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Argentine lawmaker blasts UK marine conservation project in South Georgia
Argentine lawmaker and president of the Malvinas Islands Parliamentary Observatory Alfredo Atanasof said Britain’s intention of creating a huge marine conservation zone in waters of South Georgia was “completely illegitimate”. Read full article
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Dec 08th, 2011 - 07:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0So Argentina advocates “rejection” of conservation and protecting whales. Interesting.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 08:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0USS Lexington raidIn 1831, Vernet attempted to assert his monopoly on seal hunting rights. This led him to capture the American ships Harriet, Superior and Breakwater. As a reprisal, the United States sent Captain Silas Duncan of the USS Lexington to recover the confiscated property. After finding what he considered proof that at least four American fishing ships had been captured, plundered, and even outfitted for war, Duncan took seven prisoners aboard the Lexington and charged them with piracy.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Also taken on board, Duncan reported, ”were the whole of the (Falklands') population consisting of about forty persons, with the exception of some 'gauchos', or cowboys who were encamped in the interior.“ The group, principally German citizens from Buenos Aires, ”appeared greatly rejoiced at the opportunity thus presented of removing with their families from a desolate region where the climate is always cold and cheerless and the soil extremely unproductive”. However, about 24 people did remain on the island, mainly Gauchos and several Charrua Indians, who continued to trade on Vernet's account.
Measures were taken against the settlement, the log of the Lexington reports destruction of arms and a powder store, while settlers remaining later said that there was great damage to private property.[12] Towards the end of his life, Luis Vernet authorised his sons to claim on his behalf for the his losses stemming from the raid. In the case lodged against the US Government for compensation, rejected by the US Government of President Cleveland in 1885, Vernet stated that the settlement was destroyed.[13]
after reading this I wonder when will Argentina deport all pirats and british illegal aliens ??
Complain to the Yanks, not us!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0Oh, you did ... din't get you anywhere though did it. They said that Buenos Aires had no right to be on the Falklands. We agreed and RE-possessed them.
Illegal aliens should always be thrown off - and they were, in 1832 and 1982.
:-)
And will be ejected for the third time if they dare to invade again!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0Atanasof sounds like a goose.
Well, well !! It is another colonialist action Pirate from Brits ,I think it is the right time to talk the dispute over sovereignty and do not to speak about the bloody common interest in conservation!!! Brits it is right now time to discuss the dispute over sovereignty ” Argentina Malvinas Islands !!!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0So what have you got against conservation?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0A 'lawmaker from the Lower House' indeed.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0So why does he continue to flout and subvert international law with regard to the Falklands (there no Malvinas) and free passage of shipping through sea lanes?
Typical hypocritical Argentino.
#5 I thought he looked like an ugly walrus - fat, hairy and only good for lying on an antartic beach - he should be taken there and dropped on a beach. For good measure and to be true to Argentiean history, out of a plane at 10,000 feet without a parachute.
“We are strong supporters of International law and we insist in the compliance of resolutions from the different international organizations for the reestablishment of sovereignty negotiations over the Falklands/Malvinas Islands”, concluded the Argentine member of the Lower House.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Thats the Falkland Islands... What does this have to do with South Georgia.
There are now UN resolutions of ANY kind calling for the UK to negotiate sovereignty or South Georgia OR the South Sandwich Islands.
While I can understand - though not agree with - why Argentina thinks it has a claim to the Falklands - no matter how far fetched, BUT they have ZERO claim on South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands.
More lies from Argentina. There is a shocker.
go to this link and read a brit paint himslef into a corner.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.britishempire.co.uk/maproom/falkland/gettingitright.pdf
“We are strong supporters of International law”
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0Except for the illegal blockade & the harassment & murders of innocent fishermen. Then you have all the treaty violations & illegal seizure of foreign owned assets.
#11 if you support international laws, end the illegal occupation of Islas Malvinas Argentina, accept the repatriation of all british unwanted illegal aliens, and put an inmediate stop to piracy and theft in Islas Malvinas, simple.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:32 am - Link - Report abuse 0@12 Sorry no illegal occupation & it doesn't matter how many times you say it is the UN says different & until your government challenges it in court it will stay that way, simple.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Good site Prat - have you actually read it ?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0We do support international laws, all of which are on Britain's side!
