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G77 urges UK to return to Malvinas sovereignty negotiations with Argentina
For the first time ever the 131 Foreign Affaire ministers from the countries in the G77 coalition plus China urged the United Kingdom to return to negotiations with Argentina over the sovereignty of the Falklands/Malvinas Islands, the Argentine Foreign Ministry informed on Sunday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis plonker cannot get his facts even 5% correct either can he! Please can any Argentine show me- an Islander some proof of where the UK is exploiting themselves natural resources!! As for the harm the dispute is doing Argentina,s economy!!!- hell I did not know we had such a power - lets go for it - got some nails Think?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Negotiating under the Principles of the UN Charter will totally fxxx Argentinas arguments anyway!!
And yet another nail.....................
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0ouch
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0It´s important to say that there are several commonwelth countries among G77 members.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another evidence that british influence is at it lowest point and that the conflict is becaming an obstacle for them.
It´s time for an honourable settlement, britain must leave southatlantic so kelpers and argentines can live in peace and prosperity.
The Foreign Ministry says - nothing here -
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/
Or here -
http://www.mrecic.gov.ar/
Googling doesn't seem to work, not in english anyway.
Not that it matters very much :-)
When Chine gets out of Tibet we'll think about talking to the Argies :-))
Why does argentina persist in these pointless exercises to get irrelavent organizations to try and bully UK into abandoning the Democratic rights of islanders. It has been made crystal clear to argentina that the only people UK will take orders from on this issue are the Falkland Islanders. G77 can do as it pleases UK will Veto any attempt to use the UN to attack the islanders Democratic rights to self determination.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sod 'em :-)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Have you seen the list of members? Well known for their efforts in the forefront of democracy :-))
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/09/26/g77-urges-uk-to-return-to-malvinas-sovereignty-negotiations-with-argentina#comment65864
No. Now what are you going to do about it? Oh yes, I remember, nothing.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Insisting ! Urging !
Sep 26th, 2011 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or - “Ministers reaffirmed the need for the Government of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to resume negotiations in accordance with the principles and objectives of the United Nations Charter and relevant resolutions of the Assembly General, in order to find as soon as possible a peaceful solution to the dispute over sovereignty, ”the statement approved“ by acclamation ”
So - same as most statements then !
And 'acclamation' = no vote. Acclamation also means 'no objections' but then there's no opportunity to abstain.
All in all, plenty of wriggle room for those cunning politicians to use later. “Oh no, I didn't agree, I abstained” :-)
”The G77 and China is made up of 131 countries and is because of its number the largest negotiating block in the UN and Argentina currently holds the chair (2011).”
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina holds the chair .... and everyone really doesn't want to hear Argentina whining about the Falklands incessantly for the next year. La plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.
It would be more amusing if the British Government agreed to talks, then televised them ripping Argentina's claims apart.
Starting with the expulsion that never happened.
The Argies will clutch at any straw. Very amusing. I wonder when they'll be thanking Iran for it's support of their Falklands claim?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0So the Falkland Islands “seriously hinder Argentina's economic capabilities”.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good.
And long may it continue.
If true, reckon the UK should do a bit more hindering and withdraw aid from a few more of those dead beat Countries in the G77.
Maybe its time for someone to urge the Spanish settlers in Argentina to open urgent negotiations with the indigenous population with a view to returning their land to them!!
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0The only thing seriously hindering Argentine economic capabilities is Argentina, and thats only because its full of Argentines.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Its about time that the members of the Legislative Assembly started its own PR campaign and fast ! The Argentine government are going around the world making friends and spreading its own brand of the truth and it would appear that the Falklands Goevernment sitting on its hands waiting for Billy boy Haig to do all the work.Well its about time they took the fight to the Argentines and corrects all their lies by going to the to the Chinese ,Iranians,Indians,Brazilians et all and putting the true history to them and not the Argentine version. I would hope that every member of the G77 group get a history lesson ...THIS WEEK from the members of the Legislative Assembly and that the members answer and correct every piece of bull put out by Jorge Arguello and his “Malvinas” propaganda department.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your right Viscount Falklands its time to be pro-active. Britain & the Falklands should call Argentina's bluff & take the matter the ICJ themselves. This will put Kercher's government in a terrible situation. Argentina will then be forced to prove its claim ( something we all know its unwilling to do). It would be a nightmare for her government as they will have to publicly reject UN mediation the very thing they have gone round the world demanding.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0But then ... there's the British 'stone wall' :-)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why argue? Better just to repeat!
“We have no doubts about our sovereignty ..... ” etc, etc
The 'British Square' has become the 'British Brick Wall' lol
How is it hindering the Argentine economy? I assume something to do with wanting to steal the Falklanders oil?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think Argentina should be shown up in front of the world for its attemps to hinder the Falklands economy !
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Now now Jorge stop getting so excited, let us recap what exactly the members of G-77 said, they:
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0”Insisted on the need to have the Argentine and the British governments to return to negotiations, in accordance with the principles and goals stated in the UN Charter and the pertinent resolutions reached during the General Assembly in order to swiftly find a peaceful solution to the sovereignty dispute”
They did not:
1. State that it seriously hindered Argentina’s economic capabilities (that was an extra made up by the Argentines)
2. State concerns about the extraction of natural resources. (that was another after thought by the Argentines)
3. State that the UK is a colonial power. (that was another afterthought by the Argentines)
4. State that the UK has no right to extract those resources. (that was another afterthought by the Argentines)
5. State that the UK does so through the might of its military power. (that too is another after thought by the Argentines)
Nor did the G-77 state that:
1. That the Falklands is occupied Argentine territory
2. Or that it was conquered.
3. Or conquered by force.
4. Or that it should be returned to Argentina.
So what it boils down to is a yet another rehashing of the same phrases yet again....
