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“Corruption in Argentina; the mother of all scandals” by The Economist

Friday, June 17th 2011 - 17:02 UTC
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Under the heading of “Corruption in Argentina: the mother of all scandals?”, The Economist edition of this week has an article on the controversy surrounding the once-revered human rights group Mothers of Plaza de Mayo. Read full article

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  • A.J.Rimmer

    PMSL!!! What a just and honest country Argenina is............lol

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    PMSL!!! What a just and honest country Britain is............lol

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284132/Tony-Blair-special-adviser-dictator-Gaddafis-son.html

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Well, sadly, corruption can occur in any country. What makes Argentina a stand-out champion is much the same as in Italy. There is institutional corruption at every level and no desire to eradicate it. If the attitude is one of acceptance or tolerance, there is no hope of change.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Britain is not better on that field.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Britain is not better on that field

    Does that give you a warm feeling?

    How about Tax

    The world’s four largest grain traders, responsible for the vast majority of global corn, soya and wheat trading and processing, have been accused of large-scale tax evasion in a landmark series of cases being brought against them by the Argentinian government.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ 4. That is your only comment? You don't have an opinion on the article and the fact that your money has been stolen and frittered away by a convicted killer?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    And what do you want me to do? I only hope the legal system will put the Schoklender brothers back where they belong and keep them there this time for good and make sure the money stolen by this criminals is found.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    I'm sorry, where is the evidence that politicians are involved in corruption, woops sorry, here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Parliamentary_expenses_scandal

    My mistake. I believe in the rule of law, so let the judiciary take care of this one. What would you suggest Elaine, summary execution like in Afghanistan? How is that working for you?

    There is no evidence of endemic political corruption (well, in Argentina anyway), just a well intentioned, but poorly managed scheme. CFK should learn from this, just as the Australian government should learn from the “pink batts scheme” in which it similarly handed out money without government oversight.

    Does that count for an opinion Elaine? I fear that you suffer from an Anti-Argentine condition that does not allow you to see things as they are. Unfortunately it is one shared by too many of your (and my) country men/women.

    I am British y soy Argentino, spent a bit of time amongst both and unfortunately I have to say that it is the British who are least able to see reason on issues of the “other.”

    “Argies are all corrupt, crass, cocaine addicts”, yes well when was the last time they invaded another country? Since the Malvinas, how many have Britain invaded? Bringing democracy, one bomb at a time?

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Corruption in Argentina spans throughout it’s political history, especially when referring to the past six presidents that have occupied office since the economic meltdown in 2001. Corruption has become a norm in Argentine culture. It can be seen in every facet of everyday life, whether it be a corrupt judiciary, police force, and vote-buying legislature, or the fact that 75% of Portenos (people who live in Buenos Aires) do not pay the correct bus toll, 70% have illegal cable television or that 90% pay their way out of traffic tickets. When Swiss authorities in 2001 froze $10 million in bank accounts linked to former president Carlos Menem over illegal arms deals, the biggest surprise to the Argentine people was that the sum was so small. How corruption is linked to.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    Number 8 and 4, Eileen is a typical south american who's believes of “UK is paradise and it's corruption free” is deep rooted in her head. You can't blame her, because that happens unexpected once you live there for so many years. She drank the kool-aid (ice cold tea) and is suffering of “normalcy bias”.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @7. I totally agree with you.

    @8. How does your mind jump from me hoping the Argentines get justice to you thinking about execution?

    I am not anti-Argentina as you would know if you read my posts. I spend a lot of time in Argentina (and other SoAm countries) and have many Argentine friends there. I adore the place and the people I meet. However, I agree with the sentiments of many of my friends there that they live with a government in chaos, filled with corruption and incompetance. They deserve much better.

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 10:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Corruption rises, poverty rises, poverty rises, well, a civil war? mmm yum yum yum! ... but we'll see what happens. Corruption rises like in US-Mexico border http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-13723991

    I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman. (Homer Simpson)

    @ 11 Why do you waste your time explaining that you're not anti-Argentina to someone who is Argentine but doesn't give a sh*t about the corruption in our country? he doesn't live in Argentina, so he only cares about the islands, I'm sure that if the islands return to Argentinas hands, Hebe de Bonafini and Moyano wll be there the next day haha and with the piqueteros haha that would be more harmful to the islands than BP's belching oil well in the Gulf of Mexico haha pray that never happens

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010

    Yup, Britain's way up there with Argentina :-)

    Jun 17th, 2011 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @12 Good question. I should not engage.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    Barilox, so you know my personal story then do you? Of course not. Life sometimes dictates where you live (como James Peck), so I live where my children live. Truth be known I'd rather be in Argentina, but it is not possible sadly, so regular visits will have to do (until I can retire there).

    My family left in the Ongania regime, how did yours fare? Was that corruption ok? Did you and your class benefit from it? Perhaps we can swap. You seem keen on Britain. If you convince the mother of my children to move to Buenos Aires, I will gladly give you my British Passport, haha.

    I actually love it in Britain, I just like it in Argentina more...it's a personal preference you are welcome to your own.

    The people of Argentina made their choice, can't say the same for Britain they didn't know which incompetant to pick (que se vayan todos).

    Redhoyt, keep on banging the drum. The only way to solve corruption is to fight poverty...CFK is doing that.

