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European leaders call on Libyans to build a strong and democratic future

Thursday, October 20th 2011 - 21:09 UTC
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French President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Thursday that the death of Muammar Gaddafi turned a page for the Libyan people and signalled the start of a democratic process. Read full article

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  • malen

    In name of democracy freedom human rights 50.000 people died in Libya including this dictator since NATO invation. Very cruel the way it was showed his dead on TV. Its the law of la selva, not of rationality or of peaceful. I dont see a pacificate Libya, no no.
    Really the world in hands of these power countries its a disgusting subject, how they manage to do what they want, no matter the ways.
    We have had dictators (that violated human rights), we have judged them under law, we have put them on jail. I prefer that countries resolve their conflicts by themselves, with no interferences of foreigners ones, and the justice of the third world, its much more better at least for me, than the cruelty I saw through 8 months. This death wont bring peace.
    And the hypocrisy of those that received and sold arms to this dictator knowing who he was and then sent the rebels to kill him it is a shame. Double speech all the time. A bad example of how to resolve conflicts. And a way to stay there for 2 or 3 years with a muppet government, stealing. Meanwhile these countries are suffering an economical crisis they cant resolve, they make meetings, they are going to save greece or not, indignados marchs everywhere, dont know whether to continue with the euro, and dont know what to do. And the UN in front of this is a shame. I would like to know if they are sending veedores to see if human rights are being violated by rebels.

    Oct 20th, 2011 - 10:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, when visiting Lybia, said during a press conference, that she and Gaddafi are the same kind of people.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    My deepest condolences to Tony Blair, his very special adviser, for the dead of his best friend and boss Gaddafi.
    Gaddafi should've known that Mr Blair ran England into the ground.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1284132/Tony-Blair-special-adviser-dictator-Gaddafis-son.html#ixzz1bNzPZCAa

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 04:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zool

    Marcos it was Tony Blair that convinced Gaddafi to surrender his weapons of Mass destruction. Blair may have been an arsehole but at least he got one thing right. Without his chemical & biological weapons Gadhafi was unable to suppress the rebellion.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 09:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    In name of democracy freedom human rights 50.000 people died in Libya

    ?
    http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/16/was-libyas-death-toll-a-dramatic-overstatement/
    Yet in the country’s morgues, the war dead registered from both sides in each area so far are mostly in the hundreds, not the thousands. And those who are still missing total as few as 1,000, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Those figures may be incomplete, but even if the missing number proves to be three times as high, and all are dead, the toll would be far short of official casualty totals.

    http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/16/was-libyas-death-toll-a-dramatic-overstatement/

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 09:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marcos - looks like I was right all along and once again you were wrong. The dictator has not just fallen he has died of acute lead poisoning.

    I would suggest you examine all the facts and probabilities before you make another prediction. Eventually you may avoid making yourself look like a Muppet.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    www.dailymail.co.uk/article-1361638/Libya-Tony-Blairs-dodgy-deal-arm-Gaddafi-leaked-paper-shows.html
    And Liberated Libya: not offence, its just business
    http://rt.com/news/libya-gaddafi-nato-business-371/
    Its ridiculous seen this presidents saying they do this for peace, and democracy and freedom..so much of others blood(violation of human rights openly its that), for money their own money.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    another dictorial friend of argentina bites the dust,
    who is next,
    for they who try to take what is not theirs,
    will surley end up in the same place .

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    I prefer that countries resolve their conflicts by themselves, with no interferences of foreigners ones,

    In July the U.S. government accused Argentina of aiding the Axis powers. Finally, on March 27, 1945, when Allied victory in Europe was assured, the country declared war on Germany and Japan

    1991: Argentine Navy ships and Air Force transport aircraft participated in the 1991 Gulf War. Argentina was the only Latin American country in the coalition

    And a way to stay there for 2 or 3 years with a muppet government,

    Since then, however, Beijing has courted Libyan rebels by hosting their leaders and sending envoys for talks

    The Libyan embassy in Argentina has recognized the rebel National Transitional Council as the legitimate authority in the North African country, officials said Tuesday.

    Embassy spokesperson Norma Nur said the embassy had replaced the green flag of Libya's embattled leader Moammar Qaddafi with the rebels' green, black and red tri-color.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    what happens I post “dail mail” in the first link and appears “mail online” I didnt post
    the first link you can google and has nothing to do with what appears on MP.......strange isnt it?

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 12:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    very strange,
    better inform geo.
    he has an interest in the strange .

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 01:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    4 Zool, Gaddafi did not surrender his chemical weapons, and I hope they find all those missing rockets before passenger planes beging to fall out the sky everywhere.

    Beef, The American Predator and French Mirage bombed his convoy leading to to his capture and killing by the Libyans themselves.
    Where were the English/British?
    Watching the cricket game England vs India

    Congratulations to the Libyan people for making justice with this dictator.
    Is Tony Blair going to the funeral?

