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Falklands’ flagged vessels: Spanish fishermen call on Madrid to fight Argentine blackmail
The President of the Spanish Association of Marine Fishing Officers (Aetinape), José Manuel Muniz, has asked the new Spanish government to get involved and act against the pressure placed on Falklands-flagged vessels by the Argentines, according to an article in the Galician newspaper Faro de Vigo, which examined the Spanish reaction to the ban on the entry of Falklands flagged vessels to Mercosur ports. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPerhaps Spain could send a naval force to protect its citizens. It is no part of Britain's responsibility to protect Spanish citizens or interests. Let them fight their own battles. Perhaps we could have the pleasure of watching a Spanish destroyer sinking an argentine pirate.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0The fishing community is right - the Falklands are an overseas territory of the UK and EU and it's time that the EU stepped in to defend the rights of the Falklands.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0EU Treaty of Lisbon 2007:
”The Member States agree to associate with the Union the non-European countries and territories … (including the Falkland Islands)
… [this] association shall serve primarily to further the interests and prosperity of the inhabitants of these countries and territories in order to lead them to the economic, social and cultural development to which they aspire”.
And regarding defence – Article 42(7) “If a Member State is the victim of armed aggression on its territory , the other Member States shall have towards it an obligation of aid and assistance by all the means in their power …”
@2 You don´t have to worry about Article 42(7).
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hows your back old boy?Did you have much pain,?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 12:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Spains people are emigrating to Argentina in ever greater numbers so I dont think Mariano Rajoy will be sending any ships anywhere.
I can report however that in Astillero Rio Santiago progress on the construction of three new destroyers is going well as is the nuclear sub project.
Last time I checked piracy and theft was still illegal, unless there are separate laws writen to specifically protect UK's illegal aliens overseas whom I am sure have all their rights protected back home, and now for the hard question to answer, why doesn't UK give the fakland island company their right to self determination in UK as they being asking for years ??? and how can Illegal aliens ask Argentina for something their own government in UK will not provide ??? land theft is not the solution nor is it to plant penal colonyes all over the globe, I am sure this much is clear in our heads the real problem is british denial over their own intentions in 1807 and the land grab by penal colonyes, there is nothing new under the sun.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 01:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0# 5 Pirate-Humper, last time I checked the definition of a prorate was someone who committed robbery and other acts of war-like violence on the high seas without the authorisation of a nation. So what is it that you're actually talking about you sad brain-washed cretin?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you have the authorisation of a nation to hunt pirats (I assume by pirat you mean pirate). If not, perhaps it is you who is the pirate.
#6 don't you think Argentina should learn from Australia's law AFMA ??
Dec 26th, 2011 - 02:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Australian Fisheries Management Authority credit a reduction in illegal fishing apprehensions with their hard-line policy of burning the vessels of offenders.
AROUND 8PM ON 25 November, on a warm evening with a brisk breeze in the ocean off Darwin, one of Border Protection's 38-metre patrol boats intercepted a small, wooden boat with an illegal load.
But it was not a news-grabbing people-smuggling operation that the officers busted. The Indonesian boat was carrying just six crew members, three kilograms of fish, and longlines with freshly-baited hooks. When it was first sighted by the surveillance plane, it looked to be carrying much more fish than the three kilograms it was found with.
This is the most recent case of illegal foreign fishing in Australian waters
www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2011/12/13/3389001.htm
Like I said Pirate-Humper. Piracy is an act of robbery or other war-like act committed on the high seas without the authorisation of a nation. What is your example of piracy that has anything to do with the Falklands? You really ARE a sad brain-washed cretin. Aren't you!
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#3: “....is going well as is the nuclear sub project”
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Nearly fell off my seat laughing when I read that. The whole project is just a joke. If it ever does get finished (2020?), I bet it stays it's whole life in port being repaired. Also, it will just be a small reactor retrofitted into an old sub (one that will be a totally outdated 40-year old design by 2020). No match for anything modern designed from scratch.