    Elaine, maybe you are talking to the wrong people. Let me guess, they live in Recoleta (I like it there by the way, I am not trashing it)? The majority support CFK, see any political polling at the moment.

    Fido Dido, everyone around me has drank the same Kool-aid. It must taste nice...they're all so convince of their righteousness.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    CFK has certianly resolved issues over her own poverty!

    Personally I prefer Thailand .... now here they really know how to operate corruption :-)

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • A.J.Rimmer

    @2

    Ok then, shall we dig up the dirty on each country within the past 5 years, then compare results??

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    @17 Be my guest, even better let's dig up a few hundred years, just give me sometime to take my 18 wheeler truck to the library, tons of books about British wonderful past and present.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 15 Who are you? One thing I will tell, human beings are not made to be submissive forever, and not all the 42,000,000 people living in this country will take this crap forever from this government. I can talk crap sometimes, and I can insult people in here, and why not? I can go trolling around! I love it sometimes, but when I decide to be honest, I want them to keep the islands. Not all of us in this country are interested in subjugating 3,000 people living on an island in the south atlantic ocean. That person James Peck made a choice and that's fine, but not all the 3,000 people living down there wnat that. If you don't know many things about what is like in many places in Argentina, I'll tell you that in some places of our country people don't know who is Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, they don't even know that we have a president, and that the president is a woman. That means that she is not even necessary to live our lives, and that also means that when she says “We the Argentines want, or need, or decide” she is telling lies, because she is the president, but her voice is not the voice of the 42,000,000 peoples living in this country. There are many things that in this country many people believe are settled but are not, many small differences that are now becoming bigger and bigger, and one day those differences will make people decide over things like country, nation, patria, what we really want. I couldn't care less if the people of the falklands are british, it only takes a minute to me to feel they're good people just by looking at the pictures of them in websites, and all that in spite of all the crap I write sometimes in these forums insulting them. Being keen on something is not always wrong.

    I don't need you to give me your British passport (I have better idea for that passport of yours) I have two passports.

    My class? jojojo who are you??? a classist?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 01:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am apparently talking to the 'wrong' people because they do not agree with B-A's view of Argentina. My friends cross the social strata and none lives in Recoleta. I speak with people all over the country, from all walks of life. That is the reason I am there.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    I'm starting to warm towards ExBrain - he has a healthy attitude towards politicians :-)

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • British-Argentine

    Ahh Barilox...tomarlo con soda, you will give yourself a heartattack!

    I agree that there are more important things than the Malvinas issue for Argentina (like greater equality, more economic progress, more human rights abusers behind bars etc), and I also agree that politicians of all stripes inflate such issues for their own gain (the world over).

    But please, try a little harder to hide your contempt for democracy.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 22 “But please, try a little harder to hide your contempt for democracy.” best quote ever! my laughter is waking up my neighbours hahaha

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    You have a little more to learn about your wife's homeland Bri-Arg !

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 05:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 24 --

    democracy ? what is it ?

    to make free ( already all are free) election ? .... No !

    YOU ELECT THE NOMINEES BUT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO DETERMINE
    THEM AS THE NOMINEES !

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    Well seems that we can have a fair exchange here after all.
    We got Jame Peck and they can have panqueque Xbarilox. HA ha

    Some Mohammeds with bad teeth seem want to transplant they African model from UKistand to Argentina. Ha ha

    The kingdom of corruption and deprivation lecturing others about ethics and moral standards.

    Amazing someone seems the guy David Brent from “The office” surrendered by a bunch of Finchies. Haha
    Typical Brits hypocrisy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cir05JyEsV0

    No sense of ridiculous at all. Ha ha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cir05JyEsV0

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    The world is indeed topsy-turvy,
    Xbox is starting to make sense at last and NicoDin is getting sillier.
    l had high hopes for Nicholas once, when he defended me from that plonker Martin_Fierro but he's gone downhill since then.
    l am glad that you don't want the Falklands, Xbox.
    l really don't want Argentina, so we are even-stevens.
    Peace & blessed be.

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 10:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    “ ... The kingdom of corruption and deprivation lecturing others about ethics and moral standards ...”

    ?? Now I'm getting confused here Dim, are you refering to Argentins lecturing the UK ?? Which seems the obvious choice !

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 26 No, they can't have me because Argentina is my country and the Falklands are theirs. You stay where you are, in the USA and everything will be just fine. As you may already know, in Buenos Aires we'll be so lucky, we're about to have one of Hugo Moyano's sons as a legislator, so the future can't look brighter than this! He will make nice laws for us all to live under them :) I hope that everyone in the Moyano's family are legislators, that is the best thing we can do to “profundizar el modelo”. They really know how to take good care of our money :) so keep them coming!

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @29 Is it time to get the tanks out?

    Jun 18th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • NicoDin

    @Redhoyt

    Nope Red I am talking about the Mohammed’s corrupted kingdom where Sir Lords gets 25m pounds after had broken his bank on expenses of poor taxpayers.

    Where billions of pounds from public funds to be used in hospitals, education, social security, etc were given away to greedy corrupts bankers in exchange for funds to support corrupted politician campaigns.

    But in Ukistand idiots voters see these people with admiration. Can you know someone more idiots than that?

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 03:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Argentines who vote for Cristina?

    Jun 20th, 2011 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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