    British comment
    ”That Cameron can say he is proud speaks volumes of the man. He is no better than Tony Blair.

    If Libya's principal export was broccoli and not the finest sweet crude Gaddafi would still be in power. Its when our so called politicians go on TV and pretend that they give a ---- about the Libyan peoples liberty and human rights.....what a load of horse manure they don't give a toss about their own people never mind Libyans.

    The hypocrisy is nauseating !!

    Don't be so naive Beef.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zool

    Gaddafi was supposed to have destroyed his entire stockpile of chemical weapons in early 2004, Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) verified that Libya had owned a stockpile of 23 metric tons of mustard gas and more than 1,300 metric tons of precursor chemical. But it looks like he kept hold of 9.5 tonnes of mustard gas at a secret location which is now under rebel control.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 03:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Tony Blair is a war criminal, we all know that, Gaddafi is dead now and there's nothing you can do about it, unless you find tony blair walking in the street and do something... but who are the rebels?

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    If Libya's principal export was broccoli and not the finest sweet crude Gaddafi would still be in power

    Not that old chestnut!!!!

    This was a war for Libya’s oil. That is daft. Libya was already integrated into the international oil markets, and had done billions of deals with BP, ENI, etc., etc. None of those companies would have wanted to endanger their contracts by getting rid of the ruler who had signed them. They had often already had the trauma of having to compete for post-war Iraqi contracts, a process in which many did less well than they would have liked. ENI’s profits were hurt by the Libyan revolution, as were those of Total SA. and Repsol. Moreover, taking Libyan oil off the market through a NATO military intervention could have been foreseen to put up oil prices, which no Western elected leader would have wanted to see, especially Barack Obama, with the danger that a spike in energy prices could prolong the economic doldrums. An economic argument for imperialism is fine if it makes sense, but this one does not, and there is no good evidence for it (that Qaddafi was erratic is not enough), and is therefore just a conspiracy theory.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 14 xbox

    your this comment confused me !!

    really ,do you believe Qaddafi is dead ??

    i remember your comment which said all Qaddafi videos are fake !!

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marcos - broccoli is high in selenium, certainly worth fighting for. I didn't see an solidarity to the NTC from your bunch of self interested socialists?

    Why do you always bat for the losing team Marcos? (a cricket pun there for you dimwit)!

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 06:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Why do you always bat for the losing team Marcos

    Yep batting for the other side ;-)

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 15 sticker

    Libya's oil export by recipient countries are ;
    Italy : 28%....France : 15 % ....China : 11%....Germany : 10 % .....
    Spain : 10 % ....Greece : 5% ...UK : 4 % ....USA : 3 % ........

    --------------

    UK's daily oil consumption is ~ 1.6 billion barrel ( No: 15 /World)

    UK's oil imports from Libya is ~ 90.000 barrels/day.

    UK's import dependence on Libya Oil of total local consumption : 3 %

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Geo - they are old numbers! Things dropped of the edge of a cliff when the bullets started flying.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    UK's daily oil consumption is ~ 1.6 billion barrel

    Yes, are your sure :-)))))))

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** 20 beef

    these numbers are from December 2010 ..!!

    the numbers shows us that recent Libya events are not
    related to US/UK interests ...... wait & see !!

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo2

    ** 21 stick

    pardon ! UK 1.6 millions barrel/day

    the world list of daily oil consumptions : 2009/2010

    millon barrel/day

    USA : 18 ...China : 8.5 ...Japan : 4 ...India 3.5 ...Russia 3 ...Brasil : 2.5
    Germany : 2.5 ...Saudi Arabia : 2.4 ....Korea : 2.1 ....Canada : 2.1 ....
    Mexico : 2 ...France : 1.9 ....Iran : 1.6 .....UK : 1.6 ....Italy : 1.5 .............

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    these numbers are of the oil reserves of African countries ,

    billions barrel ../2011

    Libya : 46.4 .... Nigeria : 37.2 ..... Algeria : 12.2 ....
    Angola : 9.5 ......Sudan : 5 .....Egypt : 4.4 ......

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo2

    these are World oil reserves by region : 2010

    Middle East : 57 % .... North America : 15 % .... Africa : 9 %.....
    South/Middle America : 8 % ... Eurasia : 7 % ... Asia : 3% ..Europe:1%..

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Geo - Dec 2010 was an eon ago with regards to Libya.

    There is plenty more oil waiting to be found!!!! We know where some of it is!

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 09:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Beef, Nice to see that you recognize that oil was the reason.
    You asked for help to the Americans when you could not do the job yourself.
    Big mistake, Tony Bliar lost his best friend and the Americans push their annoying barking chihuahua(UK) to the side.
    Hillary visited Tripoli hours before they got Gadaffi, now the best deals are theirs.

