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Claims of stolen babies: DNA tests for adopted heirs of Argentine media group
An Argentine court ruled this week that the adopted children of one of the country’s largest media group must submit to DNA tests to determine if they were stolen as babies during Argentina's military dictatorship. Read full article
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Jun 03rd, 2011 - 11:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another chance for the bloggers to get at each other’s throat,
The conflict is now in the courts. The Kirchner administrations accuse the Clarin group to have played to the tune of the military dictatorship.
If justice is served, then justice will be done, and time will then move on.
@ 1 briton, don't get confused, don't think that because I believe that the islands belong to the people living there my comments mean something lol, no, no one is getting at each other's throat, sorry to burst your bubble. I know that to my countrymen my comments mean nothing, so don't feel like you're winning something or that my comments are offensive to them lol, they answer me just because they want to not because my comments are important :) and sadly this is just a website, nothing important will happen in here, in real life, I'm afraid that finally the islands will be back in the hands of Argentina, if you walk away from your xenophobia you'll see that these governments of South America are finally conquering a place which historically only was occupied by countries like the UK and the USA. The fact that I don't like this government means nothing, nobody really cares what we say in these forums :) so shhhh and stop masturbating at the idea that you win something :) you are a loser too :) and if you want to know, my real feeling about the people living on the islands is only one, I hope they all die victims of a Tsunami or an earthquake, which makes me sick is this stupid discussion posting links posting more links and more links, which mean nothing. Do you understand now? If those stupid islands disappear and those people disappear there will be no problem anymore :) Like I told you, if you take a look at what these governments are achieving you'll see that one day those islands will be controlled by the Argentine government, and unfortunately, this will happen soonner than expected. Good luck, because even if I think that's disgusting, I will visit the islands just to poop there on your graves :)
Jun 04th, 2011 - 01:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0So disappear then ExBrain! I thought Argentina was good at making things disappear - facts, people, honour, etc!
Jun 04th, 2011 - 05:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The islander's will be enjoying their land long after Argentina has imploded :-)
As for the article, I didn't know that people could be compelled to give DNA samples if they hadn't been convicted of some crime.
Redhoyt said:
Jun 04th, 2011 - 06:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I didn't know that people could be compelled to give DNA samples if they hadn't been convicted of some crime.”
Think says:
Well............................ Now you know.
Not a breach of their human rights then ?
Jun 04th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
I can see this is a pressure campaign against the owners etc of Clarin media group, to divide it and conquer it, because of criticism in the press of the CFK governance. This much is obvious.
Jun 04th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I find the *substance* of the campaign very opaque.
Why should the owners of newspapers adopt babies, stolen or otherwise?
Are Argentinean media magnates particularly prone to adoption, rather than producing their own babies in the normal way?
Were there so many stolen that it is statistically probable that some would be adopted by the said owners?
Is there something ‘special’ about these particular babies that causes people to seek them out in preference to ‘ordinary’ babies put up for adoption?
Were these media magnates forced by the military dictatorship to adopt these particular babies?
Or did the media magnates pay the military for the privilege of having children?
Is there one iota of evidence, or even grounds for supposition, that Clarin Group members adopted illegally from this special group as opposed to the general population of babies put up for adoption at that time?
Is it not reasonable to assume that a large proportion of adoptions at that time were deficient in paperwork? This is frequently as much at the instigation of the birth-mother as at the request of the adoptee parents.
There is an obvious human rights issue on both sides of the argument, and I can see that the State could well find itself tried by an international court for human rights harassment and failure to behave impartially in this matter.
(5) Nope............
Jun 04th, 2011 - 02:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0xbarilox
Jun 04th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No doubt we all agree with you, whatever you were saying?
But i don’t know what your item [as exhilarating as it was]] has to do with the stolen babies,,,
And please don’t feel that everyone is offended when you speak,
As you rightly said, it’s only a blog, it’s only an advert,,
But please in your wisdom could you DEFINE [xenophobia ]
Is this not created by those who say it,, ,rather than those who read it, thank mmm
Since laws are supposed to be equal for everyone, it appears to me that the ruling should be that ALL persons adopted in Argentina during the military regime must give DNA for testing. If this is not done, then discrimination is clearly being done against the media group.
