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Argüello insists: Falklands ‘lives off MPA and the British Antarctic Survey’
Argentine representative before United Nations Jorge Argüello insisted in a public statement that ”be it not for the aid from London, the Falkland Islands could under no concept subsist without its natural continent, South America”. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThis is almost as stupid as when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad claimed Europe was stealing Iran's rain.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 04:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ah, when you are in a hole you might as well carry on digging. Sounds like someone has realized he has fucked up.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0thing is the info he claims is “unavailable” is easily accessed on sites like the official Falklands government site and the CIA world fact book as well as all the surveys and censuses referenced.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0seriously it takes like two seconds to find the info, which i suspect the arch clown is aware of, and is now just hoping the islander government doesn't bother making people aware of.
now where are all those argentines asking how dare the islanders not try to be friends with argentina? and asking what argentina does to deserve the contempt it gets?
what is also interesting is that he projects his own government's desire to cover up the facts from citizens on the UK in a painfully transparent attempt to justify his own worthless country's delusions.
when even north korea makes you look bad in terms of propaganda and nationalistic delusions, you know your country has messed up bad.
He believes his own propaganda; every good salesman has to promulgate that his product is the best, even when it is the poorest in quality. His audience isn't of the most sophisticated or the better informed, and as has been stated by Braedon 3 above, the islanders themselves can easily voice any problems by simply telling the world via the internet or personally. Lastly, these blogs all help to keep the Argentine pot boiling adding Falklands ingredients. This includes useless invective from thoughtless people.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0What a dick.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 4 “He believes his own propaganda” yes, like the Ashkenazis who say they are semites and the are the descendants of the Ancient Israelites. Héctor Timerman is an Ashkenazi, they love lies and they are masters of lies, there's nothing you can do against an Ashkenazi. The Ashkenazi mother of Cristina de Kirchner, Ofelia Giselle Wilhelm, has done a great job teaching her daughter how to lie, don't you think? :)
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0LMAO Seriously someone needs to teach this clown how to use google.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I assume this is a feeble attempt at influencing British public opinion over the Falklands.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is clear he simply doesn't understand the British at all. Even if his claims were true and that the islanders were being subsidised I doubt it would affect public opinion at all. In fact I'd predict that many people assume they are subsidised anyway.
Secondly does he really think many will get to hear his claims? The Falklands are very rarely in the mainstream British press. It's an everyday issue in Argentina but a once in a blue moon topic in the UK. Most Brits simply aren't interested in the Argentine claims and would be amused and find them silly if they were to hear of them.
What an arse - - Indeed ,when deep in shit - carry on digging Argie! Yes most people I meet in UK are indeeed surprised to learn that apart from Defence, the Islands cost them zero - and that Defence is partly balanced by the £millions of exports to the Islands and the salaries we pay to those we need to come and work here in specialist jobs.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 09:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Fact is Mr A - the Falklands ceased being a direct financial cost in support to balance our budget in mid 1880s - that for dimbos like you is about 130 yeara ago!
Our Int airport now has almost as many civilian commercial operations (paying full cost rates) as it does military type passenger flights - all their groundhandling etc is also done by local companies.
The stupid prick cant even get the nationality right in his lying statement. Notice he says ENGLAND when he should have said BRITAIN, what hope is there when he gets that simple fact wrong. I notice that he still has not done the decent thing in putting that gun in his mouth and pulling the trigger while sitting in front of that other stupid Argentine the Wicked witch of the South he would have done his country a great service and it would have been cheap only one bullet.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Does he realy think that we British give a dam when an Argintine speaks? We and the whole of the world knows that when an Argentine opens his mouth all that comes out is shite and lies, we all know that when on the teat of their mothers the mother is whispering when it comes to the British call them English and lie and lie to muddy the waters.
I don't understand how this guy is allowed to carry on doing this. If any other diplomat from any other country stood up a peddled lies that could be easily disproved by anyone with internet access, they would be removed from office.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I actually think he's doing us a favour. Every time he says something like this, it gives us a great opportunity to tell people a little bit more about the islands.
I have a copy of the Falklands Census on my computer. Mr Arguello, if you would like a copy of this publicly available Falkland Islands Census, please leave your e-mail address in the comments section and I will be able to send it to you.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 11:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Falkland Islands became financially independent in 1881, for info. Precisely 130 years ago.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11 I don't understand why you don't understand. This is clearly CFK-inspired. The poor dear is suffering from PMT again. That's Pre Mental Tension. She's way beyond the Menstrual stage. She's trying to work up to a thought that will clinch her re-election whilst enabling her to steal more money.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 12:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps one of our more erudite commenters could tell us whether the UN is actually entitled to expel an ambassador or request one be recalled on the grounds that (s)he's a lying toe-rag.
Some little while ago, when I first became aware of the site, I took the opportunity to send a message to http://falklandislands.fco.gov.uk/en/ suggesting that they should regularly detail what Argentina is up to in relation to the Islands, what lies Argentina is spreading and the real truth.
I wonder where all the argentine bloggers are, perhaps they are not here because they themselves have already argued such facts he claims are hidden and have had full access to such facts themselves, even posting their own links to them in past articles. I guess even they can not support this idiots claims.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 12:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So one question i have for the argentine bloggers here is - If this one politician can make up such lies about the islands, whatelse has your government lied to you about, inregards to the falkland islands?
Put it this way, if they can lie about this then its clear they are more then willing to lie about their entire claim for the islands and lie about their view of the islands history.
the British Crown is committed to make the English people
Oct 17th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a dick
This guy Argüello not only looks like a moron, he talks like one. If the any Argentines want to discuss this type of ridiculous propaganda in all seriousness they should be considered the same way, as morons that is!
Oct 17th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If they want to be seen as morons let them rant on. It's highly amusing that this is the level that their government has stooped to. It's a sign of desperation.
It is easy to know what this government thinks and what they say they will or will not do. Just assume the exact opposite of everything that comes out of it.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 02:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a clown.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I looked it up, the BAS employs 2 people in the Falkland Islands. Is this guy smoking something?
Oct 17th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the mentality of the Argentine nationalist, brought up on a diet of fascism, death, murder, homnosexual rape committed by the same people they beatify with the status of hero's, infact cowards, murders and rapists, criminals and Mafioso like Galtieri -
Oct 17th, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.yendor.com/vanished/junta.html
“A young woman testified that after she had been held blindfolded and tortured for months she and others in her group were allowed to clean themselves, in preparation for a visit to the detention center by General Galtieri, who was then army commander of the local district. Galtieri asked if she knew who he was, and if she understood his absolute power over her. ``if I say you live, you live, '' he said, ``and if I say you die, you die. As it happens, you have the same Christian name as my daughter, and so you live.'' Nunca Mas, introduction
Or Astiz -
[From the testimony of Silvia Labayru, File No. 6838]:
”Alias 'Angel', 'El Rubio', 'Blondie', 'Crow', or 'Eduardo Escudero', then a navy lieutenant, had some experience of infiltrating human rights organizations. Possibly this is why he was entrusted with this particular duty at the end of 1977. Between October and November 1977, under the name Gustavo Niño, Astiz began to attend the masses, public actions and meetings being organized at the time by the families of the disappeared. He posed as a brother of a real missing person...“
”The fourth and last time, when I went with him to a private home in the La Boca district, it had been decided in advance that the people in the meeting would be kidnapped. This was one of the five operations which were to be carried out between the 8th and 10th of December. The other four were: the abduction of a group meeting in Santa Cruz church; the abduction of people gathering at an established meeting place in a bar on the corner of Ave. Belgrano and Paseo Colon; the subsequent kidnapping of Azucena Villaflor de Vicenti, founder of the Mothers of Plaza de Mayo group, as she was leaving her home, and finally the kidnapping of one of the nuns, Leonie Duquet, at the home she shared with Alice Domon, who had previously been abducted in the La Boca district.”
is this not just a repeat of the other blog, is merco-press running out of stories,
Oct 17th, 2011 - 03:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the man is totaly deluded, just like some of his bloggers,
TWIMC
Oct 17th, 2011 - 04:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) King Edward Memorial hospital is 75% financed by the British MoD. Everybody in the Islands know that.
