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“Self determination and self sufficiency”, Falklands message to the world on Liberation Day

Wednesday, June 15th 2011 - 02:43 UTC
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“Self-determination and self-sufficiency” is the Falkland Islands message to the world on the day the Islands commemorate the 29th anniversary of its liberation, said the Falklands’ government representative in London Sukey Cameron, who added Argentina continues with its campaign to claim sovereignty and disrupt the Falklands economy. Read full article

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  • Redhoyt

    “ a far-reaching programme of career development and succession planning in order to ensure that it is our people who will be governing our country and developing our economy as we strive ever forwards ... ”

    Hurrah ... don't you just love it when a plan comes together!

    Chuckle, chuckle :-)

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    ““Self determination and self sufficiency”, Falklands message to the world on Liberation Day” It seems that the world is blind and deaf because nobody cares about the self determination and self sufficiency. Because it's amusing that those politicians talk about liberation when the islanders live under the threat of the english government in london, you still need to go the London to be heard, like nobody listens to the islanders, only those lords in England who smile :) and people over there don't even know where the islands are. It's sad to see that Ms Sukey Cameron is playing the game of those avaricious men in London and has decided to sell herself to them.

    @2 “Hurrah ... don't you just love it when a plan comes together!” oh man your mental health is in trouble, you should take a double dose of your pills, seriously.

    Mercopress, your cowardice is reaching the levels of bestiality. Why do you delete comments like that of Think #1? You should repost the comment. If you like to hide things from your readers that means that something is really wrong with you, and that you are worried. In Argentina we talk about everything, good and bad things, just to get rid of garbage, you can't hide it underneath the carpet.

    Not too much of a liberation if you act like this Mercopress, it sounds more like hostility and mediocrity towards the islanders not us. Lies won't live forever Mercopress, if you lie one day you'll have to face the truth, it always happens like that.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 05:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Xbox - the world is clearly blind and deaf to Argentina's verbal posturing. The Union Flag keeps on flying. Victory!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 05:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 3 what victory are you talking about? the victory of deleting comments? what happened in 1982? Seriously, that doesn't even count, I wasn't even born in those days. What counts is what the government of Cristina Fernández is doing, nothing more than that. Everything else, is bound to change, and so it will be at the appropriate time and that includes the possession of the islands. This is a democratic government, and what happened in 1982 under the dictatorship, has zero importance.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 05:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    “what happened in 1982 under the dictatorship, has zero importance.”

    An interesting view.... so you lot truly are incapable of learning then......

    So, did yawl celebrate 'The day we were put back on the road to a rather flakey form of democracy Day ' in RG land yesterday?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Think - wonder what you did. After all it is hardly surprising if the authors of 'Getting it right' were at the celebration. Hmmm?

    ExBrain - watch and wonder. The islands are British ..... never going to change !

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    NOT FOR LONG BE BRITISH! soon return to true owner who WERE STOLEN BY PIRATES IN 1833!!
    Chuckle, chuckle :-)!!!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Kiwi'sarse - The British have been the owner since 1765 !

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Xbox, has changed tack once again, now he says the lslands will become Argentine. lt wasn't so long ago that he said the lslands were British & before that were Argentine again. And before that..............
    Xbrain you are like a loose cannon on a rudderless ship.
    ls your mood & opinion decided by what you were smoking that day?
    @7 Kiwi, be quiet niño, the adults are talking. Was the true owner stolen by pirates? Poor fellow, maybe you can ransom him.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 5 Has any importance a victory in war against a self-elected government where the president was an alcoholic? If that's the best they can do... And you? You are not British, what are you doing here offering your time?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Xbox. I don't remember you Argies in rebellion against that self-elected government and it's alcoholic president. If the Tunisians and Egyptians can do it, why could not you? You might not have elected them, but you didn't do much (apart from a few brave individuals) to get rid of them.

    In fact, I was living in Argentina in April 1982 and I clearly remember people driving around Rio Gallegos hooting their cars ecstatic with joy about the invasion and “la recuperacion de nuestras malvinas”. Like hell! Pan y circo, that's all you Argies understand...

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @ #5 And you Xbox? You aren't a Falklander , what are you doing here.... ? silly little boy.....

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 9 Isolde, were you taking me seriously? You must be the only one haha, thank you, but you're nuts!

    @ 11 You're right, I wasn't there, why did you leave the country? Because you are British? Don't worry about this, and don't take it seriously, like in those days many people in these forums will be a memory in a few more years, and the cold winds will still be blowing on the falklands. If I was you, I would stop visiting this site, it's pointless. Isn't it funny to see how people react to comments when they feel they are being attacked and they express their fears violently, for example fears of losing their homes? I love psychodrama, human beings are interesting specimens.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Yes, xbox, you Argentines fully supported the junta when you invaded our land.........but when you were defeated all we hear is“it wasn't us, it was the junta”-good mates to have guarding your back on patrol-NOT!!!!!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 14 “you” do you mean “me” like xbarilox? I wasn't there, but that's the past this is a new era, that was the end of an era, that was then, this is now. And please don't scream, I hate it when people scream over nothing.

    @ 12 stop pricking around, troll.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    I hope and expect the UK will make Falkland independent
    once where East Timor by using Gurkhas ......

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    “Self determination and self sufficiency”, Falklands message to the world”

    Let me see... Message to the world from Falkland... and repercussion in the world press...

    Germany Die Zeit, nothing aha...
    Germany Süddeutsche Zeitung nothing umm
    France Le monde nothing uff
    France Le Monde Diplomatique nothing agh...
    Italy Corriere della Sera nothing
    Italy Sole 24 ore nothing,
    Spain El País nothing
    Spain El Mundo nothing
    BBC nothing

    US Washington Post nothing
    US USAToday nothing

    And the message to the world??????
    What world? Mercopress? And the Penguin News?

    “Our investment in education continues to bear fruit; a number of our graduates hold influential positions in both the public and private sectors”

    Well by judging by the posts made on mercopress by Bennies I think you are not making a good job on education. Trust me.

    “Our students continue to make us proud; last year eighty one percent of year 11 students at the Falkland Islands Community School gained at least five A* to C grades – far in excess of the comparable UK figures of sixty nine point one percent.”

    Is that a joke? Comparable with UK figures and your queen is not still laughing for the joke?
    If I have 1 student and he gets a C grade can I consider my achievement as a world record?

    Very funny, very funny...

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Billy Hayes

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8576465/Argentina-grants-ID-card-to-man-born-in-Falkland-Islands.html

    James Peck´s words have more reprecussion than Sukey´s; but mercopress......

