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Visiting officials to Argentina will have pay homage at the Malvinas cenotaph

Saturday, April 2nd 2011 - 19:42 UTC
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Argentina will change its official protocol for visiting officials: besides the traditional flower wreath at the monument of General Jose de San Martin, visitors will also have to pay homage to the fallen in the Malvinas Islands at the cenotaph with their names at the Wall pages. Read full article

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  • malen

    You must be refering to José de San Martín (no San Martí), Libertador de Argentina, Chile y Perú......you are so prouruguayan and probritish you dont know him
    I heard her and I dont remember saying that of San Martín, yes that every school should have a classroom called like one of our Malvinas combatientes

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • googer62

    Forcing visiting officials to pay homage ? Does that mean that voluntarily they normally have no wish to ? sounds very Argentine to me. If you can't get your own way then use force. Most macho. I rather think this one may bite them in the rear end :-)

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Visiting officials to Argentina will have pay homage at the Malvinas cenotaph
    [this we have got to see] down bitch and kiss my ass ???

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Hope they tidy it up first

    'With the Gurkhas in the Falklands' - A War Journal's Postscript

    By Mike Seer
    July 2003

    As my thoughts inevitably spun back twenty-one years to 1982's eventful second quarter and those extraordinary events in the South Atlantic that changed so many lives, a few blissfully unaware people continued to sit on the adjacent grass bank. I gazed at the long, slightly elliptical pink-stone memorial and its eternal flame guarded by two Argentine Navy sentries clad in dark-blue uniforms and armed with bayonet-fixed rifles. A dark-suited civilian nearby, who was obviously connected with the security arrangements, spoke almost continuously into his mobile telephone as a cleaner swept away some cigarette ends and rubbish from the memorial steps

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    But what would she say to the great obama, she does not like him, he did not come and see her, down bitch and let me kiss my own ass ?

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    Clearly running out of ways to moan.

    Apr 02nd, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    British are clearly ignorant of the fact that most countries on Earth have the same exact protocol, such as Russia.

    Your personal issues with Argentina have nothing to do with this.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Yes Martin, just like North Korea.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • sj_ken

    The people living on the Falkland/Malvinas Islands do not want to be part of Argentina. You lost a war in 1982, you lost your claim to the Falkland/Malvinas Islands.

    This sounds like the Argentine governments smoke screen to cover up the fact they can't solve Argentina's real problems.
    Hopefully Argentina's people are not really this gullible.

    If the problems in Argentina get bad enough, will there be another war to take people's minds off the real problems?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    sj_ken, your propaganda is older than your Big Ben

    The UK has no legitimate rights over a territory 8,000 miles away, a territory that was never theirs to begin with.

    Save your propaganda, it's boring.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rob the argentinean

    #6 You right, Z., running out of ways to moan and, having general elections ahead, needing to show her followers she rules.
    People must know most of her followers get pay for voting her and for assisting at her events.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=40426

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Rob, if you are an Argentine, like your nick name suggest, you will have no problem understanding this:

    COLGATE DE ESTA Y GRITA TARZAN

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    Think, are you honestly comparing the leader of an allied country laying a wreath for the million plus British war dead over two world wars, not to mention the ten million dead Russian/Soviet soldiers on their first visit, 11 years after the war had ended, with requiring foreign dignitaries from unallied countries, to not only lay a wreath but to also “pay homage to the fallen”, all 649 that are admitted to, as well?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/12/13/ceremonies-at-london-s-cenotaph-and-the-falklands-to-remember-battle-day

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Will they get them to pay homage at the Escuela de Suboficiales de Mecánica de la Armada

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESMA

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 08:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @12 Think, where do you dredge up these old films? Loved the old cars.
    How are you going to make the Chinese(or anyone else for that matter) pay homage if they decide that they're not going to?
    @16 Good point suyj.
    @10 Martino, both you and your propaganda are very boring.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    17 lsolde,

    I'm just trying to see if your boy “Rob the argentinean” can translate what I wrote, google translate isn't gonna do it. ;-)

    Nobody help Rob, lets see if he can do it.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    “This sounds like the Argentine governments smoke screen to cover up the fact they can't solve Argentina's real problems.”

