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CFK off to Venezuela to meet with Chavez and Dilma Rousseff

Tuesday, November 29th 2011 - 06:14 UTC
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Argentine President Cristina Fernández will hold a bilateral meeting next Friday with her Brazilian counterpart Dilma Rousseff in the framework of the first Latin American and Caribbean States Community Summit (CELAC). Read full article


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  • Pirat-Hunter

    I hope Chavez places a few ordes for a fleet of nuclear submarines, he will need them to fight US ships when US comes to theft the oil wealth from Venezuela.

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 06:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @ 1 Argentina will give millions to Venezuela because Chávez needs money to build houses for those who don't own a house, and you want Chávez to place a few orders for blah blah blah? What money will he use?

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    @1 “I hope Chavez places a few ordes for a fleet of nuclear submarines, he will need them to fight US ships when US comes to theft the oil wealth from Venezuela.”

    What and you think they can be built just like that, do you really think a country such as russia would risk selling this despot anything with nuclear technology in it. Lol keep dreaming Prat, hope your still in enjoying a wealthfare payouts in canada, i know a few canadians that would love to play a game of hunt the Prat Hunter with their high powered weapons used for hunting big game, especially prat hunter that is milking their hard earnt taxes in wealthfare payouts, that shows not thanks to canada or the head of state for their generosity.

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 10:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Chavez squandered a lot of his oil money buying up Argentine bonds. Billions at the last count.

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 12:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    The fact is Chavez has made decent money buying Argentine government bonds.Facts wrong again as usual.The doom isnt happening to Argentina its happening to England as chancellor Osborne announces today according to the conservative Daily Telegraph that England will have to borrow another 115 billion pounds to meet its commitments.Public sector job losses are to be 710,000 as the national debt will be almost 20,000 pounds for every man woman and child in the country.And that the economy will return to recession in 2012 while Argentina will grow at at least 5%,I would say Hugo should keep buying those Argentine bonds as he has taken all of his gold outside of the City of London where it clearly isnt safe in that debt ravaged nation

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    #4 What else was he ever going to do with it?

    #5 O gaga - You still don't read between the lines do you? We will wait and see who is correct - the pesos and the economy will fall apart in Argentina within the next 18 months. How many times will that be since WW2?

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 07:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Fact: Chavez bought the Argentine bonds because no one else would. He did it to buy control over the Kirchners and in the hope of gaining full membership of Mercosur. (Paraguay has thwarted this plan).

    Fact: All true about the borrowing and debts of the UK. We are honest about it and we PAY our debts. Unlike Argentina which does not and remains a pariah in the financial world.

    Your President is desperate for loans and has been out with the begging bowl. Mainly because she has run out of other people's money to spend. Did you not hear her recent speech spelling out the hard times ahead?

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 08:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • briton

    they will reap what they sowed,
    and good luck to them, as the world wont even notice .

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 08:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Chris R and Elaine the Greek Helen and Hector economic gurus indeed.CFK desperate for loans Why?The economy will end the year yet again in surplus with projected 4-5% growth in 2012 despite all the disasters eleswhere.As for Christy Yhea Argentina is on the verge of collapse growing at only 8% a year its horrific I mean compare it to the Eurozone how are they going to survive
    They are even saying on Corrientes theres a book shortage coming Que par de boludos

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    #3 you would know everything there is to know about welfare payouts, and if your threat is real make sure you send in the army because on a one to one fight they might risk being slaoutered like chickens. if you keep talking like that you might end up meeting your destiny sooner than you thought, just in case you might have your address printed somewhere write your will before you go to bed. sleep well son! I find it funny that the rights for Venezuela to have a nuclear defence programs do to threats from USA is a threat to ignorants !! does anyone know why outsiders don't want Venezuela or any Latin American coutry to be strong ?? maybe they just want to theft resources arm us to kill oneanother and keep a grip over our land. no could that be it ??? give us a break USA and UK are just a gang of murderers and thives, that is my opinion and I am sticking to it.

    Nov 29th, 2011 - 10:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Ohh is that a threat to kill me is it Prat face. I don't think so, for a start you would be out cold in one punch from me - Ten years Kickboxing training you see and trust me am not push over. Bring on Prat Face. As for “make sure you send in the army because on a one to one fight they might risk being slaoutered like chickens.” Err yeah you make a lot of sense their, you say better bring the army because on one on one they will get slaugther, don't you mean one on one i would get slaugthered? LMAO oh bring it on Prat Face, by time am finnish ill be calling you pancake face as ill have flatenned it that much lol. As for slaugther our boys one on one, well it didn't work out to well for you last time did it and even then you have thousands more soldiers then we did in the falklands.

