The Argentine Government said it “deplores that, in a regrettable act of arrogance, the United Kingdom claims to have the authority to ‘put an end’ to the unresolved conflict regarding the Malvinas Islands sovereignty, a case that is currently being recognized by the United Nations.” Read full article
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Er.....Britain and Argentina have had peaceful relations since 1990, if Argentina would just put a sock in it and start treating us just like anyone else then there would be no further tension at all...the ball is in your court Argies. Just accept us for what we are.Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There, job's a good un, Bob's yer uncle.
That's not so hard is it?
Oh dear, how sad, never mind... :-)))))Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina has the total arrogance to invade a country that they have no rightful claim over.... and then continue to have the arrogance.... to continue the claim !Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The emo is strong in Argüello.Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Oh, like Argentina doesn't ignore General Assembly decisions...Jun 16th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Here's just one example:
And before they all start:Jun 16th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
1. Who took the unilateral step of writing formally into their Constitution that the Islands belong to them and must be recovered.
2 Who has stated publically that there can be One outcome only of any negotiations - the full sovereign handover of the Islands.
3. Who has stated publicly that the wishes of the Islands population are irrelevant?
Answer to all 3 = Argentina - who has long ago backed themselves into a corner that means there can never be any negotiations of the type envisaged by the UN and others.
http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/06/16/51925405.htmlJun 16th, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The Argentine Foreign Minister, Hector Timerman, recently accused the British of colonialism. How reasonable is that accusation?
The aim of 1982 war was too recover British territory from Argentine occupation and to show that it had nothing to do with Argentina; although it is close by to Argentina it did not belong to that country, that country had no hold on it, and it was just a case of showing that Britain wanted to protect what it owned. Argentina accused the Falklands of being a colony, but when the British landed here in 17th century there were no indigenous natives to take away the land, only nature was in charge, and we settled here. But with Argentina, the indigenous natives of Argentina – the Indians –they were killed off, there are no deep roots in Argentine people, they came from all over the place, mainly from Europe, and they settled in the Indian country, they killed the Indians. So, if anybody can be accused of colonialism, it is Argentina. We did not disturb anyone, we did not take the land away from anyone because there was no one here, so the Falklands remain absolutely British now, and we should hope they remain that way.
well my fellows argentines, UK never talk, they just know the war language.. it is pointless to open a dialogue, the unfriendly neighbour, thanks god they don't bother us anymoreJun 16th, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
8 Jefferson's soul-------well my fellows argentines, UK never talk, they just know the “war” language.. it is pointless to open a dialogue, the unfriendly neighbour, thanks god they don't bother us anymore.Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
-------- That's a fine sentiment coming from an Argentine, Argentina the country that illegally tried by force and invasion to take the Falklands that never belonged to Argentina in the first place. What an arrogant bunch of psychopathic pirates you all are.
What part of negotiation don't you understand. To negotiate two parties must want to negotiate over something, seeing Britain does not want to negotiate over the Falklands that is the end of the matter. Now you can rant and rave, cry, stamp your feet like the sad little girls that you all are, but the sad fact for you lot of arrogant psychopathic pirates is that you are not getting your grubby little hands on those Islands. You have ruined your own country with rampant inflation and poverty.
Scepticism surrounds Argentina poverty. figureswww.youtube.com/watch?v=i_q-7ilLgF8
Inflating poverty in Argentina. www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJLrvGpJjg&feature=relmfu
Hungry in Argentina . www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_RnpwMDmL4&feature=related
Middle Class Revolt - Argentina. www.youtube.com/watch?v=quY5d_XdoWU&feature=relmfu
Why on earth do you want to ruin someone elses country?
It is clear that David Cameron, the conflict has gotten out of hand. Now this on the agenda of global public opinion is evidenced by his desperate reaction.Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina has managed to grow global awareness of the conflict.
It really is a gesture of mediocrity and stupidity almost use the word the final point in the history of our Malvinas Islands.
Pathetic is the response of David Cameron, it is believed God, believes that the history of mankind is the exclusive property of the United Kingdom. He does not realize that a new stage of conflict.
As our president says very well: The Argentines never believed in the end points, or human rights, much less on our sovereign rights over Malvinas Islands and insisted that only mediocrity and arrogance can put an end the Argentine claim over the islands, under British rule since 1833.
Argentina's main weapon is the abandonment of the arms race and proceed with its proposal for dialogue, build consensus and international peace. This baffles David Cameroon increasingly more often have to explain to the world of politics is wrong turns on him.
