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UN concern with Argentina’s “discriminatory attitudes” towards migrant workers and children
The United Nations Committee on migrant workers expressed concern at Argentina’s “discriminatory attitudes” against citizens from African countries, particularly Senegal and neighbouring countries Bolivia and Paraguay. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesAnd all this time argie bogglers have been accusing the British, of things they were doing all along,
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Abusing people human rights,
And they try to conn the world into believing they have changed,
[A leopard never changes his spots ]
So much for the self-lauded record on Human Rights.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Daft Rascists, tut
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine unemployed is very high and they hire migrant workers? Doesn't make sense at all.
Sep 23rd, 2011 - 10:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So much for the self-lauded record on Human Rights,uk records are FAR WORSE geof....anyway,is happens inside Argentina,we do not bother outside,like uk agains INdia,Rodhesia,etc......
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4 Unemployment is at roughly 6% - so hardly “very high”. Additionally, Argentina doesn't “hire” migrant workers. Argentina has had a long tradition of open doors to anyone who wants to live in that country. It doesn't criminalise immigration and naturally does receive people from poorer countries.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unemployment is at roughly 6%
Sep 24th, 2011 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Those are INDEC numbers and we all know those are fairy tale numbers.
INDEC is a joke with their statistics numbers of unemployment, poverty and inflation.
Argentina had a long tradition of receiving people, until the great default, many argies and foreigners left and still are leaving for better opportunities, though Argentine economy is growing (according to INDEC)
Did any of you, British Turnips, read this article?
Sep 24th, 2011 - 08:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or better yet, the positive Report from the UN Committee on Migrant Workers?
http://www.ohchr.org/en/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=11366&LangID=E
1) ”The UN Committee regretted statements in the Argentine media which associate migrant workers with crime...”
*The same smutty media our government is regulating by law.
2) ”Xenophobic statements from politicians”
*The same politicians our government is defeating by +40 points. (M. Macri, the neo-conservative mayor of Buenos Aires, comes to mind)
3) ”Discriminatory actions towards migrant children in schools”
*The same teachers, administratively discharged when revealing fascist tendencies as racism or the vindication of policies of dictatorships past.
4) “The Committee recommends energetic measures to eliminate discriminatory stereotypes through the strict application of legislation and making law enforcement officers, politicians and journalists more sensitive to the issue……and teachers to respect the dignity and cultural identity of migrant children.”
*Refer to points 1, 2 and 3 above.
5) ”The Committee recommends to control employment contracting practices in textiles, agriculture and with domestic workers so that migrants can enjoy the same conditions as nationals.”
*The case of the illegal sweatshops of J. Awada, current wife of M. Macri, the neo-conservative mayor of Buenos Aires comes to mind.
6) “Other recommendations include extending the universal child allowance to the children of the migrant workers in irregular situation, and the non-contribution social benefits in cases of extreme social vulnerability”.
*Universal Child Allowance and Non-Contributional Social Benefits; two concepts inexistent in Argentina prior to the Kirchner’s Era.
7) I don’t “Think” those pretty girls in that sweatshop at the articles caption are South-Americans.
My qualified guess is that they are Sri Lankans, most probably Sinhalese.
Did any of you, British Turnips, read this article?
Sep 24th, 2011 - 11:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is a possibility but
Did you argentines turnips read the article?
Obviously not,
8 replied
Only one is British, the rest are of South American birth,
And the Briton only repeated on the human rights bit,
But of course if this British turnip got it wrong,
And Argentina has never abused human rights,
Then I suppose that makes me a turnip.
But on the other hand, if the UN and the rest of the world is right, and Argentina has abused peoples right, what does that make you,
Hypocrites, or lies,
Ill stick with the turnip its more honest,
,
TWIMC
Sep 24th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Some excerpts from the “Report of Argentina” by the “UN Committee on the Rights of Migrant Workers”
Raul Pelaez, Permanent Mission of Argentina to the United Nations, said that Argentina had a welcoming policy towards migrants.
Article 20 of the Constitution established that foreigners had the same civil rights as citizens.
There were high standards of protection for migrants, whether for education, health, justice or other aspects of civic life.
Argentina decided to take a strong ethical approach towards helping irregular migrants to regularize.
Between the regularization programmes and the admission of new migrants into the country, Argentina had given out 1,092,606 residency permits between January 2004 and August 2011.
Concluding observations:
JOSE BRILLANTES, said that the Committee was very pleased with the comprehensive report submitted and with the precise answers provided.
He highlighted that it was a dignifying process for the migrant workers because migration was an inalienable right in Argentina.
The Committee noted with satisfaction that all the international human rights treaties had been ratified, as well as the Optional Protocols, except for the one to the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.
The report was of such high quality that it could be considered as a model presentation for other countries about to present their report.
