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Malvinas voluntary soldier letter to be read in all Argentine schools as of 2012
President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner announced that the letter written by a teacher and voluntary soldier in the 1982 Malvinas War conflict and which he sent to his pupils is to be read in all Argentine schools beginning 2012. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesjust how far does a country have to push and insult before she gets a reply from the British, [forever it seems]
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but rue the day Argentina ever finds OIL.
then you may well get a reply, amazing what oil can do to re-energise the mussels.???
1 briton
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0should have more respect and even more for a Malvinas veteran! Pirate!! is it the education that you got in uk?
Hello, Briton. Did you check Res 1514 I posted especially for you to read thru? After that we can discuss it point by point. Check it out, then. be waiting for your reply.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And will Cristina and supporters teach children to kill people too so we can have the islands back? This government is shameless and its supporters are as guilty as Cristina is. Knowing Cristina's lust and hunger for power and wealth, I'm sure that the letter will be not only the letter, it will contain some hidden message so the next generation of Argentines will be as f*cked up as this present generation. They can´t have a real good idea, they believe that doing sh*ts like teaching children to hate will allow us to regain the islands. She says that she respects the soldires, LIAR! This woman and her supporters are spitting on our veterans on the dead ones too.
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 10:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwisarg once again brain dead
Apr 02nd, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but aain you dont think in the slightest that we are insulted by argentinian leaders remarks every other day.
being brain dead you would not.
Gotey as long as you ecept that argentina did not invade illigaly
theirs no point ,
I wouldn't expect a Brit know what respect is.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malvinas Islands belong to Argentina.
Briton “Gotey as long as you ecept that argentina did not invade illigaly”
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0How many beers did you drink today? ;-)
Martin - we know what respect is and command respect. It is a pity that Argentina has to resort to a variety of self-centered, pitiful and utterly pointless strategies to make itself feel even more hard done by.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Visitors putting flowers at memorial, just like North Korea.
Brainwashing children as part of the History curriculum, just like North Korea.
You lot are becoming more of a laughing stock every day. If you want respect then earn it because at the moment all you deserve is derision.
(8) Beef
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“Visitors putting flowers at memorial, just like North Korea.”
Ermmmmm……………
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/12/13/ceremonies-at-london-s-cenotaph-and-the-falklands-to-remember-battle-day
You are becoming more of a .................. ....* every day. If you want respect then earn it because at the moment all you deserve is ................*
*(Fill the dotted line with the words that fit best)
8 Beef,
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The more I read your CRAP!!! the more I think YOU are brainwashed.
Continental Argentina to Malvinas: 300 miles
UK to Malvinas: 8,000 miles
Your “education” system teaches you that this monumental absurdity you call “Falklands” is justified and you are calling ME brainwashed???????
YOU AND YOUR UK ARE THE LAUGHING STOCK.
Continental Argentina to Malvinas: 300 miles
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Martin, apart from the fact that the Falklands does not feature in our national curriculum. We have much more important and relevant things to teach in our schools.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Teaching children about British soverignty in the FI would be like having to spend ages teaching kids that the world is round. It is a fact and not worth bothering about as they will figure it out for themselves.
It is also not going to change and all of your failures, diplomatic, economic and military prove this hypothesis.
When you are ready to do business then let us know.
@10 Martin_Fierro. distance from your coast means nothing. ln 1833 when your trespassing garrison was rightfully ejected from OUR lslands, Argentina did not exist as a nation(United Provinces ring any bells?). ln fact the UP only controlled the land just south of B.A.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Patagonia, the land that is 300 or so miles from OUR lslands was still owned by the native people. So don't you talk CRAP.
But Think, do we make it a requirement of all official visitors?
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy your obligatory rules. Nice testament to the fallen to make it a requirement of official visitors? Nice to know your president thinks it is fair to use the blood of those killed for her own political and diplomatic purposes.
Enjoy your president and her attempt to silence criticism in the press.
Enjoy your government making up inflation stats to make it appear they are not quite as bad as they really are.
Enjoy your Christina youth.
Some democracy. Sounds more like a dictatorship ran by materialist, self-absorbed narcissist in high heals.
teacher Julio !!
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0at last two paragraph ::
I see that you forgot some names like Melinda , Fernando , Hugo ,
Tulio , Nuria ,........why !
(14) Beef
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wish you, for once, could show some introspection….. You display such an overpowering “turnipidity” when commenting on other stuff than Oil Exploration Investments and the NHS...................
The official protocolar ceremony at the San Martin Monument will incorporate an 100 yards walk downhill and 5 additional minutes at the Malvinas Cenotaph.
This “little extra” will make clear for every official dignitary visiting Argentina that we mean it seriously.
