MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Strong support in Caribbean countries for Falklands’ right to self determination
Falkland Islands lawmakers said on Tuesday they found a very positive attitude from Governments and civic leaders in support for self-determination in all non-independent territories during their current round of visits to Caribbean independent countries. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesReally? look about Saint Kitts and Nevis and Antigua and Barbuda, both have isabel II as queen, so its not new this posture, i like how sensationalist is the title, caribbean jaja The Caribbean have a lot of countries not only that ones and if you look well they ever support the fake self determination because they have isabel II as queen...
Nov 15th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0now with this they defeat argentina cueck JAJA
I agree with you Searinox...I prefer to have the support from countries like Brazil(A Power),CHile,Uruguay,China,USA,Venezuela,Russia,etc.....
Nov 15th, 2011 - 08:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares about those insignificances????
1 Searinox
Nov 15th, 2011 - 10:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We don't need to defeat Argentina, we already did.
2 Malvinero1
You missed out a word.....'I would prefer the support of Brazil, Chile, Uruguay'. Let us know when it happens.
both of you,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 11:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isabel II as queen, now they defeat argentina,
i think your history books are very wanting ?
both of you,
Nov 15th, 2011 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0isabel II as queen, now they defeat argentina,
i think your history books are very wanting ?
2 Malvinero1
You missed out a word.....'I would prefer the support of Brazil, Chile, Uruguay'. Let us know when it happens.
MONty: AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
The British lion south of the border is looking more than a tad scrofulous these days.
On 29 July in the wake of a meeting between Argentinean President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner and Brazil’s Dilma Rousseff in Brasilia, the pair issued a joint communiqué in which Brazil reaffirmed its support for Argentina’s claim to the Falkland islands, which Buenos Aires refers to the as Malvinas.
Brazil reiterated its intention of banning all Falklands’ flagged vessels from calling at Brazilian ports and described as “illegal” the current British oil exploration in the Falkland Islands’ territorial waters.
http://oilprice.com/Geo-Politics/South-America/Brazil-Reiterates-Support-for-Argentina-over-Falklands.html
AHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH!monty: You are a LIAR!
so are you
Nov 15th, 2011 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0july was yesterdays news,
today brazil has changed its mind,
Malviner - let us go through your so called supporters
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil - provided port facilities for the Ocean Guardian and continues to be a stop over for supply ships invovled in the FI drilling. Also lands fish from ships licenced in FI waters. Provides air passage for the oil charter from Miami.
Chile - continues to trade and provide logistical support to the FI
Uruguay - hmmm, just been visited by a FI representative and will be currying trade in meat and wool.
USA - US owned rig operating in the FI.
China - holds bonds of Singapore Investment Group which owns a chunk of Rockhopper Exploration.
Venezuela - an economic basket case with no power and no tangible way to threaten the UK. They are as you say it, insignificant.
Russia - never heard of them taking any action against the UK with regards to the FI. More important things to concern themselves with than you bunch of failures (like trading energy with the UK for starters).
So in fact more of the counties you listed have taken actions in support of the UK and the FI. If you belive they are actually supporting you then you have pretty low standards.
All this help and information to help you guys,
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0We really are good to you lot aren’t we .
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Another nail in the coffin of Argentina's support :-)
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0@2
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0”I agree with you Searinox...I prefer to have the support from countries like Brazil(A Power),CHile,Uruguay,China,USA,Venezuela,Russia,etc”
If what you call what those countries are doing is supporting you then we don't have anything to worry about.
Hello everyone!! Sometimes i get the feeling that most people participating here are...well..teenagers...so in order to have a better appreciation of your thoughts i would like to ask whether you could add your age to your posts. I think this information would benefit mutual understanding.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 01:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0I would also like to say that i do not consider teenagers thoughts as being unimportant or unrealistic.
JB, 25, Rio Grande, Argentina
56 ..... going on 14 :-)
Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0@11
Nov 16th, 2011 - 07:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0I will tell you my age, if you cut your head off and count the rings
@11JB,
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Guess!
@5 Malvinero1,
Finger still stuck to the keyboard eh,signor?
Typical Argentine attitude, small nations are“insignificances”.
Since your whole rant is flawed, YOU are the LIAR.
5 Malvinero1
Nov 16th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0I'm not a liar. These countries all say they support a negotiated settlement, and even that isn't the same thing as supporting Argentina. They say it because talk is cheap and because Argentina is in a position to bully and threaten them over certain issues. They then go and do what they like and secretly hate you.