He thanked the delegation for being open and transparent.
Think, etc.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You will remember that I posted a specific condemnation (with reference and link) to the report refuting CFK's belief that she could show the world, through the UN, how to run a country with top class human rights.
The anaysis showed that in EVERY sphere of human rights interest, the ACTUALITY within Argentina was so, so much worse than her declarations.
She might be trying (some would say she is VERY trying ;),
but she - and Argentina - are a million miles away from doing the right thing properly.
(11)
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WooooW..................................A million miles ..............................
That would take about 6 seconds if you where a Photon.
About 4 seconds for a new naughty Neutrino.
Less than a second for an Argentino.
No comment on the substantive point, then, Mr. Think?
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think we must both agree for once.
Geoff...... no substance whatsoever in your so called “points”
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I agree on that..............
Think - you know how to read a reference - especially when I provide you with the link.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the reference and learn the outcomes of the anayses that have been undertaken to the compare the actuality with the political puff.
Geoff.................
Sep 24th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have not the slightest idea about what “link”, “reference” or “whatever” you are referring to.
But knowing you, it wouldn’t surprise me if it was some material from the Heritage Foundation, Fox News or similar………
My “references” about Human Rights are serious organizations like the United Nations, Amnesty International, Survival International etc......
For anyone who has ever traveled or lived in Argentina the discrimination for any dark(er) skinned people is rampant, shocking and ingrained in the society.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I always tell my dark(er) skinned friends to avoid traveling to Argentina because their experience will not be pleasant. You should see how they treat the black Brazilians or the dark skinned Bolivians it is horrible and would never be tolerated in a civilized society.
@ 6 troneas, more jokes please, kirchnerist please, tell us more jokes hahaha
Sep 24th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 17 I once was in the streets of miami and I saw a bus stopping and then a black family trying to jump in the bus, but the driver moves away from them, then the bus stopped again, and the black family walked and tried to jump in the bus again, finally the driver drove away from the black family and the man started to cry, it was horrible to see that.
But don't think that because they're black they're good people, yankeeboy, you know that's a lie! Bolivians? they can't live without pooping in the streets or peeing on your front door!!! have you seen them? some of them are good people, but those who behave like animals are always playing the race card and saying they're poor victims.
Watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8bEX-y1nr8&feature=related
if you're black, brown, yellow, pink, blue, white violet and you do bad things you must pay for that, it doesn't matter what colour you are!!!
Think, . . for you:
Sep 24th, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 02010 Human Rights Reports: Argentina
(April 8, 2011)
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154491.htm
1 Respect for the Integrity of the Person, including freedom from:
•Arbitrary or Unlawful Deprivation of Life
•Disappearance
•Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
Treatment or Punishment
Prison and Detention Center Conditions
•Arbitrary Arrest or Detention
Role of the Police and Security Apparatus
Arrest Procedures and Treatment While in Detention
•Denial of Fair Public Trial
Trial Procedures
Political Prisoners and Detainees
Civil Judicial Procedures and Remedies
•Arbitrary Interference with Privacy, Family, Home, or Correspondence
2 Respect for Civil Liberties, including
•Freedom of Speech and Press
•Internet Freedom
•Academic Freedom and Cultural Events
•Freedom of Peaceful Assembly and Association
•Freedom of Religion (and see www.state.gov/g/drl/irf/rpt/.)
•Freedom of Movement, Internally Displaced Persons, Protection of Refugees, and Stateless Persons
•Protection of Refugees
3 Respect for Political Rights: The Right of Citizens to Change Their Government
•Elections and Political Participation
•Political parties generally operated without restriction.
4 Official Corruption and Government Transparency
5 Governmental Attitude Regarding International and Nongovernmental Investigation of Alleged Violations of Human Rights
6 Discrimination, Societal Abuses, and Trafficking in Persons
•Women
•Children
•Anti-semitism
•Trafficking in Persons
•Persons with Disabilities
•National/Racial/Ethnic Minorities
•Indigenous People
•Societal Abuses, Discrimination, and Acts of Violence Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity
•Other Societal Violence or Discrimination
7 Worker Rights
•The Right of Association
•The Right to Organize and Bargain Collectively
•Prohibition of Forced or Compulsory Labor
•Prohibition of Child Labor and Minimum Age for Employment
•Acceptable Conditions of Work
geoffward's life = staring at a computer screen, furiously spazzing all day every day on mercopress
Sep 24th, 2011 - 06:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i guess argentina got him ULTRA butthurt for life, maybe an argentine f#cked his wife or somethin, lol, dude is f@cked in the head, what a pathetic sad “life”
* 19 geoff
Sep 24th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0US has any sayings about human rights ??
would you want some US statistics ??
#20
Sep 24th, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0takes very little time to search, post & learn if you've been doing it all your life.
