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Argentine minister and UK generals exchange blows on Faklands defence

Wednesday, September 28th 2011 - 23:42 UTC
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“Force” and “defence budgets” are the only reason Great Britain can wield in support of the Malvinas Islands where “it holds 2.000 people hostage on Islands of Argentine sovereignty”, said Argentine Defence minister Arturo Puricelli. Read full article

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  • Troneas

    all this nonsense started not because of a political campaign which CFK would have won by a landslide regardless - but because the UK arrogantly began extracting limited resources from a contested territory.

    now their old fat generals are concerned.

    and how ignorant could these fucktards be? argentina's constitution prohibits retaking the islands by the use of force. the congress would have to approve a change in the constitution and then the use of force. so no, “intent” can't happen overnight.

    even if that weren't an impediment, argentina's defense budget up and until this year is still 1% of its GDP. Only next year will it increase to 1.5% and even then its not enough to go to war anywhere.

    so way to use argentina as an excuse to spend more on defense when unemployment in the UK is thriving and more and more people are getting poorer.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 1 scary, isn't it? you just crapped in your own pants hahaha coward, what did you expect? cristina the president, cristina the queen, cristina the goddess, cristina the lady of plastic. ustedes los kirchneristas son malos, a ver donde están esos montoneros, a ver??? :)

    “so way to use argentina as an excuse to spend more on defense when unemployment in the UK is thriving and more and more people are getting poorer” you care for the british and their economy, oh, that is so sweet of you troneas! tears tears, i'm getting emotional, i need a handkerchief, please :(

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 12:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Malvinense 1833

    The British military are crazy...

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 12:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Troneas

    @2 i dont understand your post.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 12:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Prolonged Argentinean pressure on the Brits is causing hallucinations and intense paranoia on them.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 03:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Arturo Puricelli - man in need of reality.

    I like him. He's funny :-))

    http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/arturo-puricelli-a-man-in-need-of-some-reality/

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fantazum2011

    May I extend the gratitude of the Argentine people to David Cameron for returning the Malvinas to us.
    Gracias...muchas Gracias.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    You could say thank you for the return, by Britain, of democracy to Argentina!

    You could say thank you for our vote at the World Bank, despite the USA wishing that we'd join them.

    You could thank us for our contribution to the EU funding that helps support your economy.

    But saying thank you for something that's never likely to happen is a bit wierd.

    As wierd as your politicians perhaps! One of who thinks that the civilian population on the Islands is under armed guard, and the other, who thinks that you are missing a bit.

    http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/09/29/argentina-is-not-a-complete-nation-says-timerman/

    To be fair, you are missing something - marbles !

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 04:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    UK has ~ 10 % GDP budget deficit ...... !!

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    The Argentine government would never let the truth get in the way of an outrageous lie. Fortunately, the world knows when an Argentine Minister is lying; their mouth is moving.

    This is a nothing story. Argentine government lies - no one cares - TFI remains self-governing and British for as long as it wishes.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 10:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    In 1982 Argentina thought (?) that Britain wouldn't or couldn't come to the defence of the Falkland Islands. It cost them 649 killed, 1,068 wounded, 11,313 taken prisoner, 1 cruiser, 1 submarine, 4 cargo vessels, 2 patrol boats, 1 spy trawler, 25 helicopters, 35 fighters, 2 bombers, 4 transports, 25 counter-insurgency aircraft and 9 armed training aircraft. Despite the loss of 2 destroyers and 2 frigates, Britain's losses were less than half that overall.

    It's “nice” to see that Argentina's constitution prohibits the taking of the Falkland Islands by force. You can't “retake” something that has never been yours.

    Argentina should remember that, in 1939, Nazi Germany started the war with a major superiority by land and in the air and in terms of technology. They had also enjoyed an unbroken string of successes. The only real difference it made was in terms of time. By 1941, before the United States joined the war, the tide had turned. Notably in North Africa, where the Italians had been roundly defeated. Eighteen months later, even Rommel had been defeated.

