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CFK describes PM Cameron’s Falklands’ statement as “mediocre and almost stupid”

Friday, June 17th 2011 - 06:37 UTC
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Argentine President Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, CFK, described UK Prime Minister David Cameron’s emphatic refusal to discuss Falklands/Malvinas Islands’ sovereignty as “mediocre and almost stupid” and promised to continue indefatigably with the claim in all world forums. Read full article

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  • Redhoyt

    ” ... I define them as mediocre and almost stupid...”

    But blunt and to the point surely :-)

    “ ... the Argentine president stated that “it’s ridiculous to hold sovereignty of something that’s 14,000 kilometres away ....”

    There you go .... geography again! Someone should tell Cristina about the 1928 Islas de Palmas case.

    ” ... “The UK pretends to have the authority to put an end to a history chapter referred to a sovereignty dispute acknowledged by the UN and still pending a solution”...”

    Err, I don't think we are pretending. We said much the same to the Fourth Committee last year. In fact we stated that ALL of our remaining BOT's should be removed from the decolonisation list. Can't see the problem, after all it would remove the majority of the C-24's work in one go, and as the C-24 are only empowered to assist territories towards independence you'd have thought they would be happy about that :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    It is well known that Britain does not acquiesce to terrorist demands or threats made against the country so here comments can only be described as stupid. If she thinks that they will benefit her one can only conclude that either she is stupid or that she thinks that Argentines are stupid and will gain domestic political support by beating the nationalist drum.

    Her promise to “to continue indefatigably with the claim in all world forums” is a lie.
    If it were true she would take the case to the ICJ which is the only body able to pass judgement on the issue – but she doesn’t because she would lose.

    How long before she realises that Britain is laughing at her, the Falklanders are laughing at her and the rest of the world is simply humouring her to achieve their own political concessions from Argentina.

    The joke is on you CFK.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    That woman holds a PhD in arrogance. She should know...

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    PhD in 'mediocrity and stupidity' as well....

    Rest of the world humouring her? rest of the world doesn't even know she exists.......

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    her excellency CFK says correctly that....

    ..emphatic refusal to discuss Fakland/Malvinas Islas ' sovereignty as
    “ mediocre and almost stupid ” and promised to continue indefatigably
    with the claim in all these forums ..

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I'm surprised she's not on this forum banging on about pirates and bad teeth.

    Maybe those contributions are government sanctioned - they seem par for the course.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    #6 Maybe she is !

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    And she said also “a silly former colonialist power in decadence and demode”

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    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    #1 Redhoyt, you are right about the issue of contiguity (so I think that CFK's argument here is not based at law), but I don't think citing Las Palmas helps you...

    ”Under the Palmas decision, three important rules for resolving island territorial disputes were decided:

    * Firstly, title based on contiguity has no standing in international law.
    * Secondly, title by discovery is only an inchoate title.
    * Finally, if another sovereign begins to exercise continuous and actual sovereignty, (and the arbitrator required that the claim had to be open and public and with good title), and the discoverer does not contest this claim, the claim by the sovereign that exercises authority is greater than a title based on mere discovery.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_Palmas_Case

    ...so, yes the first one doesn't help Argentina. Point two doesn't really help anyone as the history of discovery is significantly contestable (British, Spanish, French, Dutch?) and besides is only “inchoate” (Incomplete).

    Point three is where Britain's claim falls over. “Continuous and actual” sovereignty was being exercised by Argentina until they were marched off the islands by Onslow in 1833.

    No point citing case law that doesn't help your case Redhoyt. How about the ol' “facts on the ground” chestnut? Borrow a few Israeli lawyers perhaps?

    Las Malvinas son Argentinas...but don't worry perhaps just like James Peck and I you can be a dual citizen...

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    9 British-Argentine

    ”* Finally, if another sovereign begins to exercise continuous and actual sovereignty, (and the arbitrator required that the claim had to be open and public and with good title), and the discoverer does not contest this claim, the claim by the sovereign that exercises authority is greater than a title based on mere discovery.” en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_Palmas_Case

    Point three is where Britain's claim falls over. “Continuous and actual” sovereignty was being exercised by Argentina until they were marched off the islands by Onslow in 1833.“

    Actually this is where you are wrong point 3 actually backs up Britians claim.

    As stated point 3 would only be valid for Argentine claim if ”and the discoverer does not contest this claim” BUT Britain did contest Argentina's claim on the islands through the correct diplomatic procedure of the time. This is fact and well documented.

    It was only AFTER Argentina ignored Britians official diplomtic protest that more direct means were taken to remove the Argentine garrison, but ONLY the Argentine garrison. The settlers were allowed to stay if they wished and alot most of them did.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    “”Point three is where Britain's claim falls over. “Continuous and actual” sovereignty was being exercised by Argentina until they were marched off the islands by Onslow in 1833.”

    If this Point were invoked wrt Argentina, Argentina would just comprise Greater B.A..

    I'm no lawyer, Br-Ar & Red,
    but I always look for parallels to test people's assertions:

    Is Belgium any less Belgium because it was briefly taken over by the Fascist 3rd Reich during WWII?
    No, it reverted to its old status once the Germans were thrown out.

    Continuity was not the issue;
    neither was the historic claims to Belgium raised and occasionally exercised by other European states since before Roman times.

    And equally so with the Falklands, following the 1982 hiatus.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    So you are claiming that the plaque left behind asserting sovereignty is good enough? See point 2...if discovery is considered incomplete, then leaving a plaque is even less complete! Does this mean that the dutch can claim Western Australia thanks to Dirk Hartog?

    Just as the British “allowed” the gauchos to stick around, I am sure that the Islanders will not be forced out by Argentina. In fact to do so would be criminal. Just send Her Maj's Royal Navy back home...or perhaps to the Middle East...I'd prefer a home port actually, but these things are rarely the choice of the average voter.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stillakelper

    I expect she is angry. After all, where is the statement of support from Ban Ki Moon following his visit. Very conspicuously missing.....what did he say to them I wonder ? Shouldn't we be told ?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    “Cristina Fernandez on the campaign trail, expected to announce re-election bid next week”

    This is the only reason for her obsessive behaviour regarding the Falklands. Distract the masses and maybe they won't challenge her on real issues like poverty, child labour, corruption, inflation. The issues a President should be using all their energy to address. JMO

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    #11 An ad hitlerium argument...really? The saying in academic circles is that this is when you have lost the debate...

    I am talking about the initial British invasion of 1833. This is the action that led us to where we are today. There was already an Argentine colony there and they were marched off the Isles.

    1982 was a travesty created by Gorillas who were out of touch and about to be overthrown by the people...and we all know that Thatcher only cared because she was about to be thrown out in an election until she sent us to war.