2) Mount Pleasant Airport operation is 100% financed by the British MoD. The token fees the FIG and Lan pay to use the Airport don't even cover the cost off the Fire brigade. Everybody in the Islands know this.
3) The +2,000 British troops and Civilian personnel of Mount Pleasant Base are, by far, the biggest customers of Malvinas Business. Everybody in the Islands know this.
Without those three more or less hidden subventions from the Mother Country, the budget of the Islands would be “on the red” by between 35 to 50 million £ per year.
And OVER all this comes the quite expensive Defence bill………………..
So..... stop whining dear Kelpers and accept the fact that you are a bunch of hard working squatter’s parasiting the UK taxpayer.
More or less like the European farmers……
Working hard all day to produce uneconomical foodstuffs….
To get subsidized by the rest of Europeans that do generate competitive products and/or services................
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/Economy.html
Oct 17th, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.falklands.gov.fk/Economy.html
http://www.falklands.gov.fk/Economy.html
took 2 seconds to find this info, all of which utterly refutes the spineless half wit Argentina elected to represent it to the world (fitting from such a spineless nation come to think of it), and of course your own self pitying screed.
1)seeing as the garrison also takes advantage of this hospital it makes sense they foot some of the bill... and can i get a source which states your claim?
2) well not only do the garrison use it for pretty much all travel, thanks to a neighboring failed state with a habit of trying (impotently) to bully the islanders, which regularly attempts to cut off the islanders from elsewhere
3)wow 2000 soldiers? there were almost 100000 tourists last year i believe. plus the 95 (according to the CIA) percent who work in agriculture, 2000 soldiers is barely a fraction of a percent of the tourist income.
and of course all three would not be necessary were Argentina not the kind of worthless third world wannabe dictatorship who have a proven history of attempting violent annexation and ethnically cleansing in the 20th century.
now as you lack the testicular fortitude to argue i advise you just do as your conscripts did in 1982 and run away, this battle was lost by you before it even began, and no amount of the whiny, passive aggressive attempts at replying that you tend to employ will change that.
21 Anti-Fascist
Oct 17th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is the mentality of the Argentine nationalists, raised on a diet of fascism, death, murder, homosexual rape committed by the same people who beatify hero status, in fact cowardly murders and rapists, criminals and gangsters as Galtieri
Do not get confused. Not all Argentines.
Although UD. do not believe many Argentines, who unfortunately is not expressed this forum, think of human rights and we have suffered with 30,000 missing and concentration camps of the last dictatorship, although UD. not believe it, especially England and collaborated with Galtieri Margaret Teacher prior to 1982, the implementation of state terrorism with material technology (purchase of ships and aircraft) and specially trained personnel in torture and disappearances on his experience in fighting Irish Republican Army. Astiz was also trained by British officers in the implementation of torture and the disappearance of French nuns. This is explained as protected Teacher Margaret Augusto Pinochet, dictator of Chile, when he was arrested in London, accused of implanting along with Britain and the United States national security doctrine justifying state terrorism.
Web Check with Amnesty International, Mothers and Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo, Perez Esquivel, Nobel Peace Prize and other international human rights organizations and be amazed that the UK also collaborated in the implementation of state terrorism in Argentina .
It's worth bearing in mind that :
Oct 17th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England subsidises Scotland,
London subsides England,
and the same is true of most countries -
- including Argentina, where BA subsidises TdF, Patagonia, its Antarctic bases, etc.
This must be 'Ambassadorship 101'.
So we cannot assume that this 'ambassador' is uneducated, misinformed, or exceptionally stupid.
What we CAN assume is that he is speaking 'under orders', and that the Government expects to derive some (electoral?) benefit from his version of affairs.
It is probably in CFK's interest to have a gently antagonistic dialogue about TFI close to her election. I imagine it will fade away in a couple of weeks, and the dear old ambassador will be put out to grass somewhere like Haiti.
Think...once again youre statements are completely incorrect.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. The Hospital as part Medical Services is wholy financed by FIG and it makes a rather large deficit. So much, that a Medical Services Tax was added, to pay for this deficit. Services are sold to MoD, such as physiotherapy, however these services do not constitute to 75% of the cost of the hospital. You're generalisation that all islanders know that MOD pay for 75% is certainly a sweeping one, but all islanders know that FIG administer and fund medical services in Stanley.
2. MOD administer and fund ther terminal, you are correct, however the activities in the Air Terminal for the LAN flight is completely serviced by local companies. Airport charges are certainly not a token charge. LAN have expressed that Mount Pleasant is one of the most expensive airports in the world to land at.
3. The vast majority of services at MPA are contracted out to overseas companies, such as Interserve, Babcocks, BRINTEL. MOD are wanting to change this, so local companies can provide these services more cheaply, but only smaller services such as IT support.
The Falklands are self-sufficient Think, your statements are incorrect. I have seen FIG's finances, and budget books for financial years are available for £25, and they prove that you are completely incorrect.
Youre statements that everybody in the Falklands knows “this” are complete rubbish. You do not know a signle Islander and you are making sweeping, inaccurate statements to try and add credibility to yourself.
Think, please stick to the facts.
Raul -
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what year did Galtieri come to the UK to train in torture and disappearances?
“Astiz was also trained by British officers in the implementation of torture and the disappearance of French nuns”
Is that a special training course that would differ from the implementation of torture and the disappearance or normal people?
Im curious to know in what base in the UK he got this special training and who trained him, seeing as he personally oversaw the torture and the disappearance ov some 30,000 people i wonder who in the UK would qualify to teach this man anything on the subject?
(27) M_of_Fi
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 01) The 5 million £ the FIG(leaf) budgets under “Health” wouldn’t cover more than one month of the running costs of such a fine hospital. 28 beds 6 GP’s, 2 dentists and 20 nurses cost a lot..... “Nearly” everybody in the Islands knows this. Inform yourself, boy.
2) To run and maintain an airport of the size of Mount Pleasant you need an amount of cash on the wrong side of the 30 million £. I doubt very much LAN is paying that much for their weekly slot......... “Nearly” everybody in the Islands knows this. Inform yourself boy.
3) Yes, the MPA still contracts a lot overseas. But what they contract locally and what the soldiers, their families and the civilian personnel spends locally has a huge impact in the Islands economy...... “Nearly” everybody in the Islands knows this. Inform yourself boy.
If you have any concrete information that complements, contradicts or proves me wrong, I would be most happy to see it.
28 zethe
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So what year Galtieri come to the UK to train in the torture and disappearances?
Galtieri did not say I was in the UK. I said that in the context of the National Security Doctrine, English actor and the United States before 1982, Argentine repressors supervised practice of torture and repression of civilians.
Astiz was one example.
