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England and Argentina – More than just a game?

Friday, September 2nd 2011 - 03:26 UTC
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As New Zealand prepares to host the 2011 Rugby World Cup, we look at a game which will cause much interest in Latin America and the South Atlantic. Read full article

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  • Fred

    I'll support Argentina since Brazil sucks on Rugby and doesn't even is capable to compete. lol

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 03:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    ENGLAND!!!!!!!!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 09:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Seems to me like Mercopress looking to make story? Naturally folks here will want England to win and folks in Arg will want their team to win - but it is actually SPORT! Lets all ignore media attempts to make it anything to do with politics.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @3 I was thinking pretty much the same. I am a keen rugby fan and I don't know any supporters that are interested in taking it beyond the game.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Destiny

    “It is unfortunate that to some, on the mainland and the Islands, the game will be a analogous to the 1982 conflict”

    Sht stirring.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Go All Blacks !!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 01:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    5
    Yeah but don't be a hypocrite because you like to get your spoon out every now and then ..... don't you?
    Granted you then claim ignorance but this is Rugby Union - another game invented by the British and given to the World.
    What has Argentina ever given to the World.
    Oh yeah crappy meat, facism and free one way helicopter rides.
    C'mon England, England, England!!!!
    Fantastic competition for the true
    family of Rugby Union Nations
    So good luck to Wales, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Fiji, Ireland, Samoa, South Africa, Japan, Georgia, Italy, France, USA, Russia, Namibia, Tonga and Romania.
    Lets make it a truly great Championship.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    7 Be serious

    What Argentina has ever given to the world.
    Ah, yes, meat waste, fascism and free rides in a helicopter.

    The list is missing Argentina ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡
    Pitiful and pathetic commentary, disservice makes his own countrymen.
    Always comparing everything with Argentina, Argentina You trauma.
    After complaining that you criticize him for his hatred and resentment towards Argentina.
    You seriously have nothing

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @7

    Wait a minute! crappy meat???????? My mom's dog eats better meat than I do here in Texas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    @1 Fred

    Brazil didn't do that badly, they won the first round of their part of the qualification tournament (beating Paraguay, Venezuela, Columbia and Peru) and the play-off to get into the next round (beating the Carribean Cup winners - Trinidad and Tobago, something that the US has failed to do in the past), before losing to Uruguay and Chile.

    All in all, bearing in mind that rugby is such a minority sport in Brazil (there are only 10k registered players, compared with 91k in Argentina, and about 2.6 million in the UK), coming as close to qualifying as you did is creditable in itself.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Who told you to move there . Sorry I have to go now, lunch time...bife the chorizo y pure today :-))

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Toni

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    and the Texan meat is excellent !

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    Is it true that the last ime Argentina beat England in a game, it was a game where use of the hands is prohibited and Argentina used a hand?

    Now we have a meeting in a game where use of the hands is part of the game. Tip for England players. Use the same principles Argentines used. On this occasion, kick Argentine heads the length of the pitch.

    Trust me on this. Every single English person will support you. It's even possible that Irish, Scots and Welsh will do so as well.

    The important thing is to smash Argentine faces into the mud at every opportunity. Emphasizing that they need to grow up, recognise reality, recognise that they have no claim to the Falklands and no wish for their presence except by certain deluded psychiatric individuals.

    Anyone think Argentina is a waste of space and wouldn't be missed if it was totally destroyed?

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    “The important thing is to smash Argentine faces into the mud.....” why don't go fuck yourself you ignorant prick !!!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fido Dido

    and the Texan meat is excellent!

    Come on Art, I know it sounds cool to be so called Texas patriotic, but they import more meat for domestic consumers and export more of their meat. The only so called Texan meat I know and taste fantastic is at Texas do Brazil restaurant.

    Who cares about rugby. A world game..lol..what a joke.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Don't cry Raul, neither England nor Argentina were listed because both teams were referenced earlier, check it out. You are a sensitive soul aren't you.
    BTW I have never criticised anybody for hating Argentina or Argentinians.
    Have you been drinking? Bit early if you don't mind me saying.
    Not long to wait now.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @16

    You are right ! but it sounds good, doesn't it ? YeeHaaaw !!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Forgot to mention Football was also invented by England before it was taken over by the girlies. Cricket, Polo and Golf all given to the World by the UK. Please form an orderly queue, don't rush to thank us all at once.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Destiny

    5 -“ What has Argentina ever given to the World.
    Oh yeah crappy meat, facism and free one way helicopter rides”

    pot. kettle.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 05:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    20
    knife. fork
    salt. pepper
    pinky.perky

    You know I think that's another one of ours.
    You foreigners have no imagination.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Destiny

    where am i from

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Now that depends on me guessing and you telling the truth.
    Boring game though probably invented by a foreigner.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    well well well or bad bad bad, I thought that Rugby was a sport, not politics, sad, really :(

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    TWIMC

    Football rugby etc… team sports for turnips…..

