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Argentina alleges Falklands is under ‘military occupation’ with more soldiers than civilians
Falklands-Malvinas is “under military occupation” and the military base “has more soldiers than the British civilian population occupying the Islands”, said Argentine ambassador before the United Nations Jorge Argüello during a conference at China’s International Studies Foundation. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPlease- can Raul or Marcos or Fillipo or anyone over there please tell me which FACTS does this idiot base his assertions on?? Please Please can one of you tell me!!
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0I can give you some clues: FACT - the last census showed the civilian population resident in the Islands(excluding the civilian contractors working and living at the base for the military) as being cerca 3000
Now that is a Public FACT.
Also it is common knowledge that the UNIFORMED MILITARY Prescence in the Islands is not much over 1000-1200 maximum. It may go up a hundred or so during routine traineing exercises but that figure is the commonly and widely known baseline figure
Now I left school a few years ago, but even my befuddled brain can work out that the Civilian Population normally resident here OUTNUMBER military by MORE THAN 2 -1!!!!!!!
Its rather sad when Arg politicians have to resort to such easily disproved fantasy lies to selfinflate their claim!!!
yes but what proportion of the statistic you gave for the civilian population are bona fide permanent residents? - the malvinas government never provides this figure.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 1 calm down and ask yourself this question like Redhoyt does: ”are the falklands still british? yes? then everything's allrighet :)” (or something like that)
Sep 08th, 2011 - 02:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0if you're going to be happy or unhappy depending on what those people say, you'll never be really happy. stop worrying with anticipation for something that will never happen.
1000 of those 3000 civilians are in kelperland because of MPA.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0there are only 2000 kelpers in those southamerican islands.
MPA=british military occupation= 1800 military personell + 1000 civilians + 800 RN patrolling.
3600 british military ocuppation in malvinas vs 2000 kelpers living in kelperland.
1 Islander1 Take into account that many of those “3000 civilians” are in vacation back home(UK) most of the time, Mike Summers for example.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 02:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0He is right Malvinas is under military occupation.
Billious - it's 3000 + 1000 troops.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 02:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's called 'breeding' and tends to naturally increase populations.
Recent discussions by the FIG have looked at raising the housing stock to cope with 10,000. Probably due to the cold, dark nights there with very little other entertainment :-)
But, if you want us to send more troops we'll have a few available soon.
Mind you, your best chance in the last 30 years has just whistled by unnoticed -
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/blunder-bull/
Quite right ExBrain - they are! And they are likely to continue being so!
And God's in his heaven :-))
6 Nice article Rotted. Is he related to you by any chance?
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A blunder by a member of the ground crew, who put a heavy anti-freeze into the fuel tanks rather than the special chemical that is required to stop the fuel freezing, necessitated an engine strip down for two helicopters and checks on two Typhoon aircraft.
Around 1.5 million GBP of aviation fuel has been affected”
We aim to please - http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/08/hypocrisy/
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
redhoyt - the falklands government is not planning to build housing for 10,000 for the simple reason that the infrastructure is not there to support such a number of people. There is no sewage farm, they dont have a large enough water purification plant and they dont have sufficient electricity generating capacity to support such a population. Even if oil is found the population will not increase much as the oil will not come near shore prior to export as oil can be pumped straight from the rig and into a tanker using the latest transhipping methods.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Sep 08th, 2011 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0This article highlights perfectly the central points in the Malvinas issue :
“……….The XIX century will be the century of the natural resources dispute and this helps to explain the British contumacy and its negative position to any kind of negotiations…….”
“………..In spite of British point blank rejection, never before has Latin America and the Caribbean been so united in defence of the territorial integrity of the region…….”
All talk about the “self-determination rights” of 2.500 illegal British squatters backed and sustained by the aggressive British war machine is incongruous, illogical and irrelevant for Argentina, for Latin-America and, in due course, for the rest of the world…………………
Actually Think this article highlights one thing, that the FInare British and Argetina is not able to do anything about it (and is not actually doing anything about it).
Sep 08th, 2011 - 05:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long and short of it really.
Never before, has a muckspreader carried a heavier load !
Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0The key term used here is the word “allege”. This indicates the futileness of this claim.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0The word indicates Argentina's unwillingness to take any meaningful or effective action in defense of its supposed national interest in the FI. Alledge informalities this entire claim and anything other than an allegation would require Argentina to lodge a legal challenge. Something it is avoiding at all costs.
Regarding support from China. Actions and not words are what count and based on the level of educational and research investment between the UK and China I alledge that China sees the UK as a more central partner than Argentina.
In the absence of a legal claim then the only other option for Argentina would be to take heed of a quote from an ex-leader of their supposed Chinese allies, “true power is delivered down the barrel of a gun”!
I guess Argentina is resigned to doing nothing on both fronts but members of it's population are quite happy to be strung along by such ineffective and incompetent approaches.
”Ambassador Argüello’s conference belongs to the round of international talks promoted by Argentine diplomacy and titled “You need two for Tango”.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0As everyone knows.....a Tango is a romance lasting 3 minutes !
I have two words to say to the Chinese Think Tank.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Spratly Islands.
after from western USA /15 comments ,let's comment from Europe !!
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jorge Argüello talks in strange by saying that “” ...have more soldiers
than ...civilians.....“” this is wrong !
FI is totaly full of British soldiers and their families not has any
civilian population !!
Just goes to prove how stupid the Argies are, they don't even know what Century they are living in.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Here's a clue, it's not the XIX (19th) Century morons, what pillocks.
Actually Thunk this article highlights 2 things.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:57 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Despite kicking up a fuss on every Latin American forum Argentina has achieved nothing constructive.
2. The whole world except Argentina doesn't give two hoots about the modest British garrison on the islands....mainly because unlike Argentina, they can't make domestic political capital from it.
Another year has passed and what has happened....eeer Argentina has gotten a little more angry and vocal and the arguments and claims have gotten steadily dafter, the above argument by Arguello just shows how desperate the Argentine political establishment is to try and make international political capital out of the Falklands, it wouldn't surprise if under a years time having failed to raise international eyebrows with the current round of pre decided claims of nuclear weapons, potential oil spills and military occupations.....Having watched the Wicker man with Spanish subtitles Arguello will start to claim that the islanders indulge in pagan rituals and sacrifice Latin American Children kidnapped from the continent in large wicker structures........Mike Summer/Lord Summer coincidence or what? :)
he could have said pirate occupation and it would have sounded about right.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0large slice of Hypocrisy anyone?
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Corbeta Uruguay was an Argentine military outpost established in November 1976 on the island of Thule, Southern Thule, in the South Sandwich Islands. The base was established by order of the then-military junta governing Argentina as a way to back up its territorial claims on British territory in the South Atlantic. Britain discovered the base in December 1976 but sought a diplomatic solution to the issue until 1982.
Argentina - Falklands
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0China - Taiwan
Let Arguello try convincing the Koreans, Japanese, Vietnamese, etc that his concept of territorial integrity has any value in modern thinking beyond crude land grab.
Go back to school Mr Ambassador, or get a new speech writer.
@21 There is a major difference between the Malvinas and Taiwan. Taiwan was (is) a Chinese territory which sought to declare its independence from mainland China. The Malvinas are Argentinean territory occupied by a foreign power. If you are going to compare, compare Chine - Hong Kong to Argentina - Malvinas.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0There's a major difference between the Falklands and Hong Kong Troneas. Hong Kong was leased from China for 99 years. When the lease came up the Brits asked if they could renew, China said no, so the Brits gave it back. The Falklands have never been Argentine territory. It's a completely different situation.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Well perhaps the UK should ask for a lease too in this case.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fantasia:
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There is no sewage farm”
Yes there is you absolute pillock, and it doesn't require a herculean feat of engineering to put 4 more concrete tanks into the ground and associated pipes
“They dont have a large enough water purification plant”
Lord beejasus save us, are you really that stupid? Did you seriously think that they were going to build 10,000 new homes over night and not expand the currently (under used) water treatment plant (underused because the water is already of highest quality).
“Dont have sufficient electricity generating capacity to support such a population”
Hellooooooo? Earth to Fantasia? Its called expanding existing capacity, they will do it gradually in line with the already expanding population....
“Even if oil is found the population will not increase much as the oil will not come near shore prior to export as oil can be pumped straight from the rig and into a tanker using the latest transhipping methods”
AAAAH my god can you get any dafter :) you will still need support staff on the islands, and maintenance facilities as well as an inevitably larger port in order to cater for repairs and fuelling of support vessels and oil tankers....or did you think that the hundreds of potential workers involved where just going to live on the rig for years on end with their families? Along with all the support staff, dock workers, admin staff, book keepers, housing officers, repair crews, not to mention the fact that oil and gas will have to be stored in overflow containers on shore any way in case the rig is shut down.
“Well perhaps the UK should ask for a lease too in this case.”
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0What, lease the Falklands from themselves? That would be a bit pointless wouldn't it...
No. ask Argentina for a lease. put up the Argentinean flag on those islands, together with the british flag, recognise argentine sovereignty, pay royalties for its administration for X amount of years; automatic dual citizenship for every person born on the islands until the lease is over.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Rhaurie-Craughwell -
Sep 08th, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0there is no sewage farm - Porto Stanley's waste goes direct into the harbour.
To build a sewage farm capable of handling the waste from the present population will cost $4 million (est)
The water supplied to Porto Stanley comes from a small stream which is already under stress and the water is not pure - it needs intensive processing to remove the heavy stain.
A new water treatment plant will first require a new source of water and a much larger processing plant. Cost: $5.5 million (est)
The present power station can provide sufficient power for the exisitng requirements of Porto Stanley. If the population was to increase to 10,000 an entirely new power station would have to be built outside of the town as there is no space to extend the present one.
Cost: $22 million (est)
Should oil be found in exportable quantities the only shore staff will be a logistics crew and wharehouse for storing emergency parts and victualling. No more than 15 people. All other crew like rig workers will be flown in and out without staying in Stanley for more than 12 hours. The rig tender will be based in Stanley but will spend most of its time at the rig with only irregular calls into Stanley. Its crew will remain offshore - maybe ten total and they will be spending perhaps one week a month in Stanley.
There might be a helicopter based in Stanley which might involve 4 crew and five ground staff.
A further transient number of visiting agents, management etc may call in from time to time - maybe 15 a month.
And what would you need a larger port for? what would you need on-shore storage tanks for? and anyway even if you did need them they are already all available at Mare harbour.
So what else is there? well nothing really - dont forget that when the fishing industry began in the Islands people like you would say that there would be a massive influx of people who would need new housing and offices but what happened? nothing much really.
No Troneas, we owe you nothing & you'll get precisely that, nothing!
Sep 08th, 2011 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will never recognise your sovereignty because you have none.
We have absolutely no desire for Argentine citizenship as we have our own.
What part of the above don't you understand?
@29 the majority of the countries in the world say we do have rights. And I forgot bi-lingual education as well.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 10:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe Mr Argüello, then you are just another mindless drone who laps up Argentine propaganda. Pure and simple, you are devoid of independent thought. The accusations from Argüello can be proved easily wrong with the Census and by visiting the Falkland Islands. By beleiving this tripe only proves that your knowledge regarding the Falklands is beyond poor and you just discredit anything you have to say regarding the Falklands. But you believe it anyway because it back-ups up your absurd claim over islands you know nothing about.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0@30 you only have bilingual (theres no - in bilingual) becuase english is the main international language and your spanish language is not. However i think you will find that we have qaudrilingual education, french, german, spanish and Intalian, though must only choose to learn one and some not even bother due to the fact ENGLISH is the international language and most other countries teach English as a result therefore meaning we have no real need to actually learn a second rate language such as yours.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for leasing the islands from you, well you never owned the islands, we dicovered them and we made an official claim to covereingty in the 1770's there never any argentinians on the islands in 1833 either as their was no such thing as an argentinian tell argentina existed as a country and that was not until 1850. So the islands were british long before your country even existed and we have never relinguished sovereingty yet have twice been forced to inforce our rights of soverienty once when the royal admiralty of buenous aries illegally made luis vernter govenour which was as much as surprise to him as it was to us, and the british made a formal objection to it, as its was a breach of our soveignty, and so was the placing of the illgal garrison by the royal admiralty (and no the royal admiraty was not the predecessor to argentina as the two are very different states in terms of size and territory. Argentina was the joining or many different sovereign states, just like the USA is - and not a single one of the states owned the islands, infact it was us british that discovered Tierra del Fuego and built Ushuaia, so historically the islands belong to us and techinically we have a better historical claim to the sovereignty of Tierra del Fuego then you do.
“ask Argentina for a lease”
Sep 08th, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0What for Troneas? They don't own the Falklands...
@ Troneas In 1982 US was against us, UN was against us, EU was against us, British Commonwealth was against us, Chile was against us.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0All above are New World Order. Argentina needs stand alone against oppression. We do not need to consider right of self determination for las malvinas as they population is illegallly there for 177 years. WE NEED FINAL SOLUTION TO LAS MALVINAS PROBLEM NOW!!!!!
Let me get this right. There is no sewage farm on the Falkland Islands !
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So who gets their sh*t ?
Perhaps Fantasy would like to take up a job at the Stanley Sewage Treatment works. Then he really would be talking from a position of knowledge, because at the moment he's just spouting shyte out of the wrong orifice.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.tiptopjob.com/search/jobs_by_role/j/wastewater+treatment+operator/c/flk_falkland_islands_islas_malvinas/m/1000210_utilities_services
The Argies misread the words “post office” for “sewage farm” in 1982. I suppose it would have been easy to post their shit back to them, there was little incentive because Argentina is the world largest producer of Bull Shit that emanates from their mentally unstable leaders.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That drill bit keeps on turning!