    Britain, of course, has an inherent inability to accept defeat. Especially when faced by a country like Argentina. Quality will always tell. And Britain's capabilities are still the stuff of dreams for Argentina. With a major programme of defence spending and training, Argentina might pose a credible threat in around 10 years. Except by that time Britain will have moved on.

    And so Argentina is reduced to the level of a niggling nuisance with no legitimate claim to the Falkland Islands. If they had a legitimate claim before 1982, their defeat in the Falklands war ended it by reason of “uti possidetis”.

    And so Argentina is reduced to hot air and illegal economic warfare. Why is it illegal? Because Argentina no longer has a legal or legitimate claim. Witness its unwillingness to go to the ICJ. Because it breaches the UN Charter. Etcetera, etcetera.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • M_of_FI

    In the article and in its comments section, I have witnessed two of the largest Argentine “misconceptions” ( I will say misconceptions, but we all know that they are just Argentine lies) regarding the Falklands.

    1. The people of the Falkland Islands are not being held hostage. I am one of those islanders, and I can easily prove this, and I find it laughable that Argentine politicians keep claiming that we are held hostage. It can easily be proved wrong, so it is clearly for Argentine consumption, e.g. win polticial favour.

    2. Britain is not exploiting natural resources from the Falkland Islands. Firstly, all fishing revenue goes to the Falkland Islands Government (FIG) which is administered in the Falklands, with very little outside intereference. We have our own democracy that is voted for by Falkland Islanders. Secondly, how can Britain exploit any oil resources, when it is in the exploration stage in the Falklands? And thirdly and most importantly, all current and future hydrocarbons revenues will be received by FIG. Britain will not benefit directly. Indirectly, FIG may pay for its military defence.

    These are facts. What you see Argentine politicians is spouting conveinant lies to drum up support in their own country. If you wish to believe them, then you are bending over to their propaganda.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • fantazum2011

    At present Britain has just four aircraft and about 1,000 troops in the Falklands. If they were again attacked by Argentina, it is hard to see how they could be reinforced. Its only friend in the area would be Chile.

    The last time Argentina attacked the Falklands, Britain had strong U.S. support. It also had a powerful Navy and the Falklands task force included two aircraft carriers. It had Vulcan bombers which could reach the Falklands and crater the Argentine-held runways. The U.S. and Britain also had Reagan and Thatcher as leaders, and Brazil was a fairly friendly neutral. This time, Obama's behavior might be taken in Argentina as a go-ahead signal. Argentina does not have particularly good armed forces, but they are there, and in any renewed fighting would have huge advantages in numbers. Britain has no carriers and no Vulcans. How long can four aircraft, that is assuming that they are all air-worthy, put up an air-defense? The British press, which has a habit of dwelling masochistically on Britain's alleged “shame” and “humiliation” when defeated at football and the like, might get a chance to find out what those words really mean.
    http://spectator.org/archives/2011/01/18/cruising-for-trouble

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 11:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    You've forgotten the missiles and the subs Fantasy - your ships wouldn't get close if you tried it again :-)

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 12:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Good Morning you all !!

    Question of the day : what is the reason as to why the actual Government is insisting on this issue?

    a. Smoke screen?
    b. Divert public opinion
    c. Get consensus from other Nations to help on this cause? Everybody talks the talk but who walks the walk?
    d. If Cris is going to win in October (no doubt) is it better to talk about Malvinas rather than talking about inflation, increase in poverty, lack of security, go after the media, Shoclender, Trials to the Military , bla bla bla

    I would like an answer please.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @15 All of the above?

    The truth is that the Argentine government is running out of other people's money to spend and likely to lose outside funding because they refuse to honour their financial obligations to repay debts. CFK sees TFI resources as something to appropriate in the future and to secure funding.

    Argentina has all the potential to be a wealthy and successful country but is run by crooks. I doubt the Ministers in CFK's government could collectively muster an IQ running into double figures. But they are not chosen for their intelligence, just slavish devotion to the party line.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 01:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    #15. (d.) and all of the above.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Why is it that the main Capital doesn't think like the rest of the country?

