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Obama praises CFK and Argentina as “great friends of the US”
US President Barack Obama defined Cristina Fernández and Argentina “a great friend” of the United States in a meeting between both Head of States. The bilateral meeting Friday lasted around thirty minutes and took place in the Carlton Hotel in Cannes in the framework of the G20 summit. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesExactly as the Yankee Turnips in here had predicted...............
Nov 05th, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An furious USA criticizing, isolating and punishing Argentina as “payback” for the “CIA Plane Incident” and for being a Communist, Fascist, Nazist, Socialist, Peronist, Bolivarian, Narcissist, Bolivarian, Matriarchal dictatrorship....................
“Frank”, “Yankeeboy”, “Fredbdc” and the other Yanks............
You are the true masters of international politics!
Keep the good work!
Chuckle chuckle®
This would be the same “great friend” that invaded an American aircraft and seized American goods.
Nov 05th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just goes to show that politicians have no morals. Obama is, of course, a tosser. Would he know the truth if it stood up and smacked him round the chops until his head could do a full 360 degrees? Same answer as if you posed the same question about CFK. If she understood the question. Both Obama and CFK could benefit from placing their heads between two granite slabs and then bouncing their heads up and down. Or, alternatively, bringing the slabs together so quickly that fluids “spurt” out around all the joins.
@ 2 you're so helplessly angry and lost, your kingdom of paper is only ashes now hahaha. The day I arrived on planet Mercopress I knew that this site would be the best site for trolling :)and what does your mother's bouncing t*ts with CFK anyway?
Nov 05th, 2011 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Poor old xbarilox it rarely goes you way does it????????
Nov 05th, 2011 - 06:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Before the G20, Obama told Sarkozy that, “we all need to learn lessons from her.” . . . What did he mean?
Nov 05th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Press agencies say:
(i) Obama congratulated CFK on her re-election. He said Argentina was “a great friend of the USA” and that CFK talked forcefully and passionately on global issues. His intent was to re-kindle co-operation and bi-lateral ties.
(ii) CFK mentioned the importance of the 500+ US companies operating in Argentina, particularly the 300 big ones; she particularly liked the big sci./tech. ones.
These are the press releases of diplomatic meetings which are designed to say nothing. What really went on?
. . . . .
What we need is a brave person willing to release to the public the REAL conversations.
Could there ever be a man willing and able to publicise the REAL conversations, the truths behind such meetings, and the agreements?
I guess such a man would be rapidly stripped of his money and his self-worth. He might be framed - probably through third parties - and put on trial; possibly jailed or even worse.
argentina is a peaceful and friendly nation. hence why the rest of the world respects us and wants to deepen its ties. from china to europe to the US, and around the globe. we have problems with nobody except the decadent colonialist kingdom which insists on claiming land on the Americas.
Nov 05th, 2011 - 10:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Troneas, if the Falklands became independent, would that make you happy, seeing as there would be no “decadent colonialist kingdoms” in the Americas?
Nov 05th, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 05GeoffWard2:
Nov 06th, 2011 - 03:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you want to know why Obama made that comment to CFK, look no further than here:
http://mathaba.net/news/?x=629242
There would still be a decadent colonialist republic in South America, French Guiana, I suppose you want them to go home too?
Nov 06th, 2011 - 04:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0##7
Nov 06th, 2011 - 10:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina giving kelpers their independence while UK leaves south atlantic would be a fair deal.
Argentina cannot give TFIs independence as Argentina does not and never has owned the islands.
Nov 06th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is very easy to explain the politics here. Argentina stepped out of line and upset the US. The US flexed some muscle and showed Argentina that if they want to misbehave there will be consequences. Once the admonishment had been made and the rules reasserted, Argentina are welcomed to try again.
It is no different to a parent admonishing a child. You show them who has the power and remind them of the rules but you don't leave them on the naughty step forever.
As an Argentinian I d agree Malvinas to be independent if Argentinians could go & live there if they want to. Kelpers seem to be aggressive & backwards people.