    In appears you logic is that every nation should have a nuclear defense program, no not every nation should, the Non prolification Treaty proves that the rest of the world disagrees with you. Also western countries are reducing their arsenals including the USA, though russia is time its time holding the rest of us up, the aim is for all nations to be free of nuclear weapons, but when you have despots wanting to get nuclear weapons, then we can not give up ours in the hope they will not use theirs on us now can we. As such we can not risk them having nuclear weapons. Ohh and No latin country is looking towards nuclear weapons, you have agreements in place i believe making it clear latin america will remain nuclear weapons free. as for murderers and gangs and theives, well my hypocrite, are you saying argentina on other latin america nations are not murderers and gangs and thieves, they stole a lot of land from Your people prat, you know the native americans one of which you claim to be. They also murdered hundred of thousands of them, argentina even threw its own people alive out of aircraft flying at 10,000's of feet. F off you hypocrite. P.s. am a millioniare, i do not live benefits!!!

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    titboy I am sorry I made you feel threatened, but if it makes you feel better that was not a threat is a promise I intend to keep if you keep threatening people, you think you are funny when you sayd “I have friends who BLA BLa BLA hot air” well I have friends too, but for this kind of things I can fix you on my own, yes sure you can threat me all you like but are you man enought to face me on your own ?? at every chance the Canadian Police needed at least 4 policemen and you think your childish threats will make me run and hide. LOL you must be a comedian.I find it funny that the rights for Venezuela to have a nuclear defence programs do to threats from USA is a threat to ignorants !! does anyone know why outsiders don't want Venezuela or any Latin American coutry to be strong ?? maybe they just want to theft resources arm us to kill oneanother and keep a grip over our land. no could that be it ??? give us a break USA and UK are just a gang of murderers and thives, that is my opinion and I am sticking to it, say what do you have against Venezuelans anyways are you a white racist ??

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 01:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Excuse me, but i have not threatened you now have i said anything about friends. You keep making threats to UK and the islands, am merely saying what would happen if argentina did try anything. End of the day boarding ships in international waters under a false pretence that you have argentina has sovereignty of the falkland ilands and their waters when in fact britain does, is in international law an act of war, plain and simple, theres no ifs or buts about it.

    You can fix me on my own, eh, i don't think so, you will probably have to grow a foot just to match me in height and wieght 18 stone in muscle to take me on your own pal, whilst also knowing kickboxing, so please Do not make me laugh, though making me laugh so much is probably the only chance you will have of killing me LOL 4 policemen is that all.

    Since when as the USA threaten to launch their nukes at any country since russia in the cold war. so don't give us that crap of them US nukes being a threat to Venezuala, your forgetting they are on the USA doorstep more or less, so theirs a likely possability of the fall out from such a US Nuclear attack on any latin american country falling over the USA, just like the fall out from the JAPAN nuclear plant landed on US soil and a nuclear bomb fall out is millions of times worser than that leaking radiation from the Japan nuclear plant was. Right now the USA does not see venezula as a threat as venezula is merely a pest and not taken seriously, just like argentina isn't - though it will be taken seriously if Argentina do try to impede on spanish ships operating on falklands fishries licenses.

    Latin america resources, why would we what them, you have very little valuable resources as it is, hence why you mainly produce food and crops for export.

    And WTF is with you repeating the same stupid last sentence as was in your last post?