    1. Education?
    2. Higher social class?
    3. they don't buy the bull that CFK is selling?

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 02:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    10
    September 29/2011
    Fortunately, the world knows when a British is lying.
    “Tony Blair's future as Middle East peace envoy was in jeopardy after the Palestinian Authority said it was set to sever all contact with him because of his ”bias“ towards Israel”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/8795251/Tony-Blairs-job-in-jeopardy-as-Palestinians-accuse-him-of-bias.html

    Save your pontifications for the loved ones of the circa one million dead people in Iraq who died because this piece of filth British BLiar supported and thus enabled Tejano Bush's illegal war.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “At present Britain has just four aircraft and about 1,000 troops in the Falklands. If they were again attacked by Argentina, it is hard to see how they could be reinforced. Its only friend in the area would be Chile.”

    Because no Argentine army could possibly get to the islands with four typhoons shooting anti ship missiles at your ships. And because if they did land it would be a complete impossibility to take the islands in under 48 hours. After 48 hours troops would be landing by plane as reinforcements.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • LegionNi

    13 fantazum201

    Think you over estimate Argentine chances of launching a successful invasion.

    In order to successfully take the Falkland, Argntina would have to land enough troops to quickly take the airbase before Britain could fly in reinforcements both in terms of additional fighter cover and ground forces.

    Given that any naval force Argentina could currently put together would be completely out-matched by the Royal Navies submarine patrol in the area, an in intial invasion by sea would be costly, if not suicidal.

    Landing troops by air to quickly take the airbase would seem the option but given the bases air defence capabilities the 1000 troops on the ground and the fact that you would have to risk intercpetion from the fighter patrols, again would be extremely risky.

    So you are left with incredibly risky invasion by air or sea, or by air backed up by sea, but you would still need to gain air superiority and quickly take the airfield to prevent resupply of the British forces, so it would have to be an incredibly well planned and well executed assualt.

    No if you can do that. If you could successfully take the airbase and hold it against any counter assualt while you reinforced your position, then yes, Britain would struggle to retake the islands as we no longer have active aircraft carriers.

    Then again we will soon have two massive new carriers...

    Can't say I like your chances to be fair.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    ”It's so obvious that the (UK) can only think of a strong budget support for strong, have no reason for such a display of force, but to hold hostage the 2000 people confined to South Atlantic Islands are Argentina's sovereignty ”

    From another point of view of the Falklands conflict, Puricelli is quite right.
    Assuming hypothetical case in which the islanders want to live with sovereignty English Argentina, would be the true face of the United Kingdom and the Islanders would deny that desire and manifest their true colonialist and imperialist exploitation of natural resources and would fall his classic double discourse of self-determination for the islanders denying it to the islanders.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Conqueror

    @22 Don't suppose there's any chance you could make that intelligible, is there?

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SamSalzman

    Hostage? What planet does this fool live on? A hostage is held there against their will. They call the RAF Typhoons going overhead “The Sound of Freedom”. If it wasn't for Argentina's aggression, the military wouldn't be there.
    If the Falklanders are confined to the islands, then how come they are free to leave and arrive at will, although Argentina's propsed blockade will no doubt attempt to change that. And indeed, even if they did become Argentine, would Argentina change the isolation of the islands, by perhaps, building a bridge with their $500m GDP? Or maybe Argentines think they can walk on water; if that is the case, I hope they will try to do so.

    Ultimately it's not our fault if Argentina as weak and we are strong. Maybe if Argentina stopped whining about the Falkland Islands and tried to bring itself out of the third world, it might actually be able to pay for decent armed forces.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    Conquistador 23 and 24 SamSalzman

    With respect, in a hypothetical case: Purucelli Forget What if the islanders want to live under the sovereignty current Argentina? Does the United Kingdom would accept?
    S i are so kind to answer this question please.
    Thank you very much

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Benito

    24 SamSalzman

    Our Argentine military is good only for killing their own people. While our government is a bunch of crackers Peronist fascists. The majority of young people no longer consider them to be legitimate or relevant!

