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Chile requests extradition of former US Army officer allegedly involved in the 1973 killing of two US citizens
Chile’s Supreme Court has requested the extradition of former US army officer, Capt. Raymond E. Davis, over his alleged involvement in the murder of two US citizens in Chile, days after the coup of 11 September, 1973 that ushered in 17 years of brutal military rule. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesNice, a US Army officer killing civilians, such an honour, as usual. Let's see what the paladin of justice in the world, the US, will do.
Dec 01st, 2011 - 04:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#1
Dec 01st, 2011 - 06:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Mouth open, brain in neutral as usual.
Or are you just trying to mislead people again xbox?
Are you paid by Argentina to write this nonsense: the US Captain did not ‘kill’ the journalists; he told the authorities where they could be found.
Without knowing the actual facts of the case I am not going to comment further. But, eh! Why spoil things by telling the truth xbox?
ChrisR, seriously, get off your high horse mentality. what xbar just typed is a snapshot of the truth. For some people it's hard to read or hear the truth but it's reality. The Business of the US used to be Business, by time it changed. It was never and it's not a secret that the US (CIA) was always involved with those rogue regimes. They are still doing that today and a good example of today (2011) is in Lybia. The US is hijacked by criminals (political and financialy). Mr Celente explains it why and where they get their ideas from and work: (HPY BB&B) Harvard Princeton Yale Bullets Bombs and Banks.
Dec 01st, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#3 I am aware that the CIA has, and may be even now, acted in a totally unacceptable manner around the world either subverting governments or supporting rogue ones.
Dec 01st, 2011 - 09:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That does not alter the facts that the US Captain did not shoot the journalists.
And, whether you think me as riding a 'high horse' is irrelevant, xbox persistently misrepresents the situation and writes the vilest personal comments against the original contributor: in other words, he has failed in the argument and resorts to unacceptable behaviour.
@ 4 what's this? a scottish catholic boarding school? and you are the monitor?
Dec 01st, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Amigos,
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0But,you all don't know how the CIA/DIA and some others was inadequate
to defend S.Allende while living.
But,we can say the CIA/DIA have been semi cautious on defending of
Castro brothers,Ahmedinecad and some mediatic others by now.
In the near future ? who knows.
ChrisR I'm not aware that Hitler killed anyone himself.maybe he did but not proven in a court of law is it.however I'm glad you know that Davis was involved as the USA,that most educated of states,doesn't know what he was doing(maybe he was involved) and they don't know where he is now.incidentally,its not a failure to control their people,they didnt know that soldiers where torturing people in Iraq.so it's not something that bothers them too much.now why don't you for once jump on people on your side of the battle of ideas and admit that they knew about Davis but the ability to prove it legally is difficult because the yanqui obstruct justice.(regularly I believe,but in this case I ask you to consider the comments of xbox and your criticism)
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 12:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It sound strange that when some organizations from one side do their work a bunch of human rights defenders jump to criticize them......but when the same work is done by the similar organizations from the other side, those human rights knights become deaf and dumb....
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 02:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As a Chilean who have lived those terrific days before and after 11S on 1973 can give my opinion with property, not telling what others have modified to their personal convenience to justify their actions that led to the collapse of our institutionality.
Of course, the US intelligence service known as CIA was working over all the South American countries in a age of cold war between the west and the east, where the main issue was the freedom of the people living under those very differents ways to rule a country. Meanwhile the most of the western countries opted for a freely way of governance with multyparty system known as democracy, the most of the eastern countries opted for the opposite, where the way of governanace was a hard control over the people with a single party and an elite ruling them. In Chile, as many of Latam countries, our traditional way was the domocracy and it was destroyed between 1970-1973 by a eastern (marxist - leninist) way follower coalition know as UP (or Popular Unity) after a long term strategy of weakening and it led the USA to take care of it backyard to restore the stability in the region helping those countries under threat.
Those US citizien killed on those days were acting in the internal politic affairs in Chile, which was and is unfair from a stranger from any politic preference, as well as the CIA agents were....