If they don’t want to do it,…….. they don’t need to bother visiting us.
About people using the blood of those killed for their own political and diplomatic purposes….:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-territories-demand-right-to-lay-cenotaph-wreaths-984653.html
Do I need to comment the above link?
12 Beef,
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Teaching children about British soverignty in the FI would be like having to spend ages teaching kids that the world is round.”
It takes ages for your kids to learn that the world is round? I learned that in kindergarten.
You're right though, a five year old would look at a map and say... “Wait, those islands are all the way down there!” You have to wait until they grow up and are able to understand that it's not about geography, it's all about natural resources, it's what the nation relies on and if you have to steal it... so be it!!
“they will figure it out for themselves”
I have no doubt, it's why we're having this conversation. ;-)
lsolde,
Another genius who didn't need an education.
“What today is commonly referred as the Independence of Argentina was declared on July 9, 1816 by the Congress of Tucumán. Actually, the congressmen joined in Tucumán declared the independence of the United Provinces of South America, which is still today one of the legal names of the Argentine Republic.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Declaration_of_Independence
Before you try to make a distinction between Argentina and the United Provinces of South America, there isn't any. In fact these very same words are part of the Argentine National Anthem.
1816... go back to school.
I am in favour of this letter being read in schools.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is not, as far as we can see, a call to arms, and it is an apolitical text.
How many of us grew up with the oft-studied poems of the great war poets?
These alluded to the lions and donkeys, and questioned motives, but, more than this, they asked questions of the human condition, both the physical in extremis and the psyche, similarly damaged.
Such poems and letters make old men cry, and such words should be heard and understood by the young.
Otherwise how will the young ever understand WHY old men cry when - very occasionally - they allow memory's door to briefly reveal those deeply buried experiences.
Hear......
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse -1I find little to get angst about in this story, its puts a more human face to the conflict, Juilo Cao is obviously doing for Argentina what Wilfred Owen and Siegefried Sasoon did for the UK, showing that soldiers in conflicts are human beings with opinions and feelings and not automatons fulfilling that states agenda. Nothing more nothing less in my opinion.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However the timing is somewhat suspect, in the last Veterans day celebration during an election year? I recall the Dour Cyclops of Kirkcaldy-Gordon Brown pulling a similar stunt in 2006 by proposing a veterans day in the UK - as Chancellor, a couple of months before he deposed Tony Blair, paving the way for becoming a popular PM?
It shouldn't be taught - it is not exactly a literary masterpiece and he was a misled pawn of an oppressive government that took away the human rights of not only its own people but now its neighbours.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it is taught it needs to be in the context of how nationalist propaganda can lead otherwise reasonable people to take part in evil acts like the invasion of the Falklands and the imprisonment of its leading citizens and deportation of its children.
Geoff, very coherent your posting; I suspect from the tenure of your comments that you must live in the vicinity (Brazil or Argentina). Strange to name the port Rivero and then quickly change it to Argentino when they discovered he was a murderer, not much knowledge of their own history.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 012 Beef Your ignorance about teaching children in your comment #12 reminds me to this article(scroll down):
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Anger over ‘Malvinas’ gaffe on BBC”
”For, to the astonishment of the Falklands’ hardy residents and soldiers who fought to liberate them almost 30 years ago, the islands were re-christened ‘the Malvinas’ — the contentious name for the islands used by Argentina — by the writers of children’s TV show The Sarah Jane Adventures.
Yet, in an episode entitled Death Of The Doctor, the BBC's Sarah Jane series did just that when describing how a character travelled back from South America to Britain, saying he went ‘via Las Malvinas’.
The programme has been screened twice, including on Christmas morning.
At best, the reference was unfortunate at a time when talk of the Argentinian claim on the islands has resurfaced in the wake of the defence cuts here. (And just as Brazil’s new Left-wing president refuses the Falklands protection ship, HMS Clyde, permission to dock in Rio de Janeiro.)
At worst, it is something more sinister.
Welsh Guardsman Simon Weston, who was severely burned in the conflict, tells me: ‘I can’t understand why the British Broadcasting Corporation allows something so crassly inaccurate to just fly past on a children’s programme.’
Major-General Julian Thompson, who led the commando land force for the first phase of the war, says: ‘It is perverse. The Falkland islanders would feel highly upset if they saw that programme. Only the Argentinians call the islands by that name, so it would only make any sense if it were an Argentinian programme, not British.’
Lord Tebbit,
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346253/TV-chef-rustles-new-girlfriend.html#ixzz1ITpKlpa2
17@Martin. yr corrections about the official name of the Argentine Republic are accurate.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All those purporting the matter of nearness as being an indicator of territorial integrity ARE wrong. In this repect, both the British and we the Argentinians ARE wrong. NEARNESS is not a factor. TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY is. SO please, all of you here, watch out on this concept. Near the very coast of northern France there are Islands which do not belong to France!!! AND they are only a couple yards away from the coast!!