    The '82 stupidity is not what I was referring to on the continuity issue, you are diverting attention from the legal argument. We could then go on to have a useless debate about Britain winning two world wars, the “falklands”, and one world cup, then someone could mention Argentina's two World Cups and the Mano de Dios...not interested.

    It is a legal question of sovereignty, and it is about an anachronistic colonial outpost.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    # 15 “I am talking about the initial British invasion of 1833. This is the action that led us to where we are today. There was already an Argentine colony there and they were marched off the Isles.”

    The 'colony' you speak of was actually a rpivate venture of Louis Vernet who had appied for and received British permission. The actual invasion was when Argentina placed a garrison on the island an act which went against British soveriegnty of the islands.

    This act was first protested diplomatically. Argentina ignore the protest and so more direct means were taken. There was now British invason in 1833. You can't invade your own soveriegn territory.

    All of this is irrelevant anyway as the soveriengty dispute was settled in 1850 with the Argentine signing of the conversion of settlement and friendship where ALL differences between Argentina and Britain were resolved.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Legion is correct. The British made their settlement between 1765 and 1774. When they left, the appropriate marks and signs were left behind to continue sovereignty. Sovereignty having been establish, it cannot so easily be lost!

    There was no British invasion in 1833. Britain had given Vernett permisssion and so was exercising control/administration prior to 1832. The settlement that was there had British support and Vernett was reporting back to London.

    The Argentina garrison that arrived in October 1832 was the first officially Argentine group to land and the first to raise the Argentine flag. Less than 3 months later they were invited to leave again when the British arrived to reinforce their existing sovereignty. Things took longer to accomplish in those days and 2.5 months is not sufficient for the Argentine claim to surmount that of the British.

    I believe that the legal argument is ours. Any other belief must lead to the ICJ !

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    ahead of next week’s local elections...........Ah Ha..... and maybe the Cancillería should be renamed the Casatero

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stakeholder

    @15 British-Argentine, same nationality as me, supposedly. So why do I feel threatened and why am I not given a choice in the matter?

    Anyway, I notice you do the same convenient thing all Argentines do when faced with the reality of the 1982 conflict - you dismiss it as an unimportant, irrelevant act by an out-of-touch government. Funny how the Argentine government of 1833 is considered so much more 'in touch'. And you call the British anachronistic...

    “It is a legal question of sovereignty” You obviously don't care about the islanders at all. You say they would be allowed to stay. Very kind of you, but if you care so little about us as to not ask us what we want, that leaves me with serious doubts about how we would be treated in the future.

    Can't you see? Your attitude of respecting the best interests, not necessarily the wishes, of the islanders is exactly the same as the imagined colonial situation you perceive is taking place with the British. It was like that in the 70's, but not any more. We don't want to go backwards.

    I would ask you why the while thing matters so much to you, but I can see it has no personal resonance with you at all. Come and visit the islands (and not just Stanley) before saying you know what is best for us. I've seen a lot of Argentina.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    For a would-be President, the Lady uses words that are not an argument: “Mediocre and stupid” is classic projection. Sad. Still falling back on supposed history, instead of asking the Falklands people, directly, what do they want. The answer is there. Democracy rides on the self determination principle. What kind of government does the Lady promise? That's for you Argentinians to decide: “Decide” is founded on the right to choose; not to be defined and arbritarily imposed. Or is that what you and the Lady want? History is important, but nations evolve in freedom to choose self determination; if they choose that, they have a meaningful vote. Some vote with their emotions entirely, not with their heads.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    She's given the British press a wonderful opportunity to wind the whole thing up though. The British public will be baying for Cristina's head soon !

    I love it when a plan comes together, but when the opposition acually help .... wow :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stillakelper

    Wonder if Mrs K was listening to Obama in Puerto Rico. Self determination, self determination, self-determination. Why worry about some meaningless pap in a meaningless organisation (OAS) when the real message is always clearly there to see - self determination is what rules clear and principled thinking in these situations.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    Did she really say 'human rights'? I think she did. Whose 'human rights' is she referring to? Not ours obviously.

    And why, if you really wanted someone to negotiate with you would you call them 'mediocre and stupid'? Unbelievable.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    I expect this drum to beat louder and louder up until the presidential elections at the end of the year.

    Makes you wonder who the stupid one is in all this.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    quite frankly Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner is a complete fool and an idiot, a very stupid woman who would like her predecessors [dictators] will , drag Argentina to war, on a flight of fantasy, she won’t go to the icj, or whatever it pleases,, but the British today are all behind Mr Cameron, A THIEF IS A THIEF no matter what country she is from,
    The site below has numerous replies over this,

    I understand Ms. De Kirchner said that Britain was “a crass colonial power”. Maybe I'm wrong, but surely a colonial power is one that seeks to control territory and populations that are are not part of its own native lands. Like Argentina then?
    , it is very worthy of Kirchner to return to Spain, along with other Spanish speaking and descended Argentinians, and give the country back to the native South Americans.

    I wonder if the 'Mothers of the Disappeared' consider Argentina's 'Human Rights' record something to be proud of? Or perhaps the survivors of the Holocaust who watched as their persecutors were given sanctuary there!
    If Britain's 'Colonial' past was so terrible, why is it that today, free nations that were never even part of 'The Empire' are happy to join the Commonwealth, Mozambique for example. Cameron is right, no question about it.
    http://www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=16636

    ..

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    #23 Monty69

    A bit of context here Monty, when the toff (sorry, err Cameron) used the term “Period”, this term is translated to “punto final” in spanish. The “Ley de Punto Final”, or ”Full Stop (period) Law” gave amnesty to the criminals who ran the dictatorship for all of their Human Rights abuses.

    When Cameron used the term, it poked a finger in the wound of Argentines, and hence the reaction (and the reference to Human Rights).

    What I love is the reaction that CFK gets from the crazies on this site. She (and her husband) have done more for human rights than almost anyone else on the planet, the gorillas deserve to be behind bars after 30, 000 dead. The Kirchners have significantly reduced poverty, rapidly grown the economy, and moved Argentina towards greater regional integration.

    This is the best government that Argentina has had...queue the Anti-Argentine/Anti-Kirchner rants...now...

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    Actually there's a world of difference btw brits in Malvinas (Kelpers) & Argentines. When Argentina was under control of Spain, inhabitants were always in favor of overthrowing Spanish Gvt (indigenous people, native RG's, wanted to be independant) very unlike Malvina's situation. See the difference? Will kelps ever recognise that? Sure not, GB is in their arses, because they obviously have other interests. I mean, c'mon! Do you really think they care about self-determination of kelpers?. It's quite clear now, bennies are too naive.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    BadWeather - Yes, they do care about their right to self determination. What you don't understand is that one of the options available to them is to CHOOSE to be British.

