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Argentine proposal to issue coins commemorative of the Fakland/Malvinas War 30 anniversary
The Argentine Congress Foreign Affairs Commission supported a motion from a Tierra del Fuego Deputy for a special coins issue commemorative of the thirtieth anniversary of the (1982) Argentine Islas Malvinas epic geste. Read full article
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Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0If they really thought the Falklands were argentinian wouldn't it have been 'domestic' or 'internal' affairs......?
With the face of Galtieri on one side and Astiz on the other, perhaps?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hilarious!!! Who other than a nation of fantasy nutter idiots mints a coin to celebrate war when they got totally smashed into a humiliating defeat!!!
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for celebration Brazil,s “support” - usual fanstasy - nothing new here at all - they seize on a verbal headline - and carefully avoid the smallprint where the Brazil Govt clarfies its statements with wording that actually means Brazil will only act withing the norms of Int Law - which means it would actually not refuse port entry etc to a merchant vessels of any flag unless it had reason to suspect int criminal activities etc.
This happens time and time again in their fantasy dreams of all this “solid L American support” - what a laugh!
This is about as divorced from reality as you can get.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0They may just as well be celebrating military dictatorships and ethnic cleansing of political dissidents, as celebrating an illegal war the entire world and the UN condemned, which they lost.
It's hard to find any country on Earth that celebrates a lost war.
Then you have to consider the way they treated their veterans, with hatred and disdain, wheeled out for the odd ceremony to keep the dream of occupying another country and suppressing a population alive.
Argentina is suffering a collective psychosis brought on by successive leaders all drinking from the same cup, called peronism, corporatism or as most of us would say fascism.
Eventually they will go down the road most traveled again and it will be the international community picking up the pieces of another South American basket case!
Do the Argentines have a success they could commemorate on a coin? Something more positive?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It's hard to find any country on Earth that celebrates a lost war.”
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not many wars they can celebrate winning, is there?
Aluminium, or just more plain old tin?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Go ahead, Argentina. Shows the world what you expect from “negotiations” IF they ever took place. A foregone conclusion from your point of view.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0What we must ask ourselves is.....Can they afford the metal to make these coins! har har har!
TWIMC
Oct 08th, 2011 - 11:27 am - Link - Report abuse 01) Oooold “news”
“ Junio 2, 2011 Se acuñarán monedas por gesta de Malvinas. ”
http://www.noticiacero.com/web/regionales/se-acunaran-monedas-por-gesta-de-malvinas
2) Very Ooooold “news”……
Year 2007
http://www.noticiacero.com/web/regionales/se-acunaran-monedas-por-gesta-de-malvinas
Maybe they will be chocolate coins.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Silly bitch!
Oct 08th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0interessting... what about Merkel suggesting a commemorative coin of Germany's invasion of Poland... they should ask the poles if they'd like it!
Oct 08th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or Japan with the invasion China...
Same old asinine Argentine irredentism! Just as asinine as Germany issuing coins commemorating the 1940 invasion of France to rekindle irredentist claims on the lost provinces of “Elsass-Lothringen!”
Oct 08th, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will these coins enable Argentines to use public toilets instead of people's homes?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 01:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(12) ManRod
Oct 08th, 2011 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
“……what about Merkel suggesting a commemorative coin of Germany's invasion of Poland... they should ask the poles if they'd like it! ”
I say:
Sorry my dear Chilean brother…………….. but……. …
You are trying to compare apples with pears….
A much better consideration would be to ask yourself…………
Did we ask the British if they like this?:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorio_Chileno_Ant%C3%A1rtico
“It's hard to find any country on Earth that celebrates a lost war.” (Zethee #6)
Oct 08th, 2011 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Americans in Vietnam, the Spartans, Spartacus . . . . many a nation soured by war has found itself in defeat - at least in its folk memory and in the histories made by Hollywood.
John Wayne was always used to good effect, and more people remember Rambo than remember My Lai and William Calley.
Perhaps CFK should use the action-movies to re-write her histories the way she wants it.
I hope they do the same with their official currency coins and notes. It would only help to devalue their currency and bring about the end of argentina as we currently know it. As i doubt any of the worlds finanical traders will wish to deal in a currency that has such misleadng statements of sovereingty claims when the territory they are claiming is british the largest finanical centre in the world - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_centre.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps they should write “we are winning” on the back. Chuckle chuckle.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did they care to comment that Brazil is the site of a major squid processing plant that is for Korean vessels operating in FI waters? Or was there unanimous support for Brazilian port facilities being used to support the drilling?
Actions speak louder than words! He he!!!
Will the coin have 'LOSER' written on both sides ?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 02:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can see the back of the coin now “ Falklands War 1982 Runner up”
Oct 08th, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I often commemorate when I got my ass beat in first grade by a bully. It's normal to commemorate an ass-beating right?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 04:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 04 Anti-Fascist“” It's hard to find any country on Earth that celebrates a lost war“
Oct 08th, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BBC
”Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina“
” Did I hear that right? Apparently we are now marking the bicentennial of the Reconquest of Buenos Aires by Argentine forces from the British in 1806 and the Argentine ambassador to Britain Federico Mirre is hosting a memorial”
Nice comments on that article
Interesting read about our history with Argentina - I do believe though we should be handing the rights back of the Falkland Islands to Argentina. What right do we have a on these islands that our over 6000 miles from us.
Paul Taylor, Maidstone
A very onesided view of history, no mention of deporting the entire population of the Islands to the Argentine mainland! Is it right that the British Government continue to pay (mostly English) British farmers to work on the lands on the Islands in order to uphold the idea that the Democratic wish of these people is to remain British? they are hardly likely to want to anything else!
Pat Lee, Belfast
They will probably have a smiling Galtieri on one side and on the other a few sentences saying that they won. Muppet's
Oct 08th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22 ”Britain's 'forgotten' invasion of Argentina“
Oct 08th, 2011 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/4779479.stm
i guess that Argentina wants to distribute these commemorative coins
Oct 08th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in the Falkland Islands...........!!
I heard they will distribute these coins amongst the slum dwellers of BA to let them know that their government spends more time, energy and money on getting meaningless verbal support on the FI rather than investing in healthcare and sanitation.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CFK makes David Cameron look like a Marxist. Chuckle chuckle!
Come on Argies, that chip on your shoulder is weighing you down!
President Roussef said Brazil would adopt all necessary measures “to impede the access to Brazilian ports of vessels flying the ‘illegal flag of the Malvinas Islands’”.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Illegal? According to who?
I supose the british could mint a coin, that on one side says [winner] with a small union jack, and on the reverse, say [loser] with a small argentina flag,, no more would the world toss a coin and say,[heads/tails] it would be [winner or loser] tossed at every footaball match, everywhere everyone would see the winner and loser coin,
Oct 08th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but we brits would not do that to poor argentina, [would we]
after all it might get into the hands of children ??
i guess the Falkland Islands name will be changed..
Oct 08th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BECOUSE
this article title not say Falkland/Malvinas..says Fakland/Malvinas.
i don't know the islands named Fakland...!!
ALSO
i can't see the name of Falkland at this article ...!!
TWIMC
Oct 08th, 2011 - 07:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I can't see any oddity in the title of this article.................... Can you?
“Argentine proposal to issue coins commemorative of the Fakland/Malvinas War 30 anniversary”
Malvinas is properly spelled........ :-)
Here are 1,000 coins the british empire issued to celebrate it's many conquests of native people and their countries.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.coins-auctioned.com/auctions/coins/british-empire/
LOL
The end of the military dictatorship and the return of democracy might be a good thing to celebrate but really a coin to celebrate the stupid invasion launched a by a military dictatorship using the Malvinas issue to distract from problems at home.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ah...Lightbulb same thing again.
Got to laugh at these plonkers who else in the world would mint coins to commemorate losing a conflict or a war. Ladies and Gentlemen of the World place your hands together for the wonderful clowns from Argentina who are minting coins to commemorate the arse kicking of their poor conscripts who after shitting in people houses on the Islands of the Falklands cried for the mamas when they saw real soldiers. I have not laughed so much since 82.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 09:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are they going to mint the coins from their abandoned land mines? I know a little island east on the Falklands that has plenty of scrap metal available.
Oct 08th, 2011 - 09:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 034 Beef “plenty of scrap metal available”
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Those are broken drill bits Beef.