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    25 Raul ,,a manwho askes, but never replies, is a man who does not listen,
    if like your fellow bloggers, and none of you listen or are interested in the real truth, then why we ever listed to such rubish, is beyong me,
    but again to your hypothetical case
    1, What if the islanders want to live under the sovereignty current Argentina
    the answer is simple, if any falklander wishes to live under argentine rule, then that would be their choice, and if you found any, we will give you a bag of sweets,
    2, hypothetical case///What if the argentines,want to live under
    british rule,///
    i bet more argentine would live under british rule, than islanders would live under argentine rule,
    [would] you like to put it to the test .

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “With respect, in a hypothetical case: Purucelli Forget What if the islanders want to live under the sovereignty current Argentina? Does the United Kingdom would accept?”

    Yes.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 08:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    26 Benito

    What kind of Argentine are you? Our military are led by the strongest patriots, who put their lives on the line to kill people like you!

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Rhaurie-Craughwell

    13 fantazia2011

    Remind us again what the expeditionary capability of the Argentines armed forces are? 1 landing platform for about 200 men and 10 Hercules c-130 (of which only 5 are operational)

    The idea that Argentina could mount a successful invasion in the next 15 years is laughable, the only thing more laughable are hysterical rantings of ex-British top brass (obviously niffed that they fought the Falklands war beyond a desk and maps whilst everyone else saw proper action) claiming that Argentina is capable of mounting a successful invasion.....

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    it seems my friends this is ANOTHER con by merco press,
    the story from the [UKNDA] was a follow on from a news paper the dail mail, see link
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2042770/Defence-cuts-mean-Britain-lose-Falkland-Islands-warns-thinktank.html#ixzz1ZF6mplXN
    no mention of arguments with argie generals or nothing,
    perhaps we are all being led,

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Islander1

    Fantasum and well your twit Minister is another Fantasum! There is a minimum credicble British Defence here - to show you guys the Islands are NOT yours ansd i082 no longer exists - today Uk has Intelligence monitoring Arg Military Forces and their movements and long range surveillance. You start getting ready to be silly - and long before you try to do silly things, there would be several thousand well armed troops here and a lot more aircraft - its called “reinforcement” - its an exercise that is routinely and openly practised for obvious reasons.
    But please do simething usefull and constructive - educate your arse of a Minister in some facts!
    And if Arg was silly enough to try anything stupid - any support from the nations you mention would melt away - you would be the agressor again - ask yourselves - why did USSR (which hated Mrs Thatcher) - not back you in 1982? Answer because you were in the WRONG Internationallythen - and would be yet again if Arg ever acted stupidly.

    Sep 29th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    Any argument between Argentine and British Generals on issue of las malvinas would be won by Argentina, our Generals are the loudest and would drown out all British Generals Argentine mantra of illegal hostage taking of illegal pirate population on Argentine territory!

    We care for the islands pirate population, held hostage by British garrison against their will. We will liberate them and then rename their islands, their towns, city, settlements, ports, hills, coastline, we will prevent the people from speaking out, we will lock away or make disappear all dissidents, all cars will travel on right side of road, everyone will speak spanish, farms will be handed over to Argentine war vets, currency will be Argentine, Argentine governor will be installed, ANYONE WHO DOES NOT LIKE THIS WILL BE DISPATCHED.

    We are tolerant people but only towards those who agree with us.

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ed

    (#) 32
    in Stanley city ,there is a two-storey light green coloured building,
    it is used what for ?

    (#) 33
    don't forget the metric system.

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Viscount Falkland

    #33.....Come on Flip-flop, back to the asylum,you was only out on day release !

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    the only argument, was in their heads,
    so i supose if you are looking in a morror and screaming at yourself, then yes you would be the loudest, you would look silly stupid deluded , and indocrinated, but you would be the loudest,
    now back to the alylum before mummy gets you,.

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 12:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    British 27: Sorry for the delay, the answer came out with time.

    I appreciate your attention to answer. Step to answer.

    I have the habit of dialogue than me, is comfortable and pleasant, with a cup of coffee in between. It is not a competition, not to test, but to share things that you can agree and others do not, freely, without offending anyone, not about gambling.

    1, What happens if the islanders want to live under the sovereignty of Argentina's current
    The answer is simple, if you want to live under the falkland Argentine government after that would be his choice, and if found, will give you a bag of candy,

    I appreciate your attention to answer, but sure that Britain will allow islanders to live under the government of Argentina?