#5:“..land theft is not the solution nor is it to plant penal colonyes all over the globe,...”
Wasn't it actually BsA that tried (unsuccessfully) to established a penal colony in the Falkland Islands? I'm pretty sue Britain never tried to establish one there.
@3 No but you do.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@10 I´m frigthened
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@11 So you should be
Dec 26th, 2011 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0maybe China could support Argentina with nuclear bomb and remove all pirates from our coast..
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The notion of the EU steaming to the citys rescue after. Camerons performance two weeks ago is truly comicam.Desperation is setting in.Those that pour scorn on the nuclear sub project might be interested to know that The Netherlands latest nuclear power plant will.also be seigned.and built by INVAP
Dec 26th, 2011 - 04:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 014 O gara
Dec 26th, 2011 - 06:15 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Keep up - it's all change now - the UK and EU are buddies again.
And the EU might need the UK's nuclear deterrent to defend France's colony in French Guiana (0 miles from Brazil) and the Netherland's colony in Antilles (15 miles from Venezuala)
Hasn´t this article fake picture ?
Dec 26th, 2011 - 06:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/20/rajoy-announces-to-spain-deep-spending-cuts-and-tax-breaks-for-companies
We are making progress.
#1 Oh, wait... Spain has a fascist government. We can´t envoy a military force. Perhaphs Falklands Islands could send a naval force to protect its ships. It is no part of Spain responsibility to protect kelpers vessels or interests. Let them fight their own battles. Perhaps we could have the pleasure of watching a kelper destroyer sinking an argentine pirate.
Ogagga (how I wish someone would)
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0INVAP are experienced in small capacity reactors and are mainly used for consultancy to poor, undevoloped countries (so they are ideally placed in poor, Argentine Patagonia).
The work carried out is basically training technicians and students in physics and nuclear physic and the manufacture of radio isotopes for medicinary purposes. All very laudable and peaceful. Even the few projects that have been done are open pool, zero watt output for the large part. Again, very peaceful.
So what, you illiterate, pretend Irishman, do you think will qualify INVAP to construct a full power, sealed for life source reactor on a fighting submarine?
Do you really expect it to work from the get go.
Watch 'K19 - The widowmaker' if you want to see what can happen and that was your mates the Russians.
Christy old boy when it comes to illiteracy could I be so bold as to something that might educate you a little. Poor boy you and some of the other poor people from the periphery have been and indeed are so uneducated and brainwashed that the abuse inflicted on them by London is entirely invisible to you and them.The London elites will never take on Murdoch and his brainwashing machine as they constitute such a service to the city by keeping the rabble as brainwashed as they have been for centuries.
Dec 26th, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As for Invap I think the OPAL reactor in Australia is hardly what you say.INVAP was responsible for design,construction and commissioning of the reactor.The Dutch are in the process of buying an even bigger reactor.When it comes to facts Christy you usually have it arseways old boy
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Dec 27th, 2011 - 12:58 am - Link - Report abuse 0There are around a dozen daily newspapers in the UK covering all politics - and Murdoch only has about a third of the circulation figures.
Maybe it's you that's brainwashed.
Ah, but just what will Spain do,
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0This will put her under great strain
Does she send ships to deter argentines navy, when she secretly supports Argentina’s claim,
And if not, will the mighty EU send ships, to defend the seaways,
As to be fair, they have no real love for the UK,
But on the other hand, if they do nothing,
Spain may well be humiliated, not to offend Argentina, but at the same time, seen to support illegal action against international law,
And the same goes for the EU, for as Germany and France has just stated, its all nations in the EU together, or not at all,
See what you Argies have done,
You have given the EU and Spain, a bloody nasty potential headache,
And of course, what of Argentina,
If they don’t come, you will not contain your excitement in humiliating the EU,
But if they do, the it may well be Argentina, that will be humiliated and shamed,
What a dilemma.
Just an aspirin of a thought .