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    to comment 15 costilla stick
    you dont know well your country or the bbc is your only news agency tv programme you have by cable
    i have bbc in cable, but fortunatelly more 200 others channels too
    http://mathaba.net/news/?x=629037
    and it came from long this matter when Khadafi decided to nationalize the oil and gas for the benefit of its own people in 1969
    www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/opinion-libya-and-imperialism-4298/
    if there are problem with links please google the first is too long but too british you would like it

    Oct 21st, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit86

    http://www.iwallerstein.com/great-libyan-distraction/

    http://www.iwallerstein.com/great-libyan-distraction/

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    Marcos - it was a NATO opperation, meaning all NATO members had a roll to play. France took the leading roll like te UK did in Kosovo (perhaps why you refuse to recognise the self-determination of the Kosovans despite the ICJ ruling.

    It is nice to have such close allies. We all work together and act as one. Pity your allies don't act with you.

    Still, you were wrong and Beef was right. Not man enough to admit it?

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “You asked for help to the Americans when you could not do the job yourself.”

    We never tried to do the job by our selves. Im not sure if you know but NATO is an alliance.

    UK and France taking the leading roles with US supporting.. other countrys such as Italy, Germany, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Norway, Qatar, Spain and many others also helping.

    “Hillary visited Tripoli hours before they got Gadaffi, now the best deals are theirs.”

    “The NTC has said it will not sign any new contracts until after elections, likely to take place next year.”

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 09:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** Beef

    don't forget that you wouldn't do Iraq/Afghanistan operations
    if China/Russia were not ok. !!
    Iraq invasion is not related to oil. !!

    Libya operation is mixed France/Italy operation. !! Nato is for show !!

    you must interpret above numbers more seriously and
    you must accept that UK doesn't have any functionaire power
    even on oil reserves,becouse has no powerful industrial sectors compete.

    here is the evidence from UK reality; in July 2011 numbers;
    percantage shares of UK crude oil imports;
    Middle East : 2 % .... Western Hemisphare : 8 % ..... Africa : 7 %.....
    Norway : 65 % .....Others : 18 %.
    Source : UK Government sources.

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Beef

    We may not have huge amounts of heavy industry Geo but we have a financial centre that the whole world wants to work with and a vibrant University sector that is arguably the most attractive in the world.

    North Sea oil & gas is a bonus.

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    ** Beef

    of course the UK economy based on finacial & real estate industrials.

    i don't guess the UK universities (job sector) are highly competent
    becouse they don't have airy rooms, don't give facilities as friend lovings,
    gambling visitings,flashy books,sport activities..like American ones.
    who cares to seriousness of the education.

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    i would like some day to be able to understand how high development educated competent people of development countries arent able to protest against the tyrany of the wars they provoque....massive protests should be
    lot of development, but no life respect..for the innocent people, the common people that has nothing to do with these interests and business.
    buy the oil.
    and the Uk again in SAm..... are participating of Teamworksouth 2011 with Chile and France
    www.malvinense.com.ar/smalvi/11/2008.html

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Brits NATO is not just an alliance, NATO is USA, that's the reality.

    The way Gaddafi's was killed raises questions for the militias that make up the new Libya, don't you think?

    And now the VULTURES descend...

    “British executives should be ”packing their suitcases“ and heading to Libya to win contracts following the death of Muammar Gaddafi, the defence secretary has said”(Philip Hammond)
    “Now that campaign is over, of course I would expect British companies to be, even today, British sales directors, practically packing their suitcases and looking to get out to Libya and take part in the reconstruction of that company as soon as they can,” Mr Hammond told BBC Radio Four.
    British officials say they are concerned that companies from other European countries, especially France and Italy, are lobbying aggressively for deals in post-Gaddafi Libya.”
    I love the comments:
    You mean Britain mercilessly bombed Libya, and now wants to make money out of it?
    Aha. The truth behind the questionable war on Libya emerges. First: destroy the country's infrastructure; next, after victory, get contracts for the reconstruction. Did someone say thousands of innocent civilians have been killed and maimed in the war?
    So that's what it was all about

    And I thought it was all about freedom for the people of Libya

    Silly me

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8841923/Gaddafis-death-British-businessmen-should-be-heading-to-Libya-for-contracts.html

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    And I thought it was all about freedom for the people of Libya
    Marcos Alejandro////it was, but you like others just read it the way you wish to read it.
    You started of ok, and then went anti British, down hill.
    As soon as you lot descend to anti British, your argument fails.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    NATO is America,, nearly right, America is abt 75% NATO the British take abt 10%
    And the rest follow on,, but you forget, NATO is like a train, no driver no motion,
    America will not act unitary except in an emergency without the rest o f NATO ,
    She tried this before and it back fired, please don’t get confused between NATO and USA,
    With NATO the usa acts with its allies, as America it act alone, America does not need NATO,
    As she is big enough to do things alone, but at this moment in time Europeans and others need NATO when it wants to act outside of Europe, the exception being the British on a limited scale,
    Feel free to correct me if im wrong .
    ,

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Briton, I don't have anything personal against the British, what I am against is the hypocritical policies of your past and present government around the globe and obviously the occupation of our islands.