This was not new, was implemented this advice to all military regimes in Latin America as an example in Chile at the time of General Pinochet in the framework of “Operation Condor”
I suggest reading the following link:
http://www.prensaanm.com.ar/pei/md_nota.asp?id=9528
Don't expect El Thicko to back up his claims with logic, reason or hard facts. He can spout whatever crap he likes, he has never backed it up with hard facts.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Still waiting for his evidence to back up his claim that the settlement was expelled in 1833. So many other claims and misinformation the self-styled creepy stalker can't back up.
(31) Justin(hishead)Kuntz
Oct 17th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Or should I call you “Wee Curry Monster”.......
Still sore about being kicked out of Wikipedia?
One to many ”little convenient lie about San Roque or Malvinas, I suppose...
Get over it.
@29 Come on Thicko, you can do better than that.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are the 'King of Google' who always backs up his pontifications - such as they are - with a Google link.
I think the onus is on you to back up your statements....
Raul / you just contradicted your self,
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But again what the hell has this got to do with Argentina,
I can understand the resentment the jealousy, and even the envy,
But at the end of the day, if your leader was not deluded and obsessed with the Falklands, then perhaps she could spend as much money on you lot, so you could be proud of your country, rather than showing your envy against others.
Just a thought .
You specifically stated that we trained them Raul. I'm simply asking for evidence that we did so.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(33) Franky the yankee.........
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All the info you ask for is, as our Ambassador Argüello already explained in the article above, curiously “NA” (Not available) on the Internet.
But anybody can inform himself of how high a first grade, 28 beds hospital running costs are.
Or how high an international, all weather Airport running costs are.
Or how much 2,000 customers mean for the economy of a town of 2,000…….
The Kelpers are much more heavily subsidized by the UK than the European farmers are by the EU.
No rocket science to figure that out.
To be honest
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you believe anything Ambassador Argüello
Said, then you would surely have to believe in fairies,
But as they do, it speaks for itself,
Or what is meant is
How you interpreted the article,
We can all interpret things to suit our selves,
Facts are facts, evidence is evidence,
Interpretation, is just that .
,
Is not just Mr Jorge Argüello saying that.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC)
“UK can't afford the Falklands”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11999601
and you still belive that do you,
Oct 17th, 2011 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if the british could not afford the falklands, then why is not the falklands run by argentina,
so the facts dear boy speak for them selves do they not,
we can afford, and they are british,
another true fact is,
argentina CANNOT afford to take them back,
and never a truer word was said .
Ah I see El Thicko simply responds with the usual crap, yes I still edit wikipedia another lie. The thing is you spend so much time spouting lies, you tar everyone with the same brush.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You'll notice the abject coward is still hiding behind his anonymous little pesudonym, come on have you the balls to be a man and tell us who you are?
No? Thought not.
You'll notice that all mouth and no trousers can't back up his claim.
Thats just typical.
@ 36 ... so .... just your opinions....
Oct 17th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you sure you aren't Argüello's research assistant?.... and be a good chap... put your parrot back in its cage.
I would suggest that the military population spend 95% of what they spend on the base....
The airport is a military installation.... LAN pay a fair rate for the use of the facilities once a week .. no more no less.....
I don't have a clue what the running costs of hospitals are ... unlike you, Thicko, I don't pretend to be an expert on everything under the sun......
36 UnThink
Oct 17th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What a load of crap!
The problem with wide ranging, biased, exaggerations is no one takes them seriously. When even Argentina's educated class fail to make the reality test, you have to wonder what plant some of these people live on.
The problem with Argentina is its government, it suffers from a pathology that dates back to the early twentith cnetury, when the extreme Nationalist ideology that animates Argentine public education and political debate was invented. Originally a construct of reactionary Roman Catholic Conservatives, subsequently adopted by their nominal opponents in the Radical party, then by the military rulers who overthrew them and finally by Peronismo, a fascistic nationalist consensus in an otherwise deeply divided country. It is like the whites of the eyes, shared by all without realising it. It is a psychosis, an unbalanced irrationality caracterised by an insane obsession with the Falkland Islands and national expansion.
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Oct 17th, 2011 - 11:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Think- facts are never and Argentine strongpoint over the Islands are they! 41 is probably about right for military personnel spend locally, just the married families and a small minority come to Stanley, visit a pub or a wildlife lodge. Most stay on camp- plenty of entertainment and they can even buy their cuddly penguin there (made in taiwan usually) if they do venture further afiel - then it would probably be a forces R&R holiday trip up to Ascension of a few days in the sun.
Oct 17th, 2011 - 11:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only a few local companies have any regular contract work there, most of the big ones are all with UK based multinationals - who import their own labour.
Stanley Hospital - a small part -and no more - of the running costs are paid for by MOD.
MOD actuaslly get a usefull finacial contribution to the costs of operating their charter flights from sales of local tickets - well over £2 million a year. Likewise they sell freight space to us on the ship they have coming every 6 weeks anyway for their own uses.
So both of those incomes are direct Cash Incomes to UK from the Islands!
Still, no other argument has shown and real sign of gain to Argentina over the last decade or two - so why not try fantasy lies I guess!
he also tends to forget, that in a way, argentina is rsponsable for all the help the falklands may recieve, and they are so so envy the islanders,
Oct 18th, 2011 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0if they had not invaded the islands in the first place,
they would not be crying now, would they .
@ 45 briton, you are like a pendeja that will get holes stretched for the first time and she gets all excited about it
Oct 18th, 2011 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Verifiable facts remain:
Oct 18th, 2011 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 01) An hospital as the King Edward costs an awful lot of money.
2) An Airport as Mount Pleasant costs an awful lot of money.
3) The Malvinas Budget would be in “Deep Red” if you had to pay in full for what those two facilities really cost.
4) 2,000 extra people on them Islands means an awful lot of money. (Ask Tim Miller, if you want :-)
5) All the above economic information about the Islands is “not available”.
Why 5) ? :
Because you, British squatters in Malvinas are heavily subventioned by Britain and you want to hide it.
As simple as that.
well show us the verification then....
Oct 18th, 2011 - 06:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0And N/A doesnt stand for Not Available.... it stands for NOT for ARGENTINIAN eyes.......
Verifiable fact.... Thicko is all mouth, no trousers.....
Just a guess then?
Oct 18th, 2011 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0All that effort and you really don't have a clue.
An “awful lot more money” gets paid out in “foreign aid” every year.
#47
Oct 18th, 2011 - 08:42 am - Link - Report abuse 01. Actually no, the funding for the hospital is published in accounts by the FIG.
2. Costs and revenue for Mount Pleasant is published.
3. There are reports that detail the money accrued from the garrison again they're published. 2000 people happen to be dwarfed by the tourist income.
And you'll note still nothing that backs up what you claim. Every time you are actually asked for evidence to back up your outlandish claims you fall short.
All mouth and no trousers. TM
Don't pay too much attention to Think. He's a silly old codger that lives up in the mountains with his dogs & horses.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Probably snowbound all winter & he has to amuse himself by making up stories about the Falklands.
Think, its spring now, you can come out of your house.
Better still, Think,
Oct 18th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0take a holiday to the UK. Tour the place.
Try to get 'inside the skin and inside the brain' of the people you meet.
Like Elaine does to understand the South American condition.
You will meet attractive intelligent people, you may meet - if you choose to - unattractive, dull people; you will meet rural and urban people, and individuals of all colours and races.
Do not be afraid of the people you meet, and do not judge them too harshly until you have had time to understand their perspectives.
If you don't have the money to visit the nations of the United Kingdom, hop on a plane or boat and visit TFI.
You will be treated well there, and one or two of our posters on this site living in TFI will be happy to open your eyes to the realities on the ground.
