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“The News of the World” last mobile phone hacking message: “Thank You & Goodbye”
The final edition of the paper engulfed in a phone hacking scandal was published today as Rupert Murdoch headed to London to try to save the bigger prize of his takeover of the British broadcaster BSkyB. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGoodbye, and thanks for all the fish(iness) ..... apologies to the Hitchhiker's Guide
Jul 10th, 2011 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
“The scandal has raised questions about relations between politicians, including Cameron - who hired a former editor of the paper as his spin doctor - and media barons such as News Corp. chairman and chief executive Murdoch, 80”
Jul 10th, 2011 - 05:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good bye UK.
silly boy.
Jul 10th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At least we get coruption out into the open to deal with it.
You guys just hide it,
but then thats the difference between the UK and Argentina
it is better to expose corruption and suffer a bit of ribbing,
than hid and support coruption by taking people to court who try to tell the truth.
proud to be british
feel sorry for you argies lol.
An arigie talking about corruption lol
Jul 10th, 2011 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results
Still full of it then MoreCrap :-)
A Brutish talking about corruption lol
Jul 10th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284132/Tony-Blair-special-adviser-dictator-Gaddafis-son.html
Wait, so is there police corruption... IN THE UK? Geoff, come over here and tell me what is this all about. I thought Latin America had the monopoly over corruption and crime, and that the UK, on the other hand, had stability, happy children, good food, rainbows, sunny sky.... oops!
Jul 10th, 2011 - 11:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To Redhoyt (#4): “an argie talking about corruption?” ... YES, with all the corruption we have in our government (Kristina) I'm pretty sure no one knows better than us. In the other hand, there is (and will be) corruption worldwide, in UK you fight it, in Argentina Kristina supports it. Being argentine, and living in Argentina, I can talk about it!!!!
Jul 11th, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0so is there police corruption... IN THE UK?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0When our Police turn to killing kids I let you lecture me
THE KILLINGS ESCALATE IN BRAZIL
http://pangaea.org/street_children/latin/brazil.htm
Street Children: More and More Killed Everyday
The answer, lamentably, is that killing children is a profitable 'pastime' in Brazil. The so called 'cycle of impunity' means not only neglect or omission, but a rather profitable corruption scheme within public security and law-enforcement agencies. Tania de Almeida, head judge of Duque de Caxias Court, delivered a powerful speech at the Street Children Hearing in Copenhagen. The judge explained a vicious circle: the powerful elite in Rio pay private security agencies to provide for its safety; these agencies are headed by police officers or chiefs of the Military Police; rank-and-file police officers, unable to live on their salaries, often moonlight, quite commonly for the security agencies; reassured by the cycle of impunity, the security agencies branch out into 'illegal' business, which as often as not, turns out to be 'cleaning up' the streets for dissatisfied merchants
@stick
Jul 11th, 2011 - 12:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wasn't lecturing anyone. My post #7 is due to a discussion I had with Geoff in which he insisted he could use the existence of corrupt cabinet members to label a whole country. I want him to tell me whether I can use this incident to make broad statements about the British society just like he enjoys doing to LatAm.
But you know what? I don't know about the British police, but I do know about the Army and its Irish victims:
- 13-year-old Brian Stewart of Turf Lodge, West Belfast.
Died in hospital six days after he was struck by a British Army plastic bullet yards from his home. His inquest heard that the soldier did not know the rules governing the use of baton rounds.
- 11-year-old Stephen McConomy of Derry City.
Died three days after being hit by a plastic bullet in April 1982. Witnesses said Stephen was standing with his hands in his pockets when he was struck from a distance of 17 feet.
- 11-year-old Frank Rowntree of West Belfast.
Died four days after being struck by an allegedly doctored rubber bullet in April 1972 fired by a member of the British Army. His inquest heard a British Army representative admit he did not know at what distance it was permissible to fire a rubber bullet gun or at which part of the body it should be aimed.