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    3 “i know a few canadians that would love to play a game of hunt the Prat Hunter with their high powered weapons used for hunting big game, especially prat hunter”
    keep us posted we all want to know if the Canadian hunters you know have a good aim.
    13 you can run but you can't hide, now how do you think this will all read in a police report ?? regards to your hight, last time I checked the bigger they are the harder they'll fall, apparently you keep trying to make this a personal thing, but even if any trashy stereotype you can concoct in your small brain is true, you keep trying to attack someone who according to you has less then you to loose, maybe you are just a born looser and troll here looking to boost up your girly ego by trying to impposse your backward understanding of history on others, it still doesn't take away from the rights of other people to support for instance a nuclear defence program, Brazil has one and I was hoping Brazil will extend the technology to other nations under threats, MAD worked for Russia and USA to disarm, as long as UK has a nuclear sub in South America the whole continent is under threat and so is Venezuela, Argentine, Chile, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Uruguay, including Islas Malvinas Argentina, this is why it is urgent for Latin America to put in place a nuclear defence program or a anty balistic missile system, I like more nuclear defence programs, it means more bang in the boom and it will make any groups of nations think twice before trying something as stupid as sending nuclear ships to South America. right now we have 3 clear example of what is expected if you do not have or give up your nuclear defence program. Libya gived up now the resources are thefted by NATO, you do know what's happening in Iraq right ? Iran is under the same threat and thank GOD North Korea doesn't have any resources otherways you would be cheering to bomb them tomorrow as well. P,S when you plan do it, in secret.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 04:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy1

    LOL oh so its now the twist is round on the victim game is it that your trying to play.

    Ok what i said in post 3 was merely reference canadian hunters, that go hunting big game, as am sure they would be on our side they would love to hunt an argentine supporter spounging of their welfare state. It was not a threat, but a hypothetical statement.

    As per what i said in post 13 well that was in response to your unnecassary threat to kill me.

    As for taller they are the harder they fall, well you would still have to knock me down first, which believe me, it simply will not happen as you probably do not have the fighting skills to even get 1 punch in against me let alone enough punches to actually knock me down.

    The only loser and troll here is you Prat face, in case you haven't noticed i am only responding to your threats and insults, if you didn't threaten or insult me i would not have to respond then would i? err no. plus your the one sprouting of incorrect facts which i only correct in my response, but you simply just do not get it and keep insulting me, so i insult you back, simple as. And yes you do have more to lose than me as i will not lose anything from any confrontation with you either in person or on this comment boards.

    As for understanding of history its you thats got it wrong mate not me, i known my history and i know the historical documents here in britain that britain has to confirm our version of history. What does argentina have in terms of historical records/documents to support its claim? sweet eh all. Hence why they refuse to take it to the ICJ.

    As for UK nuclear sub, your forgetting something, its only there to deter argentina is it in no way posing a threat or targeting any latin american country with its NUKES, and not only that what makes you think it is carrying any, as they don't always carry Nukes. By the way its you argentinans that are cheering to nuke the UK, we only respond in kind we do not attack unless provoked or to defend civy's

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @9 You can be childish or have a debate.

    It would help you enormously to try to look beyond the propoganda you devour so readily.

    Keep hanging onto those questionable growth figures like a life raft because you will need it. Even your own deity, CFK, has warned you of the tough times ahead for your country. Did you not hear her say it?

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 07:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    I am all for debate but when people are being ludicrous the response will be disparageing as in the book shortage case or now as in CFKS supposed desperation for loans If they were desperate for loans they would have caved into the Paris club long ago.I Dont have heroes in politics they are all crooked to some extent but the Kirchners have grown Argentina quicker than anyone over 100 years.The growth figures are not doubtful to any great extent even the opposition accept their vaidity its inflation where the division is and here both are lying its in the middle. But in England too they lie as in the money supply situation with Cameron who has the printng presses going full tilt trying to avoid depression.
    The facts are Argentina is one of the fastest growing countries in the World and lie everywhere will face big dangers in the coming years because of the catastrophic situation in a declineing Europe and that includes England.Of course Kirchner is warning people to be wary but Argentina with its tiny debt to GDP ratio and its booming agri/industrial sectors is well placed to survive and grow than most other places.But yourself and others are in denial about this and are desperatly hanging on to the hope the old indebted unstable feeble Argentina will return quickly.But the Kirchners if she continues to run surluses wont be returning to that.As Europe declines whether gently or catastrophically the future is Asian and South American so prepare yourself.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 08:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    I am up for a debate.

    You seem unreasonable fixated on the fact that Argentine friends of mine were unable to obtain certain books they needed for their university courses. It is a fact. Why they were unable to get them, I have no idea, I didn't ask, maybe they were stuck in a port somewhere for 60 days. But I can tell you that none of them is rich enough to shop on Corrientes, as you do, nor do they 'feel rich', as you do.