LOL! You cannot build more housing because you don't have the infrastructure? Surely as part of housing development the infrastructure is expanded. The two go hand in hand.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the Argentine government use that excuse to leave millions living in the Villa Miserias?
@ fantazum2011
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WE NEED TO SEND ALL PIRATES HOME!!! BUT SINK THEIR PIRATE SHIPS.
I DREAM OF LAS MALVINAS NIGHT AND DAY MY ONLY THOUGHTS ARE OF LAS MALVINAS. I WOULD LOVE TO DIE FOR LAS MALVINAS.
EVER SINCE MY FIRST BREATH I LEARD OF THESE BEATIFUL ISLANDS POPULATED BY PENGUINS AND THEY BELONG TO ARGENTINA BUT NO ARGENTINE LIVE THERE FOR 177 YEARS!!! I LEARN THAT INTERNATIONAL LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO ARGENTINA AND RIGHTS OF POPULATION TO SELF DETERMINATION UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW DOES NOT APPLY TO ARGENTINA.
WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR ISLANDS BY FORCE AS INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS AGAINST US AND INTERNATIONAL LAW IS AGAINST US. I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR THESE ISLANDS I HOPE FANTASIM YOU ARE NO COWARD LEFIST AND YOU WILL BE WILLING TO DIE TO!!!!
@Flippo #34
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You really are a spinless hypocrite arn't you flippo! (not a question as am stating it as a fact that you are)
You say you need to stand alone against oppression yet it is yourselves that are at this very moment tryin to oppress the islanders, your very statement of “we do not need to consider right of self determination of the falkland islanders” is prove of your intent to oppress. And by the way as a signatory of the UN Charte then yes you do have to respect the islanders right to self determination. And no they were not illegally implanted on the islands 177 years ago, as the islands belonged to no one prior to the earliest settlements by britain, spain, and france, where both spain and france gave up their claim for sovereignty long before 1833, where as britain has always maintained hers since officially claim in the 1770's.
What was never yours in the first place, will never be yours in the present or future unless taken by force. So get the picture dumbass?
I suggest you read proper history books instead of your argentine make believe history stories.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why Argentina will never be taken seriously in the world Ambassador Argüello ( who is this Muppet that I have never heard of ) says that the Falklands is under military occupation, well doesn't he know that they are invited to be on those Islands by the people of the Falklands for their own protection from a real occupation force namely a Muppet Argentine force like the one that occupied those Islands in 1982 for a few short months until a real army and navy and air force kicked their arses back to Argentina with a clear message that when you come out to play with the big boys of the world you can expect a good old smack around the kisser and a boot up the arsehole.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your right Red no shit on the Falklands , all the shit is in Argentina we see it everyday on these blogs and from people like Ambassador Argüello ( who is this person I have never heard of? ) who talks out of his arse
@Flippo #39
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“WE MUST TAKE BACK OUR ISLANDS BY FORCE AS INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY IS AGAINST US AND INTERNATIONAL LAW IS AGAINST US. I AM WILLING TO DIE FOR THESE ISLANDS I HOPE FANTASIM YOU ARE NO COWARD LEFIST AND YOU WILL BE WILLING TO DIE TO!!!!”
YEAH YOU AND WHO'S ARMY? BRING IT ON WARMONGER
OH LOOK I WRITE IN BIG LETTERS TOOOO LOL
@34 Well, pillockpro, I see you're reverting to the words of your hero and idol. He was also keen on a final solution. Although in his case he thought the problem was the Jewish people in Germany and elsewhere. But there are still millions of Jewish people all around the world and he finished up with cyanide in his stomach, a bullet through his supposed brain and a burial method poured out of a jerrycan.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, the UK already has a FINAL SOLUTION to the ARGENTINE PROBLEM. Our SOLUTION comes in 44 foot high, 83 inch diameter cylinders. These are contained in an outer packaging 492 feet long and approx. 42 feet in diameter.
Would you like to try them out? We have lots of pre-packaged doses and I don't see a major problem in dropping you a few.
The military occupation of the Falkland Islands ended on June 14 1982. An event commemorated annually as Liberation Day in the Falkland Islands.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We keep a few troops there to deter trying it again, as the last time the islands were undefended this bunch of fascist pricks walked in.
This fairy story about pirates that Argentines are brainwashed with from birth always makes me smile. Fairy stories and nursery rhymes belong in the nursery, then you just have to grow up and face the facts of history.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do like the idea of being a thought of as a pirate, though. It is two weeks away from Speak Like A Pirate Day but I guess we can start practising. “Arrrrgh! Avast me hearties and prepare to be boarded”.
“The Malvinas Islands is 400 kilometres offshore Argentine territory and 14.000 kilometres from London”, said Argúello
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love the distance argument from the Argies
Isla Martín García is an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
Fliplop - what are you going to use to invade the islands? Last time I looked your military expansion consider of four patrol boats that you have yet to receive and a couple of Russian helicopters based on a 1960s design. Happy swimming!
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quote “China is supporting Argentina's claims”... China with its long history of democracy, freedom and liberty. In the world of slave labour and the organ harvesting of political prisoners China has an unrivaled reputation. Argentines must be so proud. Fascism and Communism team up! Now where have we seen this before?
Sep 08th, 2011 - 01:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ ... I WOULD LOVE TO DIE FOR LAS MALVINAS ...”
Sep 08th, 2011 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey, FlipFlop ...... go for it!
Maybe try swimming there :-)
Jay - China has a long held policy of not getting involved. A few days ago Argentina went to Russia and in the final communique, ' thanked' Russia for their support over the Falkland islands. Which was strange, because there was nothing in that final communique about the Islands. They just thanked them anyway!
Something similar will come out of China :-)
All BS !
” Mrs Garcia, in bringing this week’s meeting of the Sante Fe Knitters to a close, reiterated the support of this circle to the legitimate rights of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute with the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland of the North, concerning the Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich and the surrounding maritime area, recalling the particular interest for both Governments to resume negotiations to find a solution to the dispute as soon as possible.”
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/05/fighting-talk/
:-)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14818341
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-14827781
All talk about the “self-determination rights” of 2.500 illegal British squatters backed and sustained by the aggressive British war machine is incongruous, illogical and irrelevant for Argentina, for Latin-America and, in due course, for the rest of the world…………
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing more than emotional nonsense with a touch of desperation.
Argentine arrogance, hypocrisy and aggression will ensure the Falklands remain British.
I dont know if is it true or not the fact that there are more soldiers than civilian population, because i dont know how many soldiers are there in the island at the moment.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I only have always known that as long as the negotiations are not resumed, like the decolonization committee expressed in all the resolutions, with purpose of finding a peacefull solution for this dispute, unfortunately, it's expectable that we have more problems in the future, the so called blockade, the expretions of the polititians from both countries, are the result of the lack of negotiations, and of the pertinatious rejection of the u. k. to respect the resolutions from the u. n., and resume once and for all the conversations with argentina, we can discuss for good about the historic perspectives of the two countries respecting the occupation of the islands, and discuss also if the right to self determination is applicable or not to the people from the malvinas-falklands, all the opinions are respectable and they will always be open to diferent interpretations and postures, however the resolutions from the u. n. must be respected beyong the postures of both nations.
Some day you will have to understand that intransigence never helps, so, dont complain if our government takes hard decitions regarding this dispute, like the so called blockade.
We are not asking the u. k. to return the islands to argentina, we are only asking you to respect the resolutions from the u. n., and negotiate together a peacefull solution.
The size of the garrison is proportional to the level of perceived threat.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina cuts out the bellicosity and amends its constitution viz a viz TFI, deployment can be scaled down.
Over to you.
If you want a smaller garrison, you know what to do.
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Sep 08th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only peaceful solution is for Argentina to accept the wishes of the Islanders.
You started well but then the threats started to come to the surface, undoing all your good work.
You must understand that no negotiations can take place without the consent of the Islanders.
Argentina should adopt a more mature policy that rejects blockades and aggression. Argentina should engage with the Islanders on equal terms, establish good trade relations and build confidence.
On a different and obviously more important subject ( to me , of course ), I noticed the following, on # 50 (first video) , are the soldiers using the FN MAG ?? Am I wrong?
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's a different variant in use with the British army Artillero. L7A2 GPMG.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very similar though !!
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are not asking the u. k. to return the islands to Argentina, we are only asking you to respect the resolutions from the u. n.”
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But the UN has not issued any resolutions regarding the Falklands except for the ones issued against Argentina back in 82. Guess you must be talking about the recommendations of the decolonisation committee who have only said that both sides should seek a peaceful solution instead of making war.
J.A. Roberts (#) Sep 08th, 2011 - 12:07 pm Report abuse
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps Fantasy would like to take up a job at the Stanley Sewage Treatment works. Then he really would be talking from a position of knowledge, because at the moment he's just spouting shyte out of the wrong orifice.
www.tiptopjob.com/search/jobs_by_role/j/wastewater+treatment+operator/c/flk_falkland_islands_islas_malvinas/m/1000210_utilities_services
I tried your link Sir....it said there are no jobs for water treatment experts in the malvinas.
You are speaking poo poo sir....mucho poo poo
57: Aye it's the same weapon really. For instance the US calls it the M240. All versions are slightly different.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see that. I carried the tripod of the MAG in my first year of Military School and it was worse than delivering a baby ....
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 028 fantazum2011 You are better informed than any islander, specially Cockwell.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0However, the UK already has a FINAL SOLUTION to the ARGENTINE PROBLEM. Our SOLUTION comes in 44 foot high, 83 inch diameter cylinders. These are contained in an outer packaging 492 feet long and approx. 42 feet in diameter.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you like to try them out? We have lots of pre-packaged doses and I don't see a major problem in dropping you a few
DO not worry conquered,You will need it to defend uk,very soon....
Axel, the UK did negotiate. The “sovereignty umbrella”, remember. “Confidence building”, remember. Joint fisheries commission, remember. Joint hydrocarbons, remember. etc, etc. Argentina threw that all back in the UK's face. And you have the temerity to call the UK “pertinatious” (whatever that means) for not negotiating.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Since you mention the UN, perhaps you should be reminded that not a single relevant UN resolution (of which there have been none since 1988) call for a transfer of sovereignty. Not a single one of them say the Falklands should be Argentine territory. All they ask is the the UK and Argentina resolve their differences, end their dispute peacefully. Every single one of those resolutions references the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination. This is something Argentina cannot ignore.
If you engage the Falkland Islanders, treat them with respect, you might even find that in a few generations they WANT to become Argentine. If you keep treating them like you do, with threats and harrasment nothing will change. The Falkland Islanders zero respect for Argentina. They are defended, secure in their homes with a thriving economy and do not need Argentina for anything, so it is no surprise that they want nothing to do with you?
Now if this is a so called military occupation then it should be raised by Argentina in the appropriate forum which would be the Security Council.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malviner - who is going to attack the UK “very soon”? Care to share?
Nice 8% rise for RKH today and the drill bit keeps on turning. You know only 15 days rig time have been lost to weather in the drilling operation. That is fantastic considering we have been going for 18 months! Looks like the wind has caused more disruption to the drilling than Argentina!
@Malviner01 #63 - “DO not worry conquered,You will need it to defend uk,very soon....”
Sep 08th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh i assume you mean you have some secret argentine plan to invade the UK instead of the islands have you? Wonder what your going to do; get in your rowing boat row 8,000 miles, land on brighton beach and get arrested for flashing your pinky at a few of us brits lol.
Considering argentina is the only country that is being aggressive towards to the UK and no other country is, then i find it very hard to believe that we will come under direct attack from any nation any time soon, or are you living back in the time of the spanish armada, if so i geuss you didnt read in the papers what happened to their armada - If you had, you'd know your one man rowing boat will be just a little bit of target practice to us.
61: I think they've done a lot about the weight issue with such stuff though im not positive. I know the future planning of most modern forces at the moment is mostly about reducing weight and adding computer systems to troops.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You should check out the US's planned ground troops innovations and even the British ones, you'd be supprised at the equipment they'll be carrying in 10 years. One example is a wrist type device that calculates the sound of an incoming bullet and tells the user the exact position the bullet comes from.
Think the US one is future warrior or something. The UK's one is future force 2020.
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Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i am not weapon expert ..MAG is NATO originated weapon ??
amigo
you have no chance with MAG against KALASNIKOV...!!
you can fight with MAG merely at open areas mounted on pick-up s
like where Iraq / Libya...never at Afghanistan mountains..!!
Becouse that,
KALASNIKOVS are lighter,have more fire domain,make no swelling.
my opinion is that max 400 mt range is enough to combat which
they have. !!
@67 I saw that!! actually is fascinating , it will require extensive training though, way too much info to handle by a platoon commander may be?
Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It reminds me of the Fire Direction Center of an Artillery Unit, very similar, location of targets, distribution of troops in the battlefield , digital cartography of the area, etc, etc ..... amazing stuff!
@68 Geo, you are talking about 2 complete different things and requires some explanation my brother :-))
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Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not 2 complete different things..becouse that both are
semi/full automatic combat weapons !
BUT
each needs to have different own logistics !
“i am not weapon expert”
Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Indeed you aren't. You proved that with your latter message. FN MAG originates from Belgium.
An AK-47 and MAG are entirely different types of weapons. One is a machine gun the other an assault rifle.
As four your opinion on what one is better, you are widely mistaken. Ak-47's are great weapons for unskilled and poorly equipped troops. They will not however and never will hold a bar on any of the modern weapons most forces use in armed forces where such forces are well trained. They just aren't able too keep up with newer rifles range accuracy or stopping power.