So nothing really important or ground breaking yet again :)
Jorge Arguello is obviously desperately trying to get in CFK's favor before the inevitable cabinet reshuffle after the next election or otherwise mistress CFK will be displeased if her UN lap dog doesn't do his bit to get the nationalist masses foaming at the mouth back home and senor Arguello will be minus a job and the all expenses paid for grace and favor $4 million penthouse suite the Argentine Foreign ministry provides for him in downtown Manhattan :)
is time to do something...
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Billy Hayes
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain must leave south Atlantic so kelpers and argentines can live in peace and prosperity.
nice to know we are wanted ??
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As for the rest of the crap, yes I see Argentina getting more and more powerful with its voice, it seems they are achieving more with crap, than they ever did with war,
But whenever imright or wrong, its seems a great pity that british polititions seem to turn a blind eye and do nothing, I have been saying for quite a while , that the Falklands people, need to move, and move fast, to get the british government of its fat lazy corupt arse,, sorry theirs no other way to put it,
I think the polititions hope , that the pressure will get so great, that hey will say,
Sorry Falklands, you have to go, its not our fault you understand, [pressure] we can do nothing,
The Europeans have dropped you, we can do nothing, but blame others, and walk away,
I don’t trust politicians now or ever, and as the argentines are pushing like the wind, the islanders should be worried,
As the British government seems to be doing very little to stop this, or indeed counteract this thing,
This would not be the first time, or the last, the British have been caught out, and shammed,
Just my opinion, but I think the islanders need to push this ICJ thing [now] and get the government of its arse, [now] its your islands, who do you trust most ?
Last year the yanks were worried enough to note this, the more the British decline, the worst your chances will get, we need to stop this decline, and the British to re-invest in its military [now]
My last word is this,
[Its no good saying sorry, when its gone,, no if;s or buts, action or words your choice]
Just my opinion mates, right or wrong.??
i think we can gift EEUU to the brits again, we prefer china...china its becoming in the new first potence from the world faster than the economist thought...more influence xD lets see how many time the brits can handle the new world...
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 020 Excellent post.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Which is why I conditioned my own response with “If true”.
Argentinians are natural liars, you cannot trust them, you cannot respect them and you certainly can't do deals with them.
Britain’s ability to defend the islands
Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With the UK’s diplomatic position increasingly isolated, and the entire Latin American region on the side of Argentina, attention has naturally turned to the UK’s physical ability to uphold British sovereignty and to defend the islands. Liam Fox was commendably blunt, stating: “Those in politics on the other side of the world can huff and puff but it will not change our resolve politically to retain the independence and the sovereignty of the Falkland Islands nor to come to their defence and to maintain deterrence as best we can.” “We have Typhoons already stationed there. We have a very clear message that we have both the naval power if necessary, and certainly any intent to ensure that the Falkland Islands are kept free and their people enjoy the liberation we fought so hard for 30 years ago.” xxvi
next, what the Americans thought in 2010
@24
Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There are some exceptions to the rule ... :-)
Others, however, have questioned the UK’s ability to defend the islands in the case of an attack, particularly after the cuts to defence capabilities contained in last year’s Strategic Defence and Security Review (SDSR). Admiral Sandy Woodward, who commanded the British task force in the Falklands War in 1982, argued that: “without American support, the Falklands, the reclaiming of which cost 253 brave British lives, are now perilously close to being indefensible.” He highlighted the combination of the weakened state of the Royal Navy and US support for the Argentine position. As a result, he argued: “The truth is we couldn’t defend anything further than the other side of the Channel.” Xxvii
Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AMERICANS
Some may argue that a repeat of 1982, an Argentine military invasion of the Falklands is unlikely.. However, cables from the US State Department to the US embassy in Argentina which were revealed by Wikileaks show that the US was concerned in 2009 and 2010 by the possibility of an Argentine attack. US officials wanted to know whether there was a possibility of unilateral military action by Argentina or of a joint offensive with the help of allies such as Venezuela and asked to be kept informed of any discussions on the topic inside the Argentine government and “among military officers”. The basis for this anxiety was the Argentine government’s shift towards more aggressive rhetoric, with Fernandez de Kirchner pledging an eternal fight, combined with the economic situation within Argentina. xxviii The US document also, however, included the assessment that the “budget-strapped Argentine military” was ill-prepared for a military offensive. This is the main reason why a military assault may remain unlikely. Despite the UK’s defence cuts,
An attack is very unlikely, but as the British get weaker, the pressure will mount.
All im saying is, we will if we can, but the government is preventing its own ability to act decisively without others,, just an opinion. Britain forever
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Sep 26th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are of course correct and I apologise.
@28
Sep 26th, 2011 - 03:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No apology needed ... let the chariot swing and what else?? lol!!