Despite the nationalism that we both have if you look a history itself it doesnt make sense that the malvinas belongs to UK. Since that land belongs to the american indians first and them the civilized countrys took over them, as you can see around the world this is a matter of proximity, ergo Chile might be able to claim that malvinas are theirs but not UK.Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Also for the ones that said that the falklanders should pick the country, it doesnt make sense either otherwise if i was born in brasil but i like to be Greek i would be able to choose, the nationality is not a choise but a fact depending where were you born. The only reason why UK claims of this argument is because they dont have a better one, just come to think of history about Scotland or Wales... they did not have choise either, thats the way nationality works.
I think the main reason that UK doesnt give the island back is because of the strategic position that it has over south america and also the antartic continent. Even so, UK policy back on 18-19 cent was expansionist, that is why you can claim a land that is half a globe away from UK. The worst mistake that we (argentina) have done was enter on a war over the island, but also you have to take in consideration that we both were being rule by dictators that were not on the best shape at the moment. Thats another reason why UK enter the war. I still think that malvinas should be rule by Argentina, as a matter of common sense.
Since that land belongs to the american indians first and them the “civilized” countrys took over themJun 16th, 2011 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The islands had no native indians on them. They were uninhabited.
this is a matter of proximity
Fair enough. You live 400 km away from the islands. The islanders live ON the islands, they are closer.
UK claims of this argument is because they dont have a better one
Thats not our argument. Our argument is that the islanders are entitled to human rights and should have a choise in the government they want.
I think the main reason that UK doesnt give the island back is because of the strategic position
that is why you can claim a land that is half a globe away from UK
We don't claim anything, we own them. We've owned them for longer than any nation in history.
I still think that malvinas should be rule by Argentina
The PEOPLE living there disagree.
, as you can see around the world this is a matter of proximity, ergo Chile might be able to claim that malvinas are theirs but not UK.Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
The UN does not recognise Argentina's claim to the Falkland Islands get it right!Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina has no more right to the Falkland Islands, than I have to my next door neighbors property. Maybe, 20 generations ago one of my distant relatives landed in my neighbors back garden and claimed it as his property before he was kicked out by the police. That doesn't give me a legal claim to my neighbors property!
Reading the Argentine comments on here about ethnically cleansing the Falkland Islands and killing all the people on them I realise just what type of claim the Argentines have.
THE FALKLAND ISLANDS HAVE A GOVERNMENT THEY HAVE ELECTED AND A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UK THAT THEY WANT. REPLACING THAT WITH AN ARGENTINE ADMINISTRATION, AGAINST THEIR WISHES IS COLONIALISM.
Is Australia or Canada a British colony because Queen Elizabeth II is their head of state? I think not. Are Malaya or Singapore British colonies because we have defence agreements with them? No.
The days of colonisalism are over for Britain and for Argentina. The people of the Falklands get to vote for their government, Britain merely protects the islands from Argentine neo-colonial expansion. The UN, US, the Commonwealth and the EU fully support the UK. Latin America can go fuck itself and its oil interests.
What strategic position.Jun 16th, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
In 1982, we had 40 RM in the Falklands, the sole unit in the Falklands was HMS Endurance, there for 6 months of the year.
The British had zero strategic interest, they still have zero interest, the only, only reason for the garrison is to protect the islanders from a belligerent and vindictive neighbour ie Argentina.
British policy is not expansionist, the stated policy is to grant independence to any territory that wants it and to devolve Self-Government on all BOT to the greatest degree possible.
Some people need to get beyond the propaganda their Government is spoon feeding them.
11 mateychipaJun 16th, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The Falkland Islands don't 'belong to UK'; they belong to Falkland Islanders.We choose to be a British Overseas Territory because we are too small to defend ourselves, because our heritage is more British than South American, and because the British mainly leave us alone to get on with it.
And actually, the Scottish do have a choice. They will have a referendum fairly soon on whether to break up the union or not.
I'm still interested in the methods our Argentine friends would use to subjugate this unwilling population. During the conflict, the occupying troops used house arrest, deportation and child hostages, amongst other methods.
Given that we will never willingly submit to Argentine rule, how do you all see things working out?
I still think that malvinas should be rule by Argentina, as a matter of common sense.Jun 16th, 2011 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well that just goes to show how little of the latter you have mateychipa. Do you really believe that it is common sense that your personal opinion trumps human rights enshrined in international law?? If you do, you must either be brainwashed or very thick.