    That is my very real concern. The people of Argentina deserve so much better. They have a country rich in resources and with great potential but are continually let down by poor government and mismanagement of the economy.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    All countries have problems, it sure as hell looks like the UK has its problems.

    No need to ignore sovereignty issues just because the nation has problems.

    You're the ones trying to create a “smoke screen”, we see the issue very clearly.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 10:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    This pronouncement is not like the Chinese emperors insisting that foreign potentiates prostrate themselves and even crawl to the feet of the man-god called the emperor.

    It is now an official requirement of official foreign visitors to Argentina that they attend a ceremony at the cenotaph of the Argentinian war-dead.
    All visiting dignitories from Unasur countries will, without exception, be expected to do so, as well as those from the rest of the world.

    The UK must respect and reciprocate with even greater respect.

    Thus, on European turf, Unasur dignitories must pay their respects and condolances at each of the British War Graves Commission memorials before meeting with UK officials.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    I think Geoff said it better than any one of us.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @20. I do not think it is an issue to be ignored at all but it should not become a priority whenever a diversion is required from more urgent issues at home. It is like saying, sure the economy is in a mess, inflation is rampant (again) and we are struggling to make our debt repayments but look! Over there! The nasty Brits are STILL on 'our' islands after 180 years.

    Sure The UK has problems but they are really comparable and it appears the government is addressing the issues not trying to divert attention. By not comparable I mean that the UK would never be allowed to be bankrupt because the global effect would be too catastrophic. Unfortunately, as we all witnessed in 2001/02, the IMF took the decision to refuse to continually bail out Argentina at that time would have little effect outside of the country.

    Personally I think that decision was utterly ruthless even given the arrogance of Argentina's finance minister at the time who was convinced he could walk on water. He sank pretty quickly.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Elain, I don't know if you speak Spanish or not, this is Casa Rosada's channel on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/user/casarosada

    The only time the president talks about the issue of sovereignty is on April 2, that's it. She may mention the issue occasionally, but if you look through the speeches most of them have absolutely nothing to do with it.

    Yes Argentina has problems, yes there is corruption, yes there is poverty. Should the issue of sovereignty be ignored? No.

    I seriously doubt even if you do speak Spanish, that you would watch any other speech not related to the sovereignty dispute. You WANT the president to be what you need her to be, it's not even about CFK, any Argentine president that speaks of Argentine sovereignty over Malvinas is just manipulative.

    Well you're wrong.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Why bothering with UK now if in 10 year or less will be claimed for the Islam’s Brotherhood and may be annexed to Pakistan?

    All UK territories including OT will have to address Sharia law.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I

    “London had been named “Londonistan” by the French security services during the 1990s, when they became alarmed and frustrated by the growing presence of Algerian Islamists who used London as a rear base from which to conduct their terrorist campaign against France”

    “Life under the Sharia
    Woman in a face-concealing head veil with only her eyes visible The Sharia sets out rules of conduct for women and men .
    The Sharia covers all aspects of human life. Classical Sharia manuals are often divided into four parts: laws relating to personal acts of worship, laws relating to commercial dealings, laws relating to marriage and divorce, and penal laws.”

    “ God has permitted that sound intellect and knowledge be promoted, and forbidden that which corrupts or weakens it, such as alcohol and drugs. He has also imposed preventative punishments in order that people stay away from them, because a sound intellect is the basis of the moral responsibility that humans were given.
    # Marriage was legislated for the preservation of lineage, and sex outside marriage was forbidden. Punitive laws were put in placed in order to ensure the preservation of lineage and the continuation of human life.
    # God has made it obligatory to support oneself and those one is responsible for, and placed laws to regulate the commerce and transactions between people, in order to ensure fair dealing, economic justice, and to prevent oppression and dispute.”