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @18
    Of course they do Billy, He's a mediocre artist but ambitious so he want's absolutely any sort of Media coverage, ambitious artists would eat dog shit to get their name in the paper.....or in this case stab his countrymen and all the British servicemen who faught and died for their freedom in the back, his family here in the Falklands must be so proud.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    “what happened in 1982 under the dictatorship, has zero importance”

    Do you really seriously believe it has no relevance?

    Why do you covet a cluster of islands when even the war over them happened before you were even born? It makes no sense.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Too young ExBrain ... makes no difference, it takes 3 generation before a war fades. Haven't you heard?

    Billious, James Peck is a nobody. Same effect as Argentina in the C-24. None :-)

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    If you know Jaime Peck personally like I do, you would know he is a very shelfish man, he only ever looks out for himself. He would have been offered a lot to take Argentine nationality, told what to say, and he would have done it to get what he was offered. And you can have him, the man was only ever a drain on the government's resources and finances. A lazy quiter, who never really offered much. It makes me angry what he has done, but he is now Argentina's problem.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Jefferson's soul

    There was no repercussion since everybody wants a stable relationship with Argentina and UK, here we used to say “we all want to sleep peacefully”. Nobody wants to take part in this conflict that only concerns Argentina and UK. That's the simple reason. Argentina and Brazil are the giants economies in South America.

    Honestly I find it weird to commemorate the end of a war but well it is your day, Peace!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Where Gibraltar goes, there's a good chance that the Falkland Islands will eventually follow -

    “ ... ”To argue that decolonisation only occurs if it is granted by the Committee of 24 is to condemn Gibraltar never to be decolonised. There is no point asking them to do it - they never will. Our decolonisation is a factual reality (regardless of the Committee of 24's inactivity) by virtue of our powers of self Government and self legislation, our modern non-colonial and consensual Constitutional relationship with Britain (accepted by Gibraltarians in an act of self determination) and because Britain declares the relationship not to be colonial in nature. Decolonisation in the relevant sense has already occurred. The Committee of 24 cannot detract from these obvious realities. We are not 'consenting colonials' as Spain has told Mr Picardo at C24, but consenting political partners with the UK, in a modern non-colonial relationship with the UK underpinned by our chosen British Sovereignty. We will never get more than that in the Committee of 24. For the Government, Gibraltar is no longer in a colonial situation viz a viz the UK and there is therefore no need to go to C24 to ask for decolonisation... ”

    http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=21993

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 12:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    MP deleting comments??? noooooo

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Jamie Peck! - His last act here was of a common petty criminal- he was caught redhanded at night stealing vegetables from several peoples gardens - you really want that sort of creep - no problems - he is yours! If he returns here he can still be prosecuted!
    He is of course perfectly entitled to his personal political beliefs and logically if you decide a country is going to be your home then you in time obtain the right to live there as a citizen - the farce of birth certificates is a political stunt for no doubt he is being very well paid with money from Argentine taxpayers! No doubt he will be paid some more next year to go to the UN C24 and spout out the Arg speil.
    On a family level- and I think family respect is an important thing in Argentina? - there could be no greater personal insult from a son to his deceased father - and to his mother, brother and sisters - to do what he has done on Liberation Day - Terry Peck rest in peace - you were 5000 times the man your son Jamie ever will be.Personal choice is everybodys right in a democracy - but not that specific way.
    Dont forget fanatical Argentines on here - there are several with Arg birth certificates and nationality who live and work here who now also hold Fialkands citizenship rights - we dont bribe them to get a false birth certificate though- they keep the one they have - same as somebody from any other part of the world!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 18................[] 26

    I believe that James Peck is a smart initiator ...likely would be
    followed by other Falklanders ....

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ruleargentinnia

    maybe islanders are trying to conceal THE REAL STORY about James Peck:

    “Forbidden love in a cold climate - Anthony Browne - Observer
    Sunday May 12, 2002

    It is a modern day version of Romeo and Juliet set not in fair Verona, but the chilly south Atlantic. A pair of star-crossed lovers have been forced into exile from the Falkland Islands for the ultimate sin: falling in love with the enemy.
    Now the story looks set to become the closely-knit island's first human rights case.
    The cast includes James Peck, a sixth-generation Falkland Islander, and the only professional artist in the British territory; his father Terry Peck MBE, a decorated war hero who was the only islander to take up arms against the Argentine army; James's best friend Michael, an Argentine conscript who fought Terry in battle; and James's pregnant girlfriend María, who happens to be Argentine.
    María moved in to James's home in the former battleground of Goose Green, and kept a low profile. But the relationship between the son of the island's only war hero and the Argentine woman has caused such controversy that the island's hospital has refused to give treatment to María during the birth, and the church has refused to let them marry.
    With claims of official cold-shouldering, James and María have been forced to leave and stay in a borrowed apartment in Buenos Aires, the enemy capital, to await the birth of their baby. 'We had to leave and that was it,' said James from his Argentine hideaway. 'Most of my friends can't believe this awful treatment.'
    The episode is particularly embarrassing for the Falkland Islanders, who are currently celebrating their liberation from Argentine dictatorship 20 years ago.
    Now human rights monitors working for the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office have intervened in the case, and James has instructed a solicitor in the Falklands to take legal action against the island government.”

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    interested that -- ziggy --'s comment would you add him up ?!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2003673/Falklands-War-hero-HMS-Invincible-goes-knackers-yard-html

    at comment box,Artur M.Houston 's comment is very interesting
    as well as ziggy's.......

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @23

    “Honestly I find it weird to commemorate the end of a war but well it is your day, Peace!”

    Weird? it's what people do when they've WON a war, still I guess you wouldn't understand about that.
    ;-)

    @28
    Maybe he should hook up with Mike Bingham, they could swap conspiracy theories and phoney grievences whilst bitching about how hard done by they are.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    28 ruleargentinnia

    And perhaps you might want to let us know the results of the 'legal action'? No, thought not.
    The problem wasn't that Jamie's girlfriend was Argentine; there are plenty of people with Argentine partners here. The problem was that she didn't have Falkland Island Status, or a Permanent Residence permit, or a work permit. Unfortunately, sleeping with a Falkland Islander doesn't give anyone a right to benefits here.
    As for the church, I understand that he wanted a church blessing from the Catholic church when he was still married to someone else. Why don't you try asking for that and see how far you get?

