? is that why they don't want any assistance? Your thoughts please , and don't tell that “Conquest of the desert” is related to my question .....

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Well, one of the reasons seems to be that because of history they don't want the Chinese to help. The US fleets aren't in a major position to help as much as they could. While the Chinese fleet could have all there ships in the area helping within days.

    Also, nuclear plants aren't easy to fix and the country is a mess. I hope they get it sorted and no more people die from this disaster.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    52 ElaineB,

    My view of Argentina is that of someone who sees it from both the inside and the outside. Argentina's resources have been managed, post the Perón period, by a bunch of selfish, corrupt imbeciles. This caused the economy to stagnate and deteriorate rapidly. I believe we are just beginning to wake up from this, the right people are beginning to have the right influence. People like national delegate Mario Cafiero, who does not support the current presidency in all aspects, I dare say almost none. The national debt is a very complex issue, I don't claim to understand it, but it is said that this debt has been payed many times over. Interest on this debt is usually higher than the rate at which the economy grows, making this debt a chronic decease. People like Cavallo and Lavagna, who in 1982/1991 and 2004 respectively transferred debt from privately owned operations to the state represent what is called internally, the 'illegal debt'. I'm not sure how this is being looked into now, I would need to find out.

    Continued...

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Martin_Fierro, you speak out of sheer ignorance. I'm from Argentina, I also lived there most of my life. Most of my immediate family still lives there, and I don't need to read or watch TV about it. Argentina is a country that never misses a chance to disappoint me. Every time I think it has hit rock bottom, it sinks further. Do you think that the fact that the most capable Argentineans live overseas is a coincidence? All you can accuse me of is oft NOT being an irrational fanatic nationalist like you. By the way, saying “the UK is shit” only confirms your ignorance. The UK gave the world William Shakespeare, Geoffrey Chaucer, John Locke, John Stuart Mill, John Maynard Keynes, Alexander Pope, Charles Darwin and Bertrand Russel (to name but a few). Can you match that? I didn't think so. You and your groupies are not only wrong, you're also hopeless.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    …from #57 Answer to 52 ElaineB

    I think CFK has the right intentions, the right attitude. Whether or not she is being truthful, and whether or not she can overcome these chronic deceases the country faces, is yet to be seen. But since Nestor Kirchner took office and even more so since CFK took office there have been more changes for the better than for the worst. I will give you two examples. 1. The national aircraft factory, FMA, had been sold to McDonald Douglas, it simply stopped functioning. It is now back in the hands of the government and there are numerous projects in the works. 2. Tandanor, the national military shipyard in Buenos Aires, which run for a consecutive period of 112 years, was somehow sold to a private firm and driven straight to bankruptcy. Like the FMA, Tandanor is once again an industrial complex of the state and it appears to be doing very well.

    I think I've already made my opinion of CFK's attitude towards the sovereignty dispute more than obvious, she represents the sentiments of the Argentine people extremely well. What she needs from us Argentines, is a little faith and a little less cynicism.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @59 My apologies. You have answered my question fully, much appreciated.

    I know a great deal about the debt issue and you should spend some time, if you feel inclined, to look into it as I think you will see where the current financial troubles originate.

    There are three sides to every story in a dispute. Two points of view and the truth. Who was most culpable for the financial last crisis, the Argentine government or the IMF and the bond traders that brought a country to its' knees? The truth is all of them. (Personally I think the bond traders are a bunch of lying thieves but I am sure their mothers love them).

    I sincerely hope Argentina reaches its' potential but it will need the collective will of the people to do so. Institutional corruption has to become unacceptable at every level for a start. I could say more but I am not here to insult. I try to look objectively at the countries I work in and embrace the differences between them.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    60,
    I agree, and like I said I'm not an expert, let me know if you speak spanish I think this site would interest you. http://proyectonacional.wordpress.com/la-deuda-externa-es-imparable/ It's the one I'm trying to learn from, maybe you can tell me if the info is accurate or not.

    58 Dan4,

    I didn't say the UK was shit, I said that I don't know because I've never been there, you're the only one that didn't get what I said.

    “Every time I think it has hit rock bottom, it sinks further.”

    If you are what you say you are, you strike me as one of those Argentines that blame the country for all your misfortunes, regardless of what the state of the country may be. Nothing to do with you, right? It's all the country's fault.

    For your information, many… MANY Argentines that left Argentina during the worst periods are returning home, precisely because conditions in those countries are actually… WORST.

    http://proyectonacional.wordpress.com/la-deuda-externa-es-imparable/
    http://proyectonacional.wordpress.com/la-deuda-externa-es-imparable/
    http://proyectonacional.wordpress.com/la-deuda-externa-es-imparable/
    http://proyectonacional.wordpress.com/la-deuda-externa-es-imparable/

    You want to blame Argentina for all your misfortunes? Why don't you build a cross instead and nail yourself to it, you're probably a victim no matter what country you live in. Go to hell.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    What misfortunes, Martin_Fierro? I'm doing great both personally and professionally. I don't have to deal with insane inflation rates or devaluation, I don't fear they'll put my savings in a “corralito” and I live in a country where the official statistics are reliable and not simply made up. I also get paid well and in a stable currency, in accordance to my qualifications and WHAT I know instead of WHO I know. I go to Argentina roughly once every 2 years, and each time it looks worse than the previous one. It has gotten to the point where people cover potholes with dirt after getting tired of asking their municipalities to do it for months. Nobody told me, I saw it myself. Those who stay in Argentina are a) happy to live amidst mediocrity, b) don't know any better, c) wouldn't be capable of making it anywhere else, or d) have no other choices. Finally, I don't have to tell you to “go to hell” as you did. As far as I'm concerned, you're already there.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Martincho the fight continuesI ! I love my country , I don't love the morons in goverment. People left and made it somewhere else so what's the problem. But when you loose your identity as an argentine then we have a problem with those “wannabes” that criticize the country not the people in it. I admire a couple of thinks about the anglo saxon culture one of them is a very high sense of patriotism which WE DON”T HAVE!!!! ....do I continue??????

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    You're a monument of exaggeration, it's that simple. I just don't care for that.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Nice cop-out. Loser.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    64 was a reply to 62

    63, I have not lost my identity, never will, I would rather put a bullet in my head.