    Here's a real gentlemans sport………..
    Watch him completing his sextuple peel - just peeled 4-back and gained a rush to 2-back on the escape ball!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21sv1OFivTI&feature=related

    And about Polo……………..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21sv1OFivTI&feature=related

    Rest my case………………………………….

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 06:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    these are all ethos propaganda tools !

    NBA , Baseball from USA...Cricket,Rugby,..,..,.., from UK !!

    all have chicane + money laundering addictions !
    everything must be amateur !

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    And about Polo…………….. Are the Brits still buying our polo horses? Part of my family is from Coronel Suarez and it was a big business back then

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “team sports for turnips”

    Given that Football is the most popular sport in the world. The general consensus would be that you are the turnip.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    25 Rest my case.
    Hmm...................... good idea.

    27 We sell em onto Belgium.....They love em with chips.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 06:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @29

    Very expensive meat you are buying ! :-))

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] - 27 Artio

    don't forget the Brits' addictions & obsessions of horse racing...islands..!!

    -----------------

    [] - 28 zet

    the football is not Brits invention basicly..
    it's origin from few Pasific Islands !!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @27 Best Polo horses in the world come from Argentina and the Polo World Championship is held in Buenos Aires. I attended a couple of years ago and it is well worth the ticket price if you have an opportunity to go. (Though, like Smiths Lawn, a lot of people are more interested in drinking champagne than watching the polo).

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    J.A ROBERTS

    try to use just your name !!

    i don't know your sportive ability
    BUT
    your forum player ability is terrible here !!

    -------------------

    if you imply Julia Roberts by using this name
    no
    i know her some features but she is not my favorite face !!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    32 Am I right in thinking that the British first introduced Polo to Argentina?
    Champagne sounds good but don't tell Raul. He's a martyr to it.

    30 Only the best for our Belgian EU neighbours.

    31 Care to elaborate?

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @32

    E,

    like Smiths Lawn = Keeping up with the Joneses??

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Its just a game,
    A big game, but a game it is, and may the best team win,

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] 34 ,35 ,36

    pitifull & problematic boy

    he speaks himself in 24 hours here !! (since 03.51 GMT ....)

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Geo, are you ok? :-))

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ed

    (#) 33 - 37 - amigo, you seem somewhat nervous ,you and I know
    j.a.roberts in time about 1-2 years here,if he use many names
    we must track his messages.I see that some are true ,if he refers
    Julia Roberts name who maybe interested in South American
    affairs,why not ! as known that many Hollywood actors highly
    engaged in with secret services acts.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo2

    [] - 38 Artio ..... everything is ok !

    --------------------------------------------------

    [] - 39 Ed

    maybe she( Julia Roberts) uses his orginal name as J.A.ROBERTS ??

    why not !!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @40 Good!!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @34 I would imagine so. I did visit some stud farms in the Salta area. Apparently a well-bred polo pony will start at aroud $30,000 to buy. Without getting my notes out I believe the Argentines cross-bred thoroughbreds with small, sturdy South American horses making them ideal for polo.

    @35. LOL! No but that is an excellent joke. Smiths Lawn is in Windsor Great Park and home of English polo.

    It is like most of the 'Season' events. All about being seen rather than watching the sport. I used to watch a friend row at Henley and loved the event but most people never looked at the river. Too busy with the Pimms. I manage to combine the drinking with watching the sport but seem to be in the minority.

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Kiwisarg

    COME CONTEMPONI AND GO PUMASSS !!!! ARGENTINA WIN!!!!!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Tango dancing championships, now there is a tournament that Argentina can win ;-)

    Good luck and the best of British to all players in the RWC regardless of where you are from. It is an honor to represent ones country in such a tournament.

    The best thing about rugby is the old boys networks that weave their way into it meaning no matter where you go there is some loyal friend who you can call on!

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    an italian, and you wish argentina to win,
    well from your point of view, i hope they do win,

    but allow me to hope that England wins,
    either way, a good game will be had,
    england is on to a runner,
    the England football team won tonight 3-0
    keep up the good work lads .

    Sep 02nd, 2011 - 11:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    what has Argentina given the World?
    Well lets see The most beautiful women,the most beautiful football,the greatest racing driver,the most sensual dance, the tastiest meat,the most beautiful, places,the greatest city, well id say thats not bad for a start.
    As for England what have they given us well lets see the ugliest women, the most ugly football,dance well what can you say,meat what meat,as for places well where are there not riots,
    well lets be honest theres no comparison maybe the English should win this year in Rugby its actually a sport where they dont always fail.

