MercoPress. South Atlantic News Agency
Spanish government ‘concerned’ with Argentine harassment of fishing vessels in Falklands’ waters
The Spanish government has expressed ‘concern’ about claims from the Vigo-based fleet operating in the south-west Atlantic which has come under continuous harassment from Argentine naval patrols claiming they are fishing ‘illegally’ in ‘Argentine waters’ in spite of having licences awarded by the Falkland Islands government. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesSpanish government is concerned with their sinking economy not Argentina's legal right to patrol their own waters.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was here.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 09:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0legal right to patrol their own waters
Dec 05th, 2011 - 10:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0you dont do any patroling near a British warship in “your waters”
Well, the Spanish still have a better claim to sovereignty over East Falkland than Argentina has ever managed to obtain.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 11:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Well, the Spanish still have a better claim to sovereignty over East Falkland than Argentina has ever managed to obtain.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 11:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Says who?/An expert troll,on Malvinas??
As far as I know,Spain,did not claim Malvinas for the last 100 years at least!!!
Ignorant!!
No they didn't .... acquiesence, if ever I saw it :-)
Dec 05th, 2011 - 11:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So tell me Marv, when and where did Spain concede East Falkland to the Argentine Republic ?
Something in writing would be good !!
@ 5 and he has never been there on the islands, he lives in Tanganyika, so you can imagine what's he's doing here talking nonsense, as usual.
Dec 05th, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain couldn´t be more suportive of Argentina`s claim.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 12:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 The possession of warships is precisely the only reason why you´re keeping the islands. Not because you have the right to. By the use of force you ended up there. By the same means you´re still holding them.
It may have been suggested that Vigo companies may have asked-
Dec 06th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0For Spanish naval support if required , or if being harassed in territorial waters,
But it may also be suggested, that Spain can either ignore it,
Report the argentine government for harassment in international waters,
Ask for support from EU countries,
Or just send the Spanish navy to escort its fishing fleet,
One persons suggestions, may be another persons liberty
Its over to the Spanish then,
Do they, will they , or wont they .
just a fishy thought .
Quite correct IsMal -
Dec 06th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 01863– In September, a further Treaty of Recognition, Peace and Friendship is signed between Spain and Argentina leading to the normalisation of diplomatic relations. Article 1 states, ” Your Catholic Majesty recognises the Republic or Confederation of Argentina as a free, supreme and independent nation that consists of all the provinces mentioned in its present federal Constitution, and other legitimate territories that belong or could belong in the future. According to the Spanish Parliament Act of December 4th 1836, the kingdom renounces any rights and actions on the territory of the Republic”.
The islands receive a diplomatic visit by Spanish Vice-Admiral Luiz Hernández de Pinzón
@5 “As far as I know,Spain,did not claim Malvinas for the last 100 years at least!!!
Dec 06th, 2011 - 01:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Ignorant!!”
Funny you should say that malviner, especialy when it was over 100 years between 1833 and peron claiming sovereingty of the islands that argentina never legally owned in the first place. And do not give me that vice royalty crap about vernet as we all kow BA didn't join the republic of argentina till it was federalised after many battles 1880, in fact, up until then it was the capital of the independant of State of Buenos Aires. now much of patagonia and tierro del fuego were also not part of argentine territory till the 1880's either. So your claim based on the falklands islands being part of the provine of tierro del fuego, when the islanders had been on the islands a good 50 years piror to tierro del fuego being formally part of argentina, is simply bound to fail and same for the rest of the south atlantic islands and the chunk of british antartica, which we claim in 1908 and you only claimed in 1942.
First past the post wins and we were first to the falklands and south atlantic islands and the first to the british antartic territories too. Which means theirs only one real theive with colonial ambitions here and thats argentina. Clearly you have now ran out of native american indians to subjegate and their territory to control and now think you can do it to british citizens and claim british territory too.
1863– In September, a further Treaty of Recognition, Peace and Friendship is signed between Spain and Argentina leading to the normalisation of diplomatic relations. Article 1 states, ” Your Catholic Majesty recognises the Republic or Confederation of Argentina as a free, supreme and independent nation that consists of all the provinces mentioned in its present federal Constitution, and other legitimate territories that belong or could belong in the future. According to the Spanish Parliament Act of December 4th 1836, the kingdom renounces any rights and actions on the territory of the Republic”.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sooo what?? Spain never said we do not recognized Malvinas......
I think you are crazy.......
Bye bye falklands.HOLA MAlvinas!!
correct me if I am wrong but isn't it ilegal to to run a pirats ship ?? last time I checked Islas Malvinas is still undisputed Argentine territory even if britain considers them uk's subordinates.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yawn
Dec 06th, 2011 - 05:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0When did you check Prat ??
Dec 06th, 2011 - 05:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Islands have never been Argentine territory, and the only pirate I recall was Jeett.
Quite right Marv - nothing in the positive so only the negative counts. Not specifically mentioned so it must be there ! Of course on your reckoning, the 1849 Treaty gave the islands to Britain anyway :-)
according to UN still under dispute, who are we going to believe UN OR UK ????? THE END!
Dec 06th, 2011 - 06:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the FI are Argentine then why does the Argentine Navy (I use that term loosely) decide not to go closer than 200 miles to the FI?
