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Argentina thanks China for its standing support in the Malvinas sovereignty dispute
Argentina expressed gratitude to China for its permanent support of the Malvinas Islands sovereignty claim in the longstanding dispute with Britain. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesChuckle chuckle™
Sep 10th, 2011 - 06:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are not “slipping” Mr. Hoyt…..
Not at all…..
So China is using London to launch it's first offshore Yuan based financial instruments and through it's Singapore direct invesment will be default have a stake in the FI drilling.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmm, I much prefer the actions than the words, Chuckle, Chuckle, Chuckle £££££££££££££!
Yup, tell the Argies what they want to hear but do the real business elsewhere...
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0This guy was signing deals in London recently and did we feel the need to discuss the Falkalnds? No we didn't, as we are secure in our position that it does not need raising. Every time Argentina raise this it appears they are tryig to convince themselves.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0China has appeared to put it's money where it's mouth is. Tells me all we need to know. The drilling continues, bankrolled by a variety of domestic and international stakeholders!
Ha, ha, ha !
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did this last week when it thanked the Russians for their support even though there was nothing in the agreements that even mentioned the Falklands.
Bet there's nothing in the agreements this time too lol.
Argentina says 'thankyou' to everyone to give an impression of support back home regardless of whether they've actually gotten any.
There's nothing here - http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/portal/ver_adjunto.php?id=3706
Do the plebs in Argentina really believe this BS?
China stays out of everyone's business!
Not slipping - just making yourselves look stupid.
They're good at looking stupid. So what now, Argentina, are you going to get China to do your fighting for you?
Sep 10th, 2011 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0China, The Americas and more supports Argentina, UK...well just the city of Pocklington.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Xie xie China!
Marcos - then why are none of your “supporters” doing anything. In fact China appears ready to profit out of the FI oil drilling and Brazil are already profiting from that oil equipment passing through it's ports. Oh and the rig is US owned.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who exactly supports you dim boy?
(5) Hoyt
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
Do the plebs in Argentina really believe this BS?
I say:
1) The plebs in Argentina don't read the language of the Falklands own News Agency....
2) Are you doubting the veracitiy of the BS the Falklands Own News Agency feeds you Brutons with?
3) Chuckle chuckle™
Think - why are none of your so called supporters actually doing anything? Even with Brazil it is all words and no trousers.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing here - http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-09/09/c_131129475.htm
Sep 10th, 2011 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nothing here - http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/china/2011-09/09/c_131129475.htm
BS is BS Thinky - wherever, and from whoever!
And Chinese support is BS :-)
“If you had paid attention to my previous posts, you would have noticed that I speak your language fluently and with great ignorance”.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think
Sep 04th, 2011
No shit!?
Our Foreign Policy is laughable !!!!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is a country not a government, blaming the country is wrong, these band of thieves and corrupted individuals do not represent the best interest of the argentine population. I am disgusted by it, it makes me sad and it makes me very angry at the same time. So this bullshit rethoric about Malvinas this, Malvinas that WITH NO REAL BACKING from the real players is moronic !! we have so many issues in the main land to resolve first ..... just a thought
(12)
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”I speak your language fluently and with great ignorance”.
A brilliant parable written by our great Jorge Luis Borges……. totally wasted, of course, in a turnip like you………….
(13)
We have so many issues in the mainland we are resolving as we speak ..... just a fact.
TWIMC
A good Rugby match….. wasn’t it?
A good Rugby match….. wasn’t it?.... I didn't see it but based on the score, was it close?
Sep 10th, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm waiting on Shocklender's testimony .... is going to be very interesting!
Think - yes a close run Rugby Match - early days yet for both teams, was never going to be an easy one for England with many of the Pumas having played in the European 6 nations sides having a good knowledge of English styles etc. And in pretty well all Int Sports Eng. has a long history of wobbling at the start and they improving.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China? - When will you guys ever eaccept reality. Nations always give public verbal support to other nations to suit the day and it often means little! China of course is communist - we would never expect them to support “an old european power” in the Un etc - simple fact! But they of course are hard business guys and will continue to do business with Arg- Uk -Falklands - where it suits them. Same as other S.American nations do.
Nations always give public verbal support to other nations to suit the day and it often means little!..... you say little? maybe you are too polite, I would say it means nothing at all. I could read Yang Jiechi's mind saying ..” yeah, yeah ... whatever.... NEXT!!!!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You can't trust those chinks, but when you do your history, those chinks aren't great fans at all of those ugly brits. They know their days are over and are interested to spread more their influance in Europe and wherever they can.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0true that !!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see Marcos and Think have declined my offer for them to highlight how many of their “supporters” have actually taken any action in support of Argentina. Perhaps it is an inconvenient truth that no one is willing to support Argentina with meaningful actions.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fido - based on the fact that China is a voracious consumer of British Higher Education then I think you will need to do your research first. All that lovely Yuan adding to my salary, yummy!
Fido (is that a dogs name?) - the Chinese are inscrutable, and go where they see the best opportunity.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Under the present regime, Argentina really doesn't fit that bill.
