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Chilean mayor trip to the ‘Falklands’ causes major uproar in Tierra del Fuego
Tierra del Fuego provincial authorities in the extreme south of Argentina confirmed they would not be participating Sunday in Chile’s 201 independence anniversary in protest over statements from a local mayor who referred to the Malvinas Islands as Falkland Islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesI don't find this news worthy. I hope Mercopress will someday develop a sense of proportion and stop reporting every single little shit pertaining to the FI. The Mercosur area is thousands of times larger than the FI yet it gets far less coverage when there's much more relevant stuff going on.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0But nobody comments on anything else :-)
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Did you know that Juan Perón tried to 'buy the Islands in 1953 ??
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1945-1959/
1 Forgetit87
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0It might not be newsworthy, but it has made my morning. Absoluteley hilarious.
I hope the mayor keeps his balls and continues to fail to 'comply'. I look forward to meeting him in the Falkland Islands.
This man is a traitor to Argentina! He is the son of pirates.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think maybe he disappear soon! May he go on trip to las malvinas but maybe he never arrive.
This is news because in Argentina all we think about is las malvinas. Our society is so strong here, freedom of speech is not something we believe in. Even those in other countries can not have this speech in regard las malvinas! It is something we insist on!
Some people outside Argentina believe we are suffering from some kind of psychosis in relation to our regard for las malvinas but it is our passion that dives us every waking day to ensure that NO ONE IN WHOLE OF LATIN AMERICA AND WORLD USES WORD FOR FALKLANDS OTHER THAN LAS MALVINAS!!!!! IT IS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH THAT WE ENSURE THIS IS SO!!!!
Time to disappear this traitor!!!!
Shut up, Typhoon, you sick fool.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0So we see the bullying tactics of Argentina in regards to the Falklands. WTF has it got to do with any person in Argentina what some citizen from Chile says and does what a bunch of low life dickheads but that's Argentina for you the clowns of all of South America that the whole world laughs at. They are so obsessed with the Falklands that has never and never will belong to them that she makes herself look a complete idiot at every opportunity or when ever she opens her mouth on the subject. We are a bit short of comedy programs on the box in the UK I suggest that we get a camera crew down South to make a good comedy program involving Argentines they are born comedians.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0God how paranoic and pathetic Argentines are!!!! Many many Chileans in the south refer to the Islas Falklands - its a fact - get used to it! In the north where there are little direct personaland trade links they use the words Islas Malvinas! So what!!
Sep 17th, 2011 - 01:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilean and Uruguyan and Brazilian Govts use the English name in official Govt International Customs documents.
Get used to it and stop being so pathetic!
Why would Peron try to buy The Falklands??? Didn't the Pope give it to them? Maybe he stuffed up the paperwork... no clear title etc....
Sep 17th, 2011 - 01:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And why would Chilean in the south have any time for the thieving RGs..?... they feel much the same as the Falkland Islanders...
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Sep 17th, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I´m Chilean, and so as any of my countrymen, I can express whatever I want about the South Atlantic islands were the people who is living there are british descendants, have their own Constitution, their own money, their own Gvt. and specially their own way of life on a territory owned by the UK from 17th century.....
Sep 17th, 2011 - 01:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WTF the Argentines believes that they can say us how we can speak or not.....we are a independient country with free speech, the Mayor involved as well as any Chilean can express as they fell about the islands.....some will use Islas Malvinas and the most will use tha Falklands Islands but no one from Argentina can ask for apologies from us and if our Gvt. do so it´s a hughe error because we don´t pay obey to our neighbours, so.......
FALKLANDS ISLANDS, GO AHEAD.......FOREVER !!!!!!
You, as always, will have our friendship and help.....we have had a long term relationship and it will remain so on, despite foreing interferences.
Filippo, don't forget to leave some of that medication to Mr Vega too.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 Forgetit87 Shut up, Typhoon, you sick fool.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong again, dozy. I'm over here. But as we see from the comment @4, Argentines are truly sick people. Just look at this prick's comment “This man is a traitor to Argentina!” This difficult as he is Chilean. “I think maybe he disappear soon!” Aaaah. Typical Argentine threats. Be careful, Filippo, it may be you that gets to disappear. Can you swim? I understand that stepping out of an aircraft over the River Plate is a popular Argentine disappearing trick.
“This is news because in Argentina all we think about is las malvinas. Our society is so strong here, freedom of speech is not something we believe in. Even those in other countries can not have this speech in regard las malvinas! It is something we insist on!” We thought this might be the case. Over here in the UK we can think of several things. But it does explain your inability to grow up. By the way, I don't think you can tell the people of other countries what to do. Someone might decide to drop a bomb on you.
I'm glad to see that the name of OUR Falkland Islands is a matter of life and death for you. Falkland Islands are British. Falkland Islands are free. Falkland Islands are British. Falkland Islands are free. Falkland Islands will never belong to Argentina. Argentina will never own the Falkland Islands.
Have you died yet? Don't forget to save this comment to somewhere where you can read it every day. Until you're old and grey. Sorry, I forgot it's life and death to you. No old and grey for you. Just a hole in the ground.
TWIMC
Sep 17th, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I’ll have to repeat my comment No. 9 deleted by the editor..............
”(3) Monty96
The size of the ”Balls” of Mr. Matus is directly proportional to the ”paybacks” the British offer him.
Luckily, The right Chilean authorities have already taken swift, proper and correct action on this matter…..:
http://www.dialogosur.cl/declaraciones-del-alcalde-cabo-de-hornos-generan-polemica-al-manifestar-su-intencion-de-viajar-a-las-%E2%80%9Cislas-falkland%E2%80%9D/
Nasty Mercopress is now suppressing debate?
Sep 17th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 Thank you, Sergio. Should you get the opportunity to pass a message to Sr. Matuus, I'm sure you won't mind passing on the appreciation of Britain and the Falkland Islands for his intelligence and sanity. I'm sure the Royal Navy will express similar appreciation when it next calls.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sergio,
Sep 17th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your country will defend to the death your right to speak freely in the face of Argentinian pressure for you to use their words.
Unfortunately, Argentina may demand, through Unasur, that all Chileans - indeed, all South Americans and other Carribean and Central American countries - use the term demanded by Argentina.
Such is the political and politicised nature of an umbrella organisation - Unasur is able to DO very little, and the little it can do is to get members to tow the line when it comes to terminology.
So your Mayor will have to Kow Tow to Argentina or will be sacked, and humiliated for being a 'bad South American'.
Contemplate, however, how much worse the 'politically correct speak' might be were Chavez fit, well and in control of Unasur.
Be thankful it is only Argentina that is threatening Chile; Chavez might have deployed the united armed forces of Unasur - you know, the ones that recently practiced their integrated massed war games in Buenos Aires.
Filippo, Conqueror, Typhoon IS very active today, what a fool.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is the visit from this unknown major funded by the British colonial Gov,?
Not really a surprise, they fund a news site thousands of km away.
The Americans call them Malvinas and they did not apologize.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/60697,news-comment,news-politics,britain-protested-over-us-officials-malvinas-barb-falkland-islands-argentina
#4 Filippo “NO ONE IN WHOLE OF LATIN AMERICA AND WORLD USES WORD FOR FALKLANDS OTHER THAN LAS MALVINAS!!!!! ”
Sep 17th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Afrikaans- Falkland Eilande
Azerbaijani- Falkland adaları
Belarussian- Фолклендскую выспы (Folklendskuyu Viyspiy)
Breton- inizi Falkland
Bulgarian- Фолкландските острови (Folklandskitye Ostrovi)
Croatian- Falklandski Otoci
Czech- Falklandské ostrovy
Danish- Falklandsøerne
Estonian- Falklandi saared
Finnish- Falklandinsaaret
German- Falkland Inseln
Hungarian- Falkland-szigetek
Indonesian- Kepulauan Falkland
Irish- Oileáin Fháclainne
Eyetie- Isole Falkland
Latvian- Folklenda salu
Lithuanian- Falklando salos
Macedonian- Фолкландски Острови (Folklandski Ostrovi)
Maltese- Gżejjer Falkland
Norweigian- Falklandsøyene
Polish- Falklandy
Romanian- Insulele Falkland
Russian- Фолклендские острова (Folklendskie Ostrova)
Serbian- Фокландска острва (Foklandska Ostrova)
Slovak- Falklandské ostrovy
Slovenian- Falklandski otoki
Swedish- Falklandsöarna
Turkish- Falkland Adaları
Ukrainian- Фолклендські острови (Folklendski Ostrovi)
Vietnamese- Quần đảo Falkland
Welsh- Ynysoedd Falkland
No-one, eh? Only about half the world's population.
@SamSalzman
Sep 17th, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0One can't even believe you made yourself compile all those names. Did it take too much time copying from wikipedia articles' titles? Be that as it may, Filippo is Typhoon, a British user. He purposely says moronic and uninformed stuff so other British users can refute him and thus appear to be winning the discussion over an “Argentine”. Yeah, he's got issues.
Copy into Word,……. search ”Falklands”,….. replace with ”Malvinas”,…..copy into Mercopresss comment section……… About 30 seconds.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Afrikaans- Malvinas Eilande
Azerbaijani- Malvinas adaları
Belarussian- Фолклендскую выспы (Malvinaskuyu Viyspiy)
Breton- inizi Malvinas
Bulgarian- Фолкландските острови (Malvinaskitye Ostrovi)
Croatian- Malvinaski Otoci
Czech- Malvinaské ostrovy
Danish- Malvinasøerne
Estonian- Malvinasi saared
Finnish- Malvinasinsaaret
German- Malvinas Inseln
Hungarian- Malvinas-szigetek
Indonesian- Kepulauan Malvinas
Irish- Oileáin Malvinas
Eyetie- Isole Malvinas
Latvian- Malvinas salu
Lithuanian- Malvinaso salos
Macedonian- Фолкландски Острови (Malvinaski Ostrovi)
Maltese- Gżejjer Malvinas
Norweigian- Malvinasøyene
Polish- Malvinasy
Romanian- Insulele Malvinas
Russian- Фолклендские острова (Malvinaskie Ostrova)
Serbian- Фокландска острва (Malvinaska Ostrova)
Slovak- Malvinasské ostrovy
Slovenian- Malvinasski otoki
Swedish- Malvinasöarna
Turkish- Malvinas Adaları
Ukrainian- Фолклендські острови (Malvinaski Ostrovi)
Vietnamese- Quần đảo Malvinas
Welsh- Ynysoedd Malvinas
Chuckle chuckle™
Sorry for this poor man. Chile has already requested the apology of the case.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Propose to call their community Puerto Perú. Chuckle chuckle
“Did you know that Juan Perón tried to 'buy the Islands in 1953 ??”
There is nothing wrong with it... ;-)
@14 Debate? When did Argentines ever debate? Now here's a question for your erudition? Without referring to any other source, give an acceptable definition of the word “debate”. Make sure that you indicate whether you are defining the noun or the verb. Do you know the difference between a noun and a verb? As a matter of interest, why do you come on here? Surely there must be some fawning, sycophantic, truthless, intellectually-challenged Argentine site down at your level that you could go to?
Sep 17th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@17 You still don't get it, do you? I am many people. It's a conundrum. But you haven't got it right yet. Not that I'm likely to tell you if you do.
@20 What a dummy. You have as much chance of getting the world to call OUR Islands by your fantasy name as the palestinian terrorists have of gaining full membership of the UN. You remember the UN, don't you? It's that organisation you go punting your avaricious, fatuous, mendacious claims to but ignore when what it says doesn't suit you. Such a nastly little bunch of hypocrites!
Boy
Sep 17th, 2011 - 06:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amazing what brings the argies out in a rampant rage,
Because a man who is clearly not indoctrinated, and freely elected, by freedom loving people, said what he wanted to say,
Does this not prove once and for all, exactly what Argentina is really like,
Do as we say or else, the Chilean government so quickly to say sorry,
But boy does this not tell you the difference between freedom and a dictatorship,
And if Argentina ever got hold of the Falklands, god help them,
Long live the British Falklands, and all the argie bogglers against them can zip there lips in disgrace,
May the union jack creep even further over the south Atlantic,
Argie bogglers , my arse, indoctrinated fools maybe .
.
@22 “I am many people”
Sep 17th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not really, you are the same fool with personality disorder.
Love the way Argies are “democratic” and have “freedom of speech” but only when it suits them... bunch of fascist, racist idiots!
Sep 17th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just think, there may be only three of us on the Mercopress posting sites:
Sep 17th, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Me - I KNOW I exist,
A South American in many guises, responding to
A Brit/FI poster in his/her many guises.
No . . . . . surely not !
Can anyone tell me what action Chile have taken in their “support” of Argentina? No?