    Brutish-Argentine - given up on the legal/historical arguments?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    Not at all red. just don't think it is going to go anywhere with a bunch of drum beating Tory's ;)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    By their very own constitution and argument, they could not get the Falkland’s,
    because if they ever did, by this corrupt way of doing things, the British would instigate their own argument and rules against them, and get the Falkland’s back and Patagonia possibly, , talk abt stupid, ,
    Your own arguments, kill your own chance of getting g them, fools

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    It isn't ... the argument has already been lost by Argentina.

    Argentina's refusal to take its spurious version of history to the ICJ seals it!

    The Falklands have been British sovereign territory for 246 years.... about time you got used to it!

    Pass that drum :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    RetHoyt - Kelps never opted to be British, they've always been British!

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    26 British-Argentine
    Thanks for that. I can now find at least one reason for her words. However, the fact remains that neither David Cameron or almost anyone else in either the UK or the Falkland Islands would have any idea of the mystical significance of the word 'full stop' in Argentina. To us it's just punctuation, a fact which CFK would know perfectly well.

    It's very easy to find offence if you're looking for it, but I still think it's not very constructive. You might not like David Cameron, but I can't see him or any other British minister calling a foreign head of government 'mediocre and stupid'.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    A referendum! Good idea. Worked for the Gibraltarians a few years back :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    The drum-beating is being orchestrated by CFK to ensure her re-election.

    When I talk to Argentines they are far more concerned with the underinvestment in public services, corruption, 3 million living in slums in Buenos Aires, rising crime, inflation, and so on. These are real and pressing problems. Never do I hear people raise The Islands as a priority problem.

    Argentines deserve so much more than a grand-standing, populist President who is an embarrassment to her country.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    Why the hell would someone do a referendum when the outcome is perfectly known? It seems your thoughts are not working properly, perhaps lack of synapses?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    The Gibraltarians knew what the result would be! That's the best kind of referendum :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 9 -- 12 -- 15 -- 26 -- 29

    wellcome Sn Peck !

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    “Why the hell would someone do a referendum when the outcome is perfectly known? It seems your thoughts are not working properly, perhaps lack of synapses? ”

    This has to be one of my favourite posts on here for a long time.

    The lack of self awareness displayed is breathtaking

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    Way to go Ret! keep doing it, seems you are going to make it. Take your ideas to the govt (sure they will be welcomed), run at London!

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    What! Don't you believe me? A well timed referendum is indeed a dangerous weapon :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    35 ElaineB Don't worry girl, you can't vote for her anyway, we can and we will.
    Keep the good job Cristina!

    “Britain a 'crude colonial power in decline', says Argentina's president Cristina Kirchner”
    “Mr Cameron's remarks come as a Falkland Islander whose father helped British forces fight Argentina during the 1982 war gave up his British passport for an Argentine national identity card in the first case of its kind”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8581447/Britain-a-crude-colonial-power-in-decline-says-Argentinas-president-Cristina-Kirchner.html

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    ”A bit of context here Monty, when the toff (sorry, err Cameron) used the term “Period”, this term is translated to “punto final” in spanish. The “Ley de Punto Final”, or ”Full Stop (period) Law” gave amnesty to the criminals who ran the dictatorship for all of their Human Rights abuses.”

    Gosh, I have always know that Argies are paranoid, but really, above just takes that cake! Talk about 1+1=5. No wonder you guys have more shrinks per capita than any other country...

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    “Mr Peck believes the Falklands should belong to Argentina. ”Today it's a day to forget the resentment of the past,“ he said. ”My life's here and that's why I'm here in my children's country, which is my country too now.”
    Amen

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8581447/Britain-a-crude-colonial-power-in-decline-says-Argentinas-president-Cristina-Kirchner.html

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    The impression I get of Mr Peck, he should fit in very well in his new country. Rather you than us!

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    British-Argentine @ #15

    “An ad hitlerium argument” - you misunderstand the use of Godwin's Law, and invoke it here wrongly;
    surprising, since you claim to understand academic circles.

    If you don't like Belgium-Greater Germany-Belgium, just insert the name of any nation temporarily overrun through invasion by another and then subsequently reclaimed.
    There are thousands during the ebb and flow of recorded history.

    Use Roman Gaul (500 years!), or Deutsch-Südwestafrika (a mere 30 years), if you want - or is this for you also Godwin's German case-law ; )

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    I'm aware of that referendum, what you don't see (like idledum) is that it's absolutely worthless to do, since self-determination - knowing the fact that C-24 classified Malvinas as a Colony - does not apply, making the outcome irrelevant.
    What difference you notice in Gibraltar before and after the referendum? NONE, that's how important it is...

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    #47 - You are quite wrong. The result was stunning. Prior to the referendum, the Labour Government was on the verge of selling Gibraltar out in a joint sovereignty deal. And after?

    “ ... British Parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee in 2008, Jim Murphy MP, Minister of State for Europe, stated: “ The UK Government will never — ”never“ is a seldom-used word in politics — enter into an agreement on sovereignty without the agreement of the Government of Gibraltar and their people. In fact, we will never even enter into a process without that agreement. The word ”never“ sends a substantial and clear commitment and has been used for a purpose. We have delivered that message with confidence to the peoples and the Governments of Gibraltar and Spain. It is a sign of the maturity of our relationship now that that is accepted as the UK's position ....”

    Big difference. And it remains an option for the islanders.

    The C-24 is increasingly irrelevant. Watch this space....... around next week and the aagin come October :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    “on the verge of selling Gibraltar out in a joint sovereignty deal”

    source?

    Smells like adjusting truth to your own will. No wonder why GB still has spread territories around the world stating that empire expired. How naive can a person be? Apparently bennies take the lead...

