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Malvinas veterans ask for anthropologists to identify Argentine soldiers buried at Darwin cemetery
A Centre of Malvinas War Veterans and next of kin presented a petition before a federal court requesting the identification of Argentine combatants buried at the Darwin Cemetery in the Falkland Islands and the circumstances of their death during the South Atlantic conflict in 1982. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“ .. For this “we propose that a team of Argentine anthropologists be established in the Islands and with an advance base address the pertaining studies of the cases”. ..”
Aug 04th, 2011 - 05:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unlikely ... tell you what though, we'll send all the remains back and you can do what you like :-)
After the Argentine government has done everything in it's power recently to make life as difficult as possible for the Falkland Islanders, it might be to much to ask.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 07:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of the day the final say on any scientific mission would be down to the Falkland Islanders, not the UK government and not the Argentine government.
I rather think the Islanders will rise above that and allow for the remains to be identified, they have always allowed the families access, even when it has been officially discouraged by the Argentine Government. Contrary to what the propaganda says, the land for the cemetery was donated so that the Argentine soldiers could have a christian burial as the owner couldn't bear the thought of them remaining in mass battlefield graves.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0But lets not forget that the reason so many remained unidentified is that the Argentines refused to co-operate in their identification. Even when requested to do so on the battlefield.
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Aug 04th, 2011 - 09:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0for all i read from your comments...
you mean that there must be DNA tests after graves digging out !!
As a Falkland Islander I believe that the identification of the Argentine soldiers remains is long overdue, If the Argentine government are now willing to let this take place, so that the parents and family members of these soldiers may find some peace, I would like to think that all islanders will welcome identification of the fallen as they have welcomed the Argentine Family’s that have come to the islands to pay there respects to there loved ones, even when discouraged to do so by there own government,
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0how sad it is to see the wards s
Soldiers Known Only To God
I would however not put it past the Argentine government to try and score some political points out of this. That would be another sign of disrespect to their veterans and the families of the fallen.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Clearly, identifying the remains of Argentine soldiers is long overdue.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0In terms of determining exactly how they died, that is another issue altogether. The statement “could lead to force us to consider possible war crimes or human rights abuses” is a concern. The fact that they bring this up implies that this is part of the reason that they want to do it.
It certainly makes you wonder whether there are any ulterior motives involved. They may be looking for the next proaganda coup.
As The petition was presented at the Criminal and Correctional Federal Court No. 10 under magistrate Julian Ercolini. Then I would think that Argentine government would welcome having a independent team from the ICJ to monitor the Argentine anthropologists, so that there can't be any misrepresentations of any of the findings.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article left me with the impression that the petitioner is alluding to crimes committed by Argentine officers against their conscripts.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0#9 Idlehands: “This article left me with the impression that the petitioner is alluding to crimes committed by Argentine officers against their conscripts.”
Aug 04th, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It gave me the impression that they were alluding to crimes committed by Argentina and/or the United Kingdom.
It's a very delicate situation and I get the feeling that whatever the motives, it will get used by the Argentinian Government for negative propaganda against the UK.
How would they get to the Falkland Islands?
Aug 04th, 2011 - 11:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would it be via a Falklands flagged vessel?
I don't understand. Each Unit has details by name of the fallen in combat. Is this a case of bodies found afterwards ?
Aug 04th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd be very surprised if the setting up of an “Argentine Base” on the Falklands, regardless of its purported purpose would raise some issues.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That, and the reasonable certainty that the Argentinian government would use it as a massive propaganda exercise.
If it were to happen, then I'd imagine that they'd have to get there on a Falklands flagged vessel having departed the mainland without having complied with the requirement to have completed the permit to sail.
#12 Artillero601: “I don't understand. Each Unit has details by name of the fallen in combat. Is this a case of bodies found afterwards ?”
Aug 04th, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I imagine that they know all the names, but cannot necessarily associate all of the bodies with a specific name due to the haste with which things probably had to be done at the time. The intention must be to make sure that each body is in an approriately marked grave rather than listed as simply unknown. This would seem to be an appropriate mark of respect for anyone who has died in combat, if it is feasible. It will give any relatives an appropriate focal point.
rather than a Argentine base,,
Aug 04th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0would it not be better if a team from the UN went in, under islander supervision,
perhaps the argentina goverment is hiding something,
and knowing that the islanders may not allow it, thus use this for propergander,, on the other hand, if allowed under UN supervision,
it could deny christina vital votes, especialy if was proven bad treatment by argentine officers,
but of course i can understand aslo, that they may well try to use this against ther british, by blaiming us for things we did not do,
a very delecate problem,
but what ever is decided, rather than argentine base,,, an indipendent UN team, may well help
just a thought .
#12 & #14
Aug 04th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A lot of the bodies were found without ID tags. At Goose Green and other battles the officers were asked to help with the identification of the dead but refused. Without co-operation they were buried in mass graves, not helped by a shortage of body bags due to the sinking of the Atlantic Conveyor.
After the war, the British Government asked for help in identifying the dead through the Red Cross but the request was denied by the Argentine government. In a similar vein, the offer to return the bodies for burial in Argentina was denied.
As a result, the land for the Argentine cemetery was donated to allow for a christian burial. Until 1999 the cemetery was maintained on an ad hoc basis by the Falkland Islanders through the Catholic diocese on the islands. The 1999 agreement allowed for a permanent memorial and upgrade of the simple wooden markers of the original cemetery.
Until the 1999 agreement, the arrangements for family visits was ad hoc, the islanders always facilitated such visits but they were frequently used for propaganda purposes by the Government of Argentina.
1 Redhoyt ”tell you what though, we'll send all the remains back and you can do what you like :-)”
Aug 04th, 2011 - 03:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is No Laughing Matter Englishman and they are buried in Argentinean soil.