    Sound very nice...

    America addressing Shaira law?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2VkIu8TL_I

    Allah! Allah! Dónde estás????

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @24 Thanks I will check it out.

    You misunderstand me. I don't think the debate about sovereignty should be ignored.

    I spend more than half of every year working in SoAm, Argentina being a regular and much-loved destination. I have many friends there who are always amazingly helpful and entertaining to spend time with when I am not working.

    I was just curious to know what you expect from your president and what you think needs to be a priority for your government. It is a question I ask man people I interview (though abviously this is not an interview) and I always receive full and frank answers.

    @25. Muslims make up less than 3% of the UK population. And very welcome they are too, as are all that make up the rich and diverse culture of the UK. The UK is a truly mulit-cultural country built on immigration from all corners of the world. I think that is just fine.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @25
    Woman in a face-concealing head veil with only her eyes visible

    Women conceal their faces for other reasons in Argentina

    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=360379&CategoryId=14093

    BUENOS AIRES – A total of 126 women died as a result of domestic violence in Argentina during the first half of this year, 40 percent more victims than during the same period in 2009, according to statistics published Wednesday by the organization La Casa del Encuentro.

    http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=360379&CategoryId=14093

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    26 ElaineB,

    I understand. My questions then would be: Do my views differ greatly from those of the average Argentine citizen? If so, what is the average view of Argentines towards Argentina?

    Like I said before, my views are those of someone that looks at the country from both the inside and the outside. I think that anyone who hasn't left the country they're from, tends to have a limited perception of reality because they have no point of reference.

    Many Argentines thinks that anything that is imported is better, that just about any other country in the world is more advanced in one way or another. When you leave the country you see that this isn't true, you see that other countries have poverty as well, severe poverty even in countries like the U.S., I've seen it.

    It is an undermining attitude that I understand, but that I am admittedly dead set against, it cannot continue. It will change if the country changes, we must change it.

    Where are you from? If you don't mind my asking. The UK?

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    They have suddenly remembered they have a cenotaph!!!! WOW!!! For a very long time there wasn't even an Honour Guard and even if there is - it has now been restored - wait till darkness comes or the first drops of rain. They scarper so damn fast you don't want to believe it.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @28. Thanks that is interesting. I had not realise that many Argentines had that opinion of all things foreign. Do you think that might be as a result of the many TV programmes from the US ? The promotion of the 'American Dream' has to be the most successful advertising campaign ever. The reality is, of course, quite different.

    I have come across the skewed idea that all people from England are rich. Obviously not true! There are many social problems and sink estates. Nothing to compare to the villas but certainly not pleasant to inhabit.

    I had an interesting opinion from an Argentine on my last trip. She suggested that it might be harder to be poor in a country like England than in Argentina. I am not sure I agree with that as everything is relative.

    Yes, I am from the UK but spend most of my time abroad wherever my work takes me. For the last two years that has primarily been South America.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Rob, Having a hard time to translate #13? Ask anybody in Argentina and they will tranlate for you.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ stick up your junta

    “England & Wales 4.9% of women have reported rape or sexual assault on at least one occasion since the age of 16. (2000 data). (E, London Metropolitan University, 2003).

    “Ireland 20.4% of women have reported a sexual assault as adults, and 6.4% - rape. (A 2002 study) (E, London Metropolitan University, 2003)”

    “Scotland rape is the national sport 922 rape cases that were reported to the police only 27. Of the 922 rape cases that were reported to the police, 65 were prosecuted but only 2.9% resulted in a conviction” Um...

    “Carol, a prostitute from the east end of Glasgow, was attacked by three men who mutilated her with a razor. She went to the police, who collected forensic evidence and identified the men, but the crown dropped the case because they decided the victim was too traumatised to give evidence”...

    “US a woman is raped every 2 minutes” click, click...

    “Data 2008, Argentina 5.8% of women over 16 reported being sexually assaulted in the previous five years” can you see 5 years 1.16% average for year.