Nov 06th, 2011 - 05:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 05 & 8 - What Obama really meant is that he must find a way to get re-elected, but if he tries using the same methods in the U.S. as CFK did in Argentina, he will guarantee his loss.
Nov 06th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As an Argentinian I d agree Malvinas to be independent if Argentinians could go & live
Nov 06th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes right, the 8th biggest country and you all huddle around BA,
make the most of your own country,you backward Argie
interesting that the shhhh, f-l-l-n-s was not mentioned,
Nov 06th, 2011 - 07:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0she was very quiet after, -a-k-a-d-??????????
perhaps the iran problem had some leverage on her , mmmm.
Buuuuaaaaaaaa
Nov 06th, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”Will Barack Obama betray Britain again over the Falklands?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100113800/will-barack-obama-betray-britain-again-over-the-falklands/
If the Falklands became an independent nation then surely it is up to the gvt to determine residency and migration policy! Hang on a minute, all the Gvts of the BOTs determine their residency, employment and migration policy themselves anyway.
Nov 06th, 2011 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 016 Marcos Alejandro //Will Barack Obama betray Britain again over the Falklands
Nov 06th, 2011 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
well that is a very interesting question,
who will stand aside America, argentina or britain,
who will if nessesery fight with them, argentina or britain,
who will help them with iran,argentina or britain,
so will obama shit on britain, just when it needs our help AGAIN,
or will cristina jump into the void and offer argentine ships,subs,men,and planes,
interesting thought,
for the first time this year argentina has been to a meating, whithout the falklands being mentioned, has obama called her in , to tell her to shut up perhaps, or to offer her the special relationship in place of britain,
very interesting, no doubt the world will soon find out eh marcos,
just how importent in argentina to the americans, when the shit hits the fan,
i will stick with the british, [and you ??? ]
Ring any bells with your Gov Marcos
Nov 06th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why is Barack Obama meeting with an African tyrant? The White House rolls out the red carpet for President Ali Bongo of Gabon
The family that has ruled the African nation of Gabon for decades has been accused of taking bribes, stealing hundreds of millions of dollars, and presiding over a system rife with corruption, but that hasn't stopped President Obama from inviting President Ali Bongo of Gabon to the White House Thursday.
“If you want to know why Obama made that comment to CFK, look no further than here: mathaba.net/news/?x=629242” (Auntie Adjeley (#8))
Nov 06th, 2011 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0FYO
The Mathaba News Agency (al-Mathaba, meaning “The Center”), also called the Anti-Imperialism Center (AIC), is an alternative news agency created by the regime of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 1982 to further world-revolutionary and anti-imperialist goals.
There is just a possibility that this might give the reports a bit of anti-US spin.
lmao briton & stick up your ? talking nonsense like nutters!
Nov 06th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What Junta? my God, you all are so backwards, stuck in 1982, get over it, you mugs.
Sticky, you know nothing, zero, about my country, stop embarrassing yourself & stop the African thing, how old are you? you are showing your poor education & your scrounger background lol . Your impotence is so obvious, your rants are ridiculous, no one cares what you say you little pathetic man.
Ps,FYI, my dear Neanderthal, we all came from Africa, millions of years ago the problem is some monkeys never evolved & you are the living proof!
:-)))
Nov 06th, 2011 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“During the bilateral meeting, four members of government from each country were present, following the “one plus four” formality applied to such meetings..”
Nov 07th, 2011 - 02:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I think the english born governor, forcibly imposed in Malvinas Islands by London, Nigel Haywood, might be confused with those formalities......... if he have a meeting at such level will be “one LESS four” ?? (Glen, Emma, Tim and Bill)
:)
Touch a nerve Lucero ? :-)))))
Nov 07th, 2011 - 09:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0@21 - Lucero - You think they are stuck in the 1980s, I think the Argentines are stuck in the 1830s.....