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#13 no we wouldn't want to waste Argentina's resources in nuclear weapons, but rather build a shiping fleet to accomodate China's fish demand and soy, or we can opt to do what people are still doing in Islas Malvinas Argentina and sale China licences to fish as the 3000 illegal aliens do wich is the problem with the theft of Argentina's natural resources for the benefit of a few implanted illegal aliens, nothing that couldn't be fixed with a few submarines, but if we share those same resources with others competitors eventually China, India, or even Pakistan will do anything to tab on to those resources permanently if they depend on them, Argentina has to explore options leading away from old regimes that don't help the people or the states as we see in EU now, anything shorter then that is political suicide, literaly speaking.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 07:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0#21 It’s quite comical to hear such drivel about “illegal aliens” from the argie descendants of alien european colonists who illegally conquered and stole the land of argentina from the native indigenous Americans.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 09:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0Under the UNCLOS Convention, coastal states may claim their continental shelf for up to 200 nautical miles from shore (limited to half way between States with opposite or adjacent coasts such as Argentina and the British Falklands which are at over 250 nautical miles from Argentina)
A country can APPLY to extend that outer limit to up to 350 nautical miles and Argentina has done this on 21st April 2009, but it has NOT been accepted by the UN.
The Falkland Islanders fish legally in Falklands waters.
19 and 22
Dec 27th, 2011 - 10:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0The top selling tabloid is the Sun,the leading quality is the Times.And what about Sky Tv which dominates television.
Its much the same as Argentina with Clarin and tv 13 tyc sports cablevision etc.The difference CFK has the guts to take on the media moguls which of course gets her a terrible press internationally with the intertwining groups of Murdoch,Fox,Prisa(Spain)and needless to say Clarin.
22 Its wonderful to see that you recognize the situation of the Malvinas and the illegal plantation conducted by the English empire
18 Ogaga
Dec 27th, 2011 - 10:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0INVAP are open pool, light water reactor manufacturers. Even the Australian one is for radioisotope production only. It is 'powerful' only in these terms, not in 'power production' in the accepted term with respect to subamarines, et al.
If you had any scientific training you would know this: SO, back to my original question:
“So what, you illiterate, pretend Irishman, do you think will qualify INVAP to construct a full power, sealed for life source reactor on a fighting submarine?
Do you really expect it to work from the get go.
Watch 'K19 - The widowmaker' if you want to see what can happen and that was your mates the Russians.”
It is clear to me you do not understand the term “sealed for life source reactor on a fighting submarine”.
Answer the question, do not change the subject or use verbal abuse. In other words, not the usual bollox please, THE ANSWER.
Drive him down, Chris. Make the Cretin answer if he can!
Dec 27th, 2011 - 11:50 am - Link - Report abuse 023
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0As already stated, Murdoch’s newspapers only constitute a third of the UK’s circulation, and Sky news is way behind BBC news and ITV news viewing figures. And the UK can easily access English language news from Europe, France, Germany, Russia, the US etc
kirchner's fascist attempts to censir the media will fail.
And the Falklands were uninhabited when landed on named and claimed by the British - unlike the land of argentina which was illegally stolen from the native americans by the spanish and argentines .
Verbal Abuse Christy you appear to be quite willing to use it yourself if you have notions of superiority which I admit you rarely do with good reason.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0INVAP and CNEA have already built a prototype for the navy called CAREM.It is developed to use specifically in the Thyssen tr 1700 submarines of the Argentine navy.
Because they are being ultra careful it will take years before the submarine will be used exactly for safety reasons.In fact they envisage 2020 as the date it can be used.So the notion of it working from the word go is entirely yours INVAP is a serious organization not some Soviet outfit.They will indeed manufacture the sub despite what you hope.
Indeed I do not have any scientific training I doubt you do either as your literacy level in your own language appears to say the least to be doubtful but then again Christy maybe you are one of those periphery dudes who speak Welsh or something so I should be more forgiving.