    Argentina has not made payment on long outstanding debts. The government has promised to make payment and to adjust the misleading figures it feeds the general public because they know they are false. You can say what you like but you cannot change the fact that Argentina is a financial outcast for very good reasons. It could address this by making debt payments (surely with such large surpluses they can arrord to) and to produce believable figures to gain trust from investors. But your government is running out of money fast and cannot do either. Smart Argentines have already moved their money out of the country in the billions. How do you explain that? Don't all Argentines feel rich and want to invest in one of the fastest growing and booming economy in the world? A country they live in. It doesn't add up, does it?

    You seem to think that only Europe - in particular the Eurozone - is in financial peril. The world's economy is in peril and it will affect every country; in particular the less wealthy countries like Argentina.

    I respectfully suggest you read up a little on the antics of Chavez in buying the support of financially deperate SoAm countries as part of his empire building. It is very interesting. For him, sadly, his plan has been thwarted by his own body.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    #17 O gara
    I am totally in agreement with ElaineB #18.

    But we will see who is right and I think sooner rather than later.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 11:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    titboy I am only stating the ovius, and while you think this is a game, I am serious about a nuclear defence program for south America, you might not care about the south Americans, but I do and I support their right to self determination even on a nuclear defence program, you can quote me on that. self determination doesn't just apply to colonist on their quest for land grab and theft, it also helps nations prevent occupation and exploitation by corrupt states. in any case you have NO SAY in the matter since this is a south American issue, UK and USA military don't consult with south America do they ? and there is no need to ask anyone for a nations rights to a nuclear defence program unless you have copy rights for the atoms, the sooner you understand that the less friction we are going to have simple.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 11:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Prat Face, i do not think its a game at all, i take argentinas threats seriously, just like i take your threats to kill me and do god knows what to my girlfriend seriously too. You support their right to self determination LOL Hypocrite, what about the islanders right to self determination. As for having a missle defense system then thats fine thats their right so long as it is not nuclear weapons they are trying to build. I think you will find we have a big say in the matter, being a member of the UN and NATO and being the in ownership of the sovereingty of the falkland islands means it is in or national interest to to keep an eye on things in south america. As fro copy rights of atoms, well its not about ownership of atoms, its about the fact argentina sign the non proliferation treaty and all south american countries have a agreed via treaty that south america wil remain a nuclear free region.

    You just simply do not get it you have no crasp of the repercussion of being a signee of such treaties means, especially if your breach the non proliferation treaty. If one single south american country built a nuclear bomb, the whole south american region will be flung into a weapons race similar that of the cold war. Is that what you want for your continent, as it will likely lead, given the hosilties still evidently clear between some nations in South America, to you all wiping each other of the map. Thats the game you are saying you want to see being played Prat Face, by supporting the view that they should be allowed to build nuclear weapons.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 12:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    18 Ok let the debate begin with the facts.Argentina you say is a financial outcast.WRONG Argentina has told the IMF it wants nothing to do with it until it is reformed.
    Facts Argentinas national debt under the Kirchners has fallen from 151% of gdp in 2002 to 49,1% in 2010 source the CIA World factbook and Eurostat hardly supporters of the Kirchners.In 2011 it will fall again
    Englands debt was in 2010 79,9% of gdp.( the same source).In 2011 and the years ahead it will increase rapidly.
    So your beloved England is much more imperiled than Argentina.
    These are the realities so let us discuss with reality as a basis
    The statement that your friends could not shop in Corrientes is a huge giveaway.You have never been to Argentina.Anyone who has been to BA will know Corrientes as a huge street where block after block downtown are filled with new and second hand bookshops where many can be bought for a peso.Practically any book ever printed in the Spanish speaking World over the last 50 years can be got there
    As for the Argentine government sending bilions out of the country.Well i suspect you are a fantasist imagining Cristina sending her minions off to Uruguay,Luxembourg and Switzerland with suitcases full of dollars.
    If so much money was leaving Argentina as you imaging the peso would be in freefall instead of declineing in line with INDEC inflation figures
    Without question Argentina is facing into challenging years ahead but my view is it is much better shape to survive tyhan most especially European countries drowning in a sea of bamk debt,pensions and welfare.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    as I recall it was your girl who wanted my balls and your bitch too, your words not mine. now back to the nuclear defence program for South America, all you need to know is that it doesn't concern you, and you are welcome to take your citizens from our nuclear and biological test grounds Islas Malvinas Argentina the sooner the better, that's all, simple don't you think ?? o I almost forgot you have a piece of paper show it to GOD and file a complain with St. Peter LOL. you go convince USA and UK to disarm their nukes then this south American will be willing to hear you, untill then good luck, you will need it! we also singed a debt wit IMF for billions LOL don't forget to write santa.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Teaboy2