Nov 07th, 2011 - 11:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sticky, what pisses me off are your childish remarks when you dont have arguments for a decent debate, all you do is spouting crap. I really doubt you know the dif. between Tyrant & a President democratically elected. Why dont you take a look at yourselves with the incompetent of PM you lot have, Camoron, the lap dog of the US & UN, who cant even give a decent speech without reading a paper, probably written by someone else.Why are you so mad with us anyway, you are not an islander (kelper), are you?
Nov 07th, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MofFi, face it, if your Most Gracious Majesty havent had the brilliant idea of invading our land, we wouldnt be here now. There was an Argentine governor & Argentine people living there when you arrived in 1833. Remember??
Why are you so mad with us anyway, you are not an islander (kelper), are you?
Nov 07th, 2011 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not as mad as you Argies working yourselves up ,trying to obtain the unobtainable,I cant stand bullies and thats what you Argies are,keep winding yourself up :-)))))))
Lucero...let me get this right. The Falklands people can’t bring up 1982 when Argentina invaded our islands, but Argentines can bring up 1833 when Britain supposedly invaded your islands (even though the Falklands were British at the time)?
Nov 07th, 2011 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Utter hypocrisy. And what is worse is that you can’t even see your inane logic.
And no, I can’t say I remember the events of 1833 because I wasn’t alive. Just like every other person currently living on Earth. But my parents, siblings and friends all can remember the events of 1982 as they lived through them, held at gun point and all. This just adds to your hypocrisy and inane logic.
Lucero, The islands where already claimed & inhabited by the British when you invaded back in the 1800's. Your garrison even shot a few of them. Remember? no of course you don't because your government has tried to erase such things from your history.
Nov 07th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Even Vernet reconised British sovrenty over the islands back then.
In January 1826 before sailing Vernet took his Argentine grant to the British Consulate to ask for permision to use the islands as a way point for sealing activties . He also had an interview with British Consul Woodbine Parish, who asked him to prepare a full report on the Islands for submission to the British Government. Vernet expressed the wish that, in the event the British returned to the Islands, they would take his colony under their protection. Vernet expressed the same sentiments to Langdon, a British captain.
If you are suggesting we expect to obtain anything by force you are wrong. I see some of you are mixing things up. One thing was that stupid & tragic war in 1982 - I hadnt been born yet- but I know it was a desperate attempt of the Dictatorship to stay in power, what they did was manipulate Argentinian s feelings to their own benefits, behaving like the bunch of criminals & cowards they were, sending kids to war .
Nov 07th, 2011 - 05:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do apologise for the war, but Falklands/Malvinas is another story, we are claiming the land & been claiming them since 1833.
If you say they were British before 1833, why werent you sent before 1833, why wasnt a British settlement & why Rosas diplomatically claimed the islands in 1833 when you took them.
Why do you think they belong to you, being so far away from Britain? it is not coherent.
You should actually read up on the history of the Falklands, and not from Argentine sources, look at independent sources. Pascoe and Pepper also provide information on the Falklands, backed up by sources from the Argentine Government's archives.
Nov 07th, 2011 - 05:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have it the wrong way Lucero. The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders (like myself), and we have decided to remain British.
30 Lucero
Nov 07th, 2011 - 06:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I recommend you also read the response from the former Chancellor Cisneros.Es very good, consistently responds to Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper in his note of February 12 Mercopress. This note is a reactionary pamphlet answering the Argentinian Seminars December 3, 2007.
The biggest problem the thought of Graham Pascoe and Peter Pepper, is the single thought that is thought as I say, nothing else interests me., Call Imperialism in the political or in economic neoliberalism. All they think otherwise is false or untrue, even though the evidence and arguments are undoubtedly true. They have eyes and understanding but do not want to see or understand the true context of conflict: Anglo-Saxon imperialism cloaked in today versus legitimate claims removed by force in 1833. Argentina never ceased to claim in history despite being pointed a gun before (1833).
I recommend reading the following link.