    I don't think Dan could say the same thing. Could you Dan?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Dana, where do you live?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    crik...crik...crik

    (grillos)

    No response?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Martin_Fierro: A) the right way to write it is “A monument TO exaggeration”, not “OF”. B) Letting your “identity” be defined by a mere geographical accident of birth is what deterministic losers would do. I'm a free man, therefore beyond those pedestrian limitations. My identity is defined by my choices and my abilities, not by a latitude. C) Regarding the “bullet in my head” comment, give me your address and I'll gladly send you a gun and ammo. Of course, there's a 50-50 chance that “Correo Argentino” will “lose” the package (i.e. steal it) on the way. Samuel Johnson was right, “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”. Your existence is a living, breathin QED.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    jajaja! Martin , obviously I was not talking about you BUT you guys just proved my point. You will never see 2 gringos going at it in this forum nor in public (probably they do it in private) BUT they stick together and we don't !!!!!!!!!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Barilox, I couldn't have put it in better words myself. The Kirchners, Moyanos, D'Elias, etc are destroying the country. They only keep going due to the soy bean produced by the farmers they hate so much. I sometimes wish the entire harvest would fail.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    69, thank you for the correction on the use of 'to' and 'of', good to know.

    “My identity is defined by my choices...” Whatever, I'm Argentine, simple.

    You're full of shit and you haven't told us where you live.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Hold on Tim, Did Moyano just bought a huge ranch? He can't be against the “campo” anymore correct? since now he is part of it?

    Dan, if you don't like Argentina so be it, just keep your comments to yourself and be happy. We already have ENOUGH opposition here !!! Thanks!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Yeah, definitely. I'm going to censor myself because Martin_Fierro and Artillero601 don't like what I write. Don't hold your breath. It ain't gonna happen.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    73,
    Good point, a gringo-wannabe is even worst than a gringo.

    Get lost

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    agreed !! .. Just FYI, 450 FAL disappeared from “el 1 de Patricios”. Martin, do you have them? if the answer is yes, can i have one?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    hahaha... I have a 9mm sig, it should do the trick just fine!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    just checking !! well allow me to disagree , a 7.62 x 51 caliber is something else!!
    On Danny boy, you miss the point, we live in a free society with freedom of speech so regardless if I like your comments or not is part of the debate. martin lives in Utah (argentine mormon) and I live in the Republic of Texas just in case if you want to know ..... the ain't thing is american, right?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    haha... I'm not mormon

    Dan.. another 'Frank' who won't say where he's from or where he lives.

    Weirdos

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kelperabout

    “The Malvinas are Argentine for ever” and this government “will never yield in our claim” promised President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.

    What a load of tripe. If she thinks these islands belong to Argentina how come they are not living here. Oh I forgot they don't belong to you do they.

    History proves that. When will you morans get it .

    As for war again you could not beat our British forces when you had already established key positions on the islands in 1982. What makes you think it will be easier this time round.

    Face it the Islands will never be Argentine and the quicker you get used to it the better.

    Seems we might also be enjoying a new wealth from the recent black gold find. You could say we have ze oil you don't.

    Pitty that your leaders are still brain washing your kids. Still you have to clutch at any straws because without your brain washing chances are most sensible Argentines would let us get on with our lives in our own Country.

    Good news is that last time I checked we were still British and your still over there complaining.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @80 ....History is a set of lies agreed upon.
    Napoleon Bonaparte

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Half of writing history is hiding the truth.

    Can't remember who said that but it makes sense.

    haha

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    (37) Isolde(GI Jane)
    “ There will be another war.”

    Isolde the letter ñ that you just learn how to type is to be used only as a letter of mass discussion not destruction!
    Remember?
    71 lsolde (#)
    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:00 am
    @68 Thank you Marcos, try that one, Think. ññññ-l've found a new toy.

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  • artillero601

    so Martin, you are not a mormon....what are you doing in Utah? most of our pasisanos live in Miami, New York and Los Angeles but you? ...you don't have to explain if you don't want , like Dan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    I agree Cristina, negotiations over sovereignty are pointless and at an end.
    The Falkland Islands will only be prised from our dead, cold fingers. And before you accept that offer again Marty. Think about it.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Artillero 601 (73). Quite correct, Moyano bought a property (not as large as they say) in Henderson some 5 years ago; Randazzo is the one who has purchased a larger property in Vedia (much better land and more valuable). Doesn't mean they support the farmers, I would say they are stashing away for a rainy day, who ever looks into the origin of funds in this country??? In case you aren't aware, you now have to declare in advance what day and what time you are going to start harvesting so they can send inspectors to make sure you aren't trying to sell your harvest on the black market (imagine these twits sitting on your harvester, and you probably have to serve them maté); nobody told these blithering idiots that climate (and humidity) plays a large role in when you start your harvest.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    “Half of writing history is hiding the truth.
    Can't remember who said that but it makes sense. ”

    Some Argie historian no doubt.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    can you give us some samples?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    So, Martin_Fierro lives in Utah and Artillero601 lives in Texas. I should have known both of you were adoptive red-staters, given the brainless nationalism you display, the gun fetish and the inanity of your opinions. As for me, when I'm in the US I split my time between New York and Washington DC (where I got my postgraduate education, in the unlikely event you can understand that concept). That means I live in those blue states that subsidize (via federal taxes) those sad, pathetic backwaters you both inhabit (You're welcome, by the way). When I'm in Europe my base is Geneva, although I also tend to go to London and Oxford as often as I can because both are superb. Work for new clients also requires my presence in the Western Cape, so I'm considering buying either an apartment in Cape Town or a house in Franschooek. Traveling between different environments prevents the narrow-mindedness and the ideological scleroses both of you suffer. Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    I see! One of them lives in Texas, the other lives in Utah, the other lives in Canada, the other lives in Europe (the one who thinks). haha, that makes it so easy, to give your support to a government like this of Cristina de Kirchner when you are living in the USA or Europe, and then you fight against the Empire and give us advices haha all of you “Argentine patriots and nationalists” are so fake haha what a bunch of losers. Some poeple never change, you did the same in the past, escaped. At least these Brits have balls you are only c*nts. The putrefaction of this government and of you supporters makes us all want to puke.