Liked the creeping from Tinman about supporting China fully on the issues of Tibet and Taiwan ! Not a surprise, as neither Government is up to respecting the UN Charter :-)
14 More fluent effluent!?
Sep 10th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina were defeated by England in the Rugby.
Yes Redhoyt, as I have tried to tell you many times in this forum, it is sovereign and corporate interests that dominate the political arena now , not nationalist sentiment. China is interested only in natural resources as is every other country and multinational. They do not give a fig for the aspirations of the Falklanders.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And neither will the UN general assembly as they are all now the pawns of the new corporate world order.
I am very concerned where our relationship with China will end, with China owning much of our country, including our government. There is too much corruption in the state and our claim over las malvinas / Falklands is based on lies and propaganda. China is worlds leading slave labor economy, has the worlds largest number of political prisoners, is a world leader in the export of organs havested from those same prisoners and is one of the last communist states surviving, although this in name only as they are run by oligarchs who use communism as a system to their advantage.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is where we are still at today corruption and stagnation - http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/analysis/no-way-out-corruption-in-a-stagnant-democracy-/
It is time to forget childish dreams of far away islands we have never possessed and move towards embracing a greater relationship with our neighbors, instead of constantly threatening them.
14
Sep 10th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for you.
http://youtu.be/lkuaaMsz4_8
Enjoy.
Benito #24 - good post.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has anybody seen a transcript of what the Chinese leadership *actually said* wrt TFI?
My guess is that they said absolutely nothing at all,
and that this is just another bit of Timerman 'spin'.
It doesn't matter what was said or not said. No country supports Argentina with anything more than hollow words. Marcos and Think know this, Chuckle Chuckle!
Sep 10th, 2011 - 05:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina knows this first-hand, and the level of Chinese investment here has gone from millions to billions overnight. a detailed look at the depth of Chinese holdings on and under Argentine soil, today labels the country, along with Brazil as China’s New Investment Frontier.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Total Chinese investment in Argentina was a meager US$13 million in 2004, that figure has grown to US$2.45 billion today, sounds a lot, that’s only 2.45 billion, or under 3 billion, in everything from silver in Salta to motorcycles, . The oil and gas sector probably holds the most potential for both countries also the most heavily taxed, there will be positive changes in 2011, the pivotal presidential election year.time to sell your sole,
Other major Chinese investments in Argentina announced this year include plans to invest US$10 billion in Argentina’s rail network (a move that would accelerate the supply chain of soy and other commodities) this is to speed up delivery to suit china, and China Railway International’s possible participation in building a new BA Subte line. If approved, Eximbank China would finance the US$1.5 billion G-line that’s 1.5 billion, or under 2 billion,
London is the largest foreign-exchange trading centre in the world.
Mr Osborne said that the UK represented an “attractive investment opportunity for Chinese investors .
China and the UK reaffirmed their commitment to the target of doubling trade to 100 billion dollars by 2015. That’s 100BILLION, that is the difference,
Ah but china did back argentina over the Falklands did she not, ????
NO she did not, china today has claims on the south china seas, claims on Taiwan,
And on Tibet,
Beijing was motivated by regional rivalry and fear that India's growth will overtake China's by 2035. “China is rattled by the emergence of India as a global economic player and a regional military power. So it is trying to raise the ante by saying 'we can cause problems for you',” he said. [YOU want to sell your sole to china,] feel
the fact that some of you cannot find a written document on the internet that specifically states that China has backed up Argentina's claim during this visit doesn't mean anything. The main purpose of the visit was business and as such, that is what's being documented. Yet, the public words from these officials (and in diplomacy in general) are as good as any document. I don't think anyone here would dispute that China does support Argentina's claim and this article is consistent with that position.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And @4 - Argentina does not raise this topic to “convince” themselves. In international law, a continuous, uninterrupted claim is very important; and in the case of the Malvinas, Argentina has not once interrupted its claim since 1833. On the other hand, a prolonged silence in international law equates to conformity and abandonment of any claim.
part two,,,,
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beijing was motivated by regional rivalry and fear that India's growth will overtake China's by 2035. “China is rattled by the emergence of India as a global economic player and a regional military power. So it is trying to raise the ante by saying 'we can cause problems for you',” he said. [YOU want to sell your sole to china,] feel free, for words is all she will give you, but take your resources she will ??
Argentina and china, as different as chalk and cheese,
Great Britain and India, has as much in common as the latest corner shop,
Good business, good sense, good friends,
If you think that with her important other interests, china would even dream of putting Argentina first, then you are deranged as well as deluded,
If only Argentina concentrated on her own problems,, left the Falkland’s alone, and be friends , then the world is her oyster,
Instead of destroying the very thing think her people love, for the deluded obsessions of the Falkland’s, that is not even hers,
[troneas]
the day you can spell truth, will be the day you will be able to tell it,
China takes control of Argentina bank
Sep 10th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110810-718474.html
China invests $5 billion in Argentine oil exploration
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110810-718474.html (source: dow jones)
China to build high speed rail line in Argentina
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110810-718474.html
China buys BP's south american assets and China acquires controlling interest in Argentine oil.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110810-718474.html
Another slap in the face for Britain: the Obama administration sides with Argentina and Venezuela in OAS declaration on the Falklands.