The context where the facts are done is very important when the analisys is made.....they weren´t nun´s kid, anyway.....
#7 Yuleno
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 03:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox, without any provocation on my part, but probably because he could not argue back sensibly to my post, made the most nauseating comment: ‘two doses of Argentinean semen (up my arse)’ That, I did not deserve nor like. So anytime xbox (who I am sure is more than one person or he/she is bi-polar –and I am being serious, not at all disrespectful) deliberately misquotes me or threatens death to people or berates the Peruvians, etc, then I will take him to task. The gravity of my response will be directly proportional to the gravity of his comment.
Torture in Iraq. The type of torture I presume you are talking about was the ‘casual’ response of the redneck squadies, both male and female, where they were not out to obtain information that would save lives: THAT I UNEQUIVOCALLY CONDEMN.
If you are talking about ‘waterboarding’ which attempts to obtain information to SAVE coalition lives, then I support that. You have to understand one thing about almost all Islamists: they do not care about any other persons other than Muslims. In fact, the Koran, interpreted literally as many of them do, demands death for all non-believers.
Islamists, in my judgement, are the biggest threat that all non-believers face, particularly if Iran manages to develop a usable nuclear weapon and delivery system.
But we were considering US involvement in Chile. I am not aware of any Islamist problem in Chile, so quoting Iran seems out of context to me.
#8 being chileno does not(not) make what you write more valid than anyone else's .What might make it more valid is that you have a contribution to make from knowledge, experience,and especially an unbiased view of events.being chileno or any other nationality doesn't do anything.
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 04:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#9 all Muslim and the Koran's teaching.how silly of you to believe what you say you believe.think about the controversies in the Christian religion.As for saying you agree with torture for a good reason puts you in a bad place doesn't it.Hitler had the justification as did Sadam,Gadafii,Videla,etc.And the USA cannot justify it legally which is why it obstructs justice.
#10 Yuleno I had thought that I understood what you were getting at with your previous comment, hence my reply.
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 05:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You have now confused me completely! How did Hitler etc. have ‘the justification for their atrocities?
Your first sentence re Muslims is also confusing. Do you deny that the Koran encourages Jihad (religious killings)?
As far as I personally am concerned ALL religions do nothing but cause trouble and we would be better off without them.
** 8 sergi vega
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 06:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your told ones are well known even by secondary school students.
tell us some other more details about Chile ,of course as a Chilean .
for example : the telephone code number of Chepica ??
#12 geo
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 07:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 05672
** 13 CR
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 07:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0true !
#14 geo
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 08:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you!
11# they justified what they did the way you justify torture.they supported what they did.If you were in a position to practice torture you would do it because you support it.Is that correct?
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 15 ah, so you're a Chilean, it's all understood now :)
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/dec/02/british-soldier-stabbed-afghan-boy
10@ Being Chilean, and have suffered the marxist-leninist Gvt. that destryed the chilean society, makes me valid to comment on those facts....Any stranger can´t comment so well those facts as we that lived them.....specially if you´r infected by leftist ideology and propaganda....
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 11:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact are we lived an internal war (almost a civil war) where the civilian Gvt. officers used to carry weapons and drove speedy cars on the streets threatening the common people, robbing the private properties (shops, frams, newspapers, trucks, etc.) to all that not accept their illegal pressure over them. They were the starters of the violence from state to citiziens and promtors of the violence from left side citiziens to the rest of the citiziens what led us to a social breakdown that have been impossible to forget even 38 years have passed.....Fortunately, the economic situation has been restored with very much sacrifice from people.
Those bad leaders from Allende´s coalition were the real responsibles of the worst days in our social history using terrorist to intimidate the people and impose the marxism-leninism by force, so what they deserved was what they received...no more no less.....
Those strangers acting in the Chilean political stage have lost their rights due they have not right to act in politics under our Constitution from long ago....so what they have suffered on those years was on their own responsability and risk.....(they were from a lot of nacionalties as Argentines, Uruguayans, Cubans, Frenchs, Yankees, Russians and other eastern european countries)....just garbage, no more.