But you believe otherwise, which only goes to prove that you CAN fool SOME of the people ALL of the time.
Atanasof. Is that a native South American name? Mapuche perhaps?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 11:49 am - Link - Report abuse 0Like Roberts it's not of Argentinian origin but like yourself he lives in Argentina and he is an Argentinian citizen.If that's a problem to you it is something that you can address in a small way J A.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Whats it got to do with the Law making Muppet's in Argentina? South Georgia like the Falkland Islands have nothing to do with them.So I wont mince words with them PISS OF
Dec 08th, 2011 - 01:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0never mind brutish pirates! Don't you love this times? The fact that you're going down it's almost as good as getting the islands back! =)
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Awesome times!
Going down??
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Compared to who?
Its ours, they are ours, everything is ours , we own the world,
Dec 08th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And Argentina calls its self civilised,
Just to cover up her territorial ambitions,
And if she could get away with it,, who else will be added to the growing ARGENTINE EMPIRE
.
there's nothing to compare, redhorny. You don't really see it or you don't wanna? The entire world does not support your claim, don't you love when diplomacy works?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 03:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Marvelous times =)
Don't you love this times?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 03:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yah its great fun watching you lot in total denial of the state of your economy watching your leader silence anyone who dares tell you the truth while raiding your pensions for 29 Billion, re-nationalizing everything & refusing to pay back your debts.
Awesome times indeed!
@22 wonder where you got all of that. I could also talk about the marvels of U.K but this is not the subject, isn't it?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 03:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who could care less about what some argentine politico says, Guess What! Britain is not listening to a third world sink hole that happily polute there country and rape there own people just to line the pockets of the elite!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
http://www.clarin.com/politica/Puricelli-XXI-recuperacion-Islas-Malvinas_0_605339665.html
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“XXI Century is the century of the recovery of Malvinas.”
Yes Sir!
Yuleno, I don't live in Argentina, but I did grow up there. And it amuses me beyond end when Argentines dismiss the Falkland Islanders and their rights because they were somehow “implanted”, yet almost every Argentine is of European heritage, and about 90% of them exclusively so.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyway, how does Argentine justify its claim to South Georgia? Perhaps you could explain because I have yet to see any reasonable one...
@26 we expelled the spanish regime and fought aginst it in at least 3 other countries of the region with no intentions of “territorial expansion”, thus it's in our constitution to recieve every person who would like to live in our country.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0grab some books buddy, 'cause you know shit about us
@25 the malvinas do not exist it is just a fairy tale made up by corrupt argentine polticians to distract small children from the s**t hole they are living in!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Nothing surprise anymore about London, another desperate attempt by the English to hold stolen land. At the same time they have a military base nearby with all kinds of weapons, a disgraceful example of British imperialism.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0When nothing else work for them and the World pressure is mounting they try to turned any old colony into a “protected area”.
Mike Bingham can't stop laughing.
“Chagos Islanders attack plan to turn archipelago into protected area
”UK government proposals a ploy to block displaced Chagossians from returning to their homeland”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/mar/29/chagos-island-marine-reserve-plans
@ 26 My parents are not natives of south america, but I am, and that gives the right to live here, this is my home. The islanders' situation is different, the UN should form a commission on this issue, so we can decide what must be done with the islanders. Even though it sounds crazy, we could give them some money and buy them houses somewhere else, in Europe, or where they like. That would be the only solution as far as I can see. There is no other way. I hope the UN takes this issue seriously, because we have all those people in the islands and living in expectation. They are in the hands of British government and the Argentine government, I think it's not very nice, not knowing if one day you'll be ejected from your house or not.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Xbox -you are a TROLLER.you think the falkland islands are beautiful.don't you?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 Most of the Falklanders were born there and have a right to exist and control there own future! and why should they be treated any less than an argentine citizen, but you are right the UN will do nothing and the Falklanders will live out there life in there Islands.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 04:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ @ 31 You see, f*cking piece of sh*t, I don't care if you believe or not whatever the f*ck you want to believe. If you have the power to decide what must be done in these forums do something more than just talk. You are a simpleton.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 32 that's what I mean when I say what I say. To decide, so neither Argentina, nor the UK will decide on the islanders' situation but a comission on the islanders' situation. There's a big difference.