The rest of the time - beach-life, etc, etc.
Of course it does help to be retired.
. . . . currently I am posting whilst watching 'A Onde' (in the original German, with Portuguese sub-titles), about the social meme - attitudinal development - of autocracy (=Fascism) and anarchism.
. . . . having sampled quatro cervejas in a beach baracca with my Saturday friends of many nations, watched a jubarte traverse the praia, I am just about to go and buy flowers meats, etc, for a BBQ tomorrow.
Seriously, if this is your idea of a sad life, you life must one hell of a forró.
(19) Geoff
Sep 24th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You just give the headings….Did you bother to read the content?
2010 Human Rights Reports Argentina
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/wha/154491.htm
Respect for the Integrity of the Person, including freedom from Arbitrary or Unlawful Deprivation of Life:
The government or its agents did not commit any politically motivated killings
Disappearance:
There were no reports of politically motivated disappearances
Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment:
The law prohibits torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment and provides penalties for torture similar to those for homicide
Prison and Detention Center Conditions:
Prison conditions often were poor. Inmates in many facilities suffered from extreme overcrowding
Arbitrary Arrest or Detention:
The law prohibits arbitrary arrest and detention, and the government generally observed these prohibitions
Arrest Procedures and Treatment While in Detention:
Persons generally were apprehended openly with warrants based on sufficient evidence and issued by a duly authorized official
Fair Public Trial:
The law provides for the right to a fair trial, and the judiciary generally enforced this right
Political Prisoners and Detainees:
There were no reports of political prisoners or detainees
Civil Judicial Procedures and Remedies:
There is an independent and impartial judiciary in civil matters
Respect for Civil Liberties, including Freedom of Speech and Press:
The constitution provides for freedom of speech and of the press, and the government generally respected these rights in practice. The independent media were numerous and active, expressing a wide variety of views
Respect for Political Rights:
The constitution provides citizens the right to change their government peacefully, and citizens exercised this right in practice through periodic, free and fair elections based on universal suffrage
I could go on and on and on…… What seems to be your problem?
Prison and Detention Center Conditions:
Sep 24th, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prison conditions often were poor. Inmates in many facilities suffered from extreme overcrowding
Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment:
The law prohibits torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment and provides penalties for torture similar to those for homicide
Try this one Think
http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/argentina/report-2010
Prison conditions
Poor conditions, violence, overcrowding, lack of adequate health services, torture and other ill-treatment were reported in prisons and detention centres in Santiago del Estero and Mendoza provinces. The national authorities failed to set up a mechanism for the prevention of torture as required by the Optional Protocol to the UN Convention against Torture
And generally speaking
Fair Public Trial:
The law provides for the right to a fair trial, and the judiciary generally enforced this right
Arbitrary Arrest or Detention:
The law prohibits arbitrary arrest and detention, and the government generally observed these prohibitions
Respect for Civil Liberties, including Freedom of Speech and Press:
The constitution provides for freedom of speech and of the press, and the government generally respected these rights in practice. The independent media were numerous and active, expressing a wide variety of views
generally ?
I am trying to show you a BALANCED Report and assessment of the human rights status of Argentina, Think.
Sep 24th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have no vested interest in showing things as worse than they are - hell, we could do this with and about ANY country in the world.
But I am certainly not going to allow even a president to present this, or any other, country as being a haven of virtue when the facts on the ground show this not to be the case.
lol @ geoffward's pathetic screen staring spazz “life”
Sep 25th, 2011 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0(25) Geoff
Sep 25th, 2011 - 05:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t know what you are “trying to show” but I know that you are failing miserably…..
For us, thinking South-Americans, Human Rights are vital. We have felt their absence in our flesh and we bear the scars.
Just a fresh example from todays MercoPress:
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/24/human-rights-watch-praises-critical-support-from-four-latam-countries
For too many Brits (and other first world democracies), HR have become just academic rights that may be disregarded for political or economical gains or even because of some induced fear of losing “something”
Just a good and classic Yankee punchline:
For those that fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know
Think,
Sep 25th, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe the better speeches on Freedom were those of Churchill. Though the language of human rights was unknown to him, he spoke powerfully of human responsibilities.
Yes, the British, wherever in the world they are, know about freedom - the absence of it, and the fighting for it.
Re Human Rights:
my posting was not unduly critical of Argentina and the provision for progress since the excesses of the past.
The distance between the aspiration in the Argentinian documents, designed to protect the people and their rights, and the falling-short of the aspiration, is well represented in my reference (which I have indeed, read fully).
A 'school report' on the matter would read “Showing improvement. Knows where he wants to go. Still significant room for improvement.”
Churchill..................
Sep 25th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As you say; “the language of human rights was unknown to him”
Freedom for the chosen..................... YES!
