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Chilean ‘Solidarity with Malvinas” group manifests public support for Argentina
A Chilean ‘Solidarity with Malvinas” group visited this week the Argentine legation in Santiago to meet Ambassador Ginés González Garcia and express their support for Argentina’s claim over the disputed Falklands and other South Atlantic islands. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThank you Chile!!!
Nov 24th, 2011 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.telam.com.ar/nota/8237/
I fear it's over islanders, things are getting a little rough down here. the best thing for you to do is pack your things and leave while there's still time, I'll send you a postcard, promised!!!
Nov 24th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQVLVMPxrE
And what are Chile going to do? Throw cows at us?
Nov 24th, 2011 - 07:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Niceee support!!!
Nov 24th, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 3 themselves
Nov 24th, 2011 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so the Chilean fuses, visit the gunpowder members,
Nov 24th, 2011 - 08:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone got a match.
Wake me when something important happens.
Nov 24th, 2011 - 08:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The end of colonialism is coming! Ho ho ho...!
Nov 24th, 2011 - 08:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to return the islands back to it´s owners is every time closer. :)
@7 When smthg important happens you´ll be awoken. Soon the tumbling down Empire will slap hard down deep loud and wake you up.
Time to return the islands back to it´s owners is every time closer
Nov 24th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If it makes you happy good luck to you, what a nob :-)))))
Another important step on the complete isolation of England in South America.Chiles exports to Argentina are growing almost 30% a year the days of South Americas nations ignoring each other are over
Nov 24th, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“They include former Chilean ambassadors in Argentina Juan Gabriel Valdés, Eduardo Rodríguez and Luis Maira; diplomats Luis Winter and Eduardo Guarachi; Socialist leader Jaime Gazmuri; Radical leader Mario Papi; the writer Antonio Skármeta; retired Admiral Cristián Millar Drago; businessman Juan Eduardo Errázuriz .......”
Nov 24th, 2011 - 10:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Antonio Skármeta................?
Long time no hear..........!
Un grande...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdR5Ip9cKsc
Some random group gives verbal support to Argentina and the Argie bloggers suffer premature ejaculation.
Nov 24th, 2011 - 10:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Union Flag flies over the FI and the drill bit keeps turning. There is nothing Argentina can do about it and nothing is going to change. “No hope” is the only hope that Argentina have.
He he!
@ 12 the union flag is just a piece of rag, all flags are.
Nov 24th, 2011 - 11:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 13 - So what? At least your rag is not flying over them and there is nothing Argentina can (or is willing) to do.
Nov 24th, 2011 - 11:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 014/10-10 will be commenced soon and then we can pack up and wait for the CPR :-)
Meanwhile Argentina continues fail to do anything.
Boring - just another interest group that Argentina has roused up. Probably turn to be as effective as the one in Mexico. Former Ambassadors to Argentina ... well, that explains a lot :-)
Nov 24th, 2011 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not that it'll make an ounce of difference.
So tell me, are there any 'anti-Argentine' groups in Chile?
;-)
To all those people bitching about colonial enclaves in South America and Colonial Daggers etc, may I ask what your position is on French Guyana? That other colonial enclave in South America. Do they have a problem with that, or is the “Colonial enclave” whine only an excuse to get territory which they have seen and fancied?
Nov 24th, 2011 - 11:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0talking of supportative groups :-)
Nov 24th, 2011 - 11:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/overseas-territories-consultative-council/
@ 17 man, you're getting support from the British Overseas Territories, what's so important about that? you are an embarrassment to us all, I thought you had a brain.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 016 a very valid point the French too need to be sent back to their little World
Nov 25th, 2011 - 12:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0ExBrain - as most of them are Carribean I figured even you could work out the advantage. Obviously not :-)
Nov 25th, 2011 - 12:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0the Chilean fuses, visit the gunpowder members,
Nov 25th, 2011 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone got a match
Uk is finished!!
No boody gives a dam about uk!!
If those Chilean scholars / academics are half the men that Think thinks they are, they'll see though Argentina's deception within a week.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 01:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0If those Chilean scholars / academics are half the men that Think thinks they are, they'll see though Argentina's deception within a week.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 02:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0uk is finished in the South Atlantic,ladybug!!
The inteligents brits,saw that some time ago.......
Wonder how much Argentina paid them to say that?
Nov 25th, 2011 - 09:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what they say, anyway.
@12Beef,
Stop it Beef, you're making me giggle.
Guess there's a lot of them with PE.
@15 Possibly - I remember one mate passing a comment to another about the physical qualities of a couple of vinamarineras who were passing by, but the reply was “pero andan con los ches en verano - wouldn't touch 'em with a barge pole” ... or would that be with a bargie pole ... Shudder!
Nov 25th, 2011 - 09:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Whatever way the Argie whingers try to spin this article let's look at what is does not say:
Nov 25th, 2011 - 11:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's NOT the Chilean Government saying this.
They are ALL OLD HAS-BEENS and have been out of office for a while now.
The colonial nonsense was spouted by an avowed Socialist, the leader Jaime Guzmarin. What elso is he going to say?
AND FINALLY:
'Ambassador Ginés Gonzales Garcia is a former Health minister of President Cristina Fernandez cabinet.' WELL, no bias there then!
NONE of this is going to make a blind bit of difference until Argentina starts behaving responsibly towards the people of the Falklands. AND THAT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.
@ O'Gara #19. So why no Mercosur/OAS etc etc resolutions about Guyane? Why only about the Falklands?
Nov 25th, 2011 - 11:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@malviner
Nov 25th, 2011 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Still spouting crap about the UK being finnished eh idiot. If we were finished then how come we a still here still the 6th largest economy and 6th richest country, still the 4th most powerful in military sense? Err its because we are not finished. Hell in the late 40's to early 50's we were in a far worser state then what we are now and did that finish us then? No it didn't.
So malviner, unless your planning on carrying out your plan to row in your rowing boat to brighton beach and piss on it in the hope you get a nuclear reaction, then i can safely say - No the UK is no where near finished, but are as strong as we have ever been. In fact in 1982 we were in a worser state then we are now, and what happened - We still kicked your argentinian backsides. Would you care to repeat the same mistake you made back then now? I didn't think so!
Somebody please explain to me how the support of a bunch of Chilean old farts is in any way relevant or helpful. This looks like the usual love affair South Americans have with purely symbolic actions that in actuality make no difference whatsoever.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 12:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0it's just a lobby group... don't think it can represent a whole state. I bet that there is a pro-malvinas group even in the UK :)
Nov 25th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain and the Falklands don't need to negotiate with argentina !! as the argies can not blockade the islands politically or physically, unless they can get america to back them and that will never happen !, so a few socialist chilean men are lending there verbal support that will not change Britain or Falkland minds all that will happen is NOTHING as usual which is typical of the whole of south america.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#28 nice of you to state the uk's world rankings.6,6,4 is it.weren't you once 1,1,1.Is it not the case that the UK is in decline and that your membership of the EU,rooted in an attempt the arrest of it's decline.remember you joined so you should benefit.it's hold on the territory of Argentina is dependant on support from the EU and thereby you need to encourage that support.or if you like,nowadays you need to grovel to others nowadays,Argentina doesn't.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 01:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He-Ho - and good Chilean export products continue to flow into the Islands, and Chilean people flow in to work and live - and after a few years some take out permanent residence permits - yep - so pro Argentine is all Chile! Falklands flags can be seen in in various places in Punta Arenas and the words “FLK” (with MLV AFTER it)appear on LanChile departure times!
Nov 25th, 2011 - 01:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just a few old farts farting in Buenos Aires!
Sad thing is these poor old fartrs have never been told the truth by Argenina of course- that “discussions” are to have a pre-determined fixed result of totla Areg takeover and no consideration
Not another nail?! I see Think has come out of his bitterness hole after the wave of good news for the Falklands has ended. Welcome back Think! How many nails does it take for Argentina to gain control over the Falklands? It almost sounds like a joke doesn’t it? Well, let’s face it, it is a joke.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don’t fear an end. If Argentina's “undeniable” and “justifiable” claim has existed for the last 178 years (like all Argentines on here state) then Argentina must be extremely incompetent if they have been denied over the 178 years, or their claim is not justified.