    Anyway, the man's an arse, and you're welcome to him. Like Mike Bingham, he is just too amazingly talented and charismatic for a place as small as this and has decided to take himself off to a place where his unique talents are more appreciated. Just make sure you put a padlock on your vegetable gardens.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argie

    #26 Islander1. As far as I know, anyone that has a legal work, complies with the rules, toes the line and behaves properly, can get an islands' passport as well as a British passport. On the other hand, any moron or criminal can obtain an Argentine ID since the K's are around. Pity! It wasn't like that before.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @27

    If you believe that then you're an idiot.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    @23
    I can't see anything odd about celebrating the end of a war. The Argentines celebrate the start of one on April 2nd, and that's pretty weird in my opinion.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ruleargentinnia

    @22 “A lazy quiter, who never really offered much”

    James looks like a real artist to me: http://jamespeck.blogspot.com/
    I recommend the reading of the article “Ideas of Freedom” on his webpage.

    This discussion is interesting to think about how the islanders see themselves, suffice it to say this is no archipelago of innocent lambs:

    http://jamespeck.blogspot.com/

    Lewis Clifton, he likes argentina! He's been here several times. Actually he visited Buenos Aires for the first time for a sailing race when he was a kid. It was the first time in his life he'd seen a subway, and when the train came he jumped back scared of the noise.

    If only islanders were willing to open their minds a little more, no wonder why James -an artist- is now argentine. What has a free thinker, creative mind to do in a land of backwards thinking conservative people who are being used by britain to exercise colonialism in the 21st century?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    islander...Alexander Betts, Yolanda Bertrand, Martyn Clarke.etc...they are criminals too right? ajja come on call him “argie lovers” dont you call that way to everyone who say to the world that argentina is right?
    keep reading “Mercopress” or “the sun” to keep that close mind that you have.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    From (#18)'s link

    “Mr Peck's father fought in the war on the British side, but he thinks the islands, called the Malvinas in Spanish, should be ruled by the South American country.

    Reiterating Argentina's sovereignty claim, Mrs Fernandez urged Britain to hold talks over the islands' future.”

    Now correct me if i am wrong, Did Mr Peck not run for Election in 2007, here is parts of the ELECTION MANIFESTO OF JAMES PECK.

    “It’s understandable that I concentrate for more than a moment on Argentina. It’s actually not that difficult to keep a family relationship separate from the duties of representing one’s people. As far as I am concerned the Argentine Flag will never fly here whilst I live here, regardless of whether I am elected or not. I owe this to my father and to the security and opportunities available here to my children and to those who made the sacrifice for us. It is a simple black and white situation and I will not be bullied into any other position here or anywhere else.”

    Funny how things changed due to the power hungry not getting his fill, then again, it is far more easier to play the Argentinean card, and live easy, than to actually work.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @35

    Read what AJ rimmer posted above, Jamie's a free thinker is he? nope, simply a two faced liar, he'll fit right in over there in Spikland.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    35 ruleargentinnia and 36 Searinox

    I am intrigued by the fact that you can't grasp the paradox; to you, everyone who doesn't think the way you do has a 'closed mind'.
    I could, equally, urge you to look past your limited education and government propaganda and open your minds to our point of view. Which is formed from personal experience and not by reading 'The Sun'.
    Everybody has the right to choose their future as individuals, and if that choice takes them to Argentina, then so be it.It's your government's claim to our country that is the problem, not Argentines themselves, and if you can't see that then you should 'open your minds' and try harder.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    ”there are business and employmernt opportunities for fi through provision of support servicies to the military(military that comes from UK)” interesting a foreigner militar base in south america
    the only reason you are going to prosecuted this man its because he supports argentina not because of the vegetables ....he has been always low profile its a personnal matter

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    That's 'persecuted' you moron. Who said he'd been persecuted anyway? he's just another fanatsist who'll do whatever it takes to cause controversy, do you really think he NEEDED to do this in order to live in such a fair and democratic country as Argentina? You lot kiss the arses of any Falkland Islander who's prepared to turn their back on the British.

    If you want to believe his egotistical bullshit that's your concern.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    39 government propaganda like the uk government shaking the war ghost to stop the cuts in the military budgets? dont you know thats the same thing that happend before malvinas war? they are doing exactly the same margaret tatcher and your militars did and you fall again in the cheap nationalism. and then you talk about propaganda? to the UK mind everything that is took by force is yours... of curse that means a open mind to you?
    self determination over a territory is just to native people, since uk invade in 1833 replacing our governor and our people from there its turn into an invasion, took a diccionary...is a book where you can find the meaning of different words i recomend you to read it.maybe that way you'll know what invasion means. Since that and the UN recognition of that invasion, only applies the principle of territorial integrity. keep repeating as a parrot “self determination” but i said it before, no country has said no to negotiations on the sovereignty of the islands in public, except the United Kingdom of course.
    but many organisms support the negotiations and the argentinian claim. and not only from south america, so explain me how can you believe that too many countries are wrong and you are right? maybe its because you know you'll lose it. and the world sees over and over how argentina claims in peace and uk refuse to do what the UN told them to do.maybe its your stupid proud that dont let you see, that nobody support you at least in public, and we are support by a lot of countries, and anothers who are in favor to negociate (neutral). then more than a half of the world are wrong and you are right? can you believe such a foolishness? oh yeah, its seems you can...

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    I completely forgot Jamie ran for council! Brilliant A.J., absolutely brilliant. There you go Argies, there is your proof! He is a liar! He will do anything to get something for free. And when I said he was a lazy quitter, I meant that he receieved funding many times from FIG to go abroad and take courses, but he always quit and never paid anything back. As I said, he is your problem now.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @42

    “self determination over a territory is just to native people”

    Bullshit, self determination applies to everyone. Anyway lets just say you were right....where would that leave you RG's eh?.....or would that not apply to you for some reason?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Searnox- Jamie is a petty little thief- and as you can now read from his election speech - a liar as well! No problem with other Islanders who live in Argentina- read my post again - that is anybodys free choice in a democracy - which country to live and work in! I even lived and worked
    in yours for 2 yeasr in the 1970s!! And yes - as I was earning my livelihood there I had no problem going to the local town on 25th May to witness your Independence day celebrations etc - I respect the country where I live and work - and at that time it was in yours.
    De we make a big political whohaa out of the Arg citizens who live and work here? No - thats because we are realists and believe in freedom of choice.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    44 no country can be created into another country who was independent before.
    its a UN principle.
    thats why i said it before: if uk would took the islands Since before argentina was free, then you could say self determination. but the UK took the islands when argentina was already free and when argentina had in the islands a government and people.
    A colony its an entity who depends or its under a potence control. but when uk took it argentina already had it with their own government and own people. wich means that the uk install their own government and their own people inside argentina jurisdiction because argentina was independent since 1816 and argentina took the islands in 1820, uk invade it in 1833 which is invasion.
    and what i said about native people and self determination is not a lie. that principle was the one of the first ones that the UN made to create an peacefully organism who respect others territories. why do you think the UN classified the dispute as a different case of colonialism? because there is people who depends from uk, as a colony, but they were put in there by the uk, that means they are not colony. thats why this turn into a bilateral dispute, in a normal colony there is no bilaterlality, but the UN said this case was different and its a bilateral dispute between UK and argentina. with 94 votes in favor, 14 abstentions, none against. (UN Resoltion 2065 (xx) ).