    You Martin_Fierro, you are the worst of all, hypocrite. ¿Cómo podés estar viviendo en Estados Unidos? ¿No se te cae la cara de vergüenza? Los otros tres no valen un cazzo, pero vos parecías al menos distinto de los otros que desde el primer día me di cuenta que eran una basura hipócrita. Pero así son todos ustedes, critican al imperio pero aman los verdes más que su propia madre. Sigan dándonos consejos sobre como votar a Cristina de Kirchner desde los Estados Unidos, Canadá y Europa. Qué lindo, ¿también van a Aspen a esquiar con Boudou? Viva la dolce vita! Hello USA!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    they stole our islands from 1833, the pirates never interested the people of the islands .... Why not read the link has become a Kelper Mr Dereck Dolzee, left the island to Argentina before 1982 and just to have a better life and more dignified life, you were dead before 82, did not exist, did not have to eat absolutely had nothing! and are now better! the pirates have a fully equipped military base, and is the only thing that concerns them and also have direct access to Antartica. Of course stealing our resources will continue to pay the cost of a base there, Cameron and his band of lawmakers are liars! and you are really stupid because they can be easily duped. The 14th liberation day??? mmm!! I would say the day of slavery! open your eyes!
    Youl
    because they do not talk to your boysfriends and ask him again the secret that told you !!!!!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    84 artillero601,
    No problem, I had friends in Argentina who moved here, it seemed logical... not anymore, haha.

    89 Dan4 & 90 xbarilox

    What the hell?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Think, have you any influence over your excitable countrymen? They are snarling at each other & getting ready for a fight.
    l have absolutely no doubt that Argentina is beautiful & rich in resources. So why are you so poor? Use your boundless energy to clean up & develop your own country & forget about longing & lusting for our land. A land that you do not own, never have & never will.
    Yes, Think, there will be another war. l can sense it.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    @93 Let them fight. They are funny!

    On the subject of the article, it is clear that CFK is ramping up the Falklands for the sake of the presidential campaign. Now, IF there are any Argentines with brains, you would realise that you are NEVER going to get them. Doesn't matter how long you witter on about it, the Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands are BRITISH. The day may come when they will be independent, but that is up to the Islanders. They will NEVER be Argentine. Not least because they NEVER have been!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @94 Aye, and we all know about election promises, they are never, ever, kept. Keep talking Cristina.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (93) Isolde

    1) Who’s countrymen are fighting?
    XbariloX??? : He is Chilean………………..
    Dan4??? : Too rich, too intelligent, too successful, too important and too modest to be Argentinean :~)
    The rest is having quite a civilized dialogue……….

    2)Argentina is like a beautiful and difficult woman. And she can multitask.

    3) You say:
    Yes, Think, there will be another war. l can sense it.
    I say:
    Then, it will be you starting it......
    Our military is virtually nonexistent. We have done a good job the last 29 years. Even the biggest British Turnips know that.
    And will continue being virtually nonexistent in the foreseeable future.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    2)Argentina is like a beautiful and difficult woman. And she can multitask [very streetwise then]
    ,,,,
    the only real problem with Argentina, is the idiots that run it, it could be so much better, if only its leader didn’t distract its incompetence by using the Falklands as a convenient distraction, and the fools that think the sun shines,, why is such a great country held back by blind self deluding incompetent fools that live in the past, get with the future, leave the Falklands alone and get on with making Argentina great again, sadly this will not happen this 21st century,, that’s bad news for Argentina, and good news for the rest of us,
    la la ?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @98 Think,it will be you who start it. you may get backing from Chavez. l don't know. Your military may be non-existent now, but that could change in the twinkling of an eye. You could sell all your minerals & farmland to China for nuclear weapons, ships & aircraft. The possibilities are endless. The Arabs could invade Europe & Britain couldn't come to our aid. We all know that if Britain didn't have a base here, that you would invade us again. We just do not trust you.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Oh for gods sake, give it a rest will you.

    The British do not want a base in the South Atlantic, prior to 1982 there was virtually no military presence there. The only reason there is one at all is because Argentina invaded.

    The more often you spout the same hysterical hyperbole, the more irritating you are and you'll just be ignored.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Argentina is like a supercilious old woman with a penchant for goats and Nazi memorabilia.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Isolde, the Falklands are safe for the foreseeable future and nobody with an IQ higher than 80 in Argentina thinks that anything will come from the President's empty rhetoric. She's just spouting the kind of speech that gets “her base” fired up prior to an election, but executing on any of those grandiose promises is a completely different endeavor. Past pre-electoral promises included commercial space shuttles launched from Anillaco, an airport atop a floating island and a bullet train between Buenos Aires and Cordoba. It's in the nature of Argentine leaders to hallucinate out loud like this and in the nature of many Argentine voters to self-delude into believing those empty promises, which in turn proves that they deserve each other. Given Argentina's organizational capabilities, I'd be surprised if they could put together a 3-day camping trip. A complex military operation is out of the question. No need to stress or lose sleep over a nonexistent threat.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @98 we have enriched uranium (or we had, I think the US bought all of it) and an awesome nuclear program (for energy) since the 60's in Balseiro so if the intentions were to have a nuclear weapon , we could it have it long time ago...... just FYI

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    The Poster “Think” wrote on comment #96:

    ”Dan4??? : Too rich, too intelligent, too successful, too important and too modest to be Argentinean :~)“

    You forgot ”too good-looking“ and ”too irresistible”, but since I'm also magnanimous, humble and understanding, you're forgiven for the oversight.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    LOL @ Dan4. And definitely Franschhoek for the South African base. Cape Town is just too English. : ) (Yes, I am English)

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Oh God !!!!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (103) Dan4

    Well......................................

    I'm beginning to Think that it may be a crumb of Argentine DNA in you....... But you have to work much much harder on your self esteem.
    You employ far too many qualifying adjectives.
    Saying “Argentinean” should suffice…………………………..

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    Oy Tea Boy the majority of Argentines don't have issues with the English we do enjoy some aspects of your culture and society but we don't like the fact that the Islands where taken by force by a bunch of English pirates, don't forget that thousands of English, Welsh ,Scots immigrated to Argentina after world war 2 to escape the hardships that Europe had experienced, we welcomed your people to our nation with open arms, you should'nt mix past conflicts with people's perceptions of other nations chap.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    99 JustinKuntz (#)
    “Oh for gods sake, give it a rest will you.
    The British do not want a base in the South Atlantic”
    Suuure.
    http://www.clarin.com/politica/Mount-Pleasant-llego-ajuste-Cameron_0_455954478.html

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    101 Dan4,
    “the Falklands are safe for the foreseeable future”

    Dan4, not even GOD knows what you are. But I tell you right now, you're not Argentine no matter what your passport says.

    You disgust me.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @108

    Compelling Marcos, a Clarin reporter says he saw soldiers in a military base and warships in a military port, obviously they can't be there to defend British territory, they must be there to take over the South Atlantic, interesting logic.....or more accurately, paranoia.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    I may disgust you, Martin_Fierro. On the other hand, you amuse me. Nationalists excel at being unintentionally funny.