Jun 04th, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 9 The level of faggotry in your posts has exceeded EPA levels of gayness lol Look, I don't know what you say, but don't waste your time, I'm the kind of person who doesn't know anything about respect, actually I don't respect anything, I'm the kind of person who does sh*t today, and tomorrow and the day after tomorrow without remorse, I write because I want and because I can, you write because you dream of being important, you like to think that when people read your comment they will say “hmm who is this person? this person is so intelligent!” haha f*ck that! You are not even a man, and don't try to teach me, I am not your son, if you were my father I would have killed you! This is a virtual reality briton, you know? all of these comments one day will be forgotten. About the islanders, well, I imagine Isolde and her family drowning in the cold waters of the South Atlantic ocean and that thought of her dying is thrilling! About your hatred or my hatred, well that can do NOTHING, it's worthless, as much as I hate Cristina de Kirchner, she's unbeatable, and I'm sure she will make it again in October, and one day, remember this, one day those islands will be under the control of Argentina, you, and the others and I can hate, but that won't change a thing. Your comments are stupid, but the difference is that I don't give myself any importance, you give yourself importance, you take care of the words you use to sound intelligente haha. I don't need promotion, you need it, you live for the opinion of the others haha. Like I told you before, I do what I want because I can, that's what we men do, and I don't give sh*t what people think about me, I can criticize myself, but you can't do that, to do that you must be a man, and you are not. No matter how hard you try, or how hard I try, those islands one day will be in the hands of Argentina, you can bet on it. Now you can go giving yourself the importance people don't give you and suck on that big one you like that much.
Jun 04th, 2011 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0rahh rahh xbox, and when you die, no one will miss you.
Jun 04th, 2011 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like all men we all die, but the falklands will one day become part of argentina,, i think one day argentina will become part of the falklands, but like you say, who cares, we dont,,you dont, they dont,
xbox you are like a page in a book, when i have read your blog i turn the page over,,, next ,
Sick - Sick - Sick - No wonder why I read that Argentina has more psychiatrists per capita than any country in the world!
Jun 04th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK, let's shorten #6:
Jun 05th, 2011 - 12:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should the owners of newspapers adopt babies, stolen or otherwise?
Are Argentinean media magnates particularly prone to adoption, rather than producing their own babies in the normal way?
Ernestina Herrera de Noble
Jun 05th, 2011 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Born on June 7, 1925
Widowed on January 12, 1969
Adopted Felipe and Marcela in 1976
Math’s and biology………………………… Math’s and biology
14
Jun 05th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0posting displays no logic.
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Jun 05th, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How else could a 51 years old menopausic widow get hold of a pair of babies in the 70’s if not by adoption?
”Hundreds of these families have some reason to believe a baby could have been taken from a female relative who was taken away by security forces as an enemy of the (1976/1983) dictatorship and never seen again.”
Jun 05th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think, my point is, why would such an obviously rich woman choose to adopt a child of a woman killed by the regime rather than an ordinarily available child?
Could it be that such a woman is trying to save a child from the damage inflicted on its family by the killers of its mother?
*If* this did happen, no other motivation seems likely, as it seems highly unlikely that the regime would force babies onto Ernestina Herrera de Noble
Were these 500(?) babies produced as a result of mass rape by the captors? Or were the women simply pregnant or with a child at heel when they were taken?
If the report is correct, 104 adopted babies have 'had their identities recovered' (been DNA-matched?) with a disappeared mother/mother's family; with potentially 400 more having been stolen.
If just one baby was deprived of its mother in this way it is sad, though in civil conflict and war this is commonplace.
If a home was found for that baby, I fail to see it as a crime against humanity - more an act of humanity.
Please, if somebody out there has a more accurate take on this situation, please post it, because I find the whole thing confused and distressing.
You find the “whole thing” confusing and distressing?
Jun 05th, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You poor little sausage…………
What about educating yourself before commenting........
Or better yet, stop commenting about things you don’t know a thing about .......
I do not understand it either. It seems to be far more about whipping up hatred against the free press than concern for the children involved.
Jun 05th, 2011 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(19) ElaineB
Jun 05th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Does it really?
Why?
Would like to hear some of the background for your ”perception” about this matter…………..
Think,
Jun 05th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0have you nothing of value that you could contribute?
Is this not your country?
Is it that you are afraid to give honest opinions?
Be brave, man.
@20 Your post indicates you are just looking for a fight, not a debate. *sigh*
Jun 05th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 Your post indicates you are just looking for a way out, not a debate. *sigh*
Jun 05th, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Claims of stolen babies
Jun 05th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps this blog has run its course,
for only the argies it seems have the answers, and we are all just bystanders , just a thought .
They may have the answers ,
Jun 05th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but they are too afraid to speak.
And who can blame them.
I guess pity is in order.
“The DNA Data Bank's 12,000th match was made at the state DNA database facility in Richmond. On average, the DNA Data Bank receives 300 hits per month. In March, the Data Bank had 405 DNA matches, the most ever in a single month.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0DNA Data Bank has now matched 12,000 crime scene DNA samples to violent offenders and other suspects, helping to ”secure thousands of convictions“ of rapists, murderers, and kidnappers.”