Dec 06th, 2011 - 06:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the fishing (or oil exploration) is illegal then why has Argentina not referred this matter to court?
If Argentina is close to gaining soverignty of the FI then why is there not one shred of evidence of this apparent imminent change of soverignty? Will that rig on the way down from Greenland have FI turn around (or will it pass by the South American mainland without a care in the world)?
The Malvanists need some of CFKs medication :-)
Where does the UN say that the Islands are still under dispute?
Dec 06th, 2011 - 07:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Something since 1988 and in writing would be useful :-)
Seems some of these Argentine fellows are getting a bit desperate and frustrated.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 08:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Union Jack still flies high and proud over these our beautiful and resource rich Falkland Islands.
Meanwhile over in Argentina Cristina's face looks even more bloated than usual.
So the Spaniards will seek Argentina's approval.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 19 We understand why you're angry :)
They're just hoping & wishing.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0l'd like to see the Spanish navy confront the idiots.
@ 21 you like it rough, fast and furious =P
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0as far as I understand the rules of the use of our 200 milles from our coast (Arg -continent, at the moment-waters) are a matter of Arg. We are a region of peace dont need militar vessels of foreign countries disputing territory using our waters for any reason. it would be a stupidity not doing it so.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0and the other vessels in this case galicians, like my grandfather, dont bother galicians, should accept the rules of our country and ask permission when using arg continental waters. its not forbidden, ask permission.
@12 in 1856 BA was not part of argentina niether were patagonia or tierro del feugo. Yes it says all future states, but in order for sovereign independent states to join the argentina confederation, they had to do so by free choice and not by force, Though granted in the 1800's a lot were forced by military action, which would be a breach of international law in this day and age. So no the falklands are not a province of argentina because they have never have been a part of the argentine confedration and have since prior to argentina existing, been the sovereign territory of the independant state of Great Britian.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina is not actually a republic but a confederation as it was originally called in your consitution prior to the name being changed after BA rejoined the confederation - A confederation is basically not a sovereign state on its own, but a number of sovereign states politically joined, very much like the EuroZone. Each province is still an independent sovereign state and could go its own way if it so wishes. Did Brazil or chile join the confederation, no they did not, yet you have a far better claim to brazil and chile under territorial integrity and historic claims for brazil and chile to belong to argentina than you do for the falklands. I look forward to seeing Argentina confederation split up and the provinces go their own way, as a result of your current economic bubble bursting sometime in 2012/13. You probably disagree that the province as independant sovereign states, but hay they all have their own constitutions and flags.
Just because you wish the falklands to be a furture part of argentina, doesn't mean you can use the Treaty of Recognition, Peace and Friendship to force your claim for sovereignty onto the falklands islands as thats like saying oh we want South africa to be a future province of argentina, ohhh look the Treaty of Recognition, Peace and Friendship allows us to have south africa as part of argentina. Errr i don't think so.
If the Falklands government invested in a deepwater port...... the Spanish fleet and everyone else would not have to go to Montevideo. The Uraguayan government is always sucking up to thier' peaceful' neighbours anyway ,so just cut them out.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:22 am - Link - Report abuse 0@23 - Malen, are you seriously claiming that argentine territorial waters extend to 200 miles of the coast of argentina? I think you will find they do not. In fact, the international law makes it clear that a countries territorial waters is a belt of coastal waters extending at most 12 nautical miles (22 km; 14 miles) from the baseline (usually the mean low-water mark) of a coastal state as defined by the 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Anything beyond the 12 nautical mile limit is deemed international waters.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also for the record, although the territorial sea is regarded as the sovereign territory of the state, although foreign ships (both military and civilian) are allowed innocent passage through it; this sovereignty also extends to the airspace over and seabed below. So the spanish ships that you are harassing have the right to innocent passage since the UN recognises the Falklands as a british self governing overseas territory, meaning your harassing of such ships is in breach of the UN Convention of the law of the sea i.e. piracy. It also means that as the falklands is 300-400 miles of the coast of argentina that argentinas terriotorial integrity via continental shalf claim is futile as you would only have a claim if the islands were within 12 nautical miles of the coast of argentina and if they had not been populated by the british, prior to tierro del fuego becoming a province of the confedration of argentina.
Can you now see why your governemt refuses to take the dispute over the falklands to the ICJ, its pretty clear to everyone here apart from a few die hard indoctrinated argentines that argentina has not claim at all and merely wishes the falklands were theirs. Fortunately it seems not all argentine posting here believe the falklands or any othe the south atlantic islands belong to them at all. Maybe one day the rest of you will start seeing sense and learn to understand international law as CFK clearly doesn't understand it.
200 milles are our zona económica exclusiva...ZEE
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0as in in “your” ZEE are exploting our resources of fishing oil, selling licences and etc. according to your rules, in our continental ZEE we do the same.
Doesn't make it your territorial waters under the Convention of the law of the sea though does it? No, it just means you are able to license vessels fishing in the area and search for and exploit natural resources in that area. Though it is still classed as international waters. Falklands license vessels and oil companies only operate within the falklands economic zone, and not illegally in the argentina economic zone other than for innocent passage as per their right to do so. Infact all you have sovereignty of in the 200 nm economic zones is the living and non living resources in the sea and on/below the seabed, but not sovereignty of the sea itself, as per the UN convential of the law of the sea.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0I suggest you read this as it shows the econmoic areas and also makes it clear you have no sovereignty of the sea in those areas and only sovereingty to the living and no living resources in those economic areas.