If the claim is so strong, how come 178 years on and you are no further than gaining control over the Falkland Islands?
As has been said over and over and over again. Words are meaningless unless backed with actions. And currently the words of your allies do not correspond with their actions. Let’s take real life examples to back up my argument (take note Argentines…evidence!). LAN still flies to the Falklands. The SAAS container ship still goes to Brazil. The Falklands Oil Industry still goes to Brazilian ports. The Port of Uruguay still accepts Falkland Flagged vessels for maintenance and repairs. And the UN Charter still states that the principle of Self-Determination is applicable to everyone. No Exceptions.
Argentines, keep rejoicing at the words of your “friends” while the Falklands keeps moving forwards with the actions of your “friends”.
Desire the Right.
32 Yuleno (#)
Nov 25th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#28 nice of you to state the uk's world rankings.6,6,4 is it.weren't you once 1,1,1.Is it not the case that the UK is in decline //////
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dont you just love 1/2 truths,
664, 111, whatever,
oh by the way,
what 3 numbers are argentina,
or will this item just quietly go quiet,
Arg should be needing to make some maintainment on the airport of Rio Gallegos at the time your prince comes to make promotion of the tourism of the islands.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why not?? things that happens.
Its funny when Argentina claims the UK is in decline. Guess they get this opinion force feed to them from their government but it seems the Chinese share a different assessment of the UK's power & capabilities.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Comprehensive National Power (CNP) is a putative measure, important in the contemporary political thought of the People's Republic of China, of the general power of a nation-state. Unlike most Western concepts of political power, Chinese political thinkers believe that CNP can be calculated numerically by combining various quantitative indices to create a single number held to measure the power of a nation-state. These indices take into account both military factors (known as hard power) and economic, technological and cultural factors (known as soft power). There is a general consensus that the United States is the nation with the highest CNP and that mainland China's CNP ranks not only far behind the United States but also behind the United Kingdom, Russia, France and Germany. Although some Western assessments of China suggest that China will be able to match or overtake the United States in the 21st century, the most recent Chinese projections of CNP suggest that this outcome is unlikely.
Rank Country Score
1 United States 90.62
2 United Kingdom 65.04
3 Russia 63.03
4 France 62.00
5 Germany 61.93
6 China 59.10
7 Japan 57.84
8 Canada 57.09
9 South Korea 53.20
10 India 50.43
(30) ManRod
Nov 25th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
”It's just a lobby group... don't think it can represent a whole state.
I say:
For your kind info….... The Official Position of the Chilean State about the Malvinas Issue is as follows:
“Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas.”
Santo Domingo, República Dominicana, 7 de marzo del año 2008
http://www.minrel.gob.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20100426/pags/20100426150231.php#T4
It cannot be said more clearly…..can it?
@32 Yul nice to see you making a fool out of yourself and proving to the world just how uneducated you are, by comparing what Britains world rankings were prior to 2 world wars and what our current rankings are which have at large remained relatively unchanged since the middle of the last century and then trying to state it is proof the UK is in current decline this very day. Hell such rankings do not prove we are in decline at all, what they do prove though is that other nations are on the rise and have simply overtaken us in the rankings despite decades of economic growth and increased wealth over the years in the UK.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 03:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for the EU, well the union itself is not in any real danger, it is the Euro Zone i.e. the Euro Currency that is in crisis, and last time i check, which was this morning, britians currency was still pound sterling. The collapse of the EU Zone will effect all countires economically even argentina and not just Britian. Question is, can argentina handle such effects of a Euro Zone collapse, as i think you will find that britain is in a lot stonger position to be able to handle such collapse of the Euro Zone and even bounce back from it. Just like we bounced back from the economic effect that WWI & II had on britain, which was far greater then any effect a collapse of the Euro Zone will have.
Now go learn some education my dear boy.
@Think #38 ““Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas”
Nov 25th, 2011 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I think you will find that statement only reaffirms support by the heads of state of the RIO Group, in regards to Argentinas LEGITIMATE RIGHTS in the sovereignty dispute with britian over the Malvinas Islands.
Now my response to that is this.
1 - Just what Legitimate rights to Argentina actually have regarding the Islands when the islanders have the legitimate right of self determination, which therefore means Argentina has NO legitimate rights at all.
and
2 - Just what exactly are they supporting as there is no such island legally (in the International sense) called by the name Malvinas Islands or isla malvinas. As they are just a fantasy island dreamt up by the Argentinian government.
Conculsion - the heads of states are in fact supporting a non existant sovereignty dispute over non existant islands, and are probably laughing their socks of at argentina, as no doubt in return such heads of states very own nations are benefiting from argentina in exchange for their support for this sovereignty dispute on such non existant islands.
LMAO
@ 40 Sadly, only you think like that Teaboy1, the Chilean government thinks otherwise.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@41 - some how i doubt they would support argentina over a sovereignty dispute where argentina expressively names the islands as Falkland Islands, and i have not ever seen any support for any such argentina claims where the islands are refered to as Falkland Islands. It would indeed by very sad if the chilian government were to do so considering the chilian public support the islanders.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 04:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 42 In Chile live more people than you know, so it's not like ManRod and Sergio Vega are the representatives of the Chilean public. The thing is that the UK has nothing to offer, and Chile is a South American country, like all of us, so Chile can't walk away from us like it's not part of South America, it would not benefit Chile.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 malen
Nov 25th, 2011 - 04:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No it doesn't, no-one ever does maintenance on the airport at Rio Gallegos. That's why it's a complete s**^hole.
I doubt he'll be flying LAN anyway. He might get a fatboy seat on the airbridge, but I doubt it.
Clear niw guys? Rough times for you, vibrant economy and democratic society....
Nov 25th, 2011 - 04:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 045 Alejomartinez
Nov 25th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's right, those old Chilean codgers will soon sort us out. Imagine islanders having the nerve to think we can have an economy and a democratic society. We should just know our place.
Oh no a few old men don't agree with us what shall we do, better start planning a withdrawal straight away we wouldn't want to piss them off they might shake their fists at us & give us dirty looks.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 05:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“to help tell the world and public opinion that Argentina’s cause is a fair and just cause”
Just not fair & just enough for Argentina to take the matter to the ICJ I guess.
Still spouting crap about the UK being finnished eh idiot. If we were finished then how come we a still here still the 6th largest economy and 6th richest country, still the 4th most powerful in military sense? Err its because we are not finished. Hell in the late 40's to early 50's we were in a far worser
Nov 25th, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sure mateboy! Do you want to take a bet,who will last longer???
I bet 1000000 to 1,Argentina will last longer than uk and the colonies....
I am glad I do not live in the uk......Payback time fool!!
Every country has old guys who think they know it all and are prepared to tell everybody who will listen; I know this, I speak from experience.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@48
Nov 25th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Lol you don't have talk crap.
So you reckon a country like argentina has the wealth and economy to survive the effects of economic climate, than that of UK. Despite that fact that Argentina have history of defaulting (i.e. went bust) on debts over 10 years ago only have a GDP of around $14,000 per person compared to over $2 million per person the UK has.
Lol keep working on getting that nuclear reaction out of your piss on brighton beach Malviner, as you have more chance of being successful at that then you have of UK going broke or at seeing argentina outlasting the UK.
What an amazing remark.the UK isn't in decline it's just that other countries are doing better.I can't stop myself laughing ........
Nov 25th, 2011 - 06:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear friends in Falkland Islands:
Nov 25th, 2011 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It's just a small group of Chilean Communists, who once again gives support to the corrupt regime of Argentina, led by another corrupt as is Mrs. Fernandez.
Most Chileans support the cause of people living in Falkland Islands.