- 10-year-old Stephan Geddis of West Belfast.
Died in August 1975, two days after being struck in the head by a rubber bullet.
- 15-year-old Paul Whitters of Derry City.
Died in April 1981, 10 days after being struck in the head by a plastic bullet fired by the RUC.
- 14-year-old Julie Livingstone of Lenadoon Estate, West Belfast.
Struck by a plastic bullet as she returned from a shop near her home in May 1981 and died the next day. Witnesses said rioting in the area began AFTER she was shot.
- 12-year-old Carol Ann Kelly of Twinbrook, West Belfast.
Struck by a plastic bullet near her home in May 1981 and died two days later. She too was returning from a store and was carrying a carton of milk when she was shot.
- 15-year-old Seamus Duffy from Oldpark, North Belfast.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was struck in the rib cage as he ran from RUC vehicles in the New Lodge area in August 1989. He died shortly afterwards.
Conclusion: your police feels pretty confortable in targeting children if only they have a good excuse beforehand (suppressing anti-nationalist rioters, for example).
By the way, if your evidence about street children killings is that, then allow me to enlighten you. Such killings are object of obsession by leftist activists and NGOs who try to impose a “class fight” interpretation on gang conflicts - an attempt to throw at the broader society the blame for the action of some contemptible outlaws. The “street children” killed are themselves involved in gang activity - for there are no saints in here! - and their deaths are the result of the lives they lead. There are no police batallions dedicated to killing children, this is an urban legend. The closest to that was the Esquadrão da Morte, created during the dictatorship times and disbanded more than 30 years ago. Now it's your turn, tell me about those evil Irish kids your police officers eliminated. After all, to explain away your crimes is something you British do so well, as seen in the case of my countrymen Jean Charles M.
The “street children” killed are themselves involved in gang activity - for there are no saints in here! - and their deaths are the result of the lives they lead.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont they have courts in Brazil?
There are no police batallions dedicated to killing children,
No the cops moonlight at it
tell me about those evil Irish kids your police officers eliminated. After all, to explain away your crimes is something you British do so well,
30 Years of troubles in Northern Ireland and you can name the kids killed,by rubber bullets used during riots
Pity Brazil dont use rubber bullets
In the first six months of 2003, 621 civilians were killed by the city's police, the report says.
Rio police killings condemned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3190101.stm
According to police figures, 596 minors were killed last year in Rio de Janeiro, up from 513 in 1994. But human rights groups say many more are killed and buried in hidden graves.
as seen in the case of my countrymen Jean Charles M
Whos surname you cant remember
Menezes
The Home Office says his visa expired at that time and that he remained illegally in the UK until his death.
And to use your logic on the deaths of street children (and their deaths are the result of the lives they lead) he shouldnt of been in the country running away from the police
- Do gangs anywhere in the world settle disputes in court?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- Your link says nothing categorical about the circumstances in which those “civilians” were killed. Perhaps police-gang conflicts? I don't know and neither do you or BBC. All that's suggested is that a large number of them were indeed killed during police conflicts with drug gangs. And please, shut up. You know nothing about this, and you look ridiculous in trying to comment about it by posting links you just found on google. And as I told you before, my challenge to Geoff wasn't even an attempt to smear officers or anyone else in Britain, or to make a statement about the UK civil society. I was instead turning against Geoff his habit of using isolated events to make statements about a whole nation. It's a pity that your hypersensitive, childish nationalism cannot accept even thought experiments.
- Those kids weren't all of the victims of UK violence in NI. They were just selected samples to prove a point: that UK officers have killed indeed police officers and as such you should get off of your high horse. As for the full extent of British brutality in NI, I think your PM has said enough. And by the way, that those kids were murdered by rubber bullets doesn't make it any less repulsive.