Sep 17th, 2011 - 08:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0OK! Can anyone tell me what action any other nation in the world has done to prevent the oil exploration that is happening is the FI?
I know of some countries that are profiting out of it, namely Brazil, Panama, Singapore, USA and Norway.
Looks like we are getting the actual support, fine by me :-)
Arf Arf!
Can anyone tell me how is Urinehopper water exploration doing?
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/detail?code=cotn:RKH.L&display=chart&it=le
@20
Sep 17th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0well done think, bet you you feel better for that
if only getting the Falklands was that easy :-))))))))
With all the respect to the people of Argentina, but the Arg government will not succeed in prohibiting people in Chile to call the Falkland Islands for their official name. Argentina has recently supported the Bolivian claims for a sovereign access to the Pacific via Chilean Territory, why should we give a f*ck on your crying for an island that you don't even possess / own, in oposite to our coastal territory in the north, which you would like to see as bolivian soil... where is the balance/rationality here?
Sep 17th, 2011 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Manuel, you and Sergio can call Malvinas whatever you like but keep in mind that you are becoming a minority in your country, at the same time we can have our own opinion about Bolivia-Chile territorial dispute.
Sep 17th, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gobernador Cárcamo, recordó que “el Sr. Alcalde es una persona elegida por un segmento de la población y que no necesariamente interpreta el sentir del pueblo chileno”.
Governor Cárcamo, reminded that “The Mayor is a person chosen by a segment of the population and do not necessarily interpret the opinions of the Chilean people”
Governor Carcamo
(Originally posted by Mr Think)
http://www.dialogosur.cl/declaraciones-del-alcalde-cabo-de-hornos-generan-polemica-al-manifestar-su-intencion-de-viajar-a-las-%E2%80%9Cislas-falkland%E2%80%9D/
@Typhoon
Sep 17th, 2011 - 11:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't you think I'll be engaging in discussion with you. “Fool”, “batshit insane”, “sick”, “juvenile”, “weirdo” are the only words that should be directed to you whenever you come up with your repellent rhetoric. You're demented and a troll.
The official name is the Malvinas Islands, Mercosur, UNASUR, O.E.A.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos writes: Manuel, you and Sergio can call Malvinas whatever you like but keep in mind that you are becoming a minority in your country, at the same time we can have our own opinion about Bolivia-Chile territorial dispute.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0---
For the first point (people in Chile tend to call the Malvinas more and more), can you show a proof or statistic on that, or is it only hot air / wishful thinking?
For the second point: I fully agree with you! Of course you can have your own opinion about the bolivian claim and it is totally clear for me that you are also another one of the Argentines backing Bolivia in that aspect (acutually I have rarely EVER seen an Argentine agreeing on the Chilean point of view, not based on rationality, but rather resentment. But you know what, I never DEMANDED Argentinians to agree on the Chilean point of view regarding the Bolivian issue, nor does Chile officially demand Argentina to do so. We have enough right to defend our own position. You are an independent nation and can side whoever you want... but then please lets stop hypocracy about that we (people) should support your aspiration. Just keep us out of your own internal issues and be less pathetic and whiny. Thank you.
@ Marcos Alejandro
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why should we be the only country in the world to insist that we call another territory a name no one else uses? It is not that we own las malvinas / Falkland Islands.
The people who live there and have lived there for over 177 years should be the ones who have the choice over what they call their land not us. By insisting the world call the Falkland Islands, las malvinas is childish. I have always found our claim to these islands to be a ridiculous distraction used by our self imposed leaders to deflect from their failures. Look at the war of 1982, we had an unelected military junta, that was killing our own people, some my family! Meanwhile to deflect attention from growing unrest, they launched an invasion of las malvinas.
Look at the way our government treated our veterans. They were abused by their officers, left to starve in frozen trenches, punished and torchered in front of their comrades, then pushed out in front of the officers to attack.
I am not the only Argentine to think this way. A growing number of Argentines are fed up with the government and have no interest at all in las malvinas. But for the uneducated and the stupid nationalists who rally to the flag everytime it is waved in their faces they believe this is the issue that will change the country.
There is no way Argentina will ever possess these islands, regardless of their name. We made the mistake of destroying any hope in 1982 when we forced our way into these peoples homes at the end of a gun. The same guns used by our government to force their way into our own peoples homes, abducting our sons, brothers and sisters, never to be seen again.
The whole subject of las malvianas disgusts me. The same people who lost their sons, to the same coward government responsible for abducting them, torchering them and dumbing them in some unmarked hole in the ground were the same people cheering the invasion in '82. This is nonsense!
“ ... powers are devolved to the elected Governments of the settled territories to the maximum extent possible consistent with the UK retaining powers necessary to discharge our sovereign responsibilities ….when a decade of constitutional revision is coming to a close, the time is not right to embark on further constitutional change. Rather our strategy is to ensure the constitutional arrangements work effectively to promote the best interests of the territories and of the UK. ..”
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0AND of the UK :-)
The British Government is setting out its stall and attending the UN next week!
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/william-hague-statement-on-overseas-territories/
Aren't I a stirrrer :-)
@34, Manuel, Believe me I met a lot of Chileans, more than you can imagine, and I never heard a single one calling the islands with another name other than Malvinas. About my opinion about the Bolivian-Chilean territorial dispute, please don't assume things based on my nationality.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@37
Sep 18th, 2011 - 05:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0there is no dispute Marcos, Chile stole Antofagasta and that's a fact!!
(36) Yes Mr. Hoyt, you’re a stirrer……….
Sep 18th, 2011 - 05:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0And a damn good one......
As a matter of fact you are the best stirrer on the Argentinean side.
A few good words from you obliterate the illusion so many Brits and Kelpers in here try to create about Malvinas being self governing, autonomous, independent or whatever.
The Malvinas Islands are, as we both know, just a spearhead for British pretenses in the South Atlantic.
Our only disagreement is about the properness of such pretenses.....
Think, you & Marcos are pathetic.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 05:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0l don't care what you call us, we know they are the Falkland lslands.
Trying your bully-boy tactics on the Chileans now, are we?
As l said, pathetic. You'll never get these lslands & you know that.
Why don't you channel some of that energy into a worthwhile cause?
Your obsession with the Falklands is like flogging a dead horse.
l think you will die, bitter & twisted. So sad. Peace.
Your Comment@38 Artillero - Your facts are fiction! Bolivia lost Antofagasta in the war. At the crucial battle, where I believe the Peruvians and Bolivians arranged to execute a pincer movement on the Chilean Army, but the Bolivians got lost, or were to afraid to front up – not that that would have probably made much difference - and the Peruvians had their butts kicked. The Bolivians went home, leaving their semi-literate President – the ex sergeant who had shot his way to power, to rue things. Not that it would have mattered or hurt much – no brain, no pain!
Sep 18th, 2011 - 05:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0The political/business side of events leading up to the hostilities is interesting too – replete with behind the back agreements, chicanery, greed and broken promises all the way – Way to Go, Bolivia and Peru! You thoroughly deserved what you got!
It was in the War of the Pacific that it became apparent that the Chileans excelled in the use of the bayonet, a fact that their enemies were never to forget. If there is ever any more aggro on the Falklands, perhaps the Chilean government would be kind enough to lend some infantry to spell the Gurkhas – the opportunity to needle a bit of RG butt should delight them.
Whinging and whining in a non-factual manner about unrelated events is hardly conducive to the thread of the debate going on here, either...
Get a life!!!
Isolde
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ohhhh, I wish you can read the Punta Arenas article above and the comments of the Chilean Governor Carcamo, thank you Mr Governor!
(40) Isolde, my Cher petite youngish British squatterette with the big black gun and a deep love for gold….
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t think for a second that I don’t understand your own ” obsession” with the Malvinas Islands….
You chose to live there……….
But, taking in consideration your cosmopolite past; (Russian/French diaspora child, English born, lived in the Philippines, Papua New Guinea and god knows where else) you should have known better....................................
I still have sporadic contact with some “de Beers” Boer guys that tried to lure me to ZA in my green youth.
They are not living there anymore.
Amandla, my nomad sister…………
Marcos - RKH are doing just fine! About to spud a new well with a CPR to be issued early next year.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0How are Argentina doing getting actual support?
I still have sporadic contact with some “de Beers” Boer guys that tried to lure me to ZA in my green youth
Sep 18th, 2011 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The primary driver for emigration among all groups, but especially whites, who still retain the majority of South Africa's wealth, is fear of crime. With more than 50 killings a day, South Africa has one of the highest per capita murder rates in the world. The same goes for rape—ranking the country alongside conflict zones such as Sierra Leone, Colombia and Afghanistan. Future Fact polling indicates that more than 95 percent of those eager to leave South Africa rate violent crime as the single most important factor affecting their thinking. Lynette Chen, the ethnic-Chinese CEO of Nepad Business Group, is the only member
(26) Geoff..................
Sep 18th, 2011 - 07:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do we know we exist?
Or do we think we exist?
Do we think to know we exist?
Or do we know to think we exist?
Hey, Fillipo (4 above) Strange you should say that you don't believe in free speech, but have the temerity to exercise it here. Are you an Argentinian who can tango and goose-step at the same time.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0A cheap shot from me. My apologies. Tell us about the country you live in; the parts you really love. Please speak freely- you country allows it.
Think - I can stir in all directions :-)
Sep 18th, 2011 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.psa.ac.uk/journals/pdf/5/2011/1274_685.pdf
Aren't a range of views refreshing ?
I still have sporadic contact with some “de Beers” Boer guys that tried to lure me to ZA in my green youth.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 08:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a pity Think. Your xenophobic talents could of been of used to great effect
South Africa fears new wave of violence against foreignersTownship killings and attacks on shops raise pressure on President Jacob Zuma to act
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/05/south-africa-violence-foreigners
Xenophobia in South Africa
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/05/south-africa-violence-foreigners
(47) Room101
Sep 18th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just for your info………………..
As most of the British and Argentinean bloggers in here know, Mr. Fillipo is a British troll posing as a deranged Argentinean.
Now you know…..Feel free to deconstruct his silly arguments if that makes feel better.
El Think
(102% Argentinean)
(48) Hoyt
Refreshing views?
Your link is just ”Old wine in new bottles” mate.................................
That was Argentina’s policy prior 1982.
That was Argentina’s policy during the 1990’s.
Didn’t work because Britain has other intentions with the Region.
And the Region does not like those intentions.
Capisce?
Hello Think.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes- it does make me feel better.
#13 I think Mercopress was enforcing copyright as someone posted the entire article.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 10:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I observe that free speech and respect for democracy is lacking. What business is it of Argentina that the Mayor of a town in another country uses the common local Spanish name Las Islas Falkland. Chile would do better to resist the extra-judicial pressure from Argentina strangling free speech.
Las Islas Falkland is still in common use, it was so common it was used in Argentine text books till the 1930s.
@43Think,
Sep 18th, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 01) l don't live in the malv... whatever that place is.
2) l am half British by blood & a British citizen by nationality.
3) l like gold but l don't have a deep love for it Cher Think.
4) You forgot lndonesia.
5) l am not a“squatterette”.
Not too much of what you said is correct, my deeear little Andean squatter. But, peace anyway.
Think - just as well the Region isn't capable of doing anything about it then !
Sep 18th, 2011 - 11:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never has been :-)
@37 Marcos Alejandro' Manuel, Believe me I met a lot of Chileans (sic), more than you can imagine, and I never heard a single one calling the islands with another name other than Malvinas. ”
Sep 18th, 2011 - 11:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well maybe thats because they know that you are an RG parrot who would play the girlie card and throw a hissy fit if they said 'FALKLANDS'.....
I've met far more Chileans than you even know exist who have always used the word 'FALKLANDS' when speaking with me......
So there....
The mayor of Puerto Williams has more to fear from CONAF than you fascist wankers......
Oh .. and you can buy butter in Williams.... nice Irish butter...
@53Isolde,
Sep 18th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Yes you do live in the Malvinas Islands.
2) You are English by birth & Slavic/Saxon by breed.
3) You luuuuuv gold..... more than you care to admit, Cher Isolde.
4) Didn't “forget” Indonesia, you never mentioned it.
5) You are indeed a “Squatterette”,............. a sojourning one.
Nice Sunday to you too................
54 you have to buy the irish butter in Chile....your motherland doesnt bring it to you by their regular planes service??
Sep 18th, 2011 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Never mind, you should eat, dress, wash your hair, dry your hair, make colour to your hair, wear shoes and bags, dress your house (curtains, furniture) with products of your motherland, because you are part of EU .. in some remote and inhospite islands of SA.
in some remote and inhospite islands of SA.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
http://www.falklandislands.com/contents/view/194/what-to-do/food/eating-out-in-stanley
IT IS TIME TO IGNORE THIS THINK.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HE DOES NOT THINK HE HAS NO BRAIN.