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    Marcos Alejandro
    The past is the past, is it not,
    Only what you do today, can and will change your future,
    All Argentina has to do, is except that the Falkland islanders have a right to chose who it wants to be, if she can do this, she can move on, the British will slowly go home to the uk, the Falklands will become an independent nation in her own right, and Argentina can get on with her country’s problems and grow, 5/10 years from now, the ill feeling would be forgotten, in principle,
    All 3 nation will be very good friends, all 3 nations can share in things, and move on,
    That’s the future,,,,,,,,,,,,
    Or, carry on the way she is acting, and the next ten years will be the same as the last ten years and so on,
    A simple problem, yet so hard to implement with argentine aggression,
    Would you not agree .
    ,

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 08:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    36 Marcos Alejandro
    You mean Britain mercilessly bombed Libya, and now wants to make money out of it?

    12 Marcos Alejandro
    Beef, The American Predator and French Mirage bombed his convoy leading to to his capture and killing by the Libyans themselves.
    Where were the English/British?
    Watching the cricket game England vs Ind

    So whats it to be remedial boy?

    The way Gaddafi's was killed raises questions for the militias that make up the new Libya, don't you think?

    Didnt think you Liked him that much,still they might be granted amnesty like all officers from the “dirty war” era with the rank of colonel and below

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Britian choosed with NATO to invade Libya by YOUR OWN. nobody asked you, nobody invited you, nobody wanted you to do that. Africa Union was against and many countries didnt vote for this.
    You should repair FREELY all the damage you have caused to these people, you are always saying you are so humanitarian, helpful, democratic, altruists, really thinking always in others benefits above all, thats the main reason you invade and now you could help rebuild the country you destroy not asking any pay back. You are benfactors countries, so nice guys.
    The rebels couldnt have made this murder and civil war, without your help, logistical, political, militar, economical, you know it. So yes you are so responsible of the puppet council, not elected by civilians, you put and all the ilegal actions they commit. Because you back them and say they are better than Khadafy, the dictator and opressor you helped and persecute and took of power.
    dont change history, we have judge officials too and second mands too and many times many militars. We did justice under law, nor justicia por mano propia as you do.
    sorry marcos to reply this guy.

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Britian choosed with NATO to invade Libya by YOUR OWN. nobody asked you, nobody invited you, nobody wanted you to do that.

    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_71652.htm
    Since March 24, an unprecedented coalition of NATO Allies and non-NATO contributors having been protecting civilians under threat of attack in Libya, enforcing an arms embargo and maintaining a no-fly zone. As NATO Secretary General Rasmussen explained, under ''Operation Unified Protector,'' NATO is doing ''nothing more, nothing less'' than meeting its mandates under United Nations Security Council resolutions. No NATO ground troops have participated in the operation – NATO’s success to date has been achieved solely with air and sea assets.

    Africa Union was against
    Libya war: African Union recognises NTC as leaders
    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_71652.htm

    thats the main reason you invade

    1.(v) march aggressively into another's territory by military force for the purposes of conquest and occupation

    So yes you are so responsible of the puppet council, not elected by civilians
    On September 1, 1969, a small group of military officers led by Gaddafi staged a bloodless coup d'état against King Idris I, while he was in Kammena Vourla, a Greek resort, for medical treatment.

    After seizing power in 1969, he abolished the Libyan Constitution of 1951.

    responsible of the puppet council
    Factbox: Countries that recognize Libyan rebel council

    http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/topics_71652.htm

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 10:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    Here you have, the north atlantic terrorist organization, deciding every country by THEIR OWN, who voted on favour, who absteined (germany, india, brasil, russia and someone else).
    And the manage of this security council is being very questioned since many of theirs decissions in pro of human civilians are always on pro their own interests and not humanitarian at all. Results of killing innocents at your sight (google them)
    www.mathaba.net/news/?x=626232
    I dont care whether you put a foot on Libya or not, it was an invasion organized by NATO and you supported rebels that participated on a civil war, and theres evidence of that too.
    Really couldnt care less who recoignizes the TNC or rebel council, once since things are upside down you cant do much. I do care who put them there and in what way and what they are doing. Not peaceful, not democratic, violent, murders, no law, and began making business with the supporters of this war (already posted, read again if you want)
    and worst of all violating human rights the same way the other did in fact worst. Khadafy was not good but you are worst.
    Too much mental dissociation in development countries to think peace can be get with arms & killing.