13@Isolde: CORRECT. Argentine terrritory only went as far down as the Rio salado in BA up until 1879-84 when Argentina finally launched a “conquest of the desert campaign” in areas south of BA all the way down to southern Tierra del Fuego. BUT, the Patagonia occupied by “Aboriginal peoples”, although not effectively occupied by civilians, did belong to Argentina from 1816 onwards. There were garrisons established and cities and towns developed only after the aboriginals were overrun.
As for the Malvinas as different from the Patagonia, in 1820, Argentina did send both military and civilians to effectively occupy and exercise soverignty!!! AND there are LOTS of documents proving this. There were a series of Governors designated by Buenos Aires all the way between 1820 and 1833, Luis Vernet being the last one, descendants of which live today in Argentina and keep documented papers about it all.
So when are you Keyboard hero pussies gonna invade?
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or is it a big secret?
Interesting video
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Mount-Pleasant-llego-ajuste-Cameron_0_455954478.html
”12 Beef Your ignorance about teaching children in your comment #12 reminds me to this article(scroll down)“
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's not ignorance that we don't teach our children political viewpoints at a young age. We don't indoctrinate our children having them all sit around shouting ”THE FALKLANDS ARE BRITISH”. We are taught there was a war and we won. It is not an important part of our history so it is mentioned not studied. As a nation we have very rich history and there are other, more intresting times we study.
The war might have been a major part in your history but not so much here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 027 Zethee“The war might have been a major part in your history but not so much here”
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is not about the war been a major part of our history is about Malvinas been part of our country, Argentina.
And some well known British going “crazy” because a children program character said tha he went “via las Malvinas” shows a lot of ignorance, after all thats how we call them in South America and many others countries around the World.
”A BBC spokesman says: ‘He [the character in the show] uses the Spanish word to describe the islands in context, as he was living in Argentina prior to travelling over to the UK.’
Well for the last couple of days some of you sprout rubbish about , you knowing something about the falklands that we do not, the goverment is lieing to us, do you have any proof of this, please indulge us .
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Dr Who franchise is probably working with some alternative reality where the people of the Falklands force all Argentinians who want to travel to Europe to do so via the Islands as part of their colonial domination of South America. Stranger things have happened in alternative realities.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Martin_Fierro (#6): I wouldn't expect a Brit know what respect is.
Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You would not expect it, but you do get it when you dererve it, and Remembrance is an occasion for respect.
Here is the letter(in Spanish) that teacher Julio Cao wrote to his students. He passed away June 10/1982.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.malvinense.com.ar/bcartas.html
Marcos 26 - what a load of crap that article is! Even the pic is a small radar control dome for a rapier antiaircraft nissile site - not an airport terminal etc! As for the crap about about all the capital nanval ships based at Mare hardbour! And the crap about it being off limit to Islanders! - anyone can drive down there! Naturally same as in any port anywhere in the world you cannot go onto the pier area itself without permission - same happens with cruiseships as well in your country!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course it is a strategic asset - any military base is to any country that has one anywhere in their own country or anywhere! Basic common sense. It was built for one reason - to stop your country ever doing again what it stupidly did in 1982. The fact that it is excluded from the recent defence review in UK-as it has been for some time - actually has 100% to do with the belligerent actions of the Kirscheners!
As for forcing people to go to your war memorials - how stupid and arrogant can you get? Some British veterans have been to yours in BA - and your one here- as a mark of RESPECT. Even some Arg veterans visit the British one here at San Carlos as a matter of RESPECT.
Islander1. You prodded me to check the link put on by Marcos 26. Somebody here is doing a lot of fantasizing; The Rapier has a range of between 400 and 6,800 meters (6,8 kms max range) and the Typhoones were replaced by Eurofighters some time back. The Clarin should be ashamed of themselves for not checking the tripe they write. There is such a thing as Janes.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0“the Typhoones were replaced by Eurofighters”
Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Huh? Same plane... talk about writing tripe
@33 ”Here is the letter(in Spanish) that teacher Julio Cao wrote to his students. He passed away June 10/1982.“
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Didn't make it back then? Only goes to show what can happen when you try to illegally invade British territory. Surely he's now a ”Hero of the Republic”? No doubt one of those caring soldiers tasked with rounding up civilians, including children, and imprisoning them in a hall without food or water. I suppose he's proud that he'll be in the Falklands forever. At least until he goes mouldy and falls apart. A pretty good parallel for Argentina. Grow up with hopes and dreams, attack British territory, go mouldy and fall apart. I reckon you've reached the mouldy stage.