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Why do these anthropologists need to set up a base? Are they scrap metal workers too?
Aug 04th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can imagine CFK making proposals that she knows will not be accepted and then use that as an opportunity for propaganda.
The dead should be repatriated to Argentina and if refused they should be buried at sea.
@16
Aug 04th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“officers were asked to help with the identification of the dead but refused” ..... that is hard to believe !!
Britons and Falkland Islanders, please note the comment at #17.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has it not been pointed out before that the Argies would attempt to make political capital out of this. Why, why, why were they allowed to be buried in FALKLANDS soil? Allowing this is reasonable when your enemy admits that they were beaten and gives up previous objectives. Argentina has done neither.
I'm with Redhoyt on this. Remember that it was British servicepeople who came 8,000 miles to recover your country. It was British servicepeople who died for that. So British people should get a say.
Dig 'em up. Load 'em on a Falklands-flagged vessel and sail. Head for B.A. Advise the Argentine authorities of the cargo. If they refuse permission to dock and off-load, advise that the cargo will be off-loaded at the territorial limit. Wait 6 hours for response. If permission is not granted to dock and unload, discharge the coffins/body bags over the side on the territorial limit.
This is an Argentine political ploy. They have no concerns for their war dead. They've killed enough of their own people to make this obvious.
Do NOT be conned by your honourable principles. Your enemy has NO principles. Remove the Argentine “outpost” on the Falkland Islands. Remove reason for Argentines to visit the Falkland Islands.
The more I read about Argentina the more I am convinced that they have not one iota of common decency and honour.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This latest move is nothing more than a propaganda stunt by discredited low life scum.
These soldiers died for their country, the vast majority of them were ill prepared for a vastly more experienced Army and Navy not forgetting the Royal Air Force just as they are now. When it was all over the very officers who led them into this conflict did not have the decency to go over to their bodies and try to identify them, what a despicable excuse they were for officers( can anyone imagine a British officer not trying to identify any of his men who had died) I think not, no I will rephrase that last bit, I know that they would.
And as for 17 Marcos Alejandro despicable remark, all I can say to that keep day dreaming idiot.
The fallen soldiers should have been repatriated home thirty years ago so that their families could have grieved at their graves, not buried on a windswept Island that they have to spend a fortune to visit every year or so. But no like the despicable Government that is in place now the despicable Government of 83 who had sent them to their deaths did not want them on Argentine soil, you see like the despicable Government that wants now to honer them there was no such political gain to be had.
@21
Aug 04th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“When it was all over the very officers who led them into this conflict did not have the decency to go over to their bodies and try to identify them ....”
where do you guys get this information from ????? I would like to know!
@20 what an ass !!!
That ass@20 name is Brian Riches(Typhoon/Harrier61/Conqueror and more)
Aug 04th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 021 Britishbulldog, Despicable remark because I said that the soldiers are buried in Argentinean soil?
If I believe Malvinas is part of Argentina what do you expect me to say.
I never believed the BS from our dictators back then however you can see at the 4 minute mark that Lt Taylor was buried in a very respectful way and we should have the decency to respect the dead on both sides.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7fc_1302790601
I read all commets, I laughed, most of all you speak aphakia,
Aug 04th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0some of you know nothing,some of you want to avert the subject.
I sense some confusion from the Brits names users commentators.
I can not see any connoisseur Argie names users commentators.
I think the Falklanders should welcome the Argentinians with open arms but make them set up camp in the left over mine fields.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They will either learn their way around them or they won't and it's no big loss either way.
I forgot to say,
Aug 04th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see some ignorance from the American names users commentators.
#22
Aug 04th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0David Cooper, who was the padre of 2 Para in 1982.
He had some conscripts who volunteered to gather the Argentine dead, he went to their officer and asked for the Argentine officers and NCO to assist in identifying the bodies. For humitarian reasons he wanted to be able to let the families and next of kin know what happened.
The senior officer replied that he knew who he'd lost and would not help in anyway.
If you want to read about it, Forgotten Voices of the Falklands War, Edited by Hugh McManners. p.281
I can't imagine a British officer doing the same but it was to be repeated again on Mount Longdon and other battles. This is the main reason why so many are unidentified.
@27
Aug 04th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks for the info
27 JustinKuntz
Aug 04th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What I read is that this book consists of quotes. Does this book includes the name of this officer/officers or an interview of this officer/officers after the war?
I will like to hear the other side of the story.
(28) and (29)
Aug 04th, 2011 - 09:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You could try to read this......:
http://www.cescem.org.ar/informe_rattenbach/index.html
interestingly
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why bring this up after 30 odd years,
and during the election,
if she cant respect the dead, they why should we expect her to respect the living .
30 Think , Thanks.
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cooper says on page 279 same book, that 'it took between thirty six and fourty eight hours to produce a list of the dead' (British Paras)
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The reason being that they wanted to be accurate.
Michael Nicholson ITN correspondent says that 'we attended the burial of fifteen paras'
So it must be a very difficult job.
29 The only quotes from the Argentine side I can see in the battle at Darwin and Goose Green was Private Alejandro Ramon Cano, Grupo Artilleria aerotransportada.
do not the argentina goverment have a list of the missing,
Aug 04th, 2011 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps this may help
Think, Artillero
Aug 04th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Café Las Palabras Malvinas Esteban Rattenbach”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZdJueofGRc&feature=player_embedded#at=1367
I am sick and tired of being censored by the British on here!!! You afraid of the truth?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares how they died? Truth is they did not win. If they had won it would be British and colonials who would die.
Soon they will be dug up and for what? How can we know how they died 30 years on? It is like some kind of farce, Argentina digs up war dead to try and use as propaganda.
