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Falklands establishes agriculture and trade cooperation links with Uruguay
If proof was ever needed that adversity leads to a greater determination to succeed, it has been amply provided in a recent trip by the Falkland Islands Senior Agricultural Advisor, “Mac” McArthur, on a trade mission and cultural visit to Uruguay. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesthis will have the Argi's ranting,
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and the world larfs at argentina... and larf and larfs and larfs........
Nov 14th, 2011 - 10:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Another nail in the ....... Oh bugger.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Quick, get the Air Force to operate our civilian aircraft”
Argentina will go into 'bully-boy' mode!
Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Done it before -
1953 - October 21st, Argentina protests at Uruguay’s appointment of a consular agent and protests about an agreement for an air link to the Falklands agreed between Britain and Uruguay. Uruguay’s Government point out that the vice-consul was appointed in 1924 and the agreement signed in 1947.
October 28th, Argentina bans her shipping from calling at Uruguay’s ports.
December 10th, Colonial Secretary Oliver Lyttelton, announces the building of additional defence bases in the Falklands.
1953 – January, under the pretext that Uruguay has impinged on Argentina’s sovereignty for more than 20 years by maintaining a consulate in the Falklands, Argentina restricts the amount of permits given to its citizens allowing travel to its neighbour.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1900-1965/
Nothing much changes :-)
So Brazil are happy to enter into joint defense agreements with the UK and provide port facilities for FI licenced fishing vessels and oil ships and Uruguay are looking at way to do business with farmers. Hmmm looks like Argentina has no actual support.
Nov 14th, 2011 - 11:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talk is cheap after all.
yep
Nov 15th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0they are now, the worlds greatest talkers ?
I see the Argentine Air Force has taken over air traffic control ! ?
Nov 15th, 2011 - 01:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://english.telam.com.ar/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13392:argentinas-air-force-will-be-in-charge-of-air-navigation-control&catid=42:politics
Uruguay kicks there ass at football as links with the FALKLAND ISLANDS and is now a member of the IMF and not going cap in hand to them, dose seem like Uruguay is giving some one the middle finger big time along with Chile next it will be Paraguay, argis are getting them self's a bit box in, it's nice to have friend's
Nov 15th, 2011 - 08:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0malvinistas? l can't hear you. wherefore thou art? l suppose they're all speachless with “fury”.
Nov 15th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0: ) I think it is a bit early for The Argentine posters. : )
Nov 15th, 2011 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0What this illustrates is that governments will make soothing noises to their neighbours, pose for smiling pictures and clasp hands in perceived friendship, but what really matters is what is going on behind the political window-dressing.
Ultimately trade is money and money trumps everything.
I think it is a bit early for The Argentine posters
Nov 15th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yep, still tucked up in their coffins :-))))
Good Morning from the Lone Star State, anybody called? :-)))
Nov 15th, 2011 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are there any Uruguayan people out there? Who, exactly, runs your country? Is it anyone inside your country? Have you considered standing on your own two feet and doing what you want to do? There are around three and a half million of you, right? Strange how three thousand Falkland Islanders won't do what Argentina wants, but you do!
Nov 15th, 2011 - 03:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Redhoyt, by the way:
Nov 15th, 2011 - 03:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Uruguay's air force has a funny Insignia... (might be seen a provocative too)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Artigas.svg
this will have the Argi's ranting,AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAA!
Nov 15th, 2011 - 04:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you think I give a dam about uk and the Malvinenses????
Are there any Uruguayan people out there? Who, exactly, runs your country? Is it anyone inside your country? Have you considered standing on your own two feet and doing what you want to do? There are around three and a half million of you, right? Strange how three thousand Falkland Islanders won't do what Argentina wants, but you do! AHAHHAHAHAHAH
Uruguay is heavily dependeant on Argentina,tourism and economics...more than a million Uruguayans lives in Argentina.....You foul...uk IS FINISHED!!!
15 Malvinero1 go take your insanity pills,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is re-starting, we are getting richer, bigger and better,
and all you can say is [ AHAHHAHAHAHAH]
poor quaso,
Malvinero1
Nov 15th, 2011 - 05:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0a million Uruguayans living in Argentina = a million Fifth Columnists then there are the Chilean Fifth Columnists and the Paraguayan Fifth Columnists, tick tock tick tock the clock is ticking, best watch your back
Argentina, with this policy (or rather with this government's policy) will soon have no friendly country. Alas, alone at last! :-(
Nov 15th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but hey
Nov 15th, 2011 - 05:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you still have hugo the bear lol.
“Does anyone outside the continent will recognize that the Malvinas are Argentine?”
Nov 15th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read the following link.
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1422572-mujica-visito-el-pais-y-se-mostro-cerca-del-gobierno
another put up job, by the defeated lol.
Nov 15th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@18
Nov 15th, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it time to get the tanks out? ;-))
5 Malvinero1 go take your insanity pills,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 08:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK is re-starting, we are getting richer, bigger and better,
and all you can say is [ AHAHHAHAHAHAH]
poor quaso,
AHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH! britton: YOU ARE a GOOD for nothing!!CHEETAH-poet!! AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
23 Malvinero1 and thats your final answer,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 11:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0sorry, you lost, lol.
“ June 1st, the Government of Argentina bans the United Nations magazine ‘World Communications’, because it lists the Falkland Islands as British possessions.”
Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1900-1965/
They still are Rolly :-)
Malvinero1,
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Do you share the same keyboard with malen? Or perhaps your gets stuck too? Time to buy a new one. Good morning.
I dont want to know why their keyboards are sticky........