HE IS ANGLO ARGENTINE WHO WORK FOR INTELLIGENCE SERVICE!
HE IS A TRAITOR TO ARGENTINA.
Why do all the Argentines on here read like fascists? People who want to take possession of other peoples land, without their consent, people who insist on a name being used for the Falklands, that no one who lives there wants to use! People who seem to believe that they have a right over other people who want nothing to do with them.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In fact the Argentines on here don't just read like fascists, they read like a bunch of lunatics divorced from the reality of the real world. It is the 21st century guys, your world ended in 1945! They are also all male. Not a single female poster from Argentina, I wonder why?
Jo
(55) Frank the Yank
Sep 18th, 2011 - 12:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Apparently, Frank needs to share with us that he bought some Butt-tear in Puerto Williams last year............., some nice creamy Irish Butt-tear.
What a pervy, smutty Yank you are Frank................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twMoqc-8U1Q&feature=related
@41
Sep 18th, 2011 - 01:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dr Who?? ( and I'm not talking about the BBC program) repeat after me 100 times : Chile stole Antofagasta from Bolivia !!! and I actually I have a life moron and if you want me to show you how to use a kukri , just call me and I will insert one in your stupid ass .... :-)))
@54 Red,
A guy that uses spinners in his truck, doesn't have to explain anything to nobody ... lol!!
@62 Easy Pomi, today is church day :-) More respect, remember he is a Doctor :-)
Sep 18th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 057 malen, Frank the Yank doesn't need butter for that :-)
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/16/dramatic-increase-of-intermarriage-between-whites-and-blacks-shows-us-census#comments
(60) lost1
Sep 18th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why do all the Anglos on here read like fascists? People who took possession of other peoples land, without their consent, people who insist on a name being used for the Malvinas, that no one who lives here wants to use! People who seem to believe that they have a right over other people who want nothing to do with them.
In fact the Anglos on here don't just read like fascists, they read like a bunch of lunatics divorced from the reality of the real world. It is the 21st century guys, your Empire ended in 1945!
Every story has, at least, two sides boy…………................................
El Think
@63 :-))))))))))
Sep 18th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0what are the bayonets and Gurkhas have to do with poor Mayor Hugo Henriquez Matus visiting Malvinas? what kind of Doctor is he? Moronic Affairs ??? Chile se afano Antofagasta y punto. Dr Carrizal, remember '78??
57 correction your motherland doesnt bring (the butter) in your regular aeroplanes service??
Sep 18th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I dont see how much difference can it have an irish butter with a chilean butter that is from an agricola ganadera region..Frank
#19 Forgetit
Sep 18th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually it took about four minutes to click through the languages on Google translate and copy and paste them onto there.
#20 Think
Just a quick observation, you need to learn your Cyrillic.
Russian- Фолклендские острова (which you say is Malvinaskie Ostrova) is an example. Actually, that is not pronounced that way. It is pronounces “Folklendskiye Ostrova”. As are all the other cyrillic ones. If you don't believe me, look at an alphabet key.
(67)SamSalzman
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You read like a nice intelligent Jewish boy.....
Don't waste your time on turnipy British Trolls.......
More than enough authentic deranged people in here.....
Have fun
El Think
Time to ignore Filippo, the implanted Italian posing as an Argentine (who could not hack it in Canada).
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@32 Hello, droopy prick. Any more sh*t comments I can ignore. Wan*er.
Sep 18th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@33 Sh*thead.
@39 Pr*ck
@43 Another pr*ck
@56 A south American sh*t. Not surprising. the whole of the east coast of South America is sh*t.
@59 Look what I just posted. PR*CKS.
@60 They read like fascists and lunatics..... Because they are fascists and lunatics. Or psychotics. Intellectually challenged. Indistinguishable from monkeys. Monkeys. Intellectually challenged monkeys. Brain-dead semi-primates.
@67 Oh, look. Twinky's been proved to be an illiterate. Anyone surprised?
By the way, anybody got any idea how many fully-armed submarines Britain has in the South Atlantic? Is it a good idea to upset such a country?
ITS Sunday, day of peace, mmmm
Sep 18th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But on the Boggs its war as usual, lol.
Its nice to see the south Americans go at each other,
Less supports for Argentina,, why any other country would even contemplate support is idiotic at the very least, do these countries not know that aiding and abetting is a crime,
And moving on, thinky,,, the British may well have future intentions in the Antarctic,
We all know this is where very profitable minerals are sitting,
If and when that day ever comes, the British will be in a prime place to take control,
Not to near, but far enough away not to be bothered, Argentina on the other hand is far to exposed in the Antarctic, and ready for takeover, when that day comes, the likes of, china-Russia France-
And other European countries, the USA and India, and the UK, all ready to go south, perhaps even brazil, will be their, but one very important fact stands out, even to the most silly of us,
That Argentina will not be their, and will probably lose everything, in the south Atlantic,
[and why] because of her undying obsession with the Falklands, is destroying her own country,
But they are far to indoctrinated to notice, until its to late, wake up, leave the Falklands alone, and concentrate on your own country before you lose it,
[just a thought lads, just a thought ]
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@70
Sep 18th, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0T, relax man. Everybody gets along here. Peace !
@ 62
Sep 18th, 2011 - 07:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You and who else? – the entire RG army? – what a joke!
@65
My point exactly – nuffink – nada – zilch… The Chilean Mayor has every right to call those Atlantic rocks what he likes, and visit them, if he likes, without being harangued by a bunch of maggots like you. And that has nothing to do with Bolivia losing Antofagasta, especially when they were too stupid to be able to find the battle ground, or too cowardly to do so, or a combination of both.
And, FYI, in ’78 Antofagasta was only a fishing village – only after the war, and its development (paid for by British & Chilean Companies), did the town actually rise to any significance – and now the Bolivians and their brown-nosing sycophants are claiming they were ripped off… Hellooo!!!
What you should devote your twisted creative talents to is the fact that Texas and the virtually all the rest of the SW USA was illegally sold by a corrupt dictator who was on his way to live it up in exile in Paris. And then all the seppos say “We’ve got the receipt – it was a legitimate deal!” No doubt you’d join in…
There’s no doubt you are a sub-moron, but then that would make you a hypocrite also.
While you’re at it, you could also start a campaign for the Seppos to return the states of Oregon and Washington to their rightful owner too…
#68
Sep 18th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sadly you're mistaken- I'm not Jewish.
69 J.A. Roberts “Time to ignore Filippo, posing as an Argentine ”
Sep 18th, 2011 - 08:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We told you months ago that he is a dumb Brit like you using names as Typhoon, Conqueror and more, you act like you discover America :-))
@73
Sep 18th, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just me , I don't need back up ... so Texas, the Alamo and General Santa Ana are part of the debate ? How about General Houston and James Bowie? You have 2 things against you, you are a chileno and you are a true moron. Case closed
You were the one who started bringing irrelevant stuff into it - I was just wondering where you'd go next... and if we do ever meet - boa sorte, boqueiro
Sep 18th, 2011 - 09:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Think
Sep 19th, 2011 - 01:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe there are two sides to every story but as with the Nazi's your side sounds insane and you sound mad!
Jo
(78) Lost1
Sep 19th, 2011 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0And yet another Anglo Turnip with no valid arguments, using the “Reductio ad Hitlerum”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
Thank’s god for Godwin's law!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum
You ”think” that Great Britain had the right to sail south 14.000 km. in the 19’th. Century, kick out some people of some islands, implant some Brits on those Islands, and now, in the 21’th. Century exploit the natural and mineral resources of millions of square miles of the South Atlantic because of that?
And we are supposed to be the mad ones?
@56 Think,
Sep 19th, 2011 - 04:52 am - Link - Report abuse 01,2 & 3) You presume too much Cher Think. Very little of what you say is so.
4) l have mentioned lndonesia many times, maybe you weren't paying attention or you were thinking along preconceived lines that were not correct.
5) Definitely not a squatterette, l have a legal title to my home.
Late, time for a cocoa(with vodka of course)& bed. Peace.
Hugo Henríquez Matus, the Mayor of Cabo de Hornos was correct in calling them the Falkland Islands because the Malvinas do not exist ! They are not on any map and now Argentina is infecting the whole of the member states of Mercosur and Unasur with its national stupidity and unbelievably.....all these nations have to go along with it and even more unbelievably....they are ! I hope Hugo Henríquez Matus is brave enough to say that he cannot apologise for getting it correct and when he goes to the airport there will be no flight marked up“ Malvinas.” He will be welcome in the Falkland islands because Chile has not put up trading and flight restrictions on a small democratic group of Islands who have a right to self determination.These Islands are where he has true rights to free speech.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 07:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The long and short of all this is that freedom of speech is alive and well, but not in Argentina...
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0British by birth Falkland Islander by Grace of God and there is sod all any Argentina jump up government can do to change THAT but if they want to try then bring it to the ICJ
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0@82 It does appear that the government actively tries to suppress any information that contradicts their version of events.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0But I have to say that the Argentines I meet have an opinion on everything and are more than willing to share it with anyone prepared to listen (for hours and hours, even when you beg them to stop). : ) And rarely do people seem to support the government's version of the truth. They know they are being lied to but seem resigned to the fact that whoever they vote for will be just as corrupt.
Just my experience.
@84 Elaine, that is exactly my experience, except when it comes to the “Malvinas” thing, then almost everyone, with a few rare exceptions, sings from the same sheet, using the same officially sanctioned words, chanting the same myths... heredado de España, robado por “Inglaterra”, Argentinos expulsados etc, etc
Sep 19th, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor deluded souls. Must be easy to get into an argument if you wanted to.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I meet many educated Argentinians and they generally apologise for their mad and corrupt “Government” !
Sep 19th, 2011 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@77
Sep 19th, 2011 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the record, the travel arrangement of Mr Hugo Henriquez Matus is his business and no one else's (that's what I said), second you said ”Bolivia lost Antofagasta in the war. .... that means that Bolivia had it before? so basically doc you are stating that Antofagasta belonged to Bolivia before the war correct?????????? so who is the one introducing irrelevant arguments to the debate? You or William Travis?
As far as I am aware the internationally recognized name for the Falkland Islands is Falkland Islands (Malvinas). The bracketed bit is to acknowledge that Argentina claims the Falklands, no more than that. It doesn't mean at all that Malvinas is the offical name. Check UN paperwork for detail if you wish. So, the mayor from Puerto Williams was not out of step with correct usage at all, just merely using UN adopted name.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@87
Sep 19th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you know what is the right to apologise ? by voting against CFK
Correction : “ right way to apologise”
Sep 19th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a truthful and honest chap. Always liked Chile and their people.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JoJo, the bracket thing ie, Falkland Islands (Malvinas) when referring to them in English and Malvinas (Falkland Islands) when referring to them in Spanish was agreed for internal UN documents at the insistence of the Argentine government. The official name is The Falkland Islands. You can call them what you like in your own language, I shouldn't think any Falkland Islander could care less...
Sep 19th, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@86 Oh, yes! It would be very easy to wind people up but it would defeat the object of my being there. At times I do bite my tough so hard it is a wonder I do not have a permanent lisp. More typically, I really enjoy the company of the people there.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85. I have to say that in general if you can lay out the facts Argentines look shocked and then thoughtful. I leave the thought with them and invite them to research the facts and not rely on nursery rhymes and myths. Never have I experienced the kind of fanatacism displayed on this message board.
Before this election campaign, when TFI's were not mentioned by anyone, I often asked people in Argentina what was the basis of anti-English feeling, if indeed it existed. Most would politely protest that it did not exist but, when pressed, almost without exception it came down to football. Honestly. : )
@92
Sep 19th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0chap = dude ?
The extreme North of Chile belong to us because it was won with the blood of thousands of countrymen that left their life there facing the Peruvian-Bolivian Confederation´s Army which never will forget the “chupilca 'el diablo” when they run back with the Chilean bayonettes caring their arses....while Argentine was supporting them preparing to stole our Patagonia from Rio Negro to South knowing that Chile wouldn´t afford a new war front after a 5 years war against two countries. So, who the pirates are ????
Sep 19th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fortunately, we have free speech here so the name Falklands Islands will continue in use for the most of all as we used to it.....despite the Argentine interference in our political life.....and, yes, the Cape Horns Mayor have big balls....to express what he feels is the correct name of the islands even under the Gvt. pressure. which is totaly wrong supporting the Argentine pretensions because Argentine is supporting the Bolivian claims...again!!!