If that's the sort of relationship you want with your neighbours, then fill your boots.
I am as old as my tongue and a little bit older than my teeth.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0The problem here is that some Argentines are inculcated with the belief that their government is telling them the truth. All part of the fascist/peronist model. Isolation from reality and then tell the people what they want to hear.
their government is telling the truth all part of fascist peronist model....
Nov 16th, 2011 - 10:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0jajaja brit girls you make me laugh..........i dont wnat to be rude but get your facts right as you say
if there is aliar hiding information and confusing it is your little isle country........i havent seen the lot of propaganda your media usually makes with the violation of Khadafi that is in a video and with the thrown of a second floor of the un ambassador of Khadafi....because is not good for your classmedia to get know that with your invasions nothing of the peace you say you fight for never but never comes and today Libya is a carnage worst than before. the distortion machine of your press is great.
And talking about the isles we know perfectly the history, without the distortions you make.
and you Elaine that said that Evita was egocentric or sth like that because she didnt want to make a histerectomy, thing that is not true, shows you dont Know political matters of argentina political governments and governors. Peronism is a popular government not fascists.
and if caribbe is supporting uk, no more caribbe then. finish caribbe. margarita isles, punta cana too?? i ve never heard of that isles they are mentioned here.
Mad'un - its quite obvious that you have little idea about history. All that brainwashing when you were at school doesn't help.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0And WE are a peaceful people - its the ones that annoy us that get no peace :-)
Malen, I have heard all about Argentine's version of Falklands history. I have also heard all about how the UN believes the Falklands people do not have the right to self-determination. Both statements coming from Argentine posters. However, every time one of these statements are made, I have never, ever, once seen any shred of evidence or sources to actually back up the statements. And when asked for evidence and sources, the individual who made the statement doesn’t respond.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is clear to me that when you make statements, you need proof to back them up, particularly when it is to do with events occurring 200 odd years ago. The version of history I believe is full of sources and proof of the statements made, from official documents, diaries, accounts and publications, mostly from Argentine archives. This is something the Argentine version truly lacks, and without it, does not stand up against any criticism. That is how recalling history works. Without sources and evidence, it is just someone (or some country) making up a story for their own benefit.
Peronism was developed from a fascist model. It might be dressed up with another name but that is the root of Peronism. It may have adapted but it has not grown so far from the roots.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 017 malen
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0''i ve never heard of that isles they are mentioned here''
Well, we already knew you were an ignoramus. You should have spent less time at school learning lies about the Falkland Islands.
Why don't you post us a link to the 'Carnage in Libya being worse than ever'. I can only find 13 deaths in a scuffle that's over now.
You sound like you actually want Libya to turn into a bloodbath, and that's a bit sick in the head.
You don't make me laugh. You make me glad that your country will never have any say in our future.
Searinox- Please answer me this questionwith one of these 2 words- YES - or NO:
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are Canada and Australia and New Zealand INDEPENDENT Nations?
They all have the Queen as their Head of State as well.
If you do not answer then we will assume that you know and accept that you are a Dumb Idiot.
so are you
Nov 16th, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0july was yesterdays news,
today brazil has changed its mind,
AHAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
briton: YOU ARE A clown!!
I feel sorry for a lot of the Argentine people, the country is turning in on it's self, there own people don't want there money they are changing it for dollar’s just as fast as they can, there so called friends are turning there backs on them, and the more there government go's on trying to isolated the Falklands the stronger they get, you can rewrite history as much as you like but that will not change it, think it's time that most of the argi bloggers started to chill out, grab a mate put on a football DVD and watch a rerun of Uruguay kicking your ass. so chill out before some one comes and takes a Goose Wing to your ass.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stuck keyboard again Malvinero1 ? too much hand to gland combat, whilst watching youtube clips of the“ sinking” of the Invincible no doubt
Nov 16th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Chile, at least, is keeping the airbridge with Falklands Islands, is receiving their ships to be refitted at the shipyards and when we have our national holidays or international events, we are sending them supplies and a lot of Chileans are working there. Personally, I have a lot of Islander friends that I see when they visit us at Punta Arenas.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 02:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In the other hand, Chile has a lot of business in common with Argentina as well as we had a lot of problems with this country becauseit doen´t respect it word. I have a lot of Argentines friends that I see when thay come here or when I go there, most of them are not interested on the Falklands/Malvinas issue.....and none of them has told me that want to live on the islands.... of course....!!!