@32 Oh, that's why chagossian think the same way you do. No surprise why the world is tuned with the Argentine claim...
Dec 08th, 2011 - 05:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklanders have the right to decide how there future should be as they were born there they can choose there own destiny!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that is the REAL big difference
@33 the UN has already decided & guess what it supports the Islanders. A judgment on the sovereignty of the islands can only be made by the ICJ & Argentina refuses to take them to court so nothing will ever change.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 05:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@36 Really? How distorted your understanding or reality is, my friend!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 05:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but, Atanasof and Government have different opinions.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 06:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@30 xbarilox Your argument makes no sense ! So cause your born where you were, but your parents were then you have the right to live there. YET the islanders that have been born there, and whose families have been living there for generations, have no right ? Are you a giant mentalist ? How is this different ? they have more right to be in the islands than you do on the continent.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 06:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0' I think it's not very nice, not knowing if one day you'll be ejected from your house or not.' Your country with its bully-boy tactics are the only reason any insecurity would be present among the islands, and even then it is diminished, as we have proven and stated time and time again (despite your countries short memory and ignorant manor ) That we will defend the Islanders freedom, whatever the price, whatever the cost, against Argentina, if they so choose.
Take the hint.
So you think what happened to the Chagossians is wrong Yuleno?
Dec 08th, 2011 - 06:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0to:
Dec 08th, 2011 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno
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lslas Falklands
Juanweather
Marcos
xbox
etc, etc
These are our lslands, not yours.
These are our resources, not yours.
We will do what we like with our lslands & resources & its got bugger all to do with you.
Keep your nose out of our affairs, get lost, in fact.
The UN does NOT support your ridiculous “claims”.
You have TWO options only,
1)Court (ICJ) or
2)War.
Your decision. Taking will get you no-where.There will be NO negotiations on sovereignty.
Well?
@ 41 things that are not so... The fact the UN uses both names The Falklands (Malvinas) means that the dubious sovereignty actually isn't clear.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 08:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Atanasof.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is that a native South American name?
Mapuche perhaps?” #15
It sounds much better backwards
Atanasof - . . . . Fosanata.
Now that name has the feeling of a Portuguese Brasilian religious musician.
I think people would enjoy him much more 'backwards'
(Or is that too much open to misinterpretation).
Perhaps Fosanata could explain the basis of the Argentinian claim to own
(i) Thuos Aigroeg,
(ii) Eht Thuos Hciwdnas Sdnalsi, and
(iii) the citcratna rotces.
@37 The UN supports the Islanders rights as confirmed by Ban Ki-moon.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 018 May 2010 The Remaining non-self-governing territories must have full freedom of choice & complete freedom in deciding their future status, It is essential for the people concerned to understand the options regarding their political status and to be able to exercise their right to freely choose their future. Secretary- General Ban Ki-moon
Reality must mean something different in Argentina.
@ 43 No, not at all, idiot, Atanasov, Atanasof or Atanasoff , has a Slavic origin, not Portuguese, dumb*ss!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians
what happened to those people, were their Human Roghts respected and protected by the British government or not?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians
Mr. Anatasof, excuse me, Mr. Atanasof is one of those hyphenated Argentineans who believe that the remote and lonely South Georgia Island is an Argentinean colonial possession. Argentinean territorial appetite is so voracious that they call it “Islas Georgias del Sur.” Where there is one big lonely island, and a few rock islets, they see an archipelago!
Dec 08th, 2011 - 09:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Philippe
The Argentine Lawmaker Atanasof should use this oportunity to inforce fishing laws supported by UK in the area, as they done with other ilegal fishing ships, you can call it a war against piracy and destruction in the name of conservation, the playing field just got bigger thanks to UK, we will have to see how this plays out in the real world.
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 45 xbarilox (#)
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dale farm residence's human rights were not abused, please read more about these things before you spoute your inconsistent rabble. They were breaking the law, and had to pay the consequences and were at the same time offered alternative sites for there caravans, DESPITE many owning houses in Ireland. So shhhh, you have no right to talk of human rights, when you care little for the islander's human rights.
41 Isolde, “These are our lslands, not yours”
Dec 08th, 2011 - 10:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dear señora
I know, we are not claiming your islands in far away Europe.