And, any one remember what the '78 happened ??? What a friendship ......uhh !!! And before with the Desert Lagoon, and before, and before and so on....
Can we be confident with the Argentine friendship ??? Be sure that we aren´t.....
@94 So what you're saying, Elaine, is that people like Twinky are football hooligans?
Sep 19th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@95 No. A chap is half a pairt of chaps. And that's either a garment that you wear over jeans or two guys going into any of the thousands of gay clubs in Buenos Aires.
Yes artillero.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 LOL, no. I am pointing out that unless there is an election looming, then TFI is not relevant to most Argentines. Though, in BsAs in particular, football is always relevant. It must be the Italian influence there. In Italy they say, “You can change your wife; you can change your religion; you can never change your football team”.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By way of an illustration: An Argentine friend of mine offered to set up an interview with Maradona. I thanked her but explained that he wasn't really relevant to my work. She looked at me in amazement and said, “But he is the most famous man in the world!”. : ) Um, not really.
(It made me ponder who is the most famous man in the world and I asked many people who all came up with different names. Eventually I read an article that announced with authority the results of a poll asking that very question. What do you think the answer was?
Simon Cowell! LOL!
@95 Yes, we use 'chap' for man, gentleman, fella etc. People in SoAm always ask me that when I use the word. : )
96 the patagonia wasnt yours.... was of indigenous, we fought against indigenous....when southamerica won freedom from spain every new nation fought for the territory, losing and winning territory
Sep 19th, 2011 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and you were lucky we sent you San Martin to liberate you from Spain, if not you still would be a colony
99 ElaineB
Sep 19th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The most famous person in the World is a football player and Maradona??
Where did you get that?
Nothing compares to your leaders and the Middle East Peace Envoy Tony Blair is on top of that list.
“The present government in the UK started a project a little while ago to measure the 'happiness' of the British public, to see if they could improve it. I think I can save them a lot of time.
Prosecute Tony Blair for selling British secrets to foreign banks and for misleading parliament. Lock him up, strip him of any income earned and watch that happiness index go sky high”
”Tony Blair 'visited Libya to lobby for JP Morgan'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/8772418/Tony-Blair-visited-Libya-to-lobby-for-JP-Morgan.html#disqus_thread
@101 If you read my post you will see that an Argentine claimed Maradona was the most famous man in the world.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am no fan of TB - never have been - and I wouldn't say he was the most famous man in the world but I expect he would LOVE to think he was.
101 Prosecute Tony Blair for selling British secrets to foreign banks and for misleading parliament. Lock him up, strip him of any income earned and watch that happiness index go sky high”
Sep 19th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.
You are wrong about The Falklands but absolutely right about Mr Tony Blair. I thought the rest of the World loved him and paid thousands of pounds for a cucumber sandwich and the chance to hear the Blair creature say “golly gosh”.
103 Hell no, we don't like none of your leaders nor we want them in our country, including Malvinas.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Meanwhile back on blogg.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 06:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hugo Henríquez Matus, the Mayor of Cabo de Hornos (Cape Horn)
By his own rights as a free man, is entitled to say what he thinks,
Its called freedom of speech .
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105, True, but keep in mind that he is a nobody in Chile like Sergio Vega.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@98 & @98 Thanks !!
Sep 19th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@97 so how would you about the gay activity in Buenos Aires? .... makes me wonder
107 Don't start again! :-)
Sep 19th, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember the disgusting fetishes of Frank the Yank with the “black shoes” and I am sure that guy @97 is friend of his.
Oh I see El Thicko's parrot is out of its cage again....... a simple question for you , bone brain.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 08:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When did you last make anything resembling an intelligent comment?
Just a question Frank, if you are not an American, why do they call you Frank the Yank?
Sep 19th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, I´m a nobody in Chile, but a proud Chilean citizen with free speech and vote right as well the Mayor Henriquez (and he js politicaly opossed to me) and you are nobody in the whole world, just an Argentine......what a shame for you, boy !!! Some day, if you change your manners being realiable and responsible of your acts may be, but just may be , you can be a nobody in the world as a Chilean nobody is considered....
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Patagonia belonged to us at the Independence days because all the S A countries kept their borders and rights assigned by the Spanish Crown, so you are simply stolen pirates.....first clas pirates in S A......that's the reason no one likes you all around.....
stolen pirates ? somebody stole our pirates ?? who did? :-)
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The opinions of other Military Officers in South America think that you all are the pirates. It depends who you ask? el que este libre de pecado que tire la primera piedra?
@110 Back in the dream time El Thicko was unable to find me and stalk me so he made a few bold assumptions ( and we both know where bold assumptions lead ) and I guess he liked the alliteration . I suppose I am lucky my name isn't Bruce.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0His parrot picked it up from there.......
@88
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Re Mayor Matus going to the Falklands… shit, do we agree on something???
No!!! – you said Chile stole Antofagasta (38 & 62) 101 times. I merely said Chile took it back. This dispute over the Atacama Desert is what’s irrelevant to Matus’s travel plans and I stand corrected – it was Manrod and Marcos Alejandro who introduced that digression. Why you jumped in, like a right wanker, with the ludicrous claim that “Chile stole Antofagasta”, is both beyond, nor of interest to me.
You do, however, show signs of possessing a certain amount of low cunning - using circular logic, even a DARVO – Wow! Impressive!
Unlike you, Travis had the balls to stand his ground. Moreover, like Texans, Argies are claim jumpers.
Argentina and Bolivia are as likely to get the Falklands and Antofagasta back as Mexico and England are to the SW USA and the Oregon Territories, respectively.
What really makes me wonder is why you are thinking about the gay activity in BA – boqueiro! Or would that be caxoteira?
Yes, l agree.
Sep 19th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think can be really thick sometimes.
l think he thinks Frank is a Yank just because it rhymes.
And he kept pushing, hoping that Frank would make a slip or tell him in exasperation.
l posted that l thought that l knew where Frank came from & El Thicko must have asked me at least 3 or 4 times to reveal it.
Like the bit about his understudy(parrot)!
@114
Sep 19th, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can care less if we agree or not. Again, you are slow so let me explain it again... if you have an issue with Marcos or Manrod in reference to Chile stealing Antofagasta from Bolivia, just deal with them and who is talking about the gay activity in Buenos Aires? is that what you do when you visit?? boqueiro or caxoteira , your father may be.
@117
Sep 19th, 2011 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another DARVO... scintillating stuff, yawn... and if you're going to jump into side issues like Chile “stealing” Antofagasta (101 times), and claiming that to be factual, then of course you put yourself in line.
You haven't explained anything yet, so how can you do it again? Shove your simplistic - primitive is a better word, perhaps - child psychology you know where.
And it was you talking about gay BA - in 107!
Where was you said you'd blown a blood vessel?
Must have been something larger than that!
@116 Not really Artillero, Manuel R. brought it up @30 and you can find one of my responses @37. Don't get me in the middle of your Doctor-patient relationship :-)
Sep 20th, 2011 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I like Chile and I have very good friends on the other side.
111 Sergio, You should be proud of Chile but I don't think Chile is proud of you, specially when you justify the killing of a teenager pushing his brother wheelchair in Santiago.
(117) Dr. Carrizal
Sep 20th, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Easy on Artillero601……...
He is just an Argentinean military person, he’s frail.
Changing the subject………………..
I couldn’t help noticing you mentioning DARVO a couple of times in your comments.
Not many people around familiar with the concept………..
May I ask how do you know about it?
Something you use, something you have been an injured party of or just academic knowledge?
Respectfully
El Think
(Argentino weon, patagónico y shileno de corazón)
I want to defecate, I will do it right here
Sep 20th, 2011 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0@120 - Aren't keyboards like pillows?
Sep 20th, 2011 - 03:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@119 - I borrowed it from you, weon, y komo’tai? It so succinctly illustrates what is going on all too often in debate. When you look at sabre-rattling - from kindergarten to the political arena, it’s all about who can shout the loudest and capture others’ attention for long enough. If you can (or have to…) convince others this way, fine – then it works for you, but anyone who believes that you can fool everybody in such a manner all the time has got it coming, and can’t be even half intelligent. Nor do they have to, I suppose, at the end of it.
Then, thinking about that, it seems to have always worked in Argentina…
Artillero seems to think he has the power, control and that illusory moral higher ground to stand on and shout his orders out from. I did consider commenting on that with a “No, Lance Corporal!”, but, even though his basic vernacular American is tolerably good, his English ain’t, and I realized it would go right over his head.
Anyway, it’s us Doctors who, as always, are the best at telling others what to do – that’s why we refuse to tip! Or do it most begrudgingly…
@119 jajajajajajajajajaja genial Think!
Sep 20th, 2011 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no such word as Malvinasinsaaret in the Finnish language, nor is there any word remotely like Malvinasöarna in the Swedish language. Infact, you can strike off all Scandinavian languages on your list.
Sep 20th, 2011 - 05:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0try again Think
Thanks for the DARVO introduction.
Sep 20th, 2011 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is indeed a revelation in the reading.
Not so much as it might apply to Argentina, etc., but it suddenly makes clear the many times in one's life that an attack can come 'from left field' leaving one totally mystified - with the thought “Where did that come from?!”
Much further reading ahead.
http://www.shrink4men.com/2011/01/19/presto-change-o-darvo-deny-attack-and-reverse-victim-and-offender/
Sep 20th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The attack will also likely focus on ad hominem instead of intellectual/evidential issues.
Sounds like a good old Argie tactic
Pirates blah blah etc
@119 he is frail ? :-))
Sep 20th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@121 Doc, don't underestimate me , big mistake!!
104 Double negative !!!!
Sep 20th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That means you like all of our leaders you illiterate tosser.
@121
Sep 20th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lance Corporal = Marine Corps
“his English ain’t”?? are you black from the projects? and my English is bad? but my American is tolerable ? little condescending, are we?
@ 121 are you el doctor chapatín?
Sep 20th, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@129 :-))
Sep 20th, 2011 - 03:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He is fascinated with gays, I bet you he is a proctologist ....
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Sep 20th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0127 Be serious No I don't, knucklehead.
Sep 20th, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way Rugby boy did you watch “The blonde, The dwarfs and The Queen” movie?
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/84562,people,news,mike-tindall-the-blonde-the-dwarfs-zara-phillips-and-the-queen
(121) Dr. Carrizal…..
Sep 20th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You ask:
”…… weon, y komo’tai?”
I say:
A bit ”choreao” with all those British ”pulentos” that want to sell me ”la pomáa” pué…………
Anyhow…………, a pleasure to meet another intelligent Chilean in her….. The first one was ManRod…..
132
Sep 20th, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I did, just the boys letting off a little steam before they destroy Romania.
Swing low, sweet chariot. Bet you wish you were English.
133
Tosser.
123 A.J.Rimmer
Sep 20th, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”There is no such word as Malvinasinsaaret in the Finnish language, nor is there any word remotely like Malvinasöarna in the Swedish language. Infact, you can strike off all Scandinavian languages on your list.”
I say: Suuuuuure………………..:
Finnish:
”MALVINAS-SAARET” palautettava Argentiinalle
http://sosialismi.net/blog/2010/02/26/chavez-vaatii-falklandsaarten-palauttamista/
Swedish:
Storbritannien har ingen rätt till ”MALVINASÖARNA”, från vilka Argentina kastades ut med våld 1833
http://sosialismi.net/blog/2010/02/26/chavez-vaatii-falklandsaarten-palauttamista/
Norwegian:
Utenriksministeriet gjentar sitt krav om full suverenitet over ”MALVINAS-ØYENE”, Sør-Georgia og Sør-Sandwichøyene,
http://sosialismi.net/blog/2010/02/26/chavez-vaatii-falklandsaarten-palauttamista/
Danish:
…..for en række militære manøvre på ”MALVINAS ØERNE”
http://sosialismi.net/blog/2010/02/26/chavez-vaatii-falklandsaarten-palauttamista/
What a TURNIP!
134 Be serious “Bet you wish you were English”“
Sep 20th, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lets's see:
The blonde, The dwarfs and The Queen is what your players are doing in NZ.
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/84562,people,news,mike-tindall-the-blonde-the-dwarfs-zara-phillips-and-the-queen
Our players:
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/84562,people,news,mike-tindall-the-blonde-the-dwarfs-zara-phillips-and-the-queen
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/84562,people,news,mike-tindall-the-blonde-the-dwarfs-zara-phillips-and-the-queen
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/84562,people,news,mike-tindall-the-blonde-the-dwarfs-zara-phillips-and-the-queen
No thanks, I am proud to be Argentinean.
136 Marcos Alejandro----- For once I agree with you throwing dwarfs is not on. Much better to kick the arses of Argentinians and we would win every time. Tell everyone how far we kicked the arses of Argentinians in 82 whats the distance from the Falklands to the coast of Argentina.
