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Argentina promotes meat production with subsidized loans
Argentina plans to extend the equivalent of 750 million US dollars in subsidized loans to meat producers to spur increased production of beef, chicken and pork. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThere was a little slow down in the farming industry, but with elections coming up it's time farmers get the money they need to get back on track, you have to love this woman, my hats off to the Argentine president, now I hope she sends the IMF back to new york on the same plane and on the same hour they arrive to Argentina.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0To Mr. Pheel Brangus
Apr 09th, 2011 - 05:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would like to hear your opinion about this credit line.
Would you use it?
And about “Feedlot”
Do you use it?
Regards
El Think
“Historically Argentina has had a herd in the range of 55 to 58 million head of prime British breed cattle”
Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0British beeves? how can you all bear it?
;-)
2 Think (#) I am now out of the business, but yes I would use the credit. The depletion of the herds is going to take 5 years to recover, and high time this govt reversed the damage they have caused. The severe drought wasn't the main cause in the drop of herds, it was political mismanagement and maximum price fixing. Brangus are good cattle but give me Braford, way more docile to handle.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for feed-lots, no I don't like them + the beef causes higher cholesterol in humans due to the maize in the feed, and supermarkets aren't yet obliged to indicate the origin of the beef which they should.
http://cholesterolcliniconline.com/inhumane-feed-lot-beef-vs-humane-grass-fed-beef/
(4) Tim
Apr 09th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Finally some concomitant points of view between us!
Imho, Feedlot ought to be banned as Argentinean beef should be synonymous with “Grass Fed Beef”.
Have a nice weekend
El Think
I remember predicting a year or two back on Mercopress that S.A. would go down the feed-lot route, but I predicted it would happen under outside encouragement to feed a starving world - and not just yet.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Feedlots allow competition with USA production, but demand just-in-time management of animal feedstuffs. Can Argentina manage its animal feed supply systems with the necessary precision?
Rhetorical.
(6) Geoff
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Feed a starving world”.......with prime beef fed with prime maize?
Are you smoking your aquired daughters skunk man?
Get real!
Good memory, old friend - or do you keep notes?
Apr 09th, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
North American livestock land ain't so different from South American livestock land - and they opted for intensive over extensive. You might change if the times, the needs, and the incentives change. Your nutrient needs remain the same but your means to that end may be different to the US.
Apreziado Think,
Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don´t like feedlots. For unhealthy product, animal welfare, contamination, concentrated capitalism and because the Ks made it a matter of capitalism-only-for-government-friends.
The four first causes are philosophical and thought, the latter just emotional.
There are producing processes as effective as feedlot, and without most of that vices.We can compete with healthy, walking and grazing animals.We did in the Moreno`s peak of agresiveness and subsidies for friends`feedlots.
BTW: The concept of Total Cost (from a national point of view) should be used on the feedlot issue, as many of the costs embedded in feedlot problems are not taken in account . As I put it: health, contamination, short-term sighting, concentration in very few hands.
I would take loans to expand my farm, to process its products, for commercial improvement, for internal administration.
Don´t know if this announcements are real or the usual electoral bla bla bla.
Don´t know which risks the Ks are reserving for us if they win.
Eager for improvement, Argentina could produce a lot more and in healthy ways if we abandon Morenitos way.
Uruguay grew in internal consumption at the same time they export all what they could. Mujica designed and implemented that succcess.
Probably, less income sectors must receive subsidies but surely it could be enough meat for them in Argentina. Not everything is “lomo”.
Popular taste is different and complementary of Hilton quotes.
hi-quality pampas meat should be a wealthier market niche (including in USA) as feedlot meat has growing health concerns. 20 year of research on health impact at the INTA Balcarce research station shows very different cholesterol levels between eating pasture grazing meat and feedlot meat.