And as you interfere with our trade, perhaps we should interfere with yours :-)
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:15 am - Link - Report abuse 0Hmm....this is not quite the Spanish response Argentina hoped for....I thought the world supported Argentina's claim? Maybe not...
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Another day passes with the British flag flying over the Secretariat and the Argentines still claim it is a matter of time. How many more nails are needed Think? I am sure you have racked up quite a few in the last couple of years! But still there isnt a change....that must indicate a failure on Argentina's part.
not too many years ago the Argie fishing fleet which usually has a few members fishing illegally inside the western part of the Falklands Fishery area made a formal complaint after being overflown by one of the Falklands Fishery Patrol aircraft. Sad and pathetic springs to mind every time, time to ban argentine passport holders from the Falklands again I reckon.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0As per my post #28 here is the link that i thought i had included in the post, but clearly had not. It shows the economic zones and makes clear that you do not have sovereignty of the sea in the economic zone but only sovereingty of living and non living resources in the sea and on/below the sea bed in the economic zones as per the UN covention of laws of the sea - http://www.dur.ac.uk/resources/ibru/south_atlantic_maritime_claims.pdf
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0“its not forbidden, ask permission”
Dec 06th, 2011 - 12:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Malen, they already have permission. UNCLOS gives them the right to innocent passage. Argentina has ratified UNCLOS. Argentina has therefore given permission for ships of all nations to pass through their territorial waters. Get with the program!
im going to research to give you the right answer
Dec 06th, 2011 - 01:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but your english hms miltar HMS vessels what waters do they patrol??
between the 12 milles??
the 200 milles that are of innocent free pass??
which limit??
12 miles, 200 nM around the Falklands (there are no Malvinas) does not alter the fact that Argentina attacked the Falklands in 1982 and caused the deaths of many British people.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 01:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is why there are British warships in the area: they are needed to stop another cowardly attack on peaceful people.
But of course, it won’t happen now because the Falklands are protected sufficiently to see off the pathetic Argentinean navy and that in itself would stop a land invasion force. Unless of course you wanted to land some ‘elite forces’ (ha, ha, ha) in a transport plane, mmm, what about the Typhoons?
Haha! I love Brits comments, especially when they forget that UK's only 'reason' to 'civilise' foreign countries in the past 200 years was warship diplomacy as ultima ratio regum, and gay pipeband playing 'Onwards Christian Soldiers' and 'Men of Harlech'
Dec 06th, 2011 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We obviously never got around to 'civilising' you lot!
Dec 06th, 2011 - 02:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@35 The war clearly left some serious paranoia on the islands...
Dec 06th, 2011 - 02:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina did not attack, but tried to recover the islands using the force but harming no one.
The fighting started when the UK sent his warships in order to maintain its ocupation of argentinian terrirory. Then we have both sides deatdhs...
The British warships are in the area to remind us: “We are here ´cos we have better weapons... we don´t give a dime about your rights and international support... and we´ll stay here as long as we can afford it”
Afortunately there´s no dictatorship in Argentina, and we have a peacefull goverment... and we certainly don´t have the means to attack if another crazy guy had the idea to attack again.
So relax and be happy. You´re protected and there´s no real menace.
#38 Islas Falklands (there are no Malvinas)
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The war clearly left some serious paranoia on the islands...
No, just caution after the last cowardly attack.
Any Argentinean deaths are strictly as a result of misreading the situation then - just like they are doing now.
As long as the Falklanders want to stay there under the British umbrella nothing will change and there is nothing Argentina can do about it.
@16 According to the UN, the UK is the legally-recognised Administering Authority for the Falkland Islands. Perhaps your problem comes with looking up the name of a non-existent place.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@23 Regrettably, your gimcrack “country” is interfering with “right of innocent passage”, a provision of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. Not that the UK or the Falkland Islands cares. Have fun interfering with Spanish vessels. I can't think of anything better designed to get you declared “rogue” and “terrorist”. In fact, a bunch of gangsters who think “the law” is what they want it to be. Headed up by criminal delinquents like Kirchner, Timerman and Aguello.
@36 And what was your approach to “civilising”? Murder and genocide. How many native Americans did you kill? How many of your own did you kill? Evil, cowardly, little bastards.
@38 Yeah, like you needed 10,000 plus troops to recover something that was never yours. Sorry, I meant 10,000 plus cowards. Why else would you need 10,000 to oppose 80? Harming no-one. What would you call restricting over 100 people to a single building without food? Hypocrite. You may think you don't have a dictatorship but I say you do. Not to mention being brainwashed from birth. But you're right. The Falklands ARE protected. And if Argies try again, Argentina will cease to exist!
And don't worry. If we see an Argie vessel in difficulties, British vessels will speed to the scene. It will be good to stand off 100 yards away and get some graphic pictures of the occupants drowning. The only good Argie is a ....................
fortunately there´s no dictatorship in Argentina, and we have a peacefull goverment...
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0From our point of view,the current Government is following all the Peron footsteps and the country is bust which will allow the military a good reason to take over and re-open the Centros Clandestines de Detención and the 'Naval school'. Even peaceful spanish fishing boats are being harrassed and Spain is supposed to be one of your best friends.There is a real menace...its called the Argentine Government !