    2, hypothetical / / / What if the Argentines want to live in
    the British government, / / ​​/
    I bet most Argentines living under British rule, that the islanders living under the Argentine government
    [That] likes to test him.
    Responding to your question, there would be problems in living in the British government. But my foundation would not be in self-determination. Before I would make sure me and ask if anyone lived there before, where my shoes floor, and if someone was sent to live where I intend to live, in my determination. It is a principle colonialism and imperialism. You live part of the century 19 and 20 dominated economically by the United Kingdom (the Roca-Runciman) and never had so much inequality and poverty in Argentina.
    With all due respect, thank you very much.

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 02:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Raul,

    Open your mind.

    Since the 1960s the policy of the British Government has been to devolve government onto all of its overseas territories, encourage the maximum amount of self-government possible and to grant independence on request.

    The British Empire disappeared through granting independence, with local insitutions of democracy and self-government established, countries of the former British Empire are among the most stable of former European Empires simply for the fact there was no costly wars of independence. Most former colonies retain a relationship with the UK through the British Commonwealth. And before someone mentions basket cases like Zimbabwe, thats the exception that proves the rule.

    On the other hand former Spanish colonies, who fought for independence in the 19th Century still lack mature democratic institutions and still riven by irredentists border disputes dating from over 200 years ago.

    So the simple answer to your loaded hypothetical question, would the British accept the Falklanders request to pass under Argentina sovereignty, then the answer is an unqualified yes, yes they would.

    And in the 19th and 20th Century there was an equally stark poverty gap in Europe. IT had nothing to do with the British, it was the way of the world of the time.

    If you're going to view a people through a lens of what is essentially prejudice, then that is merely a thin veneer for complete ignorance.

    Interestingly enough, I once had a conversation with an Argentine who said to me it would have been better for Argentina if the invasions of 1806 and 1807 had succeeded. For now Argentina would be independent, democratic and largely free of corruption.

    Anyway Britain wouldn't choose to take on sovereignty of Argentina, we've enough basket case economies in Europe.

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    @38

    “would have been better for Argentina if the invasions of 1806 and 1807 had succeeded....” not only that, I would not have an accent when I speak English :-)

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • SamSalzman

    #25 Raul
    The Official Britiosh Government Position is that the Islanders' wishes are paramount, and that they will remain British if and until such time as they should wish to become Argentine. We are not concerned with posesssion of the Islands, only with the wellbeing and freedom of our citizens there.

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    you mean you may have been british,
    what a golden oppertunity that was missed ?

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Filippo

    38 JustinKuntz

    BUT THE BRITISH WOULD NEVER ALLOW LAS MALVINAS TO BECOME PART OF BRITAIN BUT WE IN ARGENTINA BELIEVE THEY ARE ALREADY PART OF ARGENTINA. ONLY PROBLEM IS BRITISH PIRATES ON OUR ISLANDS.

    LEAVE NOW!

    OUR WAR VETRANS ARE LIKE THOSE OF ZIMBABWE, THEY FOUGHT FOR OUR LAND NOW WE WANT YOU OFF OUR FARMS!!!

    Sep 30th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 38 a masterclass, clap clap clap :)

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 01:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Redhoyt

    Art - there's always hope :-)

    Maybe we should try it again :-))

    But then, apparently, we have no bullets left either !

    http://lordton1955.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/fortress-falklands-is-argentina-up-for-it/

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    just a technical/historical remind :
    ----------------------------------
    1776 ... British expelled from region

    1806 ... British attack on to invade La Plata

    1807 ... British are expelled from this region again

    1816 ... Argentina independence declaration

    1831 ... British use the USA warships to destroy the islands

    1833 ... British invade the islands as the revenge of 1806/07.
    ---------------------------------------

    the comments are yours .............................................!!!!!!

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Raul

    38 JustinKuntz

    Dear JustinKuntz

    The British Empire disappeared for the independence of the grant, with local institutions of democracy and self-government established.