A lot of guaranteed votes for the Argentinean position in the UN
Sep 26th, 2011 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. Afghanistan
2. Algeria
3. Angola
4. Antigua and Barbuda
5. Argentina
6. Bahamas
7. Bahrain
8. Bangladesh
9. Barbados
10. Belize
11. Benin
12. Bhutan
13. Bolivia
14. Bosnia and Herzegovina
15. Botswana
16. Brazil
17. Brunei Darussalam Faso
18. Burundi
19. Cambodia
20. Cape Verde
21. Chile
22. China
23. Colombia
24. Comoros
25. Congo
26. Costa Rica
27. Côte d'Ivoire
28. Cuba
29. Democratic Republic of the Congo
30. Djibouti
31. Dominica
32. Dominican Republic
33. Ecuador
34. Egypt
35. El Salvador
36. Equatorial Guinea
37. Eritrea
38. Ethiopia
39. Fiji
40. Gabon
41. Gambia
42. Ghana
43. Grenada
44. Guatemala
45. Guinea
46. Guyana
47. Haiti
48. Honduras
49. India
50. Indonesia
51. Iran
52. Iraq
53. Jamaica
54. Jordan
55. Kenya
56. Kuwait
57. Lao People's Democratic Republic
58. Lebanon
59. Lesotho
60. Liberia
61. Libya
62. Madagascar
63. Malawi
64. Malaysia
65. Maldives
66. Mali
67. Marshall Islands
68. Mauritania
69. Mauritius
70. Micronesia (Federated States of)
71. Mongolia
72. Morocco
73. Mozambique
74. Myanmar
75. Namibia
76. Nauru
77. Nepal
78. Nicaragua
79. Niger
80. Nigeria
81. Oman
82. Pakistan
83. Palestine
84. Panama apua New Guinea
85. Paraguay
86. Peru
87. Philippines
88. Qatar
89. Rwanda
90. Saint Kitts and Nevis
91. Saint Lucia
92. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
93. Samoa ao Tome and Principe
94. Saudi Arabia
95. Senegal
96. Seychelles
97. Sierra Leone
98. Singapore
99. Solomon Islands
100. Somalia
101. South Africa
102. Sri Lanka
103. Sudan
104. Suriname
105. Swaziland
106. Syrian Arab Republic
107. Tajikistan
108. Thailand
109. Timor-Leste
110. Togo
111. Tonga
112. Trinidad and Tobago
113. Turkmenistan
114. Uganda
115. United Arab Emirates
116. United Republic of Tanzania
117. Uruguay
118. Vanuatu
119. Venezuela
120. Viet Nam
121. Yemen
122. Zambia
123. Zimbabwe
Guaranteed? I doubt that very much.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also doubt that many of them actually know what Argentina's real position is.
When you let them know that 'negotiations' means 'transfer of sovereignty' and they still support you I might be interested.
Still, you've got some real big hitters on your list.....USA, Germany, Japan.....oh, wait a minute, doh, Yemen and Zimbabwe.
You missed one out. Although it does include a number of the others.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0124. Pricks. Includes Argentina, Brazil, possibly Chile, Colombia, Venezuela.
why do we tolerate these ass-bandits. Twinky , of course, is ass-bandit No. 1. You need to analyse his comments. such as those involving “nails”. It, of course, is keen on “nailing” and of being “nailed”. Also keen on “dogging” and “deep-throating”. No restrictions. His political masters like to surprise him!
Have you met CFK and her strapon yet, Twinky? Don't forget. Thrust backwards. CFK loves it! Makes her think she's a male. And she knows you're a f***bucket!
the list ....No: 84 .. Panama apua New Guinea ..????
Sep 26th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i just heard a such country name !!
Panama ?? ... or/and ... Papua New Guinea ??
(31) Dearest Monty96
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just for your info......
In the UN General Assembly there are no “ Big Hitters”.....
One Country ....One Vote.....
Thats's the rule.
Regards
El Think
the list ... No : 17 .. Brunei Darussalam Faso ... ????
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i just heard a such country name !!
Brunei Darussalam ?? ... or/and ... Burkina Faso ??
Sorry, what were they voting on?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Have they voted yet, or are we playing 'Fantasy resolutions'?
your list, mearly presumes, but not proof,
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the following would be very doubtfull
10. Belize
39. Fiji
49. India
55. Kenya
56. Kuwait
61. Libya
77. Nepal
90. Saint Kitts and Nevis
94. Saudi Arabia
115. United Arab Emirates
so you can take them of your list.
and you forgot spain, they would vote for you,
Like the Uboat capt says,your name will also go on the list
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK 'to end direct aid to 16 countries'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12589626
LOSING DIRECT AID
Angola
Bosnia
Burundi
Cameroon
Cambodia
China
Gambia
Indonesia
Iraq
Kosovo
Lesotho
Moldova
Niger
Russia
Serbia
Vietnam
* 37 brit
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why is your 10 countries list is doubtful ??