Falkland Islands belongs to those who live there
sincere greetings
Enrique Andrews
#28 nice of you to state the uk's world rankings.6,6,4 is it.weren't you once 1,1,1.Is it not the case that the UK is in decline //////
Nov 25th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0/////////
dont you just love 1/2 truths,
664, 111, whatever,
oh by the way,
what 3 numbers are argentina,
or will this item just quietly go quiet.
Indeed, there are two sides to this story. First of all, Gines Gonzalez is a hyphenated Argentinean. The name Gines indicates that he is of Spanish descent, perhaps a first generation Argentinean. His mussolinean project attempts to promote the idea of a “solidarity with malvinas” with the help of a small group of Chilean collaborationists.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Secondly, the Santiago newspaper “El Mercurio” published the same above information, and also a letter by Andres Montero who is against Chile supporting the bogus “malvinas argentinas.” This letter has obtained so far 273 responses, a majority of them favoring his position. Only some Argentinean tourists and spies, and a few ill-inf0rmed Chileans were against Mr. Montero's approach. Therefore, the above report alone is absolutely meaningless.
Philippe
TWIMC
Nov 25th, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Official Position of the Chilean State about the Malvinas Issue is as follows:
“Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas.”
Santo Domingo, República Dominicana, 7 de marzo del año 2008
www.minrel.gob.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20100426/pags/20100426150231.php#T4
It cannot be said more clearly…..can it?
As my friend Enrique wrote, those from the “support group” are all of them leftist loosers that have the exclusive goal of disturbing the Chilean international relationship through fake words....that all teyh have done: fake words....They aren´t interested to support the Argentine Gvt. just make noise....
Nov 25th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Real facts are that we, the Chileans, are supporting the FI with real actions as, in example, receiving the UK Navy and FI flagged ship at our ports (even in our most important events and to be repaired at our shipyards), keeping the weekly airbridge to help the Falklanders to reach the whole world through our airports, supplying them with what they need by air and sea with all the official paperwork addressed to the FI Authorities, with repeated students exchange and technology transfer meetings, by health support at high level clinics, with media coverage for the tourism industry, refresh and entertainment to Falklanes in their holidays and a lot more......That´s whtat count...
Facts stay long, while words gone with the wind.....!!!!
Chuckle Chuckle®
Nov 25th, 2011 - 08:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Beatriz Corbo Atria & Antonio Skármeta against Sergio Vega & Enrique Andrews….............
No contest!
Simple question for Twinky and all other Argie no-hopers.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 09:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Will you be in the first ripple? Please note. Not a wave. The only wave you know about is waving a white flag.
Will you be amongst the first to die? I do hope so.
There will be no Argentine takeover of the Falkland Islands in the next thousand years. By which time Argies will have taken one pace back in evolutionary progress and reverted to apes and chimps. Did I say one pace? More like half a pace. Back down to your proper level of chimps crossed with pigs!
In January in Argentina the government will raise the price of electricity, water, gas etc 34% or more. Welcome to The New Model :) but hey, we'll still have the Malvinas to talk about and to forget about the electricity. In January the faces of all the Argentines (including the kirchnerists) will express joy and thankfulness :) Thank you Cristina and Boudou :) Clock is ticking Cristina :)
Nov 25th, 2011 - 09:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@51 - “What an amazing remark.the UK isn't in decline it's just that other countries are doing better.I can't stop myself laughing ........”
Nov 25th, 2011 - 09:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Facts are: Since the middle of last century, the UK economy has grown significantly with hardly any annual decreases. However emerging economies have also emerged and have been growing at much faster rates than the UK's leading to them overtaking the UK. The USA did it in the 40's Japan did it in the 70's China did it in the 90's and etc. All while the UK economy was growing. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to work out that countries with higher/faster economic growth rates will grow quicker and over take the economies of other countries that are also growing but at lower/slower rates - Though clearly in your case you need to have some maths education in order to understand that.
@Think #55 Whats with reposting the exact same thing you posted in #38 or are you unable to actually respond to my post #40 and thought you would pretend you never made the original post, in the hope others will not notice and will have forgotten how i ripped your argument a part? Clearly it is not as clear as you like to think it is.
“What an amazing remark.the UK isn't in decline it's just that other countries are doing better.I can't stop myself laughing ........” Yul
Nov 25th, 2011 - 10:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Now, class, remember last week's lesson on the word 'Absolute' and the word 'Relative'?
When will Argentina understand that no matter how much support they gain the Falklands will remain as they wish. All hopes for a diplomatic route truly went out the window 30 years ago. We have already tried that route and Argentina's non-cooperation in the matter is what led to their frustration in the first place....
Nov 25th, 2011 - 10:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 062 THOR94, When will you understand that there is not such a thing called “falklands”, the name is Malvinas and they are part of Argentina and South America .
Nov 25th, 2011 - 11:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you Chile!
56 Sergito V. Did you go to Viña?
http://www.laprensaaustral.cl/cronica/hoy-haran-banderazo-magallanico-en-vina-del-mar-7349
You must be using an Argentine map MoreCRap.
Nov 25th, 2011 - 11:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands are British - 179th anniversary our uncontestable occupation coming up in January. 246 years since MacBride arrived with the first garrison.
171 years since the decision to establish a colony.
And a little later in 2012 - 30 years since we threw Argentina off for the 2nd time.
Trespass is an offence you know :-)
64 Rotted, You are right, 179th anniversary of illegal British occupation by brute force is coming up, at the same time if you read the article above you can tell that your days are numbered in South America.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 12:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0our days are numbered, yeh right,
Nov 26th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0fact is, argentina can never better great britain
never ever,?
unless of course you become the very same thing to claim to hate us for,
An Argentina Empire,
what say you,
Lol you don't have talk crap.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 01:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0So you reckon a country like argentina has the wealth and economy to survive the effects of economic climate, than that of UK
Sure mateboy...Still my bet is on!!
Other than that,why do you care about Argentina????
If uk is SOOOO strong why even bother to write stupidity here???
Go to the UN,C24,and brush Argentina off.....“the Malvinense Edward,imploring not to adopt the resolution” Ahahahahah
As long as we have the Mercosur,UNASUR
57@ Badthink....
Nov 26th, 2011 - 02:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Of course no contest with this two such a person you have mentioned.....just Chilean garbage like CFK and her cronies in Argentina.
Both, Mr. Andrews and me, are representatives of the regular Chilean people, not the elitist pseudo intelectuals that have never worked in their entire lives as good parasites....and we have more value and our opinions are more realistic than the interested opinions from that stupid politicians.....excuse me, “intelectuals” as they use to call themselves......
63@ I was born and live in Punta Arenas, so I not need to do that kind of expressions to be part of the RIMA - República Independiente de Magallanes - the best region from a country called Chile.....the nicest in LATAM...
Ah...!!! A friend of mine told me not long ago that South America, due it ancestors, should be really just a single and big country........called CHILE...!!!!
Ho Ho Ho !!!!
@67 Malviner argentina has a GDP of $369,992 million Uk has a GDP of $2,250,000 million. Argentina has a 25% inflation rate with this years annual rate likely to be over 30% and has a devulating currency. the UK inflation is a low 4% and our currency is values high against the dollar, in fact £1 is equal to $1 and 54 cent. yet the peso is only worth $0.24 cents. And here you are telling me my statments are stupid and that argentina will have a better chance of surviving a global economic disaster, than the UK.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 03:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your clearly the stupid one here malviner, as the facts above just prove i am right and that you would clearly lose your bet. Now go back to the toilet and have fun your experiments on how to get a nuclear reaction from your piss!! LOL
68 Sergito Vega
Nov 26th, 2011 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0“A friend of mine told me not long ago that South America, due it ancestors, should be really just a single and big country........called CHILE...!!!!”
Also grandma Delfina told you many times to be more humble :-)))
@67 Malviner argentina has a GDP of $369,992 million Uk has a GDP of $2,250,000 million. Argentina has a 25% inflation rate with this years annual rate likely to be over 30% and has a devulating currency. the UK inflation is a low 4% and our currency is values high against the dollar
Nov 26th, 2011 - 06:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0Mateboy,what a nuisance you are...How much of that is inflated GDP??