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110810-718474.html
tick tock tick......
This is typical Argentine 'diplomacy'.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some Argentine politician calls a press conference and thanks someone for something they didn't actually say. The person they are thanking isn't actually there and can't agree or disagree.
This is a slight variation on 'Argentine minister tells lies about the Falklands in a public place and we can't do anything about it.'
As for 'tick tock', how long will it be before the Chinese actually own all of Argentina? Is that what we're counting down to?
@24Benito,
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Very well said. An Argentine with brains. Refreshing after reading the twaddle that people like Think, Troneas,fantazum & malen etc dribble out.
@32Monty69,
Completely agree.
China doesn't need force to conquer the world.
i would like to thank all the posters (such as #32) who are so concerned about Argentina being “owned” by China.
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But it is very difficult to please everyone. Without foreign investment, the country is accused of being “communist” or “populist”. And no country can keep up without depending on some measure with the rest of the world. China is not only investing in Argentina, but in many other countries.
Wasn't the UK “owned” by Germany at some point?
Besides, this government (despite its many flaws) is taking measures to protect and foment local industries and even Argentine “sovereignty” if you like (such as the law restricting foreigners from owning too much land in Argentina which is being proposed in Congress).
So don't you worry. Whilst Europe and the UK continue struggle for economic growth and find themselves dealing with more and more unhappiness on their streets, money is flowing into SA.
And the best part, is that this time (unlike the 90s), the economy is being regulated to a certain extent. So we won't get screwed like we did with the US.
Fantasy - the US sides with Argentina? Is the rig not US owned? What about Brazil? Profiting from port facilities offered to those Falkland bound oil supply ships?
Sep 10th, 2011 - 10:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmm, I think I prefer the profitable support compared to the meaningless verbals you appear to revel in.
Greed is good, greed works and the Chinese love it!
Trousers - a complaint every couple of years would be just as good for the issue of prescription.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, there was no complaint at all by Argentina between 1849 and 1884, even that was a 'chat' at a party!
Not that it is necessary. Britain had a better title than Argentina before 1833 and perfected in on that return.
But whine away - it's Argentina that looks daft!
Do you think if Cristina visited the UK, there's be a piece in the Argie press about her thanking Cameron for his support over the Falkland Islands ?? LOL
36 Rotten!!
Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0you are so boring!! mate zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Kiwi'sArse - only to the unintelligent :-)
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like no Argie poster is able to let us know about a single nation that has taken action in support of Argentina.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chuckle Chuckle!
[] - 34 tron
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0you true !
e.g ; UK's (no/1 ) market shared car Vauxhall has an real origin
from Opel (Germany) !!
Can someone actually point me to where Chinas has made an overt statement of support for Argentina.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0The last thing I remember, is that China, Argentina's main customer for its Soya crop, place an embargo on the product in retaliation for protectionist measures against Chinese exports.
Has that been lifted yet?
@40 geo,
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not true, geo. Vauxhall was a British car company until (American)General Motors bought them out in the 1920's.
GM also happen to own Opel, so no doubt made many common parts & later even whole cars were similar.
But Vauxhall never came from Germany.
@41
Sep 11th, 2011 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a good question Justin. I would like to know the answer though
“Has anybody seen a transcript of what the Chinese leadership *actually said* wrt TFI?” (GW #26)
Sep 11th, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'Can someone actually point me to where Chinas has made an overt statement of support for Argentina.” (JK #41)
We really need some evidence.
Please post the best evidence you can find.
If you can find no evidence, please post this info also.
Easy...............
Sep 11th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falklands own News Agency has published and repeated that “info” three times on the same article……
”Argentina thanks China for its standing support in the Malvinas sovereignty dispute”
”Argentina expressed gratitude to China for its permanent support of the Malvinas Islands sovereignty claim in the longstanding dispute with Britain.”
“Argentina thanked both Chinese leaders for the permanent support to the legitimate sovereignty Argentine claim over the Malvinas Islands and the need for the UK to sit at a table and begin negotiations for a peaceful solution to the territorial conflict”
Evidence enough!
Don´t you ”Think” so?
Chuckle chuckle ™
45
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nah
Its just Argentina thanks, Argentina gratitude and Argentina thanks again.
Get off your knees you sorry excuse for a Nation
All this fluent ignorance just trips off your tongue.
Thanks for your 'best shot', Think. But No.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0These are Argentinian words.
What we really want to see are the *Chinese statements* for which Sr. Timerman is thanking them.
Because - until proved otherwise - these Chinese statements are an Argentine fiction with as much substance as 'Scotch mist'.
Give us proof, Think, and we can Think better of your research and memory.
lies lies lies, the history of my country is a big lie. knowing this who will be stupid enough to believe our lies? Ourselves! Reading the comments posted by Think, malen, marcos alejandro, troneas etc etc is an embarrasment.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“These are Argentinian words.”