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 46 they have, among many other things, given us this super song!!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HjL-z3oji4&feature=related

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • icecold

    46 - O’ Gara eh? Irish descendant per chance?

    The most beautiful women.... Italian immigrants!
    The most beautiful football... Maradonna (Cheatin’ “hand of God” bastard!)
    The greatest racing driver... ah, Juan Manuel – Agreed!
    The most sensual dance... The tango is passionate but not sensual; the rumba is the most sensual dance (Cuban, I think)
    The tastiest meat... Actually I think the Falkland Islands have it on that one. Your cows are pretty good but...
    The most beautiful places... right, so we’re ignoring the seven wonders of the world, the Grand Canyon, the Taj Mahal, Machu Picchu, the Serengeti, Petra...ad infinitum. (by the way, Iguazu belongs to Brazil).
    The greatest city... BA. I think it was The Spinners who first released the song “Dirty Ol’ Town”. Need I say any more?

    One out of seven isn’t bad...but JMF was the greatest racing driver because he was a gentleman foremost. Must have been a bit of British immigrant in him somewhere!

    Los Pumas – Too Old, guess they’ve already booked their return tickets for 2nd Oct!

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 04:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    O Gara, lest you forget. William Shakespeare, the Magna Carta, The Beatles.... I can carry on if you wish!

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    lts worth watching, but its still just sport. Lets keep politics out of this.
    Good luck to ALL teams.

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 08:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ed

    (#) Geo ,
    I read J.A.ROBERTS's all comments again in Mercopress archives.
    His(her) all messages about JULIA ROBERTS are true but incomplete
    and says no everything.
    e.g : you know - Jorge - comment name ? guess it why hasn't written
    since last year ? the answer is very simple that ...
    JULIA ROBERTS is not original name of her,
    - Jorge- was the husband of her who married with her in Argentina,
    takes her to US (Hollywood) ...afterhat they divorced there.From this
    forum's comments (#) 46,47,48 here we learn she has Italian-Irish origin.
    -Jorge- used this method many times to take pretty girls to Hollywood ,
    also he has all spanish language passports countries.
    again J.A.ROBERTS's messages,we learn that Jorge now lives in Spain!

    I propose to you ,read carefully his(her) all last two years comments from Mercopress archive in this weekend while drink tea .

    You may ask why are they worthy to tell which covered in two years ?

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “As for England what have they given us well lets see the ugliest women, the most ugly football”

    Football full stop. The English gave you football.

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Fred

    @ 10 Rufus

    Yeap, I know it doesn't really completely sucks. There's even a national league already but it's still a very new sport in Brazil.

    I hope someday BRT (Brazilian Rugby Team) be like the football and volleyball national teams or Brazilian rugby players be so competitive as Brazilian MMA fighters but there's a long way to go and until there I'll support “los pumas”.Best south american team maybe?

    Or if Argentina be disqualified some other southern hemisphere team such as Australia...

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    as long as they have a good game, and may the best team win .

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    54
    As long as its ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!
    No seriously I'll be happy if we give Argentina one almighty thumping.
    If any one of the Home Countries win - great
    Failing that Australia or New Zealand would be fine
    Swing low, sweet chariot, coming for to carry me home.........
    Can't wait to get at em.

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] - 51 Ed

    i just scanned his more than 100 comments ......
    some of them ciphered...!!
    not just about Julia Roberts, used many comment names here....
    apparently two persons write all these comments, which could be
    ciphered messagings here,but there is another third person who
    writes comments occasionally to touch with them......
    as we see that they attach beads on these forums,it is easy to decode their messagings...and shake them all !!

    (*) [attach bead ]is a phrase which used largely in the secret services !

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 07:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    [] - 51 Ed
    56 geo
    i feel very sorry for you two,
    you seem to think their are secret agents on here, [why]
    i think you need help,
    you two keep imagining things, like [M.I.B.]
    i just cant see your secret agent angle,
    but then again as im not an agent, i dont know what im looking for,
    keep safe friends, and keep out of the shadows .

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] - 57 brit

    my grouchy mate !
    i don't refer your name,you are fresh here,
    if you open & read his old comments then you'll agree with us .
    unfortunately true ! comments' timings are from west USA !
    be more carefull & choosy please !!