    Can you detect and prove anything factually wrong with the statement “the Falklands are safe for the foreseeable future”? I bank on it being empirically sound, but if you want to challenge it with anything other than empty rhetoric, give it your best shot. I'm certain it'll be enjoyable.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Martin relax ... we have an old say : “No gastes polvora en chimnago ” !!!!!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Jupppppppp

    Malvinas are safe for the foreseeable future…………………........................

    But, if no oil is found………… they will also be stagnant, sleepy, sluggish, sagging, snoozing, slow-moving, somnolent, stooping, slothful, slacking, slumping, slouching and slumbering for the foreseeable future.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    ……… they will also be stagnant, sleepy, sluggish, sagging, snoozing, slow-moving, somnolent, stooping, slothful, slacking, slumping, slouching and slumbering for the foreseeable future.

    Just like Argentina “the Mother country”

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy1

    And a rought translation of what martin just said in post #115

    “Yes, it would not be worth spending a single bullet in this piece of of asshole”

    Not an exact translation but good enough. Whats funny though is the real reason it wouldn't be worth spending a single bullet is because they haven't got enough bullets to spend. And with their inflation at 25%, i doubt they will beable to afford any more bullets anytime soon either lol.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    ElaineB:

    I know exactly what you mean. Cape Town is great, but I think the Western Cape gets even better as you get closer to the Indian Ocean. Franschhoek and Stellenbosch have the potential to match Napa, Bordeaux and Tuscany in the near future. I love it there also because it reminds me of the area where my grandfather was born, and where my cousins keep making award-winning barolo. Kleinmond and Hermanus provide a great complement, with whale watching and quiet beaches. Equally amazing are Knysna, Plettenburg Bay and Wilderness, where I spent a week in January. It's hard to think of a single spot in the Western Cape that is not scenic and beautiful. Nkosi sikelele iAfrica, indeed! I'll stop now, lest you think I'm collecting a salary from their tourism office.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Martin_Fierro //Everybody disgusts him he then insults in Spanish or some crap,
    the man with no friends always insults people , that’s as far as his education takes him, the poor degenerate fool, the coward who sits in anther country and slogs everybody off, , he know not what he says, brain dead people never understand the meaning of respect,
    [its nice to insult others, but not nice when people insult you is it]
    but then you don’t care, and neither do we, rrr don’t cry house martin, its only a comment, its only a comment, demag demark derango debark ?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    118 briton

    “but then you don’t care, and neither do we, rrr..”

    That's the 100th time you tell me you don't care.. lol

    rrrrr...

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    107 Tigre2000 (#). Actually the greater majority of the British, Scots and Welsh arrived in the early part of the 19th century and up to WWI, when we had a large exodus due to volunteers going back to fight in the war. We were a lynch pin in the formation of modern Argentina. My family arrived 25th January 1835, when did yours arrive???

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    martin martin, why do we insult ourselves, are we deluded or are we fools, you are argentine, and i am british, never mind,
    sometimes you have to come 2nd, grrrrr

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @Martin #119.

    “That's the 100th time you tell me you don't care.. lol”

    Thats because he really doesn't care, though you don't get the message so he has to keep repeating himself in order to get it through your thick skull. Basically he or, in fact most brits and islanders here, simply do not care what you say or think. Because we have the islands you don't, so why should we care what you think or say lol.

    Theres only one way you will get the islands, and we both know you cannot do that, plus it didn't exactly workout well the first time you tried either - Did it now!

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    120,

    “are we deluded or are we fools”

    You're all of the above, case closed... now stop talking to me weirdo.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Did Dan4 say something about the red states ?? I'm democrat you moron !!!
    like the Army says ....”assumptions are the mother of the fuck ups!!. You are too gay for my taste anyways and we can compare financial statements anytime, let's see how pays more taxes and contributes more to this economy. Anything else??

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    117 Dan4 “Franschhoek and Stellenbosch have the potential to match Napa, Bordeaux and Tuscany in the near future”
    Clearly you don't have a clue, keep dreaming.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    more foreign crap, they cant insult us, they cant beat us,
    so now they say [don’t speak to us]
    well that suits us fine,
    we got the Falklands
    we got the charisma
    and we are British, and that lot have an uncontrolled CJD growing in their heads

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Sorry Tim, I meant 121, not 120

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    127 Martin_Fierro (#). No offence taken

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Artillero601 (Comment #124):

    A) If you live in Texas, then by definition you're a red-stater regardless of your alleged political orientation. Feel free to come back to the discussion board after you pass Logic 101.

    B) When mentioning your allegiance to the Democratic Party in the US, the “D” in “Democrat” should be upper-case, not lower-case as you typed it. Once again, you're welcome back after you pass Grammar 101.

    C) Calling me “too gay” is certainly a way to prove how progressive you are! I believe your thinly veiled homophobia indicates a stronger compatibility with the GOP. Ask Zel Miller to show you the way.

    I'd suggest furthering your education as a way to avoid future embarrassment in public fora like this one. Then again, seeing where the state of Texas stands in the US literacy ranks, it's unlikely you'll be able to do that without relocating.

    P.S. If the message above gets too complicated for you to comprehend, take a break halfway through so your lips don't become too tired as you read.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @101 Dana4. Thank you for replying rationally & without insults.
    There's not too many Argentines do that.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Oh, come on Isolde,
    Dana is doing insults - it's just that he is using different language. Calling somebody uneducated and socially unacceptible is pretty insulting
    - and for an Argentinian to say this of a 'Citizen of the USofA' is the pinnacle of insult.
    ;-)

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Let me civilized for a minute ..... First of all , thank you Geoff for your support, greatly appreciated. I'm not probably an academic person like Dan4 even though I have a College decree. I don't write fancy words because obviously English is not my primary language and basically all my learnings came from the Military such as Artillery Fire, Forward Observer, Fire Direction Center, Counter terrorism, Urban combat, Jungle warfare, etc, etc ... so basically the only beef that I have with you is that you are full of shit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Tut tut
    tell me artillero601, you say you have a college decree,
    you have travelled from wherever to America, I presume when you talk about the military , you mean the American military, or another country, you already have self made skills that you learned in there,
    most interesting, but [and I rarely do this] if its any interest,
    when I went to my secondary school, [comprehensive] or state school,
    believe it or not, I was suspended within the first year, for a time, and expelled by the time I was 14, no A levels no O levels, no gcse;s and no decrees, everything I write is self taught , as an adult I understand how important an education is, but as a teenager I couldn’t care less,
    I learnt the hard way , truly, that’s why i don’t particular, like these who abuse others on their spelling, we all make mistakes, if my spell checkers messes up, then so do I,
    my point it, I ignore others who think they are better, where poss,
    im just me, an ordinary guy just me, I even get stick for being left handed, so I wouldn’t worry about other people education, its how you use it that counts, mmmmmmm

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Actually Briton It was a reply to Dan4 @ 129 .... just read the blog man!!