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    42 Searinox
    Are you for real? You really think I should alter my views about my own country's sovereignty because the governments of Venezuela and South Africa have expressed support for Argentina.
    And WTF does it have to do with them? How does this issue affect them one way or another? Come to think of it, how does it affect you? I mean, does this issue impact on your daily ife in any way whatsoever?
    No.I thought not, it which case I don't have to listen to anything any of you have to say on the matter.
    We are persecuted by you and your allies simply becuse we are small and it isn't in anyone's interest to side with us.It isn't even in Britain's interest, but they do it anyway, and thank goodness for that.
    And don't give me any of that 'negotiate' rubbish; your government doesn't even recognise our right to have any say in the matter, so how can there be any negotiation?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @46

    “if uk would took the islands Since before argentina was free, then you could say self determination. but the UK took the islands when argentina was already free and when argentina had in the islands a government and people.”

    The natives of the area you now call Argentina were free before your ancestors colonised the place and yet you have the right to self determination, sure you stabbed the Spanish in the back which somehow wipes the slate clean for you ex-colonial hypocrites but that doesn't we have to do the same. It's our choice about what our allegiences are just as it was your choice when you became independant.....so you can mind your own bloody business.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    47 Venezuela and south africa were not the only countries that support us, its all american continent (even USA, thats wierd, and ex british colonies from the caribbean) china, rusia, israel,south africa,etc) and countries from europe are in favor of peacefully negotiations too. thats not just venezuela and south africa thats an eufemism...
    you are persecuted by us? we dont have any problem to the islanders, our problem its just with UN. Our government didnt recognize your right well then why the UN didnt do it neither? or now you'll say because we are using “jedi tricks” LOL
    The UN want negotiations, not just us. ask yourself why is that before asking if we recognize you or not...
    45 freedom of choice? did you read the kelpers that come to argentina what happend to them when they tried to go back to visit malvinas what happend?
    Yolanda bertrand had been prohibited to enter to the islands once she went to argentina, martyn clarke went to argentina and because he appear in tv kelpers broke the windows from his house in malvinas, thats the freedom of choice you mean?
    i told you, we can be wrong, but more than a half of the world is wrong and you, only you are right?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    What part of Not negotiable dont you understand?

    'Falklands sovereignty is not negotiable. Period!’ UK's Cameron

    http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/70156/falklands-sovereignty-is-not-negotiable-period!%E2%80%99-uks-cameron

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jerry

    T0day's quote from the Buenos Aires Herald: UK Prime Minister, David Cameron, sent a clear message during a Parliamentary speech regarding Argentina’s claim over Malvinas islands as the British leader stated that sovereignty “is not negotiable. Period!”

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  • Monty69

    49 Searinox
    I wonder if you have told all those countries who support 'negotiations' that your constitution itself says that the return of the islands to Argentina is the only acceptable outcome?
    Isn't that what you mean by 'negotiations'?

    And how do you see those negotions working out? It doesn't seem as though you've left yourselves much to talk about. I actually think it wouldn't hurt at all to set up a meeting. It would be very short, but at least we could all say we'd done it:
    Argentina; 'Give us the Islands'
    Britain; 'Hold on, we'll just ask the Islanders what they think'
    Falkland Islanders; 'No'
    Britain; 'The answer's No'

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Argie

    Our President Cristina was photographed with Jamie, or was it Dr. House? Fortunately we produce millions of tons of vegetables all year round so that our new Argentine citizen won't have the need to visit our gardens overnight. And I prefer William Powdell Dale's paintings, by the way

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    Yes, I just has a look at the photos and he's looking pretty rough; the pressures of being a fugitive from justice must be starting to take their toll!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    52 take a diccionary and look the word “bilateral” before to say all that crap.
    50 cameron said, but the other countries are saying another thing, uk will not be able to refuse. each day we got another country in favor to our claim, lets see how much time does the uk keep that useless position.
    53 really? are you too much infant to create a profile to impersonate Argentinians? and you defend what uk says? jaja go and pray to god cameron. well i mean if he say something and you take it as truth you most to believe he is god dont you?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Xbox - If what happened in 1982 has zero importance they why do you idiots bang on about 1833? I was around in 1982 but i think you will be hard pressed to find anyone around in 1883, correct me if i am wrong. If neither of these events have any relevance then what only matters is 2011 and therefore as a democracy you have to accept the islanders rights to determine their own future.

    That is the only conclusion based upon your theoretical proposition!

    Please tell me what CFK is actually doing as it appears to be having no effect on sovereignty or on the economic development, including oil exploration in the Islands?

    Sounds like she is a resounding failure on that issue then. She has also by default cut you out of any future deal on oil production that looks likely to occur in the Falkland Islands.

    If she wasn't medicated before then she sure should be now. Not exactly the most effective of leaders now is she?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @55

    Why don't you look up “Trilateral”...dumb fuck.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    if CFK is not doing anything against the islanders then why do they complain all the time? the past matters but you only say what its best to your position, but the truth its all the story not just a part. the islanders ask for self determination right, but one thing is self determination to people and another different thing is over a territory, if i got a territory in the UK and i have self determination then can i create inside of UK “Searinox Land” a new country? no because there is a country in there and the UN says no country can create inside another country jurisdiction, the same applied to malvinas proofs that self determination is not able because they were put in there and because argentina was free with the islands inside our jurisdiction till uk invade, which means that uk will never have malvinas, you ask for one right and you dont have all the “requirements” to get it, and at the same time you try to use that right to brake more than 4 rights.... its because of that nobody support your position