    Women if you see a brit or yank ran away specially if he is from Glasgow or he use a nick name like Stick up your junta.
    Monkeys in action http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0TAPYj11Do

    Brits and sub species are very violent, especially after a few drinks.

    : )

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Seems the Argies dont need a drink to get nasty with women

    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=46092

    Studies estimate that 4.5 million women a year in Argentina suffer some kind of gender violence.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RICO

    Nico - none of those figures are anything to be proud of but the argentinian stat of 1.16% being raped per year is most horrific even if their adult life expectancy is only 50 years that would equate to 58% and that doesn't include the many transsexuals that also get abused by Argentinian men - and the Argentinians wonder why the Falklands don't want to be occupied by the Argentinians again.

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Gender violence in Argentina

    All the way to the top

    Cristina Kirchner, puppet of her raging husband
    Life in the pink palace of Argentina's ruling couple is no bed of roses, says a new biography of President Cristina Kirchner. It portrays her as the puppet of an authoritarian husband who once punched her in the face for defying his will

    http://en.mercopress.com/2010/09/07/cristina-kirchner-puppet-of-her-raging-husband

    Apr 03rd, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ Wireless

    “19 Wireless: Honest, Reasonable, Logical,” ????

    May I hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    @ RICO

    Arg female life expectancy: 80.36 years

    “transsexuals that also get abused by Argentinian men”

    And how do you know that? May be self-estimation in situ?

    @ stick up your junta

    And you read these kind of crappy books? Sylvina Walger, haha No comments

    Well people write to sell books, someone wrote about Prince Phillip & Charles to arrange the crash of lady D. What do you think should be true?

    If you want to kill women in UK using stones is not my fault or killing each other in Scotland with a knife like salvages on the streets.

    Brutish are like this, Drink, Rape and go to get a fight with someone and if they are inoffensive children more fun. You should know that very well is part of your DNA.

    The French should won Waterloo, you would be more civilized and educated today.

    Think about it...

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    UK would never be allowed to be bankrupt because the global effect would be too catastrophic.

    Wrong, that's only in your head, though the UK government brainwash their own people that their banks are too big to fail, what is a disaster for the british people. Deeper austerity measures are coming than I would like to hear if the brits still care about their banks that are actually BROKE. so far, the ponzi scheme is still going great.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    The French should won Waterloo, you would be more civilized and educated today.

    Civilized and educated?

    Great schools you have in Argentina like, Escuela de Suboficiales de Mecánica de la Armada

    Civilized? way to go Argies

    Almost 5,000 people were taken and held in the ESMA, and more than 90% of them were murdered. Executions were usually announced as “transfers”, as if to other prisons. The prisoners were taken to the basement, sedated, and then killed: some by firing squad (their bodies to be cremated in the nearby sports field), others in “death flights”, flown over the Río de la Plata and dumped from the airplanes while unconscious.

    The violent deaths of four inmates in Argentine prisons in the past few weeks has confirmed the ‘systematic’ violation of human rights in the country’s penal system according to human rights groups.

    A new report by the Coordinating Committee against Police and Institutional Repression (CORREPI), an organisation for families of the victims of police brutality, says that the deaths of four prisoners in December exposes the violent conditions in Argentina’s jails

    http://www.argentinareporter.com/2010/01/17/systematic-human-rights-abuses-in-argentinas-prison-system/

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    31 Marcos Alejandro,

    Rob is busy asking around what the post on 13 means. lol

    Has anyone see Rob? The “Argentinean”?

    Anybody?

    crik.....crik....crik

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 07:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    ANY man convicted of rape, if it's beyond doubt, should be publicly casterated.
    ANY man who punches a woman should be publicly flogged.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @20
    “You're the ones trying to create a “smoke screen”, we see the issue very clearly.”

    Smokescreen? 'the sovereignty of the Falklands is not negotiable'
    some smokescreen, you argies must get confounded easily.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @37 Um, UK banks are not broke and the banks that were grossly mismanaged by getting involved in unsustainable lending practises (don't get me started on that!) are recovering well and are perfectly stable.