Sep 11th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentinean words?
Where?
Only thing I can find are English words written and published by the Falklands own News Agency ........
Think, can you find anything other than words of support from your “supporters”? Any actions you can point me to? Chuckle Chuckle!
Sep 11th, 2011 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(50) You mean our London supporters?
Sep 11th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Trade between Britain and Argentina is currently at a record level, with aggregate trade totalling £800 million. Some 70 UK companies operate in Argentina. That puts pressure on William's commanders to re-consider deploying him to the Falklands ”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8754483/Prince-Williams-mission-to-the-Falkands-is-in-jeopardy.html
@ 49 is the famous crapman!!!
Sep 11th, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48 I wonder why are you so embarrassed about your real nationality and claim to be an Argentinean? lies, lies, lies.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 04:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina's protests – and the country's trade links to Britain – put pressure on William's commanders to re-consider deploying him to the Malvinas”
Feeling the pressure?
@ 53 unfortunately for me I'm an Argentine, is there something badder than this? I don't think so. The history we learnt at school is 90% false, our history and geography are lies, propaganda useful to make us feel nationalists and patriotic, but are only lies. You are vile people, cowards, without honour, inferior, you feel happy living and believing in lies, if you are the kind of man who loves Argentina, knowing that lies only will lead this country to failure, once more, then I don't want to know those who hate Argentina. If you love something you want that something to be good, if you loved this country you'd be doing something good for the country instead of spreading more lies. Keep being a nationalist and a patriot who loves Argentina, keep teaching lies! You people are doing everything for this country to become history. You feel like you're winning something, like you're wise and have KNOWLEDGE. When your lies rape you, don't come crying. Stupid people, keep living your nationalism in the United States of America hahaha
Sep 11th, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think,
Sep 11th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not upset with you, like our friend XBox. He is upset with you for good and profound reason.
I am, however, disappointed that you are unable to furnish a decent argument. You have every opportunity to come to the aid of your country and its supposed backing by its 'greater mentor' China, but you conspicuously fail to do so.
Without an 'honest core', and unwilling to conduct an honest discussion, you diminish yourself.
I once thought you had intellectual substance, but, on this matter, you show yourself to be a man of straw.
If you are not embarrassed for yourself, be consoled that I am embarrassed for you.
So Think, you are trying to avoid and skirt around the issue. I take it that this is an admission that none of your “supporters” are prepared to support you with concrete action? In fact they are prepared to profit from potential and activity in the FI.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like Beef's argument is right again!
[] - 42 isol
Sep 11th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0impartially you are true !!
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[] - 54 xbox
strong comment ..
are you sure there are any British posters here !!??
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[] - 55 Geoff
i am very happy to see your comments which developing ..
keep go on please !!
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[] - Beef
i wonder where you found these imaginary firms' shares to buy !!
Can you define and imaginary firm? If I buy shares on a traded market then how can they be imaginary.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before I take a stake in a company I do this thing called research and make a risk-reward calculation to determine my investment/trading strategy as well as my core holding. Research involves analysis, something the Argie posters on here appear to avoid as if they engaged in some analysis it would be clear to them that they have no credible support from any other nation. Perhaps though they know this but it is just too painful for them to admit it. They would much rather avoid the issue or try to deflect attention from it.
Chuckle Chuckle!
@54 Marta doesn't need your vote nor Jordy your bussiness.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Funny, despite Twitter man thanking China's unequivocal support over the “Malvinas” issue, the Chinese have never:
Sep 11th, 2011 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A) Actually stated it themselves....
B) Done anything constructive....
C) Brought up the matter with the UK.....
D) Demanded that the UK hand over the Islands period end of etc etc.....
Me thinks twitter is putting words into the Chinese mouths, but who in return are polite enough to offer a 5 line paragraph on the ministry of foreign affairs website, and occasional implication of support with an open to interpretation one liner in the full knowledge that is all they really need to do to appease the puppy dog like crooning of twitter man.......
The Argies are simply trying to convince themselves, evidenced by their inability to even list a single nation that has supported Argentina with actions.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite simple no nation is actually prepared to support Argentina! Argentina has tried to get “supporter” nations to offer more than a “gesture of support” but has failed miserably.
Chuckle Chuckle, the drilling continues. Onward towards production we go!
I see, not one word to show the Chinese said anything and some racist toadie dodging the question as usual.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like when they're challenged to address evidence that the history they peddle is a bunch of lies.
Chinese Peoples Republic website Bilateral Relations ( Last Update: 2011/08/22) issued the following updated 'Statement of Support', which Sr. Timerman interprets as backing for CFK's stance on TFI:
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The two countries had dynamic cultural and people-to-people exchanges.”