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    55 Searinox
    I know what bilateral means.
    Unfortunately for you, Britain has pledged not to talk about sovereignty unless we wish it. So you see you can't exclude us, however much you would like to. Sorry.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    57 what the hell are you talking about? thats your explanation? UN resolution 2065 says Bilateral dispute not trilateral... dumb fuck.
    59 oh really? and since when UK is the owner of the truth or the one who puts the rules to the world? i mean i never heard that someone says that if uk say something thats how the world have to work...
    UK is in the segurity council committe but if a lot of countries say to do something and the UK refuse UK can be obliged to negociate...wait do you really think UK is untouchable? jajaja
    the segurity council committe are the first one who have to do what the UN says, why do you think argentina is adding more countries to this thread?
    your wishes? oh excuse another british believes he is god, not rare... but its useless keep talking with all of you, the only thing you did in here is say self determiantion,not negotitions because cameron said it, and one beast who dont know even what Resolution made the UN about malvinas or the words they use to talk about it. so the only thing you prove its that you repeat over and over what you heard in TV. because after that you dont know what to say, thats why you repeat it all the time, and then appears one who dont know how to use diccionary? and the best part a dont insult him and he insult me, thats what happend when people gets angry because they dont know how defend their position

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Serinox - But the UK does have the islands. I don't see any evidence to the contrary. So in what way does the UK not have the islands? Please educate me on this as it is a black and white matter.

    The islanders don't “ask” for a right, they have it and they have self-determination. Argentina is trying to take that away but for some reason always appears reluctant to take its supposed claim for legal scrutiny? Is it because it knows it would lose or is it scared to take a risk?

    No-one supports our position. So why are the Islands part of the Lisbon Treaty? Does the EU not exist? What about Brazil, it appears happy for Falklands sea food to be landed on its territory?

    Regarding CFK, how would you feel about a noisy aggressive neighbour shouting at you all the time when all you want is peaceful partnership. However all you posturing is getting you no where otherwise something would have happened by now.

    At the end of the day Argentina and your mentally unstable leader is an irrelevance.

    Let the oil flow!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    61 i never say they didnt have it, but spain had almost all american continent, and look how the time changed... and if the islanders have the right then why the UN keep saying to uk to negociate the sovereignty? tell them they have that right and tell them to stop calling both countries to negociate if you are so sure about that right

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    The UN doesn't tell us to do anything. It's “asks” both sides and if one side wishes not to then that it has no ability to make that side change it's mind. Anyway, the UN also say that the best interests of the Islanders are paramount and in the adult and rational free world the individual has the right to decide what is in their best interests.

    If you wish to challenge that then go to the ICJ. Your argument is a hollow as your presidents threats. Next time, get your facts right.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • yul

    # Beef /

    Searinoxis right ....let these fictitious islands to discuss.

    My advice to you try to obtain another citizenship(s), which would be
    Australia, Turkey ,Brazil for you.You can use your acedemist identity
    advantages.

    I am going to Turkey /holiday this Friday..say your hello to Pete/Loraine couple !?

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  • Monty69

    62 Searinox
    Can I just ask you how you imagine this working out, in a practical sense? Just how does one go about subjugating an unwilling population in the 21st century?
    Are you imagining prisons full of Falkland Islanders who resist? Or mass deportations perhaps? House arrest or child hostages? Those were quite popular in the conflict.
    I have a sneaking feeling none of you has thought this through properly.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Yul - good to see you again. As you will see I have pulled Searox's argument to pieces. The number of inaccuracies contained in his argument relagated him to the league of Marcos and the old Jihad Jorge who disapeared as quickly as an Argie on the Islands in 1982.

    I am in the process of moving house so no time to move country but you never know, I may even venture to Rio or Brazillia on a work trip soon. It would be good to get a few of those Brazilian scholarship places to my University, £££££££££! We have a couple of PhD students and one post doc here.

    Get to Bursa for an Iskender Kebab (spelling may be out on that one)!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    @ 62 ”but spain had almost all (south) american continent, and look how the time changed...”
    Yes south american Spaniards got independence from Spain.... the anglos in the United States didn't say 'we want that bit as well' and just take it.... oh OK they took Mexico and California but the premise still stands.

    I see all the nutters are out and about.. full moon anyone?

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    These nutters like Searox also appear to make things up on the spot and pass it off as some form of credible academic construct.

    Let us look at two of Searox's comments.

    1) the UK has no support. Wrong, and there is a EU treaty to prove it.

    2) the UN is telling the UK to negotiate. Wrong, how can a non binding general assembly resolution tell anyone to do anything if it is non-binding.

    If some of these imbeciles had brains made of dynamite, it wouldn't blow their hats off!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 69 “unwilling population”??? I can't see how they are an unwilling population. James Peck is an Argentine born in Malvinas Argentinas, and since those islands are part of Argentina, he is an Argentine born in Malvinas. I can't see the problem with that. Were you born in Malvinas? If you were born in Malvinas, that makes you an Argentine, it doesn't matter what the English crown says. If you were not born in Malvinas, then you are an immigrant in Malvinas. Seriously, what people like Frank (where is he anyway?) says, doesn't matter. This woman Sukey Cameron is also an Argentine. Isolde you are an Argentine too, sister, if you were born in Malvinas Argentinas like Sukey Cameron and James Peck. If you were not born in Malvinas, then you are an illegal immigrant. It doesn't matter what British ninnies like Redhoyt or people like David Cameron says.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Xbox - if you don't want those British Citzens in the Falkland Islands then you have two choices

    1) Challenge their legal status

    2) Forcebly evict them

    2 would have to come after 1.

    You are not willing to mount a legal challenge and do not have the capacity to evict them by force. In other words, climb back down that shit hole you came from and the sensible people will carry on as they did before.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    @ Searinox
    You are incredible fool. I have looked back over your comments and it is difficult to see how you manage to to maintain such stupidity. Except, of course, for the fact that you are an Argentine brainwashed in the Argentine education system.

    Here's some FACTS. Britain was in the Falklands in 1690. Total Argentine occupation of the Islands since 1765 amounts to less than 3 years. Whilst British occupation is more than 148 years. And don't try to get smart over the word “occupation”. All it means is that British people have been there around 74 times as long as you Argies.

    While we're at it, why shouldn't Britain ignore UN resolution 2065? It's a General Assembly resolution. And GA resolutions are non-binding. Have you heard of UN Security Council resolutions? They ARE binding. But you Argies ignored two of them. 502 and 505. You also regularly breach the UN Charter as well as the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

    Regular little criminals, you are. As a nation.

    You might think that Cristina's Botox-fuelled words are important. We don't. Just a little yapping bitch.