Well as stated by Argentina, and you bloggers, that Argentina will never ever re-invade the Falklands, [that’s very nice to here,]
Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0with no violence from you, only peace talk, then we can ignore them , as theirs nothing to talk about, , then perhaps this will be the status quo for decades to come, the Falklands will be British, we will protect them, and you guys just carry on talking, bla bla bla .
37 Typhoon,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the right thing to do was to leave those civilians right where they were and have them get blown to pieces instead.
I like the “including children” part, very moving. You're right, children should be left alone in their homes during war.
38 briton,
“then we can ignore them , as theirs nothing to talk about”
Yes I see how you ignore us.
If we were to piss on the memory of one of your soldiers you'd have a whole bunch of 'moral' statement to throw at us.'Oh you Argies... blah blah blah'
Hypocrites
And who is piss on the memory of your soldiers,[you martin just you]
Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0my comment does not mention anything of the sort, unless of course you are reading a different blogg lol
Rhaurie-Craughwell I suggest you read that letter.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Poems_by_Wilfred_Owen/Dulce_et_Decorum_est
You might care to get your children to read something of the reality of war, like the poems of Wilfred Owen or Siegfried Sassoon, rather than the romatic prose of a naive idiot who talks of patriotic duty.
Justin Kuntz, once a naive idiot but no more.
40 briton,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was referring to Jefferson Airplane's comments on 37, focus briton.
I'm sick of these old senile demented elderly bigots, they're so f@cking old they can't keep their thoughts straight for two seconds.
If I cared to entertain this much elderly nonsense I'd get a job at a retirement home, get the hell out of here... go read the newspaper or talk to the birds or something.
36 Martin_Fierro (#) I stand corrected; was thinking of the previous fighters on the islands which were replaced (Tornados??)
Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofighter_Typhoon
Hey Isolde your country England miserably invaded Argentina twice during the early1800's and where defeated twice by Argentine forces and the only thing your country gained where a bunch of rocks called the Islas Malvinas that was taken illegaly Pirates of the Atlantic your country has always been a war mongering nation.
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@43 yes they were Tornados, Don't worry about Martin, he did know what you meant, he's just being a knob (as usual).
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 043,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok, that makes sense.
44 Tigre2000:
Apr 04th, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Learn your own history. Spain got involved in the Napoleonic Wars against us and you was spanish territory.
piss of idiot it was aimed at me, fxcking pillick
Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 044 Tigre2000 (#). It was a liberation not an invasion; we were trying to get the yoke of Spain off your backs (albeit our intention was to get our commerce into the area), in the end your liberation still came from our pockets as we financed San Martin, O'Higgins and Bolivar
Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is it every time Great Britain and others try to help people we are condemned, if we refuse to help, we are condemned, today another African country is slaughtering there own people, [11 UN workers] are killed, the UN threatens to bomb them [now who is going to this bombing] the French are there, should Britain get involved or let it go,
Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we can barely defend ourselves, just what do you call someone who puts others before his own, a hero or a fool ??
(49) Tim
Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have repeatedly told us about your ancestors arriving to Buenos Aires in 1835.
You have repeatedly asked other Argentineans, when their families arrived.
You have repeatedly used your family’s 175 years of residence in Argentina as a significant argument to reinforce the validity of your opinions.
Nonetheless, referring to the “Invasiones Inglesas” you write:
”It was a liberation not an invasion; “WE” were trying to get the yoke of Spain off “YOUR” backs (albeit “OUR” intention was to get “OUR” commerce into the area), in the end “YOUR” liberation still came from “OUR” pockets as “WE” financed San Martin, O'Higgins and Bolivar
May I ask who are you referring when you write “WE” and“OUR” ?
May I ask who are you referring when you write “YOUR”?
51 Think (#). Take yourself back in time to 1806/07. Argentina didn't exist, it was a Spanish colony, and at that time my family was still in England so it is obvious that the “we” are the British and the “your” would be the Spanish. As for San Martin, O'Higgins and Bolivar, the “we” can be taken for the British or the Masons; I am a Mason under the Grand Lodge of England and San Martin, O'Higgins and Bolivar were Masonic brothers or where do you think the cash came from to cover the cost of their campaign? The jewellery sold by the ladies of Mendoza?
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tim, You are so lost, since you consider yourself a fine Englishman, absurd, read your own bloody history around the world!
Apr 04th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Heart of smugness”
“Unlike Belgium, Britain is still complacently ignoring the gory cruelties of its empire”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/23/congo.comment
41 Justin Kuntz,“ once a naive idiot”
Correction: you still are, go get your medication.