Truth is they lost. There were too many socialista amongst them who failed to realize the value of winning back Las Malvinas. They would have been better off alongside their socialista brothers disapeared.
I am fed up of all the people on here saying you don't like me. Why? Because I represent the thoughts of the average Argentine to the people of Las Mavlinas? Our beloved land! You live in our beloved island of mystic and beauty to which we would all willingly die for. That is why you hate me! But I do not care because I know our country is fascist to its core and will continue to hound you little islanders and there is nothing you can do about it. In the end it is power, that triumphs over right and therefore I give no cares to what you think. You do not exist.
Only Las Malvinas exists and the land my family wish to occupy regardless of your rights. Go to hell.
36 Filippo “I am sick and tired of being censored by the British on here!!!”
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0NoTyphoon you are wrong, your comment @20 still there.
That is not my comment. My comments are being censored by people afraid of the truth.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why are we to dig up our dead? It's is making a laughing stock of us!!! It is like we lost so now we wish to invent propaganda to explain why we lost. It is 30 years late!
What is next the British will want to prosecute our soldiers who showed them white flag in order to kill them? THIS IS WAR!!!
Next time we will have more white flags!!!!
“ ... I know our country is fascist to its core and will continue to hound you little islanders and there is nothing you can do about it. In the end it is power, that triumphs over right and therefore I give no cares to what you think...”
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmm .... you'll have to grow some cojones first I think!
Filippo is an englishman like Redhoyt.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Typhoon/Filippo I have to admit that you try very hard to improve your Spanish. You were correcting the erroneous use of las/los (Los Malvinas to Las Malvinas) after you were corrected, but now you call them “Las Mavlinas”@36.
Las que?
No I have never said Los Malvinas, if i did maybe typo!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0No me llames Inglés!
I think my spanish is improving - apparently it is his Llama that is english!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0(42) Redhoyt
Aug 05th, 2011 - 03:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your Spanish may be improving but your common sense is certainly receding….
At comment No. 1 you toy with the idea of desecrating the Argentinean tombs in Malvinas….................................................
Please do…..
It will certainly further the British reputation all over the world.
Sending the remains back is hardly 'desecration' Think! Someone will chant and provide due ceremony I don't doubt.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0But they should be returned as they don't belong on the islands.
They were invaders after all.
Invaders?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0So were the Brits hundreds of places all over the globe.......
Still, nobody is toying with the idea of desecrating any British War Cemetery anywhere in the world........
Only British haughtiness and disrespect for all others can come up with such idea..........
45 Well said!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 05:53 am - Link - Report abuse 041 Filippo/Typhoon Google translate?
My, but you are a drama queen Think!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0Desecration? No!
Repatriation? Yes!
And I believe that should apply to all war dead, whosoever they are and wherever home is. I'm not a believer in the 'foreign fields' approach.
Now put your wooden spoon away :-)
#42 Redhoyt: “I think my spanish is improving - apparently it is his Llama that is english!”
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least he has some company. I initially got the impression that he lived alone (or maybe with his Mum).
I wonder what he feeds it on?
in Spanish,
Aug 05th, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Las Malvinas explains geographical definition !
Los Malvineros explains a group from Malvinas !
Los Malvinas is not used ,
BUT
this expression would define some “ ad hoc” contexts !
Let them REST IN PEACE
Aug 05th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50Fjviera,
Aug 05th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed, let their mortal remains rest in peace. Their souls have long departed.
Marcos....the land of the Falklands is not Argentine, you believe they are, the reality is that they belong to the people who live and were born there. The fact that the Falklands are administrated and governed by the Falklands Government proves that the land is not Argentine. There is a massive difference from what you believe and what the reality is, you need to distinguish and understand this.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think it is not me that prescribes desecration of Argentine graves but Argentine war veterans who wish them dug up! This is clearly ridiculous.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for British war graves around the world I recall reading that the Bishop of Harare had all the graves removed from his cathedral and the British removed his flock and their church in Zimbabwe did not recognize him as true Bishop but the President of Zimbabwe did because he was a true Zimbabwean and not a colonial stooge. In Iraq too British war graves were desecrated by Iraqi angry at occupation.
Our war dead can be used for propaganda purposes when dug up but to me this is an abuse and they should rest in peace. Even the British do not dig up their dead to try and prove they were killed in cold blood. We kill people in cold blood throughout 70's and 80's, our own people.
We did a good job of it but we are in no position to claim British did it, when we had history of using white flag in oder to kill them. Next time we take more white flags and this matter is better left unsaid.
They have no right. They have been on our islands for 183 years. They have no right to be there unless they are rebirthed with Argentine birth certificates like the hero James Peck.
James Peck is my hero. He is our propaganda weapon he has no rights. We will eventually use all of them. Argentina was not built on weakness we had to pacify the Indians, fight our neighbors and British imperialists to build great nation.
We need more living space and farms and sea to fish. The people of Las Malvinas acording to the UN have rights. I SAY THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS! OUR GOVERNMENT SAY THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS! THEY MUST LEARN THEY HAVE NO RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Can I assume that you are not a leftie then ?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do suspect that the idea is to use our sense of honour against us, we will as British do the honourable thing, it is in our nature, we will end up allowing them their DNA tests in some way, because we extend that honour to the families of the honourable dead.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina makes political capital over this then that will show the World that they do not honour their dead, and we must insist that the history of Argentine Officers refusing to identify their fallen soldiers should also form a part of any conclusions drawn from the undertaking, since this is not a situation of our own making.
In 1982 the Argentine Officers would have known that the families of the dead might never have the opportunity of identifying the grave of their lost loved one, it is only with the advances of Science that we can finally give those families peace.
I would suggest it would be better if the Falklanders approached the UN to investigate and identify those requiring DNA testing, and that the Argentine Government's only input into this investigation would be to pay for the DNA samples from living relatives to be collected and sent to the UN. Talk of an Argentine 'advance base' brings too many memories of scrap metal merchants.