So, Chile support both countries because both of them are friends of us....
BTW, 11@ JB I´m 59 years old.......so a lot of road walked.
tuck keyboard again Malvinero1 ? too much hand to gland combat, whilst watching youtube clips of the“ sinking” of the Invincible no doub
Nov 16th, 2011 - 03:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAA!
Do you think I care about you,sticky?
Stick your queen,sticky!
Coherent, logical and relevant Malvinero. It is always a pleasure to read your posts.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 04:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@16
Nov 16th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Isolation from reality and then tell the people what they want to hear....” Is that the model of any government? If the Feds are telling me one thing, for sure, I will do the opposite.
Coherent, logical and relevant Malvinero. It is always a pleasure to read your posts.”
Nov 16th, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you very much Mof fi!!!
20 ElaineB (#)
Nov 16th, 2011 - 05:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have a total lack of Peronism. It is a popular national movement was the victim of state terrorism of the military influenced by the U.S. and England. This is demonstrated by the fact that in the last election won by 54%. Taking as a candidate for President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner.
It has a strong identification of the popular anti-imperialist struggle for human rights.
I recommend the following link.
http://www.pj.org.ar
#1
Nov 16th, 2011 - 06:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who the hell is Isabel II
My pleasure Malvinero...........
Nov 16th, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is it me or does Malvinero think I am being sincere?
@1 Who's Isabel II? The Head of State for Anguilla & Barbuda and St Kitts & Nevis is Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@2 Not too much support now from Chile or Uruguay. As they recognise your imperialistic aims.
@5 When was the last time you saw a Falklands-flagged vessel? Dim Argentine. Sorry, not dim. No light at all.
@17 When will you be posting something intelligent and intelligible. Sorry, I forgot, you're Argentine. No chance of either.
@31 And your alternative, after the covert Kirchner suppression, intinidation and murder, was who?
There is a solution to this problem. Is there anyone, anywhere in the world, who wouldn't welcome the opportunity to immolate an Argentine every day?
Finally Mercopress writes correctly the headline of an article.
Nov 16th, 2011 - 08:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0¨Strong support in Caribbean countries“...too bad many readers interpret it as if it was ¨Strong support FROM Caribbean countries”....not the same...
In opposition, Antigua and Barbados, Saint Kitts and Nevis and Dominica, plus Belize, Bahamas, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, have all backed Argentinas claim regarding Malvinas at the Cancun Summit of the Rio Group in 2010. They have also agreed to form a new body, the Community of Latin American and Caribbean States, to push for deeper integration within the Americas. Oh, and by the way, these countries are also full members of the Commonwealth of nations. Quite a support aha?
Support in vs Support from!
23 Malvinero1
Nov 16th, 2011 - 08:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
rriton: YOU ARE A clown!!
I am so very upset at your provocation, definitely provocative if ever I saw one,, all those naughty guy on here insulting poor MALVINERO, and you pick on little old Briton, a kind and honest gentleman,
But as your speaking skills are well below our usual standards on here, we then have to assume you are a lost child screaming for his mummy,
Its not, [AHAHHHHHHHHH briton: you are A clown]]
Its,, Malvinero1 being a very naughty uneducated indoctrinated and un-ruly little child,
Now go home, or we will report you to GEO the nursery teacher, tut tut
Silly child ???
,
Nothing like a good national movement Rolly - first thing, every morning - nothing like agood regular movement in fact !
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0JB, if you had the support you presume, you'd have achieved something by now.
You haven't :-)
Now go home, or we will report you to GEO the nursery teacher, tut tut
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Silly child ???
OK racist cheetah!!
You are soo pathettic nazi clown!!
'All part of the fascist/peronist model'. Elaine #16, 20
Nov 16th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I know a US president called Peron/Peronism fascist - and he really believed this, but is there more to Peronism?
One poster likened Peronism to the UK Labour Party.
It seems to be a bit like a “Chimaera”, a chamaeleonic 'all things to all people', without any pretence at having a core, guiding philosophy.
If a country is ruled through principles that are without principle, then what is a Constitution worth?
Can anybody, within or without the nation, have any faith in anything such a nation says or does?
Surely there must be SOME guiding principles rooted in integrity.
38 Malvinero1 pathettic nazi racist cheetah
Nov 17th, 2011 - 12:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0sticks and stones from a dilinquent little child,
go away child and grow up.