    But I have come up with a method of resolving the whole problem to nearly everyone's satisfaction. We have four nuclear-powered submarines each one with 16 nuclear ballistic missiles. each missile can carry up to 8 nuclear warheads. I make that 512 warheads. Each warhead can vary between 100 kilotons and 475 kilotons. So I make it that we can drop 243,200 kilotons on any troublemaker. I think Cristina and Argentina are troublemakers.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    @ 69 “unwilling population”??? I can't see how they are an unwilling population

    Why don't you ask an Argentine soldier who was here in 1982 what an unwilling population looks like? The poor things had even been told by their commanding officers and propaganda machine that the Islanders would be pleased and grateful to see them.

    Just because you can't see something, it doesn't mean it's untrue. It says more about your limited intellect than anything else.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • atk357

    That would be enough deterrent for CFK. The question is...will you mates release a nuclear weapon without our consent (USA)? To a non-nuclear country...I don't think so! Basically, we have not use them in combat since 1945....and sure no American president will agree to it. You want to fight the Argies...go ahead, of course you can...fair fight....you are on your own!
    No worries Mate! CFK is a troublemaker!! Cheers

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    It would not be a fair fight with the Argies. They cannot even maintain their own airforce or have access to amphibious landing craft.

    We wouldn't need to use trident. In 1982 the Argie high command scared the crap out of their own forces by telling their own men that the Gurkhas prefered decapitating their enemy rather than shooting them. At the first sight of a Gurkha those Argies ran faster the Usain Bolt and the Gurkhas felt cheated out of a fight.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Searinox you dont half love fantasies! - but then you are Argentine I guess? Most of the nations you claim suport Argentina - only support(including here USA) - Argentina in that the sides should enter into newgotiations to resolve the dispute. And for most of them THERE their support ends.
    Most of them are unaware that legally according to your Constitution and repeated verbally frequently by your Govt Ministers - these talks can only have one swift outcome - full Argentine Sovereignty over the Islands and people regardless of what the people may wish.
    That is simply why no normal sane Country like UK will even sit down and negotiate - negotiations are open ended discussions at the start you prick! Hopefully at the end of them you then come to a mutually acceptable compromise solution! Since Arg has made it clear that can never ever happen - there never ever will be such negotiations- get it?
    No list me please the Nations that have agreed with Argentina as follows:

    The population of the Islands have no rights to any say in their political future and have to hand over their homeland to Argentina regardless.

    That as you know is the only outcome that Arg will accept.

    Come on - list me the Countries that have publicly backed this?

    Asa have said before on here - we trade with several of your neighbours - all their official communications to the Islands are addressed to either:

    The Government of the Falkland Islands
    or
    The Government of the Islas Falklands

    such solidarity you have dont you?

    Get a life!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    Kick the British out of Malvinas! Wipe out the colonial dogs! We must clear the colonial out of Los Malvinas like we cleared American Indians out of Argentina. Death to communist in the Argentine for destroying our country!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Filippo - with what are you going to kick us out? You have nothing.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    James Peck is only person born on Los Malvinas, the rest of you are nothing, you will all die when we come. In truth, we don't want you, we only want your land, houses, fish and oil. We do not want colonials, go home now while you can. Mugabe, has done to British colonials in Zimbabwe, what we will do, only for you it will be worse. Britain did not care for the colonials in Zimbabwe. They will run like dogs when Fuerza Aérea Argentina levels your capital.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 78 ??? That's not true, all the people born in Malvinas are Argentines, because Malvinas are Argentina too. It's just a matter of papers, the English crown has occupied that part of Argentina and gave them the islanders born in Malvinas fake nationality papers. All of the others who are not born in Malvinas are immigrants, those born in Malvinas are Argentines.
    And no, there is not going to be a war (you seem to be briton, aren't you briton talking about war again?) so stop masturbating over this idea.

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Flipper the ethnic cleanser. How are you going to get to the islands to ethnicly cleanse them? Firsty you would need to have a military and what you have doesn't fit with that definition.

    Nice ad for Argentina arn't you. Hey Marcos, we have a friend with the same intellect as you!

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benito

    xbarilox,

    Have the people of Chile been also given fake papers?

    Stop this nationalistic rubbish! Do you remember 82? Do you remember who it was that led us to war? Why is it we want these small islands? Argentina is not big enough? Ten times the size of Great Britain? Is not big enough, we need these tiny islands, surrounded by ice cold seas and blasting winds. I wonder if you will be brave enough to live there. Put your money on the line, take a gun and go fight for them if you feel they are worth dieing for! We want these islands because we want their oil, and by using the word “we”, i do not mean you or me, I mean the financial elite who live off our backs, it will be a few Argentines getting rich and it will be American oil companies who own the oil fields!

    The people of the Falkland Islands were not given fake papers! Do you realize how funny that sounds?

    If a Chilian walked into your house tomorrow and said, “we have taken ownership of these lands, you are now a Chilian citizen, the Argentine government gave you fake papers and we are replacing them”, would you jump with joy or laugh in their face? It is insulting to read such childish rubbish. It's insulting! Because if we believe that Los Malvinas should have close ties to Argentina, the worst thing we could do is act the way we are. Imagine you are a citizen of the Falkland Islands, how would you like to be told by a country large enough to swap you 10 thousand times over, that “you are Argentinian and you have been given fake papers and soon you will be given the right Argentine documentation, whether you like it or not”! Is this what Hitler said to the French, when he invaded France?

    Imagine, imagine you lived on Los Malvinas, your ancestry is British, your language is English, your entire cultural identity is British and your biggest fear is a neighbor thousands of times bigger taking over everything. That, my friend, would be your biggest nightmare. Yet it is exactly what you wa

    Jun 15th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Been a busy night!

    Searinox - you arguments are flawed by the presumption that the British sovereignty claim dates back to 1833. It doesn't. It goes back to 1765 (and arguably 1690).

    And we most certainly did not throw your 'Governor' off the islands. Vernett was reporting back to Britain and had British permission to be there. He'd already left the islands but continued his operation there well after 1833.

    Too much else to get involved with here!

    Still, another day ...... :-)

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benito

    1833... time to move on!

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @Searinox,
    All that you said is garbage.
    You have no rights here at all.
    The answer to you & your silly country will always be NO.
    @Xbox,
    l am NOT an Argentine. l am a British citizen. l do NOT wish to be Argentine.
    So the answer to you is also NO.
    Do either of you plonkers understand the word NO?
    lts the same in Spanish as it is in English, NO.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Benito

    “Imagine, imagine you lived on Los Malvinas, your ancestry is British, your language is English, your entire cultural identity is British and your biggest fear is a neighbor thousands of times bigger taking over everything. That, my friend, would be your biggest nightmare”

    Now

    Imagine, imagine you live in Argentina your ancestors are from many parts of the world your language is Spanish, your entire culture identity is Argentinean. And your biggest fears is a little island thousand of times smaller that gives unrestricted access to a Imperialist nation like UK that bombs and kills innocent people in many countries in the world just for oil and power aspiration.