Re the CIA:
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 12:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0General Rene Schneider - the murder of.
Check it out if you don't know the history.
The short-term obstacle to a coup lay in the person of one man: General Rene Schneider. As chief of the Chilean Army, he was adamantly opposed to any military meddling in the electoral process. Accordingly, it was decided at a meeting on September 18, 1970, that General Schneider had to go.
The plan, well documented by Seymour Hersh and others, was to have him kidnapped by extremist officers, in such a way as to make it appear that leftist and pro-Allende elements were behind the plot.
The resulting confusion, it was hoped, would panic the Chilean Congress into denying Allende the presidency. A sum of $50,000 was offered around the Chilean capital, Santiago, for any officer or officers enterprising enough to take on this task.
General Schneider defende himself against the abductors and was killed by weapons and for money supplied by the CIA.
#St john the case of the yanqui involvement in the killing of General Schneider is another example of the obstruction.#18 your reply is a perfect example of the reason why your contribution is not valid for the reasons you give.Many many chileans were killed,tortured and deported by right-wing puppets.You are not alone in your suffering,but think of others beside yourself.
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 09:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0The point at issue is Davis.Your biased monologue is an insult to the fact(unproven because the yanqui perverts and obstructs) that Davis was carrying out dirty work.You don't express your opinion on the matter but instead vent emotional anger on politics.The question in hand is a legal issue.Politically we know the right say Chile was rescued and the left say it was violated,and Davis or not,that will remain as it is.I think.
#16 Yuleno
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When someone is tortured they may tell you anything to stop the pain, they may say nothing even unto death (very, very rare) or (and this is statistically the greater sample) they give something away.
Imagine that a member of your family had been taken as a sex slave (see the film ‘Taken’) and one of the perpetrators fell into your hands.
Would you go as far as the film ‘Unthinkable’ if you thought there was a good chance this would lead to the recovery of your loved one?
Or are you telling me you would NEVER use torture if everything else failed?
All governments have their ‘special forces’. Quite rightly, these people are cold blooded murderers who can be counted upon to get the job done. Remember the Iranian Embassy siege in 1980?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgGyyRTP4fU
The British S.A,S. are the best in the world at this AND I am proud of every member, some of whom I count as my friends.
Does this answer your question?
ChrisR-your remarks disgust me.I cannot add to such a view.
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#22 Yuleno
Dec 03rd, 2011 - 09:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do sincerely hope for their sake that no-one dear to you is ever in the position that they need you to go as far as you can to save their life.
Believe me, there is no limit as far as I am concerned to protect my family, up to and including my own death to protect them.
But why am I not surprised at your reply?
Who knows.but you are a potential crimes against humanity candidate but I hope you don't get there as some innocent person will have suffered because of your paranoia and hatred.hope your family don't have to depend on you.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0#24 Yuleno
Dec 04th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh dear, yet again you do not understand: my family KNOW they can depend on me.
It is clear that you would be unwilling and probably unable to do whatever was required to ensure their safety.
I make no apology to anyone for the fact that I CAN be relied upon.
Not everyone is a paranoid.
Dec 04th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#26 Yuleno
Dec 04th, 2011 - 09:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Just to close this. I am talking about individuals (not governments or government agencies) trying to do harm to my family such as rapists, kidnappers and other criminals.
Are you telling me if someone broke into your house and threatened your wife / daughter / son, and were prepared to really harm them with a knife / firearm AND you had a chance to disarm or kill them, that you would do nothing.
The adrenalin alone drives you on. You do not feel brave but resolved to remove the threat in any way open to you. You deal with the police after.
It's torturing people we are talking about not defending family.You have taken it there after saying you agreed with torturing
Dec 05th, 2011 - 08:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0#28 Yuleno.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0Torture to SAVE lives, YES.
Torture in any other context NO.
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