53 Marcos Alejandro (#). I fell really sorry for you; ill mannered and no education or culture whatsoever. So typical of your kind, insults are your only defence.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0Welcome to the modern Argentinean cast offs
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here no truth-see no truth-speak no truth .
If this letter-writer was getting a bit of leg-over every school day at 1 o'clock from Mrs Alicia (the naughty married woman!), what the hell did he think he was doing buggering off to join in some stupid invasion and what the hell did he think he was doing writing to tell his pupils about it - Mrs Alicia, I mean?
Apr 05th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0...or was he talking about a hot drink? Can anyone clarify? Mrs Alicia, perhaps?
Sadly the likes of some Argentineans who care little of respect or honour,
Apr 05th, 2011 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0have little time for the rights of others, this is why their leader sprouts of crap, and some fools follow her, it does not matter if you condemn or praise Argentina, their deluded offspring on here listens not, and lets be honest most of them don’t even live in Argentina, thus making them postal advisers to the real Argentineans that would probably like to dump any idea of having anything to do with the Falklands,,,
but for a few brain dead power hungry fools who live in the past,, Argentina would almost certainly be today well respected, instead of the laughing stock of the world, and the only replies you will ever get from argie brain dead bloggers is crap crap then more crap while their country is being destroyed from within, what a waste of a good country and the decent majority to be represented by these fools,
Just my opinion .
Mr Tim, AsVice-President of the Royal British Legion Buenos Aires must've
Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0been hard to digest the article above @53,“Heart of smugness”
“Unlike Belgium, Britain is still complacently ignoring the gory cruelties of its empire”
Is good that you read it, it clearly shows that the English did not go around the World to have a cup of tea with the locals, like you suggested about the English failed(miserably) invasions of Buenos Aires in 1806, 1807 and blockade of the mid 1800's.
Did your English friend learn how to play the bag pipe?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9WUi5aWswA
58 Marcos Alejandro (#). Nobody can be proud - or smug - of excesses committed during the era of empire building, the worst - of the British -in my opinion, being committed by Gen Dyer; though in the words of an Indian I spoke to who said “the British were absolute shits but India would never be what it is today if it wasn't for them”. Incidentally there was no massacre in Buenos Ayres and there are some interesting books on this “invasion”, one in particular by Derek Foster (in Spanish).
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for our piper - he was taken on by Peter Mulvany (check Google) - he is Kevin Ham of Irish ancestry of a very old family in the country and a fairly recent player of the pipes. The San Lorenzo March is trying for any piper; this march has a history of its own and was played by the Germans when they marched into Paris, apart from being played regularly outside Buckingham Palace
(52) Tim
Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yeahh brother.
That’s why I asked.
I still have granddad’s golden ball fob somewhere :-)
Keep up the good work ............................
@52 Tim, thank you for answering that idiot Tigre2000 about the “invasions”that they like to go on about. Britain was involved in the Napoleonic wars & had a lot more to worry about than a small side-show like B.A. By the time the British had recovered, Spain was now an ally & there was no reason to invade Spanish America.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Had we had been as vindictive as these Argentines there was plenty of time latter on in the 19th century to invade & conquer Argentina. lt never happened as we had more than enough land in the rest of the world to keep us occupied.
By the way, have you ever researched the full story of General Dyer?
There are always more than one side to every story. Haven't made up my mind on that one yet. Quite a good book is“Six minutes to Sunset” Have read two other books about it as well, but can't remember their titles. Regards
Argentina belongs to the Falkland Islands.
Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is 300 miles away from the Falkland Islands.
Argentina is 7,000 miles from Spain.
Go back to Spain you colonialists.
OK, folks, I'd like to offer a special prize, and I haven't decided what it is yet, to anyone who can guess how much time we spend teaching children in the Faklands about 1982 and the beastly Argentines?
Apr 05th, 2011 - 03:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst you're at it, have a guess about the prescribed propaganda texts we use.
@58
Apr 05th, 2011 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The blockade of the mid 1800s did not fail, the de Rosas Government of the day signed away its claim to the Falkland Islands in the Convention of Settlement, that was the end of the matter.
@17
Such a grand Independence, the country must have been stable environment after 9 July 1816, but hang about the 1819 Constitution lasted barely a year before Anarchy took over and everyone was shooting at each other again on in February 1820, and that lawless period of Anarchy reigned in the un-United Provinces until 1826.
This means the 1825 Treaty that Argentina keeps mentioning as being their evidence that the British recognised Argentine Sovereignty over the Falkland Islands was an agreement with a non-state, and unconstitutional central government, which had little or no reach beyond the borders of Buenos Aires and a bit of river. Such evidence is tenuous at best, and to any reasonable person, highly unlikely, but I urge Argentina to present its case at the ICJ using this as the reason to ignore the UN Charter on Human Rights.
