US President Obama administration said Thursday it would postpone the deportation of illegal immigrants without criminal records and allow them to apply for work permits as it reviews over 300.000 cases. Read full article
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He failed to pass the DREAM act so Obama just institutes it by Presidential decree. This is characteristic of banana republics like Argentina. What does this say about the future of America?Aug 19th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
 - 1Aug 19th, 2011 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
be patient..Barry will sign the sanction decree on BP ...!!
Wesley idiot, America as a whole will be fine, it's just the United States is becoming the land of chaos.Aug 19th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Doo doo Fido, I prefer the Land of Freedom rather than chaos. Dark skinned Dictators make me nervousAug 19th, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
 - 4Aug 19th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
you prefer pale sausage skins like Brits ??
We might all like to deport populations that 'we don't like'.Aug 19th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
there are a few thousand 'anti-socials' that I wish were not burning and looting bits of England's cities.
There are 'refugees' who are really 'economic migrants' who are really exploiters of the 'free meal' and lifestyle unavailable back home.
But Transportation is not available these days, return whence they came transgresses new-human-rights, and governments have a higher order of social responsibility placed on them than the feral bottom feeders of our societies.
Liberal democracy . . . . . we have hog-tied our options, and we live with the consequences.
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How do you know the looters aren't British, Geoff?Aug 19th, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
whoa, great news, this man is building a new USA. I thought he was stupid, but he is intelligent.Aug 20th, 2011 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
@ 4 he likes sausage, that's the matter with him :)
I'm still waiting, Geoff...Aug 20th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
(10) Forgetit86Aug 21st, 2011 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
You will have to wait for him ..................................................................................
He could soon become a very busy man..................................................................
Geoff Ward says:
”Liberal democracy . . . . . we have hog-tied our options, and we live with the consequences.”
Think thinks that:
A Jacobin democracy with a sea-green incorruptible like Geoff, acting as a modern Robespierre, could swiftly deal with those consequences.
@7 geo,Aug 21st, 2011 - 10:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Very witty, geo. Made me laugh. Would be even funnier if it wasn't so seriously true!
A few further thoughts from the 'incorruptible environmentalist' (#11), for our friends, and particularly for Forgetit (@ #10), who is salivating with anticipation:Aug 21st, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
After the event, the rioters that survived the police 'riot-control-with-extreme-prejudice' (Public Order Act 1986, or a reinstated Riot Act) might be 'brought back to some society':
We could do what the 18/19th century colonialist did and use the rioters for peopling the colonies, etc (Transportation);
we could return foreign rioters for 'punishment' (deportation, return) - like we might return a foreign murderer from, say Brasil, to his home country, say Italy;
we could use the UK rioters by 'pressing' them into the armed forces - with or without the King's Shilling;
we could re-locate the rioters (UK and foreign) to offshore prison islands off Scotland such as Gruniard (á la Papillon), thus removing them from their inner-city gang-networks;
we could allocate each rioter to community groups where they can work to make good that which they have destroyed, until the community is satisfied;
prison should be a regular sanction for (surviving) rioters, and those caught for acts within the riot - arsonists, looters, and those indulging in manslaughter/murder.
This is a cross-section of people's responses published within the British media - with a little bit of colourful embelishment by myself.
All punishments should be applied within the law ('In the best possible taste' K. Everitt), to avoid those applying the punishments from suffering the classic Robespierre reaction.
Yeahhhhhh............Aug 21st, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Send them to the Falklands.................
OK, so they're not all foreigners, as you acknowledge. For a moment I thought you didn't believe they were British, either because many were dark-skinned or because you didn't believe a Britishman could have caused the havoc we saw.Aug 21st, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Conservative British Prime Minister David Cameron was all bluster today as he launched into a bitter tirade against his country’s protesters and vowed “we will restore a sense of morality.” And in a particularly shrill moment, Cameron opined: “This is not about poverty. It is about criminality.” Half wrong; half right. It is about poverty – and more broadly the grotesque and growing gulf of inequality separating the rich from the rest. But it also about criminality – not just the criminality of the masses – the poor, the working class and the middle class – whose own experience of extreme deprivation had spawned in them a revulsion and a depravity that can sometimes boil over into random violence. More importantly, however, it is about the criminality of the socioeconomic elite – the top one percent – the billionaires and mega-millionaires – the banksters and the corporate CEOs – and their puppet political prostitutes who have aided and abetted them – over the past 30 years – in pulling off the greatest global swindle in the 500-year history of corporate capitalism.