Malen. Read UNCLOS. Even a British warship can travel through Argentine territorial waters (ie, 12 mile limit) as long as it is undertaking innocent passage.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 The economic zones are not territorial waters, they are international waters only the soveriengty to living resources in the waters and non living resources on or below the seabed in such economic zone are the sovereingty of the respected owners to whom the economic zone belongs too. The zone itself is still classed as international waters and both military and civilian vessels are allowed innocent passage through both international and another countries territorial waters according to the Un convention on the law of the seas. Can an argentine vessel enter the falklands economic zone and territorial waters? Yes, so long as it for innocent passage, but once they harass other vessels in the falklands economic zone and territorial waters, they are no longer partaking in innocent passage but military offensive action. The UK vessels can pass through the argentina economic zone and territorial waters for innocent passage too, the law of the sea allows it.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Off course if a military vessel patroling their sovereign territorial waters (not including economic zone, unless the other vessel is acting offensively) then the military vessel of another sovereign state must follow the commands of the vessel belonging to the sovereign nation whos terrietorial waters they are passing through. If they are acting innocently then yes they can be asked to change course within reason, if in the economic zone or territorial waters and are acting offensively and if they fail to observe the command of the sovereign nations vessel, then the offending vessel can be fired upon and sunk in defense of the other vessels sovereign territorial waters or soveriegn resources in their economic zone, including in defense of other nations vessels passing through or operating in said economic zone.
@ 40 & 41:
Dec 06th, 2011 - 03:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Paranoia, only Paranoia.
And remember...
we´ll be back!
Hahah ;)
This is 2011, Bubba, and there is no such thing as Paranoia. It's all true.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argentine Imperialists are getting bolder.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 46 welcome aboard, newcomer, enjoy your stay!
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@46 Stop reflecting. Another psychological disorder...
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Its over to the Spanish then,
Dec 06th, 2011 - 04:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do they, will they , or wont they
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the Spanish fishing vessels association from the Argentine embassy in Madrid warning boats in the area that “Falklands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands and adjoining maritime spaces are an integral part of the Argentine territory.”
[Seems the Spanish may have no bottle left.]
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8936750/Argentina-launches-naval-campaign-to-isolate-Falkland-Islands.html
Fury as Argentina operates 'blockade' of Falklands by boarding Spanish fishing vessels operating with British licences
• Meanwhile, Argentina has increased trade with Iran by 70%
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/8936750/Argentina-launches-naval-campaign-to-isolate-Falkland-Islands.html
Iran-Argentina, fine example of democracy in action.
And when IRAN gets whacked, what next ??
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@49 Estás sumando puntos para el Borda... oops yeah comments in English.. sorry!
Dec 06th, 2011 - 05:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 49 What's Iran got to do with Spanish fishing vessels?
Dec 06th, 2011 - 05:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Jy5_uiXCI&feature=related
the title of the article I now notice is incorrect, because arg doesnt haraas others vessels in the Malvinas ZEE or territorial waters, it happened in river plate waters near buenos aires port.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 05:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 051 its their way of propaganda. to show us supporting Iran, when in fact thats not true. Iran terrorists groups attack jews locations in Buenos Aires. we dont support terrorists of any country. and its in judgement that episode. dont know how it end.
Some points from Spain.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 01. No Spanish vessels fishing in the Falklands
2. The flag of the vessels is the Falkland Islands
3. Vessels owners and crews are Spanish
4. Fishing licenses are granted by the European Union
5. The responsible of the ships and their actions is the government of the flag
6. The Falklands government has no maritime forces, while the British government can (if desired) look the other way
7. The responsibility to respond Argentine actions (if it must be answered) is of the European Union and the Government of the Falkland Islands.
8. The Spanish government protest “vigorously” but will not perform any action in an issue that feels closer to the Argentine positions
@ 53
Dec 06th, 2011 - 08:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so? Spaniard, you can still steal our resources, that's nothing new of you, but what the Argentine governent does is to let the world know what you're doing, now you know that the fish you put in your mouth, it's stolen from us. Remember cuando cambiaban espejitos de colores por oro with the natives?
@ 49 What's Iran got to do with Spanish fishing vessels?
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[no idea] sorry.
@54
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:13 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am not a fisherman and I do not steal anything from anyone. I pay my fish to my fishmonger and I assure you it is completely legal. On the other hand, my grandparents did not see any American Indian in his life. They stayed in Spain. Maybe your grandparents know something of the history of gold and the colored beads. On the subject at hand, I must say that I sympathize with the Argentine thesis and I think the ships of the Spanish companies should not fish there. In any case, I think there is a problem in which Spain has not to intervene.
A least you recognise that the Argentine position is nothing more than a thesis Astrubal...
Dec 06th, 2011 - 09:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why should Spanish companies fish there anyway? They fish just about everywhere else. Sometimes we even help them.
http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_32891.shtml
@57
Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spain expects at least let him fish in international waters. In any case, good done for the brave Royal Navy.
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Dec 06th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0?
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And also uk said that the decission is matter of ship owners.
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0www.defensemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=18219
apparently the superstitious Spanish still believe Francis drake still haunts the south Atlantic looking for Spanish galleons to attack
Dec 06th, 2011 - 11:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0so her navy is understandably nervous about going south.