25 pobre you really are a sad case
Both Uk and Spain should act to protect fishing vessels doing business in Falkland waters. They are a part of falklands economy it could start by escorting them through hostile international waters ans ensuring they are not worried by pirate navies. Long term Falklands needs to build a new deep water port and establish air links that can get the fish to market in time. I'm sure Falklands fish would be considered a delicacy if express delivered to Europe. I know I'd pay a little extra for their fish if I couldn't find fish caught in UK waters.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 026 There is no fascist attempt to censure check your spelling please the media.All the largest newspapers all over the country remain opposed to CFK.
Dec 27th, 2011 - 02:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Malvinas were not uninhabited but lets talk about Ireland,Australia,Canada,Kenya,India,Pakistan to name but a few whose native peoples suffered savagely at the hands of the English empire.Cmon pal lets talk about ethnic cleansing and see if Hitler could even compare to you lot
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Dec 27th, 2011 - 05:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Brazilians think there is fascist censorship (not “censure” you knobhead) :
http://en.mercopress.com/2011/12/27/argentine-media-bill-a-dictatorship-couldn-t-have-done-it-better
Yes the Falklands (check your spelling again please) were uninhabited when landed on named and claimed by the British - so not illegally as you claimed.
And as stated - it was you making claims about illegal planters despite living in a land of illegal planters
And regarding alleged ethnic cleansing: your own ally Venezuela's President Chavez urged south americans to boycott celebrating the “discovery” of the Americas, stating that this was “genocide by european conquerors who behaved worse than Hitler. Spain spearheaded the biggest invasion and genocide ever seen in the history of humanity and Spanish conquistadors like Hernan Cortes and Francisco Pizarro, Portuguese and other foreign conquerors had massacred south america’s Indian inhabitants at a rate of roughly ”one every 10 minutes“.
27 Ogaga
Dec 27th, 2011 - 06:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0No, it was not abuse AND you know it.
But I struck a nerve didn't I. It is no good parroting what some other Argie tells you about the reactor.
Trying to put a reactor in a '80s sub is nothing other than a PR stunt. The only thing they could use from this design is the Siemens electric motor. Everything else has to be removed, the hull opened for the reactor (unless it is very small - and therefore next to useless) to be sited safely.
And as you admit you have no scientific training I will tell you the answer to the “sealed for life source reactor on a fighting submarine” question: the reactor AND it's fuel source for maximum power AT ANY TIME OF DEMAND for the design life of the submarine (20 / 30 / 40 years) is sealed in at manufacture. No maintenance on the unit, no refuelling, etc for the entire life of the sub.
INVAP have useful experience in open pool low / no power reactors. They have NO experience in modern submarine reactors, which is why they are using one of your old subs - to find their way.
Had you have been following earlier in the year you would have seen that I am a Professional Electrical Mechanical Engineer with additional qualifications that allow me to teach statistics to post graduates. I have worked in major projects for multi-national companies.
Just remember, pretend Irishman, answer the questions in future and we will get along fine: if you do not, I can.
It would be fair to say, that by the time Argentina gets its brand new unclear sub,
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0It would be at least 20/30 years out of date, [would it not]
And the technology would be even further out of date,
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They say, the astute submarine is more complicated than the space shuttle,
Does Argentina really want to go down that road?
as the way I see it, by then you may well find the only enemies you have, will be a lot closer to home ,[ Argentina,] than you may well think
Justa thought .
@29Ogara,
Dec 28th, 2011 - 09:19 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes, l probably am a sad case. l couldn't care less what you think.
You are just like that past master of evading the answer, sr Think.
l'd like to hear your comeback to ChrisR.
You Argentines think that you know everything, so fire away.
But you are wrong, the Falklands were uninhabited when the British found them.
What England or Britain did in the past has got nothing to do with our present situation. Stop beating the drum.
You have no rights here & guess what? There will be NO Negotiations.
How does that sound? HNYear!
30 fast eddie no word on the greatest perpetrator of ethnic cleansing mmm
Dec 28th, 2011 - 12:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0why are we afraid to have a full discussion.Obviously you know the results because your country is the most guilty of all.