Love the people you meet, but despise corruption - wherever you find it.
“Now, after this, today's sermon, we will sing the hymn . . . . . ”
Hey El Thinko, You say the hospital cost 30 million pounds to run a year. Well your wrong - The total expenditure on all health and social care in the islands is £7.5million, this includes the cost of the hospital, its nurses and it staff.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 09:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Plus, a small matter that you clearly forgot is that all non residents that receive treatment are required to pay for it via medical insurance, which hey presto, covers the costs of such medical care and costs of nurses and doctors providing such treatment. Look at USA hospitals and see how they all pay for themselves via patients paying for treatment via medical insurance, and that will give you an idea as to why and how health and social care only costs £7.5 million. I.e. it is is subsidised by foreign tourists (Not the UK governement), including the occasional argentine blown up an argentinian mines that his own country left behind, after wandering to far from the path ;))
and also.... if it wasn't for the ratbag attitude of argentina the airport would be a far simper affair .. just what is required to allow the operation of the A320's..
Oct 18th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Re the income from tourism..... up to 6000 punters on a good day.... 6000 penguins if not more ... what's the markup on a penguin?
Come on Thicko... you know everything else ... you must know the profit margin on a penguin.....
Think, yes I do have hard facts and these hard facts completely disprove you. I work in FIG and the work I have been involved with covers the three factors you have raised (hospital, air terminal and the FI economy) and the work that I generated and what I saw and researched completely contradicts what you claim, therefore disproving you cold.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0Think, I have the facts at my fingertips, and I am more than happy to provide these facts to you, even though you will come up with some conspiracy plot where FIG purposely deceives the FI population by making up figures, even though you already claim that “everybody in the Falklands knows that MoD blah blah blah”.
Think you are truly out of your depth here and your lies are unfolding. You are wrong about everything you have said. And I am more than happy to prove you wrong. LOVE TO IN FACT! It is just up to you embrace the truth. I think you are making these lies up more for your benefit than others.
34 British:
Oct 18th, 2011 - 12:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But again what the hell does this have to do with Argentina,
I can understand the resentment of jealousy, and even envy,
Dear British: He did not understand what he was saying. You are profoundly mistaken. It is not envy or jealousy, you adejetiviza too, is not a personal position of dictator Galtieri. To understand the madness and the atrocities of the military in implementing the national security doctrine and the consequence is state terrorism, is that we must examine the historical context and precesses socialism in Latin America in general and Argentina in particular. Only thus can one understand the involvement and participation of the United States and England in the implementation of state terrorism in Argentina in particular and Latin America in general and the case of General Pinochet in Chile ... The Falklands conflict, for your understanding should seen as understood in this context and most of the reasons for the conflict. Re-read the link and better understand the issue.
www.prensaanm.com.ar/pei/md_nota.asp?id=9528
35 Zeth
Otherwise that the trained Raul. I am simply asking for evidence that we did
The proofs are in the link above. Read and understand. The “Condor” was fostered by the United States and England. There is a vast literature on the pages of human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Mothers and Grandmothers of Plaza de Mayo.
Theres nothing in the link above that states that the UK trained Astiz and Galtieri to kill and tourture 30,000 Argentinians.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 03:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You're talking out of your arse.
Arguello insists “I am a brain-dead prick”.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is anybody arguing?
Come on Thicko... you know everything else ... you must know the profit margin on a penguin.....
Oct 18th, 2011 - 04:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thicko was spouting off that there was a great argie cunning plan to ruin the cruise trade to the Islands
Antarctica, South Georgia & the Falkland Islands (2012-13)
Adventure Cruising: Expert-lead expeditions to exotic locales, with shore excursions
http://www.abercrombiekent.com/travel/?tid=5440
Cruises visiting Port Stanley, Falkland Islands during February 2012
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(51) Cher Isolde
Oct 18th, 2011 - 04:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Close enough about the snow……...... You forgot the ash though……….....….
(52) GeoffWard
I have been in the UK about eight times…......Mostly in the Scottish North East Highlands.
Have you ever been to Argentina?
(55) M_of_FI
I repeat what I said to you on my post (29):
”If you have any concrete information that complements, contradicts or proves me wrong, I would be most happy to see it.”
You say at your comment (55) that you: ”…. have the facts at my fingertips, and I am more than happy to provide these facts to you….”
Well………..
Please do………….
Alright Think, I can provide these to you. What is your email address? Also, I will also direct you to information that shows that FIG contribute a significant cost to the MoD for the use of the Air Terminal, blowing another one of your theories out of the water.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 06:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I look forward to your reply and your conspiracy theories on how the information I will provide you is wrong...
Think, you've yet to provide any concrete information that proves yourself right..
Oct 18th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Zeth 57
Oct 18th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There is nothing in the link above indicates that the United Kingdom formed Astiz and Galtieri to kill and tourture 30,000 Argentines.
You're talking about her ass
Dear Zeth:
When will you stop insulting everything that does not know? I've said a million times, not reactionary and leave the hate and grudge against everyone who does not think like you.
Of course the link is not going to say exactly what you think find. You must refer to the pages of human rights organizations and search logistics and state terrorism “Operation Condor” and you will find. They did not only Argentina but also in other countries, in Chile with the 1973 coup of Salvador Allende.
I also suggest reading “action commands” of Isidore J. Ruiz Moreno. The book relates that British instructors taught in commando operations against civilians Argentina Army and Navy before 1982.
Thank you very much.
(61) M_of_FI
Oct 18th, 2011 - 06:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Don't be silly..............
If you have any info let everybody see it.
Just download your documents on any File Hosting Service and give us the link.
That would do the trick and everybody could see the truth.
46 xbarilox (#)
Oct 18th, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0, you are like a pendeja that will get holes stretched for the first time and she gets all excited about it
brag brag brag,,talk talk talk,
England knows that if it cuts the social assistance
Oct 18th, 2011 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What like Argentina?
Argentine aborigine children die of malnutrition and poor sanitary conditions
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/06/argentine-aborigine-children-die-of-malnutrition-and-poor-sanitary-conditions
Wot no evidence from El Thicko yet?
Oct 18th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0All mouth and no trousers! TM
Raul:
Oct 18th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The link didn't say anything about what you said.
“British instructors taught in commando operations against civilians ”
No, they didn't. That's just your interpretation of what they taught because your military used the techniques on civilians. The SAS did indeed train Argentinian commandos before the war. The SAS have at some point or another trained most of the worlds commandos/special forces. They do not run a civilian death training course, and if they had not trained them would not have stopped your leaders from killing your own people. If i buy a knife in a shop and then use that to murder 20 people in our country you couldn't sell the shopkeeper to jail because he “supplied and trained me in how to kill civilians with a kitchen knife”.
This is a vein excuse to try and blame someone others for your own peoples problems.
No Think, you and your fellow Argentines will see the truth. I will post the link ASAP.
Oct 18th, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I look forward to your backtracking or your conspiracy theories. Either way, everyone can see that you are wrong.
47 Think
Oct 19th, 2011 - 12:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're a cheeky little tinker aren't you. Wind up the Bens and see how far we go.
I couldn't give a monkey's whether ot not the government estimates are published online for any Tom Dick or Harry to look at. I've seen them and been given the opportunity to question my elected representatives about them, and that's good enough for me. So no, not secret at all.
The definition of 'secret' is not 'something we don't tell the Argentines'.
How about we show you ours if you show us yours? Tell us where to find a detailed breakdown of Argentine government revenues and spending and we'll see how we get on. Actually, I don't want it because it's none of my business.