At the end of the day, it is the Islanders, those people that Argentina have no regard for, and who they believe have no Human Rights, are the people who will decide whether to grant the 'Rights' of identification to the Argentine dead, maybe the Argentine Government needs to present FIG with the figleaf, and bow as low as possible, at FIG's feet, tugging their collective forelocks, in forgiveness, for their continued stupidity.
@54
Aug 05th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Red, in reference to your comment # 1, I believe you were trying to be “cute”, you are a smart guy and I don't think you meant what you said .....
@30 El informe Rattenbach me lo lei 30 veces, el editado y no el editado
@33 All members of the Grupo de Artilleria Aerotrasnportado 4 are accounted for !!!!
http://youtu.be/9D3cDcH8pxQ
I think another problem with digging up war dead maybe they find that they were shot by their own officers? This would be bad. If any bodies are dug up they must be dug up by Argentine Military Police.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find it funny they we rely on 1833 as our claim for Malvinas and a German with an all male colony of British ex patriots, who was kicked off islands by America, then replace by man who was killed by his own men. Now we give James Peck his re-birthing certificate and wish to dig up war dead in a spiteful move to try and search for signs of malpractice.
Our claim for Las Malvins is becoming ever more farcical and desperate.
We need forget these tactics and just crush them under military boot, as Britain declines in power we can take this opportunity.
The time for talk is over, it is embarrassing us as all facts are against us and we are looking stupider and stupider.
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Aug 05th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Congratulations typhoon! You added a new word to your Spanish vocabulary:
“Las Malvins”
It took a while for you to get las or los Malvinas an then Mavlinas and now the latest masterpiece “Las Malvins” Keep trying boy, you'll get right one day.
in Spanish
Aug 05th, 2011 - 03:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there is no any like Las Malvins expression.,
BUT
if Spanish “ Las” / English “ Malvins” words combine
it's meaning would be :-- this area is about Argentine but
it's people is Brits(English) origin !
interesting !.....go on Filippo...
Yes Flipflop, you do look stupid. Always have and always will. At last an Argie that knows his place.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(56) Artillero601
Aug 05th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In reference to your comment about commentator No.1........, I don’t believe he was trying to be “cute”, he is a smart ex-copper and I know he means what he says .....
As you well know, Anglo-Uniforms have their own language.......
Kidnapping they call: “Extraordinary Rendition”
Killing women and children they call: “Collateral Damage”
Terrorism the call: “Preemtive Strike”
Desecrating tombs they call: “Repatriation”…………..
You should read the “Informe Rattenbach” once again.....…. This time with eyes wide open to see what disregard the “fine officers” of the Argentinean Army had for the “Colimbas”
All Argentinean soldiers are “accounted” for…………….. That is not the problem….
The problem is finding the corresponding name for the 123 unidentified graves at Darwin.
(58) Marcos Alejandro
Notice that he consequently writes the feminine article “las” with a capital “L” in the middle of a phrase!
Until now he has made four mistakes with just two Spanish words…….:
Our claim for Los Malvinas…. Wrong
Our claim for Las Malvinas…. Wrong
Our claim for Las Malvins….. Wrong
Our claim for Las Mavlinas… Wrong
What a British turnip
@61
Aug 05th, 2011 - 03:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In terms of the Officer's disregard for the COLIMBAS, I don't know but it doesn't mean it didn't happen , analyse the circumstances and make an honest opinion based on the EVIDENCE and NOT based on a political view. I remembered the press in 85, coming to the GA3, interviewing veterans and if the story wasn't bad, they were not interested.... do you follow? Personally, I am not aware of any case but again, I could be wrong.
Have you been a “Colimba”?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have.....
Do you follow?
Wonder what Argentinians call asking civilians to step out of helicopters in mid flight without parachutes?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder what they really mean by legal adoption?
As far as Argentinians visiting the Islands to dig up their poor dead soldiers, I don't see a problem, providing they have written permission from the all of the relatives that can be properly verified by UK Authorities, pay all costs incurred by the Falklands Island Government/UK Military and show proper respect at all times.
@63 No , I haven't but nobody had a problem with me or none of the Officers I knew or I know ....
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of the hundreds of Argentinean Milicos I have had the displeasure to be in contact with since early childhood, I can honestly say that maybe five or six where decent people...............
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ps.
Maybe seven.....................
Ps:
Let me give you an example, when a Colimba finishes his obligation and becomes a civilian, the same day , can wait for you outside and beat the crap out of you ... It didn't happen to me BUT it happened to others .... do you follow?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously you had a bad experience with Military personnel and I do understand it but not everybody is the same Think.
If I was a relative of one of the dead soldiers I would not want their body to be in an unmarked grave.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Independent experts should be employed to do the identification , which should not be difficult with modern forensic techniques. Sadly, I think some posters are right and there would be much twisting of facts for all the wrong reasons.
E, is this a real case of the need to identify the unknown fallen? (30 years later) or a case of an unresolved issue and the Government is milking it ? (like the Peck story)
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you for real?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Here I am,..........speaking about serious criminal behavior, deep trenched racism and ubiquitous corrupt activities by Argentinean officers since the 1950’s and you come with a stupid example of an innocuous “manteada”!
different issue is it?
Aug 05th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@69 I expect it is a real issue for the relatives.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The motives of the government are highly suspect otherwise they would not talk about setting up a base on the island etc. Why don't they offer to pay for independent experts if they are genuinely concerned for the relatives to have closure?
I am not sure the 30 years is such a long time. A couple of years ago the French were caling for the English to be charged with war crimes at the battle of Agincourt. That took place in 1415! 600 years ago! Get over it. The French lost because they were faffing about and missed their opportunity and advantage in battle.