- I did remember his name, and if I had any difficulty in this respect you wouldn't know it since I could've found it easily on the internet. As for blaming his murder on his ilegal status, well this just proves my other point: that you British are indeed very willing to whitewash your crimes with petty excuses. Killing a young man - and denigrating him to justify the “mistake” - is a fair punishment for overstaying in a country? What, don't you have immigration courts? And by the way, JC wasn't running from anyone. He probably didn't even know police was after him, and as witnesses said, he kept cool even after the officers pointed guns at his face. Oh, and it shouldn't be forgotten that some UK citizens that were nearby took part in denigrating JC - saying, for example, that he wore suspicious clothing with wires coming out of it: allegations that further investigations disproved. It does make me wonder, though: why were they saying such things about JC? Is it plausible that he British Met was convinced them to? Boy, UK olice corruption is worse than I thought.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for those BR kids you're referring to, they are, as I said, victims of gang violence in which he are themselves involved: nt the victims of unconnus rogue officers bribed by invisible mean elites.
Hit a nerve have I?
Jul 11th, 2011 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Two pages,jees, The Lady Doth Protest too Much
You keep your head in the sand,or in your case up your aR*e
You like list of names,have some of this
Candelária massacre
According to survivors, the morning of the day before the massacre, a young group of children threw stones at police cars. Some of policemen allegedly told them, “don't worry, we will get you soon!” As children from the Candelária church were usually given warnings such as these by policemen, the young perpetrators left without worrying too much about the threat.
At midnight, a few cars came to a halt in front of the Candelária church. Next, gunfire shots were heard. The children tried to cover up, but eight of them were shot to death, with several others wounded. One of the children present that night, Sandro Rosa do Nascimento, would later commit one of Brazil's most infamous crimes.
List of those killedPaulo Roberto de Oliveira, 11 years old
Anderson Thome Pereira, 13 years old
Marcelo Candido de Jesus, 14 years old
Valdevino Miguel de Almeida, 14 years old
“Gambazinho”, 17 years old
“Nogento”, 17 years old
Paulo José da Silva, 18 years old
Marcos Antonio Alves da Silva, 20 years old
Oh brother...
Jul 11th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You failed to address any of my points, and are repeating the same dumb strategy of trying to make arguments by pointing to random links or excerpts you just found on the internet. You never make any original arguments, do you? Instead you select whatever “evidence” that's within your reach to prove your assumptions. You should know, however, that reality isn't so black on white. People on the opposite side of a discussion may also aduce evidence to support their case, and I've already done so by citing those N. Irish kids that your soldiers killed, sometimes with no provocation or pressure being applied over them such as in the case of Julie Livingstone.
And I'm going to repeat this: I couldn't care less about the UK, the UK police or what the UK police does to UK citizens. I'm only commenting in here because I'm interested in Geoff's reaction - Geoff's, not yours. Geoff has this old habit of trying to paint a bleak portrait of Brazil, and sometimes other LatAm countries, using this sort of scandals. I want to see if he's willing to accept the same is done to the UK - his idealized, dear UK - since his statements about LatAm are informed by simplistic, black-on-white impressions. Again: I'm not interested in discussing the ethics of the UK police (which I don't really believe is very high anyway). You can shove your dear officers wherever you want to. From me, you won't have any further comment on them - for I'm not interested in you.
N. Irish kids that your soldiers killed, sometimes with no provocation or pressure being applied over them such as in the case of Julie Livingstone.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unlike the street kids throwing stones at the police car,resulting in the
Candelária massacre
look it that huh, corruption in the UK and some clown (Geotard) even dared to claim that it doesn't exist in his good and cozy UK. My god, as I typed many times here, brits are ugly people, not only from the outside but also from in the inside.
Jul 11th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[1] Forgetit86 it may be wise just to concentrate on the Argentina thing .
Jul 11th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 02, how do you know we are ugly on the inside?
Have you thus been inside one,
And if you are all made in his image, does that not make you ugly ,
[][ mmm beauty is in the eye of the beholder,, not the beholden, [mmm]
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