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • razor654321

    I'm telling you, not many Argentinos care about the Falklands. CFK as well as many other Argentino politicians use this as part of their platform for elections. It gives them something to get the people riled up about. The only reason they might truly care about it is for any natural gas or oil reserves that would be in the water around the islands. Other than that, I think the corruption that is pervasive in every level of Argentine politicians, police, etc. is much more on the minds of the every day Argentino... inflation, etc. Argentina is a very interesting country with a lot of great people, but man there are many many many problems the country has to tackle without worrying about some islands.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Idlehands

    “What difference you notice in Gibraltar before and after the referendum? NONE, that's how important it is... ”

    Another display of breathtakingly false logic. It appears that your idea of a referendum is that voters must vote for change or it is irrelevant. Do you not even understand the basic principles of democratic votes?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tte Estevez

    Cristina is rigth,in calling an idiot.She is not the only one(although she referred to an statement),the whole david,is considered as such by the brits;
    “David Cameron is like a hollow Easter egg, with no bag of sweets inside. He's nothing. He's no oneDavid Cameron is an idiot. A simpering, say-anything, dough-faced, preposterous waddling idiot with a feeble, insincere voice and an irritating tendency to squat near the top of opinion polls. I don't like him”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/02/comment.conservatives
    Sign up facebook: david cameron is an IDIOT!
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/02/comment.conservatives

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    # 49 - “ ... secret talks between Britain and Spain culminated in 2002 with an announcement by Jack Straw in the Houses of Parliament that both countries had agreed to share sovereignty over the territory ...”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002

    Actually I recall it very well, you must be young !

    And the British are an island people ... we can be found on islands all around the globe :-)

    “ ... How naive can a person be?...”

    If you believe that Argentina will ever get its grubby thieving hands on property it has never owned ... then apparently very naive !!

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @50 Your comments are exactly my experience of Argentines and their real concerns.

    And it is a very beautiful and interesting country, with some serious problems to address.

    CFK talks the talk and gives hope to the people without hope. The trouble is she cannot walk the walk. But, to be fair, she is only one person and the entire system is corrupt.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    Referendum must be an inflection point, or else would just be a political measure to achieve certain interests (which has nothing to do with Kelpers interests)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    why dont you go back to the asylum
    its open now .

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    she is a chief of state and answers the stupids comments of your prime minister that involves argentina as a nation period, period nothing
    and tell me why your prime minister is talking of this theme of the malvinas?? is people of the uk very interesting on them?? dont you have more important problems in libya and in afghanistan in irak, where more.....and other problems to worry about??

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    55 Juanweather
    What would you know about our interests?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    “why dont you go back to the asylum
    its open now .”

    Bruton: Believe me, I would if I could!
    I'm deeply sorry if I couldn't make myself clear. Can you be more specific and tell me where I confused you?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    talking about

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    The Prime Minister was answering a question in Parliament during Prime Minister's questions, when any member can ask him about anything.
    The whole thing took about 30 seconds, so I don't imagine it took much time away from more pressing issues.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Referendum must be an inflection point [explain]

    57 malen = don’t you have more important problems in Libya and in Afghanistan in Iraq,[[do you not have more important problems than being Obsessed, with the Falkland’s,
    Do you people not understand the whole point of a referendum,
    It allows the people the freedom to vote,
    It is irrelevant if the outcome is known,
    But from argentines point of view, as you know in advance that they will vote British,, you have no interest, and refuse to accept it,, but if Argentina knew that the Falkland’s would vote to be Argentinian, would you then except the vote, [I bet you would]
    Therefore it defeats, your whole argument does it not,
    You either except what the people want, or you don’t,

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    nobody is obsessed here
    the president only said 4 adjectives stupid mediocre arrogant and coarse colonial power thats all 2 minutes
    we are passionate in answers thats all

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    your comment did not make sense, only in the fact that you admit that it was stupid and arrogant, which of course just show the standard that Argentina lives by, and if she is expecting a reply, then she will be waiting all night, a democratic government does not get into a slanging match with an undemocratic child, it would be ungentle manly, cool enough for you

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    dont you have more important problems in libya and in afghanistan in irak,

    We left Iraq,do try to keep up

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    # 53 - Wikipedia source, nice! Tony Blair wrote it himself? maybe someone from the labour parliament did, I'm sure they know how to upload serius things...

    # 62 - The outcome of a referendum must have a relevant result, when you know the result it's superfluous. If “Malvinas stays British, under islanders wishes” (when they are ALL brits under british rule) then there's no doubt about it, whats the purpose of the referendum then?
    That's what happened with Gibraltar and what would happen with Malvinas.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    mmmm but you might find us in great Britain
    ooopps sorry, we live there don’t we ?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    65 “We left Iraq” That's right, after your government killed tens of thousands of innocents civilians and defeated by a small group of rebels.

    Face the truth, Britain is on decline, Scotland will become independent within a few years, Malvinas will be returned to Argentina and the Union Jack will dissapear as the hammer and the sicle of the Soviet Union did .

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Juanweather

    Now I know, 8 year olds are not worth to talk. Just like UK, in the meantime Islanders will suffer such situation.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • razor654321

    Could one of you Argentinos help me understand how the people of the Falklands would be better off if the islands were part of Argentina as opposed to the UK? Is this what the population of the islands wants? Also, I think it's amusing that you say the UK was defeated by a small group of rebels in Iraq and yet they handed you your ass in 1982. So what does that say about Argentina?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    they can go back with the people that has the same way of life that speaks the same language and that has the same culture and with some money in their pockets
    sovereignity claim is recoignized by the UN so it is denigrating how a nation is sistematically denying to resolve it

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    71 malen
    Argentina is 'denying to resolve it' by saying there can only be one outcome. That isn't any kind of negotiation I ever heard of.
    I think you should stop saying 'they can go back'. We've already established that many Falkland Islanders have nowhere to go back to. Furthermore this is the kind of language used by nationalistic extremists everywhere and doesn't reflect well on you.
    Just listen to yourself...''I'm not a racist... but you can all go back to where you came from''!!
    We are already in a place that 'speaks the same language'; what do we need to move for?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    its not a problem of people
    its a problem of sovereignity
    and monty we didnt initiate the problem the usurpation in 1833
    you dont want to be part of arg because you share nothing in common so you can go with whom you do share sth in common if argetninians bother you ......if not there would be no problem

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    9 British-Argentine

    “Point three is where Britain's claim falls over. “Continuous and actual” sovereignty was being exercised by Argentina until they were marched off the islands by Onslow in 1833.”

    You have missed a very important thing that Palmas said:

    “a juridical fact must be appreciated in the light of the law contemporary with it, and not of the law in force at the time when a dispute in regard to it rises or falls to be settled.”

    Before 1945 there was no recognised right for a territory to become independent without its metropolitan state's consent. Argentina achieved its independence by force, without Spain's consent ie through secession, not through inheritance from Spain. Spain did not begin to relinquish its claim to any territory in the Americas until 1836. In the case of secession title to territory depends on establishing effective control over territory, and Argentina never established effective control over the Falklands:

    1) Argentina's actions were only limited to Port Louis, not the whole archipelago.
    2) Jewett was there only briefly, and did nothing while he was there.
    3) Areguati's attempt at a settlement in 1824 failed from the start and was withdrawn within a few months.
    4) Vernet got British permission before he went, and he reported to the British, so his settlement cannot be deemed under exclusive Argentine control
    5) Mestivier arrived in Port Louis on the 6 of October 1832 and was murdered 30 November, ie in less than 2 months.