    Yeah i said my girls response to your sick intentions were that she would rip them off and feed them to the dog. In other words she didn't want you or your balls but just wanted you to feel incredible pain of the likes you have probably never felt before. As for the nuclear defense program your keep referring to (which doesn't even exist) yes it does concern me as my country has an interest in the falklands and the birtish people living there. Unlike you i do not ignore threats to my own kind. You will never have a nuclear weapons, its that simple, if you breah the non proliferation treaty argentina will end up at war with the UN and Nato and other countries that signed the NON proliferation treaty if all other attempts such as sanctions fail to prevent you from getting so close to having a bomb that military action is the only option left to stop you. You have absolutely no since of reality do you. Errr the USA and other countries are working on disarming their NUKES, problem is Russia is pissing about and taking their time and then you have dispot countries like N Korea and Iran trying to build them, do you really think we would be stupid enough to throw away out own weapon that will deter such countries from launching their Nukes at us. The nuclear bomb is not an offensive weapon its primary use is to deter which makes it a weapon of defensive purpose. No western country intends to use it NUKES on another country unless that country uses a nuke on a western country first. Evidence of this is the fact it would have been a hell of a lot cheaper to nuke Iraq and afganistan then to deploy military assets and personnel in both AO's.

    So sorry Prat face, as much as you like to think our nukes are a threat, they will never be used againts any south american nation not even against argentina.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Pirat-Hunter

    as I said you can take the fakland island company and the illegal aliens from UK any time you wish there is no issue there, they are free people to go or stay unlike what UK does with Jipsys, in regard s to the none existent program you have NO SAY since it doesn't exist accoring to you, and going back to the right of south america to have a nuclear defence program, you still have no say because you are clearly not a south American, are you ? simple. today south America's right to a nuclear defence program is not your inmediate problem in any case, apparently somehow you manage to anger Iran and who is UK's partner in crime ?? well none other then USA, but wasn't UK and USA who framed Argentina to theft Islas Malvinas back in the 1800's ?? I could be wrong! but am I ? I'll take it easy on you from now on I'll call you bubbleboy, because only someone who lives in a bubble could have such a distorted perseption of reality, it's the only way I can descrive the bias stands in your comments. the days of “do as I tell not as I do” are over, I think it's time someone told you.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 01:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @22. If you want to debate well you should really try not to be so very emotional and take discussions personally. It is just a conversation.

    Now you don't want to believe that I spend so much time in Argentina. To be honest I really am not bothered what you think but ask yourself why you want it to be true that I have not lived and worked in Argentina, have friends there, attend important family occasions there and have a great affection for the place? Is it because I know the reality of life there and you would rather I did not? I shall be back there in January.

    I completely agree that the UK faces some tough years ahead, but the key point you are missing is that the country still has financial credibility and can borrow money cheaply. It still has a good credit rating because investors trust the UK to pay back the money we owe. (Incidentally, all countries owe money and have debts). Argentina's problem is that it does not have credibility and does not pay up. And the reason the government of Argentina lies about inflation - you surely cannot refute that - is that its debts are linked to inflation.

    Oh, and your government very much want to borrow more money. That is why Boudou is putting into place some of the measure the IMF requested and he promised to do. Obviously, he waited until after the election because it would not have been a vote winner to do so before.

    I don't know if CFK and her government salts away their money abroad though I am certain others will. But I have met many an Argentine, living in Argentina, that does. So, I know it first hand. And the measures the government has taken to try to stop the capital flight rather proves it, don't you think? We are talking tens of billions.

    Bats back to you................