God save us from Cammeron, from the Warriors that lead this ancient Empire that is finally and slowly comming to its end, from the stupid excuses to cause war and to send public money to the “Security Sistems” in societies like the british and the northamerican one.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 02:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0How can the british conservative forces talk about helping self-determination when they have forced Latinamerican countries to come into war between each other like in the War against Paraguay??
Where was the support from the British Empire for self-determination of Paraguay in the XIX Century when this little country was starting a process of independent industrialization?
Since when the UK goes around the world taking care of islands?? I think they only care about resources, about military bases, about these things...
And appart from this... I believe this announcement of support from this Caribbean little colonized islands is a provocation strategy to change Argentina's peaceful but constant position, to change this situation of more and more societies around the globe supporting Argentina's position. The UK doesn't care and doesn't need diplomacy from the Caribbean, this is not the game they can win, and it never was. The only game they can do is the one where an Empire imposes respect spreading fear and threatening with Weapons of War.
THE UK laughs at the UN and never cared about this kind diplomacy. Since when the UK goes around the world asking leaders their opinion??
Let's put things in its context please, and BACK TO REALITY...
This is reality. Where are you?
Nov 17th, 2011 - 03:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self-determination came about as the resultob the debates of 1945 ..... not 1845 !
So tell me, which game is the Uk losing ??
I should point out that the UK isn't talking to people in the caribbean. The Falklanders are. Different People ;-)
As british as a londoner, there you have the “difference”. UK is loosing no game, is just loosing positions at diplomacy, and it has been loosing positions for the last years.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 06:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Forget about Argentina, what about the rest of the world? What is the message that the UK policy gives to the rest of the countries?? “We are not done yet with colonialism”? That's the message? the word TERROR really suits this policy, specially after so many threatening declarations from Cammeron's government about the “weapons that The UK has”.
Maintaining an imperial army is not cheap, and unfortunately the british workers pay it while their government cuts off their incomes. Use that money to give british workers what they deserve and let the rest of the world out of Europe in PEACE. Accept DEMOCRACY, HUMAN RIGHTS, DIPLOMACY and REAL FREEDOM. Come on! No more Royal Wedding Circus. I am proud to be represented by a president like the one we have in Argentina right now, who was born in a common neighborhood, studied at the same public university like me and does not forget where she came from.
Stop buying nationalistic trash.
No more threatens PLEASE. The world will be safer when the UK empire finally looses its last strengh.
vermin - the message we are sending out is that the British people support the rights of non-self governing territories to determine their own future.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 08:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, on the other hand, is seeking to colonise a land they've no rights to at all !
I think this is excellent news.The Malvinenses who dont like the way the World is going will have somewhere nice and warm to worship their queen in the near future.An excellent solution is appearing
Nov 17th, 2011 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong all around O gara.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 11:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0We are staying, we own this land.
You donot & we will worship who we please & its got nothing to do with you or your silly country.
Clear enough?
Fermin #41, you are mistaken.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Paraguayan War was a military conflict in South America fought from 1864 to 1870 between Paraguay and the Triple Alliance of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay.
Paraguay's industrial and military growth required more efficient contact with the international market, but Paraguay was a landlocked country. Its ports were river ports and ships had to travel down-river to the Atlantic.
President Solano López intended capturing a slice of Brazilian territory that would link Paraguay to the Atlantic coast.
During the 1960s and 70s social-historians claimed that the Paraguayan War was caused by 'pseudo-colonial influence' of the British,who were in need of a new source of cotton.
Other historical research showing it was a 'domestic' matter.
Since 1990, the claim of British influences has been laid to rest by several definitive works of history. [See: SALLES, Ricardo. Guerra do Paraguai: Memórias & Imagens. Rio de Janeiro: Bibilioteca Nacional, 2003]
Some 90% of the Paraguayan population died at the hands of the Argentinians, the Brasilians and the Uraguayans -
- one of the most effective genocides the world has ever seen,
and one that makes today's Mercosur partnership of these four nations somewhat more difficult than it needed to be.
I think the Argentine history books must be stored in the Fiction section of the library.
Nov 17th, 2011 - 04:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0HMS Enterprise is heading to the South Atlantic
Nov 17th, 2011 - 07:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0navynews.co.uk/archive/news/item/2661
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@47GeofWard,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 06:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0l read somewhere that Paraguay encouraged emigration after that war & today there is a large population that are descended from Australian settlers.
lts coming back to me now, the ship that they arrived in was called “The British Tar”
Do you suppose that they have completely assimilated into the local population or do some of them speak 19th century English?