What a haunting thought ..
Unusually, we have made a formal protest, is this :
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0a) under pressure from Spain?
b) preparation for a complaint under UNCLOS ?
http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/
www.defencemanagement.com/news_story.asp?id=18219
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0yes malen and they agree that the only real way to deal with it , is deterence,
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0a full british deterence in the south atlantic, and sod those who think it might be provocative .
We need more heat-seeking missiles !
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0With all that Argy hot-air they should be easy targets :-)
Argies are born loosers
Dec 07th, 2011 - 01:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0Nah ..... they practice !
Dec 07th, 2011 - 03:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Maybe you have watched this video before, but it's still interesting to hear what the British (you put the name) says and the Indian man too about British old ways lol
Dec 07th, 2011 - 07:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDg72KKRZrU&feature=relmfu
dear mr UK pirats please have the courtesy to file a complain at the UN and deal with the issue handed to UK by UN decolonization commetee, we can assure UK that by the time the decolonization is over there will be nothing for Argentina and UK to discuse in regards to fishing licences, simple.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 07:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0@70 The UN Decolonization committee can not force the UK or the islanders to do anything, plus the UK can not an will not do anything till the islanders so wish. In otherwords the islanders have made it clear they wish to remain british as per their right to self determination under the UN Charter which is legally binding on the UK. Anything from the decolonization committe is not legally binding just like UN resolutions are not legally binding.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 09:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0And on top of all that the decolonization committe is largely viewed as past it sell by date as the majority of colonies belonging to world powers are now either self governing (like the falklands) or independent nations. Which is all the decolonisation committe was set up for. Oh and look theirs only 16 colonies left that are not self governing, and i do not see the falklands being on that list - http://www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
So in regards to the Falklands the UK has met its commitments in regards to the decolonization commitee and the UN charter for self determination, by allow the falklands to be a self governing territory, who wishes to remain british.
71 I am sure UN can't force anyone to anything just as Argentina can't be forced to accept UK unwanted aliens ilegaly occupying Malvinas Argentina. the uk pirats are welcome to go anytime they want or be deported as many people around the world are, that is the self determination we are all given they are not special. white people think they can go and set up camp anywhere. this is clearly not the case here, free loaders are not longer welcome, I think Spain should be mad at UK for taking thir lunch money in exchange for another pirat trick, divide and concher has never being this easy. I think we should all go solve this at the UN decolonization meetings as recomended by UN, unless what UK wants is war, in that case I would want Argenina to get their hands on a nuclear defence program to get their point across faster.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0#72 Pratt-Junta
Dec 07th, 2011 - 10:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Obviously you mean a nuclear deterrent, a nuclear defence is just that - it deters by destroying incoming missiles to save your people.
You always want to kill other people you poor deluded Pratt.
@62 It is true that the Spanish have weaved a myth of the ghost of Draco the pirate (Sir Francis Drake) to scare their children to behave well. I always assumed the myth came with the Spanish that took the land that is now Argentina from the indigenous people. This was later embellished and scary pirates woven into the myth of TFIs by Juan Peron to subdue the fractious Argentine people. It worked.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0So, if you want to rule Argentina, tell them a few children's fairy stories and they will be eating out of your hand. No need for violence.
@72 You missed the point completely, as far as the UN decolonisation committee is concerned the UK has met its obligations on decolonisation as the committe was set up to make such colonies either independent of the colonising country or if they wish to remain part of the colonising country, then the committees aim was to insure the colony was self governing with exception for defence and foreign affairs. Those were the goals of the committee, it was not estabislhed to force a colony to go from being one countries colony to that of an other countries colony, no matter how much you wish it was. So sorry Prat hunter, the UK has met its obligations to the Decolonisation committee in regards to the falkland islands.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 11:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Something tells me you and your argentine friends on here, seem to think that the word decolonisation when applied to the falkands means the isalnds should become a oversea colony of argentina. Yet you fail to realise such an event would go against the core principles in which the decolonisation committee was set up upon, as well as against the UN charter.
Self determination is not about moving from one territory our another its about decided who governs or holds soveriengty of the land you currently live on.
Prat-Unt - quite correct, the UN has no jurisdiction over sovereignty.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 11:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well done !
73 no! I do mean a nuclear defence program to prevent Malvinas from becoming another Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanons.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 075 british civilians have the right to elect whoever they want in UK, in Argentina if they are undocumented aliens they must get documenst or go home that is how is done in all nations, let me remind you that fakland is a british firm not an island, I will state this again we have no interes in the fakland island and their british slaves, you can have them all back as soon as you want them, unless UK really hates them soo much that wouldn't care to use them as ponds in another war.
#77 Pratt-Junta
Dec 07th, 2011 - 12:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I have absolutely no idea what the hell you are on about with Libya, Iraq, etc.
You also prattle on about 'fakland (it's Falklands) is a british firm not an island'. Whatever mind control drugs you are on I would stop using them if I were you.
This situation reminds me of the days a few years ago when, before entry into the EU, Spain was in dispute with Britain over Gibraltar. Anybody in Spain who wished to visit Gibraltar had to go to Algeciras, take the ferry to Tangiers and then another ferry from Tangiers to Gibraltar. An even easier way was to go from Malaga to London and take a flight to Gibraltar from there.