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 05:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    26:Listen there is no emotion on my behalf thats merely an old trick when you want to get away from the facts which is what you always try to do.Lets stick to reality not your imagination.Anyone who has ever been to BA has been to Corrientes and would have seen the incredible array of bookshops.You chanced your arm got found out and cant hack it.Its happened to us all get over it.
    The fact is under the Kirchners Argentinas debt has fallen from 151% of gdp to 49%.How much if anything the Kirchners have stolen i havent a clue but the debt has fallen to approximately half what it is in England compared to GDP and will be less than a third within two years.Anyway I am sure they havent been getting teh state to maintain the moats around their castles as some politicians in dear old England do.
    Argentina has little or no interest in conforming to IMF norms it was this organization and its oligarchic cronies in Clarin and La Nacion who sunk the country in the nineties.Its the same organization and its lunatic policy of
    never ending cutbacks leading to less consumption which is choking Europe to death.
    Of course England has more credibility in the City of London but for how long as Europe is on the road to complete destruction unless someone finds out you cant cut your way to recovery.Cameron and Osborne are on the wrong road they are hammering the citizens of England every day 2011 wont be the only year of riots in London.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 06:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Look, I have been to BsAs many, many times over the last few years and lived there for months at a time when required to. You make some pretty sweeping statements like 'everyone feels rich in Argentina' and 'everyone who has ever been to BA has been to Corrientes'. Um, no. (How my Argentine friends laughed at the first statement when I relayed it to them).

    I have given you many examples of Argentines who do not feel in the slightest bit as 'rich', as you evidently do; I have met them. I also have personal experience of people visiting the city who never stepped a foot on Corrientes.

    Why are you so obsessed with trying to make out that I do not spend time in Argentina? I could say you are not and never have had a drop of Irish blood in you and that you do not live in Argentina. How does that propel a debate forward or give weight to an argument? It does not and is irrelevent.

    You are completely wrong in your information that CFK does not want to borrow money from the IMF and World Bank. I don't know where you get your information from. She needs money and she needs it fast. Why else do you think she has changed her tone in recent speeches? Why do you think Boudou agreed to comply with the IMF requests?

    Why do you think so many Argentines have taken their money out of the country? Why the need for capital flight?

    And I entirely disagree that reducing spending to reduce borrowing is the wrong path. The UK was unfortunate in having a populist government under Tony 'The Ego' Blair. He spent too much money and now it has to be addressed. Tough but necessary unless we want the country to default and become a financial pariah like Argentina.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 07:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    Here we go again completely digressing because you cant stick to the debate.What are you on about everyone feeling rich.Lets stick to being in Buewnos Aires and not seeing the obelisco.
    Has trabajado en Buenos.Aires ¿Donde?porque tengo tantas dudas sobre eso y sus numerosas
    amigos Argentinos que segun vos estan villeros.Lets
    be honest you are a chancer who has got caught.Address the debt gdp ratio
    of the two countries and tell me why if there is such capital flight as you say and if CFK is so desperate to borrow why has the peso not collapsed.It hasnt collapsed because Argentina has more than sufficent funds. And the determination unlike Europe to keep speculators in their place.If Argentina goes back to the markets it will be on its terms and not the IMFs or New Yorks or Anywhere else.its the same with the Paris club IF argentina was so.desperate as you say they would.and could long ago concluded a deal but on Europen terms.No CFK will do a good deal for Argentina.

    the two countries and not some.deluded hypotesis.

    Nov 30th, 2011 - 09:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    Still trying to make this personal. Pointless discussion.

    Dec 01st, 2011 - 07:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    #30 ElaineB Elaine, your reasoned argument and obvious financial knowledge is insufficient to ever convince the likes of O gaga (sorry, but I do laugh at the juxtaposition) of what is really going on in Argentina. 'He knows best'.

    Quite why he wishes to portray himself as Irish (perhaps he aspires to that) is of no interest to me, but his outspoken and misdirected support of the CFK 'disaster to come' is. It is this disingenuous viewpoint that continues to mislead the Argentinian people and will add to their inevitable financial downfall.

    But I suspect, that like me, you cannot let this travesty go on any longer if your continued level headed input manages to highlight the real situation for them.

    Dec 01st, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Be serious

    Maybe they want to discuss their more recent surgical experiences.

    Dec 01st, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • Philippe

    The most positive aspect about this “very important meeting” is that deschavetado
    Chavez has diagnosed his cancer as cured! Therefore, that meeting is already a big success!


    Dec 01st, 2011 - 04:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @ ChrisR. I find the blind devotion to the party line fascinating. Even CFK and her government have dropped the outrageous claims since the election and are warning of the inevitable tough times ahead.