    Oct 22nd, 2011 - 11:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    and someone else

    Well researched :-))))

    you supported rebels that participated on a civil war,
    Not peaceful, not democratic, violent, murders, no law,

    Although rebel Argentine forces fought several small battles with Spanish forces, most of their efforts went towards fighting larger Spanish garrisons in Peru and Bolivia.

    and worst of all violating human rights
    Human Rights Reports: Argentina
    http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2009/wha/136098.htm

    human rights problems were reported: killings and use of excessive force by police or security forces; police and prison guard abuse and alleged torture of suspects and prisoners; overcrowded and substandard prison and jail conditions; occasional arbitrary arrest and detention; prolonged pretrial detention; continued weak judicial independence; official corruption; domestic violence against women; child abuse; trafficking in persons for sexual and labor exploitation, primarily within the country; and child labor.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Zethee

    “nobody asked you, nobody invited you, nobody wanted you to do that”

    Nobody apart from the only people who matter. The LIBYANS.

    “The rebels couldnt have made this murder and civil war, without your help”

    You're right, Those naughty rebels. Why couldn't they just be mass murdered in silence. Damn them.

    “So yes you are so responsible of the puppet council, not elected by civilians”

    Because gadaffi was voted in? No, he wasn't. This “puppet” government IS going to be holding elections. NATO gave the country Democracy. Fact.

    “who voted on favour, who absteined (germany, india, brasil, russia ”

    Could you please explain how india brazil and russa came to have a vote in NATO given the fact that they aren't a part of NATO.

    “Not peaceful, not democratic, violent, murders, no law,”

    Are you talking about the rebels or Gadaffi?

    You support Gadaffi?

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    for you bife de costilla (costilla steak)
    if you want research www.mathaba.net there you can research everything you like of Libya and the atrocities commited by NATO.
    2) rebel arg forces fought battles with spanish forces.........and?? arg wars of independence against a foreigner country that subjugated us??the problem what is??
    changing subject for what??
    3) UK also has reports of UN about human rights violation and??
    make your own research
    4) and tell me sth please it is muppet ot puppet?? whats the difference for me its the same

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    rebel arg forces fought battles with spanish forces.........and?? arg wars of independence against a foreigner country that subjugated us??the problem what is??

    The problem is that you feel the libyans had no right to do as the argie rebels did,big slice of Argie Hypocrisy ?
    Montoneros, and the People's Revolutionary Army, terrorist or freedom fighters Malen?

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • geo

    you must diversify your information sources..

    in reality ,Libya is not a country where as we know type.
    there are 17 very powerful/full armied/autonomous tribes.
    they need always a powerful dictator to combine them.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    stick
    simple wars of independence arg vs spain in 1800
    in 1973 terrorism vs state terrorism (not a war). Spain doesnt exist in this part of history.
    these “argie rebels” pretended to take power but couldnt. you already know what happened to them and what happenend to the militar junta too.
    Libya, didnt ask for an invasion, and a external country made it. helped a faction over other, took a dictator of power (with whom they had been friends and sold him arms before) and put ap uppet government, with whom they will make lot of privilege business after they have destroyed all the country. Imperialism and colonization.
    you dont help nobody, you destry and kill more. an invasion is always the worst solution. people must resolve their own conflicts. you could have helped the african union instead of invade. election will be in 18 months, and it seems they can be very well mainpulated by you. the country is now completely destroyed in all senses.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Libya, didnt ask for an invasion
    And it didnt get one

    people must resolve their own conflicts

    Thats why Argentina took part in the first Gulf War?

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “Libya, didnt ask for an invasion”
    No, they didn't. And they didn't get one, They asked NATO for a no fly zone, which they got.

    Do some research before posting? You might not look so silly.

    “the country is now completely destroyed in all senses.”

    Yeah, Democracy is such a horrible thing we've forced upon them.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    democracy zezé ??
    others think different
    www.africanews.com/site/OPINION_libya_The_return_of_colonialist_bondage/list_messages/39637
    theyve got the flight zone and the rebels have been helped by your militars in this massacre and murdering and bombing that occured to that country, are your militars going to retire the 31/10, are they, no??

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 11:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    You should look up that journalist. He has taken quite a fancy for Gadaffi.. Some of his quotes:

    “the man has been able to project himself as a passionate social reformer”
    “an outspoken critic of oppression”
    “when I fondly told her about one African leader that seems genuine”
    “the Brother Leader.”
    “I was marvelled at the modesty of this leader.”
    “The man, it seems to me, practices what he preaches.”
    “a young man who would become a respected figure among his people”
    “He survived to liberate Libyans”
    “He lives by example”
    “I rather prefer a Gaddafi’s “dictatorship”
    ”A benevolent dictator“
    ”As far as I am concerned, Gaddafi has given dictatorship a good name.“
    ”Libyans are genuinely proud of themselves, their country and their brother leader. “
    ”Gaddafi admires and respects people“
    ”I was somehow in a trance listening to this man’s speech“
    ”I had allowed myself to be convinced that Gaddafi’s Libya is in a system of its own.“
    ”That Gaddafi is a genuine leader with the interest of his people at heart. ”

    Anyone else think he's a weee bit biast?