Happily, government revenue is also quite a lot of money, although diminishing in real terms, which may or may not be a cause for concern. Not for you though.
(70) Monty 96
Oct 19th, 2011 - 04:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0A cheeky little tinker!
I take it as a compliment, coming from a Squatterette :-)
Anyhow……………
You say:
”I've seen them (the government estimates) and been given the opportunity to question my elected representatives about them, and that's good enough for me.”
I say:
Of course it is good enough for you!
You are a British kelper…
Making a lot of money from subsidies from the Mother Country AND serving its Colonial interests at the same time.
If I was in your place………………., it would surely be ”Good enough for me” too.
And whose land are you squatting on Thicko??
Oct 19th, 2011 - 05:57 am - Link - Report abuse 071 Think
Oct 19th, 2011 - 07:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're sounding a lot like our friend at the UN. I think you should get a job with the Argentine diplomatic service. That is, if you don't already have one.
Anyway, if the figures are so 'secret', then where are you (and your alter ego) getting them from?
And why do you think this is a useful line of attack, given the Britain actually does subsidise its other OTs and no-one in Britain cares about that?
And what are these subsidies of which you speak? Could it be that you've noticed that the MOD contribute towards the cost of the physiotherapy service that patches up their rugby injuries? Yes, this scandalous fact could well topple governments. The british public will be unmoved by arguments of efficiency and man-hours saved and demand heads on platters.
Don't you have anything better to do than worry about this nonsense?
Oh why are we waiting?
Oct 19th, 2011 - 07:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still no evidence from the creepy stalker El thicko?
All mouth and no trousers! TM
Come on Think, satisfy our curiosity
Oct 19th, 2011 - 08:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh why are we waiting?
Oct 19th, 2011 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am waiting for thicko's get out of jail card on this one “DYOR”
DYOR, I presume is a Spanish acronym equivalent to PIROOMA
Oct 19th, 2011 - 10:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0The estimates are not secret. They are publicly available at a small cost (£25) or if you put in a bit of time online lying about FIG being subsidised by the UK you will wind up a benny so much he will put it online!
Oct 19th, 2011 - 11:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The medical revenue generated from the MoD equates to 18% of total medical expenditure. Medical Services makes a deficit of £4.7m per annum. And payments from the UK Government cannot be found in the published estimates...however you can find payments from FIG to MoD labelled as MoD Air Terminal... blowing Think's crackpot theories out of the water.
Holdfast for the link...
Its no surprise most Falkland village people live on welfare from
Oct 19th, 2011 - 03:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England, or join the British Falkland army for work since there is nothing else for these chaps.
Lovely comment Tigre, shame is based on your complete lack of knowledge of relaity in the Falklands and the fantasy created by Argentina.
Oct 19th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 068 zethe
Oct 19th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, they did not. That's just your interpretation of what he teaches, because the army used the techniques on civilians. The SAS commands Argentine coach made before the war. The SAS has at some time or another most of the commands trained worlds / special forces. They have a training civil death, and if they had trained would not have stopped their leaders to kill his own people.
If they did, I invite you to read the book the author mentioned and be amazed. (“Action commands” of Isidore J. Ruiz Moreno). With all the respect you deserve, you are too naive in these matters, I'm naive about some things. Do not get me wrong, no sin to be naive , but no one spoke of the SAS, the book does not mention it. it is another type of command or force you to ignore, and which also involved in torture in Chile after the fall of Salvador Allende and conveyed his experience in the repression of Irish in Ulster.
If you have the opportunity to get the book and also to find in the pages of human rights organizations will find it.
This vein is an excuse to try to blame someone else for their problems own people.
Unfortunately you do not want to understand anything. It is not an excuse, we recognize our own crimes that shame us, but you do not recognize the crimes of their own English forces who have made throughout the world. Like it or not, anyone is free to cast the first stone. As you can see its commands or English forces, or whatever you call them, Angels not so good as you think. Investigate the atrocities done in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan and be amazed.
I don't know where Think gets his figures from, but the average cost of running a bed in the NHS is around £320 a day, this would seem to indicate a cost of around £250,000 a month to run the Hospital on the Falkland Islands, not the £5 Million a month he suggests.
Oct 19th, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“you are too naive in these matters”
Oct 19th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I certanly am not. You are making stuff up as a way to pin the blame for what YOUR leaders did to YOUR people.
“it is another type of command or force you to ignore”
The only other commando forces we have are Paras and Marines. Now i know for a 100% FACT that you are chatting rubbish. Paras and Marines recieve absolutely NO capture or interrogation training.
You're lying. And you're not even good at it.
You can keep trying to pin the blame for what your leaders did to your people all you like. It doesn't change the fact that your own leaders did it to your own people by there own will.
And the official reply to Mr Arguello is N/A :):):):):)
Oct 20th, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Im waiting for the twitter reply...modern
If the hospital, and the airport are financed by the british ministry of defence, is not such an important issue, there is not any total independent nation in the world, maye the government from the islands should provide a link where people can see on line, who finances the hospital and the airport, with the purpose of refuting arguello's words, however none member from the l. a did it yet, words and twitters are taken by the wind, the most important are the proves.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, the true important question, is the discution for the sovereignty, but unfortunatelly the myopia and the intransigence of the politicians doesen't let them to realise of the reality.
Like i said in many others oportunities, the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, if none of the two nations decides to take the question to the i. c. j, it's because actually both are not so sure that they their cases are going to triunph, so, if they are not going to give that step, what any serious nation must to do, is to resume the negotiations, and find a fair solution.
C. f. k. said perfectly before the u. n. that argentina is not asking the u. k. to resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty, it's asking to comply with some of the 10 resolutions of the u. n., where both countries are called to resume the negotiations. This is what i have said for the last two years and a half that i type in this forum. So, you have not excuse to not to resume the negotiations, if you keep on doing it, it's expectable that we have more problems in the future, anyway dont shake the ghost of a new invation, like some ignorants do it some times, read our constittion, and you''ll see what's the way that we must to use, to recover the islands.
Arguello has been eating too many burgers. This fat Argentine fascist looks like he doesn't do much exercise. I bet he has some equally big fat hands stuffed up his big fat ass.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“C. f. k. said perfectly before the u. n. that argentina is not asking the u. k. to resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty, it's asking to comply with some of the 10 resolutions of the u. n., where both countries are called to resume the negotiations.”
Oct 20th, 2011 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have had negotiations about air travel, fisherys, oil ect. There WERE agreements and negotiations about these things. Argentina has backed out of them. The UN asked us to resume negotiations and we did about the things i mentioned earlier. The UN as you've said never asked us to discuss sovereignty, So we wont.
The only thing we refuse to negotiate is sovereignty. This is the only thing Argentina wishes to negotiate.
“the solution to the conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders”
You're wrong.
85 axel arg
Oct 20th, 2011 - 04:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that the financing of hospital and airport are absolutely none of your business.
We don't need to put the detailed figures online, because that wouldn't prove anything. it would just be a set of figures.
You can take our word for it or not. It's entirely up to you, but I would advise you to believe it and go away and worry a bit more about who finances your own hospitals.
Until your man Arguello names his sources and comes up with some proper figures he's just another Argentine making up lies and telling them in public, and actually not worth devoting anything more than a tweet to.
And if an otherwise reputable academic institution wants to give him a platform for this nonsense, then more fool them.
This fool's ramblings make even some of the late Colonel Gaddafi's more incoherent rants look well researched and structured.