41 Isolde,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0the brits are losing it and makes it increasingly more difficult to carry this forward and The fat Boy Cameron is coming in every day low with their government. Puricelli is saying that our malvinas be recovered again.
very good, my name is not on your blacklist, Thank you!!
Someone tell him to mind his own business!
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0Sure pelotared: uk should mind her bussines were it belongs...The North Atlantic....bye bye falklands....Hola Malvinas!!
not much can be said about UK when we can see everything for ourselves.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-05/british-bomb-defused-in-germany/3712116/?site=newcastle
www.sartma.com/artd_6193_02_2009_36.html
www.opendemocracy.net/kaye-stearman/uk-arms-sales-to-libya-stop-start-stop-and-start-again
www.payvand.com/news/11/dec/1083.html
www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/ML01Ak02.html
www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-sanctions-are-only-a-small-part-of-the-history-that-makes-iranians-hate-the-uk-6269812.html
www.defpro.com/news/details/30516/?SID=23476f655a727d440a1e2ef648c4fbcb
someone here sugested I read soo I desided to share.
I supose we can all dream,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0but the main difference is,
we have the falklands, and you dont,
but hey,, you do try dont you .
@ 48 toc toc toc is there a brain inside that head??? It is not me saying, it is the United Nations, UK violating Human Rights. Suddenly you can't read anymore?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:43 am - Link - Report abuse 0“They were breaking the law, and had to pay the consequences and were at the same time offered alternative sites for there caravans,” You said before that it was a nonsense, but now you believe that sending people ffar away from their place it was a great idea. Of course, you did the same with people in Chagos islands. This is how you understnad Human Rights and then you talk about the Human Rights of the employees of the British government in the islands :)
You are British government employees, you, Isolde, etce tc, living in the islands, of course you will always say what the British government want you to say :) For the islanders Human Rights, you care, you and the British government, who, as we can see in this case of those people, is really an expert in taking care of other people's Human Rights, of course, depending on oil cough cough fish cough cough gas gas cough Afghanistan cough cough oil oil cough cough Lybia Lybia cough cough Chagos Chagos cough cough many more cough cough Iraq cough cough. The islanders Human Rights are nothing but a myth, get out of the islands as soon as possible before it hurts too much.
45 xbarilox (#) Dec 08th, 2011 -
Dec 09th, 2011 - 01:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ 43 No, not at all, idiot, Atanasov, Atanasof or Atanasoff , has a Slavic origin, not Portuguese, dumb*ss!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians
what happened to those people, were their Human Roghts respected and protected by the British government or not?
DID ARGENTINA PAJERTO?
Of course, Argentina is renouned for its Human Rights record.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 02:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if they'll ever become a democracy ??
Of course, Argentina is renouned for its Human Rights record.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 03:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0I wonder if they'll ever become a democracy ??
uk wins for a LOOG shot......Millions of crimes,freedom deprvation..,cecil rhosdes....
You are Soooo ridiculuos pelotudoRED!!
Malvinero, Cecil Rhodes died 100 years ago, just after you guys completed the “conquista del desierto”, you know, that famous genocide. And what's more, less than thirty years ago you guys were pushing people out of aircraft into the River Plate. Alive.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 04:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Primero saca la viga de tu ojo y verás mejor para poder sacar la pajita del de tu hermano”. Mt 7,5
Malvinero, Cecil Rhodes died 100 years ago, just after you guys completed the “conquista del desierto”, you know, that famous genocide. And what's more, less than thirty years ago you guys were pushing people out of aircraft into the River Plate. Alive.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 04:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0Really,illogical entity??
He died 100 years ago....but you still have the rhodes scholarship in Oxford...
That is fine with me..If you want to revere him and the empire..But please,do not lie misserably to yourself and others.....saying we were good and the others bad....
Chucking people out of helicopters isn't bad ?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@54Xbox,
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0l am not a British Government employee, l don't get paid by them at all.
l wish l did, but no, l post what l post for free.
lf you have any proof that l am a British Agent, then please let me have a copy & l will put in a claim for back pay.
l will even offer to share it with you.
@49Dear Marcos,
l know, you are claiming OUR lslands in the South Atlantic.
Which are NOT yours.
@50Kiwisarg,
You delude yourself, sr. You donot own the Falklands & if l had a black list, you would definitely be on it!
