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Falklands/Malvinas: Mercosur supports Argentina; rejects UK Defence minister words
The Mercosur presidential summit unanimously supported Argentina’s legitimate sovereignty rights over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands and strongly rejected “regrettable statements” from British Defence Secretary Liam Fox regarding the use of force. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesBritain may ignore the international community but Argentina LIES to them!
Jun 30th, 2011 - 08:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0For example - “ ... in spite of the fact the illegal occupation of Argentine territory by Britain has been uninterruptedly protested since 1833...” A lie that can easily be proven in the years of silence following the Convention of Settlement 1850.
“ ... thanked all governments present “their permanent support for the legitimate, unrenounceable and imprescriptible rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute concerning the Malvinas Islands question...”
a) There is nothing legitimate about Argentina's claim. If there was, Argentina could take its case to the ICJ, and
b) Argentina's claim MUST be renounceable as Argentina effectively renounced it with the Treaty of 1850, and
c) there is no such thing as an “imprescriptible” claim in international law.
“President Cristina Fernandez was absent on medical recommendations.”
Jun 30th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0What sort of person runs for office when as ill as she is .... mentally and physically?
“Argentina never failed to show its willingness to negotiate” It has since 1994 when the consitution was ammended. Now the government will accept nothing less than a complete capitulation of British sovereignty. That is not a negotiation, thats a surrender. Anything less would not be good enough by Argentine law in Constitution, which is hugely significant.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Therefore as a principle of International law the Argentina government has deliberately interfered with this negotiation process. The 1976 Resolution 31/49 of the General Assembly of the United Nations, “calls upon the two parties to refrain from taking decisions that would imply introducing unilateral modifications in the situation”. You can’t interfere with a legal process unilaterally only by agreement. Both sides should condemn the Argentine Government and state that the conditions the UN supported in 1965 have changed so now has the process. Unfortunatley many can't see this obvious fact.
Hey Ho - yet more Huff and Puff - another 4 months to go at least - well it does get windy in this part of the world at time! Standard practice of Timmerman to twist words of course- cant help it being a liar I guess.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Can any Argentine come up with some basis for a claim over South Georgia!
A1, I would have though the 1982 invasion was also a unilateral modification of the situation re the 1976 resolution. Such a bad one that it lead to its own UN Resolution, which Argentina also ignored...
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) There is nothing legitimate about UK's claim. If there was, UK would certainly agree and take the case to the ICJ, but they simply reject its jurisdicion. Ask the Chagossins btw
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0b) Argentina's claim is NOT and will NOT be renounceable. Ever since 1833 the claim has been permanent, though you may unsuccessfully try to change factual history: end of story. In 1825 UK forgot about the islands? In 1849 (NOT 1850) Argentina did not renounce anything. In fact, the UK Parliament later considered the offer to pay the debt with the islands as proposed by Argentina.
c) YES there is such thing as an “imprescriptible” claim in international law: if you keep on protesting, there's no consent at all. There is a sovereignty dispute as recognised by the UN and YOU: the sovereignty safeguard formula is crystal clear
d) On 4 November 1982 (that is AFTER the conflict which ended un on 14 June 1982), the UN adopted a NEW resolution on identical terms: there still is a sovereignty dispute between the two parties to be solved through bilateral negotiations and your INTERESTS are to be taken care of. Good for Argentina, once again. It's no use crying over spilt milk
Alejomartinez, Britain has challenged Argentina 12 times to take the case to ICJ but Argentina has so far has refused to do so because the lies it tells its people will be shown up in court, You have signed many treaties recognizing the Falklands existence over the years & your government knows it hasn't a leg to stand on if the case should ever be heard in a court of law.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#6
Jun 30th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) The UK are not going to pursue a case at the ICJ they are there in control, with no sanctions against them, and they are not questioning their sovereignty, you fool. It's for the Argentine government to pursue such a case and that has not happened. Galteri thought it was a better idea to invade. The British have also accepted the ICJ's jurisdiction it the US that hasn't. Both Greece and Cameroon made cases against the UK.
b) The 1850 Convention is very clear and is an inter-govermental agreement. It settled all differcence and made perfect relatons between the two nations. The protests were also dropped. In international law a protest is the only real evidence of a continued claim. There was nobody from BsAs on those islands in 1825 so there was no authority to recognise. The UK never considered that Argentina could pay off that debt with the islands they refused it outright, stating the islands were British!
C) Argentina hasn't continuously protested. There was no protest to the British from the signing of the 1850 treaty to 1884. I've not seen any evidence of any official state protests from Argentina to the British from 1888 to 1941. The original claiming protest of 1834 only asked for the East island anyway.
d) The 1994 consitution changed has changed the legal process as I mentioned above. Argentina will now only accept surrender, that is not a negotiation,
a) Prove that the UK has EVER declined to go to the ICJ over the Falklands, or South Georgia and the South Shetland Islands. Prove it or show yourself up to be a fool and a liar!
Jun 30th, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0b) You appear to know nothing about peace treaties. And not much about 'ratification' either as Argentina did not ratify the Treaty until 1850! In 1825 Argentina did not have any form of possession or sovereignty over the islands, so they were not relevant to the discussions/recognition. The UK's claim went back to 1765.
c) No ... there is really NOT. And Argentina did not protest.... not between 1849 and 1888.
d) NO UN General Assembly Resolution, which is in any case only advisory, since 1988 !
As we've got the milk and it's not spilt, what would we be crying over?
“the illegal occupation of Argentine territory by Britain has been uninterruptedly protested since 1833”
Jun 30th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Put your Jorge Videla photo back up on the wall Argentina. You only fool those who lie in the same gutter.
“There is nothing legitimate about UK's claim”
Jun 30th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Erm, Alejo it's Argentina which has a claim. The UK cannot claim what it already has...
“Ever since 1833 the claim has been permanent”
That is simply not true. The UP dropped their claim in 1849, and confirmed this when it stopped mentioning the claim in messages to congress (as it had done between 1833 and 1849). It was not raised again in officially until 1948. If you think that is “permanent”, then you really are stretching the meaning of that word to breaking point.