Now l know where my next holiday will be!
Geoffrey really you will have to be more careful with your reading when your Bradilian hosts are giving you strange things to eat and drink.Only the Englush ever managed to kill 90% of the locsl population in ethnic cleansings
Nov 18th, 2011 - 07:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0@50,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0think it might have been called “The Royal Tar”.
not sure, will google it later.
No, O'G,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 05:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0there was one genocide that killed 100%, some 5,000 Tasman aboriginals, though larger numbers of Australian aboriginals died as a result of black-white (therefore genocidic) conflict.
The literature places responsibility on 'The Australians', whose Government have accepted responsibility, officially apologised, and reparations have at last been given.
So, we must consider the South American situation as akin to the Australasian situation:
Were the australasian aboriginals killed by the the Australian whites or the British?
Were the Paraguayans in the Paraguayan War killed by the Argentinians/Brasilians/Uruguayans, or by the Spanish?
Do you really think the Spanish were responsible for the Paraguay genocide 1864-70?
If so, then your argument #51 may hold some truth;
if not, then the Argentinians/Brasilians/Uruguayans have a lot to answer for,
though, in truth, these were 'frontier territories' with a frontier mentality, where the rule of the gun prevailed at that time.
@39. Geoff, I have to admit I see some comparisons with New Labour under TB. : ) Shoot me if you like but didn't he spend far more money than he had buying votes, popularity and trying to please everyone? A narcissist is always a liability as a leader - though many are.
Nov 18th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think the Kirchner Peronists do much the same. They tell people what they want to hear like, “Let's take from the rich to give to the poor”! (They do the taking but not so much the giving). They might as well cry, “Do we all love kittens in a basket?”
They have no long-term economic policies other than robbing Peter to pay Paul when the bailiffs come round each Friday.
Hi Elaine,
Nov 18th, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Peronism like old Labour or Nu-Labour?
There is a similarity with the Brown terminal years especially, but only in that they both bought the people's votes.
This is nor restricted to Peronism, Labour or any other affliction.
Here in Brasil, votes are 'bought' by the highest offer of financial support to the poor and poorly educated.
Anything that uses other peoples money to make a high bid to the most numerous will likely maintain/win office as long as the offer is credible - and having done it in the past makes future offers more plausible.
It's only when the poor - through 'redistribution - become able to be taxed that they make decisions on their residual income rather than the size of the piece of cake being hung in front of their noses.
But they need educating to see the differences; a party that preaches education but practices un-education can ensure that the masses only ever see the cake dangling in front of them.
.. . . . read Labour, read Peronism, read Lulaism, . . . . . the list is 'without end.
And I still can't get a handle on the slippery concept of Peronism.
ermin - the message we are sending out is that the British people support the rights of non-self governing territories to determine their own future.
Nov 19th, 2011 - 12:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina, on the other hand, is se
AHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!
Nice joke,pirate brit!
Tell the chagossian,HK,austraslian,Irish,East Indian,people!!
lady bug: You are a CROOK!
@56 Malvinero1,
Nov 19th, 2011 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0What on earth are you talking about, my dear fellow?
Why do you call someone “lady bug?”
“Argentina is se”???????? que?
@55 I can see how it works. In SoAm countries the largest voting demographic is the poor so buy them. It is easy when people have nothing to offer a little and they are easily pleased. I don't blame them. When you live hand to mouth you can't afford to take the long-term political view. Or even a long-term view on anything. It is for that reason I have argued here before that politicians claiming to speak for the poor have no vested interest in the poor becoming wealthy.
Nov 19th, 2011 - 11:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0I once had a discussion with a fruit buyer from the US. We were both in Chile on business and were enjoying free cocktails in the hotel. She had been to visit some farms and packaging plants and started relating a complaint from the owners about the workers leaving their jobs to take seasonal work when it was wine harvesting time, “Just because that pays more”. She could not understand it. : ) Mind you, she didn't even know where Chile was.
It was a little more complicated in the case of TB. He had to promise everything to everyone and be everything to everyone. I swear that man would have sold his grandmother for candyfloss if it gained him a round of applause.
Out of all the countries in the world, I would *expect* the greatest support to come from the Caribbean - and from Micronesia.
Nov 19th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tiny island nations have the most in common with TFI.
Malvinero, its fermin ,
Nov 19th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can you define [pirate]
can you define [CROOK]
Or do you mean Blackbeard , and Capt. john crook
Justa thought.