    That, my friend, would be your biggest nightmare and pain in your @ss.

    Just points of view : )

    @lsolde

    I understand you, women always say NO especially in her first date. But you know then they have babies.
    Nature always prevails, just a thought.
    : )

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    So you have nightmares about us Dim ... that explains a lot!

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @85 NicoDin,
    Have you been drinking again, Nicholas? You should also leave the Paco alone.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @85

    and there was me thinking that you Argies wanted the Falklands because you believe that you have a valid claim, territorial integrity and so on. Now you say it's because you're scared of Britain.....Awwwww...poor babies, did you have a bad dream about the nasty British....You sad bunch of losers, you flatter yourself that Britain gives a shit about YOU, why would the British Government ever consider Argentina enough of a threat to consider military action against YOU?......nope....I can't think of a single reason why they should. If you really do piss your pants that much through fear of the British then maybe you should consider allying yourself with the UK, They'll defend you against all the other nasty people in the world who you're afraid of.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Mushrooms! Kept in the dark and fed bullsh*t.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JarrettSmith

    The most amazing thing about 95% of the Argentine contributers here is that they have not taken the time to read the Falklands timeline. Britain's claim to the Falklands dates back hundreds of years before the existance of the Argentine Republic, before even the Republic of Buenos Aires.

    The continuous British / Falkland settlement of the Falkland Islands has existed for almost 180 years. The Argentine settlement of the Falkland Islands lasted a few months! What does that suggest? That Argentina has a valid claim to these islands?

    The case is hilarious, to most people outside of Argentina! How brainwashed and poorly educated you all are. Your President need only wave a flag in your faces and you will march (or more likely cheer the marchers) to the sound of jackboots! No wonder you have had successive military and neo-fascist dictatorships! No wonder Argentina has been a proxy state of America for so long!

    All the people of Argentina care about are soccer and the Falkland Islands!

    You lost in 1982, you are going to continue to loose, until your foreign policy adapts to the real world, rather than a map of the world that never existed, other than in some childish imagination of the uber nationalists!

    You can not force your way into other territories at the end of a gun, ethnically cleanse the people - as most of you want to - and get away with it. The UN and the international community will not allow it. That's why Argentina's stance on the Falkland Islands is the worst possible stance Argentina could take.

    Time for you all to part-take in your daily dose of Los Malvina psychosis! Keep taking those tables, tune into your tv's, salute the flag and don't question reality! It's like INSOC 1984 Argentine style!

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] Benito-- JarretSmith

    Los Malvinas explains a group .
    Las Malvinas explains the whole Malvinas area.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 01:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Malvinas area?? Where's that then ?

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    85 NicoDin (#)-------
    “Imagine, imagine you lived on the Falklands, your ancestry is British, your language is English, your entire cultural identity is British and your biggest fear is a neighbor thousands of times bigger taking over everything. That, my friend, would be your biggest nightmare”

    Now imagine that neighbor is corrupt, that they wont listen to reason, think themselves above international law, are thieves of property, have invaded you once and would not hesitate to do so again, they are out of money with inflation in runaway mode, with poverty running riot.

    Scepticism surrounds Argentina poverty. figureswww.youtube.com/watch?v=i_q-7ilLgF8

    Inflating poverty in Argentina. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJLrvGpJjg&feature=relmfu

    Hungry in Argentina . www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_RnpwMDmL4&feature=related

    Middle Class Revolt - Argentina. www.youtube.com/watch?v=quY5d_XdoWU&feature=relmfu

    That is not a nightmare, that is like living next to the devil and his mates.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “Imagine, imagine you live in Argentina your ancestors are from many parts of the world your language is Spanish, your entire culture identity is Argentinean. And your biggest fears is a little island thousand of times smaller that gives unrestricted access to a Imperialist nation like UK that bombs and kills innocent people in many countries in the world just for oil and power aspiration.”

    We wouldn't need the islands to launch an attack on Argentina. Fail argument is fail.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    UN is not important! Where was UN in 1982? Supporting Britain! Whaere was US in 1982? Supporting Britain! Where was Eu in 1982? Supporting Britain! They are of no concern to us! When have they ever been of concern?
    Malvinas is Argentinian our claim to this islands. I know this fact - they will be cleansed of illegal occupation population soon you will be gone for ever!

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @95Filippo,
    Be quiet, man/woman, you are embarrassing.

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    FU Isolde!!! The people of the Malvinas are there illegally. The Argentine claim goes back to the Spanish claim and this was supported by Rome. England is a protestant country and in order to prevent Latin America being influenced by England Rome set down edict. Even though Britain claims Falkland Islands before Spain, their claim does not count. We landed on the island and set up a colony of 22 men, they would not leave until forced to by American ship. The population there now have been there ever since, they are like squatters and have no right to the land. That land is ours by devine right!

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Flip - if you think the Papal Bull entitles you to the Falkland islands then you are an idiota!

    Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    I really do think that Filippo is a Benny posing as an Argentine just to make them look bad.
    Nice one, chay, whoever you are; 'devine right' is a stroke of genius.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    A liitle 'divine right' is always useful. And God, of course, is an Englishman :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    And a very good morning to you too,Filippo.
    You are not an Argentine so why are you posing as one?
    As l said before, you are embarrassing(yourself & us).

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    @22

    How does a shelfish man look like?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Perhaps flipper is really [martin]
    The resemblance could be striking mmm

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    46 Seariousidiot:

    “No country can be created into another country who was independent before.
    its a UN principle”

    - Will you be renouncing Argentinas independence and breaking the country up along the lines of the vibrant indigenous kingdoms which existed long before Argentina, in line with this UN principle?

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    cacique rabanito
    indigenous kingdoms...jajajajaj
    you dont know nothing of natives, revolutions or of liberators dont get it
    all you know is of imperialism and colonies. we are on the other side
    natives fought for independence to be argentinians

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    how very wrong
    but as you say, argentina knows, everything ??

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    indigenous lived in communities they are called comunidades indígenas

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    so you are all [indigenous ] to argentina then [your words]
    if true you have nothing to worry about,
    have you .

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    l think Malen lives in a fantasy world where Argentina is ALWAYS right and has higher standards than anyone else.

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    argentinian arguments are better yes

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “natives fought for independence to be argentinians”#

    The natives died in argentina so you could be Argentinians.