@72 I expect it is a real issue for the relatives........True !!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As of for my “paisano” el Think, if you disagree with my statement it doesn't mean it's stupid. Remove the “K” propaganda for a second and have a objective debate. Your dislike for the Military is way too obvious and there is nothing I can do about that ....
PS: y no te hagas tanto el banana :-))
@72 Nah the French lost at Agincourt for two reasons; the first was they had never faced an English Longbow and metal tipped arrows in combat, and the second because they still fought wars due to class, ie. only an aristocrat should fight another aristocrat, only a peasant should fight another peasant.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The English Longbow was unleashed and killed everyone, aristocrat or peasant, and went straight through the aristocratic armour they were wearing.
The French weren't faffing about, they had a different set of rules for engagement, only used short range crossbows, and did not know that in England, by Law, every man in the country had to practice Longbow on a Sunday after Church, those were the differences.
The French charged the Longbow and died in their thousands, an old battle, lessons learned on both sides.
@ 74 The longbow was certainly a major factor but the English were outnumbered, exhausted, sick and with little money left to pay ransoms, fighting for their lives.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The battle was set with both armies in position and if the French had attacked immediately they could have used their usual format with the knights flanking both sides of the archers. However, on the 24th October they waited around to be joined by some of the aristocracy, keen to be part of the battle they felt sure to win. When they were finally ready to battle on the 25th, the English had moved to a second position, flanked on either side by woods, preventing the French from using their preferred attack. The actual battlefield was a quagmire severly hampering the attack.
The French had some natty new efficient armour that really only had one major weakness, a slit for the eyes to see. But the new armour was very heavy and that combined with the mud - in places two feet deep - slowed down the attack. When the knights were unhorsed they were stuck in the mud like upsidedown tortoises.
Ultimately the superior longbow was perfect for that battle. Did you know the origin of the two fingered salute was from longbowmen? Back then captured bowmen had their two fingers removed to make them ineffective. Before battle the longbowmen would taunt their opponents by waving their two fingers to show they were intact.
( 57) # Filippo
Aug 05th, 2011 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be careful when time to talk in spanish especially for s.american dialect.
if you know and want to talk using of -- sar -- word,then you must be
very attentive ,becouse it has many metaphoric meanings in Argentina.
was just one of the examples.
61 Think You are right, Typhoon/Filippo can get it right with the simple use(for us) of los/las, however this British has no problem using the more difficult rule of “Se acentúan todas palabras agudas que terminan en vocal, o en n o s solas” @41 “No me llames Inglés! Clearly using Google translate.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes,a British turnip.
73 Artillero601
What “K” propaganda??
You can talk with every single Argentinean that served over the years in the military conscription until was suspended in 1995, also know as ”colimbas”.
Regardless of political affiliation everyone will tell you about the brutality, starvation, humiliation and in some cases torture suffered at the hands of officers and second officers during their service. In Malvinas, since you read the Rattembach report 30 times, you will see that they send kids born in 1963 that just arrived for their service and with almost no training at all, on top of that some suffered the same treatment in the middle of the war that back in the mainland.
If you don't believe us please read this article by a Kelper, Lucy Beck.
http://www.ppu.org.uk/falklands/falklands3.html
@77
Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0brutality? starvation? humiliation? what the “F” are you talking about? Do you know that some of the soldiers that I trained still write to me?
In the last day of war, the soldiers of the GA3 among other things ,ate “ Mantecol” !!! starvation las pelotas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No need to read no article, I get the info from the people that fought in the conflict, directly ... !!
(73) Artillero601
Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
” Y no te hagas tanto el banana :-))”
I say:
Y si me hago el “Banana” que?
Me vás a “Bailar” ?
Me vás a “Chupar” ?
Me vás a “Trasladar” ?
My # (24) and #(26) comments are still valid.
Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is decending downwards is it not,
Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the argentina asked for this, was it from there goverment or private interests,
the UN should send experts to deal with this, and have falkland representative there,
the bodies then should be examind, then ,,
the problem arrises, should they be re-buried
or should they be sent back home, to thier loved ones,
or should they be buried at sea,,
after this has been agreed and exepted, then the living can get on with the real world, just a thought .
[]- 23 Marcos
Aug 05th, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0indeed,
what a coincidence,i think on like your style...
i think that ;
Marcos Alejandro = Martin_Fiero = Think =( + few Brits name ???? )
are all the same person .
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your Spanish is not bad ,i don't know where you learn it..
at secondary school...high school...?
No me llames Inglés!
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i make typos!, my spanish has never been perfect, i am growing up in quebec. My english is no good also because at school we would skip english class often. This was montreal where the flag was english one! I live near nelsons colum, known locally as trafalgar square after battle against french and spanish in caribbean.
[]- 83 Filippo
Aug 05th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I liked your Las Malvins definition..
unfortunately some posters have low level perception here..
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you live in Quebec !
you know that you have “” self determination “” right ...don't you !!
@79
Aug 05th, 2011 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hablemos en serio y no te hagas la victima :-))))
Peace !!!
Excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me
Aug 05th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What could I possibly “seriously discuss” with a individual that:
1) Denies recent Argentinean History.
2) Does not respect Democracy south of the Rio Grande
3) Cries constantly about convicted assassins, rapists and torturers going to jail.
82 geo “i think that ”
Aug 05th, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you! I take it as a compliment.
Can I have a drink of whatever you are drinking?
78 Artillero601
“In the last day of war, the soldiers of the GA3 among other things ,ate “ Mantecol”
That mantecol most likely was sent by civilians from the mainland, hidden by the officers. Was there a need to hold the mantecol and food for weeks and only given to the starving soldiers the very last day of the war like you said?
“No need to read no article”
You can't handle the truth.