Let see: uk budget deficit: 10.2% of GDP(Almost top of the list(196/208)
Debt external: 9.8 trillion..2 in the world
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html?countryName=United Kingdom&countryCode=uk®ionCode=eur&rank=3#uk
TWIMC
Nov 26th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wrote at (57):
”Beatriz Corbo Atria & Antonio Skármeta against Sergio Vega & Enrique Andrews…............. No contest!”
If any evidence of the above was necessary, read our resident Pinochetist, Mr. Sergio Vega’s answer at (68):
“Both, Mr. Andrews and me, are representatives of the regular Chilean people...... and we have more value and our opinions are more realistic than the interested opinions from that stupid politicians....”
Of course, Mr. Sergio Vega………….
You are better than the rest of us………
Just because you say so……..
Chuckle Chuckle®
PS:
I just checked ....... and the Official Position of the Chilean State about the Malvinas Issue is still as follows:
“Los Jefes de Estado y de Gobierno del Grupo de Río reafirman su respaldo a los legítimos derechos de la República Argentina en la disputa de soberanía con el Reino Unido relativa a la Cuestión de las Islas Malvinas.”
www.minrel.gob.cl/prontus_minrel/site/artic/20100426/pags/20100426150231.php#T4
I remember numerous examples of support towards Argentina in 1982 and, just like this one, they were purely symbolic. Even with so many vocal supporters, the 1982 war still ended with Argentineans waving the white flag. Will those who are so happy about these “solidarity” statements please explain to me why they think they are inherently different and/or more effective than all the statements of support I heard and read in 1982? Talk is cheap, but I see little to no action behind those empty words.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 09:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Symbols of support from neighbours is not forthcoming from anywhere for British occupation.colonialism is now a negative behaviour and many refer to colonial occupation which is a supportive of Argentina cause.UK must continue it's aggression toward Argentina because it has an unjustifiable position globally.Argentina is grateful to any support for a peaceful resolution of this situation from all sources
Nov 26th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I understand that another 'official position' is the 'missionary position', but this is hardly the only 'position' that one can take.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Often the 'official position' and the 'actual position' are not the same.
Often the 'missionary position' is the one started with but not there at the end.
:-)
Lol Malviner #71 you clearly have not been to economic school have you. Keep it up malviner your doing an execellent job at showing just how little you understand economic and foreign debt. By your way of thinking the trade dificit should be subtracted from the total value of GDP which would actually devalue products and services creating given them an artificial price which would actually make the economic situation worse. As for foreign debt, well what do you think will actually happen to such debts owed by countries if a total economic collapse occured? I know the answer but you clearly do not, so why don't you explain what will happen.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0@Think #72 - Still posting the pointless crapping link that you posted in #38 and #55. I suggest you read my post in response to the link in #41 as you will see just how insignificant chiles or any other countries support for argentinas sovereignty of a non existant island is. LOL yet here you, one of the most intelligent argentines on here, yet you actually believe it is significant. Sorry think, the only time any such statement would be siginificant would be if they actually referred to the islands legal name “Falklands Islands”, by referring to the islands as isla malvinas they are in fact referring to nothing but a fantasy island dreamt up by argentina, as no such island called isla malvinas legally exist.
Seriously think, i wuld have though a man with your reasonable intelligence would have seen the flaw in your argument there. But you didn't, so i geuss your just as dump as the rest of your indoctrinated argentine bloggers. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the argentine bloggers that realise the truth that they have been lied to and indoctrinated since the 1940's which is when your countries government first started claiming sovereignty of the falkland islands.
@71 I suppose you do remember that your currency is worth one millionth of what it was worth 40 years ago. And so, in real terms, whilst the UK's GDP is $2,480,000,000 whilst Argentina's is $4,352. You see, the UK has not devalued its currency.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, I guess we should be getting ready to say goodbye. It appears that your country is about to raise electricity prices by around 34%. Guess you'll have to ration use. Will it be electricity to run your computer or food? By the way, I have 6 computers in my home. Although I tend to only use 3 at the same time. Two aren't really internet-capable, but I can have the other 4 all running at the same time and connected in a network. I find it such a bore to have to walk from one to another to use a computer, don't you? And guess what, I'm the only person who lives here!
72@ Remember 1982 Chilean position was as supporting Argentine fight, but the real fact was that we helped strongly the UK effort to recover their Isalands, even receiving their crashed chopper pilots and guns and ammunition in course to the Islands......So, what is what reeeaaaaaaally count? the words or the facts.....???? Get your own conclusion (if you can....clever man...!!!). Meantime, we will keep helping our friends.....as always.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 12:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not only Mr. Andrews nad me are better than those crap you mentioned, the most of Chilean people are....
Chúpate esa, think .........(suck that one, think)
@77 Conqueror - i think malviner is hoping that once he successfully gets a nuclear reaction from his piss, then not only will he use it against us in the UK, but is also hoping to use it to provide nuclear powered electricity. Though i sure would not like to be him, especially as it would require him to keep pissing non stop LMAO
Nov 26th, 2011 - 12:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0TWIMC
Nov 26th, 2011 - 01:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hmmmmmm..................
We all know that Mr. Sergio Vega is unjustifiably angry at Argentina because his “Used Land Rover’s Business” was busted by the unilateral FIG's decision to cancel the Shipping Link from Punta Arenas to Malvinas......
But what about Mr.Enrique Andrews?
Wait a minute!................................. Ain't that the guy that hates all the Mapuches and used to export milk and eggs to them Islands before the unilateral FIG's decision to cancel the Shipping Link from Punta Arenas to Malvinas?
Chuckle chuckle®
So what's your point Think?
Nov 26th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Everyone loves and supports Argentina apart from the ones who don't?
Not much of a revelation is it?
Anyway, I thought all of your South American friends and brethren were supposed to be standing with you, shoulder to shoulder against the British imperialist menace.
As they all are......apart from the ones that aren't.
Telling people what to think and ridiculing the ones that decline? A one- way- ticket to making yourself look like a pompous ass.
(81) Monty96
Nov 26th, 2011 - 03:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0My first point, dear Monty is that many “pompous asses”, as you so nicely put it, have tried to defame and denigrate excellent persons, with higher academic and human merits than many of us could ever dream off, just for expressing publicly their beliefs.
This is especially true in the case of: Beatriz Corbo: http://www.senado.cl/prontus_galeria_noticias/site/artic/20100519/pags/20100519210035.html
&
Antonio Skármeta: http://www.senado.cl/prontus_galeria_noticias/site/artic/20100519/pags/20100519210035.html
My second point, dear Monty is that Mr. Sergio Vega and Mr. Enrique Andrews, the two Chilean citizens doing most of the insulting , have both a direct economical incitement for doing so………
Personally,
Nov 26th, 2011 - 03:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find much more sense in the postings of Sergio Vega than in the postings of Think.
It may be because we are coming from the same part of the spectrum of politics,
but more likely it is just that Sergio posts more sensible comment.
Personally,
Nov 26th, 2011 - 03:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I find much more sense in the postings of Sergio Vega than in the postings of Think.
It may be because
Personally I like much more the posting of Think!!
Think posts,have a lot more substance than sergito post!!
El Pais posts well too -
Nov 26th, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.elpais.com.uy/suplemento/quepasa/larga-guerra-fria/quepasa_608524_111126.html
“My second point, dear Monty is that Mr. Sergio Vega and Mr. Enrique Andrews, the two Chilean citizens doing most of the insulting , have both a direct economical incitement for doing so………”
Nov 26th, 2011 - 04:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I see, I recently asked one of the Brazilian posters here why Brazil supported Argentina, he was honest enough to acknowledge it had nothing to do with Argentina's case, simply becuase Argentina was more important economically to Brazil.
It was simple economics, nothing to do with the merits of Argentine claims, which are entirely bogus.