“if you keep on protesting” Yes, but you didn't keep protesting. You stopped official protests for the best part of a century.
“There is a sovereignty dispute as recognised by the UN and YOU”. Yes, everyone knows YOU dispute the sovereignty. But a dispute is very different from title. Just because you dispute it, doesn't mean the title belongs to you. The only forum to test this is the ICJ, yet Argentina raises it in every forum EXCEPT the ICJ. Why is that? Are you afraid your claim has no foundation?
“sovereignty dispute between the two parties to be solved through bilateral negotiations”
Yes, read the words carefully Alejo. A sovereignty DISPUTE. To be SOLVED. Where does it say the Falklands are Argentine territory? Where does it say the only solution to the dispute is a transfer of the Falklands to Argentina? The dispute could easily be solved by Argentina dropping its claim, yet in defiance of Resolution 31/49 Argentina has enshrined its claim in the Argentine constitution. Oh, and if the outcome of “negotiations” has already been determined, how can Argentina be negotiating in good faith?????
TWIMC
Jun 30th, 2011 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A nice medium size nail on Britain's diplomatic coffin on the South Atlantic...............
Please threaten us again :-)))
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Jun 30th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Boo!
Mr Defence Secretary Liam Fox, South America doesn't give a damn about your threats and your typhoons, perhaps you should use them to put down the strikes on your little empire today.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 03:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8606125/Public-sector-staff-strikes-live.html
Think- what nail? Just a group of 4 States signing a declaration that some of them are only signing for the sake of a bit less hassle from Argentina over Mercosur? Has no effect on us - has no affect on UK - thus irrelevant to anyone in the real world - but if it makes Christina happy and shuts her up a bit - fine with me.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dud Timerman bother to explain to any of them that he has no intention of actually negotiating ANYTHING other than the immediate date of full Arg soverign contol and also that Arg regards us islanders as irrelevant with zero say at all in our future or lives- DID HE? Because you and I both know that is Arg Govt policy!
Marcos- what threat was issued? All he said was UK would defend British territory. Would it be threatening for your defence Minister to say - Argetnina will always defend Argentina? - of course not, perfectly normal thing for a defence Mininster to say!
@14
Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like you Argies could do with some putting down
The Argentina Workers Central (CTA), one of the country’s major labor federations, organized a 24-hour strike Thursday over the murder of Mariano Ferreyra, a 23-year-old left-wing youth. Ferreyra was killed by thugs from the rail union, which works closely with the government.
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Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whilst I'm not sure if any coffins have had nails drilled in to them, what Britain has there to defend the islands is no secret to anyone, so I don't think alluding to military capabilities is the best strategy, and is kind of counter-productive.
15 Islander1, Sounds like a threat to me and everyone in South America.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2011/06/27/britain-threatens-force-over-falklands-as-row
Roles are changed: Cameron is Galtieri.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Case David Cameron is beset by economic crisis and humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya for a conflict to divert attention from English domestic public opinion. Argentina now threatens to increase the armed forces at their base to attack the continent if he persists in his claims sovereign when it has fallen significantly and it does so peacefully arms race supported by world public opinion and the decisions of MERCOSUR, UNASUR and Nations United sovereignty calling dialog between the parties.
Actually, the UK's position is pathetic and pitiful.
(17) Frase
Jun 30th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Kind of counter-productive for the Brits…….. but quite functional for us RG’s………..
A pity that Mr. Fox didn’t mention your superb nuclear subs armed with those powerful macho nuclear missiles that could nuke Buenos Aires, Rosario, Mendoza and Cordoba in a periquete.
Maybe next time he will be so kind…................................................
Please threaten us again………
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Jun 30th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Turn the other cheek little Argentina,the poor mans Gandhi :-))))
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Jun 30th, 2011 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“but quite functional for us RG’s………..”
I'd actually agree with that......
Argentina's strategy is to tell as many people as possible that Britain/Falklanders have no legitimate rights to be there, and are only there by force, so statements such as those by Mr. Fox, will inevitably be lept on, adding fuel to the engine.
Quite where that engine will lead to is a different story.
The British threats sound like an old scratched long play,
Jun 30th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have four typhoons...We have four typhoons
To be fair, both sides are more or less just saying the same thing over and over again
Jun 30th, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0El Thicko
Jun 30th, 2011 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No one threatened you. The words used were defend and deter against ARGENTINE AGGRESSION, seeing as the last time the islands were left virtually undefended the local bully boy sent 2,500 troops against 40 Royal Marines. Whinge and whine and weep crocodile tears with your mates, doesn't change anything.
A question.
IF the Falkland Islanders spoke Spanish, would there be this “regional solidarity”?
The answer speaks volumes, doesn't it our little bunch of racists.
World opinion on Argentina's side? You have the full support of just 34 out of 192 UN member states and it's taken you 65 years to get that. A whopping 17%...Now that is pitiful.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't pretend you don't like the defense comments either. It gives you the opportunity to duck the political issues we have put to you but you have not answered.
19 Raul (#)
Jun 30th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Case David Cameron is beset by economic crisis and humanitarian bombing civilians in Libya
[David cannot fly, and is NOT bombing anyone, it is a joint effort///
==conflict to divert attention from English domestic public opinion.
[he represents great Britain, not England,
Argentina now threatens to increase the armed forces at their base to attack the continent
[which continent are you going to attack, you have nothing .
The rest is total crap,
Argentina
Zombies and borge all rolled into one,
[borge] freedom and human rights is futile, you WILL be assimilated
[zombies] we are all of the same brain, everything belongs to Argentina, you either agree with us, or you are lies and pirates and are against us,
Galterari did not invade the Falkland’s in 1982,, they were trying to rescue the 2,000 hostages .