@ 9 ''-------- That's a fine sentiment coming from an Argentine, Argentina the country that illegally tried by force and invasion to take the Falklands that never belonged to Argentina in the first place. What an arrogant bunch of psychopathic pirates you all are.''Jun 16th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And you call us pirates, hahaha look yourself in the mirror first!!
The reasons for the British PrimeJun 16th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Quite funny. The Argies bang on for hours, months and years about the Islands and Cameron ended the argument in 30 seconds. This reaction by the Argie gvt shown how embarrassed they are and how powerless and ineffective their policy is.Jun 16th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Come on RKH!
saying the Falkland/Malvinas sovereignty expression is technicallyJun 16th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
faulty in politica language........already these islands' sovereignty have been adopted by UK right now !
self determination description is not realistic for Falkland Island
self determination description is realistic for Islas Malvinas !!
It is an impertinent act of arrogance of the Argentine GovernmentJun 16th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
that it does not pay its debts to German and other creditors since 10 years!
Despite of being condemned hundred and more times by German and other courts to do so they ignore their debts.
The Argentine Government is a gang of robbers that doesn´t care it´s internati0nal obligations. On top CK. So they don´t have any right to claim their rights against other people!
@5 J. A. Roberts I think you'll find that General Assembly resolutions are non-binding. Which is why Britain ignores all the GA resolutions that the Argies like to rely on. UN Security Council resolutions, however, are binding. Argentina ignored 502 and 505.Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@10 Raul What a shame your dipstick government doesn't take the matter to the International Court of Justice. Oh sorry. I forgot. You daren't do you? You wouldn't be able to cope with the worldwide laughter and ridicule.
@11 mateychipa. Try some real history. Instead of your stupid Argentine version. Britain arrived in the Islands in 1690. Long before your third world country was even thought of. The rest of your post is just garbage. By the way, starting from 1765, your country has had a presence there for less than 3 years. Whilst Britain has been present for more than 148 years. And the Falklanders don't want you.
So for the Argentine fools the reasons that the Islands are British are these: Prior discovery. Prior settlement. Agreement with Spain. Treaty with Argentina.
And no-one wants you.
UN is not important! Where was UN in 1982? Supporting Britain! Whaere was US in 1982? Supporting Britain! Where was Eu in 1982? Supporting Britain! They are of no concern to us! When have they ever been of concern?Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Malvinas is Argentinian our claim to this islands. I know this fact - they will be cleansed of illegal occupation population soon.
Ok... fair enough, i love the comments that 12 zethe (#) did.Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
In regards how good UK is protecting the lives of the people on malvinas, lets stay out of good and bad, because history sure disagree with it, i mind, that is not politics and if you think that UK or Argentina or anyother country on the world will do something because they are just good... i think you are not really thinking.
I do agree thought with a few things that were said, perhaps i could agree with the fact that malvinas could be a different country but not with the fact that is a colony of UK just because you guys are good (talking about the Goverment no intention to offend anyone particularly).
About the island close to uruguay that has to be with the fact that uruguay got independence later it was a state of Argentina/Brasil but since we couldnt agree on whom, they got free of both and started like a new country.
They did found pieces of arrows on malvinas, i dont remember reading about tribes thought so, i do have to give you a point... either way arrows minds that somebody was there somewhen, dunno if they were killed or just left. This has nothing to do with the current presidents, and again as i said, i could understand if the malvinos of falklander were fighting for independence, but here i think the topic is why a country that half world away got the rights, in matters of paper we do have the spanish ones but i know that according to what you study you got there first, so i wont argue with that. Anyways i do believe that they should be rule by argentina, and keep my argument that you dont pick your nationality but you are just born with it. And im not saying that you guys are bad whatsoever, neither do i believe that you are good. Last but not least, Tons of oil on malvinas, gas and a lot of resources... thats what makes an strategic place and also gives you part of the antartic continent if im not mistaken..
I really don't understand why the Kelpers insist in self determination and aserting that the Malvinas belong to them....Do they forget that these Islands first belonged to Spain, that ruled over what is now Argentina, and later when Argentina became an independent country, naturally this territory (the Malvinas) also became part of Argentina. In case they don't remember in 1833, when the UK pirates invaded the Islands, Argentina had people living there already. Just because you lived in a place ,that you took by force, even for many generations; it doesn't give you the right to now claim it as legally yours. BTW, Argentina NEVER stopped claiming rightfully since the eighteen hundreds over the Malvinas.Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Basically I'm saying that when you steal something from someone even if you keep it for a loooong time, that very thing still is not yours, especially when that someone never stopped asking you to give back what you stole...