Apart from reliability in that case, an AK-47 will go through snow crap water mud or sand and still fire.
69: Yeah it was very intresting and i can't for the life of me find the link now. Another example is the custard armor coming into issue and the cameras on weapons that allow troops to shoot around corners. Full tactical view of the battlefield for commanders too, very intresting stuff.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yeah it will require a lot more training.
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Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read again my comment #68 's 4 th paragraph ..what says !
you can't fight on rugged areas with MAGs which have 700/800 mt
range ,becouse you can't see your targets..
no need assault rifle can't be carried away,clumsy,demode like MAGs
also very expensive to use them..
you can use mini shoulder rockets to hit the 800/1000 mt..targets.
It doesn't require a lot more training, the design is very intuitive to use. Especially for the Nintendo generation. And the GPMG is being replaced by the 7.62 version of the Minimi.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Minimi
Its a lot lighter. I used to carry the GPMG in the sustained fire roll - so I can appreciate that.
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Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i have nephew who is 16 years old , memorized/know all Wikipedia.
dou you want to discuss with him by whatever your comment name ?
What kind of weapon the British soldiers from 1st Battalion the Queen's Lancashire Regiment used to brutally killed Mr Mousa? An innocent Iraqi hotel receptionist.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8750944/Baha-Mousa-inquiry-David-Cameron-condemns-shocking-and-appalling-abuse.html
73 geo2:
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again you just prove that you're commenting on something you don't know about.
Talk to anyone who has actually used an AK-47 and they'll ALL tell you the same thing. You will not hit anything out of 200 meters unless you have the luck of the gods with you. It was not designed to do such things.
Where as a trained trooper weilding an american gun will hit upto 320 meters out and an SA-80 will hit upto 400 meters.
There is a massive difference between the max distance a bullet can travel and the accurate distance a trooper can put holes in someone they're amining at.
If you think for an instance that an AK-47 is in any way compairable to the FN MAG or any other modern weapon you clearly are just trolling.
I was going to,
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but listening to the argie bloggers, at the top then slowly down the list, they start to argue, but quickly run out of ideas, then lose interest, now changing the subject, you get feeling they know they are in the wrong, they know their country all talking rubbish, they know the world laughs at them, but are just to ashamed to admit it, hence the change of subject,
Well I may later ??lol
“you can't fight on rugged areas with MAGs which have 700/800 mt
Sep 08th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0range ,becouse you can't see your targets..”
AGAIN incorrect. And the FACT(Read: FACT) That all NATO forces have for the last 10 or so years been using the EXACT same weapon in question in rugged areas with great success just again proves that you have no clue what you're talking about.
In modern combat half the time you can't see the person you're shooting at, But ofcourse you don't have a clue what you're talking about as is evident by the fact that you're comparing not only a sub standard cheap weapon to a modern high quality weapon. But you're trying to compare a assault rifle to a machine gun.
You have it all wrong.
And im pretty sure Artillero would agree.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[] - 77 zet
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as i said i am not expert on weapons !
BUT
if i were an army i wouldn't use MAG weapons.
at my # 68 comment's last paragraph ..that max 400 mt range
is enough for any infantry / guerilla wars.
becouse
i know that infantry in the armies are very expensive part of whole
and very very expensive to hold them at flat/open areas like as in Iraq.
as you know NATO and others have no limitless budgets.
@76
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What kind of weapon the British soldiers from 1st Battalion the Queen's Lancashire Regiment used to brutally killed Mr Mousa? An innocent Iraqi hotel receptionist.
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Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0by the way ...maybe you know it !
is it finished the tunnel construction beneath
the Turkey/ Northern Iraq border..
probably it is thought as the Kurdistan underground highway !!
@76
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well it sure wasnt a Argie police weapon
On July 29, Sergeant Sergio Borgino in Mendoza Province reportedly shot and killed a sixteen-year-old boy who was attempting to break into his car and then disposed of his body in a dump. Authorities charged Borgino with aggravated homicide. His trial was pending at year's end.
On October 23, two police officers reportedly shot 15-year-old Juan Carlos Quiroz in Pergamino and then disposed of his body in a nearby field. The Minister of Security of Buenos Aires Province dismissed both officers and an investigation was pending at year's end.
In February authorities sentenced Buenos Aires police sergeant Carlos Madrid to 12 years' imprisonment for the 2007 off-duty killing of 18-year-old Daniel Ezequiel Cespedes. The victim's family appealed the decision, claiming the sentence was not harsh enough.
@82 I know, you sound like a parrot on Jack Sparow's shoulder.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos- sorry not to reply before but missed all the above 80 entries! Yes 3000 is the normallly resident civilian population and EXCLUDES the civilian back up staff/and families at the military base who are imported by and work for the military - they number maybe 3-400 or so and include women and children-families of service people, but are NOT included in the civilain population census.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 Worth repeating parrot fashion :-))))))
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0El sargento Sergio Borgino disparó cuando vio que le querían robar el auto. Después, cargó el cadáver en el baúl y lo arrojó en un basural. Pero un vecino vio la escena y la denunció. Borgino, antes de que fueran a su casa a detenerlo, prefirió presentarse.
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/sociedad/3-129013-2009-07-29.html
Does it really matter how many military there is on the island,
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What has it to do with Argentina?
Do the islanders criticise you on how to run Argentina,.
Just a thought .
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86 Islander1,No problem, but do you know how many of those 3000 live on the islands(Malvinas) year round?
Sep 08th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 82 stick up your junta I wonder if our own military would have even carried out an enquiry this kind of thing most likely would be covered up and brushed under the carpet, the corruption runs deep.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People are still being disappeared in our country it is a crime that makes us look like a third world dictatorship - http://www.argentinaindependent.com/feature/disappeared-in-democracy-gatillo-facil-and-deaths-in-police-custody-/
Hmmm, so much for China siding with Argentina against the UK. Looks like China is another country that placates Argentina with words while putting it's money where its real interests lie:
Sep 08th, 2011 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/business-14845892
89 Marcos Alejandro
Sep 08th, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How would anyone know that? Do you know how many people live in Argentina year round? Or are people's holidays and business trips their own business?
92 Monty69, For a population of 40 million people is difficult to know, however the large majority(most of them) they live here year round, but for a population of just 3000 shouldn't be that difficult to know.
Sep 08th, 2011 - 11:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not talking about a few days in vacation, don't you have any records about that? Is hard to believe.
But you have to admire English democracy they are absolutetely committed to the right of those liveing on the islands to choose if they want to be Falkland citizens or Malvinenses.why would anyone doubt that those who depend on the English mod for their liveing would not chhose Argentina.An example to the entire World in self determination.If you dont determine to stay you will get no job no money.Colonel Gadaffi was such a clown he just needed a little more subtlty.He obviously recognized this educateing some of his kids in London
Sep 09th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0FACT: The UN classifies the Malvinas as: “Administered by Great Britain - Claimed by Argentina”. Only the EU claims the Malvinas are a “British overseas territory”.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0FACT: The Malvinenses have no right to self determination as per UN resolutions.
FACT: The Malvinas are under a British military occupation.
No one is “laughing” at Argentina but the arrogant british pirates. Many countries say we have a valid claim and all that Argentina asks is for this claim be heard and taken into account to reach a fair solution to this situation. The only country that is incurring costs (both monetary and reputation wise) are the Brits.
@80 I do !
Sep 09th, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@95 Troneas - FACT: The UN classifies the Malvinas as: “Administered by Great Britain - Claimed by Argentina”. Only the EU claims the Malvinas are a “British overseas territory”. Fact All EU countries are members of the UN therefore the UN accepts that the falklands are an oversea's territory of the UK and administered by the UK.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 01:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0“FACT: The Malvinenses have no right to self determination as per UN resolutions.” Fact: not a single resolution removes the islanders right to self determination, if it did then it would be illegal an in breach of the UN Charter the CORE of the UN itself.
“FACT: The Malvinas are under a British military occupation.” Fact - The islands are defended by the British military at the islanders request - for it to be an occupation we would have to be there against the islanders wishes, but where not are we dumbass.
“Many countries say we have a valid claim and all that Argentina asks is for this claim be heard and taken into account to reach a fair solution to this situation” Yes alot of countries think you have a valid but do not realise that your claim is made up of inaccuracy and a made up historical claim to the islands which never ever belonged to you - Your own country admit to this very fact every day they continue to refuse to take it to the ICJ as the UK had previously invited them to do and argentina rejected the invitation. There is nothing to negotiate, and you are making a laughing stock out of yourselves thanking countries for their support when they never even mentioned or discussed the issue or even give their support. Your politicians are simply trying to paint a picture that they had. You claim your the innocent victim yet at the same time your oppressing the islanders with your act of war, i.e. economic blockade and reclaiming of the islands being added to your constitution.
Marcos, no idea really as people come and go on holiday trips/business trips and family relatives come her for holidays in our summer.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be fair to say as follows: We are a small place with One climate. Arg is a big country with several climates! Therfore in Argentina to find sun- warm beaches- snow for skiing or whatever you fancy for a holiday - a lot of it can be found INSIDE your country. Therefore probably only a small % will go to Chile/Brazil/MOntevideo/USA etc etc for holidays.
Here it is different - holiday destinaions are naturally limited- its called geography! Thus I would imagine yes a greater % of the population here, compared to Argentina,will go overseas for 3-4-5-6 weeks for a holiday - and mostly in our southern winter for logical reasons!
At a guess maybe during July-August 200 people may be away at any one time.
That is simple climatic geography and is nothing to do with politics and nobody should try and twist it- but plenty will!! I should add that some from here even holiday in Argentina!! You have some nice destinations even I agree to that!
A big thankyou to O'GaGa and Trousers, I was wondering how I was going to get self-determination into this long winded Arms Fair :-)
Sep 09th, 2011 - 02:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/self-determination/
Comment removed by the editor.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0At least we pay our debts!
Sep 09th, 2011 - 03:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0In full ;-)
@fantazum your post has been reported for spamming - you posted the same bullshit here http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/02/air-titan-boeing-767-takes-over-falklands-brize-norton-airbridge-contract#comment63353 and i replied at post 60 to put you in your place.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhh i assume you mean you have some secret argentine plan to invade the UK instead of the islands have you? Wonder what your going to do; get in your rowing boat row 8,000 miles, land on brighton beach and get arrested for flashing your pinky at a few of us brits lol.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0No coffeboy,you some big enemies a lot closer to you....
Argentina has to remain neutral,in this power struggle.
Anyway,you will probably be one of the many thousand to scape from uk....to save his/her life....
Argentina,had been created for that...we live to primitive people the weaponry,and all that usseless gear....
98 Islander1 “a lot of it can be found INSIDE your country”
Sep 09th, 2011 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes neighbor, including the island where you live.
So hundreds migrate as birds and spend the winter in the UK.
“I should add that some from here even holiday in Argentina”
James was doing that until he decided to get an Argentinean passport, can he holiday over there?
104 Marcos Alejandro
Sep 09th, 2011 - 05:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, Marcos. Spending 3 or 4 or 5 weeks away visiting relatives, doing training courses, attending medical appointments etc is not 'migrating for the winter'. Most people don't do it every year as it's too expensive. And unless you're retired, you don't get any more holiday than that anyway.
I know what you're saying, but it's rubbish, and none of your business anyway.
Anyway,you will probably be one of the many thousand to scape from uk....to save his/her life....
Sep 09th, 2011 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina,had been created for that..
Yes we know
lot of Germans went there after the war
FACT: The FI flag and the Union flag fly proudly over the Islands.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0FACT: There is nothing Argentina can do about it.
FACT: There is tons of oil offshore that will flow to market before 2015.
FACT: The OG is a US owned rig (there is US support then).
FACT: The Singaporean gvt are part funding the drilling (there is massive support from Asia, including China state IIs via their Direct Singapore investments).
FACT: Oil equipment arrives via Brazilian ports (there is the South American support.
FACT: Beef laughing all the way to the bank ££££££££££
FACT: Actions speak louder than words.
“FACT: The Malvinenses have no right to self determination as per UN resolutions.”
Sep 09th, 2011 - 07:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Incorrect Troneas. Every single UN Resolution specifically about the Falklands and all of those about Non Self Governing territories in general reference the right to self determination. Unless of course you can show us a UN Resolution which specifically limits that right for Falkland Islanders - which I assure you, you can't...
Self determination - you can't beat it.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina ever once got lucky again and managed to invade the Islands, Britain would never accept defeat and would ensure their eventual recapture by whatever means necessary.
@Malviner #103 -“No coffeboy,you some big enemies a lot closer to you....
Sep 09th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina has to remain neutral,in this power struggle.”
Really and just who exactly are these imaginary big enemies, surely not spain or any other EU nation, its not the US thats for sure, its not any north african nation as like argentina they do not have the military ability to attack us. And it sure as hell is not Russia, unless they want to start WW3, and since we won the 1st to world wars you can bet your arse we will win any 3rd world war. God you don't half talk alot of crap. Though country we have hostile relationship with is Argentina. Hell not even North Korea is hostile towards to the UK at this moment in time, and china has to big an interest in the UK to be hostile to us.
“Anyway,you will probably be one of the many thousand to scape from uk....to save his/her life....” Wrong i will be one of millions to take up arms and fight for my country - You see unlike you argentinians us brits are the bravest and must stubborn warriors you could met i.e. we do not back down and run away from a fight with out tails between our legs, which you argentines prefered to do in 1982.