Rhodes leaves his fortune in trust to fund scholarships and in Malvinero's poor little mind that somehow equates with reverence for a long dead empire. What have you been smoking Malvinero?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 06:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0If the Rhodes Trust is so bad then why has Mandela joined forces with it to start a foundation? It doesn't exactly tie in with your “empire reverence” theory, I can't see Nelson Mandela revering that sort of thing...
http://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/page/mandela-rhodes-foundation
I see you failed to make excuses for the conquista del desierto (not to mention the conquista del chaco, which was still going on 20 years after Rhodes died) and also the fact that you guys were throwing people out of aircraft into the River Plate in LIVING MEMORY!
@47
Dec 09th, 2011 - 09:18 am - Link - Report abuse 0“we will have to see how this plays out in the real world.”
that's a pretty radical concept coming from an Argentinian.
@54 xbarilox (#) I think you have caught some sort of disease that causes you to have a bad cough. Maybe ingesting all that BullSh*t from your government has caused you to be ill maybe ?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your last statment 'The islanders Human Rights are nothing but a myth' clearly shows your disregard for your fellow human being, and you ignorance of the facts.' Dale farm's residence were breaking the law, and after a ten year legal process to have them removed, and mutiple offers of alternative sights, they resorted to bribing the council, asking for £6 million to leave. Also it is nonsense to send 3000 poeple thousands of miles away, from their RIGHTFUL home. The owners of dale farm were clearly told they were not aloud to build on the land, and so they knew what they were doing was illegal and that they couldnt live there. So your point is horrible inaccurate, about that being there rightful home .
When you speak of the 'employees of the British government', it further highlights, your simple mind, and how it has been brainwashed by propaganda. I think we should call the syndrome 'ARGENTINIAN INTELLECTUAL NONSENSE', where your intellect has been 'corrupt' (if it was ever present)
It is the Argies, that have been reduced to nothing but a whining rag that, has never had any concept of human rights, and will scratch and claw to try and get oil, fish and any other resource that the Islanders possess .I think there is a brain inside this head, that is far superior to your and that hasnt been coated in a layer of lies, ignorance , and plain old bullsh*t.....
The British gvt is trying to rid itself of the travelling community supposedly because of it's illegal activity.Argentina is trying to get rid of illegal occupiers of the Malvinas.However our occupiers can legalise their activities and remain which unfortunately I don't believe the British made such an offer and instead much like the rioters they vandalised the settlement.Didn't they?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Why not expel yourselves and return Argentina to the Native Americans. Since you stole the land in the first place.
Dec 09th, 2011 - 12:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Argentina is trying to get rid of illegal occupiers of the Malvinas”
Dec 09th, 2011 - 02:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Prove that they are illegal Yuleno. On what basis are they illegal? Because Juan Peron said so?
@65 A fan of the law abiding?
Dec 09th, 2011 - 02:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The British gvt is trying to rid itself of the travelling community supposedly because of it's illegal activity
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8756637/Slaves-held-for-15-years-in-kennels-and-horse-boxes.html
More than 200 officers swooped on the Greenacres travellers' site in Leighton Buzzard during the early hours of yesterday morning and found the large group of men living in squalid conditions.
The raid was launched as part of a long-running investigation by Bedfordshire Police which suggested the men were being held against their will in poor conditions at the site, and forced to work for no pay.
Police believe some may have been held for as long as 15 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8756637/Slaves-held-for-15-years-in-kennels-and-horse-boxes.html
A family of travellers scammed up to £1million from vulnerable pensioners by ‘mercilessly’ overcharging them for gardening and repair work.
Many were forced to hand over their entire life savings to five members of the Price family, who targeted scores of victims in a four-year nationwide fraud.
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8756637/Slaves-held-for-15-years-in-kennels-and-horse-boxes.html
Police smash Irish traveller gang suspected of half of all caravan thefts in the UK
Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8756637/Slaves-held-for-15-years-in-kennels-and-horse-boxes.html
Where's O Gara? He must have some profound insight into his familys plight?
Dec 10th, 2011 - 02:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0Lost his Caravan.
Dec 10th, 2011 - 03:02 am - Link - Report abuse 0Chucking people out of helicopters isn't bad ?
Dec 10th, 2011 - 04:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Not has bad a machine gun young ,women and children like uk did in India and many other places.