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    the real biast are development countries concern by invading of freedom, democracy and human rights.
    the last article I post says “development nations has to use ideas or statements often exxagerated or false for a political cause.....They need to sound as people oriented leaders to gain the much needed support otherwise they become irrelevant. They must use empty rhetoric of politician as an excuse to justify the partial occupation of less powerful nations”
    the UN that seems to be failing in the responsability of inspiring peace among nations
    the real truth is now the people of libya are slaves of the country that helped them kick out Khadafi.libya destruction is a victory to the west.this hegemonic nations came to stay and position themselves for contracts. nothing more nothing else. the game is destry and rebuild. you know it well. it has happened in irak, in afghanistan before.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    You should look up that journalist. He has taken quite a fancy for Gadaffi.. Some of his quotes

    Yes he is up there with the likes of Sydney Schanberg,Bob Woodward and
    Carl Bernstein

    For reminder, I recently visited Libya for a three-day conference. Although the time I used in Libya is too short for a proper assessment of the country, I utilised the opportunity to get whatever I could in order to be able to extract some facts.

    What I found out during my three-day-stay in Tripoli is this: Almost every Libyan has roof over her head. Life expectancy is said to be over 70. Per capital income is about 12,000 dollars. It seems the rich and the “poor” eat the same kind of food. And there’s almost no beggar and homeless in Tripoli.

    Yep three days in the country and 9 hours of that under arrest

    the fact that I was detained for 9 hours at the airport even though I was officially invited

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    Stick: malen must be right, along with this journalist who's spent a whole 3 days in libya.

    I mean, so what if the people are dancing and cheering in the streets? The people clearly don't know what they want more than malen and this journalist does. They have a whole three days between them in libya. They are the experts on the libians wishes/needs.

    Peasants.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    the real biast are development countries concern to invade of freedom human rights and democracy others poor nations that have oil. (i forgot to say). The invasion, well, is to protect civilians. If for any other reason, not previsible, some are killed, it was not part of the plan, things that happen when using arms.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    There was no invasion malen. This is a basic fact.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    yes invasion of freedom is what you do.
    war no. Now it is called no fly zone. bombs drop in libyan cities alone. things that happens. and rebels got arms and other militar support from round a corner by miracle.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    So you support Gadaffi?

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    no. I think you are the same or worst.
    sure not better. to be better, you dont have to do the same dictators does.
    i mean killing or helping the killing, etc.
    and isnt this a matter of powerful countries to show their hegemony and domination over others??

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 05:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    They asked us for help. These “cockroaches” as Gadaffi called them “did not deserve to live” because they did not “love” him.

    His people took up arms because they did not want him. They now sing in the street because he's gone. Next year they will vote on what system of government they want.

    Dislike it all you want malen. The PEOPLE of libya are as far as they are concerned, better off.

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 05:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Libya's new rulers declare country liberated

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15422828

    Tens of thousands of people packed into Freedom Square to hear National Transitional Council (NTC) leader Mustafa Abdul Jalil speak

    Thats more than all the Argies packed into Plaza de Mayo following the Falkland invasion

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    MALEN MALEN
    So tell me, what do you then think of forieng troops in the following countries,
    Sent by there government for whatever reason,
    Do you agree or disagree, that forieng troops are in these countries, or have served there in the last 30 years,
    1, 1991 gulf war
    2, Kosovo
    3, in Croatia/Bosnia
    4, Gulf of Fonseca,
    5, Haiti
    6, Cyprus
    7, Belgium
    Or as militery observers in,[ UNTSO, MINURSO, UNMIL, MONUC, UNMIS and ONUCI ]]
    Anwser please malen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Oct 23rd, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    What can be said? You won't convince malen. You can feel the resentment coming through her posts. Oh well, hope the Lybians make a go of democracy.

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    all the above was the places that argentine troops/ships/planes have served in the last 30 odd years, mainly by UN involment,
    i just thought it fair, he condemms the british for being deployed,
    i just wondered if he thought it was right for them to be deployed, , but not be attacked by the likes of him . thats all.

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 03:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    the rule of la selva continues, because you cant builld peace with chaos killings deaths destruction intrusion a puppet government
    www.cnn.com/2011/10/24/world/africa/libya-main/

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    its their problem now,
    they must come together to make the peace .

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @67

    Maybe they should of made them Disappear like the Argies did,still give them time and maybe they will bring those responsible to justice,how long did the Argies take?

    http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=51162
    BUENOS AIRES, Apr 22, 2010
    Argentine Judges Delay Justice for Dirty War Criminals

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    69 so you are saying YOU put a facto power council that took government by the help YOU gave them militarly, by force and illegally ?? and so then in the future they are going to be judged (as it happened with our militar junta, a facto government that took power by force)?? nice kids you are

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @70
    as it happened with our militar junta, a facto government that took power by force)??