    So, if the Falklands were Spanish before 1816 they were still Spanish in 1833, and Spain never complained about about British actions. However, the Spanish presence itself was mostly limited to Port Louis also. Spain never established full effective control over the whole archipelago. The first state to do that was the UK, and that was after 1833.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    73 malen
    It absolutely is a problem of people. If there was no-one here the British would have given up the islands long ago. The reason they don't now is because of us.
    Britain has repeatedly said that they won't discuss sovereignty unless we wish it. Which part of that is hard to understand? So you can all witter on about 1833 as much as you like. It doesn't make any difference.
    And you can threaten us with deportation as much as you like; you don't get to decide.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Searinox

    74# first of all you are too much wrong, spain recognize our independency few time after 1816, argentina's actions were not only limited to port louis, thats stupid. argentina took malvinas in 1820, and had effective control since 1823 when argentina government designed to Luis Vernet as malvinas governor.
    and there were families living in there with childs and the UK expelled them in 1833.
    Vernet was expelled by force. the british told them and the rest of the people that they had to leave the islands or they would be killed. do you think uk came and say ”please would you give me the islands?
    Malvinas was spanish (both islands) since 1774 till 1811 not 1816.
    argentina was free since 1816, spain left the islands in 1811 because their problem with independence colonies and i think it was napoleon already in spain invading. so the islands belong to argentina since 1823 with full control til uk invaded.
    dont invent any excuse because the only thing you prove its your ignorance

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    76 Searinox:

    The massive inaccuracies in your own nations history is quite shameful.

    1. Luis, on several occasions asked to be under british rule.
    2. They were not expelled. Argentinas OWN reports do not show anyone apart from the military personel coming back from the islands, Argentina then had them killed.
    3. UK first settled the islands in 1764.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    sovereignity cant be discussed with you because you are descendants of the same implanted that colonized the isles, so it is easy to know what you are going to choose...thats why you are a special case
    absolutly different from what happened in southamerica
    the world would be a chaos if militar world powers go round there taking isles expelling its garrison and authorities and puting their own people and saying soverignity its theirs....sovereignity its not obtain that way

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Brits love to say that they didn't expelled the Argentineans in 1833 from Malvinas. Twentysix years earlier the British government tried to do the same in the capital Buenos Aires, not to mention that they did the same thing around the globe. I am sure if the two failed invasions of Buenos Aires, a few years earlier, would've succeeded they will be saying the same non-sense story to excuse their illegal acts.
    Brainwashed people.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 54 - elaine

    for all i understand you are interested on problematic countries..... !?

    here is the one example

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article26358.html

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Margot, the Brits don't love to say that, it just happens to be true.

    In 1807, BA was invaded as part of the ongoing Anglo-Spanish conflict, a war Spain started. You also seem to forget that the British were initially welcomed in 1806 as liberators. This had nothing to do with the Falklands.

    And Spain did not recognise Argentine independence till 1859.

    And as none of you are Tehuelche or Guarani, then perhaps you should all go home. Spanish, Italian and German colonials out of Argentina, freedom for its indigenous peoples, stop stealing their resources you imperialist coarse colonial power.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    81 Kunt” the Brits don't love to say that, it just happens to be true'

    I know, like the expelling of the Chagossians a few decades ago, another master piece of Britain.
    Brainwashed people.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Room101

    The bottom line is self-determination.
    How did Argentina claim and obtain it? By spontaneous combustion, presumably.”

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    I know, like the expelling of the Chagossians

    So we make amends looking after the Falklanders right?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 80. I don't click links on messageboards. I am interested in your personal comments and thoughts if you wish to express them. : )

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    78 malen
    ''world powers go round there taking isles expelling its garrison and authorities and puting their own people and saying soverignity its theirs....sovereignity its not obtain that way''????

    Sorry, but that is exactly what the Spanish did in South America.

    As for 'sovereignity cant be discussed with you', that might be your opinion, but as Britain says they will not do anything without asking us, that opinion doesn't count for much.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    86 Monty69 “Sorry, but that is exactly what the Spanish did in South America”
    I am sure that you are aware what happen to them 200 years ago, right?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Marcos/Searinox - 1833 - it is actually a verifiable fact- and has been shown on these pages several times - that the civilians here were NOT expelled - only the military, civilains were invited to stay and many did- for many years.
    As for Mr Cameron - dont forget he has said -in slightly different words - exactly the same as every British Priminister of whichever Party in power consistently since 1982. “There can be NO negotiations on Sovereignty with Argentina - unless the people of the Islands want it”.(punto final) - that is what is called Democracy and Selfdermination.

    Now Arrogant? That is the word I use to describe a Govt that will only talk about one thing in any negotiations - “the date of full sovereign handover to it”. And also who states that the wishes of the people who live there are totally irrelevant and have no rights.
    But then lying and distorting the truth are after all standard Argentine Govt Policy - have been for years and probably will continue. Maybe thats why J.Peck joined you - he is good at those as well as not working, petty theiving, and scrounging!

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Islander1, Your friend James Peck the malvinense asked me to forward this message for you:
    “ the Falklands should belong to Argentina. ”Today it's a day to forget the resentment of the past,“ he said. ”My life's here and that's why I'm here in my children's country, which is my country too now.”
    Join him don't be afraid of the “superheads”.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    86 the spaniards didnt expelled people
    they killed some but with many many others obtained cooperation (misiones jesuíticas franciscanas etc) and they mixed and then we retook govern of our land (natives and criollos) fighting against these spaniards

    special case is not my invention not my opinion, its the opinion of the UN. UN asks UK to talk to Arg. Uk is very cordial and with good feelings
    in asking you, its their responsability, UN doesnt says us should talk to you. UK represents you.
    you have been very aggresive always with me i remember take it easy

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Malen, that has to be one of the most self-delusional pieces of claptrap any of your countrymen have posted on Mercopress.

    How many native peoples survied in Argentina - the prosecution rest milord.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @89

    He also said the Argentine flag wouldnt fly over the Falklands
    Every country has a traitor

    The head of the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo called “crooks and traitors” to the brothers Schoklender,

    Still you only have to convince 2,900 Falklanders more, what would that be % wise of the Argie population

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Malen is right, natives and criollos fought against the Spaniards for independence, the same ones that slaughtered the Brits in 1806 and 1807 during the failed invasions.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    All World forums, I guess that she is eventually taking her mediocue argument to the ICJ then?