No t to mention cutting off the fingers of the Hindu women,so they can not knit,to make the fabrics or clothes,so the brits textile can sell their fabric...
You are soooo pelotudo red!!
@71Malvinero1,
Dec 10th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0You get more ridiculous every day signor ltaliano.
How many Hindu women had their fingers cut off by the British?
To make an impact on the textile market it would have to be hundreds of thousands.
Where did the British use a machine gun on women & children? And why? And where are these “many other places”?
Machine guns were used against Matebele warriors by a private company. Not good, but they were attacking warriors certainly not women & children.
Now mr high & mighty 2nd generation ltalian-Argentine, what about the ltalians using mustard gas & bombs on Ethiopian tribesmen armed mainly with spears?
Doesn't that count?
You are just soooooooo typical of a hypocritical Argentine.
“oh it wasn't us, it was the junta”
But, apparantly the British are guilty of everything that their ancestors did.
(notice that l can hold my finger down, too!)
Poltroon.
@71
Dec 10th, 2011 - 03:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Argies used this on their own people,in our life time, can you imagine how much more nasty they would have been if they had their own little empire to police.
The parrilla was used in a number of countries in South America, including Argentina during the dirty war in the 1970s and 80s became notorious as a routine tool of interrogation.
The victim was stripped totally naked, then lain on his or her back on a metal frame, often a bed-frame. Straps were used to restrain the victim in a position convenient for torture, with legs spread and arms either above the head or away from the sides of the body. The straps were tightened to prevent movement.
#68-Sounds like those people should be deported by ship to some place far away
Dec 10th, 2011 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#72-The hanging of the Kivu in Kenya was a disgrace wasn't it.They didn't really get anything like a fair trial.I can anticipate your condemnation of events that occurred in Kenya,and in other African liberation struggles
#73-You do know,don't you,that the British were at the forefront of the practice and perfection of torture.The yanqui,now,since Friday,your only friend(soon your exploiter),even have a training school.But then you wouldn't agree that torture is never justifiable by anyone.
Atanasof is a fool. Argentina has no business interfering with the internal politics of Great Britain
Dec 10th, 2011 - 09:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Last time Argentina tried, Argentina came a cropper
The Falklanders shall live in the Falkland Islanders forever and anyone who tries to change that shall be dealt in accordance to Article 51 of the UN Charter
71 Malvinero1 the desperate get more deluded every day .
Dec 10th, 2011 - 09:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0ahhh Domingo, domingo , you're an asshole, mate !! the UN requires that brits sit down and negotiate the sovereignty of our Malvinas islands for ages, what are you saying!! Atanasof is great!!!mate
Dec 11th, 2011 - 12:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0They do?? Wow !!
Dec 11th, 2011 - 06:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0A UN General Assembly Resolution. Wow!
When did they say that Kiwi's arse ?
In the last 20 years ??
Yes, liar Kiwi left-behind.
Dec 11th, 2011 - 10:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please tell us all that the UN said as regards“negotiations”.
Omit no detail, no matter how trivial.
They are NOT your mal-whatever but OUR Falklands. ldiota
Isolde 72,
Dec 11th, 2011 - 11:52 am - Link - Report abuse 0seem to remember the 1920(?) Amritsar massacre was done by troops under the control of the British during the post-WWI depression and insurrections across many nations (pretty much like now).
Saw a documentary on it about 5 years back, where 500 or so were killed at a 20,000 nationalist political meeting.
The Brits were guilty of misusing riot control to excess and the guy who ordered it was later murdered.
I think it was part of a BBC series on black days of history of the British Empire.
A black day, indeed.
Ghengis Khan - now he knew a thing or two about riot control !
Dec 11th, 2011 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Having been on the one side of that barrier, I have less sympathy for the demostrators than others would have. But then it was me that they were chucking things at !
You do know,don't you,that the British were at the forefront of the practice and perfection of torture
Dec 11th, 2011 - 04:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Dont recall it being used on our own people
http://www.argentinaindependent.com/feature/tools-of-torture-a-look-inside-argentina%E2%80%99s-jails-/
Thousands of Argentines were tortured and murdered in other centres run by the armed forces.
