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Argentina sponsors a free movement of peoples’ area in Magallanes and Tierra del Fuego

Saturday, November 19th 2011 - 06:09 UTC
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Argentina announced its full support to make the tip of the South American continent ‘a free movement of peoples’ area’ that would include Chile’s Magallanes region in the extreme south of the country and Tierra del Fuego, shared by the neighbouring countries. Read full article

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  • stick up your junta

    That a boy Ginés , not Mentioned the Falklands once :-)

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 08:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    A great develoment for the people of Tierra Del Fuego.A tenplate for all forward thinking peoples.Are the Malvinenses of the same dsposition?

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 09:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • lsolde

    Who are they, Ogara?

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • RedBaron

    If Argentina really considers the Falklands to be part of Argentina, they should start by allowing free passage of the inhabitants to any country, including Argentina.
    It seems a bit perverse that the RGs want control over the Islands but that they won't grant entry to the 'mother country'.......Can't have your cake AND eat it !

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 10:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    I think you are really on to something there red baron.Let us be real democrats and allow free movement of people bewtween all the South American peoples includeing the Malvinas.

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 12:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    This looks like just another RG attempt to steal something......

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 01:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Gianni

    “Although there is no definitive date for the initiative” a news about something that may not happen

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 01:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    Well, it would be a good initiative to improve the passengers through the Tierra del Fuego Island and the continent, but it will help just the Argentines living there to go to the rest of their country, but for the Chileans it means nothing at all if it is not joined with the same treatment involving the passage of the Chileans through the Argentine Patagonia to comunicate our southern cities with the rest of our country.....As always, our neighbors tray to f**ck us with the “funnel law”..... the biggest end to them, obviously !!!
    What a template for the rest of Latam...
    Mr. Storaker, Magallanes Governor (not Mayor), would be too much careful with that kind of offers from the other side of the wire....

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 01:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    South America's mini-Schengen Agreement:

    “Argentina announced its full support to make the tip of the South American continent ‘a free movement of peoples’ area’ ”

    What happened to the Brasilian legislative agreement that people from the nations of the Southern Cone could move freely to Brasil and live in Brasil?

    It seems to me that these things are said and written with little understanding of the realities that pertain and the problems that ensue.
    See Sergio #8.

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 06:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    If Frank the Yank and the British servant Sergio V. are not happy is a wonderful idea for Chile and Argentina.

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Is a wonderful idea?? For Argentina maybe.... it would be theft by stealth.... what is it about RGs and stealing stuff??

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 10:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • JB

    @9 . The agreement with brasil and the rest of mercosur has been in fully effect for the last 4 years. Any citizen from mercosur can get inmmediate residence for any country within mercosur. The agreement is far from schengen, but it working very well, at least for argentina and brasil, which are the countries with largest intramigrants and tourist exchange.

    Nov 19th, 2011 - 11:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    Thanx, JB

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 12:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    '..... for the Almanza pass close to the Beagle Channel.
    The service has significantly been increased with the recent inauguration of a ferry between Puerto Williams and Ushuaia,”.

    a 3 days a week 28 pax ferry ( no cargo) in the austral summer...golly gosh....

    It must really stick in the craw of the RGs that they must pass through Chile to get out of TdF.

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 04:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    2 O gara
    You have a short memory- it is the Argentines that have stopped shipping links and charter flights between FI and South America. That doesn't seem very forward thinking now, does it?
    How can you have any kind of passage of peoples without ships and planes?

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 12:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    My comments is from a citizien from a Southern Chilean city as is Punta Arenas.....The agreement mentioned in the article doesn´t help us nothing at all to all people living in Southern Chile......just to the Argentine people living on the Argentine side of TDF.......and bobady can deny it....!!!!

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    nothing for the people of Isla Navarino either..... who needs Ushuaia when DAP are now operating one of their BAe 146s into Williams on a regular basis.

    A few more years and there will also be the road from the north to Dos de Mayo in Bahia Yendegaia...

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 04:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    15 Donegal man The Argentines would never stop the flights if free movement of people was allowed by the English forces

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 05:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    So now the RG thieves want to steal Cape Horn.......

    @18 Ogaga... you really do come out with some truly stupid stuff.....

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 06:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    There is already free movement of peoples throughout Mercosur. Any Brasilian is totally free to move to and live in BA or Patagonia or TdF.
    This is just an Argentinean request that they, the Argentinians, should be allowed to do the same in Chilean territory.
    At this rate they'll be claiming the right to do this in British territories.

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    For all posters, please read the following link (in spanish):

    http://www.laprensaaustral.cl/cronica/denuncian-tratos-brutales-y-vejatorios-a-camioneros-en-territori-7177

    No more comments needed about.....it´s totally clear that what what I have posted before is the real life.....the funnel law is ruling now as was doing before.....always the double standard.......

    It´s no possible to sign any treaty with the Argentine authorities because they are not reliables and won´t be ever...shame on them...!!!

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    I think it has a lot to do about allowing ships sailing to and from Ushuaia to pass through Canal Murray so Argentina could 'sell' trips around 'their' Cape Horn.