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0@27 LOL. Thanks for putting that thought in my head. Why isn't there mind bleach?
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0@28. Sorry about that, but they do seem to enjoy Mercopress a bit too much.....
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 025 Redhoyt
Nov 16th, 2011 - 07:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks, finally recognize the resolution 2065. Territorial integrity prevails over self-determination. Read this link.
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuesti% C3% B3n_de_las_Islas_Malvinas
On December 16, 1965 the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution 2065 (XX). The resolution was approved by 94 votes in favor, none against and 14 abstentions
The Argentina got with the statement that the United Nations should interfere in the Question of the Malvinas Islands, recognize the existence of a sovereignty dispute, makes the solution of the problem to negotiations between the two countries taking into account the interests of the islanders, leaving aside the principle of self-determination required by Resolution 1514 (XV), it was not asked the United Kingdom to grant independence to the Falkland Islands or take into account the wishes of the islanders.
On March 18, 1966 an information circular of the General Secretariat of the United Nations informed the members of the UN after that date, the name of the islands in the official documents of the body would be, ”Falkland (Malvinas)“ documents in English and ”Malvinas (Falkland)” for documents in castellano.41
The resolution was ratified in 1973 by Resolution 3160, XXVIII, with 116 votes in favor, 14 abstentions and none against, 42 in 1976 ratified the above Resolution 31/49 and added:
(...) Urges both parties to refrain from taking decisions that involve the introduction of unilateral changes in the situation while the islands are going through a process recommended in the aforementioned resolutions (...)
That prompted added that the UK voted against and was approved by 102 votes, with 32 abstentions.
Other similar resolutions were: 37 / 9 of the General Assembly Resolution recognized that the war ended five months before the term did not alter either the nature of the dispute. Annually, the General Assembly and the Special Committee on Decolonization, continued acting in the same direction.
30 Raul
Nov 16th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with that, Raul, as you well know, is that our 'wishes' and our 'interests' are the same thing, because no-one knows better than us what is in our best interests.
That is the view of the UK, who will never do anything without asking us first. Any other approach would be a deeply distasteful manifestation of colonialism. The UK will never allow us to be subjugated by you against our will, and the sooner you accept that the better.
Do you really want that? Do you want a population subjugated by force (and believe me you would have to)? Do you want us turning up at the UN petitioning for our independence from a foreign colonising power? Because that is how it would turn out for you. We'd be a thorn in your side and an embarrassment, for ever.
It would be a posting from hell for argie troops,
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the dark night skies, eerie noises, soldiers can go missing,
Never seeing the light of day, frightened to go out, patrolling in fours,
Bring a new meaning to asylum seeking,
Yep
A posting from hell,
just a eerie thought lol.
31 Monty69
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The problem with that, Raul, as you well know, is that our 'wants' and our 'interests' are the same thing, because nobody knows better than us what is in our best interests
Resolution 2065 is clear, desires and interests are not the same thing, are defined interests but not wishes. The decolonization committee of the UN, which is who considers the conflict and authority on the subject, it is very clear about this. It is a different case of colonialism in which you must restore the principle of territorial integrity considering the interests of the islanders' wishes.
This is the opinion of the United Kingdom that will never do anything without consulting us first.
Make no mistake, The United Kingdom must observe and respect the UN resolution 2065. The United Kingdom is a party and a member of the UN. Remember that Britain is a colonial power.
Argentina do not forget 1833. It is written in our constitution. His government did not respect the Argentine inhabitants on the islands in 1833. Accept this and understand this better.
Do you really want that? Want a subject population by force?
We do not want a subject population by force or less. This is not revenge but justice. They will not be subdued by force or expelled from the islands as Britain did with the native Argentines. The islanders can enjoy their interests as other communities, such as the Welsh in Patagonia or Buenos Aires Scottish.
Would you like going to the UN request for independence from foreign colonial power? Because that's what I turn to you. We would like to be a thorn in the side and a shame for ever
Remember Britain in 500 years of history and is now a colonial power. Remember that Argentina had four English invasion and (1806-1807-1833 - Forced Return of 20/11/1845). Argentina has always always go forward. Shame is to maintain a colonial situation in the XXI century. They can not be British in Argentinian territory.
33 Raul
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, Raul, there is no territorial integrity here for you. We are 400kms away and not part of your territory in any way. The fact that you say it doesn't make it true. And the fact that you choose to put it in your constitution doesn't make it true either. And there never were any native Argentines. Just three men and a dog for five minutes in 1833.
We wouldn't 'enjoy our interests' because being Argentine is not our choice and therefore is not our 'interest'. You would have to rule us by martial law, and that is not in anyone's interest.
I repeat, you are the colonial power. You have nothing in common with us, you don't live here, and we don't want you, your language, your culture, nothing. If you force yourselves on us, you are the colonisers.
You're telling it how you would like it to be, and not how it actually would be. Far from being like the Welsh or scottish in argentina, we would be under house arrest, and sabotaging your stuff by night whilst our government in exile petitioned the UN for our liberation. Is that really what you want?
Better take a look at the Kosovo case Rolly. 'Territorial Integrity' comes in a poor 2nd.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Better take a look at the Islas de Palmas Case 1928 too - geography is irrelevant.
Then there's the Minquiers and Ecrehos Case 1953, which pretty well does it for ancient history.
And of course the Beagle Channel Arbitration 1977, goodbye uti possidetis juris.
Not to forget East Timor in 1995, puts self-determination right up there - on top.
Now the funny thing is, even with Argentina's selective interpretation, UN GA Resolutions are not mandatory, not law. And your interpretation is VERY selective.