Urinehopper 181.50 -3.00 (-1.63%)
The drill bit keeps turning Beef!!
Marcos - realize you only have a tiny little brain that only semifunctions at best, but does it ever occur to you that stocks and shares in most of the world have been tumbling for weeks now - its called “the world” - and has bugger all to do with falklands Oil prospects!
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not surprising UK papers dont get the correct facts printed about 1806-07 -= ie that it was Spanish Territory that was attacked - the fact thet it was called Argentina was totallly irrelevant at the time - an event called the Napoleonic Wars actually.
And, so amongst 60 million in UK there are a handfulll who do not look at history - and one from N Ireland who has a totally outdated knowledeg of the Islands - he forgets they have changed in the 40 plus years since he left!! There are after all even some Argentines in Argentina who TOTALLY support our right to selfdetermination and feel the claim is stupid.
Do we harp on about their attitude? No because we know it is a minority(albeit a welcome one) - you see our side has a bit more intelligence.
Islander1, Why are you so aggressive today?
Oct 08th, 2011 - 10:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Let me guess, your predictions about the game Argentina Vs Chile didn't go that well or les bleus gave you the blues?
Marcos Alejandro
Oct 09th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Digging up 200+ year history and using it is asinine.
The British raids on the Río de la Plata bear no relevance to Argentina or the Falkland Islands. Jog on.
America launched a raid on British shipping in Whitehaven in 1812, it was a disaster, John Paul Jones the British born captain of the USS Ranger decided to attack his old port because he knew all the pubs. Which is where he and his crew ended up! Today he's an American hero for the Whitehaven pub crawl... you can't make it up! This was 200 years ago. We could of course dig it up - along with countless other examples - to troll some US web blog and poke fun but what is the point?
Likewise I could dig up stories from the history of your country, such as the British building all your railways and bridges, the Welsh colonising Patagonia, the tens of thousands of people from the British Isles who settled in Argentina and contributed to your country in positive ways. Argentina had the largest British ex pat population outside of the old British commonwealth and Western Europe in 1982. The ties between the Falkland Islanders and the people of Pategonia was and is still strong, with family ties going back countless generations. But rather than fostering friendship your gormless military junta headed up by second generation Italian immigrants who had no idea of the relationship between Argentina and Britain and couldn't of cared less. They being too busy murdering the same Argentines they claimed to represent, in a country they knew far too little about to have bothered caring!
You do know that Operation Condor - the murder of tens of thousands of political dissidents throughout Latin America, especially Argentina - was sponsored by the CIA? What does that say about the relationship between un elected military governments and America? They were in America's pocket, they were serving America not the people of Argentina. And when they checked how the US government would feel about
@38 .... carry on...
Oct 09th, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos, I am just rapidly getting fed up with crass idiots on here! Sport, well I understand it was to be a steep hill for Chile to climb foorball wise - and they did not make it- would have been happy news here had they climbed - but he better team won I agree. Similar for the Rugby, Thts how it goes!!
Oct 09th, 2011 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcos - if it is broken then why is it still turning.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am delighted with RKH sp and bought another £10K on Wed at 174p. Will get my £10k back pretty soon and will tuck those free shares away for a tasty dividend when we start producing in 2016 :-) Yummy!
Come on Thick boy, you could make yourself some profit from these levels!!!!
Beef, No thanks, I don't buy stolen goods nor I need toilet paper( £)
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It's hard to find any country on Earth that celebrates a lost war.” (Zethee #6)”
Oct 09th, 2011 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just FYI i was quoting #4 not stating this myself.
Yup, Z, realised it later.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0G.
Marcos - and I thought you Argies used envelopes to clean your arses. You find plenty of them in the post offices you decide to crap in!
Oct 09th, 2011 - 12:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will keep drilling, there is nothing you can do and I have yet to see any nation take any action in support of Argentina. Chuckle chuckle!
@ 38 Anti-Fascist (#)
Oct 09th, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Briatin has been North America's bitch since WW2. The Gringos shout “LEAP” and you British ask, “HOW HIGH”? Which is why you got your asses kicked in Basra and now in Afghanistan.
And the reason the British do not produce any coins to celebrate their military defeats is because there have been so many defeats you don't have enough metal.
For example:
Dunkirk 1940.
Singapore 1942 - this was the biggest and most humiliating defeat any military anywhere suffered.
Suez 1955
The Somme 1916 and even with the help of the Gringos you still couldn't defeat the germans - they agreed an armistice remember and the german army was allowed to leave the battlefields with their weapons and flags flying high.
Afghanistan, 1842, 1880, 1919. In 1839 you sent an army of over 30,000 into Afganistan and it was slaughtered to a man.
Gallipoli, 1915 You were slaughtered again by those nasty fuzzy-wuzzies.
Iraq, 1916. When you got so angry you dropped mustard gas on the ungrateful tibes.
Isandhlwana, 1879. This was particulary unfortunate as the natives only had pointed sticks to poke you with.
Castlebar, Ireland 1798. This was infuriataing as the irish only had rocks to throw at you but you still managed to lose it.
Saratoga, 1777. We better not mention this...oh those sneaky rebels!
Yorktown, 1781. You were right to surrender here as your generals had run out of champagne so they were suffering badly.
Hastings, 1066. Oh those sneaky French!
Orleans, 1429. Those garlic eating devils again!
Bordeaux, 1453. enough said..wink wink
Medway, 1667. this one really caught you on the hop.
The Hundred years war, 1337-1453. what a mess that was!
The US war of Independence, 1775-1783. you had a good excusse for losing this one as your king ahd gone bonkers and thought he had become a fire engine.
The Battle of Cartegena de las Indias, 1741.
And then there were 268 more defeats at the hands of those cunning natives when you got kicked out of your colonies....
[][The Somme 1916 and even with the help of the Gringos][]
Oct 09th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[if this is the mesure of your history , then the rest is crap as well.
April 6, 1917
That is when the US declared war, but their armed forces were not fully engaged in France until the Spring offensive of 1918
Hi, Fan #46.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I also thought of 'doing the list', and prepared a multi-country saga of celebrated failures.
I had as much fun as you obviously did - and learned a lot of history along the way.
But as history is viewed very differently by the 'winners' and the 'losers', I realised that all it would do is raise people's temperatures (again!).
So I penned a little 'pointy' piece @ #16 about the way we all re-write history to suit our purpose.
Some writes/re-writes accord with the international rules/norms/laws/even truths,
other re-writes are blatent untruths and sometimes - laughable.
46 fantazum2011
Oct 09th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know you run out of space, impressive list though.
Fantasy - I remember the battle of Dunkirk but not a war. Looks like you don't even know the difference. You are as thick as Marcos.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Did we surrender at Dunkirk?
Perhaps the Argie coin should have the back of a running Argentine soldier on it, as that was the most common action they adopted when they caught sight of the British.
@Fantasy Boy - there is a difference between losing wars and losing battles, the majority of what you listed where not wars but battles that took place as part of other wars, the majority of which we won. Argentina is celebrating a war that they lost not a battle they lost and although we do celebrate battles we lost, they are in memory of the fallen not the fact we lost, and nor do we claim sovereignty of terriroty fought over in a war that we lost. Why you ask? Well simple really, if you lost the war like you did in the falklands then you also do not have sovereingty of that territory. Thats why everyone thinks the proposal in the article is so dam stupid and an idiotic ambarressment to your country if they go ahead with it, as no other country has ever commemorated a war they lost and celebrated sovereingty of the territory that the were fighting the war for when they lost the war and therefore do not have sovereingty over any of that territory.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 04:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your basically claiming you have sovereingty over a territory that you do not even have sovereignty over, can you see the self-contradiction there fantasy boy? Because thats why your country is the laughing stock of world politics, even your so called neighbours, despite they expression of support (made in their own interests i.e. trade etc) will not commit to such support. You idiots need to learn to read between the words more and read the small print too before jumping on the bang wagon claiming they are on your side lol.
50 Beef (#) Oct 09th, 2011 - 04:18 pm Report abuse
Oct 09th, 2011 - 04:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fantasy - I remember the battle of Dunkirk but not a war. Looks like you don't even know the difference. You are as thick as Marcos.
Did we surrender at Dunkirk?
Errrrr...no...you swam for it
Yes, we retreated, stopped a Nazi invasion of our country (unlike you we had no intention of inviting them in) regrouped and went back!