Oct 20th, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the Falklanders are so“ reliant” on the UK,what do they spend the revenue from the fishing licences and tourism on?
Oct 20th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if argentina can prove the Falklanders are so“ reliant” on the UK
Oct 20th, 2011 - 08:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why can they not prove what is being spent and by whome,
I still note a complete lack of supporting evidence.
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0I am unsurprised.
@85 axel arg,
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't have to go to the ICJ & we have a fair solution.
lt has been explained to you so many times, thick headed axel, that Argentina has NO RIGHTS in the Falklands. Are you so stupid that your miniscule brain cannot process that fact?
We will NOT negotiate with your country about sovereignty, there is NOTHING to negotiate.
How would you like to “negotiate” with a foreign country over Argentina's sovereignty?
How can you “recover” the lslands when you never owned them in the first place.
The only way you will get OUR islands is by court or war.
Hope this helps. Thank you so much.
Sorry guys! I have been busy and forgetful. I will be posting the truth at midday (Stanley time).
Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This will show the finances of the Medical Services provided in the Falklands. They are publicly available anyway, but Argentines prefer to not do their research and make it all up.
how can you talk to people that tear up agreements like conffetti,
Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ZETHE. MONTY69. ISOLDE. and all th rest of the people in this forum.
Oct 21st, 2011 - 02:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If the members from the l. a want to refute arguello's words, they must provide a link where people can see that what he says is false, however, if they dont do it, it's because per haps what he argues is not so false, of course that the financing of the hospital and the airport from the islands is not my business, i am just giving an opinion, sorry if some of you dont like it, like i said before, words are taken by the wind, the most important are the prooves, that's why we must be more intelligent to not to believe the lies or the so partial information that most politicians give usually.
Respecting the issue of the sovereignty, unfortunatelly some of you show to be as myopic as many politicians, i recognize that in the past there were negotiations for diferent issues, but the conflict for the sovereignty, which is the main problem that we have with u. k., was never accepted to be treated by the u. k. and by the l. a from the islands, you can't ignore that the sovereign dispute must be discussed, nor argentina nor the u. n. are asking the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, all the resolutions only call both nations to resume the negotiations, and the solution for this conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders, as long as you dont understand it, we are going to keep o having problems, and dont blame only my country for the actual scenario of the dispute, because actually both nations are not acting correctly.
I like the way that government defends the rights of argentina in some aspects, but it doesen't do anything to try to build a better relation with the islanders, if c. f. k wins on sunday, i hope it changes this fact, because i really dont like aggree on it.
Axel #96,
Oct 21st, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it is sufficient in many cases - including this one - for a poster to say, simply, “I *know* this to be wrong.”
Some things are just SO self-evident that links and references are totally superfluous.
The fact is, Argüello should have made himself fully informed before making a fool of himself, as ALL the evidence cortrary to his statements are in the public domain. It is possible that he has never learned how to use a computer or access the internet.
“all the resolutions only call both nations to resume the negotiations”
Oct 21st, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ineed they do. They do not say negotiations over sovereignty. Our government has been cooperative in negotiations we just refuse to negotiate sovereignty.
“and the solution for this conflict can't depend only on the wishes of the islanders,”
You're wrong.
nor argentina nor the u. n. are asking the u. k. to transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina,
Oct 21st, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 096 axel arg , you say one should provide a link,
please can you provide a link that shows ARGENTINA does not want or asking for the British goverment to transfer Sovereignty to argentina.
thank you
Whatever we do here does not concern Argentina or Arguello?
Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lts none of your business. As the Americans say, butt-out.
Geoff, how do you make that u with the two dots on top?
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pgb9whppzzspdq2/Budget%20Book%202010-11.pdf
Oct 21st, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There you go Think. Read em' and weep.
@ M_of_FI
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0that should keep Think quite for a bit, BTW the stamps are a nice little earner :-)
@ 101 Isolde, the umlaut ü?
Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0On a mac just hold down the option key and the 'U' key ... release and then type a u .... if using pc then google it ...
I only just found that out.....
Argüello has made himself look stupid hasn't he ...as has Thicko... at least the rest of out favourite RGs had the sense to keep quiet.....
Fishing even nicer little earner 12,557,690
Oct 21st, 2011 - 11:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it will lead to the emigration to Argentina or South America,
I dont think so :-)))))
Axel,
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0As an academic, you should know that the onus is actually on Arguello to provide evidence to prove his extraordinary and frankly ludicrous claims. It is not required that evidence is provided to prove him wrong, though I note someone has done so.
You see so many claims from Argentina for which the evidence is lacking or non-existant, often in fact the historical evidence is flatly contradictory.
Ah, Arguello is a typical Argentino. Just try to transform that last word, and you get only this one with those letters: ignorante!!
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
ZETHE. BRITON. JUSTINKUNTZ.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think that arguello should provide evidences too about what he says, he explained the bases of hes arguments in the other article, but maybe he should be more specific, respecting what the l. a from the islands must do, i already explained what i think about it.
Regarding what c. f. k. said before the u. n., where she affirmed that argentina is not asking the u. k. resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty, there was an article in this web site the day after that she spoke in the u. n., i will try to remember the day, and i will writte you tomorrow.
On the othe hand, i will always insist that you can't ignore that the main problem is sovereignty of the islands, you can' t be so myopic, if that's not the most important issue, then ¿why do you think that you and us go every year to the decolonization committee?, it must be discussed some day.
Respecting the historic analysis, i only can say that the history will always be open to diferent interpretations, they are all respectable, when i made my investigation i didnt have the intention of showing that i was going to tell the true history of the conflict, i only made an exhaustive survey, but my interpretation will be open to diferent postures, like all the investigations, no one is the owner the truth, anyway, beyond our interpretations, the resolutions from the u. n. must be respected and the negotiations should be resumed and find once and for all a fair solution, that solution can't benefit only the islanders, or only us, it must benefit both, that's what a fair solution and a negotiation is about, but it seems that some of you dont understand it.
Oh dear. axel's back. I thought he'd died.
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hi axel. Having worked my way through your illiterate ramblings, I thought I'd comment on some of your more esoteric inexactitudes.
Starting @85 why should FIG put anything online to disprove Arguello's words? It's up to him to prove what he says is true. No-one except Argentines care what he says. There is no reason for the Islands or the UK to go to the ICJ. The Falklands and the UK have no doubts over their nationality, their rights or their sovereignty. The only people “claiming” otherwise is Argentina. The ball's in your court. The Falklands and the UK have no need to “negotiate” anything. As you have been told innumerable times, UNGA resolutions are non-binding. And your constitution is a considerable stumbling block.
@96 The sovereignty issue does not have to be discussed. There is nothing to discuss. The Falkland Islanders don't want have anything to do with Argentina except, possibly, suitable trade. The UK supports the Islanders. Subject is closed.
@107 Actually, you go to the decolonisation committee every year. And every year the Falklands turns up to tell the committee that they are not going to discuss what you want to discuss.
I notice that, in respect of your survey, you never published a link to it. But it's nice to see you admit that you never intended to tell the true history. I made my point on UNGA resolutions. So the UNGA, C24 and Argentina can go whistle. We have a perfectly fair solution already. The Islanders are on the Islands and are British citizens. The Falkland Islands are a British Overseas Territory. Britain is the sovereign power. So that takes care of all the people of importance.
But I have now realised why you Argies come out with so much drivel. It's because of your basic feelings of inadequacy. You shouldn't be concerned. It's only natural. You are inadequate. Bye bye. Don't bother us again.