    You seem to be confusing that with the government austerity measures to manage the country's debt run up by the last government. This feckless and reckless spending will be a burden for many generations to come. No one likes to have to cut back on a lifestyle but generally people accept the situation. They may not like it but the reality is that people are going to have to bite the bullet to get through the next decade (and probably beyond) to reduce debt.

    People have been making their views clear by protesting about WHERE the cuts are made. The UK are very protective of public services and anxious that the less wealthy should not carry the majority of the burden of cuts. (Unfortunately the right to peaceful protest was spoilt by a very few idiots who probably didn't even know what they were protesting about).

    Now, to return to the original point. Individual banks can be allowed to fail if necessary. Barings springs to mind. But the country cannot because the knock on effect globally would be catastrophic. This might seem unfair but it is fact.

    If we are to consider what happened in Argentina in 2001/02, banks really did effectively go out of business and the effect was catastrophic to the good people of Argentina but had little impact beyond the border (save for some damage in Brazil). It was considered to be acceptable to allow Argentina to become effectively bankrupt and without further assistance from the IMF.

    I personally think that was a terrible decision by the IMF who seemed to regard the government of Argentina as a rully, arrogant child that needed to be taught a lesson. The reality was that the average hardworking person was punished beyond a reasonable level. JMO

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ stick up your junta

    Comparing that with Britain’s rate Argieland is paradise.

    “Figures from the Forum for Preventing Deaths in Custody show almost 600 people die annually in prisons, police cells and other units.”
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7005556.stm

    Do you know that in Britain prisons officers were found guilty on promoting fights against prisoners while betting on who kills the other first? A very strange sport, Isn’t it?

    Come on mate you are not a good example of civilization in this world.



    @ElaineB

    And do you really believe what you say?

    “Now, to return to the original point. Individual banks can be allowed to fail if necessary. Barings springs to mind. But the country cannot because the knock on effect globally would be catastrophic. This might seem unfair but it is fact.”

    If some private banks in UK run out of business, the UK govt. will have to bailout them again else the crash will lead to a contagious bank run causing a massive business bankruptcy while producing a new recession more unemployment and constrain in consumption what will may be end in a deep depression.

    “effect globally would be catastrophic” for some yes and for another don’t.

    In the 90 crashed Russia, Asia and Latam all together bigger than UK and the world still is going on.

    You have as an example the crash of 2007/8 where UK and US together with the PIGS are still dealing with the debt problem, while the rest of the world is growing faster and faster.

    Noting will happen if countries such as UK or Spain collapse or default.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 02:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    41,

    “the sovereignty of the Falklands is not negotiable”

    Ah but you left out the best part! “The UK has no doubts about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands” on behalf of the kind, noble, heart-warming islanders.

    UK... God bless their souls, they're so sweet.... this has absolutely nothing to do with the 2.5 million km² claimed by the UK in the South Atlantic, not counting the Argentine Antarctic territory which would make this a total area of 5 million km².

    HOW'S THAT FOR A SMOKE SCREEN?

    5 MILLION km² of Argentine sovereign territory, and then they say our president gives this issue too much emphasis. Every minute of every day of attention on this issue, is too little.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    43 NicoDin (#). You certainly come up with interesting information “Do you know that in Britain prisons officers were found guilty on promoting fights against prisoners while betting on who kills the other first? A very strange sport, Isn’t it?” Perhaps you could substantiate this with valid documentary backing.

    As for ElaineB, she writes with obvious authority so I wouldn't tangle with her.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @45

    “UK... God bless their souls, they're so sweet.... this has absolutely nothing to do with the 2.5 million km² claimed by the UK in the South Atlantic, not counting the Argentine Antarctic territory which would make this a total area of 5 million km²”

    What the hell are you blithering about? This 'smoke screen' exists only in you tiny, deluded, paranoid, argie brains. This may be difficult for you to understand but it's not all a big conspiracy. With or without sovereignty of the Falklands the British will still be in the South Atlantic and Antarctica, if you think you can do something about that (and the Falklands) then let's see it....and if not then please do feel free to keep right on beating your breasts and shouting if it makes you feel better.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    47 WestisBest

    No problem, I'll post it again.