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    im not grouchy, im just a bit lost,
    not fresh, ive been here 3 years, +,
    but you say things but do not explain, so that i can understand,
    i am carefull and choosy, or try to be be,
    but are you sying or thinking that J.A.Roberts is an agent,
    he may be a person that inpersonates a few others, [i.e.]
    has more that one [on line name] their are a few , that use different names, as long as it is not used to abuse people, then it should be ok,
    but perhaps you are right, you seem to know what you are doing,
    good luck, i will catch you on the next blogg, ,

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    “we look at a game which will cause much interest in Latin America and the South Atlantic”

    Don't think too much about yourselves. Aside from the FI, the continent can't even pronouce that 'Rugby' - or care about it.

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Past Tournaments - Division AYear Winner Runner-up Third Place Fourth Place Fifth Place
    1951 Argentina Uruguay Chile Brazil
    1958 Argentina Chile Uruguay Peru
    1961 Argentina Chile Uruguay Brazil
    1964 Argentina Brazil Uruguay Chile
    1967 Argentina Chile Uruguay
    1969 Argentina Chile Uruguay
    1971 Argentina Chile Uruguay Brazil Paraguay
    1973 Argentina Uruguay Chile Brazil Paraguay
    1975 Argentina Chile Uruguay Brazil Paraguay
    1977 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay Brazil
    1979 Argentina Uruguay Chile Brazil Paraguay
    1981 Uruguay Chile Paraguay Brazil
    1983 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    1985 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    1987 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    1989 Argentina Chile Uruguay Brazil Paraguay
    1991 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay Brazil
    1993 Argentina Uruguay Paraguay Chile Brazil
    1995 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    1997 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    1998 Argentina Chile Uruguay Paraguay
    2000 Argentina Uruguay Chile
    2001 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    2002 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    2003 Argentina Uruguay Chile Paraguay
    2004 Argentina Uruguay Chile Venezuela
    2005 Argentina Uruguay Chile
    2006 Argentina Uruguay Chile
    2007 Argentina Uruguay Chile
    2008 Argentina Uruguay Chile
    2009 Argentina Uruguay Chile Brazil Paraguay
    2010 Argentina Uruguay Chile Brazil Paraguay
    2011 Argentina Chile Uruguay Brazil Paraguay

    for a land that you claim has no interest ,,they dont do to bad,
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_American_Rugby_Championship
    ,,

    Sep 03rd, 2011 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Chuckle chuckle™

    ”In June 2010, the Samoan-born 20-year-old Manu Tuilagi was discovered to have outstayed his six-month holiday visa by six years, prompting the Home Office to begin deportation proceedings against him.”

    Law obiding British people……………..:
    Deport this 6ft 1 and 16st 7lb tricky, shrewd and sly black wrongdoer immediately !!! (Preferably to Argentina)
    http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/82666,sport,other-sport,samoan-centre-manu-tuilagi-prepares-to-take-his-england-rugby-bow

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    So there's been a South American championship for six decades alread - yet the majority of the people don't even know what it looks like.

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] - 59 brit

    not same thing !
    i never said J.A.ROBERTS is an agent & real name here
    i say that there is a person (who ?) who has been using few comment
    names,one of them is J.A.ROBERTS., which tells us JuliA ROBERTS !
    how ?
    i had known some secret informations about her before ,
    J.A.ROBERTS comments have told us similair(same) & more detailes.
    .....thanks to him !

    Hollywood is not just movie machine,also one of the secret service
    base machines...and very problematic & dangerous place !!

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    62
    What's being black got to do with anything?
    Is he black?
    You Argentinians look darker.
    Anyway no racism in Rugby Union thank you very much.
    RU Looking forward to the tournament?
    RU confident or a little worried perhaps?

    Swing low, sweet chariot..............................

    Its gonna be great,
    I canna wait.

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 12:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Law abiding British citizens……………..:

    Deport those illegal aliens and dangerously strong, fast and black Tuilagi Brothers to Argentina now!
    We have some very nice “Withe and Blue” jerseys waiting for them……..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdomvwNjwp8&feature=related

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    Think is one of those anglo-Argentine traitors so typical of british colonialism!!!

    I imagine him to have a ranch, tennis court and some polo ponies. He spend his days reading financial papers and adjusting his investments.

    He is a member of the transnational financial class and has no place in Argentina.

    GO HOME THINK! YOU ARE A TRAITOR! YOU ARE AN IMPOSER! YOU ARE A COLONIAL MISSIONARY OF BRITISH IMPERIALISM!

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    66
    “Withe and Blue” ?
    Obviously a keen supporter of Argentine Rugby Union.

    Swing low, sweet chariot..................................
    You sound really worried. And so you should..........

    Dundedin, Saturday, 10th September 2011.
    Watch and learn.