5 Think (#) & 9 Pheel (#). I think you will find that most feed lots a run by “pools” and not proper farmers, and I don't consider Grobopatel to be proper farmers. Argentina has always been famous for its range grown beef and so it should remain. “Pools” and Grobopatel do not take matters of human health into consideration.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(9) Mi nunca bien ponderado Pheel………………..
Apr 09th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Instructive and to the point as usual; always an absolute pleasure to correspond with you.
Remarkable how three “intensely politically divergent” individuals as you, Mr. Tim, and I can agree so strongly about the Livestock business.
Not so much left to say though…………………
Sincerely hoping that Cristina’s next period will be a better and less confrontational one between us Argentineans …….
Un Cordial saludo
El Think
Think and Tim:
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I answered @Think 2 without finishing to read the thread, later I regret for not realize that Tim has put it before, shorter and clearer.
Agree with Tim about Braford! That is my breed.
Just Think thought that was Brangus...let´s forgive a thoughtful thinker!
Same hopes for the coming government and for our Argentina.
Abrazo
12 Pheel (#) Where are you running your herd???? I move in the area of Los Conquistadores in ER and Virasoro in Ctes.
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- totally with you this time! Sopme of the best beef I have ever tasted has been pampas grazed and reared. Leave the cheap bulk supermarket stuff for the world to USA and others to mass produce - Arg should concentrate on the world class natural quality pastures it has - there will always be a premium market for beef that tastes like - beef!
Apr 09th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some of the most sensible comments I have ever seen on this comment line. Especially by 9 Pheel (#).
Apr 09th, 2011 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(12) Pheel
Apr 10th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry about the Brangus / Braford mixup.
I’m a born “Porteño” after all :-(
Don’t know much about breeds but my personal favorite is the Salers.
Excellent meat!
Angus (Scotland), Hereford (England) - best beef in the world.
Apr 10th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fattened on British grass.
Slow grown, well butchered, hung to mature.
Big rib joints, slowly roasted, onion gravy, Yorkshire Puddings, roast potatoes fried in goose fat & finished in the roast beef pan while the beef joint rests.
Big, thick slices . . . . .
13 Tim,
Apr 10th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the Pehuajó area, colleague.
This is a mixed area between humid and dry climate, and only half the land has aptitude for agriculture. So, we have swamps and “cañadones” for planting agropirum and grama rhodes, a bit of festucae sp and clovers. Traditionally, some alfalfa for long-fiber hay. We harvest, process and sell many of the grasses seeds. We also mix corn and sorghum sileage of the whole plant for feeding calves with corn as grain but always on pasture grazing. No hormones. Everything as hi-quality-USA grazing meat standards. Looking for a better future.
Braford cows perform here better than Angus ones, as they are more effective processing hard grasses.
Regards.
@17
Apr 11th, 2011 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agree with almost all of that but I prefer lots of thin slices of roast beef, thick steaks OTOH...
Pheel,
Apr 11th, 2011 - 12:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0useful information, thanks
18 Pheel (#). Do you know Bridger in Pehajo?? We had a large property between La Colina and Huangelen not too far from you.
Apr 11th, 2011 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On the Beef gents - I have not seen one Argentine feedlot that uses hormones to gain growth - hope this becomes law - have seen high production experimentalsystems at Inta in Cordoba - 250 cattle on 50ha Alfalfa etc and in Brazil - 1000 cattle under central pivot Alfalfa. Grassfed is always preferred and breeds like Angus, Hereford, Irish Blacks, Bonsmara and Wagyu produce by far the best beef. However there are intensive systems that maintain beef quality/lower Cholestrol high Omega 6 etc non - maize feed regimes.The future requires more efficient production.Depending on the environment Bos Indicus X British might work for production purposes and hardiness but meat quality is compromised - scientifically proven. There are other hardy breeds that also provides good quality beef. Like Brazils Montana, Salers ( El Thinko thougt you hated the Farmers) Nice topic for a change
Apr 11th, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jupppppp........................ Nice topic indeed, free of all that negativism. (If you aren’t a cow, of course)
Apr 11th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly, I want to say that I don’t hate farmers………….. But I take no bull**** from no Estanciero………….. I know them from the inside……… ;-)
Secondly, there is a good reason why most of the great French Chefs prefer Salers meat..... Somewhat superior than the old British races.