    It all worked out ok in the end didnt it?with a little help of Her Majesty's armed forces, winning the Falklands war and bringing about the fall of the Junta :-)

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    well you are admiting you are supporting ilegacy in Libya...not peace, not freedom, not democracy
    and our junta took power against our wishes, we didnt support it
    and your majesty, with those beautiful casques in the head she regularly uses, only wake up our revolutionary instincts we have heritated....:)

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 08:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    well you are admiting you are supporting ilegacy in Libya

    Err No,

    and our junta took power against our wishes, we didnt support it

    Well there was more than enough of your lot jumping up and down waving flags in the Plaza demayo after the“ invasion”, see I used the word invasion

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Forgetit87

    “So you support Gadaffi?”

    That is a false dichotomy, zeth.
    Likewise, the fact that one was opposed to the illegal invasion of Iraq, doesn't mean one supported Saddam.

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    73 i was there very young and?? I also wrote letters to soldiers at school and there were made colectas. that was not supporting the junta, was supporting the malvinas cause
    We called recuperation
    Im against wars in fact...better ways are to resolve this

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    We called recuperation

    We call invasion
    All Together NOW

    Something must be done:
    You say either and I say either,
    You say neither and I say neither
    Either, either
    Neither, neither
    Let's call the whole thing off.
    You like potato and I like potahto
    You like tomato and I like tomahto
    Potato, potahto,
    Tomato, tomahto.
    Let's call the whole thing of

    Oct 24th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    @76 stick up your junta,
    Don't you know? They think that they are NEVER wrong.
    @75malen,
    There is no mal... cause, because they are the Falklands and they do not belong to you.
    lt was not recuperation, it was an lnvasion of our lslands by Argentina.

    Oct 25th, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    ”and our junta took power against our wishes, we didnt support it
    and your majesty, with those beautiful casques in the head she regularly uses, only wake up our revolutionary instincts we have heritated....:)“

    I think you're a bit confused.

    Gadaffi like your junta took power against the peoples wishes.
    The people wanted him out, Like argentina did.
    This took some outside assistance, likewise it took loosing the war in Argentina to get rid of yours.

    ”not peace“

    He was murdering his own people. This was not peace. He was offered a ceasefire, he continued killing his own people. Gadaffi chose war.

    He's dead. Country now has peace.

    ”not freedom“

    Lybians disagree with you. And they know more than you do.

    ”not democracy”

    They HAD a dictator. Now they have a government that is going to be giving them democracy.

    Word it anyway you like. the people of libya are grateful for us helping them get democracy and free them from a murdering dictator. Your opinion on the matter is nothing.

    Forgetit87: You are correct. I only asked him because he seems to ignore the fact that gadaffi was a dictator who was killing his own people. That, and him linking a clearly pro gadaffi journalist.

    Oct 25th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    “K. like your junta took power against the wishes of people”
    “he was murdering his own people”
    “outside assistance”

    Dictators in Arg. were judged and put in jail. I would call the war of Malvinas a stupid mistake of the junta on their way to not loose power, that was on decline for them.
    Dictators in Libya were murdered cruelty, with outside assistance. (indirect assistance)

    About outside assistance, I dont like the way of assistance you give, militar and giving support to a faction against other (divide and conquer).

    And the council that is now in power wasnt and isnt killing its own people with your assistance (the same way Khadafi did)wasnt and isnt put their by force (the same way K did) ?? till democracy comes in 18 months??
    I see no difference. In my opinion it is worst, because the country is in chaos and totally destroyed, with more aggression between them, more killed people and more people fleeing, no water, no electricity, no jobs, no economy, etc.
    Its my opinion anyway you may think what you like.
    The people of Libya are those who suffer all this, Im not talking in their name. Perhaps you are right and all of them agree with you, according to your research.

    Oct 25th, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    “Dictators in Libya were murdered cruelty, with outside assistance. ”

    Indeed he should have went to trial. Thing is the libyans clearly hated him so much they did not want to give him this chance. They were not real troops trained as such were just civilians fighting for there lives.

    “I dont like the way of assistance you give”

    We don't care. The people of libya asked us for help. We helped them. We gave them EXACTLY what they asked for, no more, no less.

    “And the council that is now in power wasnt and isnt killing its own people”

    No.

    ”wasnt and isnt put their by force (the same way K did) “
    The force of the population of the country, Not a single dictator.

    ”? till democracy comes in 18 months??“

    The interm government is currently discussing what form of government they wish to vote on. They expect this to last two weeks. even if it takes 18 months. 18 months till democracy is better than forever without it. You can't deny this.

    ”I see no difference.“

    Because you clearly have a biast view. YOU see no difference. But the PEOPLE of libya clearly have a different opinion than you. They are the ones whos opinions matter. Not yours.

    ”more killed people and more people fleeing, no water, no electricity, no jobs, no economy, etc. “

    Again biast unresearched view. If we would have not got involved he would have wiped out the rebels - More deaths.