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like Churchill said “we will never surrender”. Galtieri and Menendez didn't have the guts to keep on fighting. But as they were hated by their own troops this was probably the way they could lose as little face as possible.
Still, 2012 marks 30yrs of British victory in the defense of Brtish territory and it's population in the South Atlantic. A bonus for Argentina was that our victory helped speeden the return to democracy in your county. No need to thank us, we know you love us really and wish us all the best in future oil production.
.-.-.-.- if you use minimum 50.000 soldiers ..you make WAR..
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.-.-.-.- if you use 20.000/30.000 soldiers...you make COMBAT..
.-.-.-.- if you use 5.000/20.000 soldiers .. you make CONFLICT..
.-.-.-.- if you use 2.000/5.000 soldiers ...you make CONTENTION ..
.-.-.-.- if you use 500/ 1000 soldiers ...you make BULLYING...
.-.-.-.- if you use the foreign military power...you make CHEATING...
where is our militarist friend Artillero ...??
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0could he jump into “” Occupy Texas“” protests ... !!??
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Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef - the british sold you down the river before 1982. They wouldn't even give you british citizenship. They never helped you build a road in the Islands or assist you with essential health care and education.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The 1982 war was about political opportunism for the Thatcher government. If she believed that winning the war would NOT have got her re-elected she would have thrown you to wolves.
Wake up beef - you have all the cards in your hands right now to dictate a settlement that will allow you you to retain your autonomy, retain your british citizenship and most importantly allow you to make all the money in the world from that oil without outside intereference.
Right now you can dictate terms but once that oil starts pumping the political environment will rapidly deteriorate and you will once again be subject to the whim of politicians on both sides of the divide who will only be looking to their own egos...their own careers...and political opportunism.
You will be the pawns in what the british once called “The great game”.
Fantasy - I am not a Falkland Islander. Haven't you figured that out? I see we will need a new level of intellect that is below Marcos.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina can do nothing about the FI oil. You are not wanted, not needed and no other nation is supporting you with actions. Brazilian ports continue to make money from the drilling! Talk is cheap and that is all you have. There is no need to give you pity as you are already drowning in so much self-pity it is truly embarrassing.
.-.-.-.- if you use US military....you make DILEMMA
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0.-.-.-.- if you use Russian military ... you make DISASTER
.-.-.-.- if you use British military ... you make JOKE
.-.-.-.- if you use Argentine military ... you make, WHO?
Oct 09th, 2011 - 05:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paraphrasing Mr. Beef at (58)……..
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef - Geo is not an Argentinean. Haven't you figured that out? I see we will need a new level of intellect that is below Briton or Conqueror.
Except I was responding to Fantasy when posting at 58?
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** Beef
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you discuss some serious all subjects on Argentina/Chile/Brasil/...
US/UK/EU...Russia/China/MidEast ... All Africa ...except Antarctica !!
sometimes...i am here ... not everytime ...!!
@63 que?
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 64 beef
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i guess the article “” Moody downgrades 12 UK finance firms on fear BoE
will not rescue weak banks “” subject is more important than these
junk Falkland/Malvinas subjects for you...doesn't it ... ??
(62) Beef……………
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And who are you responding at (56), (60) and (64)?
…………….To a Ethnic Turkish “Gastarbeiter” resident in Germany that can’t write, speak or understand any congruent English, German, Turkish or Spanish but that boosts about his superior Nobel Prize intelligence………………..
Besides………….; he is one of my impersonations.
Chuckle chuckle™
@n 58 Beef (#)
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“No need to thank us, we know you love us really and wish us all the best in future oil production.”
The above statement you made implies that the oil is YOURS and if you are not an Islander then you consider the oil to be Britain's?
Islanders take careful note....
** beef
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0i know as the British like to walk around in public parks with leashed dogs not coop escaped chuckled chickens ...right ??
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do know ..i am from where ?? ...noone hasn't estimate yet !!
I see Britain now intends to use South African bases if Argentina tries its luck again. Probably Chilean bases as well as Chile is intelligent, regularly exercises with the Royal Navy and provides refuelling points for RAF aircraft.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course, it's doubtful if Argentina has the guts to try again. Not least because, if Argentina tries again, Britain will make sure Argentine casualties will be a minimum of ten times what they were in 1982.
Anybody have a problem with Buenos Aires being replaced with a crater filled rubble and Argentine corpses? How about a plaque? Stupid pride before a disastrous fall.
i am not certain
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT
i look around a real British friend here to explain the details of
“” chuckle “” word ..
in British slang jargon ; “” chuckle “” means is the calling of chicks by mum chicken...!!
as you know that the cocks don't use this messages..
my question to real British friend this “” chuckle “” slang is used in
which part of England ..??
if there are any real British they should know it ..!!
may be the [ briton ] knows it ....!!
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Fantasy - In a round about way the oil is mine. I hold an equity position in a company that has a licence to exploit the oil. So I see that asset as partly mine as I own part of the company that has the rights to the asset as granted by the FIG.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The FIG and Islanders profit from the licence fees, taxes, royalties and associated business. Wonderful thing this team work!
Geo, I am very happy that 12 UK banks have been downgraded. This downgrade was based on the likelihood that the UK gvt would be less likely to bail the banks out if they were in difficulty. This means that the money I pay in tax will not necessarily used to pay the bonuses and salaries of the inept. Also means I get a higher return by lending money to the banks :-)
** 72 Beef
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0are you certain that taxes will be spent to proper areas..
for example that ...
Sir Paul Stephenson, the disgraced chief of the Metropolitan Police
retired this July with full pensions/benefits on a salary of £ 250.000
having been exposed for taking favours from journalist under the investigation for hacking phones.......
@ 72 Beef (#)
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Geo, I am very happy that 12 UK banks have been downgraded. This downgrade was based on the likelihood that the UK gvt would be less likely to bail the banks out if they were in difficulty.”
British government to bail out banks again:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/10/07/rbs-bail-out-oh-no-not-again-this-time-nationalise/
IMF says europe will have to bail ou its banks again:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/10/07/rbs-bail-out-oh-no-not-again-this-time-nationalise/
British government to bail out Royal bank of Scotland again:
http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2011/10/07/rbs-bail-out-oh-no-not-again-this-time-nationalise/
LOL @ beef
may be the “” chuckle “” slang is not from England...
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0may be this slang is from USA...
Let's ask it to our friends who from USA ( from which region)...!!??
Cut a chuckle is British slang for to laugh
Oct 09th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to laugh inwardly or quietly
The comedy of the Chuckle Brothers
1590s, frequentative of M.E. chukken “make a clucking noise” (late 14c.), of echoic origin. It originally meant ”noisy laughter
Probable of or from a farm,
Coined in speech, of probable middle England, from northern England,
Lancashire/Yorkshire,
Use as in coronation street as [chuck] chuckle]
Possible but not proved,,
Hey, geo, why bring me into your abbreviation of words, and names,
I had to come all the back from the British space station to answer this, [chuckle chuckle]
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Fanta,
Oct 09th, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now you see why I opted to NOT post the list!
I would be interesting to see the dates on this new coin:
Oct 09th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 030 aniversario de la guerra de las Malvinas, 2 Avril 1982-2nd Avril 1982.
:)
There seems to be collective amnesia in Argentine political circles about what exactly the final results were 2 months later.......
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Oct 09th, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you say “ten thousands of british people settled in Arg and contributed to your country in positive ways” Yes and also they took many benefits from living here as british immigrants
“ties between Malvinas and Arg patagonia were and are strong” few malvineras families (a dozen?) came to the continent tented by Roca to settle in the Patagonia.... the others came directly from Scotland and Wales (not Malvinas).........many links you have? curious
and the same talk of militar junta, murdering your own people...we know that and we HAVE JUDGED IT AND ARE IN JAIL.
Dont understand well what you wanted to say that becuase there was a big coute of italian immigration here that was that caused the brake of the realtion between arg and britain??
@46fanta,
Oct 09th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your interpretation of history is quite a bit suspect, but then you Argentines always twist the facts to suit yourselves.
Look at your ridiculous claims on the Falklands & Britain's Antarctic territories for example.
Anyway, afterall we can move on from military defeats & try to do better next time. lt's called “learning from your mistakes”.