108 we need nothing but nothing to trade with you...we have a lot of trade with our neighbours
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and again uk bothering in our region, when they should playing these games in the north atlantic where they belong, playing divide and conquer as usual
www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/11/2008.htm
its the teamwork south 2011
hope unasur can do sth to about this
#107
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As I said Axel, as it happens Arguello's remarks have been proven false. The onus was upon him to provide evidence. So why are you supporting his position now its proven untenable.
Again despite laws and UN resolutions,
Oct 22nd, 2011 - 07:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It still comes down to what you believe in, as we know , some countries ignore the rules and regulations, for what ever reason, with the Falklands, the out come is much more simple, in law,
They want to remain British, [end of] so why is it not that easy to implement this, the reason is of course Argentina and her encore, who refuses point blank to except the freedom of right or choice, of islanders to choose who they wish to be associated with, for only a self serving , indoctrinated state would deny others to whom they seek themselves, namely the right to be independent ,, who then , is this backward Argentina, who demanded and got its independence,
Who demanded and got its freedom and rights, who is this country who demands to be heard, Only then to deny the Falkland islanders the same as they demanded and got,
Is it a civilised and mature country that allows freedom of choice?
Or a disguised dictatorship who pretends one thing, then destroys everything to suit themselves,
The Falklands island people have the right to decide their future, and great Britain will support and back up that right, argentine on the other hand, can either except that right, and make a new start and be friends, or they can oppose that right, and install their own dictatorship upon them,
But to do this, they must either fight for them, or just continue the program their leader has now set in place, and just talk, then more talk, - now today, it matters not what you Argies think,
For you are committed to talk and only talk, so in fact your constitution over the Falklands, is now all but invalid, as you can no longer enforce it, she has in effect over ridden this in favour of talking,
So that’s the future then, the Falklands remains British, and the talking remains Argentinean .
Just a thought .
.
THE BRITISH PAY ALL THE PIRATES TO LIVE IN THESE ISLANDS AND THEY MAKE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANY OF THEM TO TRAVEL TO ARGENTINA TO BE REBIRTH ARGENTINE.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0ONLY ONE MAN ESCAPE JAMES PECK, HE IS A HERO, PATRIOT AND ARGENTINIAN, UNLIKE HIS FATHER WHO WAS A TRAITOR FOR THE BRITISH IN MALVINAS WAR HE WON MEDAL AND BECAME A SO CALLED HERO. HE WILL BE ROLLING IN HIS GRAVE< KNOWING HOW PATROITIC HIS SON IS TO HIS COUNTRY.
IT IS TIME TO BE RE BIRTHED ARGENTINE PIRATES OR GO HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, flippers, nice to see that some things never change.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 06:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're still an idiot.
“she affirmed that argentina is not asking the u. k. resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty”
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 08:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK has and is willing to discuss issues other than sovereignty. Argentina is not. Explain, please what CFK would like to discuss other than sovereignty? Fisherys? Air links? Trade? You keep stating that she doesn't want to discuss sovereignty when that's clearly a fat lie. Argentina want's sovereignty. Argentina wants to discuss sovereignty. Fact.
“that solution can't benefit only the islanders”
You're wrong.
“Respecting the historic analysis”
History is history. What happened 200 years ago does not matter or change human rights.
108 Conqueror: I could e-mail you it if you'd like. It's completely about peoples opinions with about two lines on human rights half way through. He likes to conveniently ignore human rights because Axel knows it's the reason Argentina will never get the islands.
malen: The fact that you not only read that website but feel confident enough to post a story from it on here shows you are an individual with limited intelligence at best. That website is a bad joke. They still claiming we started the war? Still claiming that you sunk the invincible?
that page is excellent and of veterans I respect so much
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 09:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0if you dont believe what they post here you have a nice photo of that teamwork south facts
www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=1414211
Im, yes as you say, very confident of posting a story from “el malvinense” as you see. MP instead is not posting. and you can see our diputados will make un repudio o cuestionamiento. facts.
that page is excellent and of veterans I respect so much
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pity they didnt put as much effort in in fighting for the Falklands
109 malen
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0He didn't say you needed to trade with us.
He said that we would like to trade with you.
Why don't you just remove that great big ex- colony 'western imperialists go home' chip from your shoulder and start living in the real world? It's pathetic.
(117) Monty96
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say to Malen:
”Why don't you just remove that great big ex- colony 'western imperialists go home' chip from your shoulder and start living in the real world? It's pathetic.”
I say:
Well that’s quite difficult “chip to remove” when we have a situation where that “great big ex- colonial power”, the United Kingdom, is trying to apply its old “western imperialistic ways” in the South Atlantic, claiming ~12.000.000 square miles of other peoples territories, using as their only excuse the self-proclaimed self-determination rights of some 3,000 implanted British squatters.
That’s beyond pathetic…….
Ah the El Malvinense nutters. Few are “verterans”, though they like to wrap themselves up in the flag. Their favourite hero is Seineldin, a legend in his mind, who tried a military coup after the restoration of democracy. Also a man who lauds shooting soldiers in the back after they go forward to accepta a surrender.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lie down with dogs you get fleas
in the South Atlantic, claiming ~12.000.000 square miles of other peoples territories,
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the other peoples “territories” would be Argentina's I would hazard a guess
Show us the way Think lobby your goverment to give back
Isla Martín García an Argentine island off the Río de la Plata coast of Uruguay. The enclave island is within the boundaries of Uruguayan waters
malen: I didn't read the story. That website sports many, many lies so woulldn't trust anything on it.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Imperialistic?
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is life in the former Spanish Empire?
On the one hand, Argentina claimed its independence from Spain but the Falkland Islanders are not allowed to do the same?
Because of Argentina's use of irredentist claims to “unite” its people by claiming they're threatened by 3,000 people of predominantly British descent over 300 miles off their coast.
If anything is pathetic thats it, more hypocritical than pathetic I grant you but pathetic all the same.
121 if you dont read, then dont make silly comments
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0others resources perhaps you like most of the same
www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/elpais/1-178893-2011-10-14.html
www.publimetro.cl/nota/mundo/diputado-argentino-repudia-abastecimiento-chileno-a-buques-ingleses/CPIkjs!IbcIplgkzYGNZFZokfZ1g/ (so much letters the link!, hope it functions if not google)
Ah, good old dependable Think & malen. Who would we have to argue with if those two were not here?
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Both talk out of their bums but entertaining l suppose in a way.
What's it feel like folks, knowing that the Falklands will never be yours?
Well they never have belonged to you so l don't see why we should humour you now.
l don't think malen knows any better but Think is just telling lies.
you have fun with us Isolda.......nice that we agree on sth, because
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0I also find yours comments so similarly laughable
specially Mr Zezé it seems he doesnt like much the links I post so dillegently for him.....sth more to say Zezé ?? Its not true?? It was part of “el malvinense” or mine imagination the teamwork and the repudio???
CONQUEROR. ZETHE.
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 01:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0CONQUEROR: Your analysis can't be more contradictory, if you say that the u. k. doesen't need to propse to take the question of the islands to teh arbitration, because it's sure of it's rights, you should jnow that in 1947, the u. k. suggested argentina that it would accept to take the question of the dependencies to the corut, but it didn't do the same ofr the malvins cause, ¿do you thibk that the u.k wasen't sure if it's soposed rights on the soth georga and sandwich?, if none of the two nations decides to give that step, it'a because maybe both are not so sure that their cases are goign to triunph, sorry if you can realised of it.
Of you want my survey, i can send it to you.