Not for the “rabble”
Argentinians like to play lip service and pretend superiority on human rights when anyone visiting BA for 1 day can see it is just that.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 02:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone can go to Florida Ave to see 5 y/o children begging all day and then at midnight searching through trash for food or recyclables. Lots of advertisements for “young” prostitutes being handed out in flyers or stuck to the light poles.
Pretending shock when Supreme Court Judges have their apartments raided because they are prostituting young Paraguayan/Bolivian girls, yet everyone for blocks knows who owns the place and what is going on.
Vigilantes burning down a house with someone in there. Police kidnapping and killing teen boys when they can't get a conviction. Bouncers at discos beating a kids to death or just leaving them crippled, are these the white kids from San Isidro, I think not. These people never get convicted especially the dirty cops, judges or politicians.
As I said, the prejudiced is ingrained in their society it will never change. Their Superiority is just a facade hiding a rotting core.
27 //For those that fought for it, freedom has a flavour the protected will never know
Sep 25th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Something sadly you argentines have forgotten about,
And the Falklands islanders will never forget Argentina, that’s for sure,
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As for you human rights,
The truth it,
ALL countries have abused peoples, human rights over that last 50 odd years, including Argentina,
No better and no worse, depending on ones point of view,
Briton,
Sep 25th, 2011 - 11:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if yankeeboy is right about the abuses he relates in #30, then you are wrong - some are better and some are very, very much worse.
But, there again, yankeeboy may be mistaken about the situation in Argentina.
29 Think (#)
Churchill..................As you say; “the language of human rights was unknown to him”
Think, the only reason it was unknown to Churchill was because the language had not, before our lifetime, been fixed in legislation.
The British fought hard for freedom from domination, (twice, etc),
for women's rights (suffragettes),
for abolition of slavery (Wilberforce),
for workplace rights (1929 General Strike),
etc,
etc.
I think your problem is that, in Britain, much of this social revolution happened a very long time ago.
South American experience is only just taking place.
The present British problem is that the pendulum has swung a bit too far in a number of areas - and I cite, for example, Fathers Rights when divorce involves children.
OK, you are 'reinventing the wheel'
just remember that it has been invented many times before.
32 GeoffWard2
Sep 26th, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps we are both correct,
As I don’t live there , I would not be understandable of the amount of abuses,
So its a point of view,
The western world seems to expose more and it embarrasses them [perhaps] to improve this, but certain other countries cover these facts up, to the out side world,
you are of course correct, that in more and more cases, especially in the UK, the human rights act, is becoming a joke, and should be removed, and replaced by a British bill of right, [opinion again]
But, will the world ever get it right, will we ever do away with human abuse, perhaps a change in people attitude may well help
thanks .
(32) GeoffWard
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a big bucket of horse manure…………..............................................
Europe, after almost destroying itself twice in the 20’th century, exhausted and broke, was forced to accept the new order imposed by the Americans.
That included the United Nations and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
If it wasn’t for those two World Wars, you Brits would still be playing Sahibs all over the planet.
Argentina and most other South-American Nations were founding members of the United Nations.
So………… we are not “Reinventing any Wheel” dear chap…
What we are finally doing is regaining control of our affairs after that other Northern Hemisphere World War (The Cold one) did cost us nearly 40 years of our history.
1948, when the world paused to take a breath from the killing, and to build on the pre-existing best and, where the best was not good enough, to lead the world to the shining uplands of the rights of man.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Truely, Think, we have so much to thank the Americans for, and you are right to remind us of this.
So many good aspirations.
Where did we all go wrong - for there isn't a nation on Earth that fulfills all the Articles of the Declaration?
And so many nations still a million miles away from achieving the aspirations (= obligations of signators).
South America was party to the drafting, and has ever since been party to monitoring for compliance.
Hence my initial posting re: Argentina, where compliance is shown to fall well short of obligation.
Even so, Think @ #34 is an interesting take on an interesting topic
founding members of the United Nations.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of 50 countries
Republic of China
France
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
United States of America
Argentina Brazil Chile Cuba
followed by the other 40,,
so not entirley true is it,
mmmmmmmm
Goodness, hadn't noticed this thread until now. A lecture on human rights by El 'British squatters are the scum of the earth' Think.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, still full of crap.
What is sticky doing, criticizing Argentina's “racism” and “xenophobia”? If he thinks he can defend the UK against any sort of criticism by looking for self-serving links to bash another country and then say to the interlocutor he doesn't have the right to point to UK's mistakes -- then he too, according to his own “clever” method, doesn't have the right to criticize Argentina - or any other nation for that matter.
Sep 27th, 2011 - 05:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK discrimination against immigrants.
http://www.ndtv.com/news/diaspora/immigrants_in_britain_face_discrimination.php
http://www.ndtv.com/news/diaspora/immigrants_in_britain_face_discrimination.php
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