You want to keep living in denial? SUIT YOURSELF!!
#56 Art - I was indeed trying to be 'cute', but there's some truth there to. As I said at #48, I do not believe in burying war dead in foreign fields. I believe that they all should be repatriated and buried amongst their own. Whoever they are, wherever they're from.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0#61 Think - and drama queens we call drama queens :-)
So! What's with the banana ? :-)
(88) Hoyt
Aug 06th, 2011 - 04:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you ”do not believe in burying war dead in foreign fields” and ”believe that they all should be repatriated and buried amongst their own”,.............. then get a spade and start digging.
2,500 British war cemeteries in some 150 countries are waiting for you……………
You could start at home, digging up the 7.000 tombs at Kanchanaburi.
They occupy prime development land on the ”Bridge on the River Kwai” area.
Everybody would surely love you for it!
Have a nice digging day.
Ps:
You'll have to DYOR to find out “what's with the banana”.....
88 Redhoyt “I was indeed trying to be 'cute', but there's some truth there to”
Aug 06th, 2011 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You end up up looking like a stupid bastard.
MoreCrap, try as I might, I'll never look as daft as you!
Aug 06th, 2011 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Quite right Think. Let's bring the lads home.
Whoever, wherever. Let them lie amongst friends, not enemies :-)
l believe we should leave ALL the dead in peace. What is really to be gained otherwise? Perhaps you could make an exception if the bodies are unknown(like in this case), to give the families closure.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think it is very wrong to disturb any grave, & this includes ancient ones.
We used to dig up Egyptian Mummies. How would we like it if the Egyptians dug up our graves in Westminster Abbey?
l know not everyone will agree with me but thats my thoughts on this subject.
If only to bring closure to the families, then the FIG should make an offer to facilitate the identification of those buried without names. However, the UN bodies with the experience of Bosnia etc should be the ones doing it. And the families should have the opportunity to have their loved ones buried where they prefer.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0But the Argentine Government should have nothing to do with it.
(92) Cher Isolde
Aug 06th, 2011 - 08:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Vous êtes une perle rare :-)
[] - 87
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0i only drink water,fruit juice,milk,tea.
no smoke,no drug,no coffee,no alcohol(sometimes)
if you want to try to live with me,probably you would
go to depression..!
sorry i don't believe/see that Mercopress forums have no any
Argentine posters.
if i ask you anything about Argentina,you would answer easily
by way of internet resources, you know somewhat spanish ..the rest ?
you may use your friends to reply if you own. !
i have a friend who speak fluent 6 languages but from one of the
old Soviet Union..
i have a friend from US who speak fluent 4 languages..at some our chats
i said to him they must repeal that useless -- Icky-- organization..
becouse everyone can easily excess the somelike--Echelon...Aivd....--
organizations easily..anyway !
unfortunately ..the degeneration is in everywhere !
if you have nothing to hide
Aug 06th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0then you have nothing to fear
have you ?
@88
Aug 06th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was right then ... after posting crap on this site, you start to know a person. In reference to the “banana” thing , is slang for “smart ass”, something that our mutual “Think” uses a lot and he is also a “panqueque”, slang for flip flop on issues specially when it comes to the Argentine Military, a subject that i'm very passionate about.
@87 Marquitos, for the love of God brother stop being a soap opera drama queen . I cited actual EVENTS told by REAL PEOPLE that FOUGHT in the conflict of ”82!!!!! where do you get your info ??? from Carlitos , el vecino de la esquina ????? :-))))) !!!!!!!!
@92
Isolde, darling, you should run for office, I don't care which one !!!! I have plans to visit the Islands with a couple of my classmates. I think that we deserve a cup of coffee together ? Now,after that and knowing you, I bet you , you will make us remove the mines ourselves !!! lol!!!
Art, I don't remember you ever posting 'crap' here :-)
Aug 06th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let us cut to the knuckle as it were and leave the sentiment aside.
In June there was a report of some veteran's association commencing legal proceedings in the UK claiming that British troops committed war crimes against Argentine troops in the days following the end of the 1982 conflict -
http://www.presstv.com/detail/184902.html
In July there are these reports in mercopress of a veteran's association wanting DNA analysis of the unknown Argentine warriors - “ ... with the purpose of returning to the unknown soldiers their identity, history and the circumstances in which these heroes gave their lives in defence of Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas…”.
Both now, with the 30th anniversary approaching. Both in an election year and with the last submission including a political element - ” ... gave their lives in defence of Argentine sovereignty over the Malvinas…”
And now eveyone has gone all mushy!
Sorry boys, it don't wash! Smacks of a political agenda. So don't get on your high horses and go all moral on me. This is the dead being used once again for political purposes. I know it, you know it.
It deserves to be kicked into the long grass and I hope that the FIG agree to assist but put conditions on that will seperate Argentina from the process. A truly independent investigation is fine. Letting Cristina and the rest of the idiots loose is not.
This smacks of a ploy .... we just need to make sure it rebounds.
And yes, the dead should be left to lie in peace, and my opinions are just mine own. The dead were lying in peace. It is not the islander's who are seeking to make capital out of them !
http://www.presstv.com/detail/184902.html
Red, please cite any Army that never violated the Geneva Convention or somebody's human rights during a conflict .... war is a very nasty business!
Aug 06th, 2011 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So let the dead where they are and pay amish to the fallen ...on both sides and I'm done with the subject. Peace !!!
Peace !
Aug 06th, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and when I say “crap” is a figure of speech ....
Aug 06th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 097 Artillero601 , You get you news from Jaime Bayly and Mega TV, no wonder you don't have a clue.
Aug 06th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope you didn't eat at the officers “casino” back home, I am sure that you know that the people cooking and serving the food were happy soldiers getting back to their officers for such a “wonderful treatment”they recieved every day in the field, what you like to know the recipe of your meals? Believe me it wasn't mantecol.