Good luck with that.
@59Tim. I agree with you on that, i.e. “the English being shits in India but that India wouldn´t be what it is like today if it wasnt for them.”
Apr 05th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, that is the reason why one of our presidents D.F. Sarmiento (1868-1874) wanted to encourage Anlgo-saxon immigration to Argentina, especially Germans and Americans. But as far as I know he did NOT want the English as much. Maybe coz back then, the USA were a country he admired for its citizens; both politically prepared, indpendent, with a get-go to start and do businesses/industries. The Germans, got their unity after the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71 and it was born into Europe as a powerful central european state over the next 20 years until 1890 (when Bismarck, the German State Chancellor was dismissed by William II).
The English were not much wanted by those supporting DFSarmiento´s views, mostly on grounds that they were here only to exploit the land for the sole benefit of the English Crown, empire-building in other words (See Lord Canning thoughts/words about the South Americans getting independent in the 1810-30 period, he clearly said, let them have their countries and flags and anthems, we will anyhow throttle them by the neck commercially; WELL the British invasion of the Argentine Malvinas Is. was just one strategic step out of many the UK took in the direction toward realizaing their Crown Schemes for Latin America).
AND,.... they have been SUCCESSFUL!
Examples of British policy “divide and exploit”: military backup for CHile against war with Bolivia/Peru. Military backup for dividing Brazil southern provinces fr B.A. (Republic/ of Corrientes-Entre Rios lasted a while, Rep Rio Grandense in southern Brazil, the very creation of Uruguay and its separation from the Argentina was a disgrace. That way the UK by helping the uruguayans get independent from its neighbor, forever secured a port of entry into the rich South Americn plains (even if the 1806/07 invasion of B.A. failed) in Montevideo.
..& theres +!
64 Wireless ”Eventually both Britain and France surrendered, signing treaties acknowledging the Argentine sovereignty over its rivers in 1849 (Britain) and 1850 (France).“
Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0After the failure of the expedition to the Parana, Ouseley wrote to his government requesting 10,000 British soldiers, 10,000 French soldiers and an open declaration of war to conclude the conflict. However, unknown to him, Tomás Samuel Hood was already navigating to Buenos Aires with the opposite instructions from the allied countries: negotiate an end to the hostilities, at whatever price Rosas demanded”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_blockade_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata
“Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina ”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_blockade_of_the_R%C3%ADo_de_la_Plata
Just more smoke and mirrors to make you forget the price of milk and meat..
Apr 06th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@67 Bubba, agree with that.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Self-determination” …just smoke and mirrors to make you forget the size of Argentine sovereign territory the UK claims in the South Atlantic, 5 million km².
Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@69 Martin, agree with that.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 070 - Now you're just going to sign in with one of your other usernames and disagree. ;)
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't claim it, we have possession of it, it is Argentina that claims things, but then anyone can make claims can't they?
Apr 06th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can claim to have walked on the Moon, but it's as ridiculous as Argentine claims to British Overseas Territories, we both know that even if we won't both admit it.
72 Wireless,
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I can claim to have walked on the Moon”
Actually I would believe you Wireless, believe you believe to have walked on the Moon.
(71) Frase
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already did.................................... at (71 ;~)
69 and 70 (again) - Let's assume that you're right and the British government are using Self-determination for purely economic gain....
Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does this have any real bearing on the right of the Islanders to self-determination?
Does this mean that anyone who thinks that the islands belong to the Islanders is wrong?
As I've said before, my family is my main concern, we live in Argentina and have no plans to move to Britain, I'm not interested in the Antartica dispute and I'd only feel any economic benefits if the islands were under Argentine control. I just think that the islands belong to the people that live there.gain....
Does this have any real bearing on the right of the Islanders to self-determination?
Does this mean that anyone who thinks that the islands belong to the Islanders is wrong?
As I've said before, my family is my main concern, we live in Argentina and have no plans to move to Britain, I'm not interested in the Antartica dispute and I'd only feel any economic benefits if the islands were under Argentine control. I personally just think that the islands belong to the people that live there.
Nothing wrong with this letter, it is a letter from a soldier who was conscripted to fight for his country in an illegal occupation. And however we feel about Argentina's occupation of the Falklands we must remember that most of these soldiers had no choice but to go where their stupid Government sent them, and also remember that while we In Britain are not subject to incessant lies and propaganda about a country's sovereignty, the same cant be said for the people of Argentina who have been told right from birth that the Falklands belong to Argentina, history and law shows is not the case.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Many letters are written by lonely soldiers on long dark nights to their loved ones and to people that they knew back home, perhaps I should post some of the letters that I wrote to my wife and my children, you would find that they are something similar to this one.