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/wjb/zzjg/ldmzs/gjlb/3453/default.htm
(traced through http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/wjb/zzjg/ldmzs/gjlb/3453/default.htm
There is a substantive position statement, via http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/wjb/zzjg/ldmzs/gjlb/3453/default.htm at:
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/wjb/zzjg/ldmzs/gjlb/3453/default.htm (14 July 2010):
“In the three-page joint statement, China reiterated its support for Argentina's sovereignty claim to the Malvinas Islands, and restarting relevant negotiations and seeking a peaceful solution to the issue in accordance with UN resolutions.”
This is as far as the Chinese political class are prepared to go to support Argentina's claim over TFI - 'talk about it peacefully following UN guidelines'.
There must be an (original) digital copy of this 3 page doc. on some Argentinian site - surely somebody can find it!
(A true translation into English would be useful too ;-)
l “Think”you're snookered, Think.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody here believes that the Chinese fleet is going to sail over the horizon tomorrow with Argentine flags flying & deliver OUR lslands to your country's thieving hands.
They are not going to do your fighting for you.
The Chinese are very good businessmen & through investment are poised to get a slice of OUR oil. What a pity, you could have had a share. Oh well, better luck next time, eh?
l see Timmerman would consign the Tibetans to slavery, just to get some support for Argentina's ridiculous claims.
No honesty & no morals & such a liar.
On a lighter note, l am going to China this year for pleasure & business. Facinating country.
Now take care in Bejing, Isolde.
Sep 11th, 2011 - 09:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just because they've respectfully renamed it Timerman Square, you really must not go head-to-head with the tanks.
;-)
Make sure to go for some real Beijing duck. Male sure they don't westernize it for you. Eat the meat, skin, feet and especially the tounge!
Sep 11th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fly via Singapore and thank the gvt there for part funding the drilling. Just one of a number of nations that takes “action” in support of British soverignty!
64 lsolde Please say xie xie or dòh jê to China for supporting Argentina and forget about duck's tongue, like that englishman gambler suggested above, try this:
Sep 11th, 2011 - 11:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.synotrip.com/beijing/beijing-obelisco-argentina-barbecue-restaurant
Well spotted Think :-)
Sep 12th, 2011 - 12:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/12/fco-wimps/
Still, with a little press pressure, who knows how it'll work out?
Money talks?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 01:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is time for the mine update by MercoStanley
Sep 12th, 2011 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands' Demining Project Delayed”
As always, 29 years and counting... common Merco is time for more mines propaganda.
http://www.falklandnews.com/public/story.cfm?get=6068&source=3
Time for Marcos to list those Argie supporters that have taken action in support of Argentina. Come on dim boy, tell us if you can.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 06:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0to Geoff, Beef & Marcos,
Sep 12th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you for your advice, however we will prob not be going to Beijing.
Our first port of call will be Shanghai, then on to Hubei.
l've promised myself some rolls of silk to bring home & some jade.
Got to get your priorities right.
Make sure you get actual jade and not that compressed jade dust! In China doubt everything!
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0ARGENTINA - CHINA
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0SOME KEYS TO UNDERSTANDING THE HIGH LEVEL MEETING
“..Timerman on Friday met with his peer Yang Jiechi and ...Xi Jinping..”
1- Who is Mr Xi Jinping ?
“...who it tipped to become China’s next president, according to sources in Washington and the main European capitals”
(let me add the most powerfull country now and in the next soon future and the new order world)
2. Is he important ? What power he has exactly right now ??
Xi Jinping is one of the 9 members of the Politburo in the Chinese Communist Party and Vice President of the highest military organ of the Republic of China..“
3- So ...what´s exactly he said or support in the meeting ??
”The Chinese vice president, who reaffirmed his country's support to the Argentine claim over Malvinas Islands, said that both peoples are united by a long friendship“
4- Friendship ?? what kind of relation China and Argentina has and try to deepen ??
”.. Strategic Partnership, established between the two countries in 2004. This strategic partnership has been the beginning of a new phase of sustained and rapid development of bilateral relations in which intensified the frequent contacts at the highest level, boosting confidence
each other. He also noted the successful visit to China by President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner in July 2010 and the broad consensus between the Heads of State in relation to our strategic partnership“
5- so, then the purpose of this high level meeting was ???
”.....the visit is to deepen the friendship between our peoples and emphasized the coordination and cooperation between the two countries
international affairs and especially the role played by China in the world in DEFEND THE INTERESTS OF EMERGING COUNTRIES.”
http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/portal/ver_adjunto.php?id=3705
step by step.....bennies, be smart, now is a good time for negotiation, ..in the future the conditions will be not good at all for you lot. Argentina is waiting with good will in the table.
step by step.....bennies, be smart, now is a good time for negotiation, ..in the future the conditions will be not good at all for you lot. Argentina is waiting with good will in the table
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so_far
the poor mans lord haw haw
74
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, Britain is waiting for a decent offer to start negotiations.
Patagonia looks nice.
How about putting Patagonia in the table and see how far we get.
@76 As far as the three prior attempts by your country to invade our mainland.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#74
Sep 12th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds really good .... Argentina need to populate the Patagonia.
Our dear kelpers can settle in Malvinas, Patagonia or wherever.