But then, Argentina didn't actually manage to achieve any Territorial Integrity in the first place. So it hardly matters.
Isn't history wonderful :-))
You want to read some law lad !
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
Dear Monty69
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I put in place in your shoes, I understand. You live and was educated in Anglo-Saxon vision of life. I do not blame him, but I do not share.
And there was never any native Argentina. Only three men and a dog for five minutes in 1833.
Read without prejudice Resolution 2065. In drafting the UN resolution were studied and contrasted both Argentine and British foundations and scholars and historians of the subject, watched the historical and social processes of conflict originated in 1833 and concluded and found that the Argentine arguments are robust There was real and Argentine were expelled and prevented their return. History says so.
Again, you are the colonial power. You have nothing in common with us,
Just as I put myself in your shoes, please you, if you in the shoes of the Argentine, who suffered the colonial dispossession in 1833. You do this exercise. Remember the four British invasions suffered by our country and the size and voltage of violence causing death and England. Imagine now the suffering of the people of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya with their humanitarian bombings and see who is the colonial ...
......., While our government in exile asked the UN for our liberation. Is that really what you want?
No extremist and storyteller. Leave the hatred and all that Argentina is Latin America. Never be in exile or under house arrest. Today there are mayors, deputies and senators of British origin and are fully integrated into our society. Never will happen in 1982, our constitution says:
“La Nación Argentina ratifies its legitimate and imprescriptible sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and South Sandwich and the corresponding maritime and island spaces, being an integral part of the country. The recovery of these territories and the full exercise of sovereignty , respecting the way of life for its inhabitants and according to the principles of international law are permanent and irrevocable goal of the Argentine people. ”
36 Raul
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't hate South America. I love Chile and I've been there many times.
I'll stop hating Argentina when you stop trying to take my country.
Until then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
37 Monty69
Nov 17th, 2011 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Leave all kinds of hatred, remind the Nobel Peace prize, Amnesty International UK, U.S. Luther King or Perez Esquivel of Argentina in their struggle for human rights against the military dictatorship and the demands of dialogue in the Falklands conflict. “There are no roads to peace, peace is the way.”
John Lennon phrases that are applicable to British aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.
“Give peace a chance to” ... .. “I can not believe I'm honored. I thought it was necessary to drive tanks and win wars. ”....“ If we take the power, would have the task of cleaning the bourgeoisie and keeping people in a revolutionary state of mind. ”
Lennon returned his medal Member of the Order of the British Empire in September 1969, through a letter to the Queen of England own and sent to St. James Palace in London. The musician took this decision for UK involvement in the Biafran war of secession by the British Government to support the U.S. invasion of Vietnam and the censorship of his song 'Cold Turkey', because references to drugs included.
”Your Majesty, I am returning my MBE (acronym for the logo is known) as a protest against Britain's involvement in the Nigeria-Biafra issue, against our support for the U.S. in Vietnam and against falling 'Cold Turkey' on the music charts. with love, John Lennon, ”reads the letter he wrote the music to the queen, as reported by 'Music News' collected by otr / press. Now, the Medal of the Order of British Empire, could end up in a museum as fans demand musician.
If John really is a true revolutionary of peace and nonviolence.
Monty69 ,,agree to disagree
Nov 17th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0and straight away he disagrees and brings up the past,
argentina illigaly invaded an innocent peacefull unarmed and defenceless nation in 1982,
[fact]
you cannot and will not be allowed to take the falklands by false witness that you failed to take by violence,
38 Raul
Nov 17th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your country is behaving towards mine in a hateful way. It is behaviour calculated to arouse hatred. You interfere with our shipping, our air links, our cricket team, our children's trips to Chile. You want us to hate you and we do. Your brand of 'non- violence' is disgraceful and illegal.
So don't lecture me about history. I doubt that John Lennon would have been feeling the love if the Argentines had been knocking on his door.
Allow me to assist -
Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0The General Assembly,
Having examined the question of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Taking the chapters of the reports of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples relating to the Falkland Islands (Malvinas), and in particular the conclusions and recommendations adopted by the Committee with reference to that Territory,
Considering that its resolution 1514 (XV) of 14 December 1960 was prompted by the cherished aim of bringing to an end everywhere colonialism in all its forms, one of which covers the case of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas),
Noting the existence of a dispute between the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland concerning sovereignty over the said Islands,
1. Invites the Governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to proceed without delay with the negotiations recommended by the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem, bearing in mind the provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV) and the interests of the population of the Falkland Islands (Malvinas);
2. Requests the two Governments to report to the Special Committee and to the General Assembly at its twenty-first session on the results of the negotiations.”
Invites
Requests
1965
And we did too. Obeyed it fully. Sat down. Talked. Then you invaded.
I think you need a new Resolution :-)
and a diffrerent view of life,
Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0the truth perhaps .
Okay Raul, let me get this crystal clear......
Nov 17th, 2011 - 01:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You feel that because 30 Argentines who lived in the Falklands for a very, very short period in 1833 were (allegedly) removed from the Falklands in 1833 the current population of 3,000+ people, including many who have roots in the Falklands for the last 160+ years (including myself) and those who were born in the Falklands, should be removed. This removal will provide justice to those 30 people who lived, but were not born, in the Falklands in 1833 (178 years ago) and will also allow Argentina to incorporate the Falklands Islands into its own territory. Is this assumption correct?
Also Raul, if Argentina did manage to gain control over the Falklands, would you move to the Falklands to live? Or is Argentina's claim not actually based on finding another area for Argentines to live and settle, but based purely on nationalistic pride?