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    This is not just some nut job stating Argentina's claim over Malvinas this is our elected president, I feel sad UK doesdn't let the illegal aliens in Malvinas have their own elected leader rather then blame Argentina for the illegal status of their countrymen, I wonder if britards know what “never” means, maybe not this might explain why we see their moronic monologs in Argentine news forums, aren't europids busy killing Muslim women and children in Lebanon, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt and now Libya ?? how much thefted oil is enough ?? will UK kill all muslims or this is against anyone who has resources ?? I think we should start attacking their busynesses everywhere andf watch them fall flat on their faces. http://www.zeenews.com/news691564.html

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    Everyone else knows from the words and deeds that the Peronist Party and President of Argentina are all nut jobs, you included.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    sorry mate ?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @137 no problem bro !

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Pirat-Hunter [aren't europids busy killing Muslim women and children in Lebanon, Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt and now Libya ,,//
    I cannot belive that you read such rubbish, the link is totaly wrong,
    if you and others , like you belive what you have written, then you surley have no chance of ever beliving the truth ?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    There is only one poster who uses the word 'europid'' - it would seem he has a doppelganger, who, even after being given a better insult, europoid, continues to use his inferior version.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Geoff, I just wondered why the likes of Pirat-Hunter belive in such things, I wonder what else he belives in ?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Briton, I have met it before,

    Typically (if there is such a thing) a younger person becomes unemployed and develops a group of unemployed friends, none of them stupid or uneducated, but they develop a vision of the world that is conditioned by their (group) outlook.
    The books, articles, links, clips etc - largely involving conspiracy theories - are passed around within the group, further reinforcing the world-view.
    Their bedroom/hostel-room walls are covered with anti-establishment posters and, if there is an external 'enemy', the process of group-demonization transfers an illogical and/or excessive hate to the 'enemy'.

    The conditioning is akin to that in '1984', but it is largely anti-establishment.

    Thus, whenever the 'enemy's' spokesperson makes an assertion, it must be countered - however warped the logic. It is a type of conditioned reflex (a bit like the need to RESPOND to every insult on these blogs ;-)

    The 'hate' condition can occur naturally, though, in recent years, I have observed it most frequently in individuals between 16-28 who have developed a pot-habit using skunk [ THC has jumped from 6% to 30% and the protective antagonist, CBD, is virtually absent].
    There is good research evidence that the induced paranoid tendencies and/or psychotic episode triggers this class of behaviours.

    This is not just me speculating; my 'acquired daughter' (these things happen ;-) is a Clinical Psychologist, and it is a recurrent family conversation because of her profession.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @131 Geoff, lf you would read Dana4's post @ 101 you would see that he/she neither said anyone was uneducated or socially unacceptable.
    Nor was anything mentioned about a “citizen of the USA”
    He was responding to my post @101.
    You must be thinking of another post.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @135

    Yeah, yeah....whatever. I(diot).

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 142 “There is good research evidence that the induced paranoid tendencies and/or psychotic episode triggers this class of behaviours.” I agree that the evidence is compelling regarding the abuse of this particular drug.

    Speaking in wider terms, do you think another contributing factor to this anti-establishment rage is the lack of social mobility and opportunity in some societies?

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Hi Elaine @ 146,

    - probably.

    There is a high correlation in the UK between the type of secondary school you attended and the probability of employment/unemployment. but social mobility occurs when someone crosses from one stratum to a different one - and the biggest crossing is between full-time permanent employment and long-term unemployment. This is now more endemic in the UK than ever since the early 1990s.

    But your question implies Upward mobility; glass ceilings, wrong school, wrong type of university - you know the 'privilage', the 'silver spoon'.
    Yes, people who keep bashing their head against 'the barrier' get disaffected and more frequently fall into the behaviour-group mentioned.

    Does it happen here in Bahia? - to a MUCH lesser extent.
    Social mobility is not constrained by ethnicity or racial mix, but powerfully by Education. True, black genes predominate in the poor, but there is no lack of aspiration and there is no visible frustrated rage against the machine.

    Different cultures, different systems, different expectations.
    But the Balsa Familia in Brasil IS developing a dependency culture where the entitlement ethos is becoming fixed in the mentality.

    Perhaps all cultures developing towards first world urban living go through it - or more likely, the Rage is an inherent feature of imbalances in (first world) urban living where you can see the riches but cannot reach them.

    You see - I am no expert, but the virtue of blogs is that we can all express opinions and float ideas.

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  • Domingo

    Argentina has no claim to the Falkland Islands or any other South Atlantic or Antarctic territory; I say this because Argentina has never made a claim for any territorial or sovereignty dispute at the proper United Nations organ, i.e. the International Court of Justice.

    All Argentina has is nationalistic political rhetoric and systematic state sponsored political, economic & social persecution of the Falkland Islanders because they are belong to a minority ethnic group and are an easy political scapegoat.

    Shame on Argentina.

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  • Tim

    148 Domingo (#). As I see it they have been painting themselves into a corner ever since Peron started haranguing on the subject back in 1946 and now there is no way to put a stop to it. Children have been indoctrinated and brainwashed “las Malvinas son Argentinas” since '46 and if any government were to say something different they would be out faster than the blink of an eye.

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  • Marcos Alejandro

    Tim, yes las malvinas son Argentinas, and the same country that expelled the Argentinean from the islands in 1833 did the same thing a few decades ago in another island. History repeats itself.

    My Island Home - Chagos Islands
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFLhB_SkMIg&feature=fvwrel

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  • Tim

    150 Marcos Alejandro. Yes I am aware of Diego Garcia and have been since it was taken over as a US Air Base, and I agree with Lord Avery. This situation is not comparable to the Falklands; what was removed from Diego Garcia was an indigenous population; what was sent off the Falklands arrived there on 6th Oct 1832, and on 3rd Jan 1833 Pinedo was ordered to remove the Argentine garrison of 26 men with their families which he proceeded to do on the 5th Jan. That was not an indigenous population that was sent off; they were 26 families which had been there only three months.

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  • NicoDin

    And the man in front of the desk got really upset and with a noticeable fury intended to put the salvage ignorant into his place while he was fixing his turbant on his head.