TWIMC
Nov 26th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some ”sensible comments” from Mr. Sergio Vega; surely in the taste of Mr. Geoff Ward:
About Priests:
(6)Sergio Vega
Sorry, guys, but the priest are the worst of the worst person in the world...
Any other people has more value that those criminals that killed preople because they were smart enough to think as things are and not as priest say the things are....And they are children rapers too..!!!! .. and they are layers too....and tehy helped Hitler too... and so on....!!!
So kill a priest is not more hard that kill any other.. even could be less...
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/28/indictments-related-to-the-killing-of-anglo-chilean-priest-in-1973-total-33
About Indigenous Peoples:
(1) Sergio Vega
I think that it´s wrong the asummition that the Chilean Gvt. is cornered. It is starting a talk table with the real mapuche comuneros, not the mapuche terrorist that are in jail because they burnt houses, seemfields, barns, trucks and shoot fire guns against the police, even attented against an prosecutor, so they are being tried under the antiterrorist law as they deserve.
http://en.mercopress.com/2010/08/28/indictments-related-to-the-killing-of-anglo-chilean-priest-in-1973-total-33
A sensible human being indeed......
Just the kind any Kelper parent would love to have as foster father for their children when sending them to Punta Arenas as exchange students...........
Sergito, I am not sure that you can sit down to read this interesting article (sorry about the spanking recieved by my fellow countryman Mr Think)
Nov 26th, 2011 - 05:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Maria was born in Punta Arenas and we are so grateful, an important message from Nestor to you at the end. :-)
http://www.ouyeah.net/info/kirchner-chilean-mother/
TWIMC
Nov 26th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Some more ”sensible comments” from Mr. Sergio Vega............; Mr. Geoff Ward will surely appreciate these too:
About Carabineros killing a 16 year old boy who’s only crime was pushing his paralytic brother’s wheelchair:
(1)Sergio Vega
That´s what the comunist are looking for...a martir boy...but he was an offender, he wasn´t there playing with toys, he was throwing Molotov bombs, rocks and destroying public & private goods, he wasn´t a “nun's boy”....
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/08/26/boy-14-shot-in-the-chest-becomes-first-death-in-months-of-social-unrest-in-chile
About himself:
(68) Sergio Vega
“Both, Mr. Andrews and me, are representatives of the regular Chilean people, not the elitist pseudo intelectuals that have never worked in their entire lives as good parasites....and we have more value and our opinions are more realistic than the interested opinions from that stupid politicians.... excuse me, “intelectuals” as they use to call themselves......”
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/08/26/boy-14-shot-in-the-chest-becomes-first-death-in-months-of-social-unrest-in-chile
A very sensible human being indeed.
#87 Think,
Nov 26th, 2011 - 06:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mr Sergito said “So kill a priest is not more hard that kill any other.. even could be less...”
His grandpa was so glad that he left the seminary, any information about the caused of death? :-)
I can't imagine Sergio would be very likely to mix up the idea of a politician and an intellectual.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And yes, if you throw petrol bombs at the police/military you should not be surprised if they respond with deadly force.
A very sensible human being indeed.
Think
Nov 26th, 2011 - 06:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Talking about priests...
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.pervan/3/mb.ashx
Hasn't the UK government just apologised for shooting civilians in the blood Sunday review.is it that some Brits are more violent than the 'real brits' or is that not the case and that all Brits are violent.how wonderful it is that mr s vega speaks for all chileans except Mapuche and some others?
Nov 26th, 2011 - 06:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(91) GeoffWard
Nov 26th, 2011 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Wrong.....
In any democracy the police force must be well trained, properly equipped and professional enough to respond to any civilian unrest, no matter how violent, with non lethal force……
Besides………….… The boy in question here was shot from a considerable distance, on a deserted street, from a police car, in cold blood whilst pushing his paralytic brother’s wheelchair…
No Molotov cocktail, no aggression, no warning, no nothing…….
It was an execution.
In praise of the Chilean democracy it must be said that the Carabinero/killer is in prison awaiting trial and the police chief was dismissed for his handling of this episode.
82 Think
Nov 26th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The only reason any of your neighbours and ours do anything to hurt us is because you give them a ''direct economical incitement for doing so…'' so don't get all lofty and condescending on us.
93 Yuleno
Are you for real?
''is it that some Brits are more violent than the 'real brits' or is that not the case and that all Brits are violent'' ??? What a monumentally crass and stupid thing to say.
Unless you are a British troll trying to make Argentines look bad.
Re: The “Chilean Solidarity Group.”
Nov 26th, 2011 - 07:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This group reminds me of a quote from Sir Winston Churchill and I slightly parapharse.........”The only recorded instance in history of a rat(rats) swimming towards a sinking ship.“ That ”sinking ship” being Argentina under CFK.
(95) Monty96
Nov 26th, 2011 - 07:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
The only reason any of your neighbors and ours do anything to hurt us is because you give them a ''direct economical incitement for doing so…''
I say:
Not entirely so……...........................................
In the specific case of our sister Republic of Chile, many, many, many Chileans are really, really, really worried about the hegemonic and aggressive advances the UK is making in the South Atlantic and the Antarctic Continent.
Dare to ask any of your many Chilean friends in Punta if you don’t believe me………….
(Not those in need of keeping their Malvinas Residence Permit, of course)
In any democracy the police force must be well trained, properly equipped and professional enough to respond to any civilian unrest, no matter how violent, with non lethal force……
Nov 26th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last month a police eviction in the Argentinian province of Jujuy resulted in four deaths. It was reported, but coverage swiftly petered out and the general reaction was a shrug – “Yes, that happens.” Indeed it does, all the time. A recent study at Tennessee's Vanderbilt University identified Argentina as having one of the worst records of police violence in Latin America, with 8.7% of the population subjected to some form of violence and abuse by the Argentinian police forces in 2009.
97 Think
Nov 26th, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you pulling my leg?
What 'aggressive advances in the Antarctic Continent'?
Or the South Atlantic for that matter.
(99) Monty 96
Nov 26th, 2011 - 08:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, I'm not pulling your leg.
#99 No he is talking out his arse as usual.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 09:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0A true democracy would not be trying to steal, another countries land
Nov 26th, 2011 - 09:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And if her friends support and think this is perfectly acceptable,
Then these friends will have no complaint, if in the future she turns her attention and tries to steal their lands, would they .
Just a supportive thought.
100 Think
Nov 26th, 2011 - 11:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0In that case, your propaganda must be working, well done.
For those of you who want to know how it's done, I suggest you look up 'appeal to fear' or 'argumentum ad metum'. Crude but effective.
#100 - that's a pity Think, it suggests paranoia.
Nov 26th, 2011 - 11:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is not making any moves in the South Atlantic.
It made all its moves along time ago.
As long as the Antarctic Treaty holds, all should be well. Lets hope is does. The day it fails, the countries of the South Cone will have a lot more to fear than just the UK. Remember the USA and Russia have both 'reserved' their positions over a chunk of Antarctica, and the Peninsula is the most attractive bit.
Finger crossed eh ?
Unless Argentina thinks that the British that are there , and the ships that are on their way,
Nov 27th, 2011 - 01:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the subs that may or may not be present,
She classes this as an invasion force,
Perhaps Argentina thinks, that the British have designs on Argentina its self, or Patagonia perhaps,
Or just believe the truth, that we have no designees, on anyone,
We just want to live in peace,
Some of our English friends have been manipulating the figures to fool people again. THE FACTS
Nov 27th, 2011 - 01:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0England gdp 2,25 trillion national debt 2,26 over 100% of GDP trillion growth 2012 -0,5%
Argentina gdp 456,817 billion debt 163,7 billion 41% of GDP growth, 2012 5%
So a bleak future for England and indeed the rest of the welfare states but the big emerging countries will get more powerful by the year.
Organize yourself Monty or aprenda Español es uns lengua maravilloa
Perhaps you could include inflation in your figures next time O gara, not to mention the debt profile...