If all those islander were to be removed, to provide justice to those who were their before them,
Nov 17th, 2011 - 06:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THEN surely, if you are going to be fair to everyone and justice for all,
The Argentineans should be removed to provide justice to the original inhabitants
Approx, a couple of million, who were forcibly removed in the 15/16 hundreds,
Including these thousands that were massacred and murdered,
Justa thought
.
40 Monty69
Nov 17th, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear Monty69
I understand your point of view and put myself in their shoes. It is true that with these actions we have taken does not make us very happy and friendly, but rather they hate us for having taken, as it disrupts their daily lives. I understand this situation.
But we also understand a little of our position, we have been forced to take these steps to enter peaceful pressure on reasons the government of Great Britain as they do not want to talk and negotiate the issue. You also have to consider our rights to see their own each other.
We had our times and suspended conciliatory resolutions at the UN in the 90's, in the government of Carlos Menem and Guido Di Tella. Such a practice of good neighborliness on the part of Argentina in 10 years did not have results for our claims of sovereignty, Britain is more fun of Argentina to reclaim our rights peacefully and timid, calling for the implementation of resolution 2065, as it did before the conflict 1982. We will not wait another 178 years and stand idly by and do nothing. We chose a peaceful method of coercion to be heard, as it tells us our constitution. (As an example, like a general strike of a guild or union to defend workers). Let's be clear the example.
41 Redhoyt
I can help
At last something positive! Redhoyt. If your government had the intention to help as you do, and the conflict had been resolved long before 1982.
So do we. Obeyed in full. He sat down. Spoken. Then invaded.
I think we need a new resolution :-)
Not fully obeyed, UK did not sit down to talk. Argentina got tired of waiting 149 years. You do not need another resolution. Must be met. Do not be afraid to dialogue.
43 M_of_FI
Excuse me but I need space. I answer in the next dialog.
43 M_of_FI
Nov 17th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In large part this assumption is incorrect, the Argentine government and people do not want to kill anyone. It does not cast anyone over and wants to continue living in the islands. With all due respect you are mistaken, Argentina is not the same as 1982. Again I repeat, Argentina No one wants to eliminate. Our country is a democracy and a constitution with separation of powers. (Executive, Legislative and Judicial) There are regular elections every 2 years and presidential elections every 4 years. Our Nobel Peace Prize Adolfo Pérez Esquivel supports Argentine claims. There are mayors, deputies and senators of English origin who also ruled in our country.
Long would return to describe the rights Argentinos. Part of Argentina's rights are based on the period in which the Argentines lived before 1833. Also supporting the Argentine claim other rights and legal facts based on historical context and social processes.
Action speaks louder than words,
Nov 17th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the actions of Argentina
Speak louder than her peaceful words
As the defender once said
Sir, you are a wolf in sheep’s clothing
And these lambs are not for the slaughter.
Justa thought..
.
As always, true to his style and thought.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 08:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Pathetic and sad commentary.
Always revenge, his poor soul.
Full of hatred and bitterness.
Makes you disservice to the British people, struggling for a better world.
Imitate John lenonn a bit and feel better.
Justa thought..
48 Raul
Nov 17th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0im after revenge how do you work that out,
your problem is you don’t like a fair argument against your point,
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the only disservice, is those who preach peace, to the world, and then, abuse insult threaten blockade pressure others to do their bidding,
get other countries to agree or else, you preach peace, but spit hate at the Falklands,
Yes we want a better world, and it would be better if you practised what you preached, instead of billitering those who give an alternative opinion,
,,,,,,,,,,,
think on that whilst you preach peace,
hatred is coming from you not me,
if Argentina [and you] wanted peace, you would withdraw your threats, and your silly claim, you would help them, trade with them, support them,, rather than try to persuade them you come in peace,
and I will repeat, so even you can understand,
action speaks louder than words,
a peaceful puts his peaceful action into words
an aggressive man, will put his words into action,
when you put down the aggressive action people may then start to listen,
Rather that dismiss those who put a point over,
just a peaceful point .
45 Raul
Nov 17th, 2011 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The trouble is, your nasty 'peaceful' methods are having just as little effect as your friendly peaceful methods.
In fact, they are having a negative effect because now all the young people who weren't even born in 1982 hate you as well.
The other bad effect is that you are setting yourselves up for failure. You must think you can win on some level, but we know you can't. So you lose face each time you try. And the harder you try, the more you fail. Sad, really.
Rolly - you are wrong. Britain and Argentina had talks from 1966 - 1981.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 11:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did not get what she wanted. But there were talks.
In frustration at not achieving sovereignty, Argentina invaded.
So that's all gone. 2065 is now irrelevant.
Argentina needs a new Resolution.
Old ones are not worth the paper they're written on!
48 Raul as you see,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0and all we do is point you in the right direction,
does that help you.
see how polite we are .
@46 - Raul
Nov 18th, 2011 - 01:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's funny. I never said kill. Funny how you immediately jumped to that assumption...
So are you saying that Argentina cant be held responsible for something that occurred 29 years ago where memories are still vivd and the results of which are still very evident in the Falklands. However, on the contrary and somewhat hypocritically, Britain has to be held responsible for something that occurred 178 years ago, which is based on very disputable and easily refutable evidence, and at a time where no one currently living who endured the so-called removal.
Has Britain not changed much in the last 178 years? Hasn't Britain allowed its Empire to visibly and practically break up?
To me this says, according to your twisted, contradictory and double standard logic, the rights of 30 people who lived 178 years ago and died 150 years ago are far more important than the rights of 3,000 people currently living and breathing.