Dec 07th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having overfished their own waters for decades the Spanish are forced to fish regions far from home. And here they are complaining. The solution for Spain is either to grin and bear it, or fish elsewhere.
74 ElaineB (#)
Dec 08th, 2011 - 12:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes some very good stories,
77 Pirat-Hunter
Jingoism was started by loser s to distract them from the truth,
As you is a perfect example of this,
PIRATES
Nathaniel Butler - English Pirate
Jan de Bouff - Dutch Pirate
Tobias Bridge - English Pirate
Enrique Brower - Dutch Pirate
John Calles - English Pirate
Peter Easton - English Pirate
Daniel Elfrith - English Pirate
John Nutt - English Pirate
Grace O'Malley - Irish Pirate
John Ward - English Pirate:
Henry Morgan - Welsh
John Morris - English
Thomas Paine - English
Richard Sawkins - English
Bartholomew Sharp - English
Black Bart (Bartholomew Roberts) - Welsh Pirate
George Booth - English Pirate
John Bowen - English Pirate
Black Bellamy (Samuel Bellamy) - Famous English Pirate
Edward Teach or Thatch, known as Blackbeard - English Pirate
Anne Bonney (Anne Cormac) - Famous Irish Female Pirate
Edward England - English
Henry Every (Avery) - English
Benjamin Hornigold - English
Calico Jack (Jack Rackham) - English
James Kelly - English
Captain William Kidd - Scottish
Mary Read - Famous English Female Pirate
Bartholomew Roberts - English
Thomas Tew - English
Charles Vane - English
Richard Worley - English
John Morris - English
famous female pirates such as Grace O’Malley, Mary Read, Lady Killigrew and Anne Bonny.
[and not a british pirate amongst them lolololol
1994 – Argentina's Defence Ministry drop their claim that the sinking of the ARA Belgrano was a 'war crime', and accept that it was a 'legal act of war'.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 12:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Treaty of Tlatelolco is ratified by Argentina, 26 years after applying its signature. The Treaty is more commonly known as the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean.
Are you suggesting that Argentina should breach yet another Treaty - Prat ??
Iran-Argentina, fine example of democracy in action.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0And when IRAN gets whacked, what next ??
That proves what I said before:britton,Vos sos un pelotudo!
1994 – Argentina's Defence Ministry drop their claim that the sinking of the ARA Belgrano was a 'war crime', and accept that it was a 'legal act of war'.
I do not care,redpelotudo: I will never forget the Belgrano......
If you can't take it, you shouldn't start it !
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Pelotudo? Argentina attacked first not the British. Therefore who is the real pelotudo?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0You? After all you tried to invade in 1832 and 1982 but were thrown out on both occassions !
Dec 08th, 2011 - 05:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Mar%C3%ADa_Vernet
Dec 08th, 2011 - 07:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands_Holdings
pirats neve change.
”Vernet later attempted to return to the Islands but was refused permission to return. The British Crown reneged on promises and refused to recognise rights granted by Captain Onslow at the time of the reoccupation. Eventually, after traveling to London, Vernet received paltry compensation for horses shipped to Port Louis many years before.[9] G.T. Whittington obtained a concession of 6,400 acres (26 km2) from Vernet that he later exploited with the formation of the Falkland Islands Commercial Fishery and Agricultural Association.[16]”
and now Argentina demands full copensation or UK can take the illegal aliens back home as it is done in USA with Mexicans and Gypsys in UK, simple it's the law of the land for everyone.
Vernet could expect no less ... he owed money you see. Too many of his promissory notes in the coffers at the Islands. Also he wanted to be boss, and he's already proven that he wasn't much good at that.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0As for his compensation - interestingly when he got to London he was Lewis Vernet - a French gentleman. Again, the promissory notes and the lack of any right in the actions of Buenos Aires were his downfall. A long-winded fella, he did hate to lose :-)
Vernet tried a deal with Lafone before Whittington who was unable to push his supposed land ownership, but did end up with his brother sitting on a farm.
Veret actually complained about Lafone not doing as good a job as he could - for the British :-))
All in the archives.
Argentina had no rights, and therefore compensation is not an issue - Prat
@82Malvinero1,
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Who cares what you will never forget.
Sinking the Belgrano was a legitimate act of war. A war that your country started.
lf you didn't want the Belgrano sunk, then you should not have invaded OUR lslands.
Actually the submarine should have sunk the two other warships that were there,as well.
Now that would make your eyes water.
I think the Spanish government should take the issue to London or UN , file a complain take a seat and wait a little over 100 years, as Argentina did, maybe they will begin to understand the meaning of equal rights and true justice, I think UK ilegal aliens have rights to theft from UK if they want, in Argentina we still have laws against pirats and thieves.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0File away Prat !
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0We know about equal rights, we were right in there developing the concept.
Equal rights for the Islanders ..............I like it :-)
@89 And just why would the Spanish need or want to complain to London or to the UN about the UK? It is not UK or falkland vessels that are harassing Spanish fishing vessels, so they have no legal course for action against the UK. It is the Argentina navy that is acting in breach of the UNCLO by harassing ships that are partaking in innocent passage and by implementing an illegal blockade of the falklands. Maybe we shoudl send the Royal Navy to bloackade all your ports in a response to your illegal bloack, to prevent ships entering and leaving argentina. Then we would soon see you crying when you run out of oil and food as it will not take long for demand to surpass what is available. Would you like us to do that?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 12:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Ohh i fogot your not even an argentinian you a american indian living in canada. Which leaves the question as to why your even bothered about the falklands as it has nothing to do with you since your neither british or argentine.