Nov 27th, 2011 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0(106) O'Gara
Nov 27th, 2011 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, no, no, my dear Mr. O’Gara….
They are not manipulating information….
They simply don’t know what they are talking about....!
Just have a look at this freshly picked example from yesterday…..:
”(50) Teaboy2
Argentina have history of defaulting (i.e. went bust) on debts over 10 years ago only have a GDP of around $14,000 per person compared to over $2 million per person the UK has……”
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/11/24/chilean-solidarity-with-malvinas-group-manifests-public-support-for-argentina
I SAY...: $2 MILLION PER PERSON….! I WANT TO BE A ENGLISH :-)))
Or what about this ”Little Pearl” of English Haughtiness.....:
”4 Rhaurie-Craughwell
The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were atomic bombs...not nuclear, if your going to try and have a stupid opinion at least have the decency and respect in front of us intelligent folk to get some of the facts right....”
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/11/24/chilean-solidarity-with-malvinas-group-manifests-public-support-for-argentina
I SAY...: WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ATOMIC AND A NUCLEAR BOMB? :-)))
Chuckle chuckle®
Depends which side of it you are on :-)
Nov 27th, 2011 - 03:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0This side.....
Nov 27th, 2011 - 06:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://kuroiso.org/
Ah, now I see the problem - still picking the wrong side !
Nov 27th, 2011 - 08:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Depends which side of it you are on :-)
Nov 27th, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hey el Thinko at #108
Nov 27th, 2011 - 10:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0If you work out the total GDP which is the value of all goods and services produced or sold in a given country from the same period i used i.e. based on estimated figures from the last 2-3 weeks, which you will probably not even have access too yet, at least not till the end of the fourth quarter, and compared it to the total population you will find the my estimates stand true. So you will find that i was not actually stating that each person in the UK had 2 million $ in their pockets, but only that on average the GDP value is more or less worth 2 million per person of the population during the that one period. Off course the actual figure will be far higher than that if you work it out on precise GDP and Population figures annually, rather than on estimations based on my personal knowlegde of economics from a set period i.e. not annual totals, which for the UK is 2,250,000 million dollars approx for the year. I respect that it may have been misleading with me not making that clear in the first post, however the point of the post was to show the difference in monetary values, which is exactly what it did.
Oh and as of this month the UK economy grew by 0.5% in the third quarter of this year - So much for the UK being in decline eh.
If you argentinae children wish to discuss economics, then atleast get yourselves educated on economics first, before sprouting laughable drivel about it.
Oh did i say “which for the UK is 2,250,000 million dollars approx for the year” above. I do apologise, heres a correction - “which for the UK is 2,250,000 Trillion dollars approx for the year 2010”.
Nov 27th, 2011 - 11:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0“So you will find that i was not actually stating that each person in the UK had 2 million $ in their pockets, but only that on average the GDP value is more or less worth 2 million per person of the population during the that one period.”
Nov 27th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0You're not making any sense. UK GDP is 30-40,000 dollars per year. PERIOD. Nowhere in the world, not even in the likes of Norway and Qatar, does national GDP even approaches 100,000 dollars. Is 27th November the British equivalent of April's Fool, or do some fools on here simply believe they can get away with murdering the truth?
“UK GDP is 30-40,000 dollars per year.”
Nov 27th, 2011 - 11:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0I of course meant GDP per capita. Though this is obvious, there's always some internet genius wanting to look smart by making unnecessary “corrections”.
Anyway, just to make Teaboy's silly lie even funnier:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_per_capita_(PPP)
According to the above list, Argentina's GDP per capita is indeed ~15,000 dollars, as Teaboy informed. So it is clear he's really talking about GDP per capita, not some other obscure, secret measure. According to that same list, UK GDP per capita is around 35,000 dollars.
Now, Teaboy's saying that, according to some data that only he has access to right now, data that we mere mortals will only get to see in 2012, UK GDP per capita is around 2 million dollars in 2011. And again, in 2010 it was only ~35,000 dollars. In other words, in 2011 British income per capita grew around 5600% over 2010!!! No one in the media, not even the British media, has so far talked about such miraculous economic growth. But according to Teaboy it is feasible and it is there.
the right side ... of course :-)
Nov 27th, 2011 - 12:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I still haven't read any explanation of how this purely symbolic manifestation of support is in any relevant way different from the manifestations of support that proved ineffective in 1982.
Nov 27th, 2011 - 12:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@116 Oh so am wrong and your right are you Forget?
Nov 27th, 2011 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No your not, as by your reckoning the total GDP (UK 2010) divided by the total UK population is just 35,000. LOL i think you will find that when you times 35,000 by the UK population you end up with a total of around 2.20 to 2.30 Billion, which is trillions less than what the total UK GDP was in 2010.
Learn some basis maths and a bit of common sense before attempting to discredit others
Oh and the fact that my equations gave argentina $14,000 over the same weekly periods in 2010 as to the 2011 weekly periods used to work out the GDP per person in UK, being a similar total to what is on the Wiki page, is merely a coincidence only, evidence of this is in the fact there is a clear difference between $14,000 i stated and $15,000 you say is shown on wiki.
I think you will find my sums are based on total value of domestic products and services produced, sold and/or purchased in the given period divided by total population to get an average per person. You do realise that the total amount of money exchanged on purchases of goods per week in the UK or by the UK is in the billions don't you? By your reckoning the total amount of money exchanged would be in the few 100s of pounds per week not per person but by total population.
Forgetit86 Perhaps if you and your Argentinos did not waste so much time at school gullibly taking in lies about the mythical Malvinas Islands and really learnt arithmetic - you know addition, subtraction, multiplication and division- AND when you understood that thoroughly you could advance to trigonometry AND then to mathematics - this being the use of formulae to understand how things work and interact in real life THEN you might be able to understand finance and the metrics associated with the real world.
Nov 27th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Until then you will continue to make yourself look foolish.
@TeaMoron
Nov 27th, 2011 - 02:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 035,000 dollars per person (UK income per capita) x 65,000,000 person (UK population) = 2.275 trillion dollars. Trillion, not billion.
Please man, do yourself a favour and don't talk about numbers when you're in a public venue. Otherwise you're bound to suffer some serious embarassment.
@ChrisR
In the last 24 hours, a Britishman tried to “correct” m,e saying that the US did no nuclear, but instead an atomic, attack on Japan; another said that the UK has a per capita income of over 2 million dollars; and now a third one is now contesting simple, impeccable maths - maths used by the poor, uneducated folks at the IMF and the World Bank. Now, is 27th November really like a April's Fool in Britain?
RE: my #54
Nov 27th, 2011 - 04:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is quite possible that the few Chilean collaborationists who joined the “malvinas” support group was for purely MERCENARY reasons.
Philippe
Some of our English friends have been manipulating the figures to fool people again. THE FACTS
Nov 27th, 2011 - 04:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0England gdp 2,25 trillion national debt 2,26 over 100% of GDP trillion growth 2012 -0,5%
Argentina gdp 456,817 billion debt 163,7 billion 41% of GDP growth, 2012 5%
O'gara,the foreign debt by uk is over 9.8 trillions...
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2079rank.html?countryName=United Kingdom&countryCode=uk®ionCode=eur&rank=3#uk
(3rd world largest)
Well if Chile is going to provide mercenaries;) Philippe,
Nov 27th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've a feeling that Argentina would prefer it if they provided more than just eleven house-trained geriatrics.
Malcontent01 #123 Worldbank GDP figures 2010
Nov 27th, 2011 - 05:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0UK 2,246,079,000,000 (so you don't have to visualise it) 62.2M Pop
GDP/capita 36,110
Argentina 368,712,000,000: 40.5M Pop
GDP/capita 9,104 (OR 1/4 of UK)
Does the Arg. debt include all the loans not paid back from 2003 or what CFK says it is?
UK debt includes all the loans we made to the Eurozone and other countries that we try to help. Argentina only helps....(wait for it) ARGENTINA!