    “I can see that you are a complete ignorant Sir. Your writing and especially your English grammar suggest your lack of education. Your logic about organization is completely wrong we don’t do things like that you are a shame for our country Sir.”

    The big white man with blue eyes behind the desk with his eyes injected with blood responds to him.

    You.. are.. in.. Deutchland, Deutchland sir...

    Ha ha

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  • Think

    TWIMC

    Another “little nail” in Great Britain's diplomatic coffin in the South-Atlantic.

    http://www.infobae.com/notas/574112-La-Unasur-reclamo-ante-la-ONU-que-el-Reino-Unido-negocie-por-Malvinas.html

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  • lsolde

    @152 NicoDin, what on earth are you blithering on about? l see you holiday hasn't done you much good.
    @153 Think, change the record(or CD), that one is boring.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (154) Cher Isolde

    Boring?
    Get used to it!
    This is only the beginning of the Argentinean diplomatic and economical counteroffensive...... .........................................................

    We just managed to close one of the Islands most valued social and gastronomical assets.
    Don't you believe me?

    Pick up the phone, call 22233 and find out!

    :-)))

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy1

    Think, old news mate. And it won't make any difference as the UN Charter Supports Self Determination. The UN will just tell you to take it to the ICJ, or the UN may well put it to the ICJ, telling Argentina and the UK to resolve it via the ICJ - So its not a nail in or coffin at all, its more like argentina have shot themselves in the foot again. Though it was twitterman, so no surprise there lol.

    “This is only the beginning of the Argentinean diplomatic and economical counteroffensive”

    Counteroffensive, sorry think inorder to go on the counteroffensive the opposing side must have acted offensively towards you, which is something the falklands islands and the UK have not done. Though keep it up and we will start to get pissed with your country and teach it another lesson.

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  • WestisBest

    “We just managed to close one of the Islands most valued social and gastronomical assets.
    Don't you believe me?”

    Nope.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (157) Westi

    Did you call!
    Heard the message?
    “Close til further notice” ;-)
    No more fresh Pizza to Stanley.......
    Back to canned Fray Bentos kidney pies; 30min. at 220C

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  • WestisBest

    I didn't say I hadn't heard they'd closed, I meant that it's not “one of the Islands most valued social and gastronomical assets”....pizzas FFS....

    Anyway would you care to enlighten me as to how you (Argentina that is) has contributed the downfall of this huge bastion of our economy, what policy of Argentina's brought about this mighty blow to the Falklands society...

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    A pizza shop? rofl.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (159) Westi

    I could tell you but.......................... then your computer would self-destruct after 10 seconds.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    I'll risk it Think, enlighten me....is there a 'Malvinas pizza delivery sabotage' department in the Argie government?

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Let's make a deal.................................

    If Isolde tells me in which US state “Frank the Yank” was born......

    I'll tell you if there is a 'Malvinas pizza delivery sabotage' department in the Argie government.

    PS:
    Nice of you to use the real (Scottish) name for the Islands.

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  • ElaineB

    @147 Thanks you make some interesting points.

    I had not realised the dividing factor in Brazilian society was education rather than the overt racism I have witnessed in some SoAm countries. My mantra is that education is the answer. A bit simplistic but an undereducated work force will always impede the growth of a country.

    I have interviewed disaffected people who rage against the establishment and, in some cases, I have had sympathy. They were born into a class-ridden society that would never allow them to move out of poverty. I would be pretty pi$$ed off too. Quite a few were clearly using drugs too but I am not sure which came first; The knowledge that no matter what they did in life they would die poor and turned to drugs or the other way around.

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  • WestisBest

    @163 eh?

    The Islands belonging to some bint called Malvina? Anyway that would be Malvina's Islands not Malvinas.

    AFAIK the Scots call the Falkland Islands...the Falkland Islands.

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  • Britishbulldog

    153 Think (#)-------I was there when they gave that letter to Ban Ki-moon, It was so funny, he took it of the delegation and politely smiled, they had a few words together and when the Argentines left the room, he turned to his aids with a bemused look on his face and asked them who the hell were those people? They just shrugged there shoulders and said, well you know what they' are like, we had to let them in to give you that letter or we would never have got rid of them.

    Ban Ki-moon took a peek at the letter again and said, I know where Argentina is, But where are the Malvinas, when they told him they were the Falklands, he nearly fainted, when he gathered himself together he asked for a trash can where the letter landed. Then he went to dinner where he had a good dinner with real diplomats with real world problems.

    He then put his hand in his jacket pocket to pay for the dinner and came out with a fist full of $, where has that lot come from he said, with raised eyebrows his aids said those dam Argentines they have done it again, we will give the money back tomorrow boss.

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  • NicoDin

    @ElaineB

    On day a new philosopher very proud of his new social status achievement while walking around Athens found this tiny guy bad dressed sitting in the floor looking very poor together with his dog eating beans.

    The new philosopher lectured the poor man about how wrong was his attitude toward life and his luck of aspirations. He also remarked that if he would be willing to do like him he could progress and he will be enjoying the favours of the King and he could have everything he wants like he has done. So he wouldn’t have to eat beans in the floor anymore.

    The poor man without much surprise and slowly put his head up while looking him and said...

    Too bad for your that you don’t like beans else you wouldn’t have to work for the king I feel very sorry for you.

    Yes education matters as you have said unfortunately the young philosopher lack of such skill.

    @ 147 GeoffWard

    People work hard, push others to make money and try to reach at any cost the top of the social pyramid.

    When you ask them if all these stress and the pain really worth the reward, they say of course my dream is to be come rich to don’t have to do anything in the future. And to be the whole day in a beach in Brazil or in any other exotic place.

    How rich must be the Brazilians that they are living other people’s dreams from the day they are born.

    And how poor are all these people that have to pass through all these pain just to be in a Brazilian beach.

    @#154 lsolde

    If you read all post again and then my German joke you will understand.
    Else doesn’t matter German humor is not very good trust me.
    : )

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  • WestisBest

    I reckon that all lost something in translation Nico....unless you meant it to be bollocks of course.

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @WestisBest

    “I reckon that all lost something in translation Nico....unless you meant it to be bollocks of course.” ?????

    Now try it again with something meaningful, can you please?

    : )

    Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @ 168
    My Bollocks to english translator gave up after the first line of Nicotines rant

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  • lsolde

    @167NicoDin, yes l get it now. heavy Germanic humour at its worst. The lndian traveller trying to get into the wrong country.
    @163Think,don't know where Frank was born, but he grew up in..................¿?¿?¿? & speaks like ?¿?¿.!!!!!!!!!!therefore he must be????