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/02/06/unilateral-facts-indeed
28 M_of_FI You say: “But my parents, siblings and friends all can remember the events of 1982 as they lived through them, held at gun point and all”
Nov 07th, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another Kelper said:
” -In there they kept us, the bastards“, Allie spits defiantly. We are standing outside a tin roofed timber building that has a bell tower on it which might allow it to be used as a church in case somebody wanted to pray for redemption, but was considered so unlikely it was turned into a bar and social club for the majority who were pretty much certain they were in Hell anyway.
-How long were you in there Allie? I ask.
-Over two months, he replies.
-Terrible............terrible, I sympathise.
-Oh, it wasn't so bad, he sniffs.
-How do you mean?
-Food was good - all Argy stuff and they gave us plenty of Beer and fags.
-Oh, right, I answer then ask. ”But they wouldn't let you out would they and you couldn't get washed or use proper toilets and things“?
-Who told you that?
-It was in the newspapers.
-Load of bollocks, he sneers. ”They kept us in there at night because of the bloody English sending planes over to bomb the airfield but in the daytime we went back to our houses”.
-I thought your homes had been taken over by the Argentinians?
Some of them had. I had a couple of officers in my house but I liked them.
Real polite they were and they gave me all sorts of stuff……………”
http://www.wix.com/cusak1951/fantazum
Elaine #11
Nov 07th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ . . .It is no different to a parent admonishing a child. You show them who has the power and remind them of the rules but you don't leave them on the naughty step forever.”
I don’t think Argentina is on the naughty step, they are refusing to go there, prefering to continue trashing the room.
Capitalist cost & benefit:
As a result of the recent CFK profits control, the 500 or so US companies in Argentina can and will stay until their Directors of Finance say 'enough is enough' and then the CEOs pull out the companies and re-locate their South American productions and enterprises elsewhere.
The stage following will be, of course, the inducing and begging of them to stay,
and I believe ultimately, their gradual replacement with equivalent Chinese public-private companies.
It’s horrible to see a country coming apart before your very eyes – and the locals too blind to see it.
I have no motivation or reason to try and convince you. What is the point? The truth has been regularly thrust upon you and you refuse over and over again to accept it. Believe what you want Marcos. But I dont question what my family has told me about the invaders of the Falklands.
Nov 07th, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“If you want to know why Obama made that comment to CFK, look no further than here: mathaba.net/news/?x=629242” (Auntie Adjeley (#8))
Nov 07th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For you *Information* (sorry for the typo)
The Mathaba News Agency (al-Mathaba, meaning “The Center”), also called the Anti-Imperialism Center (AIC), is an alternative news agency created by the regime of Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi in 1982 to further world-revolutionary and anti-imperialist goals.
There is just a possibility that this might give the reports a bit of anti-US spin.
35 M_of_FI I don't question your family nor I was a friend of the military back then, however if you listen to your fellow Kelper @33 sounds like your family were treated a lot better than us in the mainland thirty years ago.
Nov 07th, 2011 - 07:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 020 & 36 Geoffward
Nov 07th, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mathaba is an anti imperialist center???
sureeeeeeeeee all they say is so biased
quick to make business (with arms!!) says The Independent, not Mathaba
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/british-delegation-will-visit-libya-in-effort-to-kickstart-arms-deals-6257561.html
@ 38
Nov 07th, 2011 - 09:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No shit sherlock, of course we want to sell them arms,we have spent the last months destroying Gaddafi's weapons and storage facilities,any way get in quick
Why the Fuckland Islands were not present in the G-20 forum?
Nov 08th, 2011 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Nov 08th, 2011 - 09:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you kiss your mum with that mouth? anyway all going well with the oil they might be
“Why the Fuckland Islands were not present in the G-20 forum?”
Nov 08th, 2011 - 11:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why did CFK not mention the Falklands at all while at the G20, could it be that she's been re-elected so no longer needs to manipulate the Argentine population.