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    Chuckle chuckle™

    A little “oddity” about ENGLAND’s NATIONAL rugby union team………………:

    Dylan Hartley, born in New Zealand. Alex Corbisiero, born in USA. Matt Stevens, born in South Africa. Simon Shaw, born in Kenya. Joe Simpson, born in Australia. Shontayne Hape, born in New Zealand. Manu Tuilagi, born in Samoa. Matt Banahan, born in Jersey. Delon Armitage, born in Trinidad.

    By comparison, ARGENTINA’s NATIONAL rugby union team is 100% born and raised in ARGENTINA…..

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    “Argentina's national rugby union team is 100% born and raised in Argentina”

    And yet not one real Argentinian among them. Do we object do we sneer? Of course not, Rugby Union is too big for all that race/colour nonsense and so should you.

    So tune in on Saturday and prepare to be thrashed.

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    ENGLAND’s INTERNATIONAL rugby union team………………:-)

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    who cares, as long as England win,
    ??

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Exactly right Briton.
    These foreign facists can sneer all they like.
    On Saturday they will receive what they richly deserve.

    Swing low, Sweet chariot.

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    ha ha .

    Sep 04th, 2011 - 07:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Wireless

    @6 Artillero601

    'Go All Blacks !!'

    Interesting comment, England's change kit is black for this tournament, and as Argentina entertain England in that game as hosts, England will be 'All in Black'.

    You may want to revise your cheer during the actual game, which kicks off 5.30am ART or 9.30am BST, just a suggestion.

    May the best team win.

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @67Flippers,
    l think you're right about him being rich, Flippers old salt.

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 05:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    “By comparison, ARGENTINA’s NATIONAL rugby union team is 100% born and raised in ARGENTINA…..”

    Yup, and every single one of them with immigrant surnames, not a native Argentine amongst them, not a single Mapuche, Tehuelche, Selk'nam, Ona, Teba etc name:

    All I can see is English (possibly Irish), German, Italian and Spanish names...

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 11:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @75 :-)))

    I was referring to these guys !!

    http://youtu.be/cle20lQg0Qs

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    Oh, I missed out the French. I guess Lalanne is probably a French surname...

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Shame that Moody is injured and will be out for the Argentinian game on Saturday.

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Getting nervous Be already?

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Yup, Moody is the team Captain.
    I love Rugby Union - not long to go now.

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rufus

    The funny thing is more of the Argentinian squad actually play their rugby in England than they do in Argentina (although most of them play in France).

    The match I'm waiting for is Russia v USA, should be very interesting...

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @82

    Good luck and let the best team win

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    84
    I'll go along with that. Here's to sport and a fast, open, game with plenty of tries.
    The winners will likely avoid New Zealand in the next round, so both teams should be up for it. Cheers.

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    Wooow!
    There is a new chat in the neighbourhood!
    Rugby is now allowed to exist!
    Not surprisingly with mutual desires of fine performance!
    Perhaps now some pitecanthropus will have to shout “Mark!” before condemning this noble sport as an “argie-brainwashing”

    Still laughing at number 67`s comment....“Think, you damned oligarch...” jajaja! (grew crows - vgr fascists- and they will devour your eyes)

    Everybody enjoy this saturday, unless the bets are against us. England has a real good team now, but our Pumas are replacing the old guard.

    Sep 05th, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Well they do say, things run in threes,
    England won last week
    we will win tomorrow,
    and we will win at the weekend,
    unless ??

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Think

    (86) Mr. Pheelan
    Nice to see that you’re still alive and kicking…….
    By the way, how does it go with el campo?
    A bit better, I hear.

    Think, el garca imaginario :-)

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Augustin Pichot says England will win by 30 points as Argentina are at an enormous disadvantage playing one test in the last year as well as loseing Juan Hernandez.In terms of popularity England despite their history of chronic failure at Sport should as easily win as Argentina would do in Basketball,Tennis and certainly Polo.But the pumas are a plucky lot and will give it all.

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 06:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    (88) Dear Think:

    Alive yet, time to time reading this “turnipized” chat.
    Bored of repeating brits leveraging theirselves about how bad is Argentina, some kind of islander sport. Should they are capable of reasonable speaking or is all what they get?
    Our turnips also make their work, with honorable exceptions, but seems that they are a bit bored, too.
    Your resilience is admirable.
    Best Regards,

    89 O Gara,
    You are right, this match seems adverse, as usual when the “garra” remains as the only resource available. Unfortunately, the johnnys have been developping with their better skills of teamworking, they are the best european team for now.
    And the Scots have improved a lot, too. I have watch them last year at Mar del Plata and played better than us.
    Our goal should be to play decent rugby in order to keep our share at the 4 Nations Cup next year, as it could be the path for long-term improvement. We can´t internationally compete playing 4 or 5 matches a year. Uruguay, Chile and Brazil haven´t improve what is needed so we should look for hi level overseas.