“Argentina,had been created for that...we live to primitive people the weaponry,and all that usseless gear....” Your right their, you are primitative and weapons and military hardware is useless, so yeah i guess you were creating to be the worlds sole dumping ground for brain dead, useless, cowards, who just like to mouth off and then complain when they get a kicking as a result of their mouthing off - If you don't like getting a kicking then shut your faces and stop moaning about something that was never yours in first place.
J. A. ROBERT. BE SERIOUS. ZOOL.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 12:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know perfectly that none resolution from the u. n argues about the transference of sovereignty, i have always said it, in the same way that in none of them was applied the right to self determination for this cause, like it happened with others decolonization cases, in my survey i have information about it. all the resolutions only call both nations to resume the negotiations, what you say about the others negotiations is true, but the u. k. and the islanders never accepted any negotiation respecting the sovereignty. On the other hand, i suggest you to read the statement of chancellour timerman before the decolonization committee where he says that argentina has always been disposed to renew the safeguards and the guarantess that had been negotiated with the u. k. before 1982, anyway i recognize that our government makes mistakes respecting the relation with islanders, but you can't blame only our country, because both are not acting correctly, the c. f. k. administration doesn't do anything to try to build a better relation with the population from the islands, and the u. k. and the islanders keep on rejecting to talk about the sovereignty, remember cameron's words a few monthes ago, and you'll realise that both sides are making mistakes, this is very tipical in the polititians most them suffer a terrible myopia and only blame the others and victimize their selves.
“in the same way that in none of them was applied the right to self determination for this cause”
Sep 09th, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is not correct Axel, every resolution references the right to self determination, if not directly then by referring to resolutions which do. I think you need to read the resolutions again if you thing they don't refer to self determination either directly or indirectly.
What's more, self determination is a key principle of the UN Charter, and of the International Covenants on Civil and Political Right and also on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights all three of which both the UK and Argentina have ratified. There is no limit to the right to self determination under any circumstance.
Anyway, how is the UK supposed to negotiate with Argentina when Argentina has already determined the outcome of those negotiations in advance and enshrined the outcome in her constitution?
JA,
Sep 09th, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I wish you were right, but real life intervenes.
You say @ 112 that “there is no limit to the right to self determination under any circumstance.” . . .
Bhuddist monks in Tibet immolate themselves in the interests of Self Determination, and, throughout history and in these modern times, there have been many nations, races, ethnic groups held in thrall by more powerful neighbours.
*Raw power* is at least as important as the UN, the ICCPR/ESCR.
We are entering a time of dominance through economic means,
now that dominance by (nuclear) warfare is shown to be too dangerous.
Like any child's end-game on the Waddingtons Monopoly Board,
the end-game of raw power in a *globalised* world really does finish the game for all but the winning player.
The only game in town for the nations of this Continent is to create the circumstance through continental association (Unasur?) where
subservience comes with some retention of resources and a similar measure of self-respect.
Thanks Geoff. I'm completely aware of the real world. If the UK could not protect the Falklands they'd be Argentine by now and to hell with the Falkland Islanders' rights. Fortunately for them (and unfortunately for the Tibetans, and for a long time the South Sudanese etc) the UK can protect them and does respect their rights.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It doesn't change the fact that there is no legal limit to self determination and Argentina as much as the UK has an obligation to respect and uphold that right for the Falkland Islanders (whatever happens in the real world).
@81 My dear Geo,
Sep 09th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MAG 58, 7.62 x 51 caliber, more fire power, better range, less mobility?, requires 2 people to operate (if you need a feeder or tripod carrier?), for sure a good target for the enemy ( they will wanna kill you first no doubt) .... in terms of quality (like Zethe mentioned before) high quality weapon ..... anything else?? ( I do apologize , I'm not Infantry but it was standard issue for Artillery Units for perimeter defense and Anti Aircraft )
Oh Dear it appears that my postings are angering the brits so much they are having to make complaints to the editor to get them removed.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British never did like having to look in a mirror did they?
“if i were an army i wouldn't use MAG weapons.”
Sep 09th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then your troops would die horridly, They would not be able to hit the other troops WELL before the other force is able to shoot them. Then, with no MAG they would not have any firepower to bug out with and would have to just run out in open cover....And to add insult to injury they would not even be able to go into the prone position because of the ridiculously sized magazine on the AK-47.
Do your country a favor and don't sign up to the military any time soon.
@39 “WE NEED TO SEND ALL PIRATES HOME!!! BUT SINK THEIR PIRATE SHIPS.” Dream on. You might be capable of sinking a pedallo, but not much more. We have updated since '82. And any of out “Types” Brazil gets are not to UK specs.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“I DREAM OF LAS MALVINAS NIGHT AND DAY MY ONLY THOUGHTS ARE OF LAS MALVINAS. I WOULD LOVE TO DIE FOR LAS MALVINAS.” Glad to hear that. With a bit of luck, whilst dreaming, you'll walk in front of a bus. Does that mean you'll be paddling out to defend the Falklands from the pig-ignorant Argies? If you mean the opposite, you can be obliged. I doubt any Briton, British soldier of Falkland Islander would have any hesitation in killing any aggressive Argie. Feel free to travel to the Falklands in an aggressive manner. Your dreams can come true. You can be dead before you know it!
@52 See if you can understand some basic FACTS. For so long as Argentina maintains ITS claim to OUR territory in ITS constitution, there is nothing to discuss. The ONLY resolutions of the UN that are binding are those of the Security Council. Argentina IGNORED the last two SC resolutions relating to the Falkland Islands. The number of British troops on the Islands is irrelevant. It could be a thousand, it could be a million. They are defensive. The UK will never bow to Argentine blackmail. We DO NOT negotiate with TERRORISTS!
@59 Why don't you ask the FIG about their sewage and water supply facilities? I'm sure that they'd prefer Argies to use the sewage facilities rather than crapping in the post office!
@63 Nope. Sorry, dumbo. You have nothing that could cause the UK more than a temporary inconvenience. However, the UK could turn BA into radioactive rubble NOW!
@76 They showed him a picture of an Argentine “soldier”. He had a heart attack when he recognised a TERRORIST ANIMAL.
@90 Where's your problem? You ARE a third world dictatorship. The rest is pretence.
@94 Jajajajajajaja. Dimwit.
@95 Peaceful solution? Piss off. Got it?
@103 You gonna DIE, boy!
@117
Sep 09th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do your country a favor and don't sign up to the military any time soon..... :-))))
Is a matter of common sense , without fire power like the MAG or any machine gun, How do you pin down the front (aferramiento frontal) to flank the enemy (envolvimiento de derecha o izquierda)?? without it , is impossible... Military Tactis 101 my brothers
Do not change the fact that there is no legal limit to self-determination and Argentina and the UK has an obligation to respect and uphold this right for Falkland Islanders (whatever happens in the real world).
Sep 09th, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The principle of self-determination does not apply to the Question of the Falkland Islands.
The specificity of the Malvinas Islands Question lies in the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow his return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina. Is ruled out then the possibility of applying the principle of self as its exercise by the inhabitants of the islands would cause the “breach of national unity and territorial integrity” of Argentina. In this regard it should be noted that resolution 1514 (XV) “Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples” in the sixth paragraph states that “Any attempt aimed at partial or total disruption of national unity and territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations. ”In the Malvinas question the General Assembly of the United Nations included this doctrine - the principle of territorial integrity taking into account the interests and NOT the wishes of the people of the islands - in its resolution 2065 (XX) of 1965, ratified by later resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38/12) 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25). They all declare the existence of a sovereignty dispute and reaffirm the invitation made in resolution 2065 (XX) Parties (Argentina and the UK) ”to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee to find a peaceful solution the problem, taking due account of the provisions and objectives of the UN Charter and Resolution 1514 (XV), and the interests of the people of the Falkland Islands.
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Sep 09th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0let's assume,
i have 500 men with AK
you have 500 MAG ( may be 1000 soldiers)
come to make a combat at Bolivia ...Amazon Zone...Kongo Zone...
Himalaya mountains..... no road , no food pack....etc
you will have no chance to win and escape alive from there !!
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Sep 09th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as you know well that you can't win a war without Infantry Troops !
if you refer present US army ,
BUT
this Army based on mixed Air + Naval Forces ,it's Land Forces
has not been serious and powerfull as we saw at Vietnam !!
there are no need to have long range individual weapons to combat
for Infantry Troops of any Army Land Forces...!!
@122
Sep 09th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can bomb all you want, without troops on the ground , you can't control anything period !!
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Sep 09th, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your bombing all you want depend on the international treaties
and bargains...means that this would not be a war could be tricky !
if you imply Iraq + Afghanistan acts ...they were the result of US/China/Russia negotiation which started in 1992 up to 1999
to share notably Mid East oil sources ! (UK is nothing !!)
don't forget that US 's Iraq +Afghanistan operations are financed by
China indirectly in return of their increasing interests at Africa and
South America. !!
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a reminding ;
the control must not be let to the Military-Industrial Complex...
Dwight Eisenhover / 1958
now !!
Sep 09th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the economic crisis continues ??!!
i'll take some shares at the new negotiations !!
Here we go again:
Sep 09th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_1514
Article 1514 above, article 2:
2. All peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.
Note the right to self-determination is not qualified in anyway.
Article 6 deals with territorial integrity, Article 6 is a sub-ordinate clause to Clause 2, the purpose with which it was framed was to prevent dependent territories from being broken up by a colonial authority to limit self-determination rights.
Article 6 does not limit the right to self-determination, it is there to protect it. Argentina has perverted its meaning to try and limit the self-determination right.
Argentina and Spain tried to have a GA resolution altering the self-determination right to qualify it applying to cases where there wasn't a territorial dispute. It was thrown out unceremoniously. The UN GA clearly highlighted the importance of self-determination over territorial claims.
Argentine claims that Falklanders don't have the right to self-determination are legally flawed and have been rejected by the UN GA.
Bet they never taught that in an Argentine school.
Re UNGA resolutions. As well as not being binding in international law, they don't have retr0active application either.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 09:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'The specificity of the Malvinas Islands Question lies in the United Kingdom occupied the islands by force in 1833, expelled the original population and did not allow his return, thus violating the territorial integrity of Argentina.'
Raúl, no matter how many times you post lies they will never stop being lies.
Raul, you need to read Resolution 1514 again. It refers to Trust and Non Self Governing territories, and their territorial integrity should be disrupted in the process of decolonisation. Argentina is not a Trust or Non Self Governing Territory, so that declaration does not apply to Argentina.
Sep 09th, 2011 - 11:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are many recent examples of territorial integrity being disrupted in countries which are not undergoing decolonisation, where self determination has lead to a secession and a new country being formed. East Timor, Eritrea, South Sudan, Kosovo. All with the support of the UN, all in accordance with international law.
Self determination cannot be limited in any way. It trumps territorial claims, whether you like it or not.
www.lanacion.com.ar/1404712-disparos-de-un-buque-britanico-en-Malvinas
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I dont see any reason for shooting
thats the way you protect the fish?? Poor of them.....
look up it seems a satellite is going to get you and is not argentine .....express.co.uk if the wind dont get you a satellite might
I see that Rolly is still having a problem, here - try this Rolly -
Sep 10th, 2011 - 04:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/self-determination/
I also see that, with little news about, Argentina's Defence Minister has had to resort to 'making it up' ! -
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/self-determination/
He'll be complaining about a bit of rough shooting next :-)
“thats the way you protect the fish??”
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Malen, that's how you practice for invasions by neighbouring countries. It's called being prepared. Something you Argies don't seem to know much about...
Prepared for what if Arg is not provocating you in any way.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only claiming under the international law.
This region, southamerica, is a region of peace and with no conflicts since democracy came along to all of our countries, leave us in peace.
1982 Malen. Once bitten, twice shy. We won't allow the same mistake again. And whatever Argentina says, we don't believe them.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for SA being a region of peace. Don't delude yourself. Brazil is beefing up it's capabilities....
Lets see roberta
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arg is not making militar exercises nor provocations of any kind. We, argentines have learned the lesson of the war, many people died here. We have put down a militar government and choosen democracy.
Your restaurants seem to be very well provided, you are overfishing and selling licenses as you like, etc.
Brasil is protecting its resources, every country needs a defense of its own interests, but I havent seen Brasil in war, since I dont know how many many many years.
The region doesnt need this kind of foreign countries playing with their arms here.
The claim of Arg is under international law. All has to be said there.
Very nice, malen. But we still don't trust you.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0lf you had the military capability & the British left, you would invade us again.
This is not your land & even though it is proved to you that it is not, you still want our lslands.
Of course now that there is oil here, you want them all the more.
That's it my dear, we don't trust you.
We dont trust you either and less doing this kind of things, and were are not doing any provocation.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0And Isolde go to school and learn more than to say the isles are mine...dont they teach sth more there??
Sorry, but have we attacked or threatened you militarily Malen? No.We are perfectly entitled to defend our territory - under international law - just like any other country.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, and don't talk about overfishing when you are guilty of that yourselves.
You are not a country
Sep 10th, 2011 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0a bot a territory in dispute occupied by britain claimed by argentina
It's my understanding that Argentina exercises no real and effective constraint on overfishing because there are no reliable daily landing records. Thus, the only way they are aware of it is by the retrospective, year-on-year decline of the stocks - this is an indicator of severe overfishing; but insufficient is being done to reverse the trend.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0This impacts on stocks of species of roundfish, flatfish, sharks & rays, and cephalopods across the South Atlantic. Thus, Falkland Island managed stocks are being severely depleted by activities beyond their control.
I don't believe this to be a machaevelian strategy of resource depletion/starvation of the perceived 'enemy', but even if it is not 'policy' it is certainly 'practice''.