Argentines seem to believe they have international support for their ambitions to become an Imperial power lording it over the Southern Cone nations via expanded “living space” to Terra del Fuego, the Beagle Channel, parts of the Chilean border, Paraguayan border, Uruguayan border, Falklands, South Georgia, South Shetland Islands, South Orkney Islands, British Antarctic Territory and Chilean Antarctic Territory.
Nov 20th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is the international community were almost 100% against Argentina in 1982, even Russia sided with Britain. It's a bit like Iraq's claims to Kuwait in 1990, the world including America paid lip service to Saddam Husain's demands. America even encouraged them [read wikileaks April Galespi and the Iraq conspiracy www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4680963 ]and then when they invaded the US turned on Iraq and unleashed the mother of all international military coalitions against the Iraqi military.
What I see in the case of Argentina, is a lot of lip service from the Southern Cone to Argentina's psychotic President in order to keep her quiet from her insane OCD preoccupation with some small islands and 3,500 people. But in the shadows I'm sure the clever people see this as a way to remove Argentina from the South American power equation. A future war with Britain, would now involve NATO and the EU as both recognise British sovereignty of the Falklands, indeed the Falklands are also part of the EU. An attack on the Falklands would be an attack on NATO, the same way 911 [false flag] was defined as an attack on not just America but NATO.
Argentina is a dangerous nationalistic country, that requires political reform and democratisation. Maybe it's defeat in the coming war with the UK and NATO will help reshape Argentina and knock some sense into them. I think this is where we are heading.
The nationalists put on the patriot record in 1982 and it is still stuck on play, while they pine for a lost war and military junta soaked in Argentine blood, they make excuses and say they had to kill the terrorists. For terrorists, read right wing government provocateurs about 100 dead to the tens of thousands murdered by their government, tortured, raped, kicked out of the back of aircraft over the sea. Operation Condor, the CIA's programme of political genocide in Latin America is now well documented but to our nationalists it is to be over looked, it doesn't exist, they can read the official documents but not see them. Show them the documents and they will see nothing. If it goes against their image of the heroic Argentine and the brave military struggle against the Amerindians, the political left and everyone else it isn't true. All across the internet, wikipedia, etc they edit anything critical of Argentina, the Conquest of the Desert read 1,500 Indians killed for attacking government troops and civilians, rather than the millions killed for no reason other than they were not European and not part of the system, everything is edited, changed, the truth becomes a lie. The Argentine right wing are a mind controller's dream come true!
Nov 20th, 2011 - 07:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Benito says @ #62
Nov 20th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“ If it goes against their image of the heroic Argentine and the brave military struggle against the Amerindians, the political left and everyone else it isn't true. All across the internet, wikipedia, etc they edit anything critical of Argentina, the Conquest of the Desert read 1,500 Indians killed for attacking government troops and civilians, rather than the millions killed . . . . . , everything is edited, changed, the truth becomes a lie. The Argentine right wing are a mind controller's dream come true! ”
Well, you can imagine, this statement needs to be tested!
I go to the usual Wiki-sources and find a deal of truth in Benito's claim.
It seems that the schizophrenia between the feelings for the gaucho and the feelings for the amerindian lead to some very careful editing-out of realities of the Conquest of the Desert.
Argentine Literature and the 'Conquest of the Desert', 1872-1896. Jens Andermann, Birkbeck College, is worth a read. (http://www.bbk.ac.uk/ibamuseum/texts/Andermann02.htm)
My usual source on genocides - Diamond, J. - puts a broad-spectrum figure on the amerindian genocide: between 10,000 and 100,000 were killed off, but, in this general text, there is no estimate of the % of the indiginous population that were exterminated; it could be 9% or 90%. any info would be appreciated.
Interestingly, Diamond ascribes the same range - 10,000-100,000 - to the murders of the military period of 1976-83, though this, of course, can not be called a genocide .
I go to the usual Wiki-sources and find a deal of truth in Benito's claim.
Nov 21st, 2011 - 03:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It seems that the schizophrenia between the feelings for the gaucho and the feelings for the amerindian lead to some very careful editing-out of realities of the Conquest of the Desert.
Never analyze the squizofrenia of the brits,Geof?
It is infinitely worse than the Argentines.....ask the Irish about that.....
Malvinero,
Nov 21st, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0from #63,
“there is no estimate of the % of the indiginous population that were exterminated; it could be 9% or 90%. any info would be appreciated”
I guess you can give me a ball-park figure, yes?
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