@102
Aug 06th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't make me laugh Marcos... nice “spin” on the story but in essence you have nothing , “youtube” is always your source of information :-))
And if some day the “soldado del casino de oficiales” me escupio la comida ....what can I say, I didn't do anything to deserve that
(97) Artillero601
Aug 06th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Isolde, darling, ………..I have plans to visit the Islands with a couple of my classmates. I think that we deserve a cup of coffee together ……
I say:
Healer across the North……
Killer across the South…….
Smooth Operator Coast to Coast…….
Anyhow……..
Do check her out and report back….
She sounds like a suitable Eulogia for this Renegáu ;-)
I am wondering why aren't teached anythings beside language
Aug 06th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in Cervantes Instıtute .
fido is doing his expert rounds,
Aug 06th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we will all get told off .
@104
Aug 06th, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jajajajajaja!!!!
You are welcome to come with us “Think” !!
@86
Aug 06th, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I just saw your post and allow me to reply:
What could I possibly “seriously discuss” with a individual that:
1) Denies recent Argentinean History.... you mean, the abuse of power by the modelo K, of course !!!
2) Does not respect Democracy south of the Rio Grande.. I do believe in Democracy, I don't trust argentine politicians in power, BIG difference
3) Cries constantly about convicted assassins, rapists and torturers going to jail ..... in Argentina you have UNILATERAL justice, you know it and I know it , stop the soap opera and start telling the truth.
This nice little story of yours are for foreigners that know nothing about Argentine politics, a papa mono con banana verde !! Try another Think , your arguments are almost moronic sometimes !!
#101 - Art - I know :-)
Aug 06th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@109
Aug 07th, 2011 - 01:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0The debate continues Red ! :-))
Ad nauseam !
Aug 07th, 2011 - 03:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0@86
Aug 07th, 2011 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0I just saw your post, allow me to reply:
1) Still in denial I see……..
2) You say you believe in democracy…….. but you don’t accept its rules or its outcome.
You are a typical Argentinean military man of the seventies …
You called yourself Christians whilst condoning or actively participating in the rape, torture and coldblooded murder of tens of thousands innocent civilians.
I would, without any hesitation, compare your fanatical depravation with the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia.
And………… speaking about Countries:
3) Argentina (under the Kirchner government) is the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD that has had the guts and courage to legislate against, prosecute and incarcerate each and every member of a former criminal dictatorship.
A bright example, timidly being followed by other South-American nations as being Brazil, Uruguay and Chile……….
With the monsters in jail, our society has recuperated its sense of dignity and justice.
To finish…….:
This nice little story of mine is not for foreigners only…., it is for anyone in the World with a minimum degree of ethics, principles and honor.
@94 Think & 97 Artillero1,
Aug 07th, 2011 - 06:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Merci messieurs, but you will make my partner jealous!
#(113)
Aug 07th, 2011 - 09:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Send your partner here, I 'll tell him who Ella Think,Artillero are .!
@113
Aug 07th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you will make my partner jealous!.... for sure it will intensify your relationship ! :-))
@112
Typical response from the “Montonero” propaganda...
103 Artillero601
Aug 07th, 2011 - 03:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0YouTube my source of information?
Not exactly, ask the Kelpers, they were there you were back home sleeping.
“Some of the Falkland Islanders themselves were compassionate towards the young Argentinian conscripts:
Mr Goodwin said “Many of them were young boys. They were badly fed and badly treated by their officers. A food wagon would come around once or twice a day and all they got was soup.
“I remember two young soldiers who would bang on the gate of the garden waving about a container. They were asking for food and drink. I could understand them because I speak a bit of Spanish.”
His wife still vividly recalls watching the young conscripts being beaten by senior officers. Many, she says, were made to wash their clothes in the chilly waters of Stanley Harbour and some were pushed in as punishment.
“I could see some of them crying and shivering with the cold. Sometimes I would give them food, because I was thinking that if my son was in the same position, I hope someone would do the same for him.”
http://www.ppu.org.uk/falklands/falklands3.html
You said in the past:
”cuando volvieron los soldados de Malvinas al Palomar, nos gritaban (los cadetes salian de franco) “ A esos hijos de puta hay que matarlos de chiquitos !!!”
Who do you want to kill from a younger age?
(116)
Aug 07th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Sometimes I would give them food, because I was thinking that if my son was in the same position, I hope someone would do the same for him.”
Typical response from the “Kelper Montonerou” propaganda..............
Our Artillero Apátrida y Mercenario surely will say............
@117
Aug 07th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apatrida y Mercenario ? a la mierda !! this is getting personal ! and you are right, I refuse to see my country in the hands of ex montoneros, zurdos de mierda , where the self enrichment, abuse of power, lack of education, dependence on social programs = meaning don't work and join the “piquete” kind of society .... if you call that “apatrida” y el mercenario, SI LO SOY.
Think, you don't have the balls nor the honor to defend the country you claim is yours against this bullshit. Peace out!
Artillero 601
Aug 07th, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It may come as a surprise to you but it has always being ”personal” for me
I call you ”Apátrida” because you are ready to take arms against the wast mayority of your Argentinean compatriots to serve the interests of a very small and recalcitrant minority.
I call you ”Mercenario” because you were ready, paid by the USA, to fight and kill Panamanian troops and civilians defending their Country against a North-American invasion.
By the way, Panamanian troops trained by your hero and my Chubutean acquaintance, Mr. Seineldin…….
Othervise you are surely a nice person…….
[]- 114
Aug 07th, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He(she) is a secret service employee...his job is the internet hunter..
He(she is on guard in 24 th hours here by many comments names..