The Department for International Development (DFID) is the part of the UK government that manages Britain's aid to poor countries and works to get rid of extreme poverty. As well as headquarters in London and East Kilbride, near Glasgow, DFID has offices in around 40 developing countries and provides aid to around 90 countries.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0worth repeating
provides aid to around 90 countries
http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Where-we-work/?tab=1
for the same reasons as think thinks
Sep 26th, 2011 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but in reverse
You can take Belize out Think,they have had trouble from a bully neighbour
Sep 26th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Throughout Belize's history, Guatemala has claimed ownership of all or part of the territory. This claim is occasionally reflected in maps showing Belize as Guatemala's twenty-third department. As of March 2007, the border dispute with Guatemala remains unresolved and quite contentious.[13][14] Guatemala's claim to Belizean territory rests, in part, on the terms Clause VII of the Anglo-Guatemalan Treaty of 1859 which (supposedly) obligated the British to build a road between Belize City and Guatemala. At various times the issue has required mediation by the United Kingdom, Caribbean Community heads of Government, the Organization of American States, Mexico, and the United States. Notably, both Guatemala and Belize are participating in confidence-building measures approved by the OAS, including the Guatemala-Belize Language Exchange Project.[15]
Since independence, a British garrison has been retained in Belize at the request of the Belizean government including, at times, Harrier jets.
Ghurkhas are from Nepal,
Sep 26th, 2011 - 07:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0British servicemen are in Libya and Kenya
Kuwait
We helped to defend, do I have to go on,
The list of think shrinks,
But then he likes to play games does he not .
* 38 + * 40 sticker ( stubborn)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you know the UK 's debts from Spain ??
i say ......... 429,972 millions US $ ( 34,185 public sector........
57,968 banks ..... 337,819 other sectors )/ March 2011 !!
The group 77 or G77
Sep 26th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I looked at their home page, and statements,
http://www.g77.org/
and found nothing on what merco press states ??
perhaps you can fine it, if interested .
.
Nope, I read a lot of very worthy stuff on climate change, disease, desertification. Nothing whatsoever about the Falkland Islands.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is this another example of Argentine diplomacy at work? (make something up and then thank everyone for agreeing to it even if they didn't).
If the 'text' exists then it's quite interesting. Will Argentina desist from making unilateral changes from the status quo? I doubt it.
98. Singapore ?
Sep 26th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Falkland oil explorer Rockhopper Exploration (LON:RKH) this afternoon told investors that the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation has increased its stake in the company.
This is a copy/paste from Buenos Aires Hearld dated Sept. 26th. 2011 and has a photo of ' A typical house in the Malvinas Islands' beside it. The house is NOT Typical...Ergo. The whole article is suspect.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a fairly typical house actually, especially in the Camp. Mine has a red roof though.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0G77 = Mostly despotic third world nations with China at the top, a one party state which has a huge prison population made up mostly of political and religious prisoners. China has nothing to offer the world where freedom and democracy is concerned. But it is clear that Argentina has placed itself firmly in the Chinese camp. The US will not be too pleased.
Sep 26th, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_77
“All of us (Foreign) (M)inisters insist on the need to . . . . . . “
Sep 26th, 2011 - 10:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the Argentine Foreign Ministry said, reporting on the proceedings of the United Nations G77 Governmental Meeting.
This is NOT the language of a UN Resolution
The Argentinean did not say this was a UN Resolution.
The Argentinean did not say this was a voted position of the 130-odd nations.
He simply made a personal point of the type ”Come on guys, lets stick together, “ and it was probably Minuted in this colloquial way.
We await the official record of the UN G77.
It may well say that ”We, the countries of the G77 insist that the UK and Argentina start talking about the future of tFI.”
But
They, of course, have not got the authority to insist,
but they do have the right, by a majority vote properly conducted, to suggest.
It would, of course, have no legal status
and could not be enforced.
Enforcement could only come about by the combined military pressure of a united UNASUR, and then only if the UK's defensive associations of nations (NATO, inc. the US, and the French-British Agreement) renaged on their agreements.
But a united UNASUR? . . . really.
[G77 - the developing countries of the world (which, by definition are not developed), includes China, India, Brasil and South Africa, but does not including Russia, which is neither G77 nor the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).
It would be wrong to assume that the OECD countries are themselves 'fully developed', they are a group co-operating in development.]
Acclamation is not a vote Think ... so don't count your chickens just yet :-)
Sep 26th, 2011 - 11:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Morning all - nothing new then :-)
I suspect the key phrase here is:
Sep 27th, 2011 - 05:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0““The British resistance margin to comply with the international community decisions is shrinking. We now have to ask, until when is Europe going to continue supporting the occupation of the Malvinas Islands only because the UK does not want to strip off the overseas territories conquered by force?” reaffirmed Ambassador Argüello.
This means that British influence within the global community is waning politcally, economically and particularly: militarily - as evidenced by the decision of the British government to fire the crew of HMS Cumberland now that she is no longer needed to attack Libya.
The British not only retire their warships they fire the crews too because they have no ships to send them to.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042238/Sailors-risked-lives-Libya-hundreds-Navy-personnel-sacked.html
tick tock tick tock....
Still living in a fantasy I see :-)
Sep 27th, 2011 - 05:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0“There can be no room for complacency in London as Kirchner seeks re-election in October. Britain should be prepared for a further escalation in tensions over the Islands if her nationalist and populist administration is returned to office in an emboldened position, and must take all necessary steps to reinforce the Falkland’s defences.”
”The United Kingdom has stated its position clearly. There will be no negotiation unless the islanders’ wish it. With Presidential elections due next month, this subject will gain more prominence and the British Government should remain resolute. Kirchner’s re-election is virtually assured and she will be confident of gaining ground.