And I sincerly hope that Julio” made it backe home to those children and his loved ones, as in the end thats what all soldiers want to happen when its all over.
76 Britishbulldog, He didn't, passed away June 10/1982.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos Alejandro . Thats a shame as an old soldier I salute the young man who gave his life, as we all should do respective of who we are and what country we come from.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 They're not.
Apr 06th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No.
No.
Understood
Again NO!
NO!
Yes UNDERSTOOD!
You got Alzheimers?
Obviously must have pressed Ctrl + V twice....Thanks for so wittily bringing it to my attention
Apr 06th, 2011 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Malvinas news of the day that MercoPress, somehow, didn’t ”spot”…………….
Apr 07th, 2011 - 08:32 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Overfishing ? :
“Many Falkland Island seabirds have known important declines over the past decades……
”Falkland skuas are top predators of marine ecosystems. They will take fish, squid, crustaceans, and they are also important predators of other seabirds. If something is not well with them, it may mean that something is not well with the rich Patagonian shelf ecosystem. ”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm
2) Wrong Investment ? :
”The story of RAB Capital’s fall from grace serves as a metaphor for the entire credit crunch. Its recent play on Falkland Oil & Gas was a shocker: the firm’s shares have plummeted from 243.5p in July to 81.75p yesterday, after its three-year quest for oil in the Falklands proved fruitless.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm
3) Christian fundamentalist’s Yankee opinion about Malvinas:
”Be assured, Argentina sees this - and sooner or later will once again test Britain! When this test comes, Bible prophecy says Britain will lose control of this strategic asset (Deuteronomy 28:52).”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_9447000/9447159.stm
In short:
Britain is destroying all wildlife in Malvinas
Britain is losing a l.ooo.ooot of money on Malvinas.
God is on the Argentinean side on the “Malvinas Issue”.
Good news ;-)
Britain is destroying all wildlife in Malvinas
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you likedf anchovies Think
A paper in Science reveals that Argentina plan to develop a small-scale trawler fishery for the‘under-exploited’ anchovy includes no mechanism to quantify the impact on wildlife .
Anchovy populations are naturally variable as they are food for many species so they have many bad years in their populations. Over fishing will not only deplete their numbers but also of their predators like penguins and Guano Birds.
Penguins of Punta Tombo: Charming but in Trouble
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/AmazingAnimals/penguins-punta-tombo-argentina-population-decline/story?id=9779082
@81 Think, you wish Cher Think.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0(83) Cher Isolde….
Apr 07th, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Permit me to introduce you to a good internet source of information about Latin-America….
http://upsidedownworld.org/main/argentina-archives-32/2987-resource-control-and-military-might-the-future-of-the-malvinasfalkland-islands
I know that you, as a British Citizen under siege for protecting the sacred interests for Queen and Country, have to play the “Tough Cookie” against us but…………………….
I also believe that you are somehow interested in our Continent.
This is a good site to complement your knowledge ……………
Under siege?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0More like a protracted sulk.
@84 Think, don't like her figures. She says the population is 2,500 & there are 2,500 troops(who she says are often included in the population census). That gives a total of 5,000. l have never heard of anyone claiming that we have a population of 5,000.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, who cares what she thinks, they are our lslands, not yours.
(86) Cher Isolde….
Apr 07th, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0“She” doesn’t say that….. The article clearly states:
”While the assertion that population of the Malvinas is “implanted” is strong, census data collected by Britain reveals that it is largely true.
In a 2006 report, Argentine congress member Daniel Oscar Gallo and a team of researchers presented a document that revealed that not only are military personnel often included in the count of 2,500 civilians living on the islands, but that just 40 percent of the population has lived on the islands for more than 10 years, and only 42 percent of the population was born on the island.”
Which is basically true… I quote from your own 2006 Census:
## The 1996 through 2006 figure include persons present in the Falkland Islands in connection with the military garrison, (1996=483; 2001=534; 2006=477), but exclude all military personell and their families. (Page 1)
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/documents/Census%20Report%202006.pdf
This is a cheap and easy way of artificially boost your statistic population with ~20% by using citizens from Chile, Indonesia, Kenya, Peru, Philippines, St. Helena, Uganda, Uruguay, etc., temporarily contracted by the MoD to clean British troops latrines, serve British troops their drinks and other “skilled” jobs.
I'm still looking for the UN resoultion that states “implanted” people have no human rights. Or even any UN website, document, pamphlet, newsletter or anything that uses the word implanted.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or any UN resolution that states that the falklanders aren't allowed immigration.
Any?
No?
Didn't think so.
Whats the population of - South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''This is a cheap and easy way of artificially boost your statistic population''
Apr 07th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don't you engage your brain? It's a census. It counts everyone. The military personnel have to take part in the UK census.