I wont say I am sorry, but your argument is so contradictory and hypocritical, it is very hard to take seriously. Raul, it is full of double standards. You ask Islanders to forget what happened 29 years ago because that was in the past, but you then hold those very same people to events that you believe occurred 178 years against them. Can you not see your own hypocrisy?
Argentina is still not listed as a true democracy.
Nov 18th, 2011 - 01:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
@45Raul,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 05:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0“-we have been forced to take these steps to enter peaceful pressure, etc etc ad nauseum on the UK because they do not want to talk & negotiate etc etc”
peaceful pressure eh, Raul? but there is nothing to negotiate?
We are happy with what we own.
“-you have to consider our rights” wrong again, Raul.
You have NO rights here.
You cannot “reclaim” your “rights” here because as l pointed out to you, you don't have any & never have had.
“A peaceful method of coercion” eh, Raul? says it all, coercion.
So you've waited 178 or so years. Well bully for you.
We don't care how many years you wait, Raul.
You wait in vain.
“Peaceful words from the Argentine”
Nov 18th, 2011 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WE will disrupt you air links,we will disrupt your shipping, we will disrupt your telecommunications, we will disrupt your trading links, we will isolate you from the rest of South America and the world, well all them peaceful words have got you no were, and they never will,
Some Peaceful words from the Falkland Islands
We have no wish now or ever to be a part of the Argentine, you may try to disrupt anything you like it will just go on making us stronger, so just remember for every action there is a equal and opposite reaction.
Unasur is just a paper tiger
Nov 18th, 2011 - 05:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0M_of_FI 53 (#)
Nov 18th, 2011 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's funny. I never said to kill.
To me it is not funny, it's funny how you interpret it, plus what you wrote.
.... Should be removed. This removal Will Provide justice to Those Who Lived 30 people, But Were not born, ..
It warned that the translation of the word ... removed ... the Spanish-language translate takes as deleted or killed ...
Britain has to be responsible for something that happened 178 years ago, which is based on highly questionable evidence and refutable, easily, and at a time when nobody alive today ..
This completely and profoundly wrong, the story is judged in its historical context and social process. For nothing is hypocritical, UK is responsible for the dispossession of what happened 178 years ago, there is the memory of a people and historical documentation. Do not get me wrong but their reasoning is Nazi and fascist. With your thinking is justifying the killings done by the Nazis and Fascists in the twentieth century and Britain in Africa, America and Asia. For you, the dead do not talk. With the Argentine military thought would be happy with you because justify the 30,000 disappeared.
... The rights of the 30 people who lived 178 years ago and died 150 years ago are much more important than the rights of the 3,000 people living today.
Of course, if, as they were evicted from their land, are more than 30, Go and check with United Nations and consult the documentation for the Falklands conflict, the Committee on decolonization, who are scholars of colonialism and have authority on the subject. It's called justice.
... but then keep the same people that you think the events that occurred 178 years against them. Can not see your own hypocrisy?
Argentina has been claiming the theft 178 years ago and also had four British invasion with their crimes. What you call that you?
Wear shoes Argentines to judge. Have ears and do not want to see, view and do not want to see. Can not really see your own hypocrisy?
58 Raul you are really pushing the boundaries of codswallop
Nov 18th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Next you be telling us, that France really owns England as William, did lands here and built a castle,, utter rubbish .
51 Redhoyt
Nov 18th, 2011 - 07:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never answer because I said Rolly. My name is Raul, have the courtesy to answer this question.
So everything is gone. 2065 is now irrelevant.
Argentina needs a new resolution.
The old are not worth the paper they are written!
For You as it should be the new resolution?
54 Redhoyt Argentina is not yet listed as a true democracy
Thanks, I read your link. It is quite interesting. Do you accept constructive criticism?
You are too pretentious. No democracy is perfect. Does yours is?
Observe what happens in the U.S. and Europe. The movements of “Wall Street takes” and the indignant in Spain and Britain says something. People are angry with their democracy for its corruption and lack of social justice.
57 expatriates
UNASUR is a paper tiger.
I disagree, it is strengthening.
Avoiding war promoted by the U.S. and England between Venezuela and Colombia. Kirchner's mediation was essential.
The intervention of Michael Bachelet, Lula Da Silva, Nestor Kirchner and other South American presidents avoided coup in Bolivia (Case of the Half Moon).
Prevent war between Colombia and Ecuador by guerrillas of the FARC in Colombia.
Unfortunately he could not help Honduras coup promoted by the United States.
Is not that enough all this ... ...
59 British
Sorry, could not understand anything. Would have the kindness to express themselves better. Thank you.
You understood,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The day will come when Argentina will understand that she cannot have it both ways,
the day will come, when she realises that she must withdraw her false claims,
And join the rest of the free world; you have no claims, no legality and no rights over the islands
Let the Falklands live in peace, without all these threats hanging over her, from a bully.,
Dear British:
Nov 18th, 2011 - 10:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Owe the express intention of education.
In the post 47 you talk about the actions speak louder than thousand words and we are wolves in sheep's clothing.
Previously, you had written:
You have been warned
we have constantly said, that if you keep pushing and pushing
Argentina could have, what we least expected it, and suffer the consequences ”in the coming decades, which may be better, except the status quo to be sent to the broker in the gutter with white flags between his legs, and laughed in the world [ new]
Just thinking
I replied that it was pathetic and sorry your comment calling for violence and terrorism and have no fear of its threat as they did with genocide and terrorism as the one carried out in Libya, Afghanistan and Iraq. Argentina already had four English invasion and (1806-1807-1833 - Forced Return of 20/11/1845.