She should be denied it!”
http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/27/argentine-belligerence/
you sound nervous redhoyt and so you should be as you stand alone on this issue.
Sep 27th, 2011 - 05:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who is going to support you? - The USA? ...not while it has a president who hates the British, is struggling for the Hispanic and Asian vote and is sitting on an economy that is sinking faster than the British built Titanic.
Perhaps that corrupt, power addicted pack of unelected retards in Brussels?
I doubt it. They are the lackeys of the corporate tyranny that is about to crush Europe and asset strip it.
You better think of something and fast cabballero as that clock is ticking even louder....
fantazum2011 That would be the clocks on our nuclear missiles you can hear ticking even louder....
Sep 27th, 2011 - 10:45 am - Link - Report abuse 055 Britain has stood alone before, it holds no particular concerns, providing the cause is right.
Sep 27th, 2011 - 01:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Self determination for the Falkland Islanders is a cause well worth fighting for.
Its a matter of principle.
To be honest it's not really that big of an issue. The presidency of the G77 is on an annual basis. Argentina's presidency ends in two months and three days.
Sep 27th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The next meeting is in about three months time.
What are the odds that this is never referred to again after the end of 2011?
# 55 fantazum2011
Sep 27th, 2011 - 06:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Titanis was built in Ireland, actually.
Be serious: why we need to believe about your “self determination”?
Sep 27th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why don´t say GODBYE to british NOW?
You want determination for what? If you decide today to say bye to british, maybe we can believe, but all the Malvinas history says you want to depend of UK.
You want to be british in a South American world.....????????
So...what do you want?
Put the “pantalones largos” and go to UN to claim same as ABBAS, not cryng under the skirt of Queen and the pockets of their citizens.
UK is use you for deploy power on South Atlantic, and we & latinamerican countryes NEVER agree about it.
B.R.
Self-determination is a false argument. If the Islanders want to become British citizens, go away to live in the UK. They are living in the Falklands product of an invasion and illegal occupation of territories. In addition, Argentina's Constitution says clearly that they will respect the lifestyle of the Kelpers. I repeat: if they want to be British citizens, that London house them. There is no sense in the XXI century the UK has territorys in South America. That is called colonialism.
Sep 28th, 2011 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0#61
Sep 28th, 2011 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self-determination for TFI is no more false than was the 'Argentinian' self-determination to become separate from Spain.
They determined it for themselves - that's what the word means.
Colonialism for TFI is so very different from colonialism for the Argentinians.
Both created colonies - that's what the word means -
- but TFI colonisers did not displace and replace an extant human civilisation (just a few pengins), whereas that is exactly what was done in the creation of the Argentinian colony.
Which colonialism was created with the least ethical dilemma?
#62
Sep 28th, 2011 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0In your view on self determination, tomorrow I can go live with a group of Argentines to a British island, and demand that the island should be considered argentinian, because we have the right to be self-determined.
It is illogical to try to compare an act of Independence with an act of submission. As I said above, if the kelpers want to be british citizens, they can go to London and live quietly.
“ ... ” ... The United Nations must renew its commitment to ensure that the world’s 16 remaining non-self-governing territories, home collectively to nearly two million people, are able to exercise their right to self-determination, Malawi said today....”
Sep 28th, 2011 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/united-nations-must-renew-its-committment-to-self-determination-malawi/
Isn't Malawi a member of the G77 ??
Note well - 16
not 15 :-)
You Argies keep kidding yourselves over the issue of self-determination. The truth is, that not only do the idlanders' have it, they've been exercising it since 1968 :-))
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/28/united-nations-must-renew-its-committment-to-self-determination-malawi/
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Sep 28th, 2011 - 07:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well if you don't believe in self determination all you've got left is what you tried in 1982.
Your options are :-
1) Build confidence with the Islanders so that at some stage in the future they might start to trust and respect Argentina. Extol the virtues of peaceful co-existence and who knows in about 200 years the Islanders might think differently.
2) War.
Don't give me a load of nonsense about geography, history and Papal w---. We are where we are.
Didn't understand relevance of your reference to British Rail and I think you'll find crying was a song by Roy Orbison not ABBA.
59 SamSalzman (#) Sep 27th, 2011 - 06:48 pm Report abuse
Sep 28th, 2011 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 55 fantazum2011
The Titanis was built in Ireland, actually.
You mean the TITANIC surely?
It was built in Belfast which at the time was and still is I believe part of yet another BRITISH COLONY - and according to REDHOYT absolutely BRITISH thus: The Titanic was British built.
Heavens to Murgatroyd - do we spics even have to correct you British on your own history? outrageous!
65 Be serious:
Sep 28th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Finally someone who thinks a little.
I'm tired of reading, not just insults, but a lot of historical nonsense impossible to discern.
I hope I can keep up the discussion, but his view is very interesting where we are.
So, tell me from which place Argentina talk to you, you are British citizens who chose to represent UK, so you have “removed yourself” from the discussion.
They manage their external affairs and defense. You got into this mess, and now asks me I will understand? ... Mmm ... no.
I recommend the same thing I said before: stop mourn beneath the skirt of the queen, put on your pants, ask a UN protectorate and discuss whit Argentina your self-determination, perhaps the world will listen.