He(she) is not successful to put out a feeler,notably on Montoneros...
He(she) use Brits names to put out feeler,notably on Falklands....
Internet is full of like these persons !
We are accustomed to persons like him(her) !
@119
Aug 07th, 2011 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Othervise you are surely a nice person……. Finally a compliment !!
If a follow your criteria, was Gral San Martin a mercenary? ( and by no means I compare myself with “El Padre de la Patria”, before a moron starts attacking )
anthropologists to identify Argentine soldiers buried at Darwin
Aug 07th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0guess this just fell by the wayside,
mmmmjust as well then .
(121)
Aug 07th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Following San Martin’s own criteria,..............................
He would despise the Argentinean apátridas of today as much as he despised the apátridas of his time.
What can Argentina gain
Aug 07th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In this case it is President Cristina Kirchner whose populist administration has lost the support of most of the country and “has seized on the episode to stoke the curious jingoism that the Islands inspire in her country”.
The Washington Post suggests that Mrs. Kirchner set aside its senseless nationalism
The full text follows:
You know that an Argentine leader must be in political trouble if the subject of the Falkland Islands has come up again. In this case the beleaguered president is Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, whose populist administration in Buenos Aires has lost the support of most of the country. Hosting Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton in Buenos Aires on Monday, Ms. Fernández de Kirchner requested that the United States mediate Argentina's dispute with Britain over the islands, which lie about 400 miles off Argentina's southern coast but have been governed from London since 1833....
the Argentine must understand the falklands are british,
this blog need livening up
@123
Aug 07th, 2011 - 09:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apatrida no, the Mercenary concept of yours .....
Does Argentina have any rightful claim to the Falkland Islands?
Aug 07th, 2011 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0• Tony
over a year ago
•
Tony
Last night there was this cheeky mare as a guest on Radio 5 and she was some sort of bigshot in Falklands, (can't recall what exactly, but oddly she had a Spanish forename) going on about it not being British oil but Falkland Island oil, and that revenues should only be for the Falklands.
Mathew Parris was also on saying how the Falklands was Crown property and that they should of course benefit from the oil, but could not lay claims to all the oil revenues, much in the same way that the Shetlands can't.
She replied, they are nothing like the Shetlands, they govern themselves and decide eveything except defence and foreign affairs, and thus the oil was theirs.
To which Mathew Parris countered, well the defence of the falklands has cost many millions over the years, not to mention the cost to Britain of the Falklands war, both materially and in the lives of our servicemen.
She said, as long ago as 1994 we offered to reimburse the British government for the war from oil revenues, should any be discovered.
I thought, you ungrateful, greedy bitch, if that is representative of the Falkland Islanders then Argies are welcome to the place!
over a year ago
•
Iain
Yes, and if it was handed back over to the Argies, you'd be able to hear her screams back in Westminster complaining how the Brits have abandoned a part of their Sovereignty
over a year ago
WHAT a few others think.
Artillero
Aug 08th, 2011 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0You wrote in the past: ”cuando volvieron los soldados de Malvinas al Palomar, nos gritaban (los cadetes salian de franco) “ A esos hijos de puta hay que matarlos de chiquitos !!!”
Translation (the best I could)
”When the soldiers returned from Malvinas back to the Palomar(base), they shouted at us “the cadets were on vacation”(you?)
Those son of a b.... should be killed from a younger age!!!”
Common Artillero explain(may be I got it wrong), I thought that you treated your soldiers well and they still write to you.
I don't get the information from Carlitos the neighbor from around the corner like you said, I just read some of your old comments.
#(120)
Aug 08th, 2011 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0not at all !, (my determined that he uses 9 names here.)
some of his messages true but he doesn't know the Big Picture.
@127
Aug 08th, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marquitos, you are mixing statements, one has nothing to do with the other one. Pull another youtube video and explain ! :-)))))))))))))))
[]- 128
Aug 08th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he has more than 9 names...not batman..is spider man !
22.16 pm reporting in geo........
Aug 08th, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im of for a cuppa, back later
[] - 131
Aug 08th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0El Think = briton
el georeg or is it geo +1
Aug 08th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@132 & @ 133
Aug 08th, 2011 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you guys at the same bar? ;-)))))
were not even on the same planet lol.
Aug 08th, 2011 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahaha !!!
Aug 09th, 2011 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0is this true, comment #203
Aug 09th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/03/31/argentina-promotes-world-wide-malvinas-discussion-under-the-logo-of-it-takes-two-to-tango
if link doesn't work you can easily find from archive !
where is comment 203 geo,
Aug 09th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we are only at 137,
can you see into the future,
if you can
please can you tell me the lottery numbers for next week .
[] - 138
Aug 10th, 2011 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just open my (#) 137 link ...see it's comment #203 !
@139Geo, the link that you mentioned is no longer available
Aug 10th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@138 hahahaha!!!
I wouldent belive all you see on this blogg
Aug 10th, 2011 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok Geo, Ed and Yul…………………
You win ……………………................................I confess.
Some of my best Anglo personifications are:
Mr. Justin Kuntz
Lady Isolde
Mr. GeoffWard
Be serious Mr.Think
Some of my best Argie personifications are:
Sr. Tim
Sr. Bill Hayes
Sr. Artillero601
Sr. Martin_Fierro
Sr. Wireless
Some of my best Turnip personifications are
StickupyourJunta
Briton
Frank “the Yank”
Zethee
Think2
And so many more………………………;~)))
dab14763
Think3
Gotey
Expat
Domingo NicoDin
mind you, Thinking about it,
who is clever, he who writes it, or he who follows it .mmm
What's it all about, geo? Who knows who is who?
Aug 10th, 2011 - 10:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0he does not know
Aug 11th, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0we do not know
they do not know
nobody knows.
a new blog perhaps lol.
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