    Come Argies ICJ or shut your mouth, you are all talk and no action after all.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    25 % of natives were killed in 1500
    remember there were here almost 20 to 25 tribus living all over argentina and in very inhospitated places
    and that ones of south werent dominated because the spaniards prefered to go north where was the silver and the gold (Perú for ex)
    then in between us we fought
    you can visit the ruins of san francisco
    im not saying the spaniards were good people they subjugated them

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    I'm not being agressive with you. I'm just asking you some difficult questions, to which you don't appear to have any answers.

    What happened to the tribes of the south then? Because they aren't there now. I'm going to have a wild guess and say that Argentines killed most of them.

    I don't actually care too much about any of that. You have a pretty murky history, and so does Britain. It's all a long time ago, and you can't put any of it right by being beastly to us.

    I'm still waiting for someone to explain how you plan to subjugate the people of the Falkland Islands. I'm here, and I'm not going 'back ' to anywhere, so what are your plans for me and my family?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    96 Monty69, I don't remember the Argentinean Government lately asking any islander to leave but I remember a well known one receiving an Argentinean birth certificate because he wish to have one.
    Let me throw the question back to you: what would you like to do in the case Malvinas islands is returned to Argentina?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Good morning all. I see that this thread is going much the way of the others. Why are Argies incapable of providing sound argument with evidence? Not that they seem to do any research and merely denigrate the evidence provided to them.

    Still, life goes on. Best of luck to the team heading to the Island Games.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    ..do you think sth is going to change??
    im not going to say you nothing different of what you have read of me and you are not going to say me nothing different either
    only i know MP is going to have a lot of islanders and argies posting the same comments over and over again and agreeing in nothing as usual
    intransigencia exists now

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    she's nuts, she's like sarah palin (maggie thatcher said that sarah palin is nuts). Both women are f*cked. I can't stop vomiting whenever I see her face.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    others are better for that answers
    who are you going to vote barilo??

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Viva intransigencia !

    Still, I suppose there's always the C-24 to look forward to next week. Wonder if there'll be anything new? Somehow I doubt it :-)

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 101
    I'm going to vote for Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, because I want to “profundizar el modelo”, and I mean it. The more corruption the better. There is no need to act, tryin to stop them, they're doing it for themselves, and the corruption will become more deeply embedded and is likely to cause further social breakdown, look at what's happening in Spain, Greece, it's sad, but that's what these politicians want from people, because that's what this government actions are aiming for, so I will give my little help with my vote :)

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Cristina now said Used Condom or United Kingdom to Dovy Camerum?
    Her English in not very good as mine.

    I have to listening again i guess...

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Reading the usual Argentine rants & lies, l suddenly realised that we have nothing to fear from such childish stupid people.
    We will still be here when Argentina has broken up into many smaller nations.
    And what a great base from which to exploit Antarctica!

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    Looks like certain people are turning more hateful as time passes by. To the above user, I'd recommend to go watch the sun rise, listen to some Rossini, or meet a new person. You're needing it.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Rossini is good but Puccini hits the spot for me.
    The arias and choruses from Butterfly are wonderful.

    Listening to The Humming Chorus from the the silence of the mountain top as the morning sun first bursts through the clouds over the sea - one of my life's most memorable experiences.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @106Forgetit87,
    You've got it wrong, l'm not hateful against anyone.
    l just don't like the Argentine lies & claims on my home.
    l often watch the sunrise & who are you to decide that l need anything?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    @Isolde

    Aggressive assertions of nationalism such as that one on your previous post are often a poor, childish cover for bitterness. If you want to convince Argentines that you feel superior to them, then try to sound less angry and indignant the next time.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    How do you convince an Argentine that anyone is superior ?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    Why bother trying to convince them of something that is evident to every other person on the planet....and that applies to every other person on the planet too.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] isolde --

    u are nagger like my grandmum , who was teacher ,maybe
    you were one of the students of her !

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Mmm, can we name islanders expelled by Argentina.

    Yes we can.

    Bill Luxton and his entire family, bearing in mind they have been there since the 1840s, were rounded up, put on a plane and kicked out of the Falklands. The Argentine military police arrived on the islands with detailed files on the people to be rounded up and expelled.

    David Colville, was another one.

    This proved to be internationally embarassing, so the rest were “interned” without trial at Fox Bay.

    I don't see any change in attitude from 1982, that would lead me to conclude it would be any different tomorrow.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    113 JustinKuntz
    This is exactly my point. The only thing that has changed since 1982 is that the list of potential 'troublemakers' is much longer.
    What would they do with us all? And is this really the kind of public face that Argentina wants to show the world?
    As I said, they haven't thought it through properly.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “Aggressive assertions of nationalism such as that one on your previous post are often a poor, childish cover for bitterness.”

    That explains 90% of the Argentinian posters here, then.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Squatter definition:
    “British who settles on land or occupies property without title, right, or payment of rent”

    Monty, avoiding the question @97? are the “superheads” keeping an eye on the sheeps?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 03:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Typhoon

    @109 Already Forgotten

    “Aggressive assertions of nationalism such as that one on your previous post are often a poor, childish cover for bitterness.”

    So why do you Argentines keep doing it?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    116 Marcos Alejandro
    No, not avoiding the question. Any kind resistance short of actual violence (probably). I'll give you some examples of the kinds of things islanders got up to in 1982 if you like.
    What is this obsession with 'Superheads'? It's just a management term for a way of organising government which is being tried out just now. It was supposed to save money and provide a career path for local people. Hard to say if it will or not.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • willi1

    :“CFK describes PM Cameron’s Falklands’ statement as “mediocre and almost stupid”:

    I - willi1 - describe the stealing of the money from German bondholders by CFK and her government gang as ”criminal and totally stupid!”
    She can be certain I will continue tirelessly claiming my right to collect the outstanding money in all world forums.
    She not only has stolen my money but also 10 Billion USD together with her husband and helpers. This was made public by a member of the Argentine opposition.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Isolde is saying something that many of us in this country can see. A country and a nation is a common project, common goals, and the differences are supposed to make us united, but in this territory those differences are becoming bigger and bigger and are making us NOT united and that's plain to see. One day this country will break up into many independent countries, that will happen, we're heading for that day, maybe it won't happen tomorrow, or the next week, or the next year, but in decades to come. That's the natural way of things. This government is despotic and oppressive, and not all the people in this country will take this sh*t forever.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 120 -

    Our aim is to shred UK and USA !

    estimate that which one will be first ! ...do not be afraid .

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @109Forgetit87,
    l'm proud of my country, aren't you proud of yours?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    121 geo (#)
    Our aim is to shred UK and USA !

    but at least what’s left will still a power to reckon with,
    In your case you have nothing now, but you will soon have something, another couple of countries , courtesy of the failure of Argentina a to concentrate on her own country, rather than others she does not even own .