This will give respect: in the meantime will be occupying a foreign land.
When we cut flights, it is to the British bureaucrat behind a desk that represents what you
If you are malvinense, wel...sorry!! .... ! was your chose? The bureaucrat does not care if you have to drink milk or eat whale stale bread, goat manure, because it does not suffer.
The war, sir, is not an option for Argentina, clearly say 2 things: our constitution (and you do not know) and our military power, which is not in any way ready for that kind of mission.
B.R. is best regards, and British Railways we have,a lot of them, and tehy works very well, ..... you even have a decent little train and want self determination..
B.R.
“I'm tired of reading, not just insults, but a lot of historical nonsense impossible to discern”.
Sep 28th, 2011 - 01:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Exactly right which is why we need to consider possession which is nine tenths of the law. The Falkland Islanders have it, so be nice to them and you might get what you want in a few hundred years. Continue the strong arm stuff, which is the way to full scale War and you will get sweet FA.
Whats your views on Brazil? Seem to be making a right mess of the World Cup preparations. Are they as useless and corrupt as many people believe or is it just a hiccup?
Mr. be Serious:
Sep 28th, 2011 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry, but I think Google translations are not very good.
I say:
1) WE CANNOT MAKE A WAR- because in our Constitution, we declare :
“La Nación Argentina ratifica su legítima e imprescriptible soberanía sobre las Islas Malvinas, Georgias del Sur y Sandwich del Sur y los espacios marítimos e insulares correspondientes, por ser parte integrante del territorio nacional.
La recuperación de dichos territorios y el ejercicio pleno de la soberanía, respetando el modo de vida de sus habitantes, y conforme a los principios del derecho internacional, constituyen un objetivo permanente e irrenunciable del pueblo argentino. ”
So is not possible ANY new war...OK?
2) Our military power: is IMPOSSIBLE to make a war against UK, not because you have more or less ships, etc....is because we cannot sostein whit our military instruments. Is simple: impossible.
and 3) poeple don´t want-need- any kind of war.
So, what´s the deal?
NO war-
We can talk? No, UK says you (islanders) don´t want to talk.
OK! why I will bring you benefits ? Even you dont want to talk whit me...so...I have no benefits...so cut them all-
I think you need to get a new space for talk whit us...or depend completely of UK, but try to understand, you are part of other big game, GEOPOLITICAL GAME, and in this game LATINAMERICA is the real player-
Islanders maybe can became “exchange money” if they want to talk never!!
What your problem whit Brasil? we play tomorrow whit them, we are happy and whit a powerfull relationship in all spects in Mercosur.
Corrupt? no more than the british my friend...british teach how to make bussines in LATAM for 200 years!!
B.R. ;)
Not likin or trusting RGs is not new:
Sep 28th, 2011 - 06:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Archbishop of Cashel, T.W. Croke, minced no words and left no one in any doubt about his feelings in an 1889 letter to Dublin’s The Freeman’s Journal : “Buenos Aires is a most cosmopolitan city into which the Revolution of ’48 has brought the scum of European scoundrelism. I most solemnly conjure my poorer countrymen, as they value their happiness hereafter, never to set foot on the Argentine Republic however tempted to do so they may be by offers of a passage or an assurance of comfortable homes”.
Constitutions and a country's policies can change in a instant.
Sep 28th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only constant is self determination, The UK will never forget that single guiding principle. A principle that has also served Argentina well in its own Country,
The Falklands have never been Argentine territory and if what you say is true will never be Argentine territory In the meantime don't be offended if we take out a few insurance policies with submarine, surface ship and aircraft patrols. Just to be sure.
I think you english still criying this:
Sep 28th, 2011 - 07:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VXbqA1YRqY
Sorry
Once a regional leader, Argentina now finds itself increasingly isolated in the Western Hemisphere. Its government lies about inflation data and depends on economic largesse from Venezuela's oil-fueled tyranny. Argentina is no longer the “jewel of South America.” Today, it is among the “sick men” of South America, both economically and politically. The country can still recover its lost influence, but only if it makes a decisive break with the past eight years of Kirchnerism.
Sep 28th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2011/04/21/argentinas_kirchner_channels_chavez_99486.html
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72 - no need to be sorry - read this and weep:
Sep 29th, 2011 - 01:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England v Argentina:
Football: England Won 6 Drew 6 Lost 2
Rugby : England Won 12 Drew 1 Lost 4
Rugby/football Success rate (from #74):
Sep 29th, 2011 - 05:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England 75% Argentina 25%
Still a long way to go, but probably getting better.
Shouldn't be too discouraged by being beaten yesterday by Brasil - when you play against the best in the world, shit happens.
74 -
Sep 29th, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Emtw0TH_9I
Still crying?
(75) GeoffWard
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0You are always telling us about your long British academic career….
Yet you can’t even calculate a simple percent….
No wonder you never got that knighthood…..
”England 66% Argentina 33%”
Don’t you think?
(77) “Think”
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 08:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0England success in 18 matches/Argentina success in 6 matches =
England success in 75% matches/Argentina success in 25% matches
Dont you ever think?
briton 73 you are such a liar.
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can´t use even the Venezuela fuel, because our electricity plant (made by british) can´t burn it, whitout producing acid rain-
You only write because mercopress give you an space, please try to read more and “be serious”.