Can you tell from the data where people have come from and their immigration status? Yes, so what's the big conspiracy this time?
Full marks to the Argentine congressman and his team for reading the census data. I'd be very disappointed if a 15 year- oldGCSE student couldn't manage it.
@think 87
Apr 07th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very interesting think, question is....does it matter if only 42% of people counted in the census were born here?
I'll give you a clue, the answer is one two letter word, starts with N and ends with O.
Very interesting WestisBest, question is....does it matter if only 42% of your sheep survive a harsh winter?
Apr 07th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'll give you a clue, the answer is one two letter word,................................ starts with S and ends with I.
Nice tangent Think.
Apr 07th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@92Think, how many citizens of Argentina were born in other countries? And don't forget to include the Bolivians,Paraguayans & others who clean your latrines & serve drinks etc.etc.
Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0@92 also the Indigenous Population,mind you might not be so many of them seeing your goverment dont tend to take much care of them
Apr 08th, 2011 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Six indigenous children die of malnutrition in Argentina 10 February 2011
http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/6990
(94) Isolde
Apr 08th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
”Think, how many citizens of Argentina were born in other countries? And don't forget to include the Bolivians, Paraguayans & others who clean your latrines & serve drinks etc. etc.”
I say:
Loads of people from our neighbouring countries live in Argentina….. And under current Argentinean law they are granted permanent residence and citizenship fairly easy.
Quite different from Malvinas….As I clearly write at Post No. 87:
”Using citizens from Chile, Indonesia, Kenya, Peru, Philippines, St. Helena, Uganda, Uruguay, etc., temporarily contracted by the MoD to clean British troops latrines, serve British troops their drinks and other “skilled” jobs.”
Key word here being: ”Temporarily contracted by the MOD”
This people have no chance whatsoever of getting a “permanent residence” or become Citizens of Malvinas.
The MoD makes them sign a contract where they explicitly must forfeit any right or pretention of the sort.
Don’t you believe me…..? Ask them….You know where they live…..
Notwithstanding, the FIG(leaf) chooses to include those “Temporary Guest Workers” in the total population, artificially “Boosting” the number of Islanders, to give the impression of a growing and thriving community.
Reality is that there are no more than 2.400 people in the Islands with “permanent residence”
Of those……………, less than 1.000 are born in the Islands.
How the Argies look after their own,how can people die of malnutrition the land of steak?
Apr 08th, 2011 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBlYCCnh-II
@98
Apr 08th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not quite sure why you have a beef about this think, surely from your point of view it's better if the Falklands have a tough immigration policy, means there'll be less of us to annoy the RG's.
”Notwithstanding, the FIG(leaf) chooses to include those “Temporary Guest Workers” in the total population, artificially “Boosting” the number of Islanders, to give the impression of a growing and thriving community.”
Indulging in a bit of hyperbole think? Anyone who is in the Falklands when a census is being taken is counted, that's what you do with a census. That does not mean that people who work on short-term MOD contracts are represented as being Permanent residents, maybe in Rgentina you merely count heads and leave it at that but you'll find if you check that the census here actually does categorise people according to various criteria, including their immigration status.
(98) WestisBest
Apr 08th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say
“Surely from your point of view it's better if the Falklands have a tough immigration policy, means there'll be less of us to annoy the RG's.”
I say:
Absolutely right.....
Ultimately you will end deporting yourselves back to the UK :-)
:-)))))
Apr 08th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In your dreams Think, it'll take a bit more than your purported sabotage of Stanleys pizza delivery service to send us packing, wonder what Argentina's next mighty blow against us will be?
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
I hope to see a day when Argentina will complete their own nuclear defence program and intercontinental balistic missile to test it in Malvinas Argentina, we could use Malvinas to test nuclear bombs, as british did in the past with some other island, I say what's good for them is also good for us.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@102“I” where are you at present, niño? perhaps you could activate a homing beacon so that nuclear nations can practice on you. You'd be doing the world a service & we'd all be getting the practice.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0(101)
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well..................
We could target your pubs....
But no;.... Not even Rg's are so inhuman ;-)
You could target SOME of the pubs Think, not the Victory Bar though please.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@102 Ah, I see the Canadian fundamentalist is back on his soapbox, must be wake up time in the asylum. Still early yet though, not too much dribble so far today eh I(diot)?
Don't worry my Kelper foe.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will be fair, noble and magnanimous in Victory
We will spare the Victory.
Please spare the Keppels Head, also.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@78 .... Thats a shame as an old soldier I salute the young man who gave his life, as we all should do respective of who we are and what country we come from........
Apr 11th, 2011 - 02:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Finally a statement worth reading !!! Thanks man
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