Lucero, there seems to be some confusion over who can and can't live in the Falklands. There are quite a few Argentine-born people living here now. Quite recently some Argentine residents settled in the islands. Now, if you mean that Argentines should be able to live here on their Argentine passports, they can for 3 months, like any other tourist. If they want to stay longer they may have problems, just as islanders who go to Argentina have problems. French, Czech, Latvian and UK residents are also not allowed to just turn up in the islands to live.
Nov 08th, 2011 - 01:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would love to have the right to live anywhere in the world on my current passport, but usually, when people migrate and settle in other countries, they have to make sacrifices.
M_of, There are no independent sources, those you named are British (Pascoe & Pepper), few British ive talked to said they belong to them because about 500 years ago a British guy find them, it is not serious!
Nov 08th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stakeholder,Falklands are a Britains colony, i still dont get why some islanders consider themselves an -independent- country,what are you, a country of 2500 people? please, get real. No offences! (giggles :P)
Islanders hate Argentinians with a passion, do you really think if Argentinians wanted to live there they will allow it? they wont.
There was even a case of an islander, I think it was Peck, who married an Argentine woman & islanders didnt let their child to born in the islands, what do you think about that? i think it s lack of culture & education.
----and GeoffWard2, dont know what are you from, you seem to be Yank, instead of worrying about Argentina, why dont you worry about your own country, you are falling to pieces & still dare to talk about us, you dont have a clue.-----
Ps, none of you answered the questions of my previous post.
Lucero #30/44
Nov 08th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0not a 'Yank'. Born in England, living in Brasil.
Ex-uni academic interested in the environment, anthropology, good politics and bad politics, corruption, Mercosur/CAN/Unasur/Parlasur, TFI, South American history.
Yes, these are 'interesting times' for the US, but it is so BIG and POWERFUL that it can weather any storm and survive when the minnows collapse around it. China poses an economic competitor at the moment and may prevail in generations to come. The US is struggling to come to terms with its changing roles in the world; as it struggles in the full glare of the world's media we perceive it as being weak - a mistake.
#26: Tyrants v Presidents.
The two are not mutually exclusive. Idi Amin was both, Mugabe is both. Some people assume the role of President by tyrannically warping the democratic process, calling themself 'democratically elected' - they remain tyrants to their people and they clothe themselves in the dress of the military or wrap their politics in a red flag; I know you can think of some from recent South American history.
#30 We agree about the 'Conflict' (it could hardly be called a war).
I was already middle aged when it happened, and I fully understood the politics of each 'side', the imperatives, the military perspective, the outcomes, and the manipulations of public awarenesses in the years following.
The ownership and claims on TFH, SG, SSandI, SOI, SShI, Antarctica sector are all lodged with the appropriate authorities. The prior claims lodged carry more weight, present ownership and the will of the inhabitants weigh heavy in the ICJ deliberations. The UN and C28 have positions but the arbiter is the ICJ.
“Why do you think they belong to you, being so far away from Britain? it is not coherent.”
They are the vestiges of an Empire which covered half the world's land mass. They are small & vulnerable; they choose to be protected by the UK as Protectorates. Where uninhabited the rules of ownership are well established.
(the isles).... where uninhabitated the rules of ownership are well established..........
Nov 08th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0explain more if you know, you lie so well
stick weapons must be used for the carnage & chaos thats getting on libya with your help
dominicanewsonline.com/news/all-news/general/in-libya-the-carnage-continues-after-the-cameras-have-gone/
Don't be rude, Malen.
Nov 09th, 2011 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lucero, I don't think anyone here has ever pretended we are an independent country. That's the whole point. We are a British dependent territory and on the whole are satisfied with that situation. Should we ever want to become independent, I know of no minimum population requirements for a country. The limitations are financial and we have been financially independent in all but defence (to which we contribute) for longer than Argentina has.
Nov 09th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately there is a lot of hate here. Time and understanding on both sides is all that can reduce it. So far, your government has given us no chance to begin.
You ask whether islanders would allow Argentines to live here. As I said, there are already Argentine-born islanders, some of them Argentine residents. Unlike James Peck, they did not get their residency from a head of state, which may be why you haven't heard about it.