Everything is just Argentine territory, no problem
so_far.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But what have China done to reinforce their “support” for Argentina? What has Brazil done to reinforce their “support” for Argentina? What has any country done to reinforce their ”support for Argentina?
You will find that no nation has given you actual support. You have no credible support as support needs to have a tangible value.
Now let us look at the other side of the coin. Does the US support the UK and FI? Well the rig is US owned so I would say that qualifies as actual support.
What about Brazil? Well the rig moved to the FI via Brazilian ports and so does other oil equipment to replenish those stocks etc. I guess that is actual Brazilian support.
Hang on a second, the rig is Panama flagged. Looks like another Latin American country supports the UK & FI (tenuous, I know but it is more support than Argentina has managed to get).
Asia? Well the Singaporean gvt are part funding Rockhopper Exploration and hang on a minute, does not China Aviation Oil (a major part of the CIC) operate its business out of Singapore. Have not the RKH BoD been to Singapore as part of the development planning recently?
Hmmmmmmm. I think I would be more content with the support the FI and UK have been getting compared to the worthless verbals that placate those politically immature Argies.
Isn't the free market just fabulous!
What did the Chinese Vice President actually say?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 09:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone know?
#79
Sep 12th, 2011 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What really matters is to reform the Security Council in the UN ASAP and get out the veto power that UK has today and possibly expel them as permanent members because bad behaviour and example to the world.
....then everything will be so simple for Argentina, which already has the votes of Russia, China, Brazil (next permanent member) and the U.S. to establish mandatory negotiations about Malvinas (binding resolutions)
Argentina is thinking strategically for the next 20 years and the new world order with new leaders.
You are thinking only in the short term ... very basic my friend.
Bennies....be smart, now is really a good moment for negotiations.
so_far. The only time the UN SC has shown any interest in the FI was to tell Argentina to get out. Argentina declined and well you know the rest.
Sep 12th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If that is your response then it shows that your argument is superficial and worthless. You clearly have no idea how the SC works as a permanent member is exactly that “permanent”! Impossible to remove a “permanent” member! You are as thick as Marcos.
If you think that Argentina is positioning itself strategically then you need to start taking some of CFK's medication. How many Chinese graduates emerge from Argentina every year and how many emerge from the UK? Now who is the strategic one in that mix. A UK university education, can't think of a better way to influence future Chinese leaders of politics and business!
Argentina has no “actual” support while the FI and the UK have plenty! Yummy £££££££!!!!!
Does anyone actually know what the guy said?
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0馬爾維納斯群島屬於阿根廷
According to China Daily he said: 什么他妈的是疯母狗说？他妈的。漫话再次对马岛。最佳幽默的牛，所以我们可以摆脱她。
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Inscrutable.
Justin,
Sep 12th, 2011 - 10:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0see #63
The *actual words, as recorded by the Chinese authorities themselves are - from the Chinese Peoples Republic website Bilateral Relations
( Last Update: 2011/08/22) .
They issued the following updated 'Statement of Support', which Sr. Timerman interprets as backing for CFK's stance on TFI:
“The two countries had dynamic cultural and people-to-people exchanges.”
www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/wjb/zzjg/ldmzs/gjlb/3453/default.htm
(traced through en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China)
“..In the three-page joint statement, China reiterated its support for Argentina's sovereignty claim to the Malvinas Islands, and restarting relevant negotiations and seeking a peaceful solution to the issue in accordance with UN resolutions..”
Sep 12th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://au.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t716594.htm
Security Council Reform (a FACT on going)
China calls for negotiation on UN SC reform
http://au.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t716594.htm
is wiki ...but good enough
Reform of the United Nations Security Council
http://au.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t716594.htm
Ah, I get it now
Sep 13th, 2011 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://au.china-embassy.org/eng/xw/t716594.htm
“Argentina said it would follow the one-China policy and support the peaceful development of relations across the Taiwan Strait and China's endeavor for national reunification.”
So to get a comment in its favour Argentina supported a communist state over a democratic one, and ignored the democratically expressed wishes of the people of Taiwan.
So much for Argentina's respect for democracy. Always there is something there if you dig deep enough. Did any of these reports mention this? Wonder why not?
Now where is this 3 page joint statement.
#49 glad you get it........
Sep 13th, 2011 - 01:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@51 Think
Sep 13th, 2011 - 02:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0£800 Million? Is that all? Thats pissing in the wind, we give away more than that each year in Overseas Aid. You really think a piffling £800 Million quid in trade with desperate Argentine businessmen, that are begging to export their wares for real, stable, currency, that isn't devaluing by 25% per annum, like everything in Argentina, makes one iota of difference in relation to our military deployments of Search & Rescue Helicopter Pilots, then you need to take more water with it.
Your country is bleeding its wealth over every border, people can't move their money out of your country fast enough, so they'd sell their grandmother for a deal.
You haven't really thought it all out properly have you?
so-far. So you have joined Marcos and Think on avoiding producing a list of those nations that have taken action in support of Argentina.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Enjoy watching the drilling from the sidelines and thanks to all those nations that are supporting us.