    ”The people of Libya are those who suffer all this“

    I agree. These are the people who asked us for help.

    ”and all of them agree with you, according to your research.”

    Doesn't take much research Malen. Google the subject. They were out in 10,000's to cheer this on out in libya and i often see them dancing in the streets of london celebrating.

    Oct 25th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    10.000 people on the square only represents the 0,1 % of libyan population (6.000.000)
    so nothing
    and I will continue condemning the crimes and the killings for peace, freedom or democracy. Its not the way.
    And it has to be analized this in a global context of power and domination between countries and economic interests.
    No matter if Im alone thinking this, I can make my own point of view, from what I read both from a BBC or a Mathaba page, both biased. I dont follow masses, its not that because many thinks the same I will think the same or that is best.
    And this is not only criticism to Br, also to US and France and NATO and UN that are everyday more far away from peace.
    Its only my opinion.

    Oct 25th, 2011 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    So what would you have done, malen. lf someone asked for help, you would not give it?

    Oct 26th, 2011 - 08:48 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    Let me add that it cost the tax payers (US) 2 billion to knock Gaddafi down versus trillions on the Iraq / Afghanistan war.

    I have a problem with the support of these assholes in the past for the sake of peace in the region without taking in consideration the oppression caused to their own people. Just a thought

    Oct 26th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    ”10.000 people on the square only represents the 0,1 % of libyan population (6.000.000)“

    That's just wrong. Half the country was protesting against him. His own troops, Generals and Diplomats turned on him. Lybians wanted him out. To pretend this is not true just proves exactly how biast you are.

    The rebels had well over 30,000 troops.

    The 10,000 in that square in Benghazi you can also add on the tens of thousands who protested in Bayda, Derna, Bani Walid, Zintan, Ajdabiya and other cities. With hundreds also protesting outside police stations. The army then shot the protestors.

    The reason why Benghazi was a free city was because of the FACT that Gadaffi's men were so overrun by protestors they had to flee the city.

    In Bayda the riot control police joined the protestors against Gadaffi before the army had to retreat because... Again they were over run by civilians protesting.

    From the 15th of feb the protestors were only a few hundred strong. By the 20th of feb, there were tens of thousands in various citys fighting the military and being shot to death.

    At this point they were protesting in Dublin and London also.

    By the 23rd of Feb the WHOLE eastern side of libya was no longer under Gadaffi's control. In a week he'd lost Cyrenaica, Misrata, Zawiya, Coastal Tripolitania, Sirte, Misrata, Khoms, the Tarhunah District, Zintan, Zawiya and Zuwara.

    If you want to act like this was just a small protest with some 10,000 people against a lovely cuddley dictator. Atleast do your research first malen. Then you can ”make your own point of view”. Because without the facts all you're doing is chatting utter rubbish without even knowing what happened.

    Oct 26th, 2011 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    Libya's Mustafa Abdul Jalil asks Nato to stay longer

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15459473

    Oct 26th, 2011 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    82 Galtieri was changed to another militar President Bignone, with whom there was a negotiation transition talks to go to democracy and the best of all we did this alone without intruders putting their noses were they dont have to.
    NATO is not going the 31/10 what a pity!! you must be so bad of having to stay longer to steal colonize in direct a little more
    and 84 try to get entitle to your opinion, what I think, whether you like it or not, its not your problem.
    I know perfectly what happened.
    Imperialism colonialism militar invasions high economic interest and contracts for the oil and rebuild ...posted already
    and the woman of Khadafi will ask for an investigation of how his husband was killed...
    www.interaksyon.com/article/15670/wife-asks-un-to-investigate-gaddafis-death
    we saw what happened, but justice cant happened in that country now.

    Oct 26th, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    zethe,
    malen has a closed mind. she will not believe anything we say, so why bother?

    Oct 27th, 2011 - 08:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • zethe

    I agree. Clearly ignorance is bliss.

    Oct 27th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    @86

    Did you read the link, blinkered one
    Syria ?
    A television station based in Syria that supported Muammar Gaddafi said Friday that the slain Libyan leader's wife has asked for a United Nations investigation into his death.

    Oct 27th, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Artillero601

    The end result was going to be the same, dead now or later? same thing. Now, i'm going to ask a question to the forum, Was it legal to kill U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki? (from the American standpoint)

    Oct 27th, 2011 - 06:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    . Well, NATO will now pull out,
    And Libya can and must rebuild her nation,
    This may or may not serve as a warning to other dictators in the region,

    But if they decide to go, or change, or whatever, it will be for them to decide, until such times as the people change it for them.

    Oct 27th, 2011 - 08:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • malen

    There is a video on internet (i wont post for respect) showing how kadhafi was sodomized before being assesinated. Everybody has camara phones, its more difficult to lie.
    its not the way for democracy for peace
    really disgusting, its the jungles law and there images of the destruction of Sirte Libya terrible too.

    Oct 29th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0

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