Malvinero1 (#)
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do not care,: I will never forget the Belgrano....
And we wont forget the argentine cowardly savage attack on a harmless innocent unarmed undefended little island
86 Pirate-Hunter
Where’s the British pirates,
Or have you now changed the subject,
Every time Argentina is told the truth,
It reverts back to name calling,
[in other words, you are frightened of the truth ]
..
.
Argentina can be forced to do anything. It is politically, financially, economically and militarily weak. It is all bluster. When push comes to shove, Talk is cheap. Action speaks louder than words. Let Argentina talk. The reality is Argentina is powerless
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0People are bored with Argentina's rhetoric. Time to decline further polite discourse. Better to remain in magnificent isolation.
The Falkland Islands shall develop independently without recourse to Argentina
Britain and the Falkland Islanders shall ignore Argentina, but Great Britain shall ensure Argentina obeys its UN Charter obligations whether Argentina wishes to or not
#90 as british citizens they have all their rights seccured in UK, I am 100% with you on that, however Islas Malvinas Argentina are not negotiable, but we are willing to discuse the future of the fakland island company and their inplanted british colony. trust me it would be better then spending $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in weapons to have them kill eachother at the end, you can try to prove me wrong but if history is any indication of things to come this spanish reaction to a pirat ship is starting to show the alignments of the stars pointing to a cataclism in the understanding of the pirats in Argentina and fishing ships of spain. somehow Europeans have drained their natural resources and are coming to Argentina to theft more, Argentina should start building themselves a fleet of u-boats and send them out to hunt for pirats.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 094 Pirat-Hunter [ilaswhatever does not exist]
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0But we are willing to discuss the future of the fakland [Falklands] island
Better then spending $$$ [££££ ] in weapons to have them kill each other
[If its their freedom, why not ? ]
This Spanish reaction to a pirat [pirate ] ship is starting to show,
if the Spanish choose to do nothing, that is their problem,
Sooner or later [we will]
= alignments of the stars,,[so now you are an astrologer ]
, Argentina should start building themselves a fleet of u-boats and send them out to hunt for pirats.
U-Boats, wouldn’t they be a bit to old, even for Argentina,
Unless you guys carry cans of [WD40] ??
alignment of the stars pointing up your ar#e more like.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 01:29 am - Link - Report abuse 0The famous “Hecho en Argentina”. Speaks volumes. Quality second to none. Make them. go ahead. make a million. I think i'd pay to go and see the maiden voyage of that fleet. How's the Railways going anyway? fixed any latley?
BTW what would the U stand for?
Quite right, the ownership of the Falklands is not negotiable as it rests with the Islanders.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 02:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UK says that every time the subject comes up.
Glad you've started to listen :-)
Useless
Dec 09th, 2011 - 03:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unusable
Unstable
Underfunded
I do not care,: I will never forget the Belgrano....
Dec 09th, 2011 - 04:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0And we wont forget the argentine cowardly savage attack on a harmless innocent unarmed undefended little island
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH,britton...how many people did we killed?/NOT ONE!
How many brit or malvinenses were hurt? NOt even one!
imbecil!!
How many people did you kill ? ?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0None??
Are you completely mad ??
Or just stupid!
@99Malvinero1,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0What about the 255 British servicemen that died because of what you did? You bloody idiot. We haven't forgotten that either.
l see your keyboard is stuck again, you poltroon.
#95, #97 you can take the fakland island company to UK whenever you want, they are free and always will be free to deside on by themsleves if they want to stay in Islas Malvinas Argentina or go back to UK with their british firm, we have no issue there. and yea maybe u-boats are old but about a few small high speed stealth intercontinetal submarines, just too see if any of the thousand brits at sea can swim from Antartica back to UK.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 11:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0#96.#98 if you are not here to help you are getting in the way of progress, but since you live in Argentina I am sure you already knew that. in your case the u stand for uneducated but for intellectuals it's just a german submarine used in the WW2 easily found by google, and after both of you find it go start working on the railways you lazy Argentines, stop waiting for Cristina to everything for you.
#99 if Argentina had deported all of the british illegal aliens as USA does to Mexicans today there would be bery little resistance, UK and USA used to execute their prisioners of war and arm mersenary and terrorists I am sure they still do, Argentina has a lot to learn but time and history is in Argentina's side, this is why wee see this many britards on Argentine news blogs.
#101 lol 255 pirats, war mongers, murderers and thieves, at your service in our eyes collateral damage. no Argentina's Military didn't kill any people, not even 1, perhaps next time Argentina can execute 3,255
and finally put an end to the 100 year illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina.
