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Chilean Army clearing antitank and antipersonnel mine fields in Tierra del Fuego

Friday, April 22nd 2011 - 05:13 UTC
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The Chilean Army is currently clearing four fields planted with anti-personnel mines in Tierra del Fuego and will move to another four once the job is finalized, reported the Commander Gonzalo Echeverria, from the 5th Engineers Battalion seated in Punta Arenas. Read full article

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  • lsolde

    Who put them there & why?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    You Anglos love multiple choice so……......................................:

    1) The Spaniards, during the 19’th century Independence wars to stop San Martin’s Argentinean troops crossing the Andes to liberate Chile.

    2) The Chilean Military Dictatorship troops during the 1970’s to stop the Argentinean Military Dictatorship troops crossing the Andes to subjugate Chile.

    3) The democratically elected President of Chile Sr. Piñera to stop the Magallanes Region into seceding to Argentina under the 2010 gas conflict.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    haha....

    '1' seems a bit unlikely to me, I don't think Argentina had many tanks back then.
    '3' sounds a bit extreme...

    I'm gonna go with #2

    You did crash lsolde's hopes Think, he was hoping Argentina had put them there... why do you always do that? Just because they're Brits doesn't mean they don't have any feelings... even dogs have feelings.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @ 2 Good morning Mr Think!

    Can we talk about # 2 for a second ....since I like the subject so very much?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Only if you shave that ugly “Videla” bigote.............

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    jajajaja!!! #1 How do you know that I still have it? and # 2 I want his picture back in the CMN .... Can I continue?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Be happy there still is a CMN...................

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Good morning artillero... load up all your artillery rounds haha

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Tero and Tero1 blown into atoms by a GPS guided intelligent cruise missil..... over.

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    still field Artillery is conducted that way ....
    @8 Good Morning Bro ...
    @10 ..are we gonna talk to man to man or is going to be an opportunity to nail my political views in public ...?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    yes , that's a possibility but the principles of Field Artillery haven't change, Can I continue???

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Have a Mate while you reload artillero… I think we'll need air support though


    (_)

    Continue...

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Fascists don't have political wiews...
    They don't need political wiews...
    They know the truth...

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    I know your distaste for us BUT can I stick to the subject?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    And what would that “subject” be?

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    Come on Think ! what's wrong with you? # 2 on your list !!!!

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Ahhhhhhh......

    Not much to say really....
    You step on the bloody thing.......
    Your life's over........

    (If you are lucky you die)

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gotey

    it was just about time!
    what the hell are those mines doing there?
    Tourists could tread on one and... booooom! hell of a big issue there!

    Apr 22nd, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Now how about clearing the mines on the other side?

    Or was it considered that the movement would be one way only, making minefields unnecessary?

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 01:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    The mines were put there by Chile.

    Try to catch up.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Thank you Martin for your enlightening answers about the mines.
    Think didn't crash my hopes, l had no idea who placed the evil things & didn't “hope”that Argentina had placed them. l guess dogs do have feelings, but l don't think that you have too many.
    @25 Think, you are correct in saying“if you're lucky, you die” when you step on an AP mine. l have seen some horrific injuries of people who didn't die.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    I don't know if Argentina has mines on its side, and if we do I don't know who put them there.

    Does anyone know? This article says nothing about Argentina.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 08:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    No mines on the Argentinean side.
    Seems to be that the Argentine Armed Farces were not as “smart” as the Chilean Armed Farces in that front……

    Estimates I just found via Google say that the Chileans planted about 500.000 personal mines alongside the border, from Salta to the Picton, Lennox and Nueva Islands.

    About ~100 people have paid a high price for this “smartness”
    Even a Yank…..(not Frank).......They found his shredded mountaineering gear some years ago.
    The condors took the rest………….