Interesting, Fido, and I'm in agreement. To frame the issue as a problem of morality alone is but an excuse not to do anything real about its causes - anything except to expand police and state power. This is overstretching, though. Supposing unemployment and poverty were at the root of the riots, overstretching police force alone is not going to work to enforce long-term stability.Aug 21st, 2011 - 05:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
Thinking further about the Riots in England, I am coming to the belief thatAug 21st, 2011 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
(i) the police forces were *enabling* the situation,
(ii) the media were exacerbating the situation, and
(iii) the rioters were doing what rioters do.
I feel that 'the police ' were so disgusted that the G20 copper that was up on a manslaughter charge for doing his duty, that they decided, consciously or unconsciously, to withdraw their labour.
They went on a policing strike.
They 'watched while Rome burned'.
They were there but as observers; not as a police force, and they were passing a very public message to the politicians.
The message was 'If you want us to defend society and protect people from criminality, give us protection from being cast as criminals ourselves whilst in persuance of our duty'.
The media 'did their duty' - showing the same footage hundreds of times over - attempting to fix in the public's mind the images of police helplessness, the 'great fire-riot of London', the carefully manipulated ethnic dimension, and the belief that the causation was rooted in the 'uncaring state'.
Consequently, a large section of the public transfered the causation from the rioters to the bankers - something that will do little to arrest anarchy on the streets.
In fact, by feeding the belief that the rioters were not responsible for their actions but were the pawns of the policies of the 'fat cats' actually makes matters worse.
Such is the power of the left-leaning British media.
Politically, the Government now have the public conditioned to accept high levels of police intervention. This could be considered as pre-planning for controlling the types of anarchy on the street that might occur if the Dollar/Euro collapses in a chaos of defaults.
Perhaps the 'battles of tomorrow' will not be fought against external enemies, but between the peoples and the structures of our internal societies.
Like David Cameron, Geoff prefers not to seek naturalistic explanations for these events. Perhaps because such explanations reduce the persuasiveness of those that ordinary minds have resorted to - often moralistic explanations about the decadence of mores and such other catchphrases the small-minded petty bourgeoisie comes up with. It's good to see that it is not only on Brazil affairs that your reasoning is so narrow, Geoff.Aug 21st, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
But get this: people don't have free will. Instead we have a fixed nature. We act as we do because our nature, our will, reacts to both internal needs and external stimuli. Those persons, the looters and rioters, may be all the things Cameron has called them - he may be right that they were mostly people of criminal backgrounds and who have never cared much about their country's laws and the greater society's wellfare. Nonetheless, it must be recognized that such an open upheaval against authorities was something new. And a new behavior pattern means a new stimuli acted on those persons, something new, or stronger, encouraged them to act as they did - to riot, to loot, to steal from harmless small-businesses and so forth. Don't think that an explanation such as yours - that rioters did what rioters do, that people simply decided to act immorally and that any other explanation is wrong, a distortion from the left-wing media - don't think this is intellectually revelant. It is superficial polemics to say the least.
@18 GeoffWard,Aug 22nd, 2011 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
Very interesting, Geoff. Conditioning for a future police state like the novel, 1984?
Thank you for calling the islands by their correct & rightful name.
Now that's a start, what's your next positive step, Cher Think?
US President Obama administration said Thursday it would postpone the deportation of illegal immigrants without criminal records and allow them to apply for work permits as it reviews over 300.000 cases...... do I smell like a political move to capture latino votes ?? Naahh, I'm probably wrong !!!! ;-)))Aug 22nd, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
BTW, In Texas , legislature is pushing a law where the nannies and gardeners can stay BUT the rest should be deported !! LMAO
Would have thought Obama needed to retain his white skinned Anglo Saxon votes rather than the guaranteed votes from Dark Skinned Latin Americans. Having said that providing he has jobs for those 300,000 dark skinned Latin Americans, can't see many complaining.Aug 24th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0