Something that you Argentines seem incapable of.
You lost in 1982, pure & simple. Get over it & stop bitching like little children.(you're welcome to try again, if you dare).
You cannot win ALL the time. Nobody wins ALL the time.
Even the American Empire will fall one day.
Concentrate on making your country as wealthy as it was in 1900 & stop your bullying tactics with your neighbours & we might, just might talk to you.
The road you are taking now, leads nowhere.
Peace.
Peace, but first, by commitment of ONU,please get a little chat whit us about sovereignity ;)
Oct 09th, 2011 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, I was reading you tax goes from 15 to 20% recently? 5% in one shot?
We have 21%...you are very close to us every day about it ;)
And I read to, UK want to use South African bases If We want to recover by force the island...SARTMA says it is impossible, because Argentina has agreements recently signed whit SA on Defense. Ans remember, SA is a partner in missiles research whit Brasil, and we are theyre clients.
Brasil acoording whit us says your flag are ILEGAL so no ship to their ports.
In case you can sell any oil in the future, please try to understand our country has MANY WAYS to recover that money, increasing taxes to british companies who sell into Argentina, EVEN MERCOSUR can do that, your oil will be only use for you, and some people tell me you need it.
So you think british are idiots.
Please give me a break-
B.R.
let' not talk violence as it not going to happen. Argentina has no Junta now and Kirchner has to answer to the electorate and their representatives and no way will they support another malvinas conflict.
Oct 09th, 2011 - 11:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get that e-petition signed :-)
Oct 09th, 2011 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/10/09/overseas-aid-v-british-interests/
Rosarino - actually MOST of the Scots names in Santa Cruz province came originally from the Islands, as the first settlers and land owners in S Cruz.- as did some of the first sheep.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 12:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0SAfrica as a base - the English press write just as stupid as the Arg ones do at times!! Thats a silly fantasy story as Capetown is nearly as far from here as Ascension - where UK does have base facilities! Ignore it.
Brasil! - read the small print of these staements - you will see there it says “within International law etc” - that means that in actual reality and practise, ships from the Islands would be allowed into Brazilian ports! - They do indeed go there at times!
Your President is to dumb to read the details of anything - she just gets a headline that makes her happy!
Arg to increase taxes on British companies exporting to Arg - no problem - plenty of other countries to export to.
Through Mercosur! - um - err - I think Mercosur wants to do a deal with the EU - of which UK is a member(and the Islands are also!) - so if a deal is done between Mercosur and the EU - sorry - even Arg will have to abide by its rules then - or face a ban on Arg by the EU!
Fantazum - thats the price of 8 years of Kirscheners stupidity - it has got Arg NOWHERE when it comes to the Falklands! Not at inch of real gain has it! Now under menem adn the late Dr Ditella it was very different - they put the dispute to one side under the famous “Sovereignty Umbrella” and worked to make friends and improve relations gradually.
Has that poplicy continued - believe me - by now the UK would have been pressing us hard - we would have to have had started talking to Argentina - and possibly people here would have viewed it as a good thing!
Lucky for us - along came a pair of arseholes who totally destroyed Argentina,s credibility of having a genuine position.
46 fantazum2011--- You really are a thick T**T in wars you can lose battles in battles you can win wars. You, you thick T**T don't know the difference from battles and wars. And we wonder why we are having problems with Argentina of the Falklands, its staring everyone in the face they are thick as pig shit and don't know any difference. Lets list the battles that we lost
Oct 10th, 2011 - 03:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Dunkirk 1940. yes we lost that battle, but hey didn't we do well in the same year when we won the battle Britain and stopped those Nazis dead in their tracks all on our own. We went on to win the war four years later. But you knew that didn't you seeing all those Nazis were given hospitality by Argentina, what a disgusting thing to do.
Singapore 1942. another battle that we lost, but didn't we do well making sure that the USA came into the war seeing that we kept secret the fact that we knew for four months that Japan was going to bomb Peal Harbour and we kept it from America who did you say was the poodle?
The Somme 1916. Another battle not a war, are you beginning to see the difference yet thick T**T and seeing that the Americans did not come into it until the last year of the War I think the French, the British and all her commonwealth soldiers can take credit for that victory.Oh and did you notice to racist bastard I called the Americans by their correct title.
Gallipoli, 1915. Another battle fought mainly by the brave soldiers from Australia and New Zealand who you have just insulted you racist bastard.
Afghanistan, 1842, 1880, 1919. we won all those campaigns and the massacre that you are talking about was when we were going back to India after winning and after been assured of safe passage they were attacked by hill tribesmen who massacred all the wives and children along with the husbands who were soldiers so those 30,000 were a mixture of non combatants who could not defend themselves. A little bit like the indians that Argentina killed a few years later, bet that makes you proud.
(84) Islander1
Oct 10th, 2011 - 03:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”Lucky for us - along came a pair of a***holes who totally destroyed Argentina,s credibility of having a genuine position.”
I say:
”Lucky for us”?……..Why are you whining all the time about Argentina then?
One thing for sure…. If oil is not found in commercial quantities, you are going to get much more of that ”luck”.
If oil is found……............. Well; that will complicate things even further…………
“If oil is found……............. Well; that will complicate things even further…………”
Oct 10th, 2011 - 04:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0How will it complicate things? The Islands will be rich, and Argentina will not be allowed to share in it because they have pissed off the Falkland Islanders, seems pretty simple.
Now there was me thinking that oil HAD been found !
Oct 10th, 2011 - 05:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
(#) 75 Amigo,
Oct 10th, 2011 - 08:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The race is not possible here why
You are 2006 Ferrari,
Think is 1963 Ford pick up ,together with all personifications.
You could always substitute the - “chuckle, chuckle...” with - “chortle, chortle...”
Oct 10th, 2011 - 09:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Bound to go down well in places like Texas...
Think, nobody whining here! Plenty of criticism at Agentine stupid attitudes - hell its a lady in BA who does the continual whining - and just look how much impact it has made on her target - zero.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aha- so Arg is going to start WW3 then if oil goes commercial? Bugger all else that she could do in reality- other than further inflame her vocal chords.
Much the best solution would be wind in the neck, take some honey and balsam, and actually participate in and make a share of money out of it.
@83 Redhoyt,
Oct 10th, 2011 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Signed.
@81 Rosarino,
No talks about sovereignty, anything else, maybe.
Ok,Lets have an un official Falklands one struck saying :-“2012 Thirty years of prosperity since we kicked the Argies off, Praise to the fallen” and in the reverse, “The Falklands, Southa Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces were always British”.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 083- 92 Oh Oh, Im going to sign too...........so in a week we shall be millions!!!! a por ellos!!!
Oct 10th, 2011 - 11:59 am - Link - Report abuse 084 most scots in santa cruz are originally from the islands?? you may think
84-Islanders.... as you know, the important thing is Brasil SAYS you have an ilegall flag and blablabla...if you have ships into port, ok, use them if you can...but no wit your flag ;)
Oct 10th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mercosur is 360 million people and their resources...so our resources you say can use for get rich is a dream....british are not idiots, they use that and anothers for get more power for negociate anything else.
And you became part of that negotiation, when they say “whishes vs interests”.
Nations have only interest, not friends, and whisies are only for idealist, not for estatemans.
Mercosur and UE, can agree in several items, but UE need more than us we need them.
Need FOOD and raw materials; cheapest as they can; and they as a serious competition whit China about it, and China is NOW became the N°1 buyer in Mercosur zone, and a big investor. And tehy support our clams; and USA says GREY WORDS, or close to impartial place.....
Think about coalition therms: who are you? you are only a “capricho” of british government.
92- Isolde...sorry, is what about we want to talk whit your represents...UK government.
Please:
If you want some respect, abandon UK umbrella and get self determination whit an ONU Protection-
First, recognize yourselves as AMERICAN GUYS, SOUTH AMERICAN PEOPLE, and adopt your own american identity.
You are part of one continent, american, and that fact no change.
And Islanders...please try to know more because your idea about british investments in Argentina are wrong...
Money of british people are in:
HSBC-SHELL-BARRICK GOLD- CADBURY (who manufacture here and sell in all Mercosur) ETC ETC ETC.
They have more money than 200 times your size of islander economy.
Still asking....you think british people are stupid?
B.R.