31 Christy you are delighted with yourself and your title of Professional Electrical Mechanical Engineer just one letter away from pene and thats really what you are.Que boludo sos!!!!!!!!! Am I supposed to be impressed by your title.Tell us do you tell all the chicas that on your first date I bet they are impressed.
As for the nuclear sub I have no doubt it will be completed,fully safe and operational by 2020.
Answer the questions indeed wouldnt I hate to work for a boludo like you.Beleive me pibe we wouldnt get on in any circumstances.
33 well done recognition of your state is half the battle.If you try hard enough you might be ok someday but you will need to negotiate with others just like the City will do and sooner than you THINK
34 slo gara Can't you read - I posted many words about the “greatest perpetrator of ethnic cleansing” the words of your ally Venezuela's President Chavez “genocide by european conquerors who behaved worse than Hitler. Spain spearheaded the biggest invasion and genocide ever seen in the history of humanity ..which massacred south america’s Indian inhabitants at a rate of roughly one every 10 minutes”.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@34 “As for the nuclear sub I have no doubt it will be completed,fully safe and operational by 2020.”
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Completed - maybe.
Fully operational - possibly.
Fully safe - unlikely, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Totally outclasssed by anything in the Royal Navy - definitely.
35 guilty by your silence Eddie.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 01:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 036 I could not disagree with anything here Crackpot but its merely a sign of how the tide is turning.5000 naval officers getting the sack in London as Argentinas industry becomes ever more advanced
34 Ogaga
Dec 28th, 2011 - 02:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0So your answer to me is nothing other than personal abuse, dodging the question, and in other words - situation normal.
I promised you if you could not answer the questions I can:
1) Even if you highly modified sub is operational in 2020 (let's say it is) then the hull is FORTY YEARS OLD. A bit like your Mirage 3s, & 5s, that fall out of the sky killing pilots due to severe fatigue;
2) The reactor technology will be juvenile when compared to the UK Astute sub and definitely outclassed by the next generation of nuclear attack sub which comes into service that year. Your reactor may very likely fail when put under combat stress and overload;
3) Given the Argentine propensity of being right (when they are clearly in the dark) any attempt by this sub to take on an Astute Class sub would result in the death of your sub and probably all her crew. That would be their fault entirely.
On a personal note: it is clear to all the Brits here that you cannot understand what a Professional Engineer is and what it takes to attain, otherwise you would not call me an idiot.
Likewise, the reason you think my English is poor, is becuase your translator from whatever language you were born with (and it was NOT English, even the Irish version) cannot cope with the 'grown up terms' which I and some of the other Brits readily use.
There we have it: must try harder 'Old chap' to use your condescending term back on you!
Christy when are you ever going to grow up.You dont win arguments by giving us details of your qualifications imaginary or not.You do so by being proven correct. Maybe you indeed have a better knowledge of nuclear science than I but you are blinded by your own prejudice and arrogance an old English failing.Its a bit like your futbol team they talk a good game but titles well apart from one occasion a long long time ago they dont produce.
Dec 28th, 2011 - 10:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Only time will tell about the nuclear sub but there is no doubt Argentina is making giant strides in its nuclear technology.
Christy my English is as good as any English dweller on here and vastly superior to many of the Sun readers whose vocabulary is about as large as David Camerons Spanish.
Is Argentina in such a desperate state that it needs to grab at a small group of islands? Why after 30 years is it still an issue. GREAT BRITAIN won the war (don't mention the war!) Irrelevant what came before or after. If you want the islands Argies you'll need to start another war and win it this time!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:59 am - Link - Report abuse 039 Ogaga
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:24 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yet more personal abuse which shows up your limited intellect.
'Christy my English is as good as any English dweller on here'
Well, I am an 'English Dweller on here' and your English is nowhere near as competent as mine: in fact, it is lamentable and as poor as your keyboard skills.
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