@26Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Basically I'm saying that when you steal something from someone even if you keep it for a loooong time, that very thing still is not yours
The Conquest of the Desert (Spanish: Conquista del desierto) was a military campaign directed mainly by General Julio Argentino Roca in the 1870s, which established Argentine dominance over Patagonia, which was inhabited by indigenous peoples. The Conquest is commemorated on the 100 peso bill in Argentina.
either way arrows minds that somebody was there somewhen, dunno if they were killed or just leftJun 16th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
There were probably people there a long time ago in the past. When French and British settlers reached the islands there were no native population/s.
and keep my argument that you dont pick your nationality but you are just born with it
The islanders were born british.
In regards how “good
I never said anything about good or bad.
Do they forget that these Islands first belonged to Spain, that ruled over what is now Argentina
The first settlements on the islands(in recorded history) were French and British.
Just because you lived in a place ,that you took by force, even for many generations; it doesn't give you the right to now claim it as legally yours
So by your own logic you have no rights to live in Argentina?
25 mateychipaJun 16th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
We don't need to fight for independence because we would be given it any time we asked for it.We don't want independence because the time isn't right, and because we can't defend ourselves.
I have no intention of getting in to tedious discussion about who did what in 1833, or any other time, because you can find evidence and arguments to support whichever point of view you choose.
I'm still waiting for someone to come up with some kind of constructive suggestion for the future.
16 Monty69 (#) just read it, is a good point, but no one is doubting that it belongs to you, i dont live there it seems that you do, im sure that many people there would like to be part of UK and many would like to part of Argentina, it all depends of perspective. Anyways, boundaries are stablish based on landscape, that is why i do said that Chile MIGHT try to claim over the island, but there is no way that the UK could, if we ignore that huge factor i think something is wrong, because nothing prevents any other country to over a land using arguments like: Is better for them, they like to be part of us, or we were there first. Which is mainly the arguments that UK is using. And also just think about war on iraq... speaking about freedom... that doesnt make sense.Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And this is not double standards like a comment on top stated, im just trying to explain why it should be ours, without saying things like: You are a pirate, we are better, or you are a thirth world country while those statement might have some truth on it, it doesnt really add anything to debate, and i think thats what we need to do
Another slap in the face for Britain and Camerun, lately he looks like a Mexican Piñata.Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Cristina: “Los argentinos nunca creímos en los puntos finales, ni en derechos humanos ni en Malvinas”
La presidenta calificó los dichos de Cameron como “un gesto de mediocridad y estupidez”.
CFK bashes Cameron’s 'mediocre and almost stupid' remarks over Malvinas
Likewise, the President considered that the kind of attitude shown by Prime Minister Cameron “revel that the UK is a coarse colonial power”, and added, “Colonialism is an antiquity.”
I just saw your comment monty. I would not be so sure that you will be given your fredom as easily as you think, and them you said that you cannot defend youselves, i would love to know from whom, Argentina doesnt have military power what so ever, since the malvinas/falkland war the military has been almost dissmised, and in case that you get your indepence, it is not likely that at this moment on history Argentina could attacked you and not get any response from the rest of the world. And if im not mistaken you do have quite a bit of military power there althought it might be britishJun 16th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I would not be so sure that you will be given your fredom as easily as you thinkJun 16th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
All overseas territorys can hold a referendum and have independance whenever they like. Most British territorys gained independance like this.
i would love to know from whom
Currently they have nothing to worry about. If they was to be an independant nation Argentina would only need one ship and a few hundred men to take the islands. The islanders don't trust Argentina also for obvious reasons.
And we don't trust you for obvious reasons.Jun 16th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Well said Jeremy, you can be made honory citizen of the Malvinas after it's illegal population has been cleansed. You are a patriot of high honor. We in Argentina know a patriot when we see one.Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The people of the Malvinas are there illegally. The Argentine claim goes back to the Spanish claim and this was supported by Rome. England is a protestant country and in order to prevent Latin America being influenced by England Rome set down edict. Even though Britain claims Falkland Islands before Spain, their claim does not count. We landed on the island and set up a colony of 22 men, they would not leave until forced to by American ship. The population there now have been there ever since, they are like squatters and have no right to the land. That land is ours by devine right!
Dear Flipflop......devine right ? You poor ingnorant fool !Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
That land is ours by devine right!Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Take it up with God.