    I think logical debate is impossible but I shall continue to comment. : )

    Dec 01st, 2011 - 05:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • xbarilox

    @33 so you are Hispanic!!! Why trying to hide it? Do you feel ashamed of being Hispanic?

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  • O gara

    Comment removed by the editor.

    Dec 01st, 2011 - 05:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
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    Dec 01st, 2011 - 06:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    The censorship board dont like it when the truth is told.I thought the English prided themselves on a free press.Seems like Clarin and La Nacion arent the only ones having some problems.Anyway its not much fun discussing with adolescents who imagine they visit exotix countries and have loads of friends there without any need to speak the language.A pretty normal English attitude I suppose

    Dec 01st, 2011 - 08:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @38 I didn't see your deleted comment.

    Getting back to topic, what is your opinion on this? “Third quarter capital flight from Argentina reaches 8.433bn dollars, reports Central bank
    Capital flight from Argentina during the third quarter of this year totalled 8.443 billion dollars, almost four times during the same period a year ago, according to the latest report from the country’s central bank”.

    Just curious.

    Dec 02nd, 2011 - 08:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ChrisR

    #39 'almost four times during the same period a year ago, according to the latest report from the country’s central bank'

    It shows that those who did not vote for CFK knew what was about to come and got their money out before she had chance to block it with the new regulations.

    Dec 02nd, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • ElaineB

    @40 Yes and the full article goes on to say ““This normally happens during pre-electoral periods” although in this case the rush on purchases of foreign exchange soared following the election”.

    1/3 of people eligible to vote voted for CFK. The majority of them appear to be poor and/or uneducated so are unable to see through her blatant lies about the economy. I can understand they see her as hope where they have none but it is a false hope.

    So, 1/3 chose not to vote and almost 1/3 voted for anyone else but her. Now they are salvaging what they can.

    Dec 02nd, 2011 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    You may be a juvenile who has never set foot in Argentina and have many amigas imaginarias but I will say one thing you will do well in your college debating society changing the subject when you are on the ropes.
    The little speculative run by the Porteño reps of Standard and Poor was crushed perfectly by the government.The movement has tricled to next to nothing and the peso has delaued a mere 7% in 2011 3% below INDEC s inflation figure.
    The ECB should really call up Boudou to understand how to protect a currency.
    The real economy meanwhile powers ahead car sales up 20% in November.Projections for car production in 2012 are upped to 1 million
    Tax receipts in november up 30% we could go on and on.
    All of this whilst your beloved England lurchs from one crisis to another even Scotland wants to get away from the sinking ship.25% of English households in 2011 now are unable to heat their houses(Guardian)
    Organized DIE INS being the latest protest movement in Englands capital.(
    The leading newspaper predicts over 25000 will die from this tragedy this year and with the recession getting worse in 2012 the figures will be worse. In the one time capital of the empire where the Sun never went down.they could sure do with a bit of sunshine this winter couldnt they.
    What you and others cant CONTEMPLATE ,CANT COUNTENANCE IS we are seeing one of the most incredible movements of wealth from one part of the world to another.EUROPE IS FINISHED.
    I am as a European sad to say this but accept its reality.An unsustainable welfare state,ludicrous public sector pensions allied to the greatest pyramid housing scheme in history has ruined the old continent and badly damaged the US which is a more dynamic society and will partially recover.
    Argentinas danger is in fact copying these policies.CFK has developed neccesary assignacion por hijo policies but hasnt overdone the welfare.So Argentina will grow in 2012 while England?????????????????????

    Dec 02nd, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0
  • stick up your junta

    The leading newspaper predicts over 25000 will die from this tragedy this year and with the recession getting worse in 2012 the figures will be worse. In the one time capital of the empire where the Sun never went down.they could sure do with a bit of sunshine this winter couldnt they.

    25000 will die ?

    Who can get it and how much you can get
    The Winter Fuel Payment is a tax free payment to help older people keep warm during winter. It is provided by the government to those who are eligible.

    Who can get it
    If you were born on or before 5 January 1951 you may qualify. It’s not means tested and you can get it if you’re still working or claiming a benefit.

    Dec 03rd, 2011 - 09:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0
  • O gara

    43 I assume the leading English newspaper the Guardian have some basis for the story or are they as creditworthy as some of the English posters on here?
    if you cant source it try

    Dec 03rd, 2011 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0

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