    I have personally been through two areas of the Argentinean borders with unmarked and forgotten Chilean minefields
    The volcan Llullaillaco area and the western tip of the La Plata lake.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @35 ...Seems that the Argentine Armed Farces were not as “smart” as the Chilean Armed Farces in that front…… during Easter I promise not to fight with any human being regardless of his/her nationality. The mines are a defense tool , obviously Chile always assumed the Argentina was going to be the attacker and actually in 78, we were close .....very close. The tactical plans of the Units from the NW was always to let the chileans in because of the very narrow passages ......just FYI

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Well, makes you think twice about wondering too far off the established trails. 500.000 is a scary number.

    Apr 23rd, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    Well, smarts readers,...yes, that dangerous devices were palnted by the Chilean Armed Forces during the conflict on '78 because we were expecting the Argentine attack after you denied to accept the veredict from the agreed referee, HM the Queen from UK, qualifying it as “nulo, insablemente nulo” forgotten that it was not rejectable by the signed treties between both countries. Must be considered that Chile`s population is a third of the Argentina`s, so that devil`s weapons were valid under the war circumstances....
    BTW, Chile has kept his minefields signed and under maintenance and informed to the international Authorities and has been clearing them from several years ago as the Ottawa round asked to all countries that had them.
    Has Argentina recognized that it has some minefields, has kept them under control and has it started the clearence process??? Because, the mine are there next to the border inside the Argentine territory plante by you army as well you put them on the Falklands also...don`t fool us, you know !!! I have lived on the Patagonia from when I was born, so I konw all about that..and I was truckowner traveling through your territory on those days suffering the troubles that that enviroment meant for us the civilians from both sides .
    The difference is that we used to comply with our word and treaties, even when it means a lost....not like others!!!
    I hope never again we will be in the same situation for the good of both countries....and their people.

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    38,

    Sergio,
    You can argue about the mines on the Argentine side, if any, but what do you care about Malvinas? They have nothing to do with you.

    You call Malvinas “the Falklands” but you hope we'll never be in that situation again?

    Who are you angry with? The people of Argentina or the military dictatorship? Because if you're angry with the military dictatorship then we have something in common, you don't need to keep calling Malvinas “the Falklands”.

    And if you're angry with all of Argentina then I don't know what to tell you, because I really don't understand it.

    I'm not angry with Chile, certainly not with its people and not even with the government of the time. Chile did exactly what Argentina would have done in its place. It's time to put it behind us, it's your choice.

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Well…………… I have criss-crossed the Andes by feet, horse and 4WD quite a number of times; know the border area as good as the best baqueano but I have never encountered one minefield on the Argentinean side.

    Chile, on the other hand seems to be sown with that sh**, more than 30 years after our “near conflict”........
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/nirekin/5451288534/in/photostream/#/

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 07:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    but I have never encountered one minefield on the Argentinean side.

    Not yet,not yet:-)

    When the Kirchners are over, Argentina will be a “minefield not a country”

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/08/when-the-kirchners-are-over-argentina-will-be-a-minefield-not-a-country

    Apr 24th, 2011 - 03:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @38Sergio, lts good to see Chile clearing up the mines they planted.
    Now if we can just get the Argentines to clean up the mess that they left................

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 02:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    42,

    hmm, let me think about that...

    NOPE

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (42) Cher Isolde…………………………………….:

    Argentina has offered, several times, during the last 29 years to send demining teams and remove every single mine.

    The United Kingdom (and the Islands hardliners) have refused the offer every time.

    The minefields are still there in contravention of the Ottawa Demining Treaty that GB has signed.
    Not because they are difficult to remove, but because they are a magnificent propaganda tool to get sweet emotional Anglo She-eps to react as expected,…… without Thinking.