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  • WestisBest

    @Nico

    “Now try it again with something meaningful, can you please?”

    I will if you will.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @167 Good story.

    I am not advocating wealth as the panacea to a fulfilling life. Education may or may not lead to a wealthier life but it definitely enriches life and creates opportunity. More opportunities = more choices.

    From a wider view, if you keep the masses poorly educated it maintains a cheap work force to be exploited.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Nico 167,
    “People work hard, push others to make money and try to reach at any cost the top of the social pyramid.”

    There are other motivations.

    Some university professors chose their own degree courses to teach, chose their own research areas and travelled the world researching and giving papers at conferences.

    Such people live a life of very different motivations and rewards.

    And when retirement comes, they may not be the richest in terms of money, but, by God, they are rich in so many other ways.

    And if they chose a beach - so what? Having seen most of the world - good, bad and indifferent - the choice of (metaphorical) beach is a way of chosing a closing chapter to the book of life.

    For myself, powerfully influenced by Hemmingway's remeniscences of his old man 'fighting his last fight with the big fish' real and allegorical, the greatest riches come from the final distillation of memories that are the pictures in your mind as you approach your last fight.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (171) Isolde

    Thanks Agent99
    I did reach the very same conclusion some time ago…..
    Definitively Appalachian Inbred!

    You can tell Westi that,..................¿?¿No?¿? & Malvinas qué?¿?¿. Pizza!!!!!!!!!! sabotage '''Å?++ dos cervezas???? Claro Señor!

    PS:(174)

    How melodramatic.
    Pull yourself together, young man……
    You are just 62!

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  • NicoDin

    @stick up your junta &WestisBest & co Ltd.

    Hellu Monkies

    In my story of the young philosopher, the poor man eating beans was “Diogenes of Sinope” or also called “Diogenes the Cynic” he was a master philosopher.

    Diogenes was a fantastic character in ancient Greece he came from a wealthy and prominent family that for political reasons the king condemned them to live in exile and poverty.

    He promoted the ideas of how should be a real free pure man, and he was against any material possession above basic needs.

    So lads stop drinking so much beer and the football watching it is dangerous for your brain health.
    But after reading your post I’m afraid you are terminal RIP : )

    @ElaineB
    What I try to say is that we “The Westerners” always try to classify people and cultures according with our indoctrinated standards. And if we are wrong?

    Education is a relative thing depends on the environment How much useful would be a MBA in the middle of the Jungle or in a beach? And a Chaman Master in London?

    When you ask people working hard for “social progress” about what are their aspirations the 80% answer to become rich to travel and to be under the sun in a beach, eat exotic meals, fun, sex, etc.

    The Brazilians are so smarts that they are having all these things for free or by doing little.
    So they are better educated than anyone to teach us on how to archive our beach dreams in case these are our aspirations.

    We lack of fun Elaine nothing that we cannot get for few Quids and a couple of beers.
    : )

    @GeoffWard

    “For myself, powerfully influenced by Hemmingway's remeniscences”

    Mine influence it is a little bit more modest than your yank, I mean Michael Philip Jagger he is on his 68 and seems he is still getting a lot of fun. You were lucky to don’t chose Edgar Allan Poe I guess.
    Anyway I recommend you “the man of the crow”
    Ha ha

    : )

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  • ElaineB

    @ Nico

    If you live in a society where the path to mobility is through education then it should be available to all, equally. What a person choses to do with it is another matter entirely.

    Sadly, of all the developed countries, social mobility is declining in the UK and is stagnant in the US. This is in no small measure due to disparity in the education available dependent on social class. This is obviously from a macro perspective, individuals can and do break through financial stratum.

    “When you ask people working hard for “social progress” about what are their aspirations the 80% answer to become rich to travel and to be under the sun in a beach, eat exotic meals, fun, sex, etc.”

    In a recent survey of disadvantage school children in the UK, they were asked about their aspirations. An alarming number wanted to be like Katie Price* aka Jordan, the former topless model who acquired a fortune in the region of £42m by displaying her comely udders to anyone willing to pay. In other words she expoited the expoiters. I admire her for her determined success but is it a realistic aspiration for the masses? What happened to wanting to be a teacher or firefighter?

    It is true that the best things in life are free but a little filthy lucre certainly eases the way.

    * I think Katie Price is knocking around Buenos Aires at the moment.

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  • GeoffWard

    Elaine, you ask 'I admire her (Jordan) for her determined success but is it a realistic aspiration for the masses?”
    For those with masses, it is an option - feel for those without ;-)

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  • WestisBest

    “What I try to say is that we “The Westerners” always try to classify people and cultures according with our indoctrinated standards. And if we are wrong? ”

    True Nico, that's exactly the way you Argies look at us Falkland Islanders.

    ”So lads stop drinking so much beer and the football watching it is dangerous for your brain health.
    But after reading your post I’m afraid you are terminal RIP : )”

    ...we always try to classify people and cultures according with our indoctrinated standards.....

    Yup that fits.
    ;-)

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  • Frase

    177 -

    “An alarming number wanted to be like Katie Price* aka Jordan”

    That is quite alarming, though sadly not particularly surprising

    “I admire her for her determined success but is it a realistic aspiration for the masses? ”

    I personally can't stand the woman. It's nothing personal per se, she just embodies the banal cultural mediocrity that is so rampant at the moment., where the people with the least to say are given the most time to say it, 'celebrities' are made from reality t.v. (i.e. winning a competition) and then remain 'celebrities' for being stars of the 'news'.

    I generally agree with your other points.

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  • NicoDin

    @ElaineB

    “If you live in a society where the path to mobility is through education then it should be available to all”
    In Argentina education is available for all and free including university.
    We have the higher rates in quantity of Doctors in medicine, Psychologist, etc in the world over 100.000.

    And we are full of “Katie Price” we can export them and cheap.

    What do you understand by mobility?

    I know social mobility but what that means for you?

    Because a lot of people believe that is money and shopping. Especially Yanks and they have exported this model to the world.

    “What happened to wanting to be a teacher or firefighter”
    Happen that the crappy media controlled by big groups had made a good job to portray Katie’s success as the easy way to get the “American Dream” buy, buy and if you can pay.

    So the teacher and the fire fighter become a looser.

    You have also say that you admire her, so can you imagine what’s the influence of the crappy media over a 15 years old girl?

    The buy, buy model works having people unsatisfied old the time.

    Would you like to be successful and have all these cute women you need a BMW! Call us 0800-spend what you don’ have. And close to the clip appears other ad saying...