    “the sovereignty of the Falklands is not negotiable”

    Ah but you left out the best part! “The UK has no doubts about its sovereignty over the Falkland Islands” on behalf of the kind, noble, heart-warming islanders.

    UK... God bless their souls, they're so sweet.... this has absolutely nothing to do with the 2.5 million km² claimed by the UK in the South Atlantic, not counting the Argentine Antarctic territory which would make this a total area of 5 million km².

    HOW'S THAT FOR A SMOKE SCREEN?

    Lets see how many times you can dodge your eyes.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Figures from the Forum for Preventing Deaths in Custody show almost 600 people die annually in prisons, police cells and other units.”
    news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7005556.stm

    Did you read the Article Nicotine?

    Two-thirds of the deaths are natural causes, the figures reveal, the rest being self-inflicted, accidents, overdoses or killings

    Now the Argies
    CORREPI says that 33% of the 2,826 deaths linked to police brutality between 1983-2009 took place in prisons, juvenile detention centers or police holding cells. Although a large number are attributed to suicide of fights between inmates, CORREPI says prison authorities are also culpable.

    Thats if the Argie prison guards can keep them in

    Two escape from an Argentine jail guarded by a dummy

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-10706626

    is that your day job Nicotine?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Martin #48,

    the time has come for us to go head to head on 20W-80W.

    You can not go uncorrected.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    50,

    Huh?

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ stick up your junta

    Really?

    Sure mate your prisoners die of boringness, depression, hurt attack, and for excess of police’s kindness.

    Don’t be silly Sticky Brutish in action

    Brutal police abusing an ex soldier
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8unXc5Vxk&NR=1

    Coward police abusing a woman (Of course the coward attacks who cannot be a risk for him) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8unXc5Vxk&NR=1

    U.K. Police, Punch and Tazer x3 suspect on the ground
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8unXc5Vxk&NR=1

    racist nah!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8unXc5Vxk&NR=1

    innocent pedestrian killed by London police brutality
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8unXc5Vxk&NR=1

    Britain: The beating of Delbo King highlights police racism and brutality
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH8unXc5Vxk&NR=1

    Do you want more about Brutish cowards?

    The Galtieri junta could learn from you mate.

    Apr 04th, 2011 - 10:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    52 NicoDin (#). Difference is that these police have appeared on YouTube and have been brought to justice as is stated in these videos; as for Galtieri, he came at the end of the Junta - a bit of a drunken bum who moved away from Nicky Costa Mendez's and Jorge Anaya's original plan of invading and then pulling out - and as far as I know the Juntas (Operation Condor) were trained by the Algerians

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 01:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Bubba

    Ahh, see what the election season brings out.. Smoke from the past and mirrors of the future. CFK will run Argentina into the ground some more while places like Uruguay and Paraguay take away world market share in grain and beef..

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ Tim
    “Difference is that these police have appeared on YouTube and have been brought to justice as is stated in these videos”

    No mate the only difference is in the rhythm of the music.

    Galtieri’s police were hearing:
    Patricio Rey y sus redonditos de ricota
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KJgI8JZXGw

    While your Bobies are still hearing:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KJgI8JZXGw

    : )

    @ Bubba

    Are you hungry Bubba always thinking in something to eat?

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tim

    55 NicoDin (#). Your “was” and “were” is quite right; due to the “was” we now have no security and a lot of ass needs to be kicked to sort it out, but the police have their hands tied. How about the Singapore system of administering justice??? No problems with crime or security there, or isn't this acceptable either???