Hey Filippo, I do appreciate your support, although you might be going a bit over the top...Anyways...Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
For those who are saying the by my own logic, Argentina has no rights over the Patagonia or else...Nobody is claiming to Argentina anything to be returned. Many countries in the Americas expanded over the years (i.e. US)...the difference here is that no one is claming anything to those countries anymore, there fore you could infer that the situation is settled. On the case of Argentina/Malvinas/ UK, the first never ceased its claims to the latter. Also there are treaties (Nootka convention) between Spain and England over the sovereingty of the Malvinas, where it was recognized that these Islands belonged to Spain. Now if the English were not able to honour what they had agreed on...that's another story.
Argentina have never had the rights over the Falklands Islands because when the South American countries cut the links with Sapinsh Crown, they all kept the borders that they had at that moment, so from the Neuquen and Rio Negro provinces to the South were Chilean territory.....That mind that the islands, near to the Tierra del Fuego island (Chilean also at that moment) were property of the Republic of Chile and robbed by the Argentina by illegal occupation of the whole Patagonia and Tierra del Fuego Is. hwen Chile was finishing a war time in the northen borders against Peru and Bolivia.....Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
As conclussion, yes....Chile have more right to claim for the sovereignity of the Falklands Islands than Argentina.....but we respect the right of the falklaners to self determination......
Anyway, wy don't Argentina go to the ICJ to get an end point to this dispute(but this time try to respect the Court desition if is not right for you...!!!) ?????
So, Argentina........ have you the gutts enough to do so ????
Yea, .....right !!!!
Sergio, How's your business doing with Malvinas?Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Sounds like that the old parts(Rovers) business beteween Malvinas and Punta Arenas is not doing very well lately.
Tranquilo, when the Brits return the islands to Argentina that will change.
Sergio will have no business in the Mavlinas soon . Chile can take its nose out of our business! We will soon have Tierra del Fuego! Chile has never been robbed by Argentina, soon you will see what happens to our enemies! If we need to take our Chile before Malvinas let it be so!Jun 16th, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Filippo - are you about to load your catapults and pea shooters?Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina has two options and two options only.
1) Legal procedings - but it is unwilling to go down that route.
2) Forced removal - does nit have the capacity.
Argentina is up shit creak without a paddle. What a pathetic and powerless bunch!
Let the oil flow and the squid keeps being shipped to Brazil.
#38 Nootka Sound did not apply to the Falkland Islands. 400 kilometres is not 'adjacent'.Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
#39 Uti Possidetis Juris does not apply to the Falkland islands and is, in any case, controversial. Not recognised internationally (ie. outside S.America) untill after 1945. Not even accepted within South America until 1848. Argentina inherited nothing! Good question about the ICJ.
#44 Flipflop - you appear to be a mad dictator type that wants to conquer the world. Try and develop an intellect first.
Morning all. Another busy night I see. Usual cr*p from the Argies who still maintain a poor grasp of history. Let me try and make a point. If the British Government had been advised by their lawyers that there was any legal doubt about British Sovereignty, then the Prime Minister would not say that we have ' ..no doubts about ..' that sovereignty. Politicians do not like to paint themselves into a corner.
Argentines - do some research. Check out what you've been told. Too many lies. Brainwashed in school.
The Islands are British. Have been since before Argentina was a twinkle in a revolutionary's eye!
Nothing Argentina can do - so get used to it.
BeefJun 16th, 2011 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
The brits do not has any option , The only option is that the brits to return the Islands to original owners and to comply with the OAS, the Mercosur, the Summit of Latin American and Caribbean Countries and UN and the UNASUR, Argentina and Also USA, which are asking for a long time to sit down and negotiate and return our Malvinas islands. It is the only option they have ... It was understood! and Cameron can say whatever he wants but he is running out of support and not going to be able to resist international pressure !! Beeff, Sorry but Pirates. Go Home! It is true, mate! Sorry ...
un gesto de mediocridad y estupidezJun 16th, 2011 - 11:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Speak for herself. La mediocre princesa de plastica lleno de botox...
hey Redhoyt...I won't pretend here that I'm a historian or anything like it, but seeing in perspective 400km would be more than adjacent to, I'd say it'd be part of instead...compared with the 13,000 km (more or less) of distance between UK and the Malvinas..Jun 16th, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
About your Prime Minister...he, just like about any other politician in the world will say what people want to hear...
One more thing...the Islands ARE NOT British..and true, Argentina might not be able to do anything now, but that doesn't mean it will stop trying and making aware to other countries about this injustice...Just look at the U.S. now as a official signatory in the OAS (among other countries) calling on England to sit down with Argenitna and settle their differences...
calling on England to sit down with Argenitna and settle their differencesJun 17th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Yup, exactly settling their differences re the sovereignty dispute. Nobody, not even the OAS has said the Islands must be Argentine. They are perfectly entitled under international law to become independent. Yet, Argentina has enshrined only one outcome in their constitution. How is it possible to negotiate something which has been pre-determined?