Sep 20th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0137 Britishpuppy dwarf abuser, I tell you if you tell me how far is the distance from Buenos Aires to England multiplied by 3.
Sep 20th, 2011 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Distance between Buenos Aires (Distrito Federal,Argentina) and City of London (England,UK) is :
Sep 20th, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 011128.93 kilometers (km).
In Other Units:
6915.2 miles.
6005.16 nautical miles.
Note: the distance is straight line distance (may be called as flying or air distance) between the two locations calculated based on their latitudes and longitudes. This distance may be very much different from the actual travel distance.
Or times 3 should be 33386.79 [KM ]
Depending on what source you use, as they tend to differ, and depending exactly from where to where .
Is it true that the distance from your fingertip to fingertip, , [arms spread out wide]
Is the same distance?
From your head, to your heel [bottom off]
??
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@126 There you go again – still twisting everything and trying to give orders again – the bluster and threatening tone just don’t work online…
Sep 20th, 2011 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never said you were frail, although I do have reason to believe you are mentally unstable and, probably, an outright sociopath...
Hell, I like being underestimated – what’s wrong with it?
@125 Stick, This applies very well to the Malvinas case.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 02:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0The victim (Argentina) becomes offender.
The offender (U.K.) becomes the victim.
I wish to congratulate Mr. Humberto Henriquez Matus, who I consider a patriotic and sensible Chilean, for calling a spade a spade, and for his planned trip to the beautiful British Falkland Islands. The truth of the matter is that those Islands have been called that way by their rightful owners since times immemorial, before even 1833. Therefore, this silly and paranoid Argentinian XIXth Century irredentist whining has no place in today's “civilised world”!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0This inconceivable “incident” by any non-Argentinian standards has to be printed in black and white in order to be believed. In fascistic Argentina this is, of course, normal. Among those protesting are the usual hyphenated Argentinians, like the Italo-Argentinians a la Galtieri, the Swiss or Israeli-Argentinians a la Kirchner/
Timerman, or Syrian-Argentinians a la Menem or Spanish-Argentinians a la Alfonsin, etc. Those are the “full-fledged Argentinians” who want to take the Falklands' land, and expel their native inhabitants! Those are the people who insist in calling the Falklands, “Malvinas.” Well, “Malvinas” is a bad translation from the French Malouines. A better translation would be Maluinas. The trouble is that I can certify that no such place as the “Malvinas” exist. I have been in the Falklands several times, and they are as Argentinian as North Waziristan! Actually, the “Malvinas” are even less real than Sancho Panza's Insula Barataria. Barataria, at least, has the strong backing of Don Quijote de la Mancha, the masterpiece of Spanish Literature. The poor “Malvinas” are only an incompetent translation from French.
Finally, Mr. Henriquez should by all means go to visit those stunningly beautiful Falkland Islands, and acquire over there new valuable experiences most certainly applicable in Chile. I have no doubt that he will be greeted with open arms in the free Falkland Islands.
Philippe
#128 I doubt you were ever in the Marines and, FYI, as you haven’t clicked as to what the subtext was about, that remark of mine was disparaging rather than condescending.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0And what if I was (a little condescending)? Americans ceased to speak real English and started using their own dialect at least 100 years ago… If they they’re not careful, and keep adding more nasality to their whingeing and whining, they’ll end up sounding like a bunch of Argies
#130 I don’t give a **** about gays. And another one of your DARVOs – it was you who started talking about them, and still are…
Fue en la iglesia o el ejercito donde te rompieron el culo, voludo? O los dos?
#129 Yes! Eureka! (damn – busted at last…)
#131 Are you referring to El Think, who is actually Argentine like yourself, me, or HHM?
#133 Actually, soy no mas que chileno de corazon, como vos. I do have living relatives there, a fact I was unaware of when I was in Chile – quite some time ago now. Family home still standing there on Cerro Cordillera…
Re the whole Falklands issue, while I’m always going to be on the Brits side – unless the kelpers opt for Arginess – I agree with you in that their incessant blather can become rather off-putting…
Philippe, Do you like seafood?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/English_imperialism_octopus.jpg
“The Provincial Government in Chile immediately issued a statement expressing surprise at the Mayor's ”indiscretion“ and said that the Chilean Foreign Ministry had warned Matus”
“Governor Cárcamo contacted the Argentine Governor of Tierra del Fuego, Fabiana Rios, to express his apologies about the statement by the Mayor of Cabo de Hornos. Rios responded by expressing his ”sadness faced with this situation,“ and said that it did not reflect the current cooperative relationship that existed between the two countries”
Marcos, is an “English” Imperial Octopus circa 1790 the best you can come up with?? You really must be scraping the barrel...
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0and he is spamming the same crap around the site .... not an original thought in his head....
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0'Awk... Marcos wants a cracker.... Awk... Marcos wants a cracker......'
Guess he finds this stuff on the bottom of his cage.......
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Seems like you spit your dummy out on a regular basis.
@142 Philippe,
Sep 21st, 2011 - 08:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0What can l say but, Bravo, Bravo. You've said it all. Love it!
D'accord, and nice to get back to the real issue!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lastly, I have two questions:
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:39 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Why some people who know nothing about the Falkland Islanders insist in calling them “kelpers”?
2. Why, the same as above, call that pretty little town Stanley, “Puerto Argentino.” It would be as stupid to calling Buenos Aires, Malos Aires or just, “Bad Airs.”
3. Concerning the “Henriquez Matus affair,” which is no more, no less than a tsunami in a glass of water, I would say that the attitude of certain Chilean officials- I call them apparatchiks- is not too dignified, to say the list.
4. Thanks God, Mr. Sergio Vega is one Chilean in this network who has his feet on “terra firma.”
5. And the last person should be the first one. In case you don't know she has a beautiful name: Isolde.
Philippe
Speaking with a couple of Chilean diplomats a few years back, they liken dealing with the Argentines akin to dealing with volatile, wreckless, feckless, teenagers. The warning was probably along the lines of 'don't anger it!'
Sep 21st, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Two countries so close but the people are so very different in temperament.
A correction. In my note no. 150, paragraph 3, I state “to say the list”. Of course, I meant “to say the least”. It was very early in the morning, and I was half asleep.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If I could have been able to throw my part of Chilean blood off my veins, I'd have done it long ago. I hate Chilean hypocrisy and constant foul play, only matched by that of the froggies.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What you got against the French Argy boy?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They are our good neighbours you know.
Willing to screw up your exocet crap and lend us their only aircraft carrier.
The Froggies are fine by me.
“Two countries so close but the people are so very different in temperament.”
Sep 21st, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed. Chileans are ultra-nationalistic and aggressive, and many of of'em lean fascist. Chilean dialect - one the ugliest variants of the Spanish language - is permeated with vulgarities and insults.
@156 Hear, Hear !! their accent makes me puke ....
Sep 21st, 2011 - 02:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More: Chileans think they're white like Argentines and Uruguayans when they're in fact mestizo like Colombians and Mexicans. Why the race denial? I remember not long ago that dumb Pinochetista Sergio Vega called Venezuelans “monos” just because some study found they're happier than Chileans. As if Chileans were a bunch of Aryans. As I said: many Chileans lean fascist.
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's all for now. :P
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jajajaja!!!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@160 I never told you that I was stationed across Uruguaiana for 3 years
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now Be Serious is in love with me. :)
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lay off, will ya? I'll catch up with you later.
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0150 Philippe 1. You ask: “Why some people who know nothing about the Falkland Islanders insist in calling them “kelpers”?“
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0True we call them Kelpers, islanders.
Let's ask them Sergio..sorry Philippe.
6 Islander1 Surprisingly I go with Think on the Kelper bit- doesnt bother me at all...
11 stillakelper There ain't nothing wrong with being called a Kelper
19 JoJo Proud to be a Ben, proud to be a Kelper
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/18/chilean-journalist-reflects-on-falklands-sovereignty-dispute
Now let me ask you:
”Why some people who know nothing about the Malvinas Islanders insist in calling them “Cochayuyero” (Chilean)?
I don't even think you understand the definition of 'promise', Be scum. And before you call me a creep, see who's stalking whom.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In my debates in here, I like to engage with people whose level of discussion allow me to make points. You're not one of them, you simply don't the brains. As such I'll only address you when I want to have some fun at someone else's expense. You're like a whore whom I can occasionally punch in the mouth when I feel like. Nothing else. Now lay off.
TWIMC
Sep 21st, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mayor Hugo Henríquez Matus has apologized today to the Argentinean authorities……………..
Apology accepted, mate ………..
http://www.elpatagonico.cl/?p=25051
@157 “Hear, Hear !! their accent makes me puke ....”
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Gosh, I have heard many an Argentine in the provinces say that about people from Buenos Aires. When they hear the BsAs accent their lips curl in disgust.
I don't mind at all the different accents and the lispy Spanish of Buenos Aires.
Something I do find utterly distastful is the overt racism and preoccupation with skin colour that is ever present in the Southern Cone. To judge people by their appearance, rather than character, is ignorance in the extreme.
“Something I do find utterly distastful is the overt racism and preoccupation with skin colour that is ever present in the Southern Cone. To judge people by their appearance, rather than character, is ignorance in the extreme.”
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's what certain Chileans do when they deny their race and talk contemptously about the mestizo peoples in Latin America. And pointing out that Chileans themselves are mestizo isn't racism.
@170. By far the most racist statements I have heard have been in Argentina, but I have heard it in other countries.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@169
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They can be transparent for what I care. I don't like them period !!!
Elaine B, you sound like you are a good person, but don't talk about things you don't know. Chileans are a really different story...we know them very well... unfortunately... you can have lots of fun in the beaches in Rio or in Bariloche in the snow with brazilian boys and girls, but you can't have fun with Chileans, even if there's lots of alcohol, they don't know what's fun. They're stupid by nature.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSsVMHDa5N0 this is how a chilean behaves.
Be serious, why are you frustrated? you are not serious.
Mayor Hugo Henriqueta Matus, a special kind of woman.
@172 I think we know that already :-) No seas malo Pomi.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good article“Think”
Google T. but close enough:
“The mayor of Cape Horn, said the information was given as a representative of their community and not a Chilean diplomat, expressing his apologies to the Argentine authorities, especially the Governor of the province of Tierra del Fuego, Antarctica and Islands South Atlantic, Argentina, Fabiana Ríos, involuntarily committed the error in the transcript of the public statement”
http://www.elpatagonico.cl/?p=25051
@ElaineB
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine constitution is still overtly racist. See Article 25. Astounding really, especially since they had the opportunity in 1994 fix it.
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love to see Brits talking about racism, they forgot that they kidnapped, enslave and sent 3000 000 Africans across the Atlantic.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@176 Now you're just copying me. You're unoriginal and actually can't even be offensive. Guess it, too, takes brains. :(
Sep 21st, 2011 - 04:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ElaineB 'Tis a pity that the Chilean forum SinDramas is now moderated. How many times I've seen Peruvian women exposed as “indias feas” compared to the “chilenas blancas”. Agreed that in the Southern Cone racial pride is high, but nowhere people are more insecure about race than in Chile.
@ 176 aguante a capoeira !!! pepepepepe
Sep 21st, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkScVELM7Gs&feature=related
I always knew you are a crossdresser o_o
Be serious, How's your team doing?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/international/england/8779047/Rugby-World-Cup-2011-Englands-Simon-Shaw-predicts-players-will-hide-away-and-rugby-ruined-by-press-pressure.html
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You displayed all your brains during your disgraceful racist trade against the Chilean people. You are an unpleasant individual but you must be confronted and exposed as the nasty piece of shit that you are.
See you around tit!
@173 I do know what I am talking about. I have spent a lot of time in Chile over the past years and have had a lot of fun with my Chilean friends. Maybe you should try it rather than rely on stereotypes. Open your mind a little.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know all about the rivalries between the two countries and how they view their neighbours. It is not unusual for adjacent countries to be rivals. You should hear what the Guatemalans say about the Mexicans!
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0* coherent
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@174 :-)) Peace my brothers !!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tit
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You went further than that read your posts again.
Mercopress remove posts all the time who cares if tossers like you are so sensitive that you find the need to tell teacher. couldn't careless as long as you get the message
Ermm Brazil is a melting pot isn't it? Which means as a Brazillian you are likely to be descended from many different races .
Now go screw yourself.
Laters
@182
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“You should hear what the Guatemalans say about the Mexicans!”... and what the Mexicans say about the Texans ..... I understand that. We live in a very complicated world. I'm surrounded by Hillbilly's , Rednecks, Confederate maniacs (still believe in slavery) that want to either, burn me alive, hang me or send me back home because I am foreigner .....