    As for Bubba, unfortunately he is quite right; have you noticed the price of meat due to the depleted herds as a result of this govts agricultural policy??? The famous Argentine asado is going the way of the Dodos.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    No wonder you argies are thick,your police murder the teachers

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173116.html

    And credit where it is due,you argies are better at football and police brutality than us Brits

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173116.html

    In Argentina, government efforts to confront corruption and brutality in the police force have gone through starts and stops, with attention in the 1990s falling to economic and political pressures in more recent years. Now, human rights groups report an alarming increase in police violence against poor youth. The disappearance of a 16-year-old in a Buenos Aires suburb has shed light on police corruption and officers who are quick to use force. FSRN’s Marie Trigona reports from Buenos Aires.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173116.html

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @45 Angry- man-Martin. Of course we claim sovereignty over a slice of the Antarctic. After all its ours, not yours & we were here before you.
    Because of the goodness of our hearts we'll probably share the land and resources with Chile, but l can't see your country getting any. You moan too much!

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ Tim

    Be prepared because the world is going to be like this.

    Young people are not afraid of anything (police, militaries, politicians, etc) they are smarter than the previous sheep generations and slowly their are imposing they concept of order..

    Its bad? Well its a matter of points of view, for me when police, militaries and politicians are afraid of the people reaction its good. If they want to survive they have to please the people first instead of corrupts bankers, coffers, businessmen, foreigners, etc. like still happen in UK.

    Or you are happy to be ruined impoverished unemployed because bankers in UK has the influence to be bailout from the mess the have done. Nothing have changed for them they are even richer and the bill will be paid for the poor stoic indoctrinated Brits who is getting poor and poor.

    I would be smashing banks if I would be you while kicking some Bobbies to show who they have to be afraid of.

    But you Brits live afraid of everything put your head down and accept your destiny. Are you not tired to be always the same puppet of your Bitch Queen and your stupid politicians?

    Policemen cornered by students while practicing shooting the canard haha is not amazing!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZBWET5BuU

    Minister of education cornered in his office while pissed off student demand and answer
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZBWET5BuU

    To be policemen on these days, it is not what used to be in Galtierie’s times. They have a lot of chances to be kicked every day. Haha

    Try at home you will get a lot of fun.

    And for the meat who cares eat rice instead, Japanese do every day and don’t complain, Italian eat pasta and they say is the best food in the world. You eat fish &chips and kebabs and according with Zethee UK has the better restaurants in the world.

    Its all psychological I think you can be happy even eating grass ask the closest cow in your neighborhood.

    She will recommend you to east grass instead of meat believe haha

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “You eat fish &chips and kebabs and according with Zethee UK has the better restaurants in the world.”

    I really do dispise talking to such an idiot but you always seem to drag my name into it. I said the UK has the third highest ammount of michelin stars in the world, And this is true. The UK also has some of the top rated chiefs in the world. Ramsay is third i believe.

    What i said is the UK has some of the best restaurants in the world, and i was not incorrect.

    Tim: Get out while you can, this man is an idiot and it is contagious.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 02:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Wow Nick Griffin is on form :) 6 videos showing about half a dozen police men out of how many in the UK eeeeer 80,000? thats like 0.00000006% of the total police force being knob heads?

    Quite a reflection eh? So what about the Argie Federal police, oh wait according to your own Foreign Minister they use torture and are trained by the Yanks ooops that might get your noggin buzzing all night :) Or about the Riots in the slums last year after a suspect “hanged” himself after only being detained for one hour lol.

    Nice one Griffin Junior, maybe if we find two more videos, you can prove that more than 8 Police men might be bad eggs hahaha :) Go on Griffin Junior surprise me :)

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Insulting, insulting well seems its the British way on these days.

    Once a wealthy country with some level of culture now turned into the 3er world nation with people that can only express themselves with insults.

    I’ve never realized that poverty, despair and hopeless for a better future can make people fall so down.

    Poor Brits I hope that together with fellows PIGS can find some spiritual consolation that will help them to pass the harder times coming ahead.