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    42 Searinox
    “self determination over a territory is just to native people”

    Utter bollocks since several of the territories that are or were on the UN decolonisation list do not have native populations, some never had them as they were uninhabited when discovered by Europeans

    Currently on the UN decolonisation list 10 out of 16:

    Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Montserrat, Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena (inc Tristan da Cunha), Turks and Caicos Islands, and US Virgin Islands.

    Formerly on the UN decolonisation list 13 out of 35

    Antigua and Barbuda, Bahamas, Cabo Verde, Cocos Islands, Guadaloupe,
    Jamaica, Martinique, Mauritius, Réunion, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, and Seychelles

    46 Searinox
    “44 no country can be created into another country who was independent before.
    its a UN principle.”

    1) The Falklands are not and never have been part of Argentina

    2) The UN did not exist in 1833. The UN Charter and resolutions are not retroactive to a time when the UN did not exist.

    3)
    -Bangladesh from Pakistan
    -Eritrea from Ethiopia
    -Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia Hercegovina, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia from Yugoslavia
    -Several countries from the USSR.
    etc, etc

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ malen (#) you are obviously a socialist and would like to call us all indigenous. Truth is most of the indigenous of Argentina were killed by our forefathers long ago. I have no wish to be called indigenous, my family is 100% Italian-Argentine.

    @ dab14763 (#) who cares about this UN? They are controlled by the same Anglo-American imperialists who are to blame for all the worlds problems!

    Only the fittest will survive in the end.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @ Filippo

    Hey fur chiapa ches chi.

    1-Mi puoi dire come gli argentini chiamano gli italiani in la sua lingua?
    2-If you are from Germany the Italian call you in Italian...?
    3-How the Northern Italians call Italians from the south?

    Stop pretending to be Italian and less Argentinean please

    Du bist ein affe, Brutish
    : )

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Filippo, “los” Malvinas??

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @114NicoDin &
    @115Marcos,
    We don't want him, you can have him, what ever he is.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Isolde
    You don’t want him?
    You already have him

    Sorry

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    I was born in Córdoba 1992 and moved with my family to Montreal in 2001, then returned to Argentina in 2009. In Montreal, I learn about the British and how their colonialism has oppressed the entire world. In the center of French speaking Montreal there is the famous Trafalgar Square with Nelsons column in the center, this celebrating the defeat of the French and Spanish fleets in the heart of what is French Quebec! Above Trafalgar Square there flies the English flag with, in each quarter the symbols of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales! Regularly English Canadians come to Montreal to fight French Canadians who they hate. This is where I find out about British colonialism and this is why I wish to see all colonials removed from Malvinas!

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    If you are going to tell fibs Flip flop do a bit of research,Trafalgar sq LOL

    The Horatio Nelson statue that originally stood on top of Nelson's column in Place Jacques Cartier is now found at the Centre d'histoire de Montréal, after it was removed in 1997 to preserve it from the weather. A copy now stands atop of the column in Place Jacques Cartier

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ stick up your junta (#) Mr / Mrs Know All - it is called Trafalgar Square locally.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (118) Fillipo

    Your credibility as aan “EXPAT” (Excellent Patriotic Argentinean Turnip) seems to be disputed by some...................... (including me)

    Well………… You say that you were born in Argentina, lived here the first nine years of your life, emigrated with your Italo-Argentinean family to Canada and returned “Home” some two years ago............

    So……….. A “Patriot” like you should, under ”normal” circumstances, have a pretty good command of the Spanish language…..........Right?

    Why not prove all those ”Mr /Mrs Know-All” Brits (and this Argentinean) wrong by translating your own words below to Spanish ???

    **** “In Montreal, I learn about the British and how their colonialism has oppressed the entire world. In the center of French speaking Montreal there is the famous Trafalgar Square with Nelsons column in the center, this celebrating the defeat of the French and Spanish fleets in the heart of what is French Quebec!” ****

    Of course, I don’t expect you Turnip to succeed, but………..
    Good luck anyhow :-)))

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Britishbulldog

    Ah the battle of Trafalgar now that was one good arse kicking for the French, I wont mention the Spanish because their hearts were not in as usual.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    flippo
    i would suggest you either go back to school and learn the truth
    or log on to CBEEBEES, and give them the benefit of your vast experience .

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton2

    They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
    No-one you see, is smarter than he,
    And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
    Flying there-under, under the sea
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM
    very good .

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ Think (#) chupa pija

    En Montreal, yo aprender acerca de los británicos y de cómo su colonialismo ha oprimido al mundo entero. En el centro de, de habla francesa, de Montreal, se encuentra la famosa plaza de Trafalgar, con la columna de Nelson en el centro, este se celebra la derrota de las flotas francesa y española en el corazón de lo que hoy es Francia Quebec.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Think! I thought you'd gone after being so badly treated by Mercopress :-)

    FlipFlop - I said this before...... we don't count the French. It's a family thing! Good to know that they still fly the flag in Quebec though lol

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (126)

    I’ll have to be “cryptical” on this one, Mr. Hoyt………..
    I gave my word to behave!

    My “privileges” were momentarily removed by the wicked janitor but reinstated by the benevolent headmaster………

    My comments at post No. 0, about who “served the drinks” at Lincoln's Hill were apparently spot-on…................................................

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Seemingly innocuous. The sensitivity confuses me. Good drink servers are so hard to find these days :-)

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Chuckle chuckle…………….

    ”Textual” tranlsation of Filippo’s “Spanish” at No. (125) for the benefit of the Anglo monolinguals……………….

    ” In Montreal, I learning about the british and of how their colonialism has oppressed the entire world.
    In the center of of the French speaking of Montreal is the famous Trafalgar square, with the Nelson column in the center, this is celebrated the defeat of the french and spanish fleets in the heart of what today is France Quebec.”

    This Filippo Turnip can be many things ……….............
    But he is definitively NOT a Spanish speaking Turnip :-)))

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    “En el centro de, de habla francesa, de Montreal”

    :)

    Filippo's translation is hilarious. “Yo aprender”? Yeah, and “I be ForgetIt.”

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    It’s amazing how many losers turn to Spanish when hurt,
    Still the mother tongue is always the best, so they say lol.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (128) Hoyt

    Innocuous ???

    The drinks were heavily spiked :-)))

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    ”But he is definitively NOT a Spanish speaking Turnip :-)))”

    Yeah, we've all worked out that he's a Brit pretending to be an Argy.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ Think (#) you don't understand Spanish and you prove this! Cock sucker.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Cock sucker [flipper] please,,not in public lol.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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