If I had gone further, I have no doubt you'd point me where it was so. Saying Chileans are aggressive, have a rather vulgar dialect and are mestizo (btw, do you even know what that is?) isn't racism. Moreover, I said that to counter ElaineB's comparsion between Chileans and Argentines that the former had nothing but virtues compared to the latter. Is she racist too?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Um, yeah, Brazil had a melting pot, but you mention it to make innuendo. And why would you call me Afro-Spanish (btw, wrong on two counts)? Certainly it isn't because you meant to compliment. In sum, you want to accuse me of racism at the same time you engage in racist innuendo. Are you so desperate to insult that you lost self-control and conherence? Then don't complain later when I call you dumb, because you really are. :|
@188 “Moreover, I said that to counter ElaineB's comparsion between Chileans and Argentines that the former had nothing but virtues compared to the latter. ”
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't say that. I have never said that.
And would the “fact” that Argentines are more European than Chileans have anything to do with Rosas' War of Extermination? I suppose this early ethnic cleansing set the precedent for the internal political cleansing that went on in the 70s and 80s. It does, however, show some sign of developmental sophistication - “disappearing” someone because of what they thought rather than what they looked like must have involved some sort of mental process...
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wonder when MercoPress will confirm the “unconfirmed news” about the weekly flight from Punta Arenas to Malvinas....................
Think, Do you mean what our President said a couple of hours ago?
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yupppppp.....
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0They just did :-)))
@190 I met a decendant of President Roca. I sat up late one night with him drinking wine and pressed him on the ethnic cleansing issue. He said that the indigenous people were just trespassing from Chile! Astonishing.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have managed on occasions to get some of my Chilean, Argentine and Peruvian friends together - in BsAs - and they all got on swimmingly. There was some friendly teasing and banter but we all had a great time together. (I should get my light blue beret).
No I said Brazil was a melting pot.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And it is.
Any innuendo is in your head not mine
If you hadn't been so sensitive we could refer back to the exact text.
Why would calling somebody Afro- Spanish be offensive?
Ever heard of the Moors?
Don't go acting all innocent over your comments about Chileans. What you said was the lowest form of racism based on skin colour. You are a disgrace.
Mercopress may have stifled debate but you really are one pathetic creep.
@192 & @ 193
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you all explain that? estoy en bolas :-))
@106 That would be like you're NOBODY ANYWHERE!
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@122 Why did you stop speaking ape? It was so entertaining and representative of your personality.
@136 And why not be proud of being an occupant of a fourth-rate country? You don't have anything else!
@138 Why would we want to know? Our missiles can reach you. That's all that's important.
@141 Your English isn't very good. Let me help you. Argentina is offensive. Argentines are offensive. The existence of Argentina is offensive. The existence of Argentines is offensive. Roll on the day when all offensive animals (inc argies) are removed from the planet.
@154 Argies are, of course, experts in hypocrisy. Being as they practice so often.
@156 Oh dear. Why are you speaking Spanish. This clearly marks you as non-indigenous and therefore have no rights to self-determination.
@177 Pity we didn't take 3,000,000 South Americans halfway across the Atlantic before dropping them overboard. Maybe we can put that right......
This is obviously a tripartite discussion. In order of importance, Falkland Islanders, Britons and, finally, argie scumbags. Who thinks we should pay attention to argie scumbags? I'm in favour of laying them down, side by side, with their mouths held open and then pi**ing and sh**ting on them. For a month. Latrines are so hard to come by. Argies make lovely conveniences.
196 Artillero601
Sep 21st, 2011 - 06:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.clarin.com/politica/Cristina_Kirchner-ONU-Asamblea_General_de_la_ONU-relaciones_con_Gran_Bretana-Islas_Malvinas_0_558544341.html
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Cristina_Kirchner-ONU-Asamblea_General_de_la_ONU-relaciones_con_Gran_Bretana-Islas_Malvinas_0_558544341.html
ok
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i will answer your masters blogg when i get their,
Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the first one is not in english,
and theirfore not importent,
later gents . later
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Sep 21st, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not sure, we'll find out on Saturday.
Could be a ploy to get the team more insular and aggressive so they'll fight harder.
The old “Everybody is against us” type attitude
Apart from the dwarf throwing, performances have not been good.
How are Argentina getting on or don't you care?
Be serious is as persistent as a worm. No matter how many times one steps on it, it won't die.
Sep 21st, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Why would calling somebody Afro- Spanish be offensive?”
It isn't offensive, but why would you call someone that? It's as if in a heated discussion you call someone “a Yakee”. Nothing bad about being an Yankee, but in due context anyone can see the insulting intention. And to anyone not as cynical as you, the racist intent in your unfortunate use of “Afro-Spanish” was clear. The same for your mentioning the “melting pot country”: no one just says that out of the blue: you were making innuendo. But the funny thing is that it obliterated your attempt to get moralistic on me by calling me a racist. You racist. :)
@Dr. C.
Chilean ethnic composition isn't relevant for anything other than to counter ElaineB's anecdote regarding Chileans and Argentines.
She wrote:
“they liken dealing with the Argentines akin to dealing with volatile, wreckless, feckless, teenagers. The warning was probably along the lines of 'don't anger it!' Two countries so close but the people are so very different in temperament.”
Funny that she now denies she was setting any comparison. :) But it's clear to me she was making suggestions about Argentine character. I thought it'd be interesting to counter that by delving in the stereotype South Americans have of Chileans as aggressive people full of nationalistic and racial pride (which borders on fascism -- see Sergio Vega). You who are Chilean may deny that, but will you say this is entirely baseless?
wreckles and feckless can someone translate it to me
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0google doesnt recoignize as existant the first and the second pecosos??
and about chileans some may be that way not all of them
Gonzalo Valenzuela and Benjamín Vicuña seems to be very nice and very sexy
and about the african spanish.....dont care after all we are all descendants of africans.....the problem is that some dont like africans and are killing them, call it NATO, UN insecurity counsil
cyclops or what ??
Sep 21st, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile will one day belong to Argentina, the people are our problem and have always been so. The sooner this problem is removed the sooner we can expand into the Pacific basin, we need also las malvinas and control of South Atlantic and Antartica.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0We must rid ourselves of all anglos in latin america, they are the source of all problems!!!! Without those the Chile will be Argentina and we will rip their hearts out and their minds will follow.
Argentina needs more Lebensraum.
Malen - It's reckless - imprudente, temerario, atolondrado, & the eff word - irreflexivo, casquivano
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I always thought Chileans were, amidst the generalisations, disliked and even resented because they held a lot of top management jobs all over SAm, illustrating that they had both balls and brains usually lacking in most places there...
Artillero - ya k sos bola'o?
I think Dr. C.'s answer illustrates my point very well.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for you being disliked... the bulk of the negative attention is still on Argentines and their alleged haughtiness. Chileans are disliked by few - only, AFAIK, by Argentines (due to Chilean collaboration with the UK during the FI war), Bolivians and specially Peruvians (due to Chilean military campaigns). Here in Brazil nobody cares about Chile (or any other South American country aside from Argentina), and I suspect the same goes for those in the north of South America. Myself, I do have a clearer image of Chileans because unlike my countrymen I'm interested in the our region.
I have been reading Mein Kampf and there is a lot of good information in there about how to deal with issue of las malvinas, Chile, Uragay, Paragay and Antarctica.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil care of Arg as this country is full of brazilian products hawaianas, clothes, food, cars, cosmetic products I buy them
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazilians are happy people, plays well football, but not so well as argentina
And we do care of all our neighbours because there are a lot of them coming to live here: colombia, bolivia, perú, paraguay, chile, venezuela
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING ENGLISH
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:55 am - Link - Report abuse 01.Two World Wars and One World Cup, doo-dah doo-dah.
2.Proper beer
3.You get to confuse everyone with the rules of cricket.
4.You get to accept defeat graciously in major sporting events
5.Union jack underpants.
6.Water shortages guaranteed every single summer
7.You can live in the past and imagine you are still a world power.
8.Bathing once a week-whether you need to or not.
9.Ditto changing underwear
10.Beats being Welsh.
10a. Or Scottish
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING FRENCH
1.When speaking fast you can make yourself sound gay.
2.Experience the joy of winning the world cup for the first time.
3.You get to eat insect food like snails and frog's legs.
4.If there's a war you can surrender really early.
5.You don't have to read the subtitles on those late night films on SBS
6.You can test your own nuclear weapons in other people's countries.
7.You can be ugly and still become a famous film star.
8.Allow Germans to march up and down your most famous street
> humiliating your sense of national pride.
9.You don't have to bother with toilets, just shit in the street.
10.People think you're a great lover even when you're not.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING AMERICAN
1.You can have a woman president without electing her.
2.You can spell colour wrong and get away with it.
3.You can call Budweiser beer.
4.You can be a crook and still be president.
5.If you've got enough money you can get elected to do anything.
6.If you can breathe you can get a gun.
7.You get to be really obese.
8.You can play golf in the most hideous clothes ever made and nobody seems to care.
9.You get to call everyone you've never met “buddy”
10.You can think you're the greatest nation on earth.
10a. When you're not.
10b. At all.
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING GERMAN
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TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING WELSH
You've got to be having a laugh, haven't you?
TOP 10 REASONS FOR BEING IRISH
1.Guinness.
2. 18 children bec
Well Tit you will die one day and I hope your coffin is well screwed down so you don't get the same treatment as the heavily embalmed and well stuffed Evita.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You tit, are a slimy C who likes to dish it it out but can't take it. When it all gets too much you crawl off to Mercopress to have the nasty comments removed.
As you now concede Afro Spanish isn't offensive and neither is Melting Pot. Melting Pot was actually first mentioned earlier in the thread by another poster. It was a quote taken from the famous anti racist song. So not only was it not insulting, it wasn't out of the blue. Any insulting intention is confined to your diseased racist mindset and failure to read and understand the full thread.
“Brazilian Monkey” is your term not mine and is not something I have ever come across before you brought it up.
You then made the most disgraceful racist comments about the Chilean people based on skin colour which were even challenged by another poster. Taken to task you proceeded to tell a succession of lies about what the other poster had said in a pathetic attempt to justify yourself.
Tit, you are a disgusting piece of racist excrement.
Well, the fur is flying this morning! Go to it, boys & girls. Clear the air.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 09:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ #1 Forgetit87
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0“”I don't find this news worthy.“”
Oh OK....Whatever......
So the mayor said 'sorry' ... whacko ... little children say 'sorry' when what they really mean is 'go fuck your hat....'
So the mayor will catch LA991 from P Arenas which is going to 'THE FALKLANDS' .... his Passport will be stamped ' Government of the Falkland Islands Visitors Permit' and when he sends a postcard home to the kids it will have a Falklands stamp on it....
Oh ... and T(w)it.... you seem to have a problem differentiating between nationality and race.....
@206
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 01:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“they held a lot of top management jobs all over SAm ....” Here is the US, they are in charge of gardens, child care and cleaning houses, so much for brains and balls.
ya k sos bola'o?.... Sorry doc, I don't speak Mapuche, my bad, buddy! :-))
211 Be serious You sound like a youngster who can sit comfortably after a good(Brazilian) beating. I hope you learn your lesson boy.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Marco you sound a bit keen, you old git. Be my guest, Tit's waiting for you.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=brazilian+monkey&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1C1CHNU_enGB352GB397&biw=1006&bih=649&tbm=isch&prmd=imvns&tbnid=vdVTM1noTYX7iM:&imgrefurl=http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php/56785-Brazilian-Monkey-Wax&docid=kzzqw8Gcmbcg1M&w=400&h=347&ei=E0h7TvuYBoG30QW4ns2jAw&zoom=1
#177
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 02:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Slave trade?
Glass houses springs to mind, when did Britain ban slaving and when did Argentina?
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 03:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Suuure Justin, first Britain kidnapped, enslave and sent 3000 000 Africans across the Atlantic, made a fortune and then play the “Saint” card saying “we ban slavery first”
Well how can I forget the Chagossians now living in Mauritius and the UK after being deported from their homeland by the British government in the late 1960s, did your government ban that too?
@'218
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Got your slaves to do your fighting for you?
Blacks formed a disproportionate part of the Argentine army in the long and bloody War of Paraguay (1865–1870), in which the loss of lives on both sides were high. The official historiography maintains that this resulted in the disappearance of the black population, while the genocide claims contend that the disproportionate recruitment was intentional.[7]
Well how can I forget the Chagossians now living in Mauritius
That must mean that you dont want the Falklanders to share the same fate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AASusCA0XVA&feature=player_detailpage
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm not such a racial paradise after all?