What is not allowed is people residing here permanently without getting Falkland residency. In other countries, that's known as illegal immigration. I don't know the details of James Peck's children and where they were or were not allowed to be born, but the Falklands Government does have a policy of preferring non-residents to have their children in their country of origin. I don't always agree with that policy, but it applies to Chileans, Bulgarians and Turks - not just Argentines.
What happens to Argentines living here? There might be a few grumblings at first. The handful of real Argie-haters might make a fuss to begin with but in the end, as long as they don't hoist the Argentine flag daily, or push the sovereignty issue in any way, they won't get shot at, or spat at, or refused service. They might never be considered “real” islanders, but that applies to most foreigners.
well either he understands that the falklands are british, or he does not,
Nov 09th, 2011 - 02:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but their is nothing argentina can do about it, since the election, she has all but forgotten abt the falklands,
still she did do as she promised, just talk .
geoff im not rude when I say “you”, I say “ustedes” not “usted” (personnal way not)
Nov 09th, 2011 - 03:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and i dont offense and neither answer others offenses
and if you are real british go to britain stakeholder
Malen #50,
Nov 09th, 2011 - 04:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your plural doesn't exist in English; your contex shows that your agression was directed at me.
In a globalised world *many* people live where they were not born. One's birth country is largely an accident of timing - a couple of months either way and I could have a passport from India, or from Aden or from Nigeria! (and that was pre-globalisation!).
Whether dual-nationality or permanent visa, one's country of adoption, one's *chosen* country, is important - perhaps more important - than one's country at the moment of birth.
@44 - Lucero. Argentines have moved to the Falklands and do still currently live here. They, like every overseas national, have to go through the same process to live and work in the Falklands, which revolve around getting a job (work permit). The Falklands Government do not discriminate against Argentines.
Nov 09th, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the situation with James Peck's children, I cant fully remember the details, but it is not because she was Argentine. I think it was because she was did not hold a permit and therefore did not qualify for free medical treatment. So I assume James and Maria (his wife) refused to pay. I think that was the situation, I remember reading about it a long time ago. Anyway, it was more to do with Maria's lack of status than her being an Argentine. If anyone does know the true story (please no Argentine baseless assumptions and mad theories) then please do share, because Lucero's assumptions are incorrect.
dictator Rosas told the British he was not going to claim the Falklands in exchange of asylum in GB in case he was defeated.
Nov 09th, 2011 - 06:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This happened in 1850 when he was defeated in Caseros by Urquiza,the same day he went aboard an English vessel with his daughter Mercedes.
In Southhampton he received a little farm and an monthly allowance from the British Governement.
@expat,Rosas was the Governor of Buenos Aires Province, I know you have no respect, but at least have some education, books dont bite.
Nov 09th, 2011 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@M_of, & why didnt she hold a permit? just curious. We heve free health care & free superior education here in Argentina, & everyone, including immigrants, have access to both.
“Argentine baseless assumptions and mad theories” LOL, I know the story cos i read an interview to them both time ago, are you saying Pack lied? C mon!
@briton, Falklands issue has got nothing to do with elections, Argentina s been claiming them since 1833.
it did when she was being elected,
Nov 10th, 2011 - 08:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but thats all in the past now, she is in, and the talking stops.
You really are hard headed people, are you. Malvinas have ALWAYS been a matter of state, nothing to do with elections, you get it all wrong. You call us brainwashed but it looks like its the other way around.
Nov 10th, 2011 - 11:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0if you say, so
Nov 11th, 2011 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0It makes sense that the U.S has special ties with Argentina,
Nov 11th, 2011 - 08:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It always has and will continue to do so as long as Argentina's
economy remains strong, But the U.S should declassify
documents of their involvement in the support for the Argentine military Junta back in the late 1970's which deeply created mistrust about U.S intentions in Argentina in the eyes of the Argentine society
cause and effect period!