[I'm not making a partisan point here - the EU is also bad at stock management because they prefer 'political' rather than scientific management control.]
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Sep 10th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, a military exercise is just an exercise, is not a provocation of any kind. It would be a whole different story if they do it close to our border or close to an existing patrol ship or something like that. If we are not allowed to shoot once in a while, what are we suppose to do? that's our profession .... Te doy un dato, in ”82 we were sent to guard the border with Chile in the positions made in '78, 23 days of shooting 105 mm all day long, I remember my ears bleeding because of the intense exercise. Did the Chilean government complain ? Of course not, we were in our territory. Can anybody take it as a threat? Of course. Not only it was a field exercise , we were there to show our presence ..... just in case. The Brits in this case are doing exactly the same thing. Just my humble opinion
They are not a country malen. They are a self governing British Overseas territory and they can defend themselves as they wish. If Argentina indeed only wishes for peace in that area, then they have nothing to fear from the Military of the Falkland Islands, be it the FIDF, RAF, RN or Army. Otherwise, they can face British steel once again.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Artillero
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its a threat because the captain said they were doing that to show what they can do to people that are not welcome or invited.
I (me myself) dont welcome this people either in that case i have to make some shoots to show them they are not welcome??
We protest and go to the ONU
So what if the Falklands are not a “country”. The UK is responsible for their defence. International law. The UK would be stupid not to be prepared, otherwise you Argies might try another 1982.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, is just a say .... not big deal. I would of said, if you come to my house uninvited I will blow you head off .... that is why I am not in politics.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who is wanting to visit there ??
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont see anyone arround??
The isles shouldnt be a militar training center, they can do it in Afghanistán Libya Iraq
They are in possession of those Islands and quite frankly they can do whatever they want ....
Sep 10th, 2011 - 01:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who is wanting to visit there ??..... I will be going soon to visit and pay respect to the fallen
Artillero: Just be glad it wasnt geo commanding in 82, what a mess that would have been!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No they cant do whatever they want thats not true
Sep 10th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They ve got the isles by force in 1833 and that didnt mean they have got the sovereignity ..the isles continue under dispute
And artillero who is wanting to visit there... Im talking militarly nobodies troops are trying to get there
And they should train their troops on their north atalntic sea, not even in afghanistán libya or irak
this is no longer a militar problem
@147 jajajajaja!!!! He is not Argentine first of all .... and I doubt that he would of done better than our General at that time. what a disaster!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@148 Malen , let's be practical for a moment. The Brits claim the Islands since the Romans in 2000 BC, I bet you they say that Marc Anthony annexed the Islands to Britania ....lol! (Brits, don't attack, it was a joke), back to subject. In 1833 , what was going on with us, civil war, broke after the war of Independence and a war with Enngland for the Islands was not a good idea, do you follow me? so if after 1833. 1843, 1853 or 1863 we didn't anything to get them back (war wise) ..... LET THEM GO! !!! Obviously back then were not dying for and now ? why? because they found oil?? and for the record I did not agree with the conflict of '82 and yes fighting and dying for the country is an honor and yes flexing the muscles against the Brits was an honor too ..... but we faced reality and lost , against a military super power with much better toys than ours ... does it make any sense what am I saying?
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Correction: “ Obviously back then were not worth to die for and now why?”
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@148 when you say visit, visit=tourism is not the same visit=invading correct?
The Brits train in Malvinas like the US Navy trains landings in Vieques, Puerto Rico , same thing
From the sound of it we need Mad'un in the army and Art in politics :-)
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much more fun !!
when I say visit I say invasion and when I say people I say troops
Sep 10th, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Join the british army artillero fight with superpowers and do the colonization of poor countries like libya iraq and afghanistán
and all togethers go to hell
and if you need a secretary to google you from what force was el pocho, you are a nabo importante in fact
Malen, why the insult? One, I don't need your advise, Two I knew that Peron was an Infantry Officer Three I already joined the US Army for 9 years and Four , what the hell is your problem???????? and BTW I don't google shit thats why I make mistakes !!!!!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pocho? Peron Force? Army and is called Branch you idiot!!
@152 :-))
Sep 10th, 2011 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From your own medicine
Sep 10th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read your comments 37 y 48
Did Argentine trade visas for holocuast??
Im not insulting you no no no dont loose saliva or letters with people like you
@116 - Not angery at all fanstasyboy, but like the rest of us, spamming across articles from one to the other with same post is in breach of the site rules. And you like us must follow the rules.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read the Note section above the comments section and it makes it clear spamming will not be tolerated, and in case you are one of the 50% of argentines that did no complete primary school (true figure as 2001 census) then heres a link that explains what spamming is - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_%28electronic%29 hope your computers narrator is working properly no doubt you use it alot when trying to read words on the net lol.
Thanks a lot CHINA !! waht a great partner you have Argentineans !!!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China will be the first economy in just 2 more years, and you have them on your side,
Clock is ticking English ...
2 more years and you are done.
Hipolyte, I guess that's why China decided to set up their offshore Yuan trading hub in Bu.. Bu.. Bue... Bue... Buen... London
Sep 10th, 2011 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://t.co/vFokw5o
146.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The best time to visit the islands is from Nov to the end Feb.
During those months the Battle fields such as Longdon are easier to reach.
It is best that you try and get a native Falkland Islander as a driver as they know much much more.
Some Islanders are quite reasonable with their prices. Others as else where in the world will charge a small fortune.
122 geo
Sep 10th, 2011 - 07:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you refer present US army ,
BUT
this Army based on mixed Air + Naval Forces ,it's Land Forces
has not been serious and powerful as we saw at Vietnam
are you now saying that Argentina is not scared of the Americans and you are willing to take them on as well if they don’t support you, [interesting]
129 malen
[a satellite is going to get you ]
I see you also believe in UFOs then,
132 malen
what if Arg is not provocation you in any way]]
was that small unarmed peaceful, little innocent island provocating you in any way,??
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Once again the two desperadoes, are on the trail again,
They don’t listen, because they don’t know how to,
They know not the truth they speak of,
But complain about others, that they themselves do,
But it matters not, they probably wont have a country left, by the time their government has destroyed it, over their silly obsession with things that do not belong to them,
Just a thought ..,
J. A. ROBERT.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I already answered you that in others oportunities. Our constitution can say whatever about the claim for the malvinas, however, if both countries are called to negotiate, it means that both will have to cede in some aspects of their pretentions, ¿do you know what a negotiation is?, it's obvious that the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty notwithstanding the negotiations are resumed, but it's not imposible to find a fair solution for the three parts of the conflict, however that's some thing that the u. k. and the islanders dont want, they only want seld determination for the population from the islands, and have a good relation with argentina, that only benefits their side, some say you will have to understand that the main and true conflict that we have with the u. k., is for the sovereignty of the malvinas, all the rest is not so relevant, we can have maybe a good trade relation in the future, or per haps there will be direct flies etc etc etc, but if the main problem (sovereignty) is not solved, we are going to keep on having more problems, i hope that some day the three parts of the conflict leave the intransigence, and the myopia behind, and discuss a fair solution for all the parts, as long as it doesen't happen, we will have more problems, you dont have to be so smart to realise of it.
@156
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well Malen, I'm sorry if you can't have a debate without insulting not only shows that you are uneducated but a product K, keep having kids so the Government can support you or get paid to vote for somebody or join the “piquete” instead of working ...... que lastima que mi Pais tenga personas como vos and you are right, I'm not gonna waste any bytes on you señorita. Viva la Patria !!! at least I served mine for many years.
@162Axel,
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are you willing to cede?
@156malen,
Calm down, miss, or you'll burst a blood vessel.
lt would have been nice if we could have been friends, but it seems the divide is now too deep.
Surely you have better things to do with your time than yearn for something that was never yours & never will be?
Peace.
“@162Axel,
Sep 11th, 2011 - 04:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0What are you willing to cede?”
Your Self Determination.
TWIMC
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some hard facts about the Malvinas population extracted from the 2006 Census:
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/documents/Census%20Report%202006.pdf
Table 1 – Population as at Census:
Year 2006 = 2955 persons ##
## …This figure includes persons present in the Falkland Islands in connection with the military garrison… (477 persons)
Table 11 - Population by country of birth:
Falkland Islands ……1339 persons
Notes: “….. The fact of being born in the Falkland Islands does not necessarily mean that the individual will automatically benefit from Falkland Islands status……….”
The above tells us that:
1) There are less than 1339 British squatters born in occupied Malvinas.
2) The British military and military related personnel present at the Islands exceeds, by far, those 1339 foreign born British squatters.
3) Mr. Argüello is telling the truth.
It's a bit more complicated that that Axel. Your president swears to uphold your constitution, it's not a choice. It is a duty for her. That means the only constitutional outcome acceptable to Argentina is a simple transfer of sovereignty to Argentina. I have asked you before, yet you never get around to answering, how could the UK possibly negotiate with Argentina when Argentina has already determined the outcome of those negotiations And yet you ask me if I know what a negotiation is!!
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination is not just what the UK “wants” for the Falkland Islanders. Both the UK AND Argentina are obliged under the UN Charter, the ICCPR and ICESCR, not to mention a number of UN resolutions to protect the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination. Self determination is not optional.
What's more, self determination does not bar a solution. If Argentina makes an offer the Falkland Islanders accept, they will be exercising their self determination.
The ball is well and truly in Argentina's court and has been for the best part of three decades.
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Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0are you still living there ??
you didn't like combat areas..ok!..come to Borneo jungles !!
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who scare of Americans !
they are all Disneyland citizens...not USA citizens !
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distractioner Es Ding at work ... like J.Argüello !!
who supported from Brits Media,You Tubes ...!!
166 Think
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still obsessed with where people were born, aren't you.
The Falklands population is a very fluid thing, in common with many island societies. That's a good thing; there would be something very unhealthy about a small society where no-one came in or out and everyone ended up marrying their cousins.
There a lots of people with Falkland Island Status or permanent residence permits who are just as much Falkland Islanders as people whose families have been here for eight generations.
There are also lots of people born in the Falkland Islands and living overseas who will return one day.
''Mr. Argüello is telling the truth.'' ????
He's telling his version of it to brainwashed turnips who think that way already. And since it's none of his business anyway, he can say what he likes.
He'd be better off asking himself why we feel the need for this kind of protection. He's criticising us for something that is a direct consequence of his governments actions and policies.
TWIMC
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0To be a “Falkland Islander” or having “Falkland Islands Status” is neither a Citizenship, a Nationality, an Ethnicity nor anything of the kind……………..
Even the British Squatters call it no more than a “Status”
A “Status” which the local British Squatter Administration of Malvinas grants to whom it sees fit.
In principle, they could decide tomorrow to grant Falkland Islands “Status” to all 7000 friendly residents of Pocklington, England, effectively tripling the population of Malvinas by the stroke of a pen………….
British squatters in Malvinas are nothing more than that; consenting British squatters aiding the UK in the exploitation and plundering of the natural and mineral resources of South America.
And South America is not tolerating it much longer.
Newsflash El Thicko and his acolytes. the rest of South America laughs behind your backs whilst mouthing sympathetic platitudes. They say one thing in public but nothing more than symbolic gestures in return, whilst extracting major concessions from Argentina.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual, all we get from our resident racist twit is silly name calling from a bunch of real squatters sitting in stolen land.
Think is a 1st generation Argentine squatter & he has the hide to call Falklanders squatters.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0We will exploit & “plunder”our territory as much as we like Herr Think & it's got sod all to do with you, your brainwashed mates or your silly country. So tolerate what you like, we don't care.
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Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hahahahaha!!!!!!
Can almost see you crying your little eyes out and stamping your foot.
Arrrrr Diddums.
No Think, belonger status is something the Falkland Islands Government has decided to implement. Not all BOTs have belonger status. It's something for them to decide and implement if THEY want to. Nothing to do with the UK.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arguello is wrong (and that's being generous, some might say he's telling outright porkies), just like when he says all “Argentine” settlers were expelled in 1833...
Cher Isolde and Monty96………
Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love your frankness……..
You are a breathe of fresh air in here, surrounded by “Geo’s” Turkish madness, Artillero601 Argentinean treachery, Scottish “Justin(hishead)kuntz’s” small convenient Scottish lies, “Be serious” illiterate turnipidity and “J. A. Roberts” outright English porkies…..
Anyhow,… you say you don’t care……
But you should care….
And you will care….
So; take care….
El Think
Does not much matter about figures - ONE is enough :-)
Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And don't that make you feel GOOOOOD ;-)
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Sep 11th, 2011 - 01:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Arrr don't worry you supercilious tosser, Isolde and Monty, those hardy Islanders still love you.
As for me you remain one cupid stunt.
Now stick your dummy back in.
I like you too Mr. Hoyt.....................
Sep 11th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0178
Sep 11th, 2011 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's better.
Now repeat the following 100 times :-
“The Falkland Islanders have the right to self determination”
There, now you can die content.
Chuckle chuckle™
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One less soldier to Malvinas…………….
”Argentina's protests – and the country's trade links to Britain – put pressure on William's commanders to re-consider deploying him to the Falklands ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8754483/Prince-Williams-mission-to-the-Falkands-is-in-jeopardy.html
Think - Table 13 of the census report Population by Citizenship tell us their are 2698 Brithish citizens in the islands, and 29 From British overseas territory all register as falkland islands residents. The islanders choose to remain british citizens, as per their right to do so “self determination”. Also it does not matter how many were born their as some will have left to live in the UK whilst others will have left the UK our other commonwealth countries to live in the Falklands, its perfectly normall course of immigration.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So the fact is they is actually 2727 british falkland islanders living there, the other 273 are from various countries who have choosen to live in the islands and have become citizens there bringing the total non military population to 3000.