If this is what the 17% of world support believes, the sooner Argentina break up into regions the better,
You can’t talk to them, or negotiate, with them,
She can’t keep pushing forever, [sooner or later]
Back up will be required. And no doubt the argie bloggers will be there in total strength
Ready to do their masters bidding ?????..lol
If attacked by Argentina any British Government would have no option but to respond militarily. The debate is whether we have sufficient assets, either in place or available at short notice, to deliver a proportionate retaliatory strike. Personally I hope it never comes to another war and we can continue just having a laugh at Artura and the Botox Lady.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to deliver a proportionate retaliatory strike
Jun 30th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Argies are stupid enough to have a go,it should be Unrestricted Warfare,knock some sense into them
This conflict is not resolved with resentment and revanchism. Resolved to peace and dialogue.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is very important work of these years of Nestor and Cristina Kirchner to bet as state policy on disarmament and non-violence and opt for dialogue and peace among peoples, the fact is that Argentina has decreased significantly its military investment merely reducing it to essentials.
This is just a small step on the road to recovery of the islands and respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty removed in 1833. The British people can live on the islands, while respecting their culture and interests, but under the sovereignty Argentina without any problem, as the Welsh in Patagonia. The Welsh are fully integrated into society Argentina.
As Luther King: There are no roads to peace, peace is the road. I think most people's English is deep in the same feeling. Peace, dialogue and nonviolence.
Marcos 18 - all??? South America? - rather doubt it somehow- please list the Govt Statements form all these nations following Mr Fox,s comments?
Jun 30th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Put it simply what he said as defence Minister was- “ dont messabout interfering and threatening the Islands to much because they and their people are OURS - and we will do what is required to keep it that way”.
He gave a simple statement of fact - after all Arg has and continues to messabout threatening and attempting to bully us every chance you get!
Raul 30 - sorry but your Govt has made it clear several times that it has NO INTEREST at all in whatever we Islanders wish or desire.
Also BIG BIG difference - the Welsh went to live in Argentine Patagonia and become Argentinians of their own free voluntary will.
If your military is so reduced then why is it that, about once a month your airforce flies a sortie towards the Islands to see how close it can get before aircraft from here are scrambled up to meet it?
Islander1, The news are all over the place, since you live in Argentina I assume you understand spanish. Make sure you say thanks on my behalf to Mr Fox, his threatening comments works very well for Argentina.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://espanol.upi.com/Politica/2011/06/30/Mercosur-rechaza-declaraciones-del-ministro-de-Defensa-de-Gran-Bretaa/UPI-57821309414500/
Dialogue on your terms more like, as enshrined in your post-resolution consitution. That fascist/Peronist psycho-babble may work in Argentina but not with us. You people can't even answer questions regarding the 1850 convention and the 1834 Moreno protest, but then in fairness it has been censored from all of your literature.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 10:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Reform is a **Defence** think-tank.
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People attending tend to occasionally mention the word 'gun', rather than the word 'doll' or the word 'hamburger'.
When you are debating Defence, you tend to mention armaments and locations - it goes with the territory.
Though I am really suprised that The Chatham House Rule was not invoked;
it was obviously considered to be insufficiently sensitive to be 'Off the Record'.
They should have realised that, in Election-Argentina, any comment concerning the protection of TFI is election-food.
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“The Chatham House Rule originated at Chatham House with the aim of providing anonymity to speakers and to encourage openness and the sharing of information.
It is now used throughout the world as an aid to free discussion. Meetings do not have to take place at Chatham House, or be organized by Chatham House, to be held under the Rule.
Meetings, events and discussions held at Chatham House are normally conducted 'on the record' with the Rule occasionally invoked at the speaker's request. In cases where the Rule is not considered sufficiently strict, an event may be held 'off the record'.”
Morning all, busy night I see. Still getting nailed Think :-)
Jun 30th, 2011 - 11:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello from the Rep. of Ireland.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0(Another country screwed over by the UK govt)
Britain will keep these islands and the oil that goes with them for the foreseeable future. I think Britain -will- strike that oil and that even -IF-any negotiation were to -Ever- take place it would be hugely in the favor of the UK.
Unfortunately that is just how it is Argentinian readers.
I found my way to this page almost by chance, having previously looked at pages on Gibraltar, which were linked to pages on Northern Ireland.
Don't think of your situation as anything new Argentina.
That -plantation- of 3000 people from 8000 miles away which prevents natural movement and settlement by the 40+ million population 400 miles away is nothing new.
Claims of democracy while being obvious colonization/occupation are nothing where I come from.
However, I also think that with the oil will come the (very) long-term resentment of yet another country (Argentina) and the short term disgust much of the world.
There will be costs to the UK in both the short term and long term from free thinking people of every nation, NOT just countries with prior conflict with the UK.
As usual this isn't realized by the average UK citizen who will not benefit to the level of those involved in this theft, yet will inherit loss of reputation and likely an undercurrent of negative economic consequences for years to come.
The UK is making enemies where it could have friends - as usual.
Another Irishman kidding himself! Eire got its freedom, the northern protestants got to determine their future. All's well then :-)
Jul 01st, 2011 - 12:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0So how's the Tiger these days? And are you after a loan, again ??
So 'False Democracy' As your an expert on the matter why don't you tell us your theories on the 1850 convention, The 1834 protest and its implication. No one from Argentina seems to want to answer it. When those people were 'planted' on the islands there were protests from the Argentine government about it were there? You'll have to tell us all about it. Just under 90% of that 40 million population are white did you know that? Weren't they planted in the Pampas and Patagonia like the Scots were planted in the six counties? I'm sure the free movement you talk of is over native peoples land as well. Have a look at a political map of Argentina say in the 1850's. Patagonia always seems to be a different colour, and those islands too, even ones printed in Argentina.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh well I'm sure you'll be able to straighten us out with your vast knowledge :)
(36) False Democracy
Jul 01st, 2011 - 02:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“There will be costs to the UK in both the short term and long term from free thinking people of every nation, NOT just countries with prior conflict with the UK.
As usual this isn't realized by the average UK citizen who will not benefit to the level of those involved in this theft, yet will inherit loss of reputation and likely an undercurrent of negative economic consequences for years to come.”
I say:
Very much based in the “Irish example”, we are trying to maximize Britain’s short and long term economical, political and moral costs.
It worked for you.
And it is working for us.
The behavior and acts of people like Mr. Liam Fox’s are, as a matter of fact, quite functional for Argentina….