“De-classify . . . . ” #58
Nov 11th, 2011 - 10:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'm always a bit unsettled by the 'De-' words.
De-classify seems such a neutral thing to do - you know, the line of least resistance, never-hurt-a -fly type stuff.
What it really is, is a 100% reversal of policy, with all the implications and ramifications that follow.
What might these do?
Well they could reverse amnesties, they could initiate another season of partisan blood-letting, they could destabilise governments, they could upset the balance of power and regional economic developments.
This is not a little 'itty bitty' thing of limited consequence. One-sided de-classification is one-sided destabilisation.
It is ALWAYS demanded for *one-sided political reasons*, even though it is usually wrapped up in a human rights flag.
There is an argument for an all-sides instantaneous de-classification (but this is, of course, a flight of fancy - unless, of course you want an all-sides instantaneous 'war').
And it is always wise to look under the stone before sticking your hand underneath it.
The maxim 'who gains most from this?' is always worth examining; the reciprocal “who looses most by this?' should also be examined.
The final dimension is context and setting:
”Is the world now the same as the world was then? Have the changes over the years altered so much that the a de-classification would a distinctly regressive act?'
It's so easy to demand it but so difficult to evolve a society tolerant enough to say “Well, so that's what happened. What an interesting piece of history. See what's on the other channel, darling?”
Regardig Rosas he was not only governor of buenos aires but he had influence in all other provinces, think Lucero doesnt give him the
Nov 11th, 2011 - 10:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0place he deserved.
Regarding the free education and free health in Argentina I can tell you
from my own experience that it is a disaster,hospitals which lack the basic tools and medicines ,some names: Duran,Posadas, Rivadavia and schools where the teachers are constantly on strike,universities which
dont have any international prestige, UBA is on the world list number 250. The ttransport is a terrible mess ,the san martin railway seems a Far west train....and the bureaucracy of the state employees is something for
a Guiness record book
@expat, are you Argentine? if so, speak Spanish please.
Nov 11th, 2011 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Course anything its perfect and everything that is public has failures, it happens all over the world, BUT for every public that goes wrong there are plenty that work, and there are lots of professionals who save lives of people who can not pay private health care & lots of public schools & universities that are far better than private. Who cares about international prestige?? lol as you may know, we have some Nobels & all of them studied in public universities.
Dont forget the fact Argentina is the only Latin American country with free superior education & free health care, ask Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay, etc. (I think Mexico is the only one who has free universities like Argentina) loads of South American people come to Argentina to study.
GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT
Ps, If you went to private you are doing it justice, proper redaction anyone? :P
,that why the quality of life is low.
Nov 12th, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0# 62,
Nov 12th, 2011 - 02:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If YOUR quality of life is proportional to your redaction issues, then you are done darling.
“, that why” , lmao
i am not an argy and my language is not english.
Nov 13th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I only want to tell you that you cant be proud telling that education and
health are free ,because they are a terrible mess.
50 years ago it was ok,but now not more therefore people with a medium income have to send their children to private schools and universities
and to spend a big amount in private health insurance,besides a 25 percent inflation per year,this makes a country with a very low
quality of life.
Speak Spanish then! & stop spouting lies, jealousy & ignorance, let me guess, you are from one of those 3rd world countries I named before, right? well, could you please tell your compatriots to stop coming to my country to get free public benefits?
Nov 14th, 2011 - 04:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0About the rest, I ve been clear in my previous post, I wont repeat it again, btw, you dont have a clue about our quality of life & you should worry about your own s****y country.
Addio!
again you are wrong, I come from a North european fist world country,thats why the disorganisation here schocks me.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 05:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as a matter of fact my company is making investments in your country
and maintaining jobs for several argies
Course its a bit chaotic, we are part of Latinamerica, helloooo!!, but most of the things you said are not true, you dont have a clue.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0North European “fist” world then, I get it now, lol.
Ps, You could try to improve your English, mine is quite bad, but yours is well crappy for a Nort European Fist world citizen! :P
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