    I quote:
    ”While Britain welcomed a commitment from the previous Menem Government to pay for the clearance of the mines, it rejects any suggestion that this involves any compromise on the sovereignty claim. The De La Rua Government's official responsible for Falkland’s affairs, Susana Ruiz Cerruiti, is quoted as saying: “Argentina will pay whatever it costs to remove the mines planted by Argentine troops. Removal of British mines will be at British expense”.
    http://en.mercopress.com/2000/10/27/falklands-mine-clearance-talks-in-argentina

    I quote Monty69 earlier comment:
    ”11 Monty69 Feb 13th, 2011
    There is a very good reason why Argentina is not permitted to pay for the removal of mines in the Falkland Islands. The Ottawa Treaty requires states to remove the mines from their own territory. The Falkland Islands are not Argentine territory. I understand that Argentina was involved in the early stages of planning the demining, but their input was not required in the end……
    http://en.mercopress.com/2000/10/27/falklands-mine-clearance-talks-in-argentina

    I would also like to draw your attention to the following book:
    http://en.mercopress.com/2000/10/27/falklands-mine-clearance-talks-in-argentina

    Brainwash anybody?

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Argentina has offered, several times, during the last 29 years to send demining teams and remove every single mine.

    Seems the Brits are not alone, in being suspicious of ARGIE “concern”

    I make this argument by investigating the refusal of reparations by the very victims towards whom it is addressed, and explore the long-held and persistent repudiation of state reparation by the Madres de Plaza de Mayo, Argentina’s ‘mothers of the disappeared’

    http://www.whatsonatqueens.com/CurrentEvents/EventDetails/?cid=233298

    Refusing reparation:
    Social Suffering and Social Control in Argentina
    Dr Claire Moon

    http://www.whatsonatqueens.com/CurrentEvents/EventDetails/?cid=233298

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Just for the record……………
    Last couple of years MercoPress Articles about Malvinas Mines:

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/19/falklands-explosives-disposal-team-has-dealt-with-2.8-million-ordnance-items-in-29-years

    An average of one mine article every 50 days…………………………..
    Brainwash anybody?

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @46 Think, you have to a lot of effort Cher Think, to post all these articles. Am l picking up here that the Argentine removal of the mines (that they laid on our territory) are somehow linked to Argentine sovereignty over our land?
    lf it is not then we are wrong to refuse their help, but if IS linked to Argentine sovereignty then we acted correctly in refusing Argentine“assistance”.
    @40Think, nice photo,señor. ls that your shadow in the right foreground? Have we seen the sillouette of the mysterious agent Think?

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 09:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    No sweat …....................
    Just a quick “search, paste and copy” from Merco-Press’s excellent archive.
    Always happy to help the FIG(leaf) and charming Lisa W. in controlling that they are getting the services they are paying for :-)

    Not my shadow, I’m afraid.
    My sil”H”ouette would be taller, sleeker…………….. and darker ;-)

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Blood money anybody?

    The Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo have no illusions. They know that the large majority of their kidnapped children were tortured and murdered by the military during the dirty war. Nonetheless, they remain steadfast in refusing government offers of reparations for their children’s deaths. The Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo insist that they will not formally accept that any of their children are dead until the government comes forward with documentation to show what happened to them. This stance offers the only hope for seeing that justice is done with respect to what happened during the dirty war.

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    49,

    When incorrect, divert attention.

    Apr 25th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Think- the Br reason for declining Arg offers if genuinley made were probably based on International liability and reality. It is under the Ottowa Convention the country which has them,s job to clear them. UK is quite happy with this concept - after all they probably dont want to have to go to North Africa and clear their WW2 ones from Tunis to Cairo!! And lord knows where else.
    Also here- if they were actually cleared by Argentine mine clearers- do you actually have any other than military? - one thing for sure is that we folk here would simply not trust that the job had been done!
    Many of us are in no hurry to see them go - 1- it gives your side a few beaches less to land on next time you try.2 - its handy to point them out to tourists as evidence of what bastards Argentina is. 3- in some areas they are good at protecting birdlife and rare plants!

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    “Now if we can just get the Argentines to clean up the mess that they left”

    Now they're in no hurry to see them go...

    haha

    “its handy to point them out to tourists as evidence of what bastards Argentina is”

    “in some areas they are good at protecting birdlife and rare plants!”

    They can't see the mines themselves stupid, only the signs. You're lying about everything else already you might as well leave the signs where they are when you're done clearing the mines.