    Back in the days of Frey they reached an agreement with the RGs ... ferries from Ushuaia could land passengers at Puerto Navarino and ferries from Williams could call at Puerto Almanza.
    Chile honoured their side of the agreement but guess what?

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 08:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    News from la Provincia Antartica Chilena

    http://prensaantartica.wordpress.com/2011/11/18/la-anhelada-libre-circulacion-de-personas-entre-chile-y-argentina-cada-vez-mas-cerca/

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    18 O gara
    Falkland Islands immigration regulations are nothing to do with 'English Forces'.
    Anyway, I can't see it ever working here. It just isn't practical.
    I heard an interesting story about a group of Argentines who arrived in the Falkland Islands just yesterday. They hadn't bothered to book any accommodation in Stanley, the town with one hotel, and had to wait to clear immigration at MPA until they phoned around the guest houses and sorted something out. The LAN flight was waiting to take them away again if they hadn't found something.
    Amazing really, what were they planning to do? It's a bit cold for sleeping on park benches, even at this time of year.
    So no 'free passage', if only to save the idiots from themselves.

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 09:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    Argentine 2010 census

    40117096 total population
    1805957 total foreign born population (not just other SA countries)
    =4.5% of total

    Falkland Islands 2006 Census
    2955 total population
    211 SA born population
    = 7.1% of total population

    So, the Falklands have a greater percentage of SA born immigrants than Argentina has a percentage of total foreign born immigrants.

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 09:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    25 dab14763
    Can you check the same percentage on the Malvinas Government and English forces, and families, living there?
    Thanks

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • dab14763

    Marcos,

    they are British forces and families, not just English. And they are not included in the 2955 figure I gave above.

    Nov 20th, 2011 - 09:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    26 Marcos Alejandro
    What do you mean by the 'Malvinas Government'???
    Seriously, a third of the working population work for FIG, but there is no way you could work out where they come from by looking at the census. Very few are here on contracts.

    British forces stationed in the Falklands are not included in the census. Most stay only a few weeks and most don't bring their families.

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 01:04 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    28 Monty69
    “Most stay only a few weeks”
    Like many Kelpers?

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 06:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    Sorry, Marcos, I have absolutely no idea what you mean by that. I'm sure it must make sense to you on some level.
    Are you talking about us going on holiday for a few weeks in europe or South America? Some people are lucky and can do that.
    Actually, some well- off retired people can go abroad for longer in the winter, and why wouldn't you. Sadly, most of us have to work.

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 08:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Oh yes like Billy, he used to spend a “few weeks”(six months) abroad running the British colonial government in Malvinas from the French Riviera.

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    Cristina's daughter, Florencia, is living the great life in New York, and she doesn't give a f*ck about the people who can't go abroad for longer in the winter in Argentina, and why would she? She doesn't have to work.

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Monty69

    31 Marcos Alejandro
    That's right, and he found he couldn't, so he resigned.
    Bill was quite up front about his intentions when he stood for council, and people still voted for him.
    And do you know why they voted for him?
    Because he really, really, really hates Argentina and he's not afraid to say so.
    You can take from that what you will.

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    33 Monty69 I have to admit Billy is a smart man, only British with a brain's sheep will vote for a man living 13000 km away in sunny La Côte d'azur.

    Nov 21st, 2011 - 06:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Sergio Vega

    But the issue here was the free path through both sides of TDF....and not were some people use to live.

    Anyone has answered about my propostion that it must be acompanied by a real free path through Argentine territory for Chilean vehicules and passengers from and to Southern Chile....if not, it has not sense at all....and must be discarded. So simple like that....Stop to the funnel law.....

    Nov 22nd, 2011 - 03:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    Sergio, I understand your point. The article does mention 'the representative from the Chilean region of Aysen, Pilar Cuevas ' so maybe that is part of the deal.
    I imagine the most important thing would be the free movement of freight - 'in bond' so to speak - without aduana induced delays at the border. Isn't there meant to already meant to be free movement of people ... hence the Bolivian slums in Ushuaia.

    Nov 22nd, 2011 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Frank, You sound jealous of Ushuaia, Do you hate the competition?

    Nov 22nd, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    what is there to be jealous of exactly?

    Nov 22nd, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    http://www.turismoushuaia.com/es/galerias-de-imagenes

    Nov 22nd, 2011 - 10:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    No Cabo de Hornos?
    No TdF glaciers??
    And what is all this 'Fin del Mundo' non sense????

    All 3 of the above are Chilean..... live with it .....

    Ushuaia.... ? = Bolivian slums......

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Is beautiful on both sides of the border Frankie, remember you are the one who move from the north.

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 03:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • GeoffWard2

    #41, this is the first thing that Marcos and I agree on.

    It's a beautiful day-break! Trees in spring blossom and the birds singing . . .

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    There is nothing wrong with countries..... its the people in them.

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 03:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    That's right, go back to California :-))

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 05:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Frank

    you truly are a parrot of very little brain....

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 05:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Marcos Alejandro

    Coming from a person incapable of changing a lightbulb is a compliment.

    Nov 23rd, 2011 - 06:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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