Thirdly…. Mr Tim;……… Could that Pehuajó Bridger be in any way related to Nancy and Geoff Bridger from Cordoba?
@23
Apr 11th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I prefer Falkland Islands beef, free range on a tussac island, shot, drawn and skinned on the spot then 4 weeks or so on the palenque, you can't beat it. None of this fancy, hormone injected, intensively reared stuff that's done on the continent. You should try it one day Think.
:-)
Typical Gran Malvina Farmer……
Apr 11th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here we are, normal people from three continents, peacefully chatting about normal meat.
And there he comes, .......bashing in with all his Ray Mears’s Extreme survival Gourmet stuff :-)
PS:
You are comparing diamonds with glass……
That’s not Cricket.
Plenty of grass in Argentina Think, not tussac to be sure but there's no reason why Argentina shouldn't be able to produce some reasonable meat like we do....
Apr 11th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
23 Think (#). I would suspect they are related, Basil is in the grain trade in Pehuajó. There are a number of Bridgers here and I think they all have a common root, but will have to check.
Apr 12th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 018 Pheel (#) Interesting your comment on the Brangus and Braford; from what you say the Braford must have a higher percentage of Brahman to the Brangus (3/8 Brahman 5/8 Angus). The Indicus have a preference for coarser grasses and tougher teeth to take it.
22 Pedro (#) I enjoyed your input; up north we don't have much choice but to have Indicus blood in our herds; insects, heat and coarser grasses see to that, though there are new grasses being implated (Cetaria)
Tim why dont you buy some Montana Bulls - specially bread for hot humid, harsh conditions by Brazil for Brazil. I think you'll be surprised with both performance and meat quality. Scientifically bread like the Bonsmara by farmers for farmers.Hybrid vigour of thirteen breeds captured. Where I come from Braford and Simbra out perform Brangus. The Brangus breed is not hardy enough and too disease prone, which means more expensive management. However that is obviously debatable. What works for you works.Thinko - I'm not going to fight, your past comments on Argentine farmers were unfair - they contributed the most too Argentina's recovery. All I ask is recocnition and not demonisation. Oligargs - crap! Salers do produce good meat but to claim its better than British cattle is not quite true.Many factors plays a role.The French always chooses French remember? Argentine British genetics is world class - Argentina and Uruguay still claims the best general meat quality both in tenderness and taste. Japans Cobe beef from Wagyu cattle are however the undisputed champions and makes Salers meat look ordinary. Argentina/Uruguay's policy to slaughter at around 350 kg where the rest of the world slaughters at 450kg gives them the edge.
Apr 12th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(28) Dear Botwanean Wa-Beemer Gentleman……..
Apr 12th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have communicated before and things are “crystal clear” between us.
I have met people like you in five continents and It ALWAYS comes to the same:
Privatize Profits
Socialize Losses………………
Just when I thought we had a nice adult conversation going about a non-conflicting topic the scorpion does what it must do. El Thinko - communism failed the world over, when are you going to admit it? Since when did Argentina farmers in general privatize profits with the exorbitant retentiones and price controls. Where have you been the last couple of years? Only about 5% Farmers are Grobopatels, yet you still generalize? What about the 80% + that owns less than 300ha farmland and struggles? Who destroyed the beef industry and who now at election time socialize resurrection of the beef industry with subsidied loans?
Apr 12th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(30) Pedro
Apr 12th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You thought that we had a nice adult conversation???
By writing in post 28???:
”All I ask is recognition and not demonisation. Oligargs – crap”
I ask?
Who are you, my dear Botwanian visiting gentleman, to ask for ”Recognition” in Argentina???