Writte me to investigationmalvinas@hotmail.com.ar
ZETHE: You forgat to tell conqueror that what you call opinions, respecting what i incorportaed in my survey, belong to professors of international right, and functionaries from both nations, beside, the opinions are very contrary, i didn't includ only analysis that benefits argentina. On the other hand, i said too that the islanders must be included in the negotiation.
Of course that argentina wants to discuss about the sovereignty, because that's the main problem, you can't be so myopic to ignore it. But what c. f. k. manifested is that our country is disposed to find a fair solution for it, because the u. n. never affirmed that u. k. should transfer the sovereignty to argentina, all the resolutions only called the two countries to resume the negotiations, and some day, it will have to be discussed.
“specially Mr Zezé it seems he doesnt like much the links I post so dillegently for him.....sth more to say Zezé ?? Its not true??”
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Like i've said i've not read it. The one time i went on that website it claimed that Argentina sunk the invincible and that we started the war.
The story may be correct, My point was that by using a website that clearly posts stuff that is not true you lose your credibility.
“where she affirmed that argentina is not asking the u. k. resume the negotiations under the recognizement of the sovereignty, ”
“Of course that argentina wants to discuss about the sovereignty”
Which one is it Axel? Can't be both.
You keep skirting the question. What apart from sovereignty does Argentina wish to discuss? We have always been open(like the UK asks) to discuss anything regarding the islands apart from sovereignty.
“and some day, it will have to be discussed.”
No, it won't. Not unless Argentina takes it to the ICJ in which case the islanders will win.
Either way, Argentina looses.
RE: my note 106
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Arguello is, no doubt, one of those “hyphenated” Argentineans who don't know a thing about the Falkland Islands, but just the same would parrot any nonsense about those freest of Islands!
That is why, I WISH TO CALL TO YOUR ATTENTION about the following:
The word ARGENTINO curiously enough has the same letters and the same number of these than the word IGNORANTE. So if you redistribute the word ARGENTINO, bingo, you get the word IGNORANTE. No kidding!
So, argentino can mean ignorante, and ignorante can mean argentino!
I thought of this, as I was reading Mr. Arguello's silly fabrications.
Philippe
Monsieur Zezé
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The history may be correct” .......
Le histoire est correcte. Sil vous plaît, lisez.
www.ambafrance-cl.org/spip.php?article2871
Au revoir
118 Think
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0''the United Kingdom, is trying to apply its old “western imperialistic ways” in the South Atlantic,''
No, it isn't. It wasn't true last time you said it, and it still isn't true. And it won't become true because you keep saying it.
'Britain' isn't doing anything.
(130) Monty96
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Britain' isn't doing anything”..... you say.
Again, you show a remarkable capacity to forget!
Aren’t you forgetting the Islas Georgias del Sur?
Aren’t you forgetting the Sándwich del Sur?
Aren’t you forgetting the Antarctic?
All administered, run and “defended” by the British from Malvinas.
Se taire Britain and go home :-)
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 07:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sunday 23 October 2011
Nicolas Sarkozy tells David Cameron: 'We’re sick of you telling us what to do'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8844773/Nicolas-Sarkozy-tells-David-Cameron-Were-sick-of-you-telling-us-what-to-do.html
and we are sick of giving these euro coruptors millions of british taxpayers money,
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
marco, very quick,
the facts are we dont want them
they dont want us,
but the goverments are to far up ones xxxx .
but this has little to do with the british falklands,
or argentina teritorial ambitions .
Were you planning to share the French carrier?
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 07:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Au revoir to that.
a carrier [bag] perhaps,
Oct 23rd, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if our goverment had its way, we would be sharing guns ships planes tanks
it wouldent work, training is ok thats fine, but thats about all.
mmmmmmmmm
ZETHE.
Oct 24th, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0If none of the two countries proposes to take the question to the court, it's because both are not sure that their cases are going to win, you should realise of it once and for all.
In the same way that u. n never said that the u. k. should transfer the sovereignty of the islands to argentina, it neather never affirmed that the negotiations for the sovereignty must be resumed only if the islanders wish it, that's no more than a pathetic excuse of the u. k. and from the l. a from the islands, to reject the negotiations.
If in 1947 the u. k. suggested that it would accept to take the question for the dependencies to the court, it should do the same now with dispute for the malvinas-falkland islands, however none of the parts did it yet. That's why i say that if they are not going to give that step, both should resume the negotiations and find a fair solution, the application of self determination, only benefits the islanders, and only a judgement from the i. c. j can affirm if that right is really applicable for this cause.
The problem is that the u. k. and the l. a dont want any fair solution respecting the sovereignty, and as long as you all dont understand that the solution must benefits the three parts, we are going to keep on having more problems.
You can't negotiate just what you want, the main problem is the sovereignty, and it will have to be discussed some day.
132 Marcos Alejandro
Oct 24th, 2011 - 01:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0More insulting negative comments from the mouths of brain dead morons!
Do you people have a life outside of dreaming of the Falkland Islands. When you masturbate do you have a picture of sheep, penguins and an outline of the Falklands in your hands?
I would like to rip your ****ing heads off and stick them where your brains are.
No one in the UK (infact very few in Europe) give two ****s for the EU. Imagine a map of Europe dominated by a supreme Soviet... got the image? Well that's the EU! We live with it only because any country outside of its system ends in bloody civil war... manipulated by external actors. It's a monstrosity, a falsely created Empire for bureaucrats unable to make a living in the real world. It's political design is based on Communist China, corporations pulling the strings of a central government bureaucracy, pandering to their financial interests. The result of mother**** of of all corporate SWOT and PESTLE analysis's!
You fascists should look at the EU and dream.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Oct 24th, 2011 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0“I would like to rip your ****ing heads off and stick them where your brains are.”
Oct 24th, 2011 - 03:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0That could be a motto for an anti-fascist party, haha.
Marcos,
Oct 24th, 2011 - 06:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the most intelligent thing you have said here!
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
@136Axel,
Go back to sleep, Axel. Dream deeply of the Falklands. Thats all you have Axel.................dreams.
@125 malen,
What is life without fun, Malena? lf you really did some research & put aside all the lies that you were taught at school, you would realise that your country has absolutely no valid claims to the Falkland lslands. Broaden your mind & accept the truth.
l would be interested to know why YOU think that Argentina claims South Georgia, the South Sandwich lslands & Antarctica.
With some research you will find that we were there first & there has NEVER been an Argentine presence in those territories.
l asked sr Think & he gave me the answer-“because we want them”!
What is YOUR PERSONAL reason.
I shall not be responding to ANY of Anti-Fascist's points of view
Oct 24th, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0- even the sometimes-sound argument -
because he/she used such a foul style that I, personally, find it demeaning, embarrasing, and downright rude.
When, like XBox, he produces 'a lighter touch' I will respond to his light-touch articles.
as we all know that argentina hates the british empire, or whats left,
Oct 24th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0always moaning abt the falklands ect ect .
can anyone tell us what are the total Argentine claimes on land, out side of argentine boarders,
including what they already obtained, and including the antarctic,
it would be interesting to see it all,
and show us, just what tritorial ambitions she has,
and just how big of an empire argentina would have,, rather than condemming us, yet hiding her own ambitions .
just a thought .
@142 briton,
Oct 25th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0l think that they would like to double their present size!
At the expense of Britain, the Falklands & Chile at least.
they always go quiet when they are in the wrong,
Oct 25th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Well malen, l am waiting for your reasons. Can you be swift?
Oct 26th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I Fear our malen
Oct 26th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Has and will take to tortoise route,
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