@55
Oct 10th, 2011 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who is occupying Texas? the Mexicans? :-)
** 96 Arty
Oct 10th, 2011 - 03:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0when Texas becomes independent ..i want to come visit of you...
Gov. Rick Perry raised eyebrow with comments he made at a teaparty rally on tax day 2009,saying Washington needed to be more attractive to state's demands he asserted “” ...Texas is a unique place ,when we came into the Union in 1845,one of the issue was that we would be able to leave if we decide to do that ....'''
As far as Texas becoming independent .... not anytime soon.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As far as Perry becoming the next US President .... not anytime soon either!!
In 1845, Texas was broke that is why they joined the Union.
....who knows ...!!
Oct 10th, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe California will be first...!!
last week ,i met with one of my close friend who came newly from California...he told me interesting things about there...black out density,
full of hispanic & asian populations ..whites seems like the tourists at streets..collapsed economy..dense illegal migrants... many details..
California is always broke and is not because the illegal immigration .....
Oct 10th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#97/8 Texas is the only US state that retains the option to leave.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 04:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see it happening.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, getting back to the commemorative Argentine coin. Don't forget to include all the relevant facts. 649 dead. 1,068 wounded. 11,313 POWs. Lost - 1 cruiser, 1 submarine, 4 cargo vessels, 2 patrol boats, 1 spy trawler, 25 helicopters, 35 fighters, 2 bombers, 4 transports and 34 other aircraft. And, lest we forget, 1 Argentine surrender. Probably going to have to be a pretty big coin. Worth what? 10 pence!
Oct 10th, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beef, The broken drill bit keeps turning!
Oct 10th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Urinehopper update: 169.38 -11.25 (-6.22%)
Investor comment:
“Then the usual AIM mugging started and we now sit at 169p. Continually marked down, day on day on day. Down 11p or 6% today with no news or information.. AIM is a yuking joke and no wonder investors have walked away from this casino trading platform.
We will be lucky to get back to 200p when more oil gets reported. Think hard before investing any future hard earned cash in this AIM mugging platform. IMHO AIM is no longer an investment platform but a milking machine”
Somehow this forum reminds me of this:
Oct 10th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-29-2011/on-topic---daily-routines---accents
Rosarino, a couple of points:
Oct 10th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Firstly if Independence was possible we almost certainly would have been so by now - BUT - Argentina refuses to recognise that we have any rights at all - so it is prettty clear that Arg would refuse to recognize us - and invade. And as Independent then we would not have UK protection. Simple fact.
So actually Argenine policy FORCES us to keep UK here in the S.Atlantic for our protection.
Arg threat to takeover of close down UK compoanies trading in Arg- simple - do not forget that UK is a Member of the EU - try that and Arg will find itself closed off by the EU just for starters.
As for thinking you can “buy” us out becasue of UK investment in Arg. You do not understand Britain at all - that nation has gone to war more than once, not because it has been threatened - but on a point of principle.
Where are we - I agree we are close to S America and that is why we have a fair number of cultural and climatic similarities etc. But we are an Island people - not Continentals - try asking someone from Tierra del Fuego and I expect they will tell you the same! Same as the UK folk are an Island people - they are close to Continental Europe but feel-think-act in a different way. Island people all over the world do.
How about a coin to commemorate an unequivocal Argentine victory- the Dirty War?
Oct 10th, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A gentle and informative response, Islander1.
Oct 10th, 2011 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I hope Rosario treats it with the respect it deserves.
It's official - the Falkland islanders have the right to self-determination and to dig out their own oil. :-)
Oct 11th, 2011 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/10/11/all-peoples-have-the-right-to-self-determination-united-nations/
Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error. :-)
Oct 11th, 2011 - 03:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Marcus Tullius Cicero
Sounds like a dead italian :-)
Oct 11th, 2011 - 03:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Or a modern Argentine lol
All over for another year then!
http://wp.me/p1IAoy-30
I imagine the FI post office will put out a nice set of postage stamps for the 30th anniversary of the defeat of the fascists.....
Oct 11th, 2011 - 03:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0A major difference between that and the RG plan..... the stamps will appreciate in value... the planned 1000 peso coin won't buy a cup of coffee down the track.....
Duke of Wellington, British Prime Minister
Oct 11th, 2011 - 04:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0” It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port [Egmont], which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago. If our right to the Falkland Islands had been undisputed at that time and indisputable, I confess that I should doubt the expediency of now taking possession of them. We have possession of nearly every valuable post and colony in the world and I confess that I am anxious to avoid to excite the attention and jealousy of other powers by extending our possessions and setting the example of the gratification of a desire to seize upon new territories. But in this case in which our right to possess more than Port [Egmont] is disputed, and at least doubtful, it is very desireable [sic] to avoid such acts. I am at the same time very sensible of the inconvenience which may be felt by this country and of the injury which will be done to us if either the French or Americans should settle upon these islands, the former in virtue of any claim from former occupancy, the latter or both from any claim derived by purchase or cession from the government of Buenos Ayres. That which I would recommend is that the government of Buenos [Ayres] should be very quietly but very distinctly informed that His Majesty has claims upon Falklands Islands and that His Majesty will not allow of any settlement upon, or any cession to, individuals or foreign nations of these islands by Buenos Ayres, which shall be inconsistent with the King’s acknowledged right of sovereignty.
I think that this is all that can be done at present. It will have the effect of impeding any settlement or cession by Buenos Ayres and as we may suppose that the French and Americans will hear of this communication they will not be disposed to act in contravention to it unless determined upon a quarrel with this country.”
Back to my comment @ 7
Oct 11th, 2011 - 06:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0What would be the metal of choice, then - Al, or could Arg afford Sn, even?
(106) Islander1
Oct 11th, 2011 - 06:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0A gentle and informative response, Islander1.
But it doesn’t address the central issue.
The central issue being that the individuals, currently exerting control over the Malvinas Islands are British.
The central issue being that Mother-country Britain, hiding under the shirts and in collusion with you, British squatters in Malvinas, has decided in 2010 to exponentially escalate their exploitation of mineral and natural resources in the South Atlantic.
The central issue being that, at last, Argentina has decided to adopt a firm and irreversible policy against this blatant attempt of theft, and that since 2010 we are having great diplomatic and political success in presenting our position to the world.
I sincerely hope that the FCO and the Islanders continue with their haughty position, because it is the one that better suits our strategy.
Sincerely
El Think
@ Marcos
Oct 11th, 2011 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah yes, the same quote you repeat over and over again when everything else falls to pieces. pity that it means less than nothing, either legally or politically, and merely shows that the duke of wellington was not aware of the history of an (at the time) exceedingly minor territory.
@think
the fact we own the Falklands upsets you? you know i would ask whether the countless innocents your ancestors exterminated when it took what is now Argentina were upset at all when you annihilated them
and maybe whether the fact that you are now, 200 years after stealing their land, STILL whining about the fact that Britain was able to chase off your failed attempt of stealing islands we had an older and stronger claim to, is not a tiny bit pathetic for a 21st century nation.
and as for the islanders “hiding under our skirts”, it seems that is a preferable alternative than for Argentina to whore itself out to anyone in sight, just screaming for sympathy and pity while pretending that it is a victim of some great injustice... for failing to suppress thousands of peaceful islanders when Argentina formerly succeeded in exterminating such opposition in the past.
and now that Argentina has adopted utterly impotent measures which have, as shown by the growing industry, failed in hurting the islanders or the UK to any real extent, you are reduced to hiding under a rock, emerging only to snivel that same repeated line of “another nail in the coffin” to try and deny the sheer impotent, pathetic and pointless lack of influence Argentina has on the world or even the islands it obsesses so much about.
i sincerely hope Argentina continues this hysterical position. not that it suits any strategy of ours, you are far too irrelevant and powerless to feature into any real aim of ours, but it sure is a laugh, and it is almost comforting to see such a self obsessed nation continue to humiliate itself in imaginative new ways.
“I sincerely hope that the FCO and the Islanders continue with their haughty position, because it is the one that better suits our strategy”
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Would that be CFK's election winning strategy?
@116 finthorpe,
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't beat around the bushes or sweeten your words, finthorpe.
Tell Think to his face what you really think of him & his country.
(being sarcastic here!) Like your style though!