So its 3000 islanders Think not 1339 - You can not ignore peoples rights to emigrate and move to the islands and become citizens their, just becuase it suits your arguments Think.
In otherwords Think you do not have to be born in the islands to live there, you can imigrate there and become and islander just like a lot of people have over the last 6 decades since the the end of ww2, hence the high number of people there born in the UK. But it doesn't change the fact that some of the islanders are the ancesters of the first islanders to have settled there. My own ancesters are vikings invaders but does that make me a non UK citizen? No it doesnt, so why would it make british citizens that moved the the islands non island citizens? Simple answer is it does not.
So your wrong think its 3000 civilians resident in the islands with 2727 of those with british citizenship, though that number in more recent years is closer to 3000 itself and will no doubt rapidly increase when all those move to the the islands to work in the islands new oil industry.
180
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 02009
UK Imports from Argentina £609 million
UK Exports to Argentina £235 million
So tell me who benefits most from this trade imbalance?
@175
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinean treachery ?????? do you the meaning of the word Think or you are talking out of you ass as usual ? Be careful with your answer .... :-))
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Sep 11th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are on record acccepting to be a General under British Isolde......
No use denying it............
Traitor ....
:-)
jajajajajaja !!!
Sep 11th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My uncle was a General, his cousin was a General, my great grandfather was a General and me what?
Think, my brother .... and you believe that? Is called a joke or chiste in Spanish ..... :-))) and Peace !!
It is always interesting to understand why a country like Argentina, has an obsession
Sep 11th, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of a country that they clearly do not want, they care nothing about the Falklands, it is but a wind swept desolate islands , every day you hear words like [pirates] [immigrants] and [squatters]
Even [prisoners][hostages] imperialist ]
Why then do a great big country like Argentina worry so much about this island,
The only thing that comes to mind is [oil] [gas] this means greed, nothing else, nothing more,
But having said that, they think the more they push, the more upset they cause, the better it will be for her cause, [perhaps]
But the only fly in the ointment is, what will the British do, , if they retaliate it gives the impression the islands are British, and they will defend them,
But what if the British do nothing, [, they blockade], the brits do nothing, they insult and abuse, the brits do nothing, they complain to everyone and any one, till they drive the listeners to suicide,
And the brits do nothing, they even try to stop our prince William from going down their, and the brits do nothing, [we don’t want to upset the apple cart]
We don’t want to create a bigger problem,[what message is this sending out, to Argentina]
Are the British really trying their best to avoid trouble, that might expose our weakness?
Or are the British just biding their time, do we have something up our sleeves,
Only time will tell,
So from this point of view, all I can say is, keep on pushing, , the more you push, the sooner we will find out exactly what the British will do,????
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Mmm, a young man serving his country as a Search and Rescue pilot. And Argentina whines like a bunch of girls.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 07:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone care to remind them of the rescues performed from the islands.
J. A. ROBERT. ISOLDE. ZETHE. BRITON.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0J. A. ROBERT: If you ask me, ¿how can the u. k. to negotiate with argentina, if the only one outcome for us, is a transference of sovereignty?, then i can ask you too, ¿how can argentina to negotiate with the u. k., if that country conditions the negotiations for the sovereignty, to the acceptation of the islanders, on the other hand, none resolution never argued that the u. k. must transfer the sovereignty to my country, in the same way that in none of them was invoked the right to self determination, like it happened with others cases of decolonization, where self determination was expressed, i said it one million times, if both nations are called to negotiate, none of the parts must condition the negotiations, beside, what i heard from all the presidents, including c. f. k., is that the u. k. must respect the resolutions and negotiate a peacefull solution, negotiation is not submition, both will have to cede in some aspects of their pretentions, of course the question is very complicated, but it's not imposible that with the passage of time, we can arrive finaly to a fair solution, obviously no body is going to be totaly happy with that solution, nor no one is going to be completly satisfied, but unless we will have turn the page, and start a new relation.
ISOLDE. ZETHE: If you ask me, ¿what can we cede?, i can tell you that it's obvious that notwithstanding the negotiations are resumed, the islands wont never be only under argentine sovereignty, because none resolution never affirmed it, but it's not imposible to find a fair solution for the three parts of the conflict.
BRITON: We all know that the u. k. wont do anything, dont victimize your country, because the u. k. is the nation that is rejecting or conditioning the negotiations, not our's, but, as long as it happens, dont complain if we have more problems, because the solution to the conflict doesen't depend only on argentina.
Axel,
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hypothetical question.
Suppose 70 years ago, an unpopular Government in the UK decided to revive a claim to Port Desire, constructing an illogical argument based on a perversion of history. Through its education system it indoctrinated generations to believe in this claim.
Would Argentina negotiate over Puerto Deseado and be expected to make concessions to the UK?
Hypothetically.
@189 JustinKuntz,
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Extremely well thought out, Justin. Lets hear an answer from Think, Marcos & Malena. lf they can.
@188 Axel,
You still haven't answered me, Axel.
What are you willing to cede?
You want us to cede(presumably our independence), so what will you give us in return?
Now don't blather, man. No talk of“respecting”someones position or any of that rubbish, just a straight answer.
What are you willing to cede?
@184 Think,
l don't think that you are so stupid that you couldn't see that it was all a bit of fun. l have no authority to offer a generalship to anyone.
Leave Artillero601 out of this. He is one of the few Argentines who doesn't offer personal insults(unlike your good self mein herr).
lt was a joke & you know that. l think l also offered a gardener's position to NicoDin(where is he?) & a farmer or hunter's job to you because you had the horses & dogs already. Lighten up, Think.
@190
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I, you are a true friend but I believe Think was joking, I truly want to believe that .... was he joking ??? :-)))))
Isolde and Artillero....................
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Try to re-read my post 184...................
Can you see the little smiley at the end...............?
Anyhow, at 1,52 m. and 47 kgs., it wouldn´t be so hard to “serve” under British Isolde........
:-)
Just for Artillero
Axel, I think you are under a misconception over the conditions in the Falkland,
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As simple as this might sound its actually the truth,
Argentina started this problem and Argentina can solve this problem over night,[yes] over night all she has to do is the following,
We Argentina give up our claim and recognise the rights of the Falklands to live in peace and Argentina will except her independence, and will recognise this fact in international law,
[See its that simple isn’t it]
But in fact, you are as far apart as the galaxy is,
188 axel arg
We all know that the u. k. won’t do anything, don’t victimize your country, because the u. k. is the nation that is rejecting or conditioning the negotiations////p/s, I do not victimise my own country, only their failings to stop this atrocity going on,..
188 axel arg
if both nations are called to negotiate, none of the parts must condition the negotiations, beside///
again, the uk government is not putting any conditions on any agreement, this is your fallacy
all the uk has said, that it will negotiate with the consent, of, and with, the islanders, in other words all 3 of you sit and talk,[Argentina refuses]you put this in your constitution so that it is impossible to talk,
an example is to invite your mate for a pint, if he don’t drink it, he is not your mate—he call to drink—you have lock the door,-he says open the door so I can drink, you ignore him-and again state no drink no friendship, but you door is locked and bolted, and you refuse to open it, yet you still insist he drinks the beer,
ITS IMPOSSIBLE, unless you unlock the door,[do you under stand this]
Remove from your constitution the obstacles over the Falklands,, then come back ant talk,
Savvy,,,,,,,
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Axel, self determination is not some condition the UK makes up to suit itself. It is international law. The UK is obliged to respect that right. So is Argentina.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps you should have another look at the resolutions. Every single one of them references the right to self determination either directly or indirectly. On top of that self determination is a key principle of international law under the UN Charter the UN Charter, ICCPR and ICESCR all three of which Argentina has ratified. And, all the UN resolutions have asked is that the UK and Argentina settle their dispute. Self determination for the Falkland Islanders is not affected or limited by that, and as I pointed out earlier a solution and Falkland Islander self determination are not mutually exclusive. It is not a question of whether it is fair or not.
@192 you are guessing badly Think .... :-))
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see out civil servants in the FCO need to get some damn backbone!
Sep 12th, 2011 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/a-mission-in-need-of-rescue/
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/a-mission-in-need-of-rescue/
I have a serious proposition to the forum members, who wants to hear it?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 12:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@192 - “Anyhow, at 1,52 m. and 47 kgs., it wouldn´t be so hard to “serve” under British Isolde........”
Sep 12th, 2011 - 12:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus think is that how tall you are and all you way? If it is then myself being at 88.5kg and 1.89 metre kind of shows just how small and maunurished you are, though i hear inflation is sending the cost of food rocketing over there lol
Blimey our infantry carry around 63.5Kg on average when on patrol - though i doubt anyone them would offer you a piggy back ;)
@198 :-))
Sep 12th, 2011 - 12:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Napoleon was what? 1, 40 cm .... and he almost conquered Europe??
He was an Artillery Officer by the way ..... just in case people would like to know :-))))))
@199
Sep 12th, 2011 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, but he didn't win either - lol ;-)))))
(195) Artillero
Sep 12th, 2011 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0No guess…….
Information provided by the “primary source” herself…..
She didn’t reveal her age though….:-)
@201Think,
Sep 12th, 2011 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0l said 1,58 m & 52kg, Cher Think. You must have someone else in mind.
You tell me your age & l'll tell you mine.
@199 Artillero601,
When Napoleon was coming back from his campaigns, he used to send a messenger by fast horse to Josephine, saying, “l am returning, do not wash yourself”.
Sexy little beast, wasn't he?
Perhaps, before GPS, he needed a strong pheromone trail to help him find his way home ;-)
Sep 12th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@202
Sep 12th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a beast ! I love it !!
@201
I don't really know what you are talking about .... :-)
202 lsolde-- I dont know about him being a sexy litle beast I think he was telling her to wash herself because of all the men she had and he hoped not to catch a nasty surprise.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well her washing clearly didn't dot he trick since he had hoemorrhoids during the battle of waterloo, one must wonder what she was putting up his behind lol.;-)
Sep 12th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for the record
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“There are several theories about the cause, including inadequate intake of fiber, prolonged sitting on the toilet, and chronic straining to have a bowel movement .....”
I refused to believe that “Napo” was one of those .... if true, the policy ”Don't ask Don't tell comes from way back?????? :-))
The wallpaper did for him big time
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(202) Isolde
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you said 1,58 m & 52kg, Cher Isolde.............
We have nearly the same BMI.
I just wanted to know if you were paying attention……
You were :-)
Encima piola?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0201 Think
Sep 12th, 2011 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can come across as being a bit pervy sometimes.
While our President CFK is destroying the National Defense and Security, attacking and tearing apart the Institutions that shaped our Country, the British are burying our Heroes with highest honors. This is why, we are officially a Banana Republic. Do I have to say more?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://youtu.be/47qmXJCqXag
@212 Very moving gesture, your friends never learned how to treat our soldiers with dignity and respect.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.presidencia.gov.ar/discursos/6242-acto-por-el-dia-del-veterano-y-por-el-caido-en-la-guerra-de-malvinas-discurso-de-la-presidenta-de-la-nacion
The same one that in the 25 de Mayo Act, talked about her deceased husband instead of talking about founding Fathers?? .... what a joke!
Sep 12th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0214 Changing the subject cowboy?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nestor lift our country from an economic depression, Cristina has the right to remember her beloved husband and former president of Argentina. Should she remember drunk Galtieri for his achievements instead or Videla?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEnnv_l-dUc
Not really, is totally irrelevant. As far as Security in the country is close to none, Transparency in the Judicial system , non existent, cooking the books to “hide” inflation numbers, way too obvious , self enrichment of Cristina's cabinet, you can't hide it ...... should I continue?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0216 You have a grudge against them not matter what I say or they do, but don't worry you are free to express your opinion.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Brits, was slavery abolished in Britain?
“24 men free after 'slavery' raid”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14873537
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14873537
Hold on, I'm not done yet
Sep 12th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1405557-dardos-y-criticas-entre-diputados-por-la-citacion-a-schoklender
Mango de chorros, hijos de P**** que lo unico que hacen es enjuiciar Generales de 90 años !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(211) Monty96
Sep 12th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pervy…........................................................... me?
Don’t be such a prude!
Relax and learn from your Island mate, Isolde :-)
JUSTIN KUNTZ. ISOLDE. J. A. ROBERT. BRITON. ARTILLERO.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JUSTIN: I can't believe that you make that analysis, it's one the most stupid and insignificant i ever read, there is nothing you can claim on puerto deseado, because the u. k. never exercised it's sovereignty there, our claim for the islands is totally diferent, i wont repeat all the arguments again, read my survey one more time.
J. A.: Our claim is based also in territorial integrity, beside if self determination is the paramount, and there is not any limit to aply it, then why the members from the m. l. c complain before the decolonization committee because that right is not invoked for them in the resolutions, i read planty of resolutions that reffer to diferent colonial situations, and it was invoked for those, but it never happened with this cause, that's why i have serious doubts about the aplication of that right for the islanders.
ISOLDE: I already said what my country would cede, maybe you didn't understand me, it's obvious that the islands wont be only under argentine sovereignty notwithstanding the negotiations are resumed, surelly we will have to share it with the u. k., the fact of not exercising only our sovereignty, that's something that we will have to cede.
BRITON: our constitution can say whatever about our claim, if both nations are called to resume the negotaitions both must do it, and cede in some aspects their pretentions, the u. k. can't condition the negotiations to the will of the islanders, because the solution to the conflict can't depend only on their wishes, it's not imposible to find a fair solution for the three parts.