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @48 Think, you are correct, l mis-spelled silhouette. l also left the word“gone”out of the first sentence. l must be finally getting old.
    @51 lslander,never thought of it like that. Maybe the mines are better off staying in place!

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    No wonder they call you Bennies.

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Islander1, “Many of us are in no hurry to see them go”
    Of course! that's not your land nor the islands belong to UK so you don't care.

    “ its handy to point them out to tourists as evidence of what bastards Argentina is”
    Don't worry, tourists know very well who the Brits really are.

    “Al-Qaida assassin 'worked for MI6'”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-al-qaida-assassin-worked-for-mi6

    “Guantánamo Bay files: detained cleric was working with British officials”

    American forces believed Mullah Haji Rohullah Wakil was running drugs and plotting to destabilise the Afghan government

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/25/guantanamo-files-al-qaida-assassin-worked-for-mi6

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Nah... they'll clear them, let them do it themselves, saves us the trouble.

    Stupids......

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Well at least I hope this thread will help some of the “Turnip Brutish commentators” to understand how things really work in them Islands!

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Nah... they'll clear them, let them do it themselves, saves us the trouble

    Thats it, the Argie can do approach

    Apr 26th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gotey

    Argentina remained NEUTRAL in both World Wars I and II, despite great pressure from both sides to do otherwise. The only modern war Argentina had the disgrace to take part in was Malvinas in 1982 against the UK. And this war would not have happened IF the damned drunk Argentine governing Military Dictators had drunk less for at least 3 days before April 2nd!!!!!!

    Apr 27th, 2011 - 02:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @59 Gotey, you blame the military junta now my friend but the junta had the full backing of the Argentine population when they invaded our lslands in 1982. Why you were dancing in the streets. lts even possible if you had won the war that the junta would still be in power.

    Apr 27th, 2011 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    “Argentina remained NEUTRAL in both World Wars I and II”

    That's not strictly true. Argentina joined the Allies and declared war on the Axis in March 1945, when the war was practically over and the wind was well and truly blowing in the Allies' favour. Of course Argentina then went on to be a haven for many Nazis. Another example of Argie doublethink.

    Oh and don't play the victim card re your Junta too much, I was in Argentina on the 2nd April 1982 and I remember the crowds out on the streets in jubilation, the cars hooting etc. And on top of that I don't remember most of the population rising up against the Junta - just a brave minority. Most Argentines were complicit, even by just doing nothing.

    Apr 27th, 2011 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    You couldnt find a Nazi for love nor money after Germany was defeated

    http://www.argentina-rree.com/protagon/bbc.htm

    It is very easy to understand how an indoctrinated population can believe that the highest form of patriotism is to invade those islands, even though those who invade them are the perpetrators of inhuman crimes against their own countrymen. The military junta would never
    have done what it did if it had not counted on the fact that this was going to generate popularity for the dictatorship. And that is precisely why, for decades, the possibility of invading the Falklands has been on the agenda of different Argentinian governments. They contemplated the idea and rejected it many times until 1982. Then they contemplated it and went ahead.

    Apr 27th, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Martin 52 - why is that every time you put your fingers on a keyboard your arse falls out of your mouth?
    Of course wildlife and plants cannot read minefiald signs! But HUMANS can!!! Therefore they keep out and after 29 years you have a lot of wildlife and plantlife making the most of these human“no-go” areas.
    Not sure if it works in your country, but its similar to army training areas in UK - where the general public likewise cannot go - many of them are now safe havens to many rare wildlife species.
    So I am always a liar - please quote where I have lied please?
    I

    Apr 27th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    63 Islander1,

    You are all liars, your whole wretched, thieving culture is built on lies and deceit.

    And... you're stupid.

    “Of course wildlife and plants cannot read minefiald signs! But HUMANS can!”

    That's why I said keep the signs, get rid of the mines... “you might as well leave the signs where they are when you're done clearing the mines”.

    Jesus.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 04:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @64
    hark at her :-)

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @65, Martin_Fierro is not smart enough to be female.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Gang,
    give Martin a bit of slack.
    He may see life through different eyes, but without him Mercopress would be a boring place and people would drift away.
    We, and Mercopress, need him.
    Indeed - he might be Mercopress itself !!????