Venezuela just help Argentina when we triyng to start in bonus market, and we fail. London says we are isolating because they can´t placing debts in your financial markets, so “no biggest commissions to win”.
Our commerce whit Venezuela are increasing every year, as a member associated of Mercosur, same as Chile and >Peru now. Even Colombia want to make bussiness whit us.
You don´t know nothing about us, try to read more.
We provide free healt for our people; free education (even universitary); we build nuclear plants (the highest safety protocol); we put satelites on space, we are building our own launcher.....how many countries you know they can do that?
Even Chile invest in Argentina....in a largest items.
Please maybe you can make wrong....try this:
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/10/01/uk-worst-place-to-live-in-europe-for-quality-of-life-says-uswitch.com
B.R.
11 J.A. Roberts (#)
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercopress. Cerro el link, link is my response to closed
Raul, who have not explained why repeat the lie that an “original” population was expelled and not allowed to return. Where did you get that? The events are completely different
Dear Roberts: According to records of Argentine and Latin American History, no lie, it is true, the facts for us is that population was expelled and not allowed to return. His problem is that it assumes that your “Registered facts” are true when for us are false. Just look at the documents in our national and Latin American universities and other sources in the Foreign Ministry to check. I recommend reading the following link
http://www.cuestionmalvinas.com.ar
They have the right to self-determination - which is clearly expressed in the UN Charter.
Not absolute, also respects the Argentine, to respect the territorial integrity principle is clearly expressed in the UN Charter. As is expressed in the resolution 2065 (XX), 1965.
UK and Argentina have been made by the UN to resolve their dispute over sovereignty, but this can not happen at the expense of the rights of the inhabitants of the Malvinas ”. Until Argentina accepts the Islanders have rights, there will be no progress. It is Argentina that is in violation of international law.
From my point of view must respect the rights of the islanders and the Argentine rights over the islands. To resolve the dispute over the sovereignty of the islands should not be at the expense of Argentine rights. The United Kingdom must accept the rights of Argentina for progress. The UK is in violation of international law by not accepting the resolution 2065 (XX), 1965 and ratified by subsequent resolutions 1973 (3160, XXVIII) 1976 (31/49), 1982 (37 / 9), 1983 (38 / 12 ), 1984 (39 / 6), 1985 (40/21), 1986 (41/40), 1987 (42/19) and 1988 (43/25) and sit down and negotiate.
What solution would you suggest to see both interest and respect the rights of both countries?
Thank you.
The Argentine government claim - brainwashed into it’s citizens - that the British expelled the civilian settlers from the British Falklands in 1833 is not true, and is the most important inaccuracy in the entire dispute.
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 26 man United Provinces military (who had landed illegally a few weeks before) was expelled, but the 33 Vernet civilian settlers had British permission and were encouraged to stay.
Captain Pinedo in Sarandi, returned to BA on 16 Jan 1833 and recorded in his ships log the 26 soldiers, plus 4 civilians who chose to leave (Joaquín Acuña and wife Juana, Mateo González and wife Marica)
In addition, 7 men of various nationalities took the opportunity to leave voluntarily in other ships:- José Viel, Juan Quedy, Francisco Ferreyra, Máximo Warnes, Charles Brasier, William Drake, and Henry Metcalf.
This left 22 civilians remaining in Port Louis: 12 Argentines (8 gauchos, 3 women, 1 child); 4 Charrúa Indians from Uruguay; 2 British, 2 Germans, 1 French and 1 Jamaican.
The number 22 was confirmed and recorded by Charles Darwin.
The UN and UK are aware that Argentina disputes British sovereignty and the Falkland Islanders’ fundamental UN right of self determination and that the issue needs to be resolved, but as stated above,until Argentina accepts the Islanders’ rights, there will be no progress.
The Argentine claim to “territorial integrity” is totally false and based on a repeated myth that argentine citizens were expelled from Argentine territory.
Where do we go from here?
Argentina tried to seduce the British Falkland Islanders before 1982 but failed, it then tried rape and forced marriage in 1982 but failed. It is now trying abuse, disruption and intimidation, but this will also fail.
It's time for Argentines to accept that their advances have been rejected and that they can only be friends and neighbours.
A mature relationship based on mutual respect and cooperation would be an achievement for all sides.
Behind the Falklands, the UK wants to keep Antarctic territories. In fact, they're claiming for it. That argument of self-determination is a clumsy pretext to continue with your colonization project. Argentina's constitution clearly states that we will respect the lifestyle of the islanders. Our discussion revolves around the territory, which is the legitimate sovereignty of South America and Argentina.
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“a Mature relationship based on mutual respect and cooperation”
Oct 03rd, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0??????
You don´t want to talk whit us.
You want to be british only-
You use our resources, because your are not convalid by any CONVEMAR, or any other paper, even any official/unnofficial paper from UN, as a coastal state.
You only are recognized by UK, because they use you for project their power on South Atlantic.
Please, leave UK protection, go to UN, talk whit us, and try to get your self determination by yourself....if the world want, i´m sure Argentina would understand that-
We have peacefull and mature relation whit all copuntries in the wolrd, except UK and YOU!...why is that?
B.R.
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Oct 04th, 2011 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0As explained, the Argentina “claim” over the British Falkland Islands is based on a false myth about 1833, perpetuated by the Argentine government and brainwashed into it’s people.
