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Montevideo, September 22nd 2023 - 04:19 UTC
The next Royal Navy Ice patrol vessel is expected this week in Portsmouth where she will be taking over the navy’s Antarctic mission in November following the accident suffered by HMS Endurance in 2008. Read full article
Cunningly disguised Norwegian ship
There is a superficial resemblance, must be a conspiracy. And those Norwegians send us a Christmas Tree every year, so they're clearly in on the conspiracy. And the flags have vaguely similar colour and layout. Guess that is conclusive.
Will she pop into argentina for ,, tea perhaps lol
You already posted this Mercopress, it's just a support vessel, not an icebreaker... and no helicopter hanger.
Do we really need to go ever this again? Come on...
And there is no British antarctic commitment... aside from planting flags around that's about it.
Norwegian christmas trees next for the Falklands.
Funny the last time Mercopress posted an article on the overhaul of the Argentine Alt Irizar icebreaker was on January 19th 2010.
Instead they just post the same British crap over and over... a research ship that isn't even fit to mount rescue operations... NO HELICOPTER HANGER.
But what do the Brits care? They're not there to help anyone... not even themselves apparently. ;-)
But what do the Brits care? They're not there to help anyone... not even themselves apparently. ;-)
Wonder how much the Argies give?
Just maintaining our claim then :-)
I didn't know that having a ship with a helicopter hanger was a requirement to beef up a sovereignty claim :)
I guess Argentina can add that argument to their ever lengthening list of why staking a claim to Antarctica close to half a century after the UK ratified and issued letters of patent for its own claim gives them more rights :)
I can imagine the conversation now.
”We in Argentina, have irrevocable sovereignty on Antarctica which is an integral part of the glorious peronist motherland! For these two reasons:
1. in 19o4 we brought a wooden hut of a Scottish explorer, on Laurie island, this eeeer...ummm, meant that 13,000km2 of Antarctica immediately became an integral part of the motherland!
2. The EEEnglish pirates have a ship which doesn't have a helicopter hanger....this eeer means that ummmm...their helicopters unlike ours can't ummm eeer keep warm at night....which is of course a requirement to have gloroious sovereignty over Antarctica (runs from the room)
LOL donors? I'm talking about Antarctic operations, capabilities, Search & Rescue and you divert attention with that crap?
I didn't know that having a ship with a helicopter hanger was a requirement to beef up a sovereignty claim
No it's not, and there is nothing to beef up, you've got nothing, not even a claim worth mentioning.
By the way, many of you claim that a hangar will be added to the landing pad of the HMS Protector. Where exactly is this hangar going to be? Are you removing the COM tower? ;-)
Maybe you'll just throw a tarp over your helicopter... (one) ...the might of the ROYAL NAVY.
”Where exactly is this hangar going to be? Are you removing the COM tower? ;-)”
The flight deck is nolonger in the same position as it shows in this article.
There has been talk of two options, moving the pad fruther back and adding a make shift hangar there or having the hangar in the middle of the ship and using the crane to move it there(not ideal).
Martian, you mentioned caring, and made a grand assumption that Britain doesn't care; Sticky just put you straight about that, indeed a little extra research at the OECD suggests that only 23 countries 'care', Argentina not being on that list, so no surprise there then, as you all apparently think caring is 'crap'.
Not worth mentioning in your homeland perhaps, since you're likely to be in one of two camps; an indoctrinated malvinist, or someone trying to live the quiet life and not wishing to deal with the indoctrinated malvinists. However, the majority of the rest of the World (the parts that matter), thinks differently.
I suspect for operational safety reasons, having a landing pad above the bridge might prove catastrophic for command and control of the ship should a helicopter crash; it would seem eminently more sensible to construct such a landing pad at the stern of the ship, away from the bridge. Lets face it, if your second-rate Navy can modify a Type 42 to add a landing pad for two helicopters, it shouldn't be beyond the capabilities of a much more advanced military, such as the Royal Navy, to do a similar job, should it?
I suspect that most aircraft in the Argentine military are covered in tarpaulin, since you can't afford to fly them, and if you could, you don't have sufficient people qualified to do so, due to the same reasons.
I suspect that laughing at your own situation is quite a habit that develops in Argentina, as means of coping with the way things are. If you're an indoctrinated malvinist, the laughter is probably manic, since you've been mentally abused since birth.
I actually feel sorry for you.
@ 10 Sorry Martin No it's not, and there is nothing to “beef up”, you've got nothing, not even a claim worth mentioning.
YOU might not think it's worth mentioning but NO-ONE cares about your opinion. You are just an ignorant, misguided, brainwashed, rebel Spanish colonist with delusions. I could have said delusions of grandeur, but that would be too much. How about delusions of mediocrity. Little bit of REAL history (not the indoctrinational stuff you get in Argentina) for you.