The crimes were part of Operation Condor, a coordinated campaign by South American military rulers to crush opposition movements
http://www.argentinaindependent.com/feature/tools-of-torture-a-look-inside-argentina%E2%80%99s-jails-/
Well#82 you also won't remember------
Dec 11th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Executing soldiers in WW1 who were UNABLE to fight and were shot as traitors
The role of the British gvt in the Irish famine,genocide,of people ruled from london
The origin of concentration camps in south Africa
Etc Etc
Are you proud that your gvt did these things as well as developing sinister forms of torture in peaceful times
The Falklands wish to remain a British overseas territory and everyone will have to live with that!!!! unless they wish to become argentine in the future but that will be there choice and not something that has been forced on them.
Dec 11th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Britain is quite Happy to spend the few pounds that it costs to maintain a small defensive force to ward off any aggressor!!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
Ha ha.They will a few pounds but only a few not more than it earns
Dec 11th, 2011 - 07:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@85 Which is considerably more than argentina earns, and it is a small price to pay for the Islands liberty and indepedence.
Dec 11th, 2011 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Are you proud that your government did these things? *
Dec 11th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Are you proud what YOUR” government did,
Mirror Image my friend, Mirror Image.
83 Yuleno
Dec 11th, 2011 - 09:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nobody is proud of any of those things. What a fantastically idiotic thing to say. I trust you're not proud of all the things your country did in the past either.
Tell, in a war, if the army wants to go home, how do you stop them ?
Dec 12th, 2011 - 02:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Write them a nasty note ??
You lot need to grow up.
@80Geoff,
Dec 12th, 2011 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, Amritsar 1919. General Reginald Dyer.
At his court martial he testified that the only reason that he didn't use machine guns was because they were mounted on armoured cars & the streets were too narrow to allow the armoured cars to reach the killing ground.
Now there's honesty for you!
Many books written about it but l found the best one was called “Six minutes to Sunset” can't remember the author.
Don't think there were women present but there were some children.
Prior to the shooting, the mob had murdered 4 or 5 Europeans, looted numerous banks & native shops, burned down buildings, derailed trains & thrashed an English lady teacher within an inch of her life(Miss Sherwood).
Dyer's small force was cut off & had no communication with any other British forces. His words were “for all we knew, we were the last Europeans in lndia”
After his action, the rebellion(if it was a rebellion) collapsed.
What any other Commanding Officer have done?
Surrender to the mob? l don't think so.
l think he was a fall guy.
Executing soldiers in WW1 who were UNABLE to fight and were shot as traitors
Dec 12th, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Over 70 Argentine officers face trial for torturing conscripts in Malvinas
Amazing monty69 you are the only one so far.The others try to justify certain atrocities but no other post says it's not proud.
Dec 12th, 2011 - 04:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yes their are things done in the name of argentinians that cannot be supported by all argentinians.
Executing soldiers in WW1 who were UNABLE to fight and were shot as traitors
Dec 12th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Seems the Argies have only just got around to abolishing their ability to execute servicemen
Argentina
Constitution states “The penalty of death for political offences, all kinds of torture, and flogging, are forever abolished.”[58] The Military Code of Justice (including the death penalty) was abolished on 6 August 2008 and into law six months later
the fact is
Dec 12th, 2011 - 10:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0as long as argentina is talking
you will never get what you dont own.
the fact is
Dec 13th, 2011 - 01:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0as long as argentina is talking
you will never get what you dont own.
Do you think we really care,briton??
uk is Finished like you!!
Like I said
Dec 13th, 2011 - 01:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Just talk that’s all you can do.
Envy and jealousy, your words say it all,
UK is finished,
Ha ha at least great Britain is doing ok then .
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Isn't the great left out of the name of the main island of the British isles these days.I think it is by people who refer to Britain as a political entity.
Dec 13th, 2011 - 01:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Anyone can tell me what´s happens whit your europe position?
Dec 13th, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Because if UK leave the Eurozone .... we can talk whit Europe for not including Malvinas as a europe territories..... ;););)-
Because, in fact, this is not europe, THIS IS SOUTH AMERICAand is our territory-
Still doing your work Mr. Cameron... we thank you a lot-
Regardsss.....
#98 Rosy
Dec 13th, 2011 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Falklands (there are no Malvinas) are a British Overseas Territory.
Nothing, nada, to do with the EU.