Looks like is working very well for some Americans. The people involved in torture, murder and illegal adoption during the dictatorship thought that they had commited the perfect crime.
Marcos, you obviously picked up this quote from somewhere - ref. would be good. Richmond Virginia USA ?
Jun 06th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0DNA can be forensically taken from bundles of banknotes, and 'could' be used to provide evidence against corrupt politicians etc.
But with standard and *video evidence* already publicised nationwide and beyond - with blustering denials, serial appeals, few convictions, even fewer loss of Government jobs - what would be the point of DNA additional evidence?
For our 'leaders' - 'Impunity Through Immunity'
(Wry: It has the ring of an alternative Manifesto statement about it : ( don't you think)
27,
Jun 06th, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://imperialvalleynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7012&Itemid=1
Thanks, Marcos.
Jun 06th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...............................
It would be really easy to determine, for these 104 identified offspring, if the father’s DNA component matched that of the woman’s husband.
If it does not match, this is grounds for DNA-matching with the captors as rape is against the law.
There may be human rights issues, though.
Aranza !
Jun 08th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you read these news and comments ... don't you !!
why would Ernestina Herrera de Noble, a super rich woman, would adopt “babies” from interrogation sites ?
Jun 09th, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcela and Felipe Noble Herrera adoptee, now in their 30 have fiercely defended their adoptive mother and say they have no desire to know their birth families.... NO SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And still nobody answers my questions ! (#6, 13, 17, 29)
Jun 09th, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is totally unclear to me whether
(i) you don't know the answers,
(ii) or you do know but don't want to answer (embarrassing?)
but it certainly seems important enough to me for Argentineans to give the knowledge, their opinion, their information.
This is not a nice issue but it is not made better by 'hiding it under the Argentinean carpet'.
Artill - you seem less afraid than most to face difficult issues head-on, give us a bit of background that people aren't saying, even if it hurts.
G.
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Jun 09th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 06,13,17,29 are babyish questions !
31) Artillero601
Jun 10th, 2011 - 04:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Right….. Nos sh*t.
Until the DNA tests are done.
Then; with the truth on hand, things change…..
It has hapenned 104 times before.
It wil surely happen again.
So, Think,
Jun 10th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0did the tests revel the 104 babies to be fathered by the mother's husbands - or by 'persons unknown'?
It really is a VERY simple (but crucial) question.
@34 No shit that the Kids HAVE interest in finding out !!! they don't want to be caught up in this Media / Military Regime attack by the government or by the Marxist organization like the Madres of Plaza de Mayo. Is it clear now??
Jun 10th, 2011 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 Sorry, I didn't answer your question ! I was busy working , trying get out of the recession.... lol!!!
(36) Artillero 601
Jun 10th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No sh*t............
And when they eventually get their stolen identity back, they will be free to choose and move on ..............
@37 Tell Shocklender that !! ;-)
Jun 10th, 2011 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aranza !!
Jun 10th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you read Mercopress ,i send my greetings to you !!
(38) Artillero 601
Jun 10th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tell Schocklender what?
He is a crook.
He has been exposed.
He is being investigated and persecuted.
He will most probably end in prison after due process.
The system works....
What do you want me to tel him?
@40 the system works? for you all may be. If Oyarbide is your judge , for sure, nothing is going to happen!!!!!!!!!!
Jun 10th, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that Hebe de Bonafini knew about the whole “fiasco”
OK, Artill, I think I get the message.
Jun 10th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Stum.
It would, in any case, need a full DNA database of all military and police in post in 1976-83 to make a comparison worthwhile for the 'other 400'.
Dads are hard to uniquely identify without a complete DNA DB, and there is so far no call to test all these old guys - or is there?
Is this a ploy to 'castrate' the old political 'right', or is it just designed to castrate the Media bosses?
@42
Jun 10th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this a ploy to 'castrate' the old political 'right', or is it just designed to castrate the Media bosses?
Like my kids say : ” Geoff!! you are a Bad Ass !!!! (slang for Magnificent Human being )
Aranza !
Jun 10th, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would implore that don't drink exstra coffee also you have tension !
thanks.
Geo, would you be kind enough to explain to us what the “freak” Aranza is?
Jun 10th, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] - 45 artio
Jun 10th, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she is still belle woman (morena) though once used eyes lens !
jajajajaja!!! are you still drinking???
Jun 10th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] artio
Jun 11th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0you may estimate who she is...
imagine a woman who is Sarah Palin's Latin version...
My dear and good friend Geo !! I don't like Sarah Palin at all , I think she is moron, she was asked a question last week about Paul Revere and answered incorrectly. She lasted as governor of Alaska only 2 year not completing the 4 year term .... so I'm definitely not impressed with her at all !!!!! but she has the capacity of having a lot of followers ....JMO
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