The funniest thing they have said so far is the recent comment by the argentine representative at the UN in response to the UK's statement, that its the UK that is changing history to suite its claim! LOL So i assume that according to argentina then the rest of the worlds history is false if its different to Argentinas view of history! I geuss they forget that we have the historical documents and records to prove that our version of history is true and 100% factual, unlike theirs.
Oct 11th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0“British . . . . decided in 2010 to exponentially escalate their exploitation of mineral and natural resources in the South Atlantic.” Think #115
Oct 11th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0I´m having real trouble testing your assertion, Think.
I can´t find a single statistical test that will accept a move from Zero exploitation to One exploitation, that will confirm your claim that this is an exponential increase.
[Exponential:
Relating to a mathematical expression containing one or more exponents. Something is said to increase exponentially if its rate of change must be expressed using exponents. A graph of such a rate would appear not as a straight line, but as a curve that continually becomes steeper.]
@115...
Oct 11th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think you are simply wrong. I know this will be hard for you to understand because of your indoctrination but the the Falkland Islands Government is the organisation that controls the oil exploration in the Falklands. The UK government has nothing to do with it.
Also, it is at an exploration stage....no exploitation...at the moment. But when the resources are exploited, the beneficiary will be the Falklands, Britain will not benefit directly, and might do indirectly if FIG pay for its defence.
Until you understand this basic fact, you will always be wrong. But as they say Think, ignorance is bliss. Until you exit your fantasy world your will fail to comprehend all of this.
MoreCrap - still quoting your own version?
Oct 11th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't even get that right?
The real letter says, “ It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. ...”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1823-1833/
ALL, you idiot !
desperat words from a defeated disgruntled minority,
Oct 11th, 2011 - 01:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“has decided in 2010 to exponentially escalate their exploitation of mineral and natural resources in the South Atlantic”
Oct 11th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wasn't it you claiming and boasting that the reduction in tonnage caught by Fishing fleets in Falklands waters this year was a direct result of deliberate over fishing in Argentine waters......Thus how can it be an exponential increase.....if its eeer...down from last year? Also I'm at lost to figure out how hydro carbon exploration has suddenly become exploitation?
Oh dear Think I think it might be prudent to start rubbing that rubber balloon against your head to re charge your brain cells.....
We do not care how long you have claimed Las Malvinas, or even that your claims pre exist Argentina by several hundred years. These are irrelevant papal bull gifted these lands to Spain in 1493 and therefore Argentina.
Oct 11th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WHO CAN ARGUE WITH PAPAL BULL?
I have much regard for Pope, in 1937 the Vatican signed a concordant with the Nazi's, they gave approval to Hitler and supported his policies, they provided a rat line for escaped Nazi's to come to Argentina and join our security services and help to carry out genocidal operations for the CIA throughout Latin America, ridding the continent of any one opposed to US driven monopoly corporations!
Our government have always served the Argentine people with the barrle of a gun this is why I love them.
@Filippo
Oct 11th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Papa Bull Treaty was itself irrelevent as none of the major powers acknowledged it as a legitment document other than spain and portugal. And sorry but the truth is under law at the time it was not enforceable. In fact it became unenforceable in the treaty of madrid in 1750. Also Britain Formally objected to the Papa Bull, therefore we have never seen it as being Legitimate under international law.
I would sure love to see your government use the papa bull treaty at the ICJ, i think you would become an even bigger laughing stock then you currently are, and boy that would take some beating lol.
@122
Oct 11th, 2011 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“History is a set of lies agreed upon”
Napoleon Bonaparte :-))
126 Teaboy2 (#)
Oct 11th, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tordesillas had ceased to have any validity for Spain long before the 1750 treaty. In 1648 Spain signed the Treaty of Münster recognising the independence of the Netherlands. In that treaty in article V, Spain accepted that its territories consisted of those it held at the time:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/33633447/Treaty-of-Munster-article-V
And each one, that is to say, the said Lords the King and States, respectively, shall remain in possession of and enjoy such lordships,
towns, castles, fortresses, commerce and countries of the East and West Indies, as well as of Brazil, and on the coasts of Asia, Africa, and America, respectively, which the said Lords the King and States, respectively, hold
and possess,
Spain did not hold the Falklands at the time, nor did it hold many other parts of the Americas it later acquired through conquest and subjugation
@118 lsolde
Oct 11th, 2011 - 05:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why thank you :D
to be honest though i just would like an answer from one of these Argentine nationalists who is able to marry such a screaming, chest thumping and sanctimonious view of Argentina's pride, strength and prowess, with their governments stance of begging for pity and sympathy, and getting nothing but the same old “we support negotiations” (in other words they don't care in the slightest, and thus give the most neutral,committal answer they can think of) from everywhere they go.
seriously having CFK almost literally whore Argentina's reputation and favors out so that nations like China can say “it would be nice if Britain would at least slightly pander to Argentina” without any interest or commitment (and who then continue to have a much closer trading/political relationship with the UK, than Argentina has with anyone at this time) must clash with their triumphalist view of Argentina.
@126 teaboy
while the obvious troll is obvious, he does occasionally bring up a good point about Argentina's throwing out the names of these treaties in an effort to give their case desperately needed legal backup.
hell given how the 1850 convention of settlements rips apart their “unending claim” bullcrap, the NS convention has been categorically proven to not apply to the Falklands (because it referred to islands bordering Spain's empire in 1790, it did not include the Falklands because Spain didn't own southern Argentina), their “1833 expulsion” myth has been disproven by (among other things) the diaries of Darwin and Fitzroy (which due to the fact they have been researched and analyzed by thousands of different scientists are the epitome of cast iron sources), the papal bull is quite literally their strongest point.
**118 isol
Oct 11th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to beat about the bush !! ...not around !!
Britain's message to Argentina over the Falklands: back off
Oct 11th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[or else]]
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100106691/britains-message-to-argentina-over-the-falklands-back-off/
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TWIMC
Oct 11th, 2011 - 06:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I feel like answering to the posters that commented my post (115)
(116) finthorpe
That’s the spirit mate…... Keep the good work…..... Nobody is listening to Argentina…. Just sit back and relax…........................
Chuckle chuckle™
(117) The usual Sassenach Turnip..................
(118) Isolde
Bon soir to you too, petite…....................
(120) GeoffWard
2009 = Zero (0) British Oil Exploitation Companies in the South Atlantic.
2010 = Five (5) British Oil Exploitation Companies in the South Atlantic.
Exponential enough for me….......... (and the rest of South America)
121 M_of_FI
You will have to comprehend some basic facts:
1) Falklanders are British.
2) Falklands are currently a British OT.
3) Ergo; every penny made in Malvinas ends in British pockets.
(124) The Sassenach Turnip again….......... Booooring...........
@think and any other brainless aregentine
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ok then, what nations have said anything more than (and i paraphrase) “can the UK please, please be nice to Argentina and pander to their whining”?
has anyone stated definitively that they give Argentina 100% support politically, economically or militarily?
how many of them are actively using political/economic/military measures against Britain to this end?
how many of them have done ANYTHING aside from nod impatiently and then move on to ACTUAL issues?
has ANY of the nations technically involved changed anything in their relationship with the UK (i.e. has china dumped it's enormous trading relationship to pander to argentina?)
has the ICJ, UN charter or ANY international authority with any legal power said definitively that the islanders have no rights?
has Argentina conclusively given a reason why it deserves self determination despite it usurping the entirety of it's territory from the natives who were then butchered?
still i guess i cannot judge one like you, it must be difficult reconciling you shrieking nationalism with you and your nation's sheer lack of brain or spine.
** 131 brit
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a moment !!
there is a big problem there ..
the name is “” the United Kingdom of Great Britain and N.Ireland “” ??
Great Britain = England + Scotland +Wales
each/all are adopted to the Kingdom where have ..Wales Prince..
Edinbourgh Duke...Kent Duchess....etc
BUT
Northern Ireland has no persons who have any monarchic titles..
this means that Northern Ireland is not a monarchic country..
THEN
how can her majesty( Queen) be the head of Northern Ireland ??
any referandum had been made for this subject in Northern Ireland ??
133 finthorpe
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said before.......... Relax & Enjoy (and watch your blood pressure).....
Argentina can do nothing.......... You are sooo right........ You are a genius man!
I sincerely hope the FCO and the squatting Brits on them Islands listen to you and follow your shining path.