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jayD

    @ Think - The difference between the Argentine Rugby team and the England Rugby Team, is that the England Rugby team is made up of players of British heritage, while the Argentine national rugby team is made up of players of European heritage, there is not one indigenous person in the entire Argentine team! One could be led to believe the process of apartheid in Argentina has been absolute! This is not a surprise to those of us outside of Argentina, because the image we have of your country is one of stamping boots, missing dissidents, long extinct Indian tribes, military coups and the illegal and constant harassment of a small group of islands off your coast, which you have invaded in the past and would like to in the future! Which if it was not so serious, would be hilarious, as it underlines an extremely immature - but highly dangerous - world view.

    Argentina as a nation, suffers from some kind of mass psychosis, where-by (after decades of constant brain washing and mass propaganda by politicians incapable of running the country but very adapt as deflecting attention to this) people seem to think it is perfectly normal in the 21stC for a nation to be obsessed about annexing neighboring territories by force if necessary. This is the mindset of 20thC Nazi Germany transported to Argentina!

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    91 Jay
    It`s obvious that you know nothing about Argentina history.
    Try english travellers and authors as Darwin, Musters, or Hudson.
    You will learn that a great amount of original people is in our blood.
    I celebrate that you regret about mistreating “indians” and “negros”, it`s a 180º british cultural change (as usual, “need” disguised as “value”).
    And is very funny to see that Mr. Roberts and you coincide in pointing that there is a national continuity of rights from the original argentine peoples to now. Very interesting to apply to the logic of our mutual conflicts.
    My 15% of original blood + my 5% of african blood desire you a good day!

    pd: for everybody, sorry for the off-topic!

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 12:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    92
    As a matter of interest how did you come up with your percentages?

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    93
    Probably my ancestors imitated Victoria, a global icon then.

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    94
    So you're not sure then?

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    Many on the left, the maxists, like to believe they have Indian blood. These people are the result of failed disappearances under past military junta.

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    95
    so sure as the fate of Munshi

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    @ 97 anda a la concha de tu madre

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @98

    wow !!! wtf !!

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Jay D.there are boludos and there are pelotudos but you are in a class all of your own.
    Anyone supposedly supporting Englands heritage and attacks Argentina for abuseing indiginous people must be either trolling or mentally deficent maybe both i would say in youir case.
    Considering your lot spend three or four centuries teaching to rest of the World how to do ethnic cleanseing this is surely extraordinary

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jayD

    @ gaga -

    It appears you are the troll!

    It was British North America that offered the Plains Indians sanctuary, when the US government sort to ethnically cleanse them - this was around the time your own governments troops were doing the same to the Indian.

    Britain has no history of ethnic cleansing. Although those who hate the British wish to paint their history differently. It's called propaganda.

    It was the British who came to the aid of the world in 1939 when Nazi Germany was sweeping through Europe. It was the UK that came to the aid of the Falklands when a similar Nazi government, this time in your own country sort to deflect attention from its own crimes against its own people and its failure to run the country in a functional way by invading a small group of islands several hundred miles away.

    It was Britain that also saved Europe from the might of the Kaisers Empire that sort to force Europe into its grip, just as it had done against Napoleon's France.

    Britain was the rock on which Western Europe sat in the darkest days of the Cold War in Europe.

    Britain was stood against apartheid, even was not in her national interest and the kith and kin were involved.

    Britain is the first country to donate aid and come to the assistance after an international disaster, famine, etc.

    It was Britain that came to the rescue of the people of Sarawak when Indonesia threatened to invade and consume them like East Timor. As she did in Malaya.

    Unlike Germany, France or even Argentina who sort to force all those within their nations boundaries into a single entity Britain has embraced diversity, protected the cultures of its people the Cornish, Welth, Scots, Irish, English, Anglo Irish, Scots Irish, and also sort to give territories self rule at the first opportunity - Canada, my own country Australia, New Zealand, etc.

    Britain has civilised the world. Argentina has done exactly what? Other than postured over neighboring territories it seeks to consume?

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @ 91&101 jayD,
    Very well said jay.
    But the Argentines will never admit it as they ALWAYS have to be right.
    Something basicaly wrong with their Psyche, they seem to feel always inferior.
    Poor lost souls.

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pheel

    @ 102 Isolde and Jay before

    Stating that we need to be right always is so a generalisation as telling that brits pretending to be superior.
    For example, Jay comes from a country that has destroyed their aborigins tribes and is frequently accused for mistreating migrants - but instead of sparing his time against that cruelties, is here accusing a country he don`t knows, and in a rugby thread.
    I can´t see any argentinos doing the same against Australia, unless they provoke us.
    So, who are the pretenders?