    Short of cash? Wanna buy you BMW don’t worry Bank Ruin you Life ltd. have the right loan for you.

    Then even my mum will have to show her bubbies to pay back the draconian loan.

    All is a big business and Katie Price for a good price found something to sale but like in economy to much offer means less $$$ then they will have to invent another new thing.

    May be “be a teacher of Fire fighter man” and the ad saying Fire and teach Ltd. talk free 0800-pay first and later will see.

    Life is like this, “models” change through generations. Look the Architects for example in ancient Egypt they were slaves today you have to become slave to pay them.
    : )

    @WestisBest
    Ah! just you with “West Is Best” as nickname give me a break mate. : )

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  • Pirat-Hunter

    #58 you are not an Argentine stop the BS, by the way you talk you are either a british illegal alien in Malvinas Argentina wich should make you a proud pirat or Chilean, who are you trying to fool ?? you are missing a unique gene in your DNA, that wich is esential to all Argentine, the gene resposible for praid, you should check your adoption papers to find out where you really came from, don't ask your parents if they are brits they will surely lie, and who are all those clowns you mentioned, do you know who Che Guevara was ?? or Guemez ? about San Martin o Sarmiento, let hear what shakespear did for your nation ?? maybe Martin Fierro is too much for you to handle, I always say there isn't a worst blind then he who refuses to see.
    WE NEVER FORGET.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 03:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    There are quite a few people on here missing your essential gene 'that wich is esential to all Argentine', the one that makes you spout complete crap and confines your vocabulary to 'pirats', 'europids' and 'illegal aliens'.
    Go away, I, you're still boring.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Thanks for all the responses....I'll be brief as we are so far OT.

    I should qualify my thoughts on Ms Price by saying that I admire her for exploiting an industry that usually exploits women. She is a shrewd lady. But would I aspire to have her life? No.

    I have visited some schools in Argentina and there is quite a contrast between the free and paid education. This is the same problem as the UK. It is not equal education opportunities. (And I say this having benefited from an expensive education).

    For this discussion I am defining social mobility as breaking through group barriers effecting income and/or opportunities.

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  • Pirat-Hunter

    #183 Go away ?? what do you think this is ?? a soccer field ?? you thnik your britard gene allows you to push around and kill Muslims and every other race just because you say so ?? lol I usually rise to the challenge of anyone trying to push their weight around and for tactical reasons I would rather stab him in the back or behead him while he sleeps let GOD sort us up in heaven or hell, welcome to the new world son, in here pirats, rappist and murderers have no say, yo are just a britard subject waiting for judgement day.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @185 I, You are a complete lunatic, “I” Please disappear with a poof!

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frase

    So, what do your pirate hunting duties consist of? Have you thought about going to Somalia?

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    187, What kind of medication do you take? Are you related to typhoon?

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    @187
    There is reasoned debate, and people strongly hold differing views on every subject, that is the point of this Comments section of MercoPress.

    However, I think everyone has to agree that the Pork Hunt is completely off his trolley.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @187 Prat hunter must of been buggered by a Brit to make him sooo nasty :-))))

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (186)
    Nice “Poof” Isolde!

    Let's hope some Responsible Person “Poofs” Sr. “AVargas”, aka “ I”, aka “Pirat-Hunter” for good.

    Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    I think some bits of spit actually came flying out of my computer screen when Penis-Head did that last rant...and I reckon I heard him thump his bible.

    PS: what's a rappist I(diot)?
    a rapper who plays the piano perhaps?

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  • Pirat-Hunter

    I still don't like homosexuals about that ? but I found a link to a good british tour guide, you'll love the receptionist, tell them pirat hunter sent you, they will be really really happy to see you. :) http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=648328n

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    I still don't like homosexuals

    But you help them out at the weekends dont you, you little minx Prat hunter

    Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @194, why don't you like homosexuals,“I”? what have they done to you?
    lt must be a terrible life for them. Do you think anybody would want to be one if they had the choice? ldiots like you only make life harder for them. They need your understanding, not your hatred. And before you start the accusations, no l am not one & have never experienced that type of life. You're an idiot, boy.

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  • Dan4

    Pirat-hunter (Comment #182):

    What is a “Pirat”? Or is it yet another spelling mistake of yours while trying to type “Pirate”? I can't say I'm surprised, as it matches your overall writing and reasoning abilities. Let's see:

    “#58 you are not an Argentine stop the BS, by the way you talk you are either a british illegal alien in Malvinas Argentina wich should make you a proud pirat or Chilean, who are you trying to fool ??”
    I'm not trying to fool anybody. I was born and raised in Cordoba, where most of my nuclear family still lives. The way I talk makes me a rational and educated human being, but it doesn't indicate my nationality.

    “you are missing a unique gene in your DNA, that wich is esential to all Argentine, the gene resposible for praid,”
    First, I believe you meant to type “pride”. Second, where was that “pride” in June of 1982? Surely, if Argentine pride is DNA-embedded they would have preferred death to surrender, right? Your assertion only proves your ignorance regarding genetics (pride is a cultural concept, not an inborn trait) and that you suffer the delusions of grandeur that most Argies use to mask their crippling inferiority complex. Sorry about that. Seek professional help.

    [...] and who are all those clowns you mentioned, do you know who Che Guevara was ??“
    So, John Locke is a ”clown“ but a guy who decides that 2 people can ride a motorcycle across a continent with no spare parts is a genius? I have to thank you for being so amusing, even though you're not doing it on purpose.

    [...] about San Martin o Sarmiento [...]
    San Martin was aligned with England. Why else would he leave a promising career in the Spanish Army to go fight against that very army? Sarmiento was a known anglophile as well, as his books clearly indicate. Both were great and both would be on my side in this debate.

    ”WE NEVER FORGET.”
    You can only forget something that you knew. Since your post indicates you know nothing, there is nothing for you to forget. QED.

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  • artillero601

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Apr 10th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    Artillero601 (post #198):

    For all the good it did. How about focusing on results instead of on the merely symbolic?

    Apr 10th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    By criticizing your own? I love the country, I don't love some of the people especially the government. Malvinas is a sentiment and it always will be. If we don't stick together for the well being of the Nation, we are done!!

    Apr 10th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dan4

    You're a day late and a dollar short, Artillero601. Argentina has been “done” for a while already. The only way out is Ezeiza. Time to wake up and face reality. It's what grown-ups do.

    Apr 10th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Already done that Dan .....“ el ultimo que apague la luz” that was the newspaper “ La Nacion ” in the late 80's on the massive migration of Argentines to Europe and the US .....

    Apr 11th, 2011 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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