    Don’t worry fellows I will pride for you every night hoping you pain will be the less as possible.

    I also think that we Argies that we always have been so generous with them bailing out their debt and providing food when during in WWII were starving, etc. We have the obligation to go to rescue them again, these poor souls are not to blame. These is the result of corrupts govt. bad politicians drug abuse and luck of education.

    Its come to my mind that we can create a charity NGO style to make donations.

    What do you think a good slogan could be to catch Argentinean compassion something like... let me think...

    Gotcha !Help fellow Mohammed donate here!.

    Any idea? Come on creativity is needed here.

    www.ukmohammed.org do you think is already taken? I will check it out.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Insulting, insulting well seems its the British way on these days.”

    Funny how someone can say this, then type 10 paragraphs of insults.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Dear Zethee

    Without entering into a low class debate (I mean insulting) what I can assure you that its not my style at all. I wouldn’t like to miss this opportunity (as you have referred to my person If I’m not wrong, otherwise please forgive me for my mistake) to point you out that I’m not insulting you in any way.

    Don’t take it personally please.

    I’m just describing facts (well known in the world) that unfortunately are happening in your nation since 30 years ago or may be more.

    You have to understand that nations some time rise to the top and then decline and may be they can rise again or may be not, this have been proven to be true in history. Great civilizations have fallen like Mesopotamia (you know this place better know as Iraq that you recently use to bomb a lot) Greece (that you like to call a PIG county), China, Egypt, the Roman Empire, etc.

    As the well known American scientist, politician an economist Lyon Larouche use to say we will receive from other nations in the world the same treatment we have given to them. Well you can imagine what would be the treatment will receive America when she hits the bottom.

    Well I’m just describing the falling of your nation in a very British Style.

    I hope you don’t think there is something wrong with that? Do you?

    I’m being very nice and kind believe me, I hope that the Chinese, Iraqi, Afghani, Africans, Muslim, etc. will be at least 10% of nice and kind with your nation when you hit the bottom as I’m being now.

    After all we Argies always saw your little nation as a funny thing with some arrogant in it, but nothing of what we cannot take care of.

    By the way welcome and congratulation to the club of the falling nations.

    Hoping to see you soon in default time and also hoping to have a lot to still to laugh of... Please don’t ever change the world still need you to keep its sense of humor.

    Yours sincerely,

    Nico

    : )

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Insulting, insulting well seems its the British way on these days.”

    Funny how someone can type this then, claim again that he's not insulting anyone. And then type 10 more paragraphs intended to insult someone.

    I find it quite amusing really.

    Apr 05th, 2011 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    58 lsolde,

    “Because of the goodness of our hearts we'll probably share the land and resources with Chile”

    That's funny, last time I checked Argentina and Chile united against you on the Antarctic sovereignty issue.

    “Argentina and Chile have joined together and rejected British claims over Antarctic territory and the seabed.” http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Antarctic-Territory-Claims-Argentina-And-Chile-Join-Forces-Against-British-Claim-On-Region/Article/200903115236672

    “Chile and Argentina's territorial rights claims came in response to a U.K. bid submitted to the U.N. in October 2007 for sovereignty over more than one million square kilometers of seabed off Antarctica.” http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Antarctic-Territory-Claims-Argentina-And-Chile-Join-Forces-Against-British-Claim-On-Region/Article/200903115236672

    Let me guess, you were “tired” when you posted the comment on 58… senile dementia getting the best you, lsolde. ;-)

    “Self-determination” …just smoke and mirrors to make you forget the size of Argentine sovereign territory the UK claims in the South Atlantic, 5 million km². (including Antarctica)

    We may share Antarctica with Chile, but not with you.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “Self-determination”

    Has nothing to do with Antartica. No one has or can claim it does.

    “That's funny, last time I checked Argentina and Chile united against you on the Antarctic sovereignty issue. ”

    Thats funny last time i checked every other nation with territory down there was against you and Chile and supported the British claim.

    Apr 06th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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