Sassenachs…………, please keep threatening us.
Respectfully
El Think
“ ... It worked for you ...”
Jul 01st, 2011 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Err, really? The Irish became independent. Independence for the Falkland Islander's is not what Argentina is about. Colonisation is what Argentina is about.
“ ... And it is working for us ...”
Really? Wow! You must show me some proof of that sometime. Oh, sorry, I forgot ... you don't do proof !!
As for threats ... sure, no problem. They appear to be all that Argentina understands !!
18Marcos- thats a press relase cover story of just the actual mercosur heads meeting on an issue raised by Argentina- not actually raised by anyone else!! Come on please show me actual seperate Govt Statements on the issue from say: Brazil-Chile-Peru-Uruguay-Ecuador - Columbia- Guyana etc etc?
Jul 01st, 2011 - 03:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do I work for you Islander1? :-) If this information is not enough for you please feel free to write to Mercosur, OAS, etc.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 04:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0June 30, 2011. The full members and associated countries of the common trade bloc MERCOSUR issued on Wednesday a statement denouncing as “regrettable”, the statement made by British Defense Minister Liam Fox, on the United Kingdom’s air and naval forces stationed in the Malvinas Archipelago.
http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12157:mercosur-summit-condemned-british-defense-minister-statement-over-malvinas&catid=42:politics
http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=12157:mercosur-summit-condemned-british-defense-minister-statement-over-malvinas&catid=42:politics
Well l'll try a second time, my last post didn't go through.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@36False Democracy,
Do you even know what you are talking about?
lreland's history, facinating as it is, has very little to do with our problems with our belligerent neighbour Argentina.
They have never owned these lslands despite the lies that they constantly spread wherever they can.
They have tried twice by force to take over our land & failed dismally each time.
We are continuslly threatened in every forum that you can think of yet they refuse to take their“case”to the one that matters, the ICJ.
We all know how lreland wasn't always treated fairly by Britain in the past(its cuts both ways though, your own St Patrick was captured in an lrish slaving raid on the British coast).
Are you sure you think the Argentines are right or is it a case of“my enemy's enemy is my friend?”
l think you should do some more research before you make a decision.
Marcos, question was very simple- I am looking for specific individual statements and actions from national Govts - not statements issued as side issues to meetings of Mercosur.OAS eyc which have NO International Binding and are of no relevance internationally but I accept that yes, they give a little “feel-good” factor do a fantasyland Govt in Argentina.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0If all S America is solidly behind Arg, - then WHY do your neighbours:
A- Recognise and Communicate with our Islands Govt.
B- Alow trade and communications etc between them and the Islands.
Organisation of British and American States. [ O B A S ]rather than OAS
Jul 01st, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has a nice ring to it, don’t you think lol.
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Keeping Ireland refs minimal as this is a S.atlantic forum. However ill say to redhoyt that the Uk is also no stranger to the Imf (1976) Ireland chose the best loan available, the Uk will benefit from interest - dont go thinking its some kind of gift to the uks closest trade partner. Btw In terms of history it would want to be some big ( hmm f expletive, sorry) gift. Happy to go deeper into irish issues/history in different forum.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do I even know what you Im talking about?
Well ive read a good bit on things down there ~8000 miles away from London. Admittedly no expert, but aware enough to see clearly whats going on as most folk worldwide would and do. (and it looks familiar)
So ill stick my neck on the block and put it like this. -The falklands is not a country-. (despite what a few thousand claim). The falklands are but another extension of westminister falsely (+conveniently at times) claiming to be something its not. It is effectively part of the UK. British overseas territory - no, historic UK strategic territory and political tool - yes. And (for the most part, claims aside) thats all it has ever been.
Effectively an airbase/port and possible oilfield being called a country for political convenience. Its an isolated UK hand in the s.atlantic.
3000 (even less permanent residents) people sat next door to a country of 40 million saying 'no we're a genuine country so no you cant come in, its all ours ours ours'. If it wasnt for historic bullying, stupidity in the 80's or for the soon to come oil the name would be malvinas by now and there would be (relatively) many Argentinians living there as would be expected of any isolated islands with no other neighbors closer than 1000's of kilometers away. Thats how i see it as do many. no offense intended in this post.
Galloway sums it up on youtube.
Falsies, your english is bad, your understanding of the facts surrounding the Falkland Islands is worse .... if that's how you see it, you eyesight needs attention too !
Jul 01st, 2011 - 02:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Galloway is left wing scum!
A well structured and definitive argument. All points countered.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All wrong.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FCO would have happily screwed over the people of the Falkland Islands throughout the 1960s and 1970s. It would have gladly handed the islands over to Argentina.
Strategically useless and they were an irritant in dealing with Argentina, the bottom line was in the FCO's eyes the Falkland Islands were a pain to find someone who'd accept the post of Governor and prevented the British Government selling a shed load of arms to Argentina.
Nothing to do with the merits of what Argentina claims, which to be frank is a load of bollocks. Happy to go into the details but I only have 2000 characters.
The fly in the ointment was the islanders who culturally had zero in common with and wanted nothing to do with Argentina, traditionally having ties with Uruguay. Largely as most of the time Argentina denounced them as “squatters” who after 6-7 generations (1970s) had no right to be there. In 1971, the FCO finally persuaded the islanders to send a delegation to Argentina, where in a mastery of diplomatic skills the Argentine press got to hear about, resulting in such a hostile reception they left home early. Just one example of many.
The Falklanders may have been few in number but they organised a very effective lobby that stymied the FCO plans. So instead the FCO resorted to stealth, signing a series of agreements with Argentina making the islands dependent on Argentina for air links, oil, medical services and a whole lot more.
Then Argentina impatient that the islanders weren't falling for their “charm” invaded.
The war that resulted is one of the few examples of fighting for democratic principles and since then the self-government of the islands has grown. Whatever oil there is goes to the islanders, there is no strategic imperative for the UK. The UK would love to be out of it, truth be told.
They are a small and growing country, bullied by their neighbour, I'm surprised any true Irishman would support the local bully over a small island nation.