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 11:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • jayD

    @ Pheel - True we don't have a perfect history when it comes to the aborigines but as for migrants, if we treated them so poorly why do we get so many? This coming from an Argentine - you live in a country that murdered tens of thousands of your own youth in the 60's and 70's for their political ideals! We don't claim any neighboring territories not already under our jurisdiction and we respect other peoples right to sovereignty.

    As for Argentina provoking Australia, you don't need to mate. As I say - we see how you treat the people of your own country and a the people of the Falkland Islands.

    I was in the RAN at the time of the Falklands and would have loved to help the Brits kick your backsides but they didn't need our help. We've fought in the same wars since the year zero, so don't expect we wouldn't be there to help them if they need us again.

    As for the rugby expect to get another whipping, don't blame me for changing the subject, your posters on here are constantly ranting about a group of islands they have no right to and the people you are insulting are the readers of this website who live there and have to live under the constant threat of your jackboots. Have some common decency! Have you ever heard of the word empathy? If you had you'd realise how extreme some of you guys sound and how so incredibly obsessed your nation is with these islands you have never owned - even if we argued 1833, you don't seem to get the irony in a date 177 years ago. Most people read about your claims and laugh. The Falkland Islanders don't, it's funny but deadly serious, they're living next to a bunch of fascistic loons! (not all Argentines are like minded, but too many of you are suffering from some kind of psychosis on the subject of the Falklands!).

    The reality is you have no chance of ever taking sovereignty, the rules of international law require all nations to observe the right of self determination for people everywhere. That law includes the Falklands.

    Sep 06th, 2011 - 11:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Pumas already won.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/rugby-world-cup-2011/argentina/176566/pumas-play

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Well, they've won the kids over, now all they have to do is win the game. Nice to see. Good luck(no sarcasm intended).
    ln fact, good luck to all the teams.

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo2

    [] - 104 J.D

    did you ever hear before “” Aborigins & Torres “” / Straight Islands ??

    could you tell us anything below events if you know them in
    Aussie History ??

    Fremantle(west aussie) 1830...Brits commander Irwin !!....

    Convincing Ground 1833-34/ Victoria/whale hunters...!!...

    Waterloo Creek / 1838/ women & children killed !!....

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    How about these massacres geo2? You see, Argentina is not all purity and light. You are just the same - and worse!

    Napalpi
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masacre_de_Napalp%C3%AD

    Genocide in TDF
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masacre_de_Napalp%C3%AD

    Rincon Bomba
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masacre_de_Napalp%C3%AD

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    if argentina or indeed its dedicated bloggers, was not worried, then why do they go on and on about them,
    the reason is simple , they fear what they fail to understand, they throw mud to the wind, bring up the past, condemm the empire,
    anything they can think of, to get a reaction,they refuse to answer questions, but very quickly change the subject,
    for a country that claims it is not frightend, its doing a very good job of reminding us, [sooner or later they will get their wish]
    mmmm,

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    It seems that you post and dont read the spanish of your posts Roberts. In genocide of TDF it is said:
    Capataces y peones of english scotish and irish nationality were the indian hunters. Names like Mc Lennan, Cameron, Hyslop, Mc rae, Wales sound very british and are in the list your link provides of indian hunters.
    Up to 1880 there were 4000 yamanas and onas. Then europeans began to establish. Julius Popper, a ruman jewish was gold digger and indian hunter. The same Mr Mc Lean that put price for testículos and senos and children ears of indians of SA.
    Also peones yugoslavs and austríacos got entertenmaint hunting onas a escopetazos.
    The sources Daily News 1882 (not argentines sources) in the link you provided.
    Interesting.
    Also watch who where the ones hunting penguins anglosaxons, noruegos y suecos zorros, and lobos the yankees.

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    It happened on Argentine territory malen, with the blessing of Argentine authorities.

    Just because they people had immigrant surnames should not really be a surprise since 90% of Argentines are the descendants of immigrants. Oh, and the worst of the lot was Popper, which is not even an English, Scottish or Irish surname. What's more, there would not be much known about Selk'nam and Ona culture and language if it wasn't for an Englishman called Bridges.

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Something a bit more uptodate malen nourished

    Child starvation stalks Argentina’s northern provinces
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml

    Have you said sorry to what you country did in the past?
    http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/feb2003/arge-f22.shtml

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Argentinians with british descendance they were in 1880.
    Argentinians we do mix a lot, spaniards used indians to work. didnt kill them all.
    And mapuches still exists. There is a big comunnity in Patagonia. I buy their products. Also eat the galesa cake of Gainman, a little city in the south of our country, dont remember the province chubut or santa cruz.