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 123 - briton

    Argentina is already fragmented into ~ more than 30000000 parts.
    becouse that each person self-reeve , each person is self-president........

    Argentina name just defines a confederation !

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Fantastic, so you actually have 30000000 presidents
    Ministers, MPs and whatever else, core aren’t you a luck bunch,

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ ... the dispute will die down. By the latest figures, exports from Britain to Argentina stand at around £295 million, while imports are at £532 million. Britain is Argentina's 14th largest supplier of goods and their sixth largest investor. This represents a lot more actual income for both Britain and Argentina than the potential income from oil exploration around the Falklands, the supposed cause of the recent dispute. Given this, there is little risk of a real rift, nor a military invasion by Argentina. But the dispute will not die down before President Kirchner is milking it for all its worth. And that says all you need to know about contemporary Argentine politics — focused on gestures and dreams of future riches, rather than pragmatism and actual income. ...”

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/7036028/cameron-vs-kirchner.thtml

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    Hmmm an irrelevant mediocre statement by the Argentine President in front of a nationalist crowd about the Falklands? Must be election time again....

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Are you going to vote for her? You can.

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    I heard yesterday a mention of [as a 'Cortina de humo' ]
    They were using [whatever that is ].

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    All British are stupid! This is their national character. They have never invented nothing! They are stupid useless idiots!

    As for UN, where was UN in 1982? It sided with Britain! Where was Eu in 1982? It sided with Britain! Where was US in 1982 it sided with Britain! When have we ever needed these? When have they ever supported us? We need take decisive action now, take the Malvinas back cleanse the islands of their illegal population! If we have to remove the socialists in Buenos Aires first, then lets us do it!

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    [130]
    thank goodness argentina has idiots like you.
    the world then, can laugh in its sleep.

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @130Filippo,
    Day release over, time to go back to the asylum, flippers.
    Better take your medication before you sleep.
    See you tomorrow.

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    The sad thing about Filippo is that there is only five or six British people whom have the same type of grammar that he has...even though he's hiding it, and these six people are all people i thought wouldnt be that childish to act that idiotic.

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Filippo “Los Malvinas” that was really funny ha ha ha

    Jun 19th, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ zethe (#) it is idiots like you that give mad people a bad name! Take your Malvinas flag pole and go insert it into your English A hole. I hear you people enjoy.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    FlipFlop - We certainly enjoyed sticking it up yours in 1982 ...... and probably 1833 too. Anytime you fancy going for the hat trick, please do let us know :-)

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Hello Flippers, who are you today?
    What is he/she?

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • WestisBest

    @130

    So the British never invented anything did they?
    Does the Industrial revolution ring any bells? without that you'd still be using carrier pigeons to broadcast your drivel. Do you know where the Industrial revolution happened?
    ;-)

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stillakelper

    Some of this has been quite fun for a change - thanks Flipper the the laughs. C24 tomorrow - now that will be really riveting, Cuba, Venezuela, Syria, Iran, China, Russia, all those denizens of democracy and human rights, pontificating about the lives of a few small countries that choose to freely associate with others.

    Oh and by the way, what did Ban Ki Moon say about the Falklands in Argentina. A mighty silence.......................................... so I guess he wasn't too helpful about your colonial ambitions.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Hello Flippers, who are you today?

    Not so much Mr Ben, more like round the bend

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Filippo (#130) “British . . . have never invented nothing!”

    It's fun to dip into the world of inventions.

    The hundreds of pages of just the English historical inventions contain some weird and wonderful things - eg Tin cans (Fray Bentos tinned meats, Anchoveys, etc), magnifying glass, reflecting telescope, Turing Machine, Portland cement, . . .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:English_inventions

    The Scottish list is equally fun and impressive with things like Macadam road surfacing, ultrasound scanners, mole wrench, penicillin, . . . .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:English_inventions

    Welsh inventions are, however, thin on the ground, but without their rigid inflatables, commandos might never have been able to attack defended coves and beaches.

    And did somebody discover DNA and the origins of the species?

    Though, in today's integrated world, most 'invertions' are created by multinational teams, remarkably few are contributed to by inventors from the American Southern Cone.

    Long way to go, my young & frustrated friend, but perhaps the future of science and technology will be yours - who knows!

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    the asylum has open for today,
    and flipper is on his way,
    he left his mouth on a choo choo train
    the same place as his brain ??

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    BECAUSE I CAN NOT WRITE AS GOOD ENGLISH? YOU ARE STUIPID.

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    It is not your english im on about, and being stupid is an art,
    and you are the brush .

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton2

    a present for flipper,
    They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
    No one you see, is smarter than he,
    And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
    Flying there under, under the sea!

    Everyone loves the king of the sea,
    Ever so kind and gentle is he,
    Tricks he will do when children appear,
    And how they laugh when hes near!

    They call him Flipper, Flipper, faster than lightning,
    No-one you see, is smarter than he,
    And we know Flipper, lives in a world full of wonder,
    Flying there-under, under the sea
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azEOeTX1LqM

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Apparently flipper has gone back home,
    He will be back later under another assumed name
    Probably rubber lips ..

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • axel arg

    The words of the president are the result of the arrogance of the powerfull nations like the u. k., i have always said that it's really lammentable that such an admirable nation like great britain, still behaviours like a colonial power.
    The right to self determination, the historic perspectives of both nations, will always be open to objetions and diferent postures, meantime, if the decolonization committee calls both countries to find a peaceful and negotiated solution, it should be respected, including by powerfull nations like the u. k., none resolution affirms that great britain should return the islands to argentina, all the resolutions only called, and continued calling both nations to dialogue, if the u. k. conditions the negotiations, then there is not any posible solution, we all know that the islanders wont never choose to be part of argentina, what the u. k. is doing, is to use hypocritically the right to self determination, to avoid to discuss about the sovereignty, if in the reality, there is not any other alternative than self determination, then i hope that the next resolution by the decolonization committee, invokes that right for the population from the islands, like it did with others colonial situations, and finish once and for all with this dispute.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Axel,, i thinks you jumped to soon
    Why don’t you wait for c24;s decision, after the argentine members have made their speech, you argies, may well be in for an early Christmas present ??
    [its going to be the only present you dont want ]

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Axel still there with his fingers in his ears, singing the same tune “self determination isnt a human right!”

    I suppose one must cling to some glimmer of hope, no?

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    if only they had flipper as there leader,
    then they would all be in the loony bin lol.