I love this Irish song.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzjkX9AYMYQ&feature=related
Only the Italians and Argentinians love songs more than the Irish. Closely followed by the Greeks, Spanish and Portuguese.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Justin- could not have put it better! They had a chance in that period - in 1968 it was just about a signed deal but luckily for us the then Governor did not like the smell and “leaked it” here, the rest as they say became history but in the 1970s Arg had other chances ut blew it.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 01982 changed the ballgame 100% and permanently - that is what they just cannot grasp!
False Democracy - good to hear from somewhere other than Argentina, even if it's just to slag off the British. I don't agree with you though. Mainly because you try to compare Ireland's predicament with that of Argentina, when really, the only common factor is the UK. You're allowed to hate the British - if you read these forums long enough you'll see that racism is quite acceptable. Strictly speaking, you are right, we're not a separate country from the UK. But I can't vote in UK elections, so we're not exactly 100% part of the UK either.
Jul 01st, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here's something I don't get: until 1816, there were no Argentines. They were evil Spanish colonials, just as I am an evil British implant in the Falklands. They killed native indians by the thousands. Then, overnight, They became Argentine citizens, with the self-appointed right to live in a land that had been inhabited for thousands of years by other people. They were Spanish, now they are Argentine. What gave them the right to decide their future and why do I not have the right to decide mine?
By the way, does anyone know of any other case in the world which is like the Falklands, historically, geographically, culturally and demographically?
I realise I'm not going to change anyone's mind - I'd just like to know what Argentines think of the points I raised, though.
#49 - I didn't see any serious points to be countered. The islands are a BOT, and if you look the term up it says it like it is. The Falkland islands remains a developed and semi-independent colony. It cannot reasonably become anything else while the neighbours threaten it.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0IMF? I'm talking about the loan the British made!
And Galloway IS scum - the sort of traitorous b*st*rd that should have been hung up by the testicles long since!
Galloway loses respect with cat charade
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1507771/Galloway-loses-respect-with-cat-charade.html
l wouldn't believe much that George Galloway says. He was a friend of Saddam Hussein, who murdered thousands of his own people.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe thats why he likes Argentina, so did they. 30,000 of them.
Who cares what Argentina and / Mercosur say. The only important people are the Islanders and the soldiers, sailors and airmen that defend them.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 10:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0(56) Isolde
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
l wouldn't believe much that George Galloway says.....
Have you listen to the man?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk
Cant speak on behalf of Isolde, but I have listened to Galloway hundreds of times, the guy is a fud. The only people he represents are the people who hate the British government, regardless which party makes up the government.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think - I HAVE listened to him. His opinion's are sh*te, a marxist without a role currently .... long may it last !
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle chuckle
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least, this brave Scot knows, in contraposition to the BBC and most English people where “Los Malvinas” are ................
”Isle of Wight Games draw to a close (2. July)
About 3,500 athletes from around the world came together on the Isle of Wight for six days to compete in 14 sports.
The 43-strong team from the Falklands travelled the furthest, 3,000 miles (4,828km) while Guernsey finished top of the medal table at the mini Olympics with 41 gold medals.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-14001509
Hmmm….. ”3.000 miles from the Isle of Wight” would place ”Los Malvinas” in Ghana (South), the North Pole (North), Kazakhstan (East) or Canada (West)…………
Which one is it?
Clearly it's a typo!! How hard is it to figure that out?
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Galloway being a brave Scot, the guy has very little support amongst us Scots.
(62) ljb
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course!.... A typo!...... In the article text AND in the video's audiofile :-)))
As for Galloway little support amongst Scots...... Your loss, mate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6TFogCA21Y
George Galloway:
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIy_GmvUElE
'nuff said.
We all know Galloway is a Pussy.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Think, l have listened to George Galloway.
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0l still disagree with him. He's a nut & has no ideas.
Don't pin your hopes on him.
Your Falklands claim is as rediculous as he is.
Now, Think, are you going to buy those shares or not?
l think if you were nice to Beef, he would probably give you a few tips.
Peace
George Galloway the cat
Jul 02nd, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-D5XoNWFSQ
@63
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As for Galloway little support amongst Scots...... Your loss, mate.”
Hardly a loss.
(66) Cher Isolde
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 12:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0After hearing and seeing George Galloway confronting and tearing apart that US Senate committee with the (now historical) truth about the Iraqi war, you still disagree with him and say that he's a nut & has no ideas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrdFFCnYtbk
You are truly a good Colonial Soldier, my dear!
A regular Miss Marple is our George
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 08:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0George Galloway american Rachel Corrie was murdered by nazi israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImEz1HVVFgs
George Galloway blames Jill Dando murder on Yugoslavia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImEz1HVVFgs
@69Think,
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 08:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well he makes a lot of good points. l admit l did not watch your video because l thought it was just another pro-Argentine, anti-Falkland rant.
l heard the talkback radio where he said that we should “talk”to Argentina about our sovereignty.
Something that l utterly reject.
So l made a wrong assumption that your video was just along the same lines.
Because l have always said that we should never have gone into lraq or Afghanistan. So we do agree on something!
l will not listen to anyone or anything that says that your country has any rights in our country, for you do not.
(71) Isolde
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0In my humble opinion, Mr. Galloway has many good points, including Malvinas.
George Galloway on Libya
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk2u-pvOpcc
George Galloway on Lebanon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk2u-pvOpcc
George Galloway on Gaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk2u-pvOpcc
George Galloway on Mice
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-D5XoNWFSQ
he was in gig brother, oh what a mess,
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0depending on your point of view,
mind you i have found that galloways is a good cough mixture lol.
To borrow an Aussie phrase, Galloway is up himself. He's an embarassment to Scotland. Whilst I didn't and still don't agree with Iraq, I found his ass kissing of the mass murderer Saddam Hussein excrutiating. No matter how he has tried to justify it since, he was never that naive a political animal to make a statement that would be misconstrued.
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW any notice El Thicko's distraction tactic worked again.