(121) Forgetit87
Nov 27th, 2011 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You say:
In the last 24 hours, a Britishman tried to “correct” me saying that the US did no nuclear, but instead an atomic, attack on Japan; another said that the UK has a per capita income of over 2 million dollars; and now a third one is now contesting simple, impeccable maths - maths used by the poor, uneducated folks at the IMF and the World Bank. Now, is 27th November really like a April's Fool in Britain?
I say:
Everyday is April’s Fool when British Turnips like “ChrisR”, “Teaboy1,2,3” or “Rhaurie-Craughwell” are “on the loose” in MercoPress…..
And they aren’t even the worst ones……...............................……!
As a matter of fact the percentage of “Turnips” and “Turnipidity” is notably lower among the Kelper Brits than among the Northern Brits………….
There is, of course, a pair of Kelper Turnips but I subscribe it to their youth, not their mental capacity…......................
Think#126
Nov 27th, 2011 - 06:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If you only had a scintilla of intelligence you could see for yourself the ludicrous and idiotic comments spouted by you and your Argie mates does nothing but harm to your country when viewed by the rest of the world.
@126
Nov 27th, 2011 - 06:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0better a kelper turnip than a Argie scumbag wanker such as yourself think.
@121 The only Moron here is you Forget, again learn some maths, A trillion has 18 zeros at the end whilst a billion has 12 and i think you will find it is 2,25 followed by 12 zeros not 18 making 35,000 times by 65 million = 2,25 billion.
Nov 27th, 2011 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@El Thicko, i am not talking about per capita GDP Dumb ass. am talking about the total value of domestic goods produced sold and/or pruchased by people in the UK and by the UK itself. Hell, 550 million is estimated to be spend on online goods tomorrow alone, there is 3,300 visa card tranactions a sec in the UK alone.
So please do not tell me that during a small period of 2-3 weeks the average per person is only a few hundred pounds which is what you would have us believe in regards to GDP per capita which is basically the average income of a person and doesn't take into a account the total exchange of money on domestic goods or services sold and/or purchased. So 550 million devided by 65 million (as given as UK population by forgetit) = 8.46 pounds per person and thats just on online shopping in 1 day.
Then you have the millions spent in shops, on services on production, purchases of products from manufacturers, government purchases and spending on services, which it self is on average close to 2 billion a day between 2010 - 2011 tax year where the governemt spending was 691.7 Billion in total. 2 billion divided by 65 million is itself 30,769 pounds per person in just 1 day. Now take that 30,769 and convert it to dollars at todays exhange rate and ohh look thats its $47,501.18 , which is clearly more than the GDP per Capita for the entire year of 2010 for the UK all in just 1 day of government spending. So no think i am clearly not talking about GDP per Capita. You will also find that as the GDP per Capita on WIKI is in US dollars then it was likely worked out using the american numeric value of the billion which has less zero's than the proper value of 10^12 for a billion and 10^18 for a trillion.
(128) WestisBest
Nov 27th, 2011 - 07:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello ol' chap...!
Was worried for you...
You have been so silent lately....
How's life treating you at the Camp...?
Kind of missed your direct Kelper style :-)))
Interesting these days how a farmer can not only talk to his turnips,
Nov 27th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0But names them as well .
Still I suppose being born clever –
And solving their debt problems by defaulting when it suits them,
Gives them more time to sit back and have another glass of wine
And why not, that’s what plonkers do best, is it not
Just a humble sobering thought
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One has to laugh at the propaganda-driven hypocrisy of the ignorant 'colonialism' comments.
Nov 27th, 2011 - 09:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0To be accurate, most of the argentine people originated from colonial settlers. Their treatment of the native people of Patagonia is nothing short of appalling. Though because the state churns out endless propaganda, they can't see the wood for the trees.
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Nov 28th, 2011 - 01:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Malcontent01 #123 Worldbank GDP figures 2010
Nov 28th, 2011 - 01:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0UK 2,246,079,000,000 (so you don't have to visualise it) 62.2M Pop
GDP/capita 36,110
Argentina 368,712,000,000: 40.5M Pop
GDP/capita 9,104 (OR 1/4 of UK)
Does the Arg. debt include all the loans not paid back from 2003 or what CFK says it is?
UK debt includes all the loans we made to the Eurozone and other countries that we try to help. Argentina only helps....(wait for it) ARGENTINA
Argentina debt is VEry manegeable,not to mention much more resources.
Jim Rogers the UK is FINISHED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chrispelotudo:http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jim+rogers%3a+uk+is+finished&qpvt=jim+rogers%3a+uk+is+finished&mid=57DFACD1075A0415A51B57DFACD1075A0415A51B&FORM=LKVR1#
AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!
What a looser!
You chrispelotudo: I am glad I do not live in uk!!
“A trillion has 18 zeros at the end”
Nov 28th, 2011 - 01:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0Where are you from, Teaboy? This is the case mostly in continental European countries. (Some Latin American countries, like Chile and Argentina, use that scale as well: the long-scale.) The UK and the US, however, are short scale countries, that is, for them one trillion has 12 zeroes only. The IMF and the World Bank work with the US/UK system (the short scale). As such, if those institutions say that Britain's GDP is of ~2 trillion dollars, this means that its GDP per capita is of 30-40 thousand dollars per person - not anywhere near 2 million. You're very naively mixing different kinds of scales in here. Btw, are you Latin American?
@128WestisBest,
Nov 28th, 2011 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0Don't sugarcoat it Westy, tell the fool what you really think of him!
@124Geoff,
Grandad's Army.
@134Malvinero1,
At a guess, l'd say the British are glad that you don't live in the UK either! AH AH HA HA etc, etc. to you too, loser.
@forget #135
Nov 28th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Actually am from the UK and its the US that uses the short scale, invented by them. The UK, or at least when i was at school used the international sceintific numeric scale of 10^12 for a billion and 10^18 for a trillion. I also made it clear my figures are not based on GDP Per capita
@Malviner what part of the am not using GDP per capita that is based on income only, do you not understand dumbass. I made clear in my earlier post what i was basing my figures and calculations on to show the total value gross domestic products and services sold and or purchases in regars to actually money being exchanged. I also proved the the 2 billion a day spent by the UK government on Governement spending was more then the GDP per capita per person for the year 2010 when converted to US dollars and thats without the total value of gross domestic products being included in addition to total government spending for each day. So please enlighten us how the annual GDP per capita can possibly by just 35,000 when its over 40,000 per day on just government spending in the same year eh numb nuts?
Perhaps its because it is not 35,000 but perhaps a few more zeros on the end. If i used the american numeric value to work out the GDP per Capita of the Total GDP then yes it will be in the 30,000 range. But the real number has a few extra zeros on the end i.e. 25 10^18 devided by 62 million equals 4,032,258,065 10^10 thats 4 thousand and 32 million 2 hundred and 58 thousand and 65 pounds, do it the american way of 2.5 10^12 and its 40,322. Hell 35,000 time 6.2 million is only 2.17 10^12 (i.e. billion) yet our GDP is in the trillions. I use british figures not american convertions to get an accurate picture based on pound stirling and not a false figure. In america 1000 million is a billion yet us British count a billion as a million million. In any case my figures in previous post are nothing to do with per Capita GDP.
No, you didn't make that clear at all. Instead, you mentioned a very obscure measure after Think mocked your British income per capita numbers. Moreover, as I said above, you correctly attributed to Argentina an income per capita in power parity numbers of ~15,000 dollars. Is it just coincidence that the measure you're discussing is for Argentina equal to its GDP per capita?
Nov 28th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Britain's scale: British journals such as The Guardian and the Telegraph frequently use “trillion” in the same sense as do US journals. Why would they do that, if the UK is a long scale country?
Forgetit87 is correct :-p
Nov 28th, 2011 - 03:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the UK is FINISHED
Nov 28th, 2011 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just as well great britain is doing fine .