ARTILLERO: Those generals who are being judged, are denounced for terrorisem of state, nor the guerrilla, nor the junta had right to kill anyone, if they commited genocided, they must be judged, no matter if they are 90 or 100 years old.
#190 Isolde, you were correct they avoided answering. Even a hypothetical.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0axel arg, I agree your comments 100 %, do not spend energy responding to people who is almost ignorant.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They don´t ready books. they just use google.
By the way, i read your study of British and Argentinean pretension on the Islands, congratulations, your work is clear as crystal.
Tsk, tsk, I went through it and pointed out several problems.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have studied the history, rather than parroting a Government propaganda pamphlet.
Marcos #217:
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brits, was slavery abolished in Britain?
“24 men free after 'slavery' raid”
Yes, you know it was. That's why the raid was to catch slave owners operating illegally on British soil.
The slavers are almost exclusively hard men, Russian mafia, etc, from Eastern Europe operating slaves for sex.
The 'traveller' slavers are most likely to have been Eastern European Roma; they are very unlikely to be travellers from the Republic of Ireland, the largest group of travellers in the UK.
Both groups, and all EU others have virtual free right to roam across the EU member states; they show income so they cannot be easily debarred - remember the Sarkosy problem with his Roma in Paris?
Very few UK travellers are UK nationals, though the number of UK nationals living in static caravans has increased since the financial crisis.
@ 224 Geoff that happens in Argentina too, sexual slavery.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 220 You should read history books again and learn who started the “dirty” war.
Firmenich didn't have the right to kill anyone, but he's enjoying his life in Europe. Don't think that because you feel like you're winning this one you're actually winning. Those crimes are still crimes, and this government had the chance to do the right thing, but chose to do what is more convenient for their own interests. So no, you're not safe, no matter where you hide, one day you'll have to pay, you, or your sons, or your grandsons, etc etc. Do you believe that with this type of government corrupt to the core you really have a chance to get even a little piece of the falklands? do you think that the world is not aware of the kind of politicians that we have? do you really believe that someone will force the falklanders to accept what you are offering them? hahaha Hello!!!
@Axel
Sep 13th, 2011 - 06:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say the UK needs to negotiate, well they can not without the islanders being involved in the negotiations (after all its their lifes and land we are talking about here) but argentina refuse to talk to the islanders, therefore making negotations impossible due to Argentinas refusal.
Not only that Argentina has made it clear they will settle for nothing less than outright sovereignty of the islands, they have therefore decided that is to be the only possible outcome of any such negotations, well am sorry but that makes any such negotations competely un-negotiable and therefore there is no point in negoatiating something with argentina when they are not willing to settle for anything less.
But at the end of the day until the day argentina recongnises the islanders rights under the UN Charter (ratified by argentina) to determine their own future and not have it forced upon them by Argentina or the UK (they are only a UK territory as the islanders choose to be so), then there will never be any soveriengty negotiations.
Axel, in Resolution 1514 only Trust and Non Self Governing territories are referred to. The territorial integrity of a Trust or Non Self Governing territory in its process of decolonisation cannot be disrupted, that's all. Oh and Argentina is not a Trust or Non Self Governing territory, so UN Res 1514 does not apply. Still, this does not change the fact that self determination is paramount. It trumps territorial claims.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 09:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is a body of ICJ case law which backs this up - East Timor, Western Sahara, Kosovo. Complaints in front of the Decolonisation Committee do not constitution international law. The UN Charter, the ICCPR and ICESCR and ICJ cases do constitute international law. And under the Charter, the two Conventions self determination is a key principle and this has been confirmed by the ICJ in several occasions.
If territorial integrity limits self determination then why was the breakaway by Eritrea from Ethiopia not stopped by the UN? Why was South Sudan not stopped?
The fact is self determination cannot be limited.
@220Axel,
Sep 13th, 2011 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0So in reality, you will not cede anything at all & in fact think that our land is yours & we will have to put up with shared sovereignty.
And no doubt think you are doing us a favour in only wanting half-control!
Answer in one word: NO.
Your country has NO RIGHTS in OUR land at all. ls that clear to you?
Just in case you do not understand me, l will say it again, NO.
@221JustinKuntz,
lt's hard to get an honest reply, sometimes. Axel @ Think are a great ones for muddying the waters.
@209Think,
What you mean to say, Cher Think, was can l remember the measurements l gave you if l was lying?
I was waiting for Axel to answer exactly what his country is willing to “cede”. Lmao.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“We are willing to cede half the soveriginity we don't currently have to cede”.
In otherwords isolde. You'll only loose half your self determination, if that's at all possible.
When axel says as he has many times “all partys must give in to it's pretensions” he infact means “you're islands are belong to us”.
(228) Cher Isolde
Sep 13th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No…. I mean to say that you are so comfy and pleased about your body that you could not resist to correct my “mistake”……
230
Sep 13th, 2011 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How do you know that?
You really are full of --it.
Careful though - All true Brits despise your hypocrisy, some RG's can't stand you and soome Falkland Islanders think you are a bit of an oddity - an Argentine that pretends to think.
An indoctrinated people know not what they say, only what they are told to say,
Sep 13th, 2011 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is why they do not reply to your questions, but reply with another,
then they condemn, insult, and change the subject, the replies are almost the same, the consistency is unique , only they are in the right, we know nothing, they own everything, then other moles tell them what to say, who to say it to, and when, its hard they use-
Silence this is their answer to anything unanswerable,
For they honestly believe that they and only they, run this world, we are all just immigrants, and pirates .lol
JUSTINKUNTZ. ZETHE. ISOLDE. BRITON. TEABOY2. J. A. ROBERT.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JUSTIN: I answered youe hypothetical question, find ti in my comment 220.
ZETHE, ISOLDE, BRITON, TEABOUY2 and J. A. ROBERT: I answered you question and said what my country should cede, anyway maybe what i said is absurd and unpracticable, i am not professor of international right, i only give an opinion after having investigated, i am not adoctrinated to parrot propaganda, i investigate, ¿did you investigate about all this complicated dispute?, what both countries shoud cede will be known if both resume the negotiations, the main problem is the sovereignty, and the solution for it, can't depend only on the will of the islanders, beside, ¿why only the wishes and rights of the islanders must be taken into account?, ¿what about our wishes and rights?, ¿why can't we find a fair solution for all the parts?, i dont know if i am rigt or wrong with what is said respecting what my country should cede?, i only know that the solution to the conflict can't be conditioned by none of the parts, as long as it happens, it's expectable that we have more problems, i said it one million times.
On the other hand, the right to self determination is a very controvertible issue, when i investigated i could read diferent opinions about the application of that right to the islanders, i included them in my investigation, i dont know exactly if that right is applicable or not to the population from the islands, i only know that negotiations can't be conditioned.
Axel, you have yet to square the circle. How can your president “negotiate” when she is obliged to uphold your constitution, in other words the only “solution” is the one in your constitution - a simple handover.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 09:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What's more, you say self determination is “controvertible”. I think you mean controversial. Well, it might be in some quarters, but that does not change the facts. Argentina AND the UK have both ratified the UN Charter, the ICCPR and the ICESCR, all three of which have self determination as a key principle. Self determination is not a UK “condition” as you try to imply. It is international law, and both the UK and Argentina have BOTH agreed to that by ratification of the Charter and the two conventions. Self determination can also not be limited, confirmed by all the ICJ case law mentioned in a previous comment.
For god's sake give the lad a bit of help
Sep 14th, 2011 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Axel
Sep 14th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say your willing to cede half the sovereignty of the islands - Am sorry but you can not cede or give something in return when you do not even own it. What your saying to us, is that we should give you sovereignty and argentina will gave us 50% of the sovereignty back. Sorry but that would mean we are getting nothing in return and will be no better of from any such negotiations.
end of the day if argentina continue to refuse to acknowledge the islanders and respect their rights to self determination, then their is never going to be any negotiations especially when you have made it clear in your constitution that you will not settle for anything other than full sovereingty - That is not negotiating, that is dictating.
Haha, looks like web have confirmation of RKH going into production with a FPSO. Roll on early 2016!! Beef, sitting back an feeling pretty smug!
Sep 14th, 2011 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0£££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
@223Axel,
Sep 14th, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0You don't have any wishes or rights to OUR lslands.
Only the lslanders have wishes & rights in these lslands.
So what else are you willing to cede? Over to you, Axel.
@217
Sep 14th, 2011 - 12:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Brits, was slavery abolished in Britain?
Yes we did,It seems Thinks Pal's the poor down trodden Travellers have reintroduced it
Yes, slavery abolished in the UK before it was abolished in Argentina. They like to forget they had slavery there too...
Sep 14th, 2011 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They still have slavery in argentina - http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54871
Sep 14th, 2011 - 02:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now any intelligent person would class that as slavery.
http://198.170.85.29/Rodolfo-Yanzon-commentary.pdf
Any intelligent person would class that as slavery.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=54871
Any intelligent person would call that sexual slavery.
So Argentinian hypocrites, what your got to say about that eh. You really should use and isolated incident over here in the UK to in a pathetic attempt to put the UK down, without looking closer to home first, hypocrites.
And @239 Be my guess and stick that up your junta lol ;-)
once again they throw things as a distraction,poor sods,
Sep 14th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as for some thing to cede,
if AXEL thinks that argentina can cede 1/2 of the falklands,
then surley he will readily agree to britain cede 1/2 of patagonia,
and the falklands can cede 1/2 of argentina. [problem solved]
J. A. ROBERT. ISOLDE. TEABOY2.
Sep 14th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe the right to self determination is perfectly applicable to the population from the islands, and there is not really any limit to aply it, but for being honest, i have serious doubts about the application of this right for this cause, because all the opinions of diferent professors that i read are very diferent, beside resolution 2353 which reffers the gibraltar question clarifies what's the thought of the u. n about territorial integrity, which is one of the bases of our claim, anyway beyond my doubts and conclutions, there is something that we all must understand once and for all, and discuss a solution like mature people. The main problem that we have with the u. k., is for the sovereignty of the islands, and the solution for that conflict can't depend only on the wishes and the rights of the islanders, it's absolutly necesary to discuss a fair solution for the three parts of the dispute. Our constitution can say whatever about our claim, if both nations are called by the decolonization committee to negotiate a peacefull solution, like us or not, we will have to cede in some aspects of our claim, on the other hand, never in my 30 years, i heard from any of our former presidents, or from c. f. k. actual president luckilly, that the u. k. must give the sovereignty of the islands back to argentina, they all, including c. f. k, have always said that the u. k. must respect the resolutions from the u. n., and negotiate a peacefull solution, as long as it doesen't happen, it's expectable that we have more problems.
UN Resolution 2353 doesn't clarify what the UN thinks about territorial integrity. It is indicative of the politics of the time.
Sep 14th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Resolution 2353 (XXII) was supported by seventy-three countries (mainly Latin American, Arab, African and Eastern European countries), rejected by nineteen (United Kingdom and the countries of the Commonwealth of Nations), while twenty-seven countries abstained (Western Europe and the United States).
It was bloc voting.
To clarify the UN terms, you have to go back to the framing of the document. The insertion of that term was intened to protect the territorial integrity of colonies against the colonial power seeking to divide territories to its advantage.
It does not limit the right to self-determination.
Axel, your country dictates the outcome of any negotiation. Britain in the past provided you with more than ample opportunities for negotiation and one of the factors in the failure of those negotiations was Argentina's intansigence and impatience. The aggressive policies pursued by Argentina make any confidence building that could lead to genuine talks impossible. Britain did not have to offer co-operation on fishing and oil exploration to Argentina, it didn't have to allow Argentines to visit the islands, there are many things that were in progress to build confidence and Argentina UNILATERALLY tore them up.
You myopically ignore the position of your country and its impact on the possibility of a negotiated settlement and you put all the blame on the UK and the FIG.
Its a fact that Latin America has never before and Caribbean have been so united in defense of the territorial integrity of the region. Whose mail aim I would attribute it to building of confidence which has been documented by mercopress
Sep 14th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Haha, looks like web have confirmation of RKH going into production with a FPSO. Roll on early 2016!! Beef, sitting back an feeling pretty smug
Sep 15th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
corned beef.........tell us another joke...
@246Malvinero1,
Sep 15th, 2011 - 09:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Are you related to malen or perhaps your finger was stuck on the keyboard? ldiotaaaaaaaaaa!
Axel, the ICJ is the only organisation which can interpret international law. You can pick and choose as many professors as you like, and doubt it as much as you like, that is not going to change the facts. The ICJ has put self determination ahead of territorial claims.
Sep 15th, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know where you have been for the last 30 years if you think no Argentine president has said the Falklands must be given back to Argentina. On the contrary. I don't know how many times I have heard CFK refer to “nuestras Malvinas”... Please don't be so naive!
If only argentina could show the world how good and decent she could be,
Sep 15th, 2011 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but sadly she will make a fool of herself as normal,
J. A. ROBERT. JUSTINKUNTZ.
Sep 15th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0J. A.: You should not be neather so naive, and have an ample criterion, everybody here says nuestras malvinas, we have a historic claim for them, we consider that the islands belongs also to us, in the same way that all the rest of argentina belongs to the islanders, it's very stupid to use that phrase to argue that we only would accept our sovereignty on the islands, the negotiations that were expressed by the decolonization committee with purpose of resuming the ngeotiations, destroys the analysis that you and your compatriots say about the posture of my country respecting this cause.
Regarding the right to self determination, i have nothing more to say, like i said in planty of oportunities, the main problem (the sovereignty) can't depend only on the wishes and rights of the islanders, you already know perfectly what i think about it.
