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MalArg - posting has finished on the previous thread. Shall we continue here?
I believe that the question is exactly 'what did the UP control in 1816.'. The Viceroyalty and the UP were, from that date, 2 seperate entities. One with de facto rights over what it could hold, and the other, disputing the UP's rights and holding onto the de jure rights to Spain's dominions.
So no - the Viceroyalty does not assist the state that revolted against it.
And in 1816 neither the UP nor the Viceroyalty actually had de facto authority over the Islands. Spain mainted a de jure right to East Falkland which is all it had claimed when it left in 1811. The removal of the British plaque makes no great difference, it was an act of war and symbolic rather than effective.
You are correct about the whalers in that they did not attempt to apply authority, but they represented a continuation of British useage, unrestricted by Spain, or indeed the UP. No-one complained to Britain about them being there, other than Spain in the first years following the British garrisons removal.
However you cut it, the sovereignty issue in the 1820's had 3 players and all were staking a claim.
Argentina's claim seems to be the weakest, and whilst Spain's claim to East Falkland was without doubt strong, she did not protest or complain about the British re-establishing its authority over West Falkland and then adding East Falkland to its possessions.
Spain, in its Treaty with the Confederation in 1858 recognised the territory that the Confederation had, or would hold, nothing about any territory that it would lie to hold.
The thread was closed, so I've gone for the most recent news story which will provide the most time for the debate. Although if MalArg is saying that the UP got the Viceroyalty together with all its claims, and that Gen Elio left in 1811 with nothing but his socks, he's starting to struggle !
Xbox - this rig is designed to operate in stormy and rough sea conditions. It laughs at stormy seas like a member of 2 Para laughs at Argentine soldiers crapping themselves and running away.
Kiwi - we will await the order to attend the ICJ if this is illegal.
You Argies still have only two options. Military or Legal. Why do you refuse to do either?
Really ,you are very more clever person than me ,Andrew,William...
You know who are Andrew,William ...?,they are the UK monarch's princes who live in undeserved ostentatious living..but where are you ?
As you see we live in unjust world,what a terrible world,doesn't it?
#10 ed
Once again South Americans try to dictate to us about our domestic affairs. The Queen is part of our heritage; we have a heritage, because we are an old country. Stop getting envious of something you will never have and you never will understand.
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Disclaimer & comment rulesGreat, I wish you a stormy sea, good trip!
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 01:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX2Augg8Zk8
It is iligal!!!!
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 01:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0How is it illegal Kiwisarg?
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 01:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0MalArg - posting has finished on the previous thread. Shall we continue here?
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 02:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I believe that the question is exactly 'what did the UP control in 1816.'. The Viceroyalty and the UP were, from that date, 2 seperate entities. One with de facto rights over what it could hold, and the other, disputing the UP's rights and holding onto the de jure rights to Spain's dominions.
So no - the Viceroyalty does not assist the state that revolted against it.
And in 1816 neither the UP nor the Viceroyalty actually had de facto authority over the Islands. Spain mainted a de jure right to East Falkland which is all it had claimed when it left in 1811. The removal of the British plaque makes no great difference, it was an act of war and symbolic rather than effective.
You are correct about the whalers in that they did not attempt to apply authority, but they represented a continuation of British useage, unrestricted by Spain, or indeed the UP. No-one complained to Britain about them being there, other than Spain in the first years following the British garrisons removal.
However you cut it, the sovereignty issue in the 1820's had 3 players and all were staking a claim.
Argentina's claim seems to be the weakest, and whilst Spain's claim to East Falkland was without doubt strong, she did not protest or complain about the British re-establishing its authority over West Falkland and then adding East Falkland to its possessions.
Spain, in its Treaty with the Confederation in 1858 recognised the territory that the Confederation had, or would hold, nothing about any territory that it would lie to hold.
@ 4 why you're posting half a comment here, half a commente there? I think that's really pathetic!
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 02:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0ExBrain - what are you talking about ?
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 02:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0The thread was closed, so I've gone for the most recent news story which will provide the most time for the debate. Although if MalArg is saying that the UP got the Viceroyalty together with all its claims, and that Gen Elio left in 1811 with nothing but his socks, he's starting to struggle !
Xbox - this rig is designed to operate in stormy and rough sea conditions. It laughs at stormy seas like a member of 2 Para laughs at Argentine soldiers crapping themselves and running away.
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 06:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Kiwi - we will await the order to attend the ICJ if this is illegal.
You Argies still have only two options. Military or Legal. Why do you refuse to do either?
The British are more stupid than me .
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 10:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0Impossible !
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 12:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(#) 9 Amigo
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 02:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Really ,you are very more clever person than me ,Andrew,William...
You know who are Andrew,William ...?,they are the UK monarch's princes who live in undeserved ostentatious living..but where are you ?
As you see we live in unjust world,what a terrible world,doesn't it?
i think that the americans are more naive/stupid than brits..!!
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 06:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10 ed
Dec 02nd, 2011 - 07:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once again South Americans try to dictate to us about our domestic affairs. The Queen is part of our heritage; we have a heritage, because we are an old country. Stop getting envious of something you will never have and you never will understand.
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