Chuckle chuckle
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can “sense” that Mr. “JustinhisheadKuntz”, aka “Wee Curry Monster” will be returning to MercoPress after being, once again, kicked out of Wikipedia by quite a few Wiki Administrators tired of his “small convenient lies” and abuses on the Gibraltar and Malvinas/Falklands articles……………
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Wee_Curry_Monster
Still stalking El Thicko, or should I call you Alejandro?
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ale Ale Alejandro? Ale Ale Alejandro...
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-ZUuHXgQ8k
FYI,
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gaga in Filipino means female idiot. Gago is male idiot.
Big insult in the Philippines, only Tenga is worse.
l wonder if she knows
l don't mind her music though.
Anyone going to help me out with my questions in post #53? They're not rehetorical questions, I really want to know what the Argentine take is.
Jul 03rd, 2011 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@80 the closest I can think of would be Iles de Kerguelen, except the Malagasy Republic doesn't seem to be bothering them and the French aren't saying that Heard island should be theirs....
Jul 04th, 2011 - 01:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I imagine the Mozambiqueans (sp) could claim Madagascar as theirs and kick the implanted malay population out... the malays have only been there about a thousand years .......
(79) Isolde
Jul 04th, 2011 - 02:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0FYI
She surely knows.......
Freddy may have known too......
The guy in orange knows for sure……
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAVVVMcTShQ
(53) and (80) Stakeholder
You ask:
“Does anyone know of any other case in the world which is like the Falklands, historically, geographically, culturally and demographically?”
I say:
Nope......, that's why you are considered a “special case” at the UN.
Like the dancing, Think. Just beginning to think you might be human after all, then you go and spoil it with your stupid remarks to Stakeholder. We are no more a special case than you are, Andean squatter.
Jul 04th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are not considered a special case at the UN. Argentina frequently states that but it doesn't make that UN policy.
Jul 04th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(83) Cher Isolde
Jul 04th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t “Think” you are a human being................
I know you are one.
A steadfast and sincere one…
And ,as a Malvinera, a special case in the United Nations eyes…. :
“21 June 2011 - General Assembly - GA/COL/3225
”In a busy day that kept issues of territorial disputes at the forefront, the Special Committee on Decolonization today adopted a consensus resolution reiterating that the way to end the “special and particular” colonial situation in the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) was through the peaceful, negotiated settlement of the sovereignty dispute between Argentina and the United Kingdom.”
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs//2011/gacol3225.doc.htm
I repeat:
“Special and particular” colonial situation in the Falkland Islands (Malvinas)
“Special and particular” situation in the Malvinas Islands.
“Special and particular” situation in Malvinas.
“Special ” situation in Malvinas.
“Special ”
PS:
You may read it too, Mr. JustinhisheadKuntz;....................... and learn.
I reckon the Falklands are special and that's why we must continue to keep them safe from Argentine aggression and greed.
Jul 04th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's only argument appears to be that the Islands are near to Argentina so they must belong to Argentina.
Sorry but that's a really silly argument.
The islands have been settled for many years and the inhabitants don't want to become part of Argentina. Any Argentinian that cannot respect the Islanders wishes, quite frankly, isn't worth bothering with.
Think #85.
Jul 04th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From what you quote, all the United Nations General Assemby did was note a C24 statement.
This is hardly earth-shattering stuff, Think.
Think, got no real problemn with the concept of negotiations but please explain to me:
Jul 04th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it “negotiations” ,when one side states in advance that the there is only one acceptable outcome- it wins full sovereign control and the wishes of the people who live in that territory are irrelevant?
Negotiations are surely when both sides sit down to an open agenda, with no preconditions on the final outcome,and look for an acceptable “middleground” type solution - AND - as people are involved-and its the 21st century their wishes count.
Think,
Jul 04th, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A UN press statement re-iterating what Argentina stated is not an official statement of UN policy. Yes we know Argentina has been pulling that stunt since the 1960s. It wasn't convincing then and it isn't now.
Equally the C24 is an advisory body to the IV Committee it does not make or represent UN policy. And a press statement repeating what Argentina wanted them to say doesn't make it UN policy.
None of what you posted means a hill of beans.
So carry on being a spiteful little anonymous coward hiding behind your anonymous pseudonym and being more than a little creepy stalking people. Clearly you're special and particular/peculiar, tittering away to yourself alone.
TWIMC
Jul 04th, 2011 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No wonder that Mr. JustinhisheadKuntz has been kicked out of Wikipedia.
Respect for the truth and civility are not his force…………………
Anyhow…………….
The text reproduced below has been an integral part of every UN Special Committee on Decolonization draft resolution since 1998:
”1. Reiterates that the way to put an end to the
special and particular colonial situation in the question of
the Falkland Islands (Malvinas) is the peaceful and
negotiated settlement of the dispute over sovereignty
between the Governments of Argentina and the United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland…….”
See: Page 43, Point 1
http://www.undemocracy.com/A-53-23.pdf
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Jul 05th, 2011 - 03:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN might wish it but it could be that a peaceful resolution to this dispute isn't possible because a peaceful resolution doesn't exist.
Jul 05th, 2011 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina will continue to make life difficult (which isn't in the UN spirit of promoting a peaceful resolution) but the Islanders seem to be coping very well so there you go.
El Thicko, again in words of one syllable.
Jul 05th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0UN C24 does not make or represent UN policy.
Are you too stupid to grasp something as basic as that.
And I haven't been kicked out of Wikipedia, as you well know. Well known in fact for treating facts neutrally; having been accused by Brits of being pro-Argentine and Argentines of being pro-British.
But then the truth is not something a lying little creep like you is too familiar with. Stalked anyone else recently?
I see the nutters from El Malvinense are back, guess I must worry you as you spend so much time talking about me.
TWIMC
Jul 05th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will all have to accept that in Mr. JustinhisheadKuntz’s head, the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization does not represent the United Nations……...........................
But for the rest of us, normal ”Thinking” people, it is quite evident that the United Nations Special Committee on Decolonization does indeed represent the United Nations…..
Think, remove your head from your arse and pin on your listening ears.
Jul 05th, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN C24 does not make or represent UN policy.
In ACTUAL fact the UN C24 is supposed to represent the people of dependent territories to the UN. Something it fundamentally fails to do.