Territorial claims in Antarctica:
1908 United Kingdom, 1923 New Zealand, 1924 France, 1929 Norway, 1933 Australia, 1939 Norway (again), 1940 Chile, 1943 Argentina.
Oh look. Argentina's last again. Isn't it time you stopped rewriting history and tried living in the real world? Remind us. How many times did you sink HMS Invincible during 1982? Six times, wasn't it? But of course the vast British industrial capacity was able to build five new carriers (and their aircraft), provide replacement crews and get them down to the Falkland Islands within days.
Does it ever occur to you that your government, and the media it controls, is economical with the truth? Much as it is economical with the truth about your country's economy.
Never mind, Martin. When the earth-shattering truth eventually breaks over you, it will probably cause a heart attack. Bye Martin
You've got nothing, not even a claim worth mentioning
-Really? so a claim in writing sent to every govt, by a sovereign act of parliament......40 years before Argentina suddenly realised that Antarctica was integral part of the glorious republic....and a willingness shown in the 1950s and 1960s to take your claims to the ICJ (when you naturally suffered cold feet) counts for nothing?
....Tell me more about this alternative dimension you inhabit.
Argentina's sovereignty over our Antarctic sector is a GIVEN, shove your bullshit European bureaucracy up your ass... you're not even supposed to be there. We live there, we were there first, we have more bases than anyone, we mount the only real Search & Rescue seasonal operation... AND we're only a few hundred miles away.
You're stupid, all of you.
And as far as this cute barge of yours... I'll be fair, I'll wait 'till the new and improved barge comes out. Then I'll tell you what I think.
Martin Angry....MARTIN DEMAND RAGE!
Sovereignty over our Antarctic sector is a GIVEN
-Smirk smirk, doesn't your claim overlap with Chiles and ours and an unofficial one by Brazil, and the latter 3 don't even recognise your claim :)
bullshit European bureaucracy
-Would this be the same Bullshit European Bureaucracy model that Argentina's federal, presidential and legal system is based upon :)
You're not even supposed to be there
-Yet here we are hahah :)
We live there, we were there first
-guffaw 165 at tops, but according to you the Falklander islanders numbers don't matter, so by your logic 165 implanted seasonal Argentines is no basis for sovereignty:), and if you were there first, why the delay of several decades in suddenly realising you had sovereignty smirky smirkty or even the full century before you put it into your constitution XD.
We have more bases than anyone
-Yup and I have more trees in my garden than next door, guess I own his garden and next door then :)
we mount the only real Search & Rescue seasonal operation
-I think its pretty hard to mount a fake one lol :)
we're only a few hundred miles away
-As are the Falklands :)
I've heard of Rage against the machine.....but not obviously in a physical sense against a computer :)
... Argentina's sovereignty over our Antarctic sector is a GIVEN ...
Thanks, Marian ... second laugh of the day ! Now a question ... you have bases, we send a ship ... why ?
l don't think Argentina even has sovereignty over Argentina. Lets annex(or give them to Chile) their southernmost provinces then they will be even further from Antarctica.With a bit of luck they might try toclaimBrazil, then get flattened for their pains!
a GIVEN indeed!
Aye, who GAVE it to Argentina?....God?...or was it the Pope?
.Argentina, with a great leader waiting to divide it into little provinces
I've just seen the Rn press article on this although she won't carry regular helicopters the boat will instead carry a flotilla of seven boats including one rescue craft. Also later on the boat is expected to be equipped with landing craft to help re supply the Britist Antarctic survey stations. http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-events/new_ice_patrol_ship_.htm
Useless ship then, Hope we only have her for three years.
@04 -there is no “British antarctic commitment”... aside from planting flags around that's about it.
Martin, you couldn't be more wrong.
I worked for British Antarctic Survey for 12 years - I spent 6 years in the Antarctic. I worked at all the British bases, I visited Argentine bases (Marambio, San Martin). The contrast was clear - the British bases were well-funded, well maintained, and staffed with scientists and support staff who had a clear commitment to serious scientific research, over vast areas of the continent, continuing a tradition going back to the beginning of the 20th Century. Flag-planting did not feature highly in the research programme.
The Argentine bases, in comparison, were run-down, underfunded, staffed by military personnel who appeared to have little interest in being there, with a very low scientific output, very little in the way of deep-field science, and a clear emphasis on territorial claim and flag-waving.
The bases of course are not supposed to have a military purpose, although military personnel are allowed. Argentina is not conducting serious research ... just trying to convince its people that they really own a chunk of the Antartic !
We are not convinced !!
Snicker if you want a bit on inside intelligence relating to Argentinas search and rescue which Martin talks about so much.
Argentina as recently 5 years ago deployed 3 highly modified versions of her main battle tanks the TAM to Antarctica to test their ability to operate out there....
Quite a highly unorthodox SAR operation :)
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