    Please, from my point of view its colonialism and imperialism continues to this day, stand next to U.S. and try to disguise the democratic garb and continue with its exploitation of natural resources, enough to see today in Iraq, Libya, their humanitarian bombing civilians, Afghanistan, etc..
    In 500 years of history, never apologized for the massacres in India, Pakistan and Africa for the slave trade to name a few.
    The British Commonwealth is a disguised form of maintaining colonialism.

    So the simple answer to your question hypothetical load, which the British accept any request for Islanders to pass under the sovereignty of Argentina, then the answer is a resounding yes, yes they would.

    I appreciate your sincerity, but I think at the time their request is for a big surprise. The UK is the refuse and see the true face of colonialism. Never give freedom to that.

    On the other hand ... the former Spanish colonies.
    True, we do not have an established democratic tradition. But that is due in large part to the intervention that the United Kingdom with the United States, promoting the doctrine of national security, terrorism and state support as coups in Latin America.
    Remember Teacher support Galtieri Margaret before 1982 in its policy of terror and disappearances. Just look at the reports of Amnesty International to understand.

    Interestingly, I once had a conversation with an Argentine who told me that would have been better for Argentina if the invasions of 1806 and 1807 were successful

    It is very difficult to believe, I recommend you read two books, “British Policy in the Rio de la Plata” Chávez Fermin and “The Open Veins of Latin America” ​​and see the atrocities committed by the United Kingdom.
    Thank you very much.

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 46 what is hard to believe is that you are capable of typing.
    I can't believe that you recommend people to read “the open veins of latin amaerica” and “british policy in the río de la plata”. if someone reads those books be ready to learn about self pity. Latin America the eternal victim of the British Empire.

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JustinKuntz

    Raul,

    I refer you to my previous comment, if you view things through a layer of prejudice, that is merely a thin veneer of ignorance.

    And before you lecture on the “slave trade”, look at the history of that trade and the role of the Spanish and Portuguese - they transported more slaves. And look who abolished it before both. Ciao.

    Also check your history books, Thatcher's Government did not support Galtieri's.

    And whether you believe or disbelieve I do not care. Whats clear from your posts here, is you have a closed mind.

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    A closed mind [JustinKuntz]]
    You are to kind,
    He has no mind at all,
    He blames Britain, of everything that has gone wrong in Argentina,
    According to him its all our fault, Argentina, is in this state, we still have the biggest empire in the world,
    Our troops are killing everyone, our mighty navy is harassing Argentina, and the RAF , fly over day and night causing a nuisance with the noise, we are kidnapping slaves and putting them ashore in Argentina,

    If the UK or any western country, started to teach their children this utter corrupt nonsense, they would be condemned wholesale, how they get away with it is, is an oddity,
    Perhaps some men in power, likes the smell of plastic ???

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    **46 Raul

    for all i understand that your post 's 6th paragraph says that
    70 th years terror/monteneros/disappearence process supported
    by UK..maybe they are triggered by logistic in actually!!...possible !!

    Argentina must reveal the jailed /related military personals' and
    civilians' confessions & documents ...!!

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo2

    should i say this question to which ones jailed generals /civilians
    or present admin ...!!??

    just simple question that ;

    the Islands invasion attempt made in 1982 !!
    BUT
    why didn't made in 1979 ??

    Oct 01st, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    or made in 1914-18
    or
    1939-45 or 1956 , ??????????

    Oct 02nd, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dave204

    ”....to hold as hostages the 2000 people confined in South Atlantic islands that are Argentine sovereignty”.

    You have got to be kidding, hostages? Do Argentinians actually believe this? You have no idea how stupid this kind of thing looks to outsiders who have nothing to do with the Falklands situation. This is your defense minister for Christ's sake, spouting the kind of crap you'd expect to hear from Chavez or North Korea.

    Oct 04th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Help, help. l am a hostage. Will some Argentine hero save me from these handsome, manly British soldiers(only joking, l like the handsome, manly British soldiers!).

    Oct 05th, 2011 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Dr Carrizal

    If any Argentines think they need more moral support, they should then go and link arms with the Japanese whaling fleet who are about to resume their pointless - or should that be 'pointed' - activities in the Southern oceans...

    Oct 05th, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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