218 Marcos Alejandro --- Yes we made an absolute fortune out of it all, ah well never mind we put it right in the end. And its not as if we were the first to kidnap and enslave people were we. But we sure put it right, typical British leading the world in everything we do or did. Wonder what Argentina will be remembered for? Oh yes I nearly forgot silly me it will be for lies, lies, lies, lies lies, lies oh did I mention it will be for lies, lies, lies, lies lies. And then even more lies and lies. in fact it would be better if Argentines went around with a gag in their mouths in case they get the urge to tell even more porkys.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 04:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0221 Britishbulldog, Yes you made a fortune stealing and killing, but your leaders threw all that money away and know you are broke.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Any chance you can recover the British gold sold by G. Brown at rock botton prices?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8720479/Debt-crisis-live.html
Be Serious's ignoring my point: that the label isn't per se offensive but it can be interpreted as such depending on the context. Just ask a AfAm on the uses of 'nigger': he'll tell you in some contexts it isn't offensive; but in others it may evoke quite a reaction. Calling me “Afrospanish” (when, btw, I'm neither) out of the blue was the way you found to engage in racial innuendo, as if to suggest that IF I was Afro-Spanish I couldn't point to Chileans' racial hypocrisy. After all, what has my alleged racial background to do with anything? And again, mentioning the fact that Brazil is called a “melting pot” isn't relevant for anything in here. You mentioned b/c you were making suggestions.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW, I'm still waiting to be pointed where I was racist against Chileans. Funny that not even Dr. C. said I was wrong in saying Chileans have excessive national and racial pride: curious, b/c they're mestizo even if some, perhaps most, of them ignore that. But ofc, given the fact that you're an undereducated European you wouldn't know that.
And Be Serious, are you sure *I* am the one who can't take it? You were the one who passed the whole day directing messages at me when I was doing my best to keep my interactions with you short. Your insistence tells a lot about how desperate you were to get to me. Not to mention the fact that you were so angry you were unable to even be coherent. One message you call me racist; the next ones call me racial epithets that had nothing to do with the discussion. all that anger on an internet forum: pathetic. As a philosopher said once, this attitude is below a human's. Self-contradiction is more properly an animal condition. But given what you've shown of your intellectual level, that seems to fit you as well. Mercopress cleaned your messages b/c you failed at keeping a low profile: again a sign of desperation.
And btw, I didn't say you called me a monkey. I said if discussion was longer you'd call me that, so desperate you were to get to me.
222 The stupid w----r swapped all the gold for Argentine pesos. Bet they've nose dived. He was told not to chuck our dosh away on a third world banana republic, but would he listen?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now its all gone Tits up,
Any chance you can recover the British gold
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0About as much chance of you getting the Falklands :-)))))))
[] - 223 forget
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0don't forget that..
there are two e-mail friends who writes under the different comment
names to messaging cryptic with third person here.....!!
“The stupid w----r swapped all the gold for Argentine pesos. Bet they've nose dived. He was told not to chuck our dosh away on a third world banana republic, but would he listen?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now its all gone Tits up,”
Is this all you have to say?
Thank you god, I think I have had enough of you for the whole month.
@geo
Are you saying sticky and Be scum are one and the same?
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Sep 22nd, 2011 - 06:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But I haven't had enough of you Tits.
I'm bothered by this Brazilian Monkey -
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 07:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0- it looks remarkably like an ape to me (note the bum).
Perhaps it might not bother you, but I assure you the chimpanzee would not be amused to be so evolutionarily downgraded -
- let alone being transposed from the Old World to Brasil in the New.
But I think I know what the innuendo is. Black africans and their descendents in the New World have frequently been vilified by such comment. Unworthy comment, even here where the invective has exceeded good taste in the last few days.
Can I ask you all to lighten up with your crudeness and rudeness.
And what are you thinking about, Forgetit (i) & (ii)!
Your recent postings are so 'off the wall' that I can only think you are having a bad time with the PMT.
meanwhile
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chilean mayor trip to the ‘Falklands’
Did he enjoy his trip?
Did he enjoy British Hospitality?
Did he enjoy freedom of speech,[before going home] and realising what lots are missing
Did he enjoy the view, being looked after by the union jack?
Did he leave a happy man?
If yes, then we have done a very nice job, and he no doubt will have a better understanding of the Falkland islanders,
Happy-nice-considerate –polite –British -respected-
and treated him like a person,
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Then back to chi lie,
Attacked-abused-insuted-threatend-intimidated-slagged of by his own appeasement government, and told what to do by a foreign minister from argentine,
And now this man may well understand what the islanders have understood for decades,
Argentine is still a dictatorship, even with a woman in charge,
Just an opinion .
@229
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Can I ask you all to lighten up with your crudeness and rudeness” ... Sure, no problem but I still don't like that Carrizal guy anyways !!! :-))
Are you saying sticky and Be scum are one and the same?
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not guilty
mind you, you did get all upset with me,when I pointed out some of Brazils failings ;-)
@213
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Careful there, Artillero – you might yet be accused of having a sense of humour… And what then, may I ask, do the Argentines in the US do for a living? Pick pockets? Shine shoes? Run drugs over the border for the cartels? Sex workers?
@224
I said nothing about that since, basically, all Latin Americans (and also the populations of more than a few Western countries) are so ‘patriotic’ that it’s beyond ridiculous. Nationalism doesn’t rank high in my take on things and watching international sportsmen, for example, kissing their helmets (in national colours, of course) while holding one hand over their heart, etc, ad nauseam, makes me want to vomit.
Thinking you are better than someone else just because you were born on a different patch of dirt just doesn’t add up - it just proves that you don’t have a mind of your own…
Few of the Chileans I met when I was there were mestizo, and if their population is, overall, more homogenous than Argentina’s, it’s because of lovely little sets of events like Rosas’s War of the Extermination. As I said elsewhere, the only measurable advance in evolution/civilization in Argentina is that they’ve moved from Ethnic to Political Cleansing…
Making the move from the superficial to having to start thinking must have been extremely difficult… and it’s obviously costing them – measure the internal discomfort and insecurity!
As a Chilean I stayed with in Santiago during the Pinochet era asked – “Isn’t it strange what some people will do to others just because they believe something different?” Rhetorical question…
some say
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she is frightend of the prospect of jonny English,
in britain from october, and could be sent lolol
@sticky
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't get upset. Instead I got frustrated with the basic level of your debating skills. For you debating is posting some random link, as if the truth of the universe can be unveiled through Google or BBC.
It's rather disapponting how mediocre most British users around here are. 1st World education... 5th World minds.
@Be Serious
If this serves as consolation, Mercopress has also removed some of my posts now. Not that I think I got anywhere as low as you. Something you just proved by showing what passes as humour for you on message #216. As I said: 5th World brain. You're not full of me yet? But you won't answer my point. Why? Because there's nothing to answer: I am right in what I said, and you aren't clever enough to find a way out. And apart from that, you're a damn racist. Not that I wouldn't expect that from a European.
@Dr. C.
People everywhere are for the most part nationalistic. This is as true of Chileans as it is of Ukranians or Ghanans. The point isn't that Chileans are different from LatAms in this sense; the point's that Chilean nationalism is much more virulent and sometimes acquires a militaristic bent. ElaineB may deny that, but she was attempting to portray Argentines as “wreckless” (sic) ultra-nationalists whose passion leads them to the ridiculous area. According to her, Chileans were altogether different. She may pass as knowledgeable to the sack of dumb Europeans posting on Mercopress, but in South America we know better than that. We know Chileans aren't above excessive, even angry, displays of nationalism. And the appallingly angry, even vulgar, dialect only reinforces that perception, as does their treatment of Peruvians as “indios”, as if Chileans were free of any Native ancestry.
PS: Chileans aren't more homogenous than Argentines. I've read studies on Chilean and Argentine admixture levels, and Chileans are by far the more Native-admixed. I can post the links to the studies here.
Anyway, this all got blown out of proportion when Be serious, who's stalking me, thought he could use my comments to, in an opportunistic, inauthentic way, accuse me of racism, and then engage himself in racial innuendo and throw some nonsensical insults (his definition of winning a debate). And of course, post pics of apes with the butt exposed. Such an intellectual.
Sep 22nd, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@233
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 01:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Actually, we tell chilenos what to do !! :-)) Peace
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 06:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0True – everybody is, to a degree, nationalistic. Some much more than others! For instance, I would say that citizens of the USA (as a generalisation) are some of the most so – look at the emphasis on their own history and gumph they have to study at school – the reason why they are so ignorant about the rest of the world: the way they consider anybody from south of the border to be ‘Mexican’ because it’s too hard for them to deal with the geography, and the ‘hell, it’s gotta be all the same down there, anyway…’ lazy attitude. Haven’t you ever had a friend opting for citizenship there and looked at the crap that they are supposed to be able to prattle off in some sort of bizarre test?
From my own experience in S America, I have always found Chileans to be the least patriotic/nationalistic of all. Similarly, perhaps, Colombians, who don’t seem to give a rats a*** about it – but Peruvians, Bolivians, Argentines and Brazilians – their countries, according to the inhabitants, all seem to be the centre of the universe. Every little two mud hut village in Argentina is still the capital of something, be it a certain style of musica folklorica or whatever, if you believe what you’ve been told…
I personally enjoy the sound of Chileans speaking at full flow – to me it’s no uglier than a gaggle of Lunfardo, whether you ignore that Italianesque rhythm or not…
They might cast disparaging remarks at Peruvians but surely it’s human nature to verbally attack others at their weakest, or most evident and noticeable point. Look at cartoonists’ – they make careers out of it!
Surely, if Chileans are the more Native-admixed, then they are the more homogeneous?
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Good answer! But, again, you revert to your fantasy world… Why do you Argies always act as if in the belief that you have the right to order everybody around? What makes you think you’re right? Does this have anything to do with your experiences in the church and army?
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey Tits
So you have form, what a naughty person you are getting all upset with that nice reasonable Mr Stick.
I take no consolation from your posts being removed. Granted they were pathetic but it would have been helpful to refer back to them to further demonstrate your disgusting racism and shameless lies as our discussions develop on this and future threads.
You say I wont answer your point. Could you be a good egg and tell me again the point you have at issue.
By the way who said I was European? Of course that doesn't excuse your sweeping statement against all Europeans which once again exposes your nasty racist mindset.
You start to ramble a bit after that so I'll go onto your next post.
My you have been busy B.
236
Merely posting my opinion and answering your posts, that's not stalking, its actually the point of these Boards.
You ramble on again a bit but then get to the picture of a Brazilian Monkey. As you will recall you suggested that I would call you a Brazilian Monkey next. As I had never heard of such a creature I looked the old boy up on Google. Hate to disappoint but I wasn't that impressed.
I do get the impression that nice tolerant Dr C doesn't fully agree with you about the Chilean people. Personally I believe there are good and bad in every nation and that sometimes the good can be bad and the bad can be good. I take people as I find them. However I despise racism and you are racist to the core.
I make no comment concerning your intelligence or intellectual capacity. That would be rude and crude and I am under instructions to lighten up.
Anyway I look forward to reading your next installment(s) together with the clarification requested above.
@BS (your screen name's acronym defines the trivial contents of your messages so well - cool, huh? :) )
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0I admit, anger gets the best of me very often in every day life. But your latest post failed in provoking any reaction from me, so weak it is. There's only one thing that I'll reply: you say you aren't stalking me because all you're doing was raising points. No one who followed our exchanges will agree. You haven't stated any opinions; you don't have that capacity since you're not smart enough to actually - be serious. You're a troll who's too stupid to even realize that. All you've done thus far was to scream some insults and hurl accusations. Your racism accusation is a case in point: an opportunistic attempt to use morality as a cloak for your campaign. To hide behind a self-righteous mask is typical of witless minds. 'Tis a pity that you yourself blew your cover with the unnecessary use of the AfroSpanish label. One couldn't get any dumber than that, could one? Your new insults are rather half-baked and too forced to work. Try harder.
”Personally I believe there are good and bad in every nation and that sometimes the good can be bad and the bad can be good. I take people as I find them. However I despise racism(...)”
Wow, how deep and original! :)
Gee, even when you want to be agreeble, you look lame. Stick to your trollish persona: it is at least more authentic.
@Dr. C.
It's not quite the sound, but rather the content, of Chilean speech which I find unpleasant. It seems one won't wait too much to hear “conshetumare”, “weón” or “culiao” from a Chilean in the street.
I wouldn't say nationalism is any more passioned in the places you mentioned as it is in Chile. Since the 90s there's been a conscious drive towards Westernization - which coincided with the implementation of neoliberal reforms - and a rejection of national cultural movements in such countries as Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay: at least from the part of the middle-classes. Cont...