Are you responsible for it these four British invasion?
Who is the wolf in sheep's clothing in 500 year history?
We do not seek revenge, much less expulsions. The Argentine's claim of strict justice. We have no weapons or want to have. The parallelism of the civil rights struggle led by Luther King in the U.S. or Perez Esquivel (Nobel Peace Prize) in their struggle for human rights against the military dictatorship and the demands of dialogue in the Falklands conflict is similar to conducting our people and has established as a state policy in our constitution.
Let the Malvinas live in peace, without all these threats to her from a bully.,
We just claim what belongs to us. Britain currently with the United States is bullied the world. (Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.) Is that your free world? Please begin you to change if you intend to switch to the other. Start fulfilling Resolution 2065 to demand change. The world is waiting for that change.
Nice to see you pick quotes from, i have never threatened, mealy warned
Nov 18th, 2011 - 10:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What i believe to be true, Argentina is a bully, you keep on pushing, you insult [not you but Argentina]
The Falklands, you threaten the Falklands you abuse the Falklands, you blockade the Falklands, you get others to do your dirty work for you, you pressure other countries to deny entry to the UK and Falklands,
You demand the Falklands,
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now if im wrong about this, then I apologise, if people think I say rubbish crap, and Argentina has never done these things I mention above, then I get on my knees and say sorry,
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Now tell me you have never said bad things to other British bloggers ,never rude to the Falklands people,
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I only speak what im feeling, and I think this situation, will sooner or later go bang,, everywhere Argentina goes, everyone she bumps into, she tell abhorrent lies about the British and the Falklands, and she demands the lot,
Am I lying///you tell me.
Malverino has just stated that Argentina was and is very innocent, ??,
mmmmmmmmmm
Rolly - you are learning.
Nov 19th, 2011 - 12:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0A Resolution that is written in general terms and used, gets to remain in force. One that's written in specific terms and which is no longer relevant - destroyed by events, is not valid any more.
2065 is a perfect example of a Resolution whose effect was destroyed by the actions of the parties. We negotiated as it said, Argentina went to war - goodbye 2065 !
You still seem stuck with Argentina's myth of 1833 however, which is surprising when the truth lies in Argentina's own archives.
“1833 – ...
On January 5th, the Sarandi evacuates the garrison together with two of Vernet’s settlers, Joaquin Acuña and Matthew González, and their wives.
Onslow persuades some twenty-four of Vernet’s settlers to remain
January 10th, the small British forces, leaves.
....
José Pinedo records in his ship’s log, the names of those he has brought back from Puerto Louis;
“Capt. D. Juan Antonio Gomila, Miguel Hernandez and his wife Maria Romero, Sgt. Santiago Almandos Almonacid, Soldiers: José Barrera, José Gómez, Manuel Francisco Fernández, Toribio Montesuma, Jose Soto, José Rodríguez, Juan Castro and his wife Manuela Navarro, Antonio García, Juan J. Rivas and his wife Maria I. Beldaño, Denis Godoy, Hipólito Villarreal and his wife Lucia Correa and two sons, Gregory Durán and his wife Carmen Manzanares, with two sons, Benito Vidal and his wife Maria Saisa. Daniel Molina. Settlers: Joaquín Acuña, his wife Juana, Matthew González, his wife Marica.
Aliens: José Viel, John Quedy, Francisco Ferreyra, plus 1 prisoner.”
Military prisoners removed on the Rapid are recorded as: Sgt. José María Díaz, Soldiers: José Antonio Díaz, Manuel Delgado, Mariano Gadea, Manuel Suares, Francisco Ramírez, ..”
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1833-1849/
62 Raul
Nov 19th, 2011 - 12:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your claim is not based on justice. It is based on pride and arrogance, mixed with a blind hatred of everything British.
Your insistence on our lack of human rights is pure racism, based on the fact that our ancestors were British and white.
Your references to Martin Luther King are truly disgusting. If you ever get your hands on the Falkland Islands you will truly know the meaning of a struggle for human rights. We will never give up fighting for our right to live under the government of our choice.
No-one could give a stuff about your constitution. We have a constitution too you know.
Talking about Constitutions -
Nov 19th, 2011 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.thedirtylaws.blogspot.com/
63 British
Nov 19th, 2011 - 03:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now if I'm bad at this, so I apologize if people think I say shit trash, and Argentina has never done these things I mention above, then I get on my knees and apologize.
Dear British:
It's good to apologize, it indicates that you have self-criticism. It is true that beyond your beliefs, which are legitimate, you always generalized to all Argentines alike too many negative features. Leave this way, defend your ideas and beliefs without being insulting or disqualifications. Politeness does not so brave.
No need to kneel. No one has the absolute truth. Everyone has their point of view and truth that is the product of their education and culture in which it formed. In life you go sailing on balance of positive and negative taking into account the historical context in which he lived.
Now I say they have never said bad things to other British bloggers, never rude to the people of the Falklands
Not all Argentines are equal, not all Englishmen are equal. We can not judge everyone equally.
I can only vouch for myself, I have always tried to address with respect without falling into baseness, adjectives and disqualifications. I'm not perfect, I seek not to condemn anyone. Politeness does not so brave.
I only speak what my feeling, and I think this situation will eventually bang, and Argentina is everywhere, everyone runs into her abominable lies told by the British and the Falklands, and the demands of the lot,
Am I lying / / you say.
Malverino just said that Argentina was and is innocent?