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • artillero601

    @67 Thanks Geoff to the kind words for my countryman ..... and it's true what you said. believe or not , we may agree o disagree on some issues (or may be all of them!!!!) but somehow everybody enjoys the comments and debates posted here ....

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Martin- still waiting for you to come up with some background on all these lies and deceit and our alleged theiving culture you prattle on about? Or perhaps you will quietly drop them?

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Calm down Islander1 it's not my fault you're stupid.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    Well, the article told about the Chilean Army doing the work that it´s supposed they must do....clear the minefields planted because the treaten from Argentine Gvt of those times. That´s the important thing here.
    On the other hand, I haven´t problem with the regular Argentines, the one´s that fight every day to keep their famailies living a normal life but we, the Chileans, have been from the earlies day of our independence from Spain suffering the ambitious of Argentines “caudillos” whom have pretended to take our territory with special success up to 1978 when our Gvt. decided to confront them and fight for our territory if necessary. Every time that our neighbor's Gvt. has been in political troubles, it has diverted the focus on us with artificial conflicts by “specials” interpretations of the signed treaties or just by don´t recognize them (1978). I understand that you, the people, have been grew up learning your side of the picture so it will be very dificult to understand pur point of view or the other side of the picture.
    Related to de Islands, the only one flag that I ever saw blowing in the wind there it´s the Falklands Islands flag so far. If, under law reasons, it change to an Argentine flag blowing there well it will mean that them will be called Malvinas from then on....no other reasons.
    And about the minefields on F.I., well they were planted for your army in an foreing territory. Our minefields were planted in our own territory as a defence method....very different.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Sergio, there's a always a flip-side to the coin, I could talk shit about Chile all day long if I wanted to. But you know what? It's 2011, let it go...

    You have issues of your own, that much is clear.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    But you know what? It's 2011, let it go

    1833 :-)

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    You know what? We don't have disputes over land with Chile.

    We do with the UK. ;-)

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Sorry Martin - its you who is looking stupid unless you can come up with some factual statements to back up your allegations- not fantasy ones.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Martin is a bit grumpy,must of had a hard day at the orifice

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    75,

    Back up what? That Argentina has no disputes over land with Chile?
    Or that the UK has maintain a constant expansionist approach by creating unilaterally, false loop-holes within pre established laws... like your fake “self-determination”, a total lie since you are all British citizens and you're not claiming any sort of “independence”.

    Face it Islander1, you're just pissed because you couldn't grasp what I said about the mines and the signs, too much of a stretch for your little wormy brain.

    Apr 28th, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Martin - you are the one who is making wild statements not me- you are the one who is out of place. in 77 you show it - you have self determination - you express it by wishing to remain Argentine in Argentina - just because you wish to stay much the same as you have been does not remove that right from you any more than it does from us.
    All peope are entitled to it in democracies which we both are.

    Apr 29th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Martin_Fierro

    Wild statements?

    The only WILD statements come from you Brits...

    Like the statements I've been reading about Kosovo and its case of self-determination. Quite different since Kosovo was not looking to maintain its allegiance with Serbia, on the contrary. And it was a case backed by the US and most of Europe but not by the UN.

    No one is telling you that you cannot be British, no one is telling you what you can or cannot be. I live in the US and I get a lot of criticism for it, so what? I know what I am. You want to be British? So be British, Argentina does not have a policy of annulment laws for Argentines who have dual citizenship, or foreign citizens who have acquired Argentine citizenship.

    And how exactly are you so much better off under British rule, or your “FIG” or whatever you want to call it? You're better off because you're isolated? Because you have no business with Argentina? You seriously believe that's beneficial for your community... I doubt it.

    You think we'll suddenly repopulate Malvinas and change your way of life? Trust me if we all liked rocks and shitty weather we'd just as easily populate Patagonia. And we have Penguins on the mainland too.

    Apr 29th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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