@Dr. C.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Contd.
Masochistic comparisons with the US and European, and adulation of things foreign, have also become the norm in political and even popular speech, and nationalism, actual nationalism, is instead restricted to some social elements (e.g., the military). Among the populace nationalism is of the more superficial sort - for example, the one manifested during international sports competitions.
[] - Be Serious
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0everybody has biogenital race ...nobody can convert it ..
i see that you are the slave of Jew propaganda....!!
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[] - Dr Carrizal
your Chile messages are not enough for me ..be transparent please !!
Tit
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0You still sound angry but I haven't provoked you so it cant be me.
You go on to say that you'll only reply to one thing and then go on and on and on. Mostly insults mind but hey “water off a ducks back” from a tosser like you .
1) I'm stalking because I want to raise points - Well I said expressing opinions and answering any issues that might be raised. How is this stalking?
2) no one who followed our exchange would agree - So you speak for everybody that happened to view our exchanges before you had them removed? Are you really that full of shit?
3)You haven't stated any opinions - Think I have stated quite a few- especially about you being a despicable racist creep, that you tell lies and that you crawl away to Mercopress when you get upset.
4) Afro Spanish a term you seem to take great exception to and are at pains to make it clear that you ain't either Spanish or Afro. You are so up yourself that you are unaware that the Spanish and Portuguese are a result of their shared past and interaction, over 400 years, with the Moors of North Africa. This has been discussed before on other threads. Its simply a fact. Any innuendo is just inside your diseased racist mind.
5) Campaign - What campaign?
6) Why do you want me to try harder to insult you, Do you enjoy it? do you get a kick out of being abused? I've heard about women like that. This is not really the forum for that sort of thing and anyway chances are that you'd just get all flustered again and run off crying about the nasty mans posts.
7) Wow how deep and original - Thank you titty, I knew you'd like that.
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Sep 23rd, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The content, and therefore context, of Chilean speech can be easily compared with that of other countries – in Argentina you hear ‘Che boludo’as often as you do ‘huevon’ in Chile. Likewise ‘hijo de puta’ for ‘conchasumadre”, etc. Been to the USA or watched any western media lately? Checked out the amount of vulgar/obscene language floating around? You Latins can be so anachronistic when you want to be… As a Brazilian you can’t talk – how many ‘puta k pareu’, ‘filho de puta”, ‘tome no cu’, etc, that I have to listen to on a regular basis, you wouldn’t want to know. Would you be a Paulista, by any chance?
As far as your -
“I wouldn't say nationalism is any more passioned in the places you mentioned as it is in Chile. Since the 90s there's been a conscious drive towards Westernization - which coincided with the implementation of neoliberal reforms - and a rejection of national cultural movements in such countries as Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay: at least from the part of the middle-classes.”
goes-
Well, I haven’t been in S Am for some years, and you may be right. It very well may have changed in the manner that you say, but why would this have occurred in Chile more than any other society? I would, do, and will continue to say that this stronger sense of nationalism has not raised its ugly head in Chile any more than it has elsewhere, and, if it has, it would be a legacy of the Pinochet regime.
Also, Chile always was more westernized, going back to 1840, +/_, than any other S Am country. One of the reasons of their (general) unpopularity is due to their ability to adapt to changing trends more quickly and efficiently. Maybe they learnt better after having been shafted for so long by the Spanish, Peruvians, Bolivians, and, to a lesser extent, the Argentines. They learnt how to fend for themselves out of necessity. Why are you so biased against them? The Argies, with their always in-your-face agro, are much more of a pain in the neck, to put it politely!
The
@238
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Does this have anything to do with your experiences in the church and army? ”My sphincter is perfectly fine doc, untouched but on the other hand, I cannot say the same thing about yours. What is this fantasy land that you are talking about? and please don't go crazy on the self medication, you can loose your DEA or DPS certificate ...
http://iuhuru.com/2010/07/spains-black-african-links/
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 03:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An interesting article setting out the cultural inheritance of Spain/Portugal which was then transferred to South America
“They stamped Southern Europe.... with an indelible signature.....They bequeathed a priceless intellectual and cultural legacy which propelled Europe into a position of global pre-eminence”.
@235 Forgetit87
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I didn't get upset. Instead I got frustrated with the basic level of your debating skills. For you debating is posting some random link, as if the truth of the universe can be unveiled through Google or BBC.
So it is ok for you to post links to the ill treatment of Mau-Mau terrorists 50 years ago ,but you dont like it when I demonstrate to you via links Brazils ill treatment to its own people more recently?
@BS
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry but I won't read your BS. One can be excused for writing long posts if one can raise good points and develop an interest argument about a subject. This isn't your case. You write empty shit, so you have to be concise if you want people to read you. Now, I'll try to ignore you and I urge you to do the same. Funny that now you admit you were stalking (yeah, that I did read. :) )
@sticky
My message was about the British army, or some other British force, occupying and mutilating members of a foreign nation. Was there any context that could excuse what they did? Your post was only some statistic BBC pulled out of its ass on the number of “civilians” killed by the Rio police - many, perhaps the great majority of which, were individuals with ties with drug gangs who were killed in combats with the police. In 2005 BBC developed an obsession about such deaths in Brazil as a result of the Jean Charles Menezes's killing at the hands of the British police. BBC probably felt that by mud-slinging the Brazil it could save the face of the UK police. Rather lowly mindset, don't you think? And by contrast, when the BBC says anything on the UK, it won't be anything but good stuff. For example, a recent BBC doc about the Chagossian islands completely sidelined the natives' plight to argue that the environmental outlook in the islands improved after the natives were expelled. The rascals! Now, if it was some native tribe that had been expelled from the Amazon, no doubt BBC's rhetoric would have been quite different. This is the stance adopted by the European press. Bad-mouth Third World countries, be condescendent, portray them as sexist, racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic and what not... but when talking about Europe itself it will be nothing but self-indulgent.
you cant win
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so you wish to slag of my country as well.
keep it between yourselves
and leave the nuns alone
[] - 244 Dr.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i understood your distress on Chile..
BUT
here is not hits place to discuss the problem... !!
BBC pulled out of its ass
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did Amnesty pull this out of its asss?
The killing of a judge by gunmen near Rio de Janeiro highlights the city’s profound problems with police corruption
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/police-suspected-armed-ambush-killed-brazilian-judge-2011-08-16
Amnesty International Calls for End to Police Violence
By Fabíola Ortiz
RIO DE JANEIRO, Apr 28, 2011 (IPS) - The Brazilian government must “put its house in order” and take a firm stand on respect for human rights if it wants a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, said Amnesty International (AI) secretary-general Salil Shetty.
the BBC says anything on the UK, it won't be anything but good
Are you for real?
British Mau Mau abuse papers revealed
http://www.amnesty.org/en/news-and-updates/police-suspected-armed-ambush-killed-brazilian-judge-2011-08-16
You're doing it again, sticky. Those links are reporting isolated incidents. Or is the death of a judge the same as a statistic? If you don't see the difference, then don't complain if I call you stupid. Anyway, I don't wanna argue about that. I was instead discussing the double standards the Euro media adopts when they cover those subjects, when they report on “human rights” violations in Europe compared to other regions. Amnesty International: I'll never forget that shortly after Jean Charles was killed it joined the British media campaign to minimize his murder by adducing Brazil's problems. As if what happens in here excuses away the shit Britain does. No doubt a great part of “human rights” or environmentalist NGOs are in bed with Euro governments and are used by them to advance their political agenda. An evidence: an op-ed that appeared on The Guardian which was written by some scumbag who's a member at some UK environmentalist NGO; in it he defended BBC's reduction of the Chagossian issue to the enviromentalist POV: and that was after it became known, through a cable Wikileaks published in late 2010, that a US diplomat wrote of the UK Parliament's decision to declare the Chagossian islands an area of environmental protection as clever excuse to avoid giving in to the Chagossians' demands to return home.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're so sensitive to any criticisms of the UK, that you won't hear anything about it without bringing about some links about other nations. Be an adult for once and try to argue with a cool head. I'll remind you of this: when I told you many of those murders are the result of street combats, you dismissed me saying it looked like the Rio police executes people without giving them the chance to defend themselves at courts. Now, is the UK police any better? The London riots exploded after some UNARMED Black criminal was shot by police (and it seemed Blacks were specially targeted among UK groups): not very different from the Rio police. So don't preach.
for all i know..
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BBC is busted by budget reasons....
Anyway, I don't wanna argue about
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well I will take your lead and talk about what I want to,which is the merits of your Police and ours ref police killings,put simply we aint arf as good as you lot
Police shootings Britain
2000 2010
http://inquest.gn.apc.org/website/statistics/deaths-in-police-custody/police-shootings
A state attorney general in Brazil ordered the expulsion of 34 military police officers in Sao Goncalo, where a high-profile criminal judge was gunned down in August in a murder linked to the military police.
Arrest warrants were issued for 28 of the police officers, who are charged with committing extrajudicial killings, reports Terra Brazil.
The officers all serve in the military police's 7th Battalion, based in Sao Goncalo, which has been accused of police brutality. According to data kept by Human Rights Watch, in 2009 at least 62 police officers committed suspicious killings they claimed were carried out in self-defense.
Reuters) - Police frequently kill criminal suspects and ordinary citizens in Brazil, driving up the homicide rate in what is already one of the world's most violent countries, the United Nations said on Monday.
In a 49-page report, the U.N. Human Rights Council also concluded that a sizable portion of the Brazilian population in high-crime areas supports extrajudicial killings and vigilante justice in the absence of an efficient criminal justice system.
I take it you are one of the “ sizable portion” in favour extrajudicial killings,just as well they don’t riot after each killing, like they do in England
“You're so sensitive to any criticisms of the UK, that you won't hear anything about it without bringing about some links about other nations.”
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny how predictable you are. Not a good way to dodge the issue if I can guess your moves beforehand. My point from the beginning, as seen on post #248, was that the Euro media was biased. You're the one who changed the subject because you feel comfortable with this persistent mud-slinging: that's all 5th World brain can do. I ask you to argue as an adult -- but instead you post another link to do the thinking for you. As I said, this is a common weakness among most British users on Mercopress: they're rather dumb. Some, like you, are extremely predictable as well. Continue posting your links if it makes you feel better about your rogue police -- which, in contrast to police officers in here, won't even be punished after killing innocents (Jean Charles, for example). I have no business with you. Just like to remind you of something: UK Blacks have complained about police brutality for quite a while. The death of the latest thug was only the last straw that ignited the riots. Don't be too kind on yourself thinking that murder was some sort of exception to the rule. But of course, you'll refute me with some link on Brazil. :)
you'll refute me with some link on Brazil. :)
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i'd hate to disappoint ya
RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) — The last time Juan Moraes' mother saw him alive, she asked the 11-year-old and his brother to run an errand. On their way back, her two boys ran into police gunfire.
The older boy, Wesley, 14, was hit in the shoulder and the leg. He saw Juan fall, bleeding, and crawled away for help. When he came back, Juan had vanished.
http://news.yahoo.com/brazil-childs-death-spotlights-police-killings-115943684.html
I take it you approve as one of the “ sizable portion”
Yes it is Lazy,but sooooo easy TYPE BRAZIL POLICE MURDERS,and Bobs your uncle
248 Tit
Sep 24th, 2011 - 08:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Read again you thick prick.
Your pathetic accusation was copied so that it could be conveniently answered, honestly and succinctly.
Now get this - I will continue reading and answering any posts I choose.
I will allow one correction - it would appear that the Brazilian Melting Pot hasn't worked as well as first thought.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AASusCA0XVA&feature=related
There could be trouble ahead. What do you think Tithead?
240/244
Sep 25th, 2011 - 02:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Contd...
Then, on the other hand, if what you mean is that this conscious drive towards westernization is only happening in Chile, or more so there than in other countries, I would have to ask you the following -
“What are you trying to say? This is meaningless, and verging on asinine, drivel! Which middle class in any S Am country ever gave a f*** about anything other than the duration its own life cycle? Middle classes in S Am only exist when the economy is thriving – they begin to disappear at the start of any downward trend in the economy.
Did you cut and paste this from some Sociology 201 text? Any more comments on the superficial, popularistic and mindless nationalism as exhibited in international sporting competitions such as the soccer fanaticism displayed by Brazil and Argentina, especially ?
242 geo your Chile messages are not enough for me ..be transparent please !!
What sort of Bush speak is this? “Transparent”, like “absolutely”, has become another meaningless cliché…
250 geo2 (#)
Yes it is – this blog is about the Chilean mayor
“The death of the latest thug was only the last straw that ignited the riots”
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you actually think that it just shows how much you dont know about the UK.
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