Experiment with ‘faster than light’ neutrino particles open dreams of time travel

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Sub-atomic particles apparently travelling faster than light could force a major rethink of theories about how the cosmos works and even allow dreams of time travel and extra dimensions, scientists said on Friday. Read full article

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Think
Chuckle Chuckle™

Only one thing faster than Neutrinos…….....................................:
Argentinos
(How else do you think so many of us manage to ”jump” the USA border :-)

Seriously now….............................................................
An ex-daughter in law works at CERN (niiiiice girl, could kick my son) and confirms this.
Hot, hot news………………………......................... If you are into Neutrinos.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 05:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
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stick up your junta
Only one thing faster than Neutrinos

Argie soldiers, legging it away from the Brits back to Stanley in 1982
Sep 25th, 2011 - 01:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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GeoffWard2
The speedy neutrino is effective because it is the son (or daughter) of the muon – itself the decay product of the pion.

In the sub-atomic mayhem created when cosmic ‘rays’ from galactic explosions of super-novae penetrate the solar system’s magnetic heliosphere and then the upper earth’s atmosphere, these charged particles known as muons, individually with the mass of 200 electrons, have the time – through Einsteinian relativity – to each form two neutrinos in the process of decaying to mere electrons.

In strictly utilitarian terms, these ‘zillions’ of charged particles – the muons and neutrinos (etc) – can do a lot of atmospheric chemistry, but what they do REALLY WELL in the lower atmosphere is seed the sky with charged ‘specks’ that form the the big majority of the condensation-nuclei for cloud-formation.

Thus, cosmic ‘rays’ form clouds; clouds alter the atmospheric warming/cooling; . . . . . .and CO2 is relegated to a minor anthropogenic influence in climate change.

This is the non-PC message of 20 years of research by Svensmark and the cosmoclimatologists.
It should destroy the politico-scientific consensus of CO2 and world carbon trading.

It will continue to be suppressed.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
Ohhhhh….. Please Geoff……..
More “Old Wine in new Bottles?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/03/cosmoclimatology-tired-old-arguments-in-new-clothes/

I still remember when I was a kid, the sewers ended directly into our river.
The “experts” said our river could take it.
I wanted to believe them.
They lied.

I still remember when I was a young man, the sewers ended now into the sea.
The “experts” said the sea could take it
I needed to believe them.
They lied.

Now some “experts” say that we can pollute our air as much as we want.
Cosmic radiation and volcanoes are the real culprits, they say.
I do not believe them anymore.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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GeoffWard2
Fully familiar with the AGW invective and the responses of the vested-interest groups.

Rasmus's Real Climate blog-piece (your link) is a good example of scientific knocking-copy, written as a first response before proper scientists construct the experiments to confirm or refute.

Nobody has yet shot down the correlation between GCR & low cloud cover, or the ascription of cloud and water vapour as being more important than CO2 in the GW argument.

Subsequent research has strengthened the link so even the ICCG has to acknowledge it, even though it runs counter to the conventional wisdom of AGW and the 'hockey stick'.

Cloud science is today's cutting-edge GW stuff, and you r 'old wine' tag is denigratory and without the authority to back it up.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Think
The “ vested-interest groups” are the ones you represent , dear Geoff.....
You must be the only one in here that hasn't noticed yet...............
The issues here are:
Can mankind stop cosmic radiation?
Can mankind stop volcanic eruptions?
Can mankind stop burning fossil fuels?
Sep 25th, 2011 - 05:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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jerry
6- One comment on your list: Can mankind stop burning fossil fuels? Of course they can, but most the world would cease to function in a hurry. Meantime, mankind burning fossil fuels for a long time cannot approach what Old Mother Nature can produce almost instantaneously.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Conqueror
I like the idea of time travel. With the benefit of hindsight, we could go back and make sure that the British Empire really was/is “the empire on which the sun never sets”. We could also makes sure “argies” don't ever exist. I fancy a 50,000 acre ranch on the east coast of south america. And why would we not shoot any potential Spanish or Italian colonists? They were crap in the Original World.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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zethe
You don't like the argys because they wish to impose rule on the falklands yet would like to go back in time to a point where we imposed rule on a quater of the world.

Double standard.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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GeoffWard2
Think #6
I must be unique amongst vested interest groups, as I speak for myself alone - a vested interest group of one.
I also have years of posting on this topic (AGW), and most would place my c. of g. within the ICCG concensus.
But as new science develops, I mould my position to the best science available.

You ask:
Can mankind stop cosmic radiation? No
Can mankind stop volcanic eruptions? No
Can mankind stop burning fossil fuels? jerry #7 has answered this one, and it addresses the limits of human intervention.

I believe the cusp of catastrophy has been reached - the present climate pattern defined by 'natural' and anthropogenic forcing - and we will settle into a new stable state which, by definition, will suit the human species less well.
Much accommodation will be necessary, though - like the Boiled Frog - we may only perceive it over one's lifetime via news reports of extreme weather conditions, etc.
Trying to slow or reverse it will be like an emergency stop for a bulk marine tanker.
Sep 25th, 2011 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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Artillero601
@9

Double standard.... No shit ! :-)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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