No one has the absolute truth, Argentina and Great Britain are bumping together. UK does the same, he hides and does not comply with UN resolution 2065. No one is innocent. Argentina is not firepower. United Kingdom it is. Argentina has 201 years of history. UK has 500 years of history. Cristina Kirchner has set the conflict in the agenda of the gun world public opinion and consensus. This is no small thing. “He who is blameless and over throw the first stone.”
67 Raul
Nov 19th, 2011 - 04:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Almost everything you say is an insult to Falkland Islanders, and if you can't see that, then there isn't much point in apologising. Also, you don't have to use disrespectful language to show someone a lack of respect.
This is not about the UK; this is about Falkland Islanders and our right not to be abused, dominated or subjugated against our will.
What has ''Argentina has 201 years of history. UK has 500 years of history'' to do with anything?
This isn't about the great big bully Britain and poor little Argentina. It's about us, and until you admit that, there will be nothing for you; no negotiations, no resolution, no closure. Nothing but pain and humiliation.
''No one is innocent'' ?? Your wrong. Falkland Islanders are innocent.
51 Redhoyt
Nov 19th, 2011 - 04:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I never answer because I said Rolly. My name is Raul, have the courtesy to answer this question.
Are you afraid or embarrassed to answer? It's just a curiosity. If you do not mind starting today I will call “small Redhoyt” certainly will not feel bad.
Rolly - who is learning
“Small Redhoyt” Life is a learning experience, try not to lose my sense of wonder. If you start to worry about lost it.
A resolution is written in specific terms that are no longer relevant - destroyed by the events, no more valid.
2065 is a perfect example of a decision whose effect was destroyed by the actions of the parties. We have negotiated, as he said, Argentina went to war - Goodbye 2065!
It is totally wrong. More than ever, remains in effect. Read the following link:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuesti% C3% B3n_de_las_Islas_Malvinas
(...) Urges both parties to refrain from taking decisions that involve the introduction of unilateral changes in the situation while the islands are going through a process recommended in the aforementioned resolutions (...)
That prompted added that the UK voted against and was approved by 102 votes, with 32 abstentions.
Other similar resolutions were: 37 / 9 of the General Assembly, dated November 4, 1982 (37 / 9) adopted by 90 countries, 12 votes against and 52 abstentions, the resolution recognized that the war ended five months before did not alter the existence and nature of the dispute. Annually, the General Assembly and the Special Committee on Decolonization, continued acting in the same sentido.45
Still seem stuck with the myth of Argentina, 1833, however, which is surprising when the truth is found in Argentina's own files.
Sorry is not a myth really appreciate your work, I read your link, very interesting, I doubt whether Argentine archives. Anyway, your link is English which obviously argues for Britain, but I'm Argentine and I believe in the sources of information of my country.
69 Raul
Nov 19th, 2011 - 07:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What unilateral actions has the UK taken?
What process are theislands going through? I can't see any process.
at least you did not disagree with me,
Nov 19th, 2011 - 08:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but i am a great beliver in fate,
and events around the world, may/may not solve this for you,
but i fear the out come will not go argentines way,
just a thought,
Little Rolly - if 2065 was still alive and well, then we'd be under pressure to follow it. It isn't. It's dead. Killed by Argentina's invasion of 1982.
Nov 19th, 2011 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Britain is under no pressure.
You have a better chance by referring to the Resolutions that came out of the General Assembly between 1982 and 1988.
But they stopped. Why?
Becase we had met the conditions that the UN wanted. Simple.
If we had not, then more Resolutions would have followed.
There have been none.
So no, Little Rolly, it is you that are wrong.
Resolutions can live or ..... rather obviously .... they can die :-)
Of course there are a lot of Resolutions that still live - the ones that allow the Islanders to exploit their natural resources for example !
Live and learn Rolly
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
Cue for an Argie to go on about “another nail”?
Nov 20th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raul,
Nov 20th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Unilaterial decisions?
Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands
Repudiation of the oil exploration agreement
Repudiation of the fishing agreement.
All Argentine unilateral decisions. In point of fact, Britain has not acted unilaterally per the terms of that resolution. Oil exploration was agreed with Argentina, it was Argentina that acted unilaterally by withdrawing from the agreement.
“Sorry is not a myth really appreciate your work, I read your link, very interesting, I doubt whether Argentine archives. Anyway, your link is English which obviously argues for Britain, but I'm Argentine and I believe in the sources of information of my country.”
Sorry but it is a myth, the so-called expulsion of 1833 DID NOT HAPPEN. So what evidence do you have?
If you care to go down to the Argentine National Archives, you will find the log of the Sarandi, which list the people who stayed in the islands. I am willing to wager a considerable sum that you will simply refuse to consider any evidence that contradicts the official Argentine Government endorsed distortion of history.
Who'll take that bet?
Anyone?
The nationalists put on the patriot record in 1982 and it is still stuck on play, while they pine for a lost war and military junta soaked in Argentine blood, they make excuses and say they had to kill the terrorists. For terrorists, read right wing government provocateurs about 100 dead to the tens of thousands murdered by their government, tortured, raped, kicked out of the back of aircraft over the sea. Operation Condor, the CIA's programme of political genocide in Latin America is now well documented but to our nationalists it is to be over looked, it doesn't exist, they can read the official documents but not see them. Show them the documents and they will see nothing. If it goes against their image of the heroic Argentine and the brave military struggle against the Amerindians, the political left and everyone else it isn't true. All across the internet, wikipedia, etc they edit anything critical of Argentina, the Conquest of the Desert read 1,500 Indians killed for attacking government troops and civilians, rather than the millions killed for no reason other than they were not European and not part of the system, everything is edited, changed, the truth becomes a lie. The Argentine right wing are a mind controller's dream come true!