Who are you, my dear Botwanian visiting gentleman, to call me ”Communist” an accusation that until the 80 easily could cost a person his life in Argentina?
Who are you, my dear Botwanian visiting gentleman, to ask me where I have been the last ”couple of years” and pretend to represent the small farmers of Argentina?
Think 29
Apr 13th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in the case of the article considered this “capitalismo for the amigos” with a speech nac&pop produced “profit for amigos” and “social and private losses”, the latters 90% of the universe of private firms (not the amigos).
Very fascist.
(32) Pheel
Apr 13th, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very facist and very “new oligarchy”, I totally agree…
The “capitalismo for the amigos” has to go;…. ............ Now!
As the previous system has to go too………….....… and never return.
We have to become a workable Country. Plenty of “functional” examples to follow around us.
Look not further than Uruguay, ruled by (horror of horrors!) a communist!
Is just that self-important Turnips like this “Pedro” guy make my piss boil.
Some time ago, he even accused me of being a British Supremacist and a Racist!
That says it all………………………..
? Emulate China, they seem to have a working model:
Apr 13th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Capitalism with a 'communist' face, or is it
'Communism' with a capitalist face?
But for God's sake, don't emulate :
Venezuela (Dictatorship with a communist face), or
Cuba (Communist with a communist face), or
Brasil (Coalition democracy with rampant institutionalised corruption).
Never quite sure where communism ends and fascism begins - they seem to meet where the circle joins.
And erstwhile Fascists and International Terrorists can mellow with the years to become a better option than some of the above.
One size doesn't fit all, we agree there
- but please tell me there is a better model for Argentina!
QUÉ ?
Apr 13th, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Makes your blood boil Thinko? Good - is that because you cant offer counter arguments or because you lack insight? Your very favourite K-lady has been called facist on a number of occasions. So decide what you wanna be communist or facist.The name-calling doesnt work on me - do what ever gets your rocks off. Mental masturbation suits you.
Apr 13th, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 Good post Pedro very interesting and informative. You obviously know your stuff.
Apr 14th, 2011 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How about this cat amongst the canaries
Apr 15th, 2011 - 10:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://d.yimg.com/nl/australia/site/player.swf?vid=24472661&repeat=0&browseCarouselUI=hide%22%3E
(38) Tim
Apr 16th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The use of this enzyme (thrombin) has been allowed in the EU since many years ago........... in cooked meats.
The news last year (2010) was that they wanted to allow its use on raw meats.
The EU ”expert group” and the meat industry were ready to adopt this ”wonderful” product….
But then, some subversive smelly communist environmental fascist bearded terrorists in home stricken sweaters and hemp canvas shoes campaigned against it on European Television.
Guess what happened?
39 Think (#) Thanks for your comment, had never heard of it till yesterday; from what you say it was banned by the EU. To the best of my knowledge it has never come to Argentina and would be spotted in two seconds with the highly discerning knowledge of beef by the Argentines.
Apr 16th, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think,
Apr 16th, 2011 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fibrimex [c] (Thrombin binder) is explicitly banned in raw and processed meat products by the European Parliament of the EU, whether it is for beef, pork, chicken or salmon (etc).
The thrombin is taken from cattle as a blood product, frequently as part of the abbatoir process, and this protein can bind fragile foodstuffs to make them more handleable in processing and at the table.
It is a totally natural protein - like prime muscle (beef steak, etc) and can be useful for novel foods eg bacon-wrapped salmon fillet, or for binding industrially extracted residual meats from the bone once the prime cuts have been butchered.
Food technology is a wonderful thing and it facilitates maximal use of animal and plant materials.
Most countries run whole undergraduate and postgraduate degrees in the subject.
Pretty reprehensible of the EU to ban the use of this most useful animal product.
41 GeoffWard (#). There seems to be a health problem related to “beef glue” if the steaks aren't well done, see the link I attached in 38
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