Argentina has no claim
The British Falkland Islands are a self governing overseas territory of the UK and EU - like French Guiana which is adjacent to Brazil.
Live with it.
Eddie, use your head. There's something called geography..
Oct 04th, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That the British remain in the islands, is just an excuse to plunder the natural resources surrounding the archipelago. As I said, they also want to expand their area of influence to the Antarctic. How is it called? colonialism or imperialism? the UK gave the green light to start oil exploration to british companies in disputed territories ... more than “self determination” of a thousand of islanders, the intentions are clear.. it's hard to belive a country that for centuries was dedicated only to violate human rights and “self determinations” ...
ernvera, forget your government propaganda and face facts..
Oct 04th, 2011 - 05:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Geography - The British Falklands are 300 miles from Argentina - French Guiana is 0 miles from Brazil - so what.
The British Falklands are a self governing overseas territory of the UK and EU for as long as they wish, and they have the UN “right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development“.
The British Falkland Islanders own their natural resources and will use and enjoy them as they see fit.
Argentine colonials have spent hundreds of years raping and murdering indigenous native Americans and stealing their land and resources...
Eddie,
Oct 04th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the problem for the UNC24 is that Argentina's colonists erradicated the VAST majority of the indigenous peoples of present-day Argentina.
Those that remain have largely been bred into the colonist populations. Only 3% of the present national population can now claim to be 'original population'.
There is virtually nobody to give Argentina back to.
Pretty much the same with the Falkland Islands,
except that the penguins do not understand that they have been displaced,
whereas the native 'Argentineans' certainly know what they have lost, and who took what from them. They do have a case.
GeoffWard2, tell me wich country in the new world can´t displace original populations. Tell me one.
Oct 05th, 2011 - 02:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0And then, if you have time, tell me how many cultures the british people you defend, move, displace, change bounds and borders, in America, Middle Orient, Asia, etc.
If you want to know more, NOW, the MAPUCHES claim argentine territory....and they are from Chile....and they have offices in LONDON !!!!
Can you see how british move their pieces?
We always claim Malvinas; Malvinas, I think, is the only “long term estate policy” I was remember.
B.R.
Geoff
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed - the Mapuche certainly have a strong claim over their native land stolen from them by the spanish/argentine colonists - and good luck to them.
Rossario,
Oct 05th, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0can't find reference to your claim of a London branch of the Mapuches.
There was a EU Parliament conference in March 2011 on the ill-treatment of them by Chile, and there is a Lecturer at Edinburgh/LSE that runs part of a lecture course using the Mapuche as a case study alongside his anthropological research on the LA indiginous condition. The mapuche issue seems more critical of Chile, who have invoked Terrorism legislation to control arson protests by the local mapuche.
All in all, I think you might be wrong.
But if you can bring me better information I will be pleased to hear it.
Geoff, sorry, I was wrong, branch offices are in:
Oct 05th, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 06 Lodge Street, Bristol lBS1, 5RL, England
Tel/fax +44-117-9279391
www.mapuche.nationorg
If you want to know more (in spanish) http://www.aviacionargentina.net/foros/discusiones-generales.14/6038-julio-argentino-roca-y-la-gran-mentira-mapuche.html
Chileans and argentines are worried because of that, but more chileans because mapuches declare their own territory...in Argentina only occupied “estancias”, even of english people.....
Mapuche means Man of Land, Natural from Arauco, and Arauco is Chile.
In Patagonia live, at the same time, TEHUELCHES.
Mapuches conquer Tehuelches (more peacefull people) at 1830 (we declare independence at 1816)
Why Mapuches move to Patagonia?...... jejejje...because english pay very good for “beef stock”...and they provide guns (they have the same at chileans and argentine armys) for get stolen caws.
Please read more before posting...now Foreign Office support this claim....what was that?
Please, your island are great for UK for deploy their power at south atlantic, and Latinamerica never support that...try to understand that...some guys posted “your southamerican dreams blablabla” but islanders are SOUTHAMERICAN too...that´s is your reality, go away from UK protection, go to UN and claim your self determination, and if you have reason the world support you, and if not, negociate whit Argentina to keep your identity, we are a very good country for share/living, we are not troglodites-
B.R. and If you want to write me for more info, no problem.
Thanks, BR (Rosario)
Oct 05th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0International Address:
Mapuche International Link
6 Lodge Street, Bristol BS1 5LR, England.
Tel/Fax: + 44-117-9279391. E-mail: mil@mapuche-nation.org
With contacts in Germany and France also.
This is, of course, somebody's home address, so please only contact for bona fide reasons.
”(UK) Foreign Office supports this claim” . . . not clear what you are talking about.
I am interested in the antiquity of occupation of the Americas and in the subsequent histories of the peoples. Whilst it is reasonably easy to research in detail the Maya, Aztec, etc, the post-Clovis tribes/settlements in eg Amazonia, left disappointingly few artifacts on which to piece-together regional anthropologies.
My guess is that, across the Southern Cone, archaelogical evidence is similarly sparse. Such a pity for their ancestors who are themselves disappearing as distinct peoples.
In just a few years, all that will remain will be the fractured remnants of indigenous language and language structures. This will be all that there is to show that once-great peoples ever existed.
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