Kiwi- read 47 above please. All OAS signatories and all the rest you list ahve done is ask that both countries negotiate over the dispute! USA etc have NOT signed up to transfer of Arg sovereignty!!Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Kiwi'arse - It's Argentina that has run out of options.Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
JeremyBender - I know that you are not an historian. otherwise you would know that the island's ARE British. You are no legal expert either, as 'adjacent' has to be in terms of the distance between the islands and the coast .. not the UK. Try reading http://www.falklandshistory.org/spanish4.pdf - you'll become more of a historian and know more about Nootka Sound.
The US action at the OAS is irrelevant. The State Department hasn't changed its position in decades, whatever the current political posturing.
Argentina cannot do anything now. Argentina has not been able to do anything since 1816. Argentina is not going to be able to do anything in the future! The islands are British - have been since 1765. Get used to it!
If the Argentine government really insists on its permanent willingness to restart negotiations in order to put and end to this sovereignty claim no doubt the British government would be delighted to negotiate. What the Argentine government really wants to do is to negotiate an agewwmwntas to when it will annexe these islands against the wishes of the inhabitants, but they are too dishonest to say so.Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Two bald men fighting for a comb / Dos pelados peleándose por un peine- J.L. BorgesJun 17th, 2011 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
To address such a delicate subject, I strongly suggest leaving ignorance aside: here's a great report on the Malvinas/Falklands past and present, for those willing to speak with foundations.
It's about time Argentine fascists left the Falkland Islanders alone to live their lies in peace, without the ever present threat of invasion, ethnic cleansing and the constant harassment of trade and commerce.Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
We have fought fascism before and we will fight fascism again if necessary!
It would however be better for the Argentine people to realise that their government has been lying to them over the Falkland Islands for decades. There is no valid historical Argentine claim to the Falklands, the UN does not recognise it, the Falkland Islands are recognised by every nation on Earth, the UN, EU, etc, etc... but not Argentina.
The same few greedy industrialist families, with homes in New York and LA and Buenos Aires, who have funded successive fascistic military governments in Argentina, want to take over the Falkland Islands and milk them dry! What they are not interested in, is their own people... their own people, get disappeared when they get restless!
#51 It is a pity that the article is inaccurate.Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
1) British sovereignty goes back to 1765 (and arguably 1690), not 1833.
2) The C-24 does not issue 'Resolutions'. It passes 'Draft Resolutions' to the Fourth Committee for consideration of recommending them to the UN General Assembly. There has been no UN GA Resolution since 1988.
3) Britain has not 'set its sights' on the Antartic. Our claim is merely frozen by the current Treaty and predates the claims of both Chile and Argentina.
4) Missile tests that take place every 6 months are indeed 'routine'. It makes sense to test the equipment. The Argentine protest to the UN fell on deaf ears as a result.
5) Britain's military objectives are quite clear - to protect British resources in British territories.
6) It does make sense to position a large number of troops in an area where normal lines of supply are extended and the neighbours are aggressive and occassionally invasive (1833 & 1982)!
7) The issue of 'self determination' is not 'tricky' when it has been clearly defined by the UN Charter. The islands were empty when the British arrived (we never count the French :-) Nobody to displace, colonisation was perfectly natural.
Overall the innacuries defeat the article's objective of a serious consideration of what is at stake. The author is correct in that much of the importance of a British presence in the south Atlantic is due to the Antartic. But she fails to recognise that Britain also has the very seperate islands of South Georgia and South Shetland, which provide the access to Antartica regardless of what the Falkland islander's decide to do over independence. Argentina has never forwarded any coherent argument for its claim over South Georgia or the SSI's.
Geography as an argument under international law was eliminated by the Islas de Palmas case in 1928. Neither Argentina, nor any oter south cone country has any right to prevent Britain's presence in the south Atlantic.
@51 Clear enough.Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Britain successfully colonized the islands in 1833, 26 years after two unsuccessful attempts to capture Argentina’s capital, Buenos Aires. At the time, a tiny gaucho population under the authority of Argentine colonel, Jose Maria Pinedo, inhabited the islands. The colonel was asked to remove the Argentine flag, replace it for a British one, and get lost. Without the numbers to mount any defense, he obeyed, and the islands have been under British control ever since.