@Forget, oh am sorry forgetit. But i made it clear i was refering to only a period fo 2-3 weeks, so how is my 14,000 for argentina for a 2-3 week period the same as the annual 15,000 Per Captia GDP? it is not and clearly the value of the peso was taken into account too. Which is why its so low against dollar i.e. around 20 odd cent per dollar, where the pound is worth more than the dollor making it a much higher figure when pounds are converted to doller, where your peso would be much lower once converted to dollar from peso. It 4.2615 peso per dollar and 1.55134 USD per pound so the total in peso was around 59,661 and in pounds around 1.2 million pounds off course the value of crops from this years harvest and produce produced so far from it is inculded where as your harvest is yet to come in april -june next year for soy bean and corn is between febuary and april next year. We also have a much bigger retail and manufactoring sector than argentina does too which also adds to the difference and a much bigger global online retailing sector too.
Nov 28th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also there are various methods of working out GDP which is what i worked out for that 2-3 week period, with inclusion of the value of all domestic goods and services produced purchased and/or sold and government spending, complete exchange of money on domestic goods and their value. It is still GDP, though obviously inclusve of all money exchanged on such goods. Now is it also my fault i used the correct values for billions and trillions and you used the wrong values from my point of view i.e. Us values? No it isnt. Infact i have given you the figures in my last post, proving my maths is correct using either US values of the international scientic value used in britain and mainland europe, so i should not have to explain anything. Now given your total GDP for last year was only $368.71 billion compared to the UKs 2.25 Trillion then the difference between the to figures i produced is about right. @Beef the Figures say it all.
Teaboy, Give it up and hide under the bed...
Nov 28th, 2011 - 07:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ Marcos
Nov 28th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your the one that crawled out from under the bed so you get back under it.
By the way, i do not expect a dumbass like you to understand the numbers or even have a clue about what is being discussed, as you have clearly proven in the past your lack off intelligence would make this discussion incomprehensible for you. At least forgetit has a idea and some understanding on economics and maths. The confusion here is mainly down to the differen Values to billions and trillions used in the US to those used in Britain and europe, and of course added to by the conversaion to dollars actually decreasing the amount shown in peso where as increasing the amount in pounds when converted to Dollars.
Sure Teaboy, sure.....
Nov 28th, 2011 - 09:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Be a good lad, go to bed and have a good night sleep........
Tomorrow you’ll wake up refreshed and 2,25 trillion £ richer.
Sweet dreams………….
As i have said i am not basis it on standard GDP data, i have inculded all exhange of money thats all purchases made in a 2-3 weeks and inclusion of the value domestic goods and services produced in the same period as well as government spending.
Nov 28th, 2011 - 10:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GDP does not include the money exchanged in purchases and sales, it only includes the value of Domestic goods and services produced and sold. Hence the huge differences. The 550 million expected to be spent online today, would equal 2,0075 10^10 million pounds (or 2,0075 Billion using US values) thats not including the 2 Billion 10^12 spent by the UK government per day or the millions exchanged in shops across the country, or transactions made over the phone or as a monthly payment direct debit. So 2,0075 10^10 million in 365 days just on online shopping, divide that by 62 million and you have 323,790,226 million per person. You see, in a period of 2-3 weeks it is quite easy to get $2 million per person. Off course the 550 million is likely due to christmas and spending is alot higher as a result. So yes think it all falls down to the difference between how many zeros the US use and how many britain use.
Teaboy, What's the square root of 36?
Nov 28th, 2011 - 11:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBqLER3ud7w&feature=related
Sir, francis Drake visited the Falklands in 1578, on his way south .
Nov 29th, 2011 - 01:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Battering the Spanish on the way ,left with his 3 ships,
It is said that on his way to the Magellan Strait at the southern tip of South America. A few weeks later (September 1578
In a storm he lost two men over board, they were picked up just by chance, by the 3rd ship
On its way back to England, and stopped at the islands for some cover, but of course this cant be proved as most of drakes papers died with him, and was destroyed,
Although it can’t be proved they were the first on the Falklands in 1578,
But then neither can Argentina fully prove hers,
Just a thought .
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@146 - square root of 36 is 6 or -6 depending on the context of the question and whether your refering to the principal square route or not.
Nov 29th, 2011 - 02:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0now i am not going to do answer any more tests on my maths abilities.
Sir, francis Drake visited the Falklands in 1578, on his way south .
Nov 29th, 2011 - 04:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Battering the Spanish on the way ,left with his 3 ships,
It is said that on his way to the Magellan Strait at the southern tip of South America. A few weeks later (September 1578
In a storm he lost two men over board, they were picked up just by chance, by the 3rd ship
On its way back to England, and stopped at the islands for some cover, but of course this cant be proved as most of drakes papers died with him, and was destroyed,
Although it can’t be proved they were the first on the Falklands in 1578,
But then neither can Argentina fully prove hers,
Just a thought .
Really britton? Still is TOTALLY PROVEN that the Spaniards sighted them much earlier.See maps by Ribero,1529.Malvinas are plotted,as well as Antartica.....
Just a reality!
Err no malviner it is not totally proven biy ribero in 1529 as the first confirmed sighting 1592 First confirmed sighting of the Islands by English navigator John Davis of Desire. In fact i have seen riberos maps and they do not go far enough south, the entire horn of south america is missing ohh and thats where the falklands islands are. in fact when you look at riberos maps, there is atleast 2/3 thrids of southern patagonia missing from the map, because he did not go that far south. The west coastline is only mapped from Guatemala to Equador, the reason is because he did not go south enough to go round the horn, to map the southern part of the western coast, as such he did not map the entire east coast and was a good 3,000 miles i would say from the falklands at his closest point.
Nov 29th, 2011 - 09:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0So unless you have a link to the contrary that does TOTALLT PROVE what you said about, then you are talking crap. And i do not expect you to provide such a link as i have seen the maps myself, in fact anyone can see them as they are on wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogo_Ribeiro
You don't half make some stupid claims malviner.
Bad news bot - a mere sighting hasn't been enough since the 1760's ... which is why Macbride so quickly followed up Byron. :-)
Nov 29th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/1480-1768/
Check out Islas de Palmas 1928
Can I just clarify that just because Britain may be in a spot of financial bother, in no way does it mean we are finished. Am i not correct in saying that Argentina faced certain economic problems 30 or 40 years ago ? Has that resulted in the end of your country ? no. The great depression did it result in the end of every country that was harmed by economic collapse ? No, so your comments are ludicrous and i suggest that you try to take a greater intellectual view at the situation .
Nov 29th, 2011 - 06:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We'd all be a bit richer if Argentina paid off its debts !
Nov 30th, 2011 - 03:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0RE:54, 122 Mercenary reasons: a clarification
Nov 30th, 2011 - 07:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When I mentioned that “ambassador” Gines Gonzalez (a former minister of health of the Kirchner gang) was attempting to organise a “malvinas” support group in Chile, I pointed out that the few Chilean collaborationists who joined such group, had done so for “mercenary reasons.” This is just a civilised way of saying for money. The word mercenary is derived from the Latin word “mercenarius,” which comes from “merces,” meaning salary.
Needless to tell you that none of the members of that sinister little group is a fighting mercenary. One thing is to act for “mercenary reasons,” meaning for money, and quite a different thing is to be a fighting mercenary.
Philippe
untill you invent a time machine ,
Nov 30th, 2011 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0then we will stick with the truth then, [british]
”Well if Chile is going to provide mercenaries;) Philippe,
Nov 30th, 2011 - 10:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I've a feeling that Argentina would prefer it if they provided more than just eleven house-trained geriatrics.”
Just a play on the word, Philippe.
I really do understand re. #154.
Surely you saw my ;-)
#156
Dec 01st, 2011 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Please let's leave Chile out of this attempt made by an amateurish ambassador to conduct a failed from the start, disinformation campaign for support to reclaim a non-existing territory so-called “malvinas.” It seems that Mr. Gonzalez will need more than hard currencies in order to be able to jump start “operations.”
Philippe
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