No wonder the UK declines to negotiate.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0One fool responds with some irrelevant history and another talks about the UK making a present of its territory and people. Absolutely no chance.
It is obvious that Argentina has no serious intent and doesn't even know what it is willing to give in return.
Hopeless.
@88JustinKuntz,
Sep 13th, 2011 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, correct. Argentina has written off Tibet also. They've recognised China's claims over Taiwan & Tibet, in return for Chinese support over their immoral, ridiculous Falkland claims.
The Chinese must be delighted.
l think the Argentines would do a deal with the devil just to get some lslands that they have no right to.
What an obsession! so deluded! poor things.
so_far, go & whistle Dixie!
Where are is the text of this 3 page joint statement?
Sep 13th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, guys, dig deep.
It could strengthen Argentina's claim or it could do the opposite.
Both 'sides' have a vested interest in finding it.
90 Wireless ---- 11 billion quid actually that's how much our supposedly down on our uppers country gives in aid along with 10 Billion to bail out the Irish, 10 billion to bail out the Greeks, 10 billion that we will give to Spain, and another 10 billion that we will give to Portugal. Argentina could not aford a new pair of shoes to give away.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 03:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for what the guy said when confronted with Timerman I have it on good authority that after Hector Timerman left Yang Jiechi orderd the arrest and detention of the Muppet that let Timerman shake his hand. As he was being led away never to be seen again the Muppet said how the F*** did I know he was a crook and a liar where as Yang Jiechi said every F******* knows all Argentines crooks and liars look at what they say over the Falklands.
(93) Cher Isolde
Sep 13th, 2011 - 04:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, correct. Britain has written off Tibet also. They've recognised China's claims over Taiwan & Tibet, in return for Chinese investments and commerce.
The Chinese must be delighted.
l think the British would do a deal with the devil just to get some money.
What an obsession! so deluded! poor things.
so_far, go & whistle Dixie!
Here some info for you, sweetypie…..
Train your mind as you train your body……
http://sinocentric.co.uk/?tag=british-foreign-policy
http://sinocentric.co.uk/?tag=british-foreign-policy
@ 95 so you are crooks and liars Britishpoodle.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sinocentric.co.uk/?tag=british-foreign-policy
sinocentric.co.uk/?category_name=taiwan
When I read comments like yours for one moment I believe that the islanders should be not only sent back to britain but also exterminated, a poison could be used, but then I think, oh well, there are children, babies and they're not guilty. Anyway, the badder will win, both of you are a disgrace.
96
Sep 13th, 2011 - 05:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jesus you are one boring a------e
As for your irrelevant links - well I nearly gave up the will to live.
Is this a cunning Argentine plan to bore us all to death?
Always remember we retain the nuclear option and are perfectly willing to send the professional Blair Bore and the Tedious Billyband amateurs to Argyland on tour.
@ 98 irrelevant links? irrelevant??? those links shows that you are crooks and liars, those links are RELEVANT!!!
Sep 13th, 2011 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then again, I read your comment and I start to believe that you all deserve to be exterminated. Your comment talking about “nuclear option” what a disgrace of human flesh you are people. I believe one day you'll find what you are looking for, you don't want peace, it's obvious that you don't know what peace is. You are not serious.
99
Sep 13th, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0hahahahahahaha
You stupid tosser.
99 xbarilox----- The links are only blogs you silly masturbater and as such are totally irrelevant. As for your silly comment about us not wanting peace all of us want peace we are just showing you that if Argentina even thinks of doing the dirty again we have the option of blasting it to kingdom come. Its not us who are having orgasms over a few Islands that we call the Falklands its Argentina who knows full well that they have never had any claim over them but continues to tell out and out lies to everyone who will listen in the world. What a despicable bunch of Latin strutting morons most of you are.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now get this into your thick stupid heads we British have nothing to negotiate about unless you want to be British and have Britain run your Country for you, we can negotiate about that if you want. Lets face all of you would be better off financially and we could in a matter of a very short time get your inflation down to an acceptable level and once we take over you will actually become a respectable country one that people of influence will take serious.
So how about it shall we start talking or in your despicable country's language negotiate over sovereignty? Thought not so F of and come back when you have something sensible to say.
As I read it, I thought the #98 'nuclear option' was to send Tony Blair to Argentina to bore you to death back.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0;-)
@ 101 Britishbulldog
Sep 13th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would agree that there is NOTHING we should negotiate over as Argentine sovereign is non negotiable and claim over our las malvinas is based on papal bull of 1493 and this recognized also by king and queen of Spain which they use to make South America part of their empire, with exception of Brazil which as soon as we have las malvinas and TDF will mean nothing to no one as we will be the dominate nation in Latin America.
I do not see how you can agree with papal bull!
You know, its almost believable, if not for the fact we know Argentina lives in fantasy land and has a history of deceit and lying,
Sep 13th, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did you read the very small print?