But applying the principal of “self-determination” becomes tricky when the population is made up of the same colonizing force that seized the islands
Clear enough .... and, in fact, wrong!Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Nothing 'tricky' about it :-)
in 1833, 26 years after two unsuccessful attempts to capture Argentina’s capital, Buenos AiresJun 17th, 2011 - 06:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Well, 26 years before 1833 Argentina did not exist, so I fail to see how BsAs could have been its capital...
That alone gives an indication of the quality of research Francesca Fiorentini did before writing her article. She should really try harder not to fall for Argentine government propaganda. So much for an indendent publication. More like a lap-dog for the Casa Rosada.
How about this for an answer to all this trouble, seeing that the British were in that area long before Argentina the people in the Falklands could take over Argentina and made the Argentina people British. Yes the more I think about it I think that's a good idea and we can start negotiating right away to take over the running of Argentina, I am sure that the people that live in Argentina would not mind. Just think of the advantages, our way of living, our culture, our monetary system, no more poverty like they have now, no more wicked witch of the South, the area would be stabilized, and for the first time ever no more inflation, and and this is the best bit for all of you, you would all be under the protection of the British armed forces, you would have at last an armed force to be proud of. Done and dusted as they say lets talk about it, you know it makes sense.Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
RG bitch....'yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap ...............Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
RG bitch and all the other mongrel RG dogs ...' yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap......
ho hum... yawn... maybe she will be debarked sometime soon....
Talk,talk,talk. usual rubbish from the Argentines.Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
l couldn't even be bothered to try to refute their lies & propaganda.
Just, they are our lslands,not yours.
They have never been Argentine,
They never will be Argentine.
And yes, what a handy base for Antarctica(which is NOT Argentine either).
I love how Argentina pretends its got the backing of the UN when the UN states that ”The world”s 16 remaining territories that still do not govern themselves must have complete freedom in deciding their future status. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Argentina is deluded if it thinks the UN is going to overturn one its founding principles especially since its claim is based on the conquests of a convicted pirate who tried to force his dominion a preexisting settlement.
The debate seems to have plunged to new depths of feebleness on this thread.Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
New depths of feebleness have been plumbed by the RG guvment more like it...Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
British Prime Minister David Cameron . . . . said “ . . . is not negotiable; period”.Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
A period is something better remembered by CFK,
A Full Stop is the word REAL Brits use - especially in Parliament.
Hansard will correct his US-Speak.
Argüello also restated that Britain’s position in the UN’s Security Council should be “reconsidered,Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
So let us go the way Argentina wants, and great Britain on argentines say so, thus gives up its seat, [what would happen next]
Britain would no longer be obliged to send troops or any other military assistance to others, , no longer perhaps obliged to listen to any resolution’s [like Argentina does now]
with Britain off the agenda how many other countries would step in and cover the absent British, would Argentina pick up the gauntlet and carry the flag, , or would once again she would just be laugh at, made a fool of and totally ignored, Argentina does not understand what she says, all she is interested in is the Falkland’s,,Falkland’s she is becoming obsessed with them, and this shows, you how stupid and ignorant backward and childish she sounds to the world,
the sooner perhaps Argentina breaks up into smaller regions the better for the world, for as long as she is one long streak of piss, she will always be trying to piss on other people, , grow up or shut up, foollll
The problem with Arguello's remark is that it can be appied to the majority, if not all, of the Security Council - the USA (Puerto Rico, American Samoa, Swains Island, etc), Russia (Kuril Islands, Ukatny Island, Sarych, etc ), China (Tibet, Aksai Chin, Demchok, Paracel Islands, etc ), France (French Guiana, Bassas de India, Gloriosso Islands, Mayotte etc) !!Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Complicated world aint it ?
unless of course your argentine, then its very simple,Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
argentina is the perfect model of innocence, they can do no wrong, always in the right, argentina a joke or a fool lol.
66 briton (#)------ Or both.Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Your right,Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
And she said The British attitude shows their disregard for international law,, and this from a country that totally ignored international law, and invaded an innocent peaceful country, took innocent hostages,
Was responsible for a great many deaths, then has the bloody cheek to blame us, [international law, , Argentina does not know what law is ??
68 briton--------The Wicked Witch of the South is one piece of work isn't she. Argentina the country is the Pariah of the Latin Americas, Nothing more or nothing less than a terrorist country that should have been put down in 82. The Wicked Witch of the South showed he true colors when that Nutter Chavez ran his grubby little fingers up her leg and she wet herself in her haste to pant in his ear a few months ago.Jun 17th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Your right on the button when you said Argentina does not know what law is, and never will until it gets shut of people like the Wicked Witch of the South.