Nov 20th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Again Raul, your argument is hypocritical. You want us to forget what happened 29 years ago, but then hold events that you believe happened 178 years against us.
Nov 20th, 2011 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I love your interpretation on human rights, the rights of those dead are more important than the living. You are making this too easy for me.
It is also quite amusing that you talk about the Nazis, considering your Government welcomed them with open arms when the fled Europe. Just remember who helped defeat the Nazis.
thee is an island 10 miles from the canadian coast ,called sint Pierre et Miquelon ,it belongs to France ,Canada never claimed the island ,
Nov 20th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0where 4000 people are living ,being their language French the same as Quebec.
will this be possible betwween the Falklands and argentina?
Raul, where art thou!? I would love a reply. I would love an explanation on why the human rights of the dead are more important than the human rights of the living. Unless those that are dead are zombies. I dont think the UN have anything in their charter about zombies. But I am sure you Argentines will make something up!
Nov 22nd, 2011 - 11:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0I look forward to your reply.
76 y 78 M_of_FI
Nov 22nd, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Raúl Again, your argument is hypocritical. You want us to forget what happened 29 years ago
His hatred and resentment, you can not see the historical context of the conflict and its social processes. His argument is really hypocritical, we never forget our heroes of 1982 and British fighters. Our constitution clearly says. They were victims of English Imperialism and the earthiness of state conditions in Argentina. We do not want to forget the conflict, however, do not forget the historical context. England needed a war to save the government of Margaret Thatcher.
You are making this too easy for me.
Anytime you very burlesque on something as serious and delicate, for you is easy and fun because it has a Nazi or fascist thought and justifies terrorism with ease. The Argentine military of 82 would be happy with you.
Given his government welcomed them with open arms as they fled Europe. Just remember who helped defeat the Nazis.
Have to study history. United States and Britain helped many more, which is served if intelligence and technology, who came to Argentina. You should know that I improved.
The human rights of the dead are more important than human rights of the living.
Actually you are completely ignorant on the subject, disservice done to the British organizations with International Anmisty fighting for them.
If you have a critical mind at least, I recommend you read the page of Perez Esquivel and Serpaj. There's the explanation for why the human rights of the dead and the living are important.
http://www.adolfoperezesquivel.org/?page_id=90
http://www.adolfoperezesquivel.org/?page_id=90
I dont particularly understand what point you are trying to make, in regards to the Falklands War. Argentina never forgets its 1982 heroes? They certainly swept them under the carpet and treated them very poorly indeed.
Nov 22nd, 2011 - 06:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I couldnt careless what Argentina says in its Constitution. Only whats in my country's constitution.
I cant say I enjoy your inane interpretation that I am a fascist. I find that highly offensive. On the contrary, I consider your country a fascist state. One that tries to colonise another against their wishes. And seeing as your “elected” leader is doing a fine job in controlling the media and milking the government's coffers dry.
Raul, history is one of my favourite subjects and I have studied history at various educational levels, receiving very high marks, particularly when it comes to German history. So please dont belittle me when you know very little about me. Those Nazis who went to USA and Britain served a purpose, no matter how unethical the process was. Argentina welcomed the Nazis with no other motive but to support its fellow fascists (e.g. ideological soulmates).
I might be completely ignorant on the subject of human rights for the dead, but you are completely ignorant on the rights of the Falkland Islanders, and how we run our country.
I take this debate very seriously, I just dont take your arguements very seriously as they try and deny my human rights, which is something I take very seriously.
What are your views of the European settlers in Argentina killing the native indians to conquer the land? I assume you believe that is perfectly alright, but that provides you with a home and land.
80 M_of_FI
Nov 22nd, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What are your views of European settlers in Argentina killing the native Indians to conquer the land? I guess I think it is perfectly correct, but it provides a home and land.
No killing is justifiable, please ....
You have not read the link. There's the answer you're looking for.
With all the respect you deserve, Please read the link
www.adolfoperezesquivel.org/?page_id=90
www.serpaj.org/
79 Raul
Nov 22nd, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0With all the respect you deserve, you are a pompous ass.
The 'historical context' you are dealing with is the generation of islanders, now coming into their own, who were children in the conflict and can remember Argentine soldiers pointing guns at them, who can remember being imprisoned in their houses and having their houses searched by soldiers.
You might think that you can write off the events of 1982 as something carried out by someone else, but to us they were just Argentines.
Your government's hard line treatment of us now just feels like more of the same.
I've noticed that Argentine visitors here have no understanding of how islanders feel towards them. A group wanted to come here on a day trip and were expecting villagers to meet them at the plane, give them a cup of tea and drive them around. When it was represented to them that they woud be walking and thirsty, they didn't come.
What you don't understand is that you are the enemy, and you will be until you amend your constitution and leave us in peace.
The victims of 1982 were victims of your ambition and insane nationalistic pride, and you are an insult to their memory. You did the invading.. How many would have died if you'd staye at home? That's right, none.
l agree with everything that Monty says. You have very short memories indeed.
Nov 23rd, 2011 - 07:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Take “THAT” item out of your constitution, drop your ridiculous“claims” , then its possible that you will be welcome.
There is NO OTHER way.
Now there was me thinking it was the Argentines that had wiped out the Indians !
Nov 23rd, 2011 - 08:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0With all the respect you deserve, you're a pompous ass.
Nov 23rd, 2011 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ha, ha, ha, ha ... ..
What happened? !!!!!!!!!!
He got nervous! Do the arguments ended and start name-calling and insults?
Pathetic and pitiful thing, do not know have a conversation without being insulting.
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