We will protect our trade and use all military means to protect the soyer beans, china’s farts, argentine smells,
Unbelievable, thank god they are not in charge, these guy would have you believe their master is a goddess instead of a deluded lunatic, lolol
She is the former wife of a whore who sold Argentina down the river, she is also a whore, she is turning Argentina homosexual.
Sep 13th, 2011 - 07:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But soon our military will remove her and she will disapear like all those socialistas did!!! The next time we will not stop at las mavlinas, we will retake over Tierra del Fuego and Urugay!
yes flippo and when you have removed everybody and their is no one left, you that can start on removing yourself,
Sep 13th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0perhaps you might even put your self in with her,
then you can spend the rest of your life explaining to her, why you are being so rude to her ?
Good in here tonight isn't it?
Sep 13th, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0105 Filippo, “las mavlinas”
Sep 13th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brit, can you get right for once?
Let me help you:
L a s M a l v i n a s
Got it?
Good.
Lol Marcos :)
Sep 13th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The new word Urugay ..... Priceless
No se que pensaran del otro lado del charco
:-)
Sep 14th, 2011 - 03:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@96Think,
Sep 14th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are at it again, have you no imagination, man?
You had better start paying me to be your ghost writer!
l think l am begining to prefer Marcos to you.
Apart from the milk add at least he is more original than your offerings.
l didn't know that we had abandoned Tibet. That is disgusting. What a spineless shower of politicians. The same type that betrayed Czechoslovakia in 1938 & the same scumbags that were going to hand the Falklands to Argentina's tender mercies in the 1960's.
l haven't much time for politicians.
Glad you told so_far to clear out! Maybe you're coming around to our way of thinking at last!
And l'm not your sweetypie, my mind & body are well trained.
Isolde, Please, I don't want to get in the middle of your marital dispute :-)
Sep 14th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrTBlV-FGbc
108 Marcos Alejandro ,,,,i thought you guys were educated,
Sep 14th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0every schoolboy knows that the translation of L a s M a l v i n a s
is BRITISH FALKLANDS, lol
“our las malvinas is based on papal bull of 1493”
Sep 16th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Filippo. So how do you explain your claim to South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands? Under that papal bull you mention, they were given to Portugal...
Where are is the text of this 3 page joint statement?
Sep 16th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Come on, guys, dig deep.
I think you will find that it is a myth, like the rg bloggers .
Sep 16th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@114
Sep 16th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they were given to Portugal...” Bingo !! so it will be easier to get those Islands from Portugal than from you all !! :-))
We inherited all claims to these islands by right.
Sep 16th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GOD HAS GIVEN IT TO US!
Portugal has no Empire, British is the only colonial left in world with territory claimed outside of national waters.
These islands are closer to Argentina than any other country, therefore by proximity they are Argentine.
We also have a larger population and so without British military, UN, EU, NATO and US, you islands would have no means to defend yourselves and you would all be dispatched!
No, Briton,
Sep 16th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Joint Declaration was signed by both the Chinese and the Argentinians, so it is an Official Document of Major Importance.
Frequently cited, but never inspected;
does it speak in platitudes or in substance?
It is surely in Argentina's interests to place its details in the public domain.
This document according to my father is similar to the one signed between Germany and Russia before WW2. So you PIRATES should be worried because you remember what happened to Poland!
Sep 17th, 2011 - 12:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0We're a bit worried about you, Filippo. Are they treating you alright in there? Do you need anything? Are you getting enough sleep?
Sep 17th, 2011 - 10:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind, dear boy,l'm sure the Doctors know best.
119 GeoffWard2
Sep 17th, 2011 - 04:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im aware of that, what im saying is,
i dont think the caim of argentina was mentioned,
in some countries of the west, you have [freedom of information act]
in china or argentina you do not, and he is well aware of this fact,
theirfore the chanses of you or anyone else seeing this document is zero,
as it will not be in the public domain, unless you know different,
I have the Chinese record of the diplomtic meeting (15 July 2010) and exchange of promises between CFK and her Chinese counterpart:
Sep 17th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.china.org.cn/world/2010-07/15/content_20502017.htm
Nowhere, explicitly or implicitly, is there any mention of Chinese support for the Argentinian position on the Falkands issue, or indeed any other land/EEZ ownership issue.
Timerman is exposed as a liar and a charlatan.
Most politicians are liars.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0China, Argentina sign series of agreements
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.china.org.cn/world/2010-07/14/content_20493392.htm
this was at the bottom of the next page,
Hu said China would promote dialogue and communications with regional organizations in Latin America in a bid to facilitate China-Latin America relations.
In the three-page joint statement, China reiterated its support for Argentina's sovereignty claim to the Malvinas Islands, and restarting relevant negotiations and seeking a peaceful solution to the issue in accordance with UN resolutions.
Argentina said it would follow the one-China policy and support the peaceful development of relations across the Taiwan Strait and China's endeavor for national reunification
You was saying
.
I do not wish to belong to the Chinese Empire and more than I wish to belong to the American Empire.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0if President Cristina Fernandez
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0carries on like this
you may have no choice,
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