    Jun 21st, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    At this point everybody knows you and Filippo are the same person.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 01:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • kbec

    UK: The Falklands sovereignty is not negotiable as per the UN rights of Self determination - so until self determination of the islanders change there is no point in 'negotiating“

    Argentina: The Falklands sovereignty is not negotiable as per our constitution which strictly forbids any negotiation re any possible compromise on sovereignty, however we demand you ”negotiate” with us anyway.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @147 Axel,
    Can you tell us all please what would we“negotiate”?
    We will not talk about sovereignty & your country demands sovereignty. There is no middle ground.
    On another posting you said that Argentina could“cede”something, that sovereignty was not definite.
    l asked you what you would be willing to “cede”.
    You never answered. Now l'm asking again:- “What would you be willing to cede”
    l warn you, it had better be VERY GOOD.
    Axel, l await your prompt reply. Regards etc etc.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    Perhaps Argentina could trade Patagonia (bigger, but mostly desert) for TFI; similar sort of characteristics, a history of British presence, a coastline, an EEZ.
    Throw in TdF, and perhaps we are talking!

    Just mention you are thinking about it, between now and the election, CFK.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    151 Forgetit87 :

    Really? I had other suspicions. There grammar is massivley different along with placement and use of certan words.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @lsolde

    I have a good offer for you.

    You get Flipo and Xbarilox to chose from plus a free Argie passport and 10 days free all included in a posh hotel in BA for a honeymoon after you choose you perfect partner.

    What do you say?

    Is a good offer. Isn’t it?
    Don't take so long, make a decision quickly...

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Argie passport

    You throwing in toilet paper too Nicotine,nice one

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    151 Forgetit87 , if you keep forgetting what you are saying, why bother in the first place, once a fool, always a fool .

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Forgetit87: I noticed a strinking similarity between him and another person one of the c-24 topics i thought it was quite obvious although i don't think anyone else saw it, have a read.

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    not briton2 perhaps zethe .

    Jun 22nd, 2011 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    @briton lol, chill out, didn't mean to offend you. :)

    @zeth Since you disagree with me, I don't know what to think anymore. I assumed it was briton because his grammar, like Filippo's, is so unusual for a native English-speaker.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @156 NicoDin,
    Let me think about that, erm, no.
    Same stupid Nicholas, no ideas, no future.
    AXEL, l'm waiting..................

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    161 Forgetit87

    About 35 into thread, see if you notice it.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/06/21/falklands-publicly-invites-decolonization-committee-president-to-visit-the-islands

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    I guess Argentina should have thought twice in relation to accepting thousands of British immigrants in to Argentina before World war 2 and beyond, however I respect the fact that numerous Argentines of British descent fought for Argentina during the Islas Malvinas Negotiations and diplomacy should prevail furthermore, the U.S stands by the Argentine claims to the Islands since the U.S after all is part of the Americas!

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    U.S stands by the Argentine claims to the Islands

    How do you work that out?

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Tigre2000

    The Obama administration accepts the Argentine soveriegn issue over the Islas Malvinas, its been on the news for a while now, besides the U.S is part of the Americas and needs to maintain its relations with its fellow Latin nations for its economic and future outlook. Its looks like the Brits are on there own now.
    see below cheers
    www.foxnews.com/.../obama-administration-backs-argentina-over-uk-on-falkland-dispute/

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    U.S stands by the Argentine claims to the Islands????

    Senior US officials insisted that Washington’s position on the Falklands was one of longstanding neutrality. This is in stark contrast to the public backing and vital intelligence offered by President Reagan to Margaret Thatcher once she had made the decision to recover the islands by force. in 1982.

    “We are aware not only of the current situation but also of the history, but our position remains one of neutrality,” a State Department spokesman told The Times. “The US recognises de facto UK administration of the islands but takes no position on the sovereignty claims of either party.”

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    161 Forgetit87 ,,don’t worry about it, i was not offended,

    163 zethe .. if you suspect someone why not give details,, you make a statement about grammar, then stop.

    Unless you are a bread & born brit, there are things that would distinguish you, i was born in London, and even i have problems understanding some of my fellow countrymen,

    So flippo could be anyone, i would suggest that he is either an argie living abroad or just a fake with an attitude,
    After reading his posts, the grammar is irrelevant,
    it’s his meaning.
    The [eyes] and the [times] suggest he is well out of zinc with the UK.
    All brits I’ve ever known calls the islanders [falklanders, or islanders]
    The name kelper suggests a local,,,,
    Why not just give us the clues, and then we can ignore the real culprit.
    Just an idea.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    Haha, very funny, zeth. I think you're right. My apologies to briton.

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 10:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Thank you Forgetit86

    Jun 23rd, 2011 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    “The right to self determination, the historic perspectives of both nations, will always be open to objetions and diferent postures”

    Axel, the historical perspectives might be open to objections and different postures, but not the right to self determination. The right to self determination is absolute, unlimited and applicable to the Falkland Islanders. That is international law, whether you like it or not.

    Jun 24th, 2011 - 06:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    If only Argentina would awake from her nightmare,
    She could see all the nice things she is missing out on,
    The world is moving on
    And Argentina is fast asleep.

    And where is prince charming to wake her up
    And defeat the wicked witch Cristina Fernández
    in the Falkland’s being suppressed by the wicked witch.
    And the dream lives on and on and on ?

    Jun 24th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard

    At first, Peter Pevensie disbelieves his sister Lucy's stories about Narnia, but changes his mind when he sees it for himself. He is hailed as a hero for his part in the overthrow of the White Witch.
    [Peter can be viewed as the saviour of “Narnia” and the offshore kingdom]

    Aslan, a lion, is the true ruler of Narnia. He sacrifices himself to save Edmund, but is resurrected – like Christ - to aid the denizens of Narnia and the Pevensie children against the White Witch and her minions.
    [Aslan is, of course, the benign and beneficent leonine leader of his people].

    The White Witch is the Southern land's self-proclaimed queen. She tyrannizes Narnia through her magically imposed rule. Her spell on Narnia has made it “always winter but never Christmas” for a hundred years. When provoked, she turns creatures to stone with her wand.
    [The White Witch needs no introduction]

    Tumnus, is a faun, who obeys the White Witch's standing order to kidnap any human who enters Narnia. The witch arrests Tumnus and turns him to stone. He is later restored to life by Aslan.
    [Tumnis is a Timerous man, fauning on his leader, and who does the White Witch’s bidding however bad it makes him look].

    ........
    “Do you believe in fairies?
    Say quick that you believe.
    If you believe, clap your hands!”

    Many a fairy story has parallels in the worlds we live in.

    Jun 24th, 2011 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Still waiting, Axel

    Jun 24th, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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