@102 - “we have no issue there. and yea maybe u-boats are old but about a few small high speed stealth intercontinetal submarines,”
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What U-boats that are diesel/battery powered... You class them as high speed incontinental submarines. God you don't half talk a load of crap. Keep dreaming dear boy as you will have to build the dam things first, and then they would need to float and not sink to the bottom. We can soon take them old high speed intercontinental U-boats out with modern torpedoes, before you could even tell we were there
“if Argentina had deported all of the british illegal aliens as USA does to Mexicans today there would be bery little resistance, UK and USA used to execute their prisioners of war and arm mersenary and terrorists I am sure they still do, Argentina has a lot to learn but time and history is in Argentina's side”
Right and argentina never excuted prisoners or war, ohh but then they prefer to throw people out of places still alive at 10,000 ft with no chute, and they also like to kill innocent american natives, your own blood, remeber your american native living in canada. As for history being on argentina's side, would that be 1833, 1982 and the years the junta ruled argentina then. Lol you don't have like to make us laugh, perhaps you should consider a career change and become a comedian just so we can all laugh at how dumb you are. Oh i forgot people laugh with comedians not at them lol.
“no Argentina's Military didn't kill any people, not even 1,” - Thats funny because its well known that 3 civilians were killed in the falklands war. It may not have been by argentina weapons, but the fact is they would still be alive today if argentina had not invaded. so ultimately argentina and their actions resulted in the 3 civilian deaths along with the deaths of 649 argentine and 255 british soldiers, who would also likely still be alive today if it had not been for argentinas actions. And at least we brits don't go for a shit in post office
99 Malvinero1 (#) Dec 09th, 2011 -
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH,britton...how many people did we killed?/NOT ONE!
How many brit or malvinenses were hurt? NOt even one!
imbecil!!
Clearly this person is is so indoctrunated it is pointless to debate with him. But this is about the level of the average argentine.
those two are so bloody thick headed, that even insulting them, would be seen as a complement, thats how much indocrinated they really are,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and not worth bothering abt
@104 & 105,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Agreed.
#103 the diference between you and me is that you forgot history and the crimes commited in the name of justice I didn't, those cowards who threw people out of airplanes were son's of europeans, no Argentine went hunting their own blood as you stated, most natives where hunted down by europids. you should read history before you start spewing ignorant propaganda.
Dec 10th, 2011 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Spanish priest Bartolomé de Las Casas (who was living in the Dominican Republic at the time) wrote in his 1561 multivolume History of the Indies There were 60,000 people living on this island [when I arrived in 1508], including the Indians; so that from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this?
In 1511, several caciques in Puerto Rico, such as Agüeybaná, Urayoán, Guarionex, and Orocobix, allied with the Caribs and tried to oust the Spaniards. a Taíno chieftain who had fled from Hispaniola to Cuba with 400 natives to unite the Cuban natives, was burned at the stake on February 2, 1512. In Hispaniola, a Taíno chieftain named Enriquillo mobilized over 3,000 Taíno in a successful rebellion in the 1520s. These Taíno were accorded land and a charter from the royal administration. Despite the small Spanish military presence found in the region they were, in fact, able to utilize the diplomatic divisions and, with help from powerful native allies, they were able to control most of the region. In exchange for a seasonal salary, religious and language education, the Taínos were required to work for Spanish and Indian land owners; these services were part of a system called the encomienda.Scholars now believe that, among the various contributing factors, such as purposeful destruction of the people by the colonists and enslavement, newly imported epidemic disease (smallpox, influenza, measles, and typhus was the cause of the population decline of the indigenous people www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno_people
Prat - you are living proof that Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence EVERY time :-)
Dec 11th, 2011 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0(thankyou Terry Pratchett)
Rotted-“The truth may be out there, but lies are inside your head” :-)
Dec 11th, 2011 - 05:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0(Thank you Terry Pratchett)
#109 MA
Dec 11th, 2011 - 07:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The correct quotation is:
'The truth may be out there, but THE lies are inside your head'
The CAPS denote the omission. The grammar is now correct.
...down with Colonialism,usa israel england,soon you'll not be missed!!!!
Dec 12th, 2011 - 03:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0And the Truth IS out there MoreCrap. I have no lies inside MY head.
Dec 12th, 2011 - 05:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Malvinas No Son Argentinas :-))
If Argentina to need, Brazil can send ours navys to help in vigilance of yours waters.
Dec 12th, 2011 - 09:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0@113Brasileiro,
Dec 12th, 2011 - 09:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thank you. Thats very nice of you, but we can frighten the Argentine Navy all by ourselves.
:-)
Dec 12th, 2011 - 12:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@107 Right so according to you prat face, what the argentinians ancester did in the past is not relevant yet what the british ancestors did in the past is relevant. Sorry Prat face, but regardless of where the argentinians ancesters came from they are still their ancesters just like the british ancestors are still there ancesters. and the fact is modern day argentinians benefited from the actions of their ancesters.
Dec 12th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry Prat face, but just because the argentinians ancesters were european, it doesn't mean argentina is not responsible for its actions in the past, as it clearly is responsible. To say it is not yet to say we are responsible for what our british ancestors did is hyprocrism pure and simple. Its is not one rule for argentina and another rule for britian, no matter how much you like to think it is. Your views are simply deluded if you believe the crap your sprouting out of your mouth.
As for telling me i do not know about history, well i can assure you i know a hell of alot more about hsitory than you. Unfortunately their is no button on here, that will cause you to self destruct. If their was am sure i and alot of others will have clicked on it by now. But as their isn't then i geuss we shall just have to ignore all the indoctrinated twisted view of history that you keep spouting on about.
hear hear .
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