How the innocent law abiding citizens in Argentina put up with it all is beyond me!!!! Wait though don't they throw those sort of people out of planes and into the sea and make them disappear so they wont complain.
@69 NO !!! and let me explain .........Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Wait though don't they throw those sort of people out of planes and into the sea and make them disappear so they wont complain......
Those are the ones that survived and are running the country now !! You britts have the whole story upside down...
70 Artillero601 Nice one mate , that explains it all, they must have landed on their heads and when they missed the sea and landed in the sand. I can see it now, the Wicked Witch of the South head first in the sand with her legs in the air shouting you bastards I will get you get for this! and she did. :))))Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) !!!!!!!!!!Jun 18th, 2011 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
When does the invasion start?Jun 18th, 2011 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
IsoldeJun 18th, 2011 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Relax Girl.. I think you need a real Latin macho boyfriend!!!!
Isolde,Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
swim with belugas and all becomes possible.
Do they have up to date maps, or will they end up in Chile or brazil or the south pole,Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Or better still i bet their navy can’t even find the entrance to the harbour lol
@74Kiwisarg,Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
l'm very relaxed & l have all that l need.
But thank you for your concerns.
l've swum with dolphins.
@77 .... and you look like the lady in the picture?? How fast can I get to the Islands from Texas ???? lol!!Jun 19th, 2011 - 03:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Apparently she wanted to add David to her Barbie doll collection,Jun 19th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
But as he was having none of it, she got abusive like a spoilt child,
Just because, when she talks to her very own government people,
They remind her of own little doll collection,
Well that’s what i heard, mmmm
@78Artillero601,Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
At least as good, so l've been told.
@ lsolde (#) I think you are suffering because you have only gay people in England!Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@80Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
I'm in love already .....
@ lsolde (#) you look like David Camoron? I think I will leave her to you Artillero601, I see too many British in drag.Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
And there was I thinking that BA was the gay capitol if the world :-)Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@83 Filippo,Jun 20th, 2011 - 08:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Good morning, troll.
Whats wrong with men in drag? l think it looks funny in a nice kind of way.
Are you coming out yet?
@ lsolde (#) because you have been brainwashed by your liberal socialistic media to believe this is right! But I do not believe you would find such men attractive.Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
flipperJun 20th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
read the britannica, or the times history of the world,
then come back in about 20 years time .
They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
No-one you see, is smarter than he,
And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
Flying there-under, under the sea
have a nice day .no offence intended lol
Devolvieron Hong Kong a China, en cuestión de tiempo para que devuelvan Las Malvinas.Jun 21st, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
was that [hong kong in china]Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
or king kong over china ??
He is saying you return Hong Kong to China without a problem and now you should return Las Malvinas.Jun 22nd, 2011 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
He does not say this but I will, your government should pay for your colonial citizens compensated and returned to England. We know you did not do this for your colonial citizens in Zimbabwe! But if necessary we will do same as Mugabe and have our veterans occupy the land !
@ Marcos AlejandroJun 22nd, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
“Another slap in the face for Britain and Camerun, lately he looks like a Mexican Piñata.”
Master you are magnanimous : )
@91Flipper,Jun 22nd, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
l, personally invite you to try it.
l could quite easily gut-shoot you & just walk away.
93 lsoldeJun 22nd, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
uahau!!! Lady, You are not so polite!!!
I see some kind of love here between Isolde and Flipo.Jun 22nd, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
I’m just concern about some domestic violence in this couple. It is just my perception or what?
Do you think guys that this will counts for Brits or Argies statistics?
If Isolde shoot Flipo the headlines will say British wife angry shot to death his fake Argie husband after a domestic discussion about what flag to rise on liberation day, obituary will be publish in Penguins News RIP.
Ha ha ha
I’m just concern about some domestic violenceJun 22nd, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Yes it is quite nasty in Argentina
Do you think guys that this will counts for Brits or Argies statistics?Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
It would count as a British statistic, as Filippo is a Brit pretending to be an Argy.
If flipper had a brain, he just might be humanJun 22nd, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
But like his stupid bloggers, he has no clue, but to condemn whom they cannot compete with,
Thieves conmen and fools all 4 of them.
Let’s make 50/50 just in case I wouldn’t like to feel responsibly to ruin your wonderful statistics on this matter. : )Jun 22nd, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
@99NicoDin,Jun 23rd, 2011 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Just how many men do you want me to marry, Nicholas? Thats about the 4th you've lined me up with.
l'm sure my partner wouldn't be amused.
Thats how you talk to idiots, Kiwi.
& l never said that l was a lady.