That you consider yourself A) Normal or B) capable of logical or rational thought is delusional.
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Jul 05th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Special Committee on Decolonization was established in 1961 by the General Assembly with the purpose of monitoring the implementation of the Declaration (General Assembly Resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960).
Jul 05th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Special Committee annually reviews the list of Territories to which the Declaration is applicable and makes recommendations as to its implementation..”
http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/specialcommittee.shtml
C24 without doubt represent UN policy and the main purpose is find the way to implement the process of des-colonization in those territories.
Anyone that think UN or C-24 is not doing correct their job...could write to UN and tell them..or ICJ ? sound bizarre to me....anywway you could try.
until now, the international community strong support Argentina´s position, so maybe is time for re-think what is going on and not show to the world a Mr Bean mentallity in this.
Where does it say it makes UN Policy?
Jul 05th, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0C24 does not represent UN policy, it makes recommendations to the IV committee who have been quietly ignoring its recommendations for some time.
The British Government rarely attends C24 meetings as it considers them a waste of time.
Happy to go to the ICJ and if you believe the international community supports Argentina you're delusional. You are of course aware that Argentina doesn't have the balls to take this to the ICJ?
#98 idem 97, read again, C24 without doubt represent UN policy.
Jul 05th, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The British Government rarely attends C24 meetings as it considers them a waste of time”
This kind of behavior is undesirable for the responsibilities conferred on a member of the Security Council at the UN and certainly one of the reasons why in the not too distant future the UK will lose its place for being a continuous and systematic bad example for the world in violation of the law.
only a child crys for something that he can never have,
Jul 05th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and argentina,, you cannot have the falklands ok.
The C24 meetings are a waste of time, as they are supposed to be for the purpose of assisting the people of dependent territories to achieve self-determination through:
Jul 05th, 2011 - 09:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a) Independence
b) Free association with the parent state
c) Integration
Its purpose is not to allow nation states like Argentina an opportunity to grand stand political claims to territories it has never possessed, the correct venue for which is the ICJ. The C24 has not followed its mission and territories like the Falklands, which have chosen Free Association should have been removed from its list long ago. The UK has met its obligations under the UN Charter. The C24 is and remains a waste of time and is basically ignored by the IV Committee.
As to the rest, grow up and stop following the Kirchner line, its bollocks. The UK is not in violation of any law over the Falklands, take it to the ICJ and see how far that fiction will carry you.
So once again the C24 does not and has never made policy, it has made recommendations to the IV committee, which are ignored. And even the IV committee has to have its recommendations accepted by the General Assembly before it is adopted as policy.
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Jul 06th, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0I reckon the Falklands are special and that's why we must continue to keep them safe from Argentine aggression and greed.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina's only argument appears to be that the Islands are near to Argentina so they must belong to Argentina.
Why do not get the proper education,insterad of writting nonse..
uk is a goner!
Well because I like to post here insterad. Anyway whats wrong with writting nonse? We can't all get the proper education like you, you know.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must feel really blessed being such an intelligent and articulate Argentinian. I'm so pleased for you.
Well because I like to post here insterad. Anyway whats wrong with writting nonse? We can't all get the proper education like you, you know.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You must feel really blessed being such an intelligent and articulate
Like I said: Read works by international law experts.
Latinamercia supports argentine sovereinity on Malvinas.
Brazil recognozes Argentine sovereignity on Malvinas,San Pedro(SG) and SS.
Just read the papers
Latin America and the Caribbean recognize the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands and will support this nation in the conflict with the UK in a statement signed by the participants in the Rio Group
http://www.todanoticia.com/6791/america-latina-apoya-argentina-islas/?lang=en
Brazil recognizes Argentine sovereignty over South Georgia and South Sandwich islands
http://www.todanoticia.com/6791/america-latina-apoya-argentina-islas/?lang=en
The British Resort to Force in the Falklands/Malvinas Conflict 1982 International Law and Just War Theory
http://www.todanoticia.com/6791/america-latina-apoya-argentina-islas/?lang=en
Regards
105 Malvinero1 ,,,,,Latin America and the Caribbean recognize the sovereignty of Argentina over the Falklands and will support this nation in the conflict with the UK ,,,,,,,,,,
Jul 06th, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0NAME ONE THAT WILL TAKE UP ARMS IN YOUR NAME,
Let,see,brit: Last time,were the conditions were much worse for Argentina” Peru,send airplanes,pilots,offered subs and voluntary troops.
Jul 06th, 2011 - 10:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Venezuela offered 2000 paras as well as Cuba.Many Irish offered as a volunteer to fight brit imperialism.
Now there will be much more than that/
Remember,brtish warship cannot dock in Brazil,Uruguay,etc
This time,the support will be far more,if Argentina ask for help....
At that time many disliked the junta...
So you are goners....it is a matter of time.....
core no CORE
Jul 06th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0with all that support
AND YOU STILL LOST
core ?????????????
We did not accepted,the manpower....May offered,never used.......
Jul 07th, 2011 - 01:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I have said offered,not used.....briton: You really are a decadent.......
Bye,bye...
How long for Malvinas to come to Argentina????
You want to bet britton?
105 “Like I said..........”
Jul 07th, 2011 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well you didn't actually.....
All these countries support Argentina claim to sovereignty but surely somebody as intelligent as you can see that the people you need to convince are the Falkland Islanders and the British people. So far despite you're undoubted intellect you are not succeeding.
107 Threatening military action...again...... is rather like shooting yourself in the foot. I agree with Briton in his assessment of the military support Argentina will actually receive from third parties.
109 What date did you have in mind and what odds are you offering?
Who said military action...you are going to go by itself.....
Jul 07th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only one that believe in the military muscle is uk...
Legally,you have a problem....
legally you have no case [period]
Jul 07th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0legally you have no case [period]
Jul 07th, 2011 - 11:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhh!!
What a liar.......so we will kick you out......no problem....
Medically,you are a LIAR!!
Really,show me the papaers of the property......
Too bad UN,UNASUR,Mercosur,think otherwise...That is the reason you have a military in Malvinas..You are squatters..