Chuckle chuckle™
@think
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sooooo instead of proving your own points, refuting mine, bringing your own supporting evidence into the argument, you repeat the same passive aggressive whine and run away?
why am i not surprised?
and btw my blood pressures fine, i merely copied and pasted, and it actually warms my heart to see how pathetic and inept the opposition to human rights is at it's heart.
and as four your bizarre problem with chuckling, i know your nation is laughably pathetic at this current time, but its ok, no one cares and we don't judge you.
@Think...
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a convenient and lazy interpretation! But you are once again incorrect. We are an overseas territory, but the Falkland Islands benefits from exploiting (or exploring in the hydrocarbons case) its own resources. Britain does not directly benefit. Repeat...BRITAIN DOES NOT DIRECTL BENEFIT. All administration and policing if conducting by FIG.
** 131 brit
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0continues...
merely can be
United Kingdom = England +Wales +Scotland .....
THEN
curiously..
are represented that Australia ,Canada ,Falklands...some other islands
covered in United Kingdom or not ??
Think,
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it might be good enough for you and, as you say, for South America,
but the truth is,
you need more than 'two points on a graph' to test the propositions of linearity, expotential, logorithmic, or some other form of relationship.
(136) finthorpe
Oct 11th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long time ago, I decided not to interact in here with insulting Turnips.
And you are obviously one of them.
Don’t worry, be happy and just forget about Argentina.
“We know nothing”
Chuckle chuckle ™
(137) M_of_FIG
Repeat.......
THE FIG IS BRITISH….
YOU ALL ARE BRITISH…..
BRITAIN DOES BENEFIT DIRECTLY…
(139) GeoffWard
Gaaaaab…..
Time for the Missus to send you to sleep in the doghouse again…..
Pobre Santa Mujer…................. My regards and condolences to her ;-)
@think
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so instead you mass spam self righteous whining and attempt (with no success) to affect an air of intelligence while running away from any disagreement?
theres a name for that. cowardice, and it is something your kind is no stranger to.
now unless you have something new then stop whining and go away
134 geo
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don’t be so silly
What the hell are u going on about .
138 geo
What the hell are u going on about,
Read the link.
And don’t concern yourself with difficulties .
,
** 142 brit
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0no reply ? ! ..... the flaw of monarchy !
Ouch, ouch, ouch...........
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yet another Brutish Turnip that mortally offends me and orders me to go away...
If he only said please, I maybe would................
. UNITED KINDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN.
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England has existed as a unified entity since the 10th century; the union between England and Wales, begun in 1284 with the Statute of Rhuddlan, was not formalized until 1536 with an Act of Union; in another Act of Union in 1707, England and Scotland agreed to permanently join as Great Britain ; the legislative union of Great Britain and Ireland was implemented in 1801, with the adoption of the name the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland; the Anglo-Irish treaty of 1921 formalized a partition of Ireland; six northern Irish counties remained part of the United Kingdom as Northern Ireland and the current name of the country, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, was adopted in 1927.
POINT OF NOTE.
The executive power of the Crown is exercised by the cabinet, headed by the prime minister.
now drop it GEO.
you have no concept of the united kingdom or what it meens.
laugh laugh.
@think
Oct 11th, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so why exactly do you spend hours on these comments sections screaming for attention if you don't want to argue?
thing is i would guess you tried arguing before, but failed at that as much as you are currently failing at trolling now.
and now, with precious little left do do, you just mass post the same self righteous rantings, and pretend this compensates for the attention you so sorely lack elsewhere
thing is with actual trolls like filipino they are able to get this attention and succeed in creating fairly amusing diversions, you on the other hand just fail at this.
sad, but not unexpected.
The Giant Turnip“ or ”The Enormous Turnip
Oct 11th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is a progressive story, in which a grandfather plants a turnip, which grows so large that he cannot pull it up himself. He asks the grandmother for help, and they together still cannot pull it up. Successively more people are recruited to help, until they finally pull the turnip up together. The specific ordering and set of people and sometimes animals varies.
In English, the fairy tale has had multiple treatments. One of the unfinished projects of award-winning illustrator Ezra Jack Keats was a version of ”The Giant Turnip
Definition
a rounded white root
tough and stubborn,
straight and honest
a british tunip in action.
Laugh laugh .
.
** 145 brit
Oct 11th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your comment is not reply to my # 134 + # 138 posts !!
just compiled from Wikipedia ...not contains a logic/argument ....!!
dont be silly
Oct 11th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and it was not compiled from wikapedia, im not an argie,
you did not ask a spesific question [like always]
and only exept the answer that complies to your thinking.
SO ASK A
SPECIFIC QUESTION
134 geo
Oct 11th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Queen inherited the title Queen of Ireland upon her fathers death in Feb 1951 (even though southern Ireland declared itself a republic in 1949, it did not do so though a formal treaty and the declaration was not officially recognised by the British state until the Queen coronation in June 1953. She was crowned Queen of England, Scotland and the Province of Northern Ireland, just as in New Zealand she is Queen of the Dominion of New Zealand, in Canada Queen of the Commonwealth of Canada, in the Channel Islands she is Duke of Normandy (the Channel Islands being inherited from the Kingdom of France from the time when there was a dual monarchy of England and France under Henry VI - following the hundred years war, Agincourt, etc).
** 149 brit
Oct 11th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0spesific Q ..OK !
why Northern Ireland doesn't have any persons who have monarchic titles..??
** 150 Anti-Fascist
Oct 11th, 2011 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not reply to me ..you just tell us the formal history ...!!
i ask the monarchy title persons ...not Queen ..!!
But the most significant announcement was the one that Prince William has become Baron Carrickfergus among many other titles
Oct 11th, 2011 - 10:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.irishcentral.com/news/news_from_ireland/The-royal-history-behind-Prince-Williams-new-Irish-title-121048544.html
, as for the rest, perhaps they all left,
British history is probable the most complex in the world,
But your question
Prince William
Is become Baron Carrickfergus, of northern Ireland.
116 finthorpe and/or 122 Redhoyt
Oct 11th, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Ah yes, the same quote you repeat over and over again”
What? That was the first time that I Posted that, so you don't believe the British general who defeated Napoleon and was twice British prime minister?
Such an honest man, I am sure he was not born in England.
Duke of Wellington,
” It is not clear to me that we have ever possessed the sovereignty of all these islands. The convention certainly goes no farther than to restore to us Port [Egmont], which we abandoned nearly sixty years ago. If our right to the Falkland Islands had been undisputed at that time and indisputable, I confess that I should doubt the expediency of now taking possession of them. We have possession of nearly every valuable post and colony in the world and I confess that I am anxious to avoid to excite the attention and jealousy of other powers by extending our possessions and setting the example of the gratification of a desire to seize upon new territories...
152 geo2
Oct 12th, 2011 - 01:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0I answered the question, she is Queen of the Province of Northern Ireland, what more do you need? Anyway they are not important. Northern Ireland has it's own government and so does the UK. The Queen is just a figurehead.
154 Marcos Alejandro
The thoughts and rambling of public figures from 200+ years ago is assernine. You will find the French and Spanish expressed similar thoughts on the Falkland Islands. People now live on the islands and have done for over 170 years. If that doesn't give them a right to determine their own sovereignty what does?
155 Antifascist:
Oct 12th, 2011 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ask any islanders if they want to be southamericans.....they only want to be english ...no other nothing-- is incredible when you ask what answers you can get-
They are not south americans; they live in south hemisphere.
And any other explanation is a nonsense created olny for argentine complots-
What is happend whit this people?
About history: british shows documents of 300/400 hundred years ago...why Mr. Marcos Alejandro is not rigth?
I prefer speak of the present: LATAM doesn´t accept the british power in South Atlantic, and thats the way for us to get more attention of the international comunnity about UK intentions; cheap food, cheap oil, and Antartida-
Can´t see the big picture? we know perfectly why UK want to keep “occupied” the islands.
Keep drilling, you are helping ourcase in front to LATAM and the wolrd ;)
B.R.
@Marcos and Rosarino
Oct 12th, 2011 - 07:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wellington had his own personal view on the islands just like everyone else has, but the fact is Britain never ceased its claim to sovereingty and wellingtons personal view at the time had no bearing on or claim to sovereingty which we later reaffirmed. Taking wellingtons personal notes and comments, and using them as evidence to support your claim is nothing more then desperation, it would be like me taking an argentines view that the islands do not belong to you (And many do believe the falklands are not yours) and using that to support Britains case.