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    So what if it was 1880 malen. It was still sanctioned by the Argentine government and happened in Argentine territory.

    Oh, yea, there are Mapuche left. But very few of them. Like the rest of Argentina's indigenous people they are mostly landless, disenfranchised, ignored and abused. Just because you buy a few Mapuche products and eat Welsh cake from Gaiman doesn't really change any of the facts.

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Obviously its a tragedy. And english descendants were part of that cruelty. So much part of the dessert conquest, as you posted and contributed to the exterminion of the indians of the south.
    There are indigineous in my country and Im descendant of them like many argentinians.

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Is the conquest of the WEST by the Americans different from the Conquest of the Desert (Patagonia) ? why the double standard ?

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    Indians in Argentina are mainly uneducated, do unskilled manual work, such as raising food to feed themselves and make up rural peasantry in many parts. They are mainly leftists and have been pain in the back of Argentine government for too long. For this reason a significant number disappeared in the 70's. They are similar to poplation of las malvinas as we dislike them, they are part of Argentina but they do not belong!

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    The Indians are leftist? since when? Ask “el Che” and his attempt to expand the Marxism, Leninism in Bolivia and tell me how it went .....

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    and what has all this to do with rugby?

    Sep 07th, 2011 - 08:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Nothing whatsoever !!

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    there are many leftists in CIA !!

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    There are many of us in the CIA, geo! Beware!

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    CIA was set up by British Secret Service after WW2 they are arm of British monarchy New World Order which seeks to put world under British hegemony using the military and economic power of America which is run by anglo-American elites!

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    123
    Thank you, very entertaining.
    You should write fiction for a living.
    There again, perhaps you do.

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] -122 isol

    decide it please ! which are you !?

    - a leftist CIA member ?
    - a farm owner country girl ?
    - a Falkland Mujaheddin ?

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulzinala

    bien el comentario del sr. neal russell, solo en la mente de algun desequilibrado puede existir la idea de que mas alla del partido que jugaran el sabado las selecciones de inglaterra y de argentina, pueda existir otra actitud que no sea la de alentar con fervor y alegria a dos equipos de un deporte tan apasionante como es el rugby...vamos argentina !

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    See
    Eye
    Aye
    No lefties in that lol
    By the george,
    The dragon coming to have a word with you lol.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/defenceimages/6123870457/
    and his mate
    lol.
    ,

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    [] - 127 brit

    those were the days !!

    do you aware of shabby UK budget ??

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    budget argentine cars ?

    Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Apparently the BA football derby between Boca Juniors and River Plate had to be rescheduled in 2007 because it clashed with the Pumas World Cup Quarter Final.
    Guess RU is more popular in Argentina than some Argentine Tits, Think.
    Oh well ........Swing low Sweet Chariot.........

    Sep 09th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • J.A. Roberts

    The Pumas are making England look like amateurs. Still, it doesn't make the Falklands Argentine territory...

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    13 to 9 .... I didn't see the game, How was it? based on the score .... not necessary a massacre, right ???

    Be ... Congratulations !! let the whatever chariot drive and the swinging bla bla !!! :-)))))

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    132
    It was an ugly game not helped by a fussy, whistle happy referee.
    Argentina played very well but suffered a number of injuries to key players who had to be withdrawn. England had a player sin binned for 10 mins of the game
    Both teams missed a number of penalties.
    Late on as Argentina tired, England scored the games only try.
    A further penalty to England secured the game.

    The Chariot swings on....

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • paulzinala

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    133 Ohhh the sound of whining. Did you change your underwear during the game? :-)

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Nah, always confident we would prevail against Argentina. It was just a matter of time before we scored that all important try. After that Argentina seemed to go a bit brown trousered. Scotland will provide the sterner test in Pool B. Hopefully we will not give away so many silly penalties.

    Swing low sweet chariot.

    Oh yeah hope all those Argentinian players who got hurt and couldn't play on make a rapid recovery.

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    thats four in a row,
    England-England-England-England,
    no exuses, good game, but facts are facts, we won, you lost,
    still you have a chance against scotland, and the others,
    no time to grumble, no time to sulk,
    play play play,
    mmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Sep 10th, 2011 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • MarkWhelan

    If anyone there is actually interested in the game itself you can view the blow by blow description on
    http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-world-cup/happened-england-v-argentina-4395356
    or see the video highlights on
    http://tvnz.co.nz/rugby-world-cup/happened-england-v-argentina-4395356

    Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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