The UK is not in the Eurozone (countries that use the Euro for currency) so we cannot leave it. The UK use the GBP known also as the Pound, or £ for our currency.
The UK is a member of the European Union which is a political union.
Please try and get the basics right before posting some inane, ridiculous comment.
99 Cristy: If UK leave the Lisboa Treatment, you moron,, UK leave CEE whit all overseas territories - So you are OUT of the CEE and specials tratments do you understand?
Dec 13th, 2011 - 09:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Cristy--- we said Cristy to our President..... and is too much for you...so I prefer to call you CRY-Still
Regardssss
The EU is a political and economic union.In England the school children will learn that.How is it you don't ChrisR?
Dec 13th, 2011 - 09:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@100 I seem to remember that we retook the islands before,on our own. Most of Europe wanted to see us fail, cause they either had sold you weapons OR simple animosity.
Dec 13th, 2011 - 09:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We will be alot better without the EU, and we will still be able to send a task force to destroy any pesky invaders (so dont go getting any ideas). The special treatments come at a high price, that without, could proof to be great for the country.So all this nonsense that your speaking, has literately no point in this conversation.
i´m sure you are capable to use your army, but we don´t want to figth whit your country-
Dec 14th, 2011 - 02:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0We just want the Malvinas ;) peacefully- and we keep in that way, because is more benefit than the other way-
So, there´s no point ;)
Regards .......
We just want the Malvinas ;) peacefully- and we keep in that way, because is more benefit than the other way-
Dec 14th, 2011 - 03:26 am - Link - Report abuse 0This is an essential true. Period. Be sure that if we do this way. I will be among the first ones to open some business in the capital of the Islands.
Just HOW do you think you are going to get OUR lslands “peacefully”?
Dec 14th, 2011 - 04:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0They are NOT your lslands, they are OURS.
And as we are NOT going to just give them to you, l would like to know how you think that you will do this.
Remember, blockades, telling lies at the UN,harassment of fishing ships etc is not doing anything “peacefully”
Well?
lsolde,
Dec 14th, 2011 - 06:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0I don't know if you remember but I said many times I'm against that modus operandi.
About ownership, you should think more like Alexander Betts.
Why?
Dec 14th, 2011 - 09:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0We don't want our land to be Argentine & we don't want to be Argentines.
Quite simple, really.
#100 & #101
Dec 14th, 2011 - 11:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0The EEC has been overtaken by the EU, which as Yuleno rightly says is a political and economic union.
'Economic' refers to the trading between EU countries, NOT the currency used.
The Eurozone countries use the Euro. The UK is NOT in the Eurozone, it uses it's own currency, the GBP, aka the Pound, aka the £. Clear now?
I somehow doubt it with you pair.
Yes, is very clear, but if UK leaves, by any reason, the treatment was I mentioned before, will not a part of CEE, so, in fact, all overseas territories will go out of the CEE, and the islands would be more and more isolated-politicaly speaking of course..... but you are heroes, you will became part of CELAC or even Mercosur if you want.......
Dec 14th, 2011 - 02:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Regardsssss ...
Regardssssss
Yes ChriR the eurozone is a monetary union and the UK did not join.The EU previously the EEC the UK did join,and this is a political and economic union.That is clear go me and that is why the UK did not veto the agreement reached last Friday, I believe.
Dec 14th, 2011 - 03:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yuleno: perhaps you believe in 2 Europes?
Dec 14th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yo creo que es dable entender esta jugada como una buena razon para dejar Europa, inclusive politicamente-
Ningun ingles querra a un aleman respirandole en la nuca y diciendole lo que debe hacer o no con su economía o su politica-
UK se inclina, una vez mas, hacia su aliado predilecto.
Y creo que de esa manera no repartirá las ganancias del negocio sirio-iraní y todas las otras guerras que vendran.
Saludos
glad you to agree, that british is best,
Dec 14th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0end of .
#111 you forget that the UK wants to be in the EU,they do not have to be in.They joined because of the benefit by being in,in comparison to being not in.It is the minority colonial rich who would benefit by being out.they are no longer in the ascendancy
Dec 14th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Respect
Yul 113
Dec 15th, 2011 - 11:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“It is the minority colonial rich who would benefit . . .”
Not only are they not in the ascendancy, they have not existed for a generation.
Rich people in the UK tend to be the 'bankers'.
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