As for the islands prefering to be british than known as south americans - Well why the hell would they want to be known as the same class as you dumb argentine nighbours. Perhaps, though oblivously this has not occured to you, that maybe they are proud of their british ancestors and british connection and wish to remain british, unlike you back stabbing argentines who turned on your own country SPAIN. Are you south americans? No your of Spanish european ancestors, only the natives are true south americans.
** 153 ...**155
Oct 12th, 2011 - 09:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0BUT
Great Britain(UK) flag has mere England +Scotland flag symbols
where are the Northern Ireland & Wales flag symbols there...??
@130 geo,
Oct 12th, 2011 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you geo, your colloquialism is correct.
l was 5 years old before l acquired English & l occasionally regress.
@135 Think,
Well, what exactly are you doing, constructively apart from complaining to anyone who will listen. lf you have the courage of your convictions why don't you go to the ICJ.
Oh yes, silly me. You want to stack the court with your mates before doing that.
@156 Rosarino,
Who are you to decide that Britain can have no presence in the South Atlantic? The ocean does not belong to Argentina & Britain was there before you.
The same goes for the Falklands. We were here when Argentina was only just south of B.A. Read a real history book, man.
@140
Oct 12th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think tell me exactly how Britain directly benefits from the Falklands soley exploiting its own resources and receiving all of its benefits.
FIG is the Falkland Islands Government, the British Government does not have a say in how its run. FIG is directed and instructed by the democratically elected representatives of the Falkland Islands people. Ergo, Britain do not have any say on what FIG does. I know this because I have voted in elections, I work for FIG and I see how the political process and decision making takes place. My experience and knowledge completely trumps your lazy interpretation. I have seen it with my own eyes, you have nothing to base your lazy interpretation on, other than its convenient for you.
Think you really need to comprehend the facts here and stop your lazy interpretation. You are only trying to convince yourself that your country's imperialistic ambitions are valid.
158 geo
Oct 12th, 2011 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The St Patrick's Cross is incorporated into the Union flag representing Ireland, the flag of Northern Ireland is the St George's Cross with the red hand of the province of Ulster in the centre, the St George's Cross is also the flag of England and incorporated into the Union flag. Wales isn't represented on the Union flag because constitutionally it was unified with the Kingdom of England in 1282.
** 161 A-F
Oct 12th, 2011 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0thanks ..!!
“I prefer speak of the present: LATAM doesn´t accept the british power in South Atlantic”
Oct 12th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't care.
154 - MoreCrap - and your point is ??
Oct 12th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wellington authorised the protest to Buenos Aires - nuff said !
@159,You can say beat around or beat about,most people I know say beat around including me :)
Oct 12th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0** 165
Oct 12th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BUT
i understand ,some persons who have English as a foreign language
make mistake sometimes ..like as using “” around“” instead of “” about “”
very normal.....don't be obsessed with it ....!!
and what is wrong with
Oct 12th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0around
rather than about//you never heard of beat around, the bush
or
around and about//or aroundabout.?
@157 Backstabbing ?? haha what an idiot !!
Oct 12th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so they claim to be eruopean in South America ? fooktards
So if I follow their logic, I'm as european as they are, que kelpers pateticos
Nos vemos la proxima
Well
Oct 12th, 2011 - 10:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you explore the human decent
Then your very own logic will tell you,
That unless you are indigenises to Argentina,
Then you along with millions of South Americans are decent from European countries, just as the Falkland Islands are,
The main difference is that, you got your independence, called your selves argentine,
And refer to your selves as South Americans,
On the other hand, the Falkland islanders are still British, and freely refer to them selves as British,
Rather than South American,
We can see no problem in this thinking,
Why then does you and others want to make a mountain out of a mole hill ????
.
@168 - And what would you know? after all your just a european offspring that is nothing more than a south american wannabe. Did the native south american people give you or your parents or their parents or your european ancestors south american citizenship? No they didn't. You just wiped out the majority of the native tribes and now simply refer to yourselves as south american even though your not natives of south america.
Oct 13th, 2011 - 12:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Liliana Fadul diputy of our province: Tierra del Fuego, Antartica & South Atlantic Islands (includes Malvinas islands or fantasy name of Falklands)... Here in Ushuaia we are very proud of this good idea!
Oct 13th, 2011 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, when is Argentina going to give back to Bolivia the province of Formosa and those two other chunks of land slightly NE of there?
Oct 13th, 2011 - 06:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0@171 Ushuaia?? Don't you mean Navarino Norte? or maybe Harberton West?
Oct 13th, 2011 - 07:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0No Frank, I said Ushuaia, the southermost city on world, gate to Antarctica, capital of the Malvinas Islands too, the most prosperous city in Patagonia, where people are free, developed, educated in universities, that is the opossite in Falkland ocuppied, where we can found a dictatorship, people with resentment and pirates.
Oct 13th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“educated in universities”
Oct 13th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0......
“that is the opossite in Falkland ocuppied, where we can found a dictatorship, people with resentment and pirates.”
Lmao.
Nitro, sorry to correct you on some points:
Oct 13th, 2011 - 03:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The southernmost city in the world is officially Puerto Williams.
This has been even recognized by the argentine government.
2. The most prosperous city in Patagonia is Punta Arenas.
Usuahia is like a suburb of PA, hardly a suburb can be more prosperous ;)
@175
Oct 13th, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Look, at least the debate is peaceful . I don't want to hear that “somebody” wants to put a kukri up my ass :-)))
You have to laugh at nitrojuan's statement (174)...
Oct 13th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A dictatorship...really? Are you going to stick with that statement? If you do, all of your credibility is lost. If you believe that, it only proves you know nothing about the Falkland Islands.
Artillero601: True. Some of the new British posters here are quite frankly embarrasing.
Oct 13th, 2011 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0jajaja ManRod... have you been in Pta Arenas... i have visited that poor city... i feel i was in some Centralamerica city, people send everything in the floor, you can take a taxi where you found another persons in the same car!!!... chilean go to Rio Gallegos Hospital for better conditions....
Oct 14th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ushuaia is the southermost city in the world (100.000 free inhabitants), Pto Williams the southermost VILLAGE (4000 inhabitants), Puerto Argentino (fantasy name:Stanley) the southermost invaded village in the world (2500 pirates + 2500 army)
Nitrojuan, were you born stupid or did you have to work hard to become so? Puerto Argentino(ridiculous name! ha ha)exists only in your mind.
Oct 14th, 2011 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The correct name is Stanley.
Thank you soooo much.
the argentine population consist of 60% people of italian origin,the italians never won a war,so there will be no Argy threat more ,even
Oct 15th, 2011 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0a war with Uruguay will be lost by argentina
Yes nitro, I have been in Punta Arenas. It's a very old city compared to Ushuaia, and due to the near gas fields exploited nearwise, you shouldn't be doubting too much about “prosperous” or not. The “taxi” story, not sure what you intend to say with that, but you surely know what a “colectivo” is, that is actually an “argentine invention” if am not mistaken. For all non-chileans/non-argentinians, a collectivo looks like a Taxi but actually has a firm route. Mostly this is due to destinations which do not require big mass transports and can be found everywhere. It doesn't actually say something about wealthyness or not, you will also find these transportation forms in Buenos Aires, Santiago... even in the Netherlands (Deeltaxi), USA or other parts of the world.
Oct 15th, 2011 - 10:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0And like it or not, Puerto Williams is officially the southernmost city in the World, this has been even recognized by the argentine government in a bilateral convention (huh!) in 1998.
Check out the argentine newspaper confirming it...
http://edant.clarin.com/diario/1998/06/30/e-04801d.htm
cool, I would love to have one of this coins to buy a british pounds with it in the near future.
Oct 15th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I remember trading (swapping) these memorial coins - with footballers on them - when I was young.
Oct 15th, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Then we put them on the railway track rail to make them bigger and flatter. We thought that made them 'more valuable'.
The adults never told us when we were young that the coins had no value in the first place.
l suppose you could always make bracelets or necklaces out of them.
Oct 16th, 2011 - 07:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0I know their great grandparents traded with the indigenous tribes these shiny low-denom. coins for their land.
Oct 16th, 2011 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good deal/bad deal.
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