JUSTIN: Read the paragraph of resolution 2353 tha i incorporated in my survey, on the other hand, i have never ignored the posture of my country, and blame ony the u. k. and the f.i g, in the conclutions of my investigation, i clarify perfectly what i think about it, read it again, in fact i have always been very critic in this forum, about some aspects of the policy of our government that i have always rejected, your problem is that you have bad memory, and remember only the half of the question, the solution for the main problem can't depend only on the wishes and rights of the islanders, beside, the sovereignty is something that they never accepted to discuss, respecting what you indicate about what would be the outcome for my country, i only will tell you one more time that as long as your the u. k., and the f. i, g continues rejecting to discuss a fair solution, we will keep on having problems, c. f. k. have alwasy said that the u. k. should negotiate with us a peacefull solution, she never said that the u. k. should give the sovereignty back to argentina, negotiation is not submition.
250 axel arg-- You have no claim on them at all Argentina was not in existence when the British populated those Islands. And we have nothing at all to discuss end of story It cant be put any more simple than that. But to go a little bit further, just because a few Islands a few hundred miles of the shore of Argentina does not mean that Argentina has any right over them, however if Argentina is so convinced that they belong to her then take Britain to court over it and Britain will abide by that courts decision. But you wont will you, why because you know you will lose and that will be the end of the matter no more vote winning rhetoric by crooked political masters every time there is an election. Ask yourself why Argentina wont go to court any sane person goes to court to get something that belongs to them don't they.
Sep 15th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You talk as if there is something to negotiate there isn't, and we have a peaceful solution in place. We have plenty of hardware and soldiers down there, that's where the peaceful solution comes in, as long as Argentina and her subjects dont invade we have a peaceful outcome. Problem solved.
Axel,
Sep 15th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Decolonisation Committee cannot make international law. It can only propose Resolutions to the General Assembly, and every single General Assembly and every single Security Council resolution references the right to self determination, either directly or indirectly by reference to Resolutions which do and the UN Charter. Whatever your own personal opinion, or that of your selected “professors”, the facts cannot be changed. It is a fact that self determination is a key principle of the UN Charter, it is a fact born out by a number of ICJ rulings that self determination cannot be limited, especially not by territorial claims. Get used to it!
Oh, and what's more, there is not a single UN resolution which states or implies that the Falklands are or should be Argentina. They simply call for the UK and Argentina to settle their differences. All of them reference self determination and some of them even specifically mention the Falkland Islanders interests. It could not be more clear than that!
Oh, and please don't patronise me by suggesting that whenever one of your presidents utters the words “nuestras malvinas” it is empty phrase. It is exactly the opposite, and a statement of intent.
stop looking in the mirror and talking to your self,
Sep 15th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0read the truth [of the world] not the indocrinated press savvy
Britishbulldog, I loved your paragraph
Sep 15th, 2011 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“”“we have nothing at all to discuss end of story It cant be put any more simple than that.”“””
you can also use: we are the owners of the truth...
violence, wealth or knowledge are the ways to be powerful, knowledge is definitely not yours...
beside resolution 2353 which reffers the gibraltar question clarifies what's the thought of the u. n about territorial integrity,
Sep 15th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Axel, UNGA resolutions are neither binding nor do they have retroactive application.
http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/16/5/329.pdf
There was no territorial integrity law in 1713 or 1833 to which a UNGA resolution could apply.
you just cant tell some people, because they just dont know how to handle the truth,
Sep 15th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0even if the UN wrote to them personaly, they still would not belive it,
but if their leaders told them they owned the world, they would belive it,
indocrinated or what.
J. A. ROBERT. BRITISHBULLDOG. DAB14763. BRITON.
Sep 16th, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If unless one of you has no more than one line of objetivity, you would doubt also about the application of the right to self determination for the population from the islands, most you have always suggested that my country should propose the u. k. to take the question to the i. c. j, i agree absolutly with that, in fact when i was doing my investigation, i had an interview with a former professor of international right from the university from b.s as, and she told me that she agrees also with that idea. However let me remind you that the u. k. didn't propose neather argentina to take the dispute to the court, so, it makes me think that actually both nations have doubts about the application of self determination for this cause, nor the u. k. is not sure that self determination is applicable, nor argentina is sure that self determination is not applicable for the islanders, so, as long as none of the two countries propose that step, the right thing to do, is to respect the resolutions from the decolonization committee, and resume the negotiations, in order to find a peacefull solution for this cause, with out any condition of none of the parts of the conflict, the main problem is the sovereignty, and it can't depend only on the will of the islanders.
We all can have diferent opinions and posture respecting this cause, they are all respectable, my posture is not base only on the love that i feel for my country, it's also based on the investigation that i made, everyone can read my survey, i can send it to you, in fact now, i have the need of reformulating my investigation, i am writing an assay which is based on my work, because i need to add issues that are very inportant also, and i will publish it in my blog, surelly it's not going to be the last time i do it.
Axel, I really don't see how an reasonable, thinking and objective person could arrive at the conclusion that you suggest. To do so they would need something, anything to show that self determination can be limited. But there is nothing, and everything, the relevant international law and the relevant ICJ cases all point in the opposite direction. My bet is that any reasonable, thinking and objective person would agree the Falkland Islanders have a right to self determination, they would agree the Argentine territorial claim does not limit self determination.
Sep 16th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why does the UK not got to the ICJ? Well I would have thought that was obvious. The UK is in possession, it has perfected its title to the Falklands. The UK has nothing to gain by going to the ICJ. Argentina on the other hand, if their case is as strong as they make out has everything to gain. I think it says a lot about Argentina's that Argentina does not go to the ICJ. If you think the UK is unsure about the Falkland Islanders' right to self determination, then perhaps it is worth asking by the UK came to their defence in 1982 at great risk and great cost. Also ask yourself why the UK continues to defend the Falkland Islanders at great cost. And, please don't say it's the oil because we all know that the Falkland Islands Government accrues any oil revenues and not the UK government...
I look forward to reading your blog post.
@Axel - You say the UK didn't offer to take the dispute to the ICJ
Sep 16th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well your wrong, the UK invited argentina to the ICJ on 5 seperate occasions in regards to the sotuh sandwitch islands and south shetland islands all occasions Argentina notified the ICJ via a third party that argentina did not recognise the courts jurisdiction.
The UK had also invited Argentina to the ICJ over the Falkland islands on 2 sperate occasions yet again Argentina refused.
I suggest you get your facts right before spurting out indoctrinated BS
perhaps he does not think the ICJ is the same as you think it is,
Sep 16th, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but he is slowly begining to understand that Argentina must, go to the ICJ if she feels she has a case,
if on the other hand, she does not have a case, then all she can do, is put pressure on the islanders, abuse them try to blockade them, harras them, get other countries to back her, pressure others to see her point of view, in other words, try to get by force, what she cannot get by law,
[but is this not, what she is doing right now]
so does she have a claim,
over to you AXEL
J. A. ROBERT. TEABOY2. BRITON.
Sep 16th, 2011 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The u. k. suggested that it would accept to take the question to the court, in case that argentina proposes it, respecting the cases of the sandwich islands, and georgias, however it never proposed to discuss the dispute for the malvinas before the court, in 1885 our country proposed the u. k. to take the question to the arbitration, but it rejected that posibility, i have interesting information in my survey about all these cases. I didn't find any evidence that proves that the u. k. proposed argentina to discuss about the dispute for the islands before an international court, but i'm absolutly sure that unless after the 1982 conflict, none of the two countries suggested that proposal.
In my work i have opinions of diferent professors who argue about to take the question before the court, and they dont coincid with your thoughts, i respect your analysis, but for me will always be more relevant the assertions of the professors, those people knows much more than you and i.
If in 1982 thatcher defended the islands, it was because she is a smart woman, and knew perfectly that the u. k. was going to win, and it would bost her pathetic miserabe and umpopular government, our despisable dictatorship tried to do the same with the same purpose, but it lost.
If the u. k. continues defending the islands now, it's actually for the oir reserves, i know that you are going to tell me that the m. l c. gives the licences, not cameron, but the exploration is in the hands of british companies, so, it's the same.
Meantime, i think it's really lamentable that you blame only argentina, and dont criticise the intransigence of the m. l. c, and the u. k. to discuss a fair solution, i think that both parts are not acting correcty, the islanders must be included in the negotiations, and they must accept to discuss about the sovereignty, because it's the main problem, dont be so myopic, and dont blame only argentina.
If this is the result of years of your hard work,
Sep 16th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then i suggest you go back and do it all over again,
in one sentence, [your wrong again]
1981 NY Talks, Britain suggest a referral to the ICJ in 1983.
Sep 16th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the Beagle Channel judgement Axel, in particular the Argentine maps that showed the disputed islands as Chilean. That was a major fact in Chile's favour. The same maps show the Falklands as not part of Argentina.
Also the 1885 arbitration you refer to:
A) Argentina suggested arbitration by its ally Peru.
B) What was there to arbitrate? Argentina had signed a treaty in 1850 and had not protested for 35 years.
Have you read Escude's paper yet, the one about Argentina inventing its claims?
“ in 1885 our country proposed the u. k. to take the question to the arbitration, but it rejected that posibility, i have interesting information in my survey about all these cases.”
Sep 16th, 2011 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thats completely incorrect axel i would like you to either provide some solid proof of this statement of admit you are incorrect.
Your member of government said he might take us to court. He did not however do so.
What exact internation court was he trying to take us to?
What was the judges name?
Where was it based?
Axel, what happened in 1885 is irrelevant. We live in the UN age. What applies is the UN Charter and international law flowing from that. You can't change the fact that under that Charter and under current international law self determination has priority over territorial claims. That's a simple fact.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, we all know the UK tried to take a test case to the ICJ which covered ONLY the dependencies, ie SGSSI. We all know that Axel. But Argentina still claims those islands under exactly the same basis as it claims the Falklands proper. If Argentina had a strong case why was Argentina not prepared to accept the court's jurisdiction in that case? Why does Argentina not take it's Falkland proper claim to the ICJ if it has such a strong case?
It's the Falkland Islands Government which issues the licences. I don't know what “m. l c.” is. And the FIG collects the revenue. The companies are registered in the UK because the London stock market is one of the best places to raise funds. The UK Government does not issue the licences, does not collect any revenue and does not have any control.
I don't blame Argentina Axel, I would just like Argentina to face up to the facts. Self determination applies. Argentina needs to join the real world. Oh and I don't know why you keep banging on about a “fair” solution. All Argentina has is a claim. Nothing else. You have yet to prove that your claim has any basis. The only place you can do that is at the ICJ. Raising the issue in any other forum is pointless. That says a lot about your claim, that you don't take it to the ONLY place which can give a determination.
ICJ, Put up or shut up, Axel(& others)!
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0261 axel arg --- You know all those professors you are banging on about, well their opinions are not worth the time they thought about it all , we all have opinions about something or other. The only opinion that matters is the opinion of any court when they have been presented with factual evidence of claims.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 11:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0As J.A. Roberts says, Argentina never will take it to the only place that can give a determination and as Isolde says PUT UP OR SHUT UP end of story
So stop wasting your time talking to people that have no bearing on the outcome of any court judgment.
If Argentina has a valid claim like she says she does then go through the proper channels and stop wasting the time of everyone including the UN who have far more important items to be getting on with than this non event that will never happen
261 axel
Sep 17th, 2011 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0like i said, wrong
try again
arge kicked
JUSTINKUNTZ. J. A. ROBERT. ZETHE. BRITISHBULDOG.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would like any of you to provide me any link where i can read that the u. k. proposed argentina to take the question to the i. c. j in 1981, for being honest i have never found any evidence that proves what you say, respecting what happened in 1885, i wont repeat it, read my survey again, some of you already has it, and if anyone else is interesting on it, i can send it to you.
Only a judgement from the i. c. j. can affirm what country has stronger rights than the other one, we can discuss every single day of our lives in this forum about our arguments, you will always defend for the right to self determination, and we will always defend our territorial integrity, if none of the two parts offers to take the question to the court, it says so much about both, i really think that nor argentina nor the u. k. are so sure about their rights, in the same way that the u. k. in 1947 suggested that it would accept to take the question of the dependencies to the arbitration, it should offer now to take the question of the malvinas-falklands also. After the 1982 conflict none of the two parts decided to give that step, so, as long as they dont it, the right thing to do, is to resume the negotiations and find a fair solution for all the parts, if we dont discuss about the sovereignty with the u. k., which is the main problem ¿what do you think that we can discuss?, the solution for the this sovereign dispute can't depend only on the wishes and rights of the islanders, so, c. f. k, cameron, and the members from the l. c (legislative councill from the islands) must discuss like mature people a fair solution, and please dont insist once and again with what our constitution says about claim, i already said one million times here what i think respecting it.
On the other hand, if i dont answer the comments of some of you, t's beccause i wont waste my time with mediocre people who only insult, and treats me like an idiot.
On the other hand, if I don’t answer the comments of some of you, it’s because i wont waste my time with mediocre people who only insult, and treats me like an idiot.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your reply in interesting in its self
I do not think you are an idiot, but self awareness, is self taught,
Sometimes you just don’t except things,
Do you understand what a constitution is,
And its impact on the people,
Your boss installed this item, and was elected amongst others things, to enact your constitution to get the islands back, no negotiations unless the return of the Falklands is complete without compromise, as long as this item is in your constitution, a negotiated settlement is impossible,
Your government has in effect tied her own hands, and now cannot free herself unless she removes it, but by doing so, thus is admitting that you do not want or have any claim over them,
Thus the ball is firmly in argentines court,
Am I right///or wrong .
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