No property tittles......
Too bad for uk......we are winning the battle....
Why uk did not showed up
111
Jul 08th, 2011 - 06:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who said military action? - See 107
What about that bet? Put your pesos where your mouth is. All you need to provide are some odds and a date by which you think Argentina will succeed either militarily or by some other means.
@113Malvinero,
Jul 08th, 2011 - 08:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Why uk did not showed up”
Not showed up where?
Winning what battle?
You are squatters in Patagonia, l request that you now leave!
uk did not showed up to court.Argentina invited 5 time to arbitration,uk did not showed up.....You did not know???
Jul 08th, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really,Patagonia? Who is complaining.......
Chile? Unfortunately for you there is a treaty.
Show me the treaty,in which Argentina,ceded Malvinas to uk......
You do not have the property tittle..You did not know..
Is strange you pulled the Patagonia...Patagonia has a treaty.Chile,agree to that.
The treaty of 1881,it was with an arbitration...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_treaty_of_1881_between_Chile_and_Argentina
So Argentina has the papers....with consent of Chile...
Too bad for you squatters....
You are soo primitive....
WHy do you think uk needs the military there in Malvinas...Because you are there illegally...
BS Malvinero
Jul 08th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never attempted to take this to the ICJ and it refused to accept a case involving the Falkland Islands depedencies. There is nothing to stop Argentina unilaterally referring to the ICJ for an advisory opinion.
Show you a treaty where Argentina gave up its claim
1850 Convention of Settlement - http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement
The military presence is there to deter further Argentine aggression, when there was a token presence as in 1982, Argentina invaded.
116
Jul 08th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, have the courage of your convictions - date and odds please! Otherwise you will be shown up to be just another Argentinian Blowbag and we wouldn't want that.
Malvinero1 being stupid is one thing,
Jul 08th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but being ignorant is beyon belief
their is no point talkling to a fool who will only belive what his masters tell him,
and you wonder why people laugh at you,
so insult if you want, ,,but like all children crying will get you knowhere .
BS Malvinero
Jul 08th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has never attempted to take this to the ICJ and it refused to accept a case involving the Falkland Islands depedencies. There is nothing to stop Argentina unilaterally referring to the ICJ for an advisory opinion.
Show you a treaty where Argentina gave up its claim
1850 Convention of Settlement - en.wikisource.org/wiki/1850_Convention_of_Settlement
Malvinero1 being stupid is one thing,
but being ignorant is beyon belief
their is no point talkling to a fool who will only belive what his masters tell him,
and you wonder why people laugh at you,
so insult if you want, ,,but like all children crying will get you knowhere
The only stupids and ignorants are you...
The convention of 1850...
Read the answer to david by an Argentine lawyer......david never showed up
after...........
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/falkland-islands/TR0KI67QOU0O96MB3/p4
briton,you not only are ignorant,but stupid as well.
Do you understand how the law works?After you take a territory by force,a treaty has to follows.There is no treaty,the property is invalid..are you mentally ok....
The British Resort to Force in the Falklands/Malvinas Conflict 1982 International Law and Just War Theory
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/falkland-islands/TR0KI67QOU0O96MB3/p4
By the way: You are loosing in every UN resolutions,C24,Mercosur,UNASUR,OAS,etc
if your case is sooo goood,I will wait for you next year at the C24.
Brazil attacks UN over Falklands stand-off
http://www.topix.com/forum/world/falkland-islands/TR0KI67QOU0O96MB3/p4
Next step,will be to kick out the brits from UN security Council,since they ARE NOT OBSERVING THE LAW....
Bye,bye,uk...
By the way,isolde: Do you see the way Argentina has dealt with territorial matters? In a very civilized way.Going to arbitration over Patagonia.The arbitrator was an Amercian,call Buchanan.Chile was more intereste in the Puna de Atacama,and not the Patagonia.There is a treaty...You do not have one
The British Resort to Force in the Falklands/Malvinas Conflict 1982
Jul 08th, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[your saying the british invaded the falklands
YOU ARE AS THICK AS SHIT
go home you stupid little child .
YOU ARE AS THICK AS SHIT
Jul 09th, 2011 - 02:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0go home you stupid little child SUperIDIOT!!!!!!!!!
IDIOOOTTTTTTT!!
GOD FOR nothing!!1
britton: Did you read the Law?or youre sooo stupid you can not read???
Squatter!!LIAR!!!
Goto HELLLL!!!
Pirate!!
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS!!!
@122
Jul 09th, 2011 - 03:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see a well balance rational response from what one must assume is the deeper end of the RG gene pool.....
Good to see a well balance rational response from what one must assume is the deeper end of the RG gene pool
Jul 09th, 2011 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Coming from an“honest” person,tipically british is reassuring.....
Evrything I have placed,is what the law says......
Well balance,rational,totally inexistent on the brit side........Observing the law,not in the british turf.....
ooooooooooooh
Jul 09th, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0bit a nerve did we.
little children who play with matches
get burnt.
or are you just flipper in clover lol
125
Jul 09th, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He's just an Argentinian blowbag and not worth the time of day.
thanks Englander.
Jul 09th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that - @ 124 - was quite funny....
Jul 09th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You both,britton and engl: YOu both are SOOOO good,help the Malvinenses win the C24,I will wait for you to help them......
Jul 09th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So far edwards from Malvinas is crying because no booody listen to him...
Brake my hearts....
You are Soooo Stupid ...who cares coming from a decadent, non-law compliants,stupid country.....
You are goners in the South Atlantic....
Take the 2 clowns, Salt& pepper with you to the UN......No body listen to the loosers..
By the way,the ICJ is part of the UN.....
Bye bye squatters....
I am having a looot of fun with two ignorants.....
C24 supports Argentina Falklands claim; Taiana blasts UK unilateral actions
http://en.mercopress.com/2009/06/19/c24-supports-argentina-falklands-claim-taiana-blasts-uk-unilateral-actions
Next time people: Do not let cry,edwards,from Malvinas.
Since you both are eminences in history and Law,help them.
I am sure with you vast knowledge,you will help them....
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