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Cristina Fernandez promulgates tough laws to control the media and social protest
Argentine president Cristina Fernandez has promulgated several bills, some of them considered controversial, sanctioned last week by Congress --where the ruling coalition has a comfortable working majority-- and which were published Wednesday in the Official Gazette. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesPushing bills through congress like a good dictator....you know Hitler was “democratically” elected too...
Dec 29th, 2011 - 01:39 am - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom of the press
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Freedom of speech
Freedom of rights
Freedom of the people
Freedom of work without hindrance.
FREEDOM
But not in Argentina .
@Britain
Dec 29th, 2011 - 03:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0You for got 1
Freedom to determine who governs you and your land (I.e. Self Determination).
So was Aristide,and Reagan,and Allende, and Merkel,and oh I could go on.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0CFK has the guts to take on the monopoly dominated media unlike Cameron or Obama who bow to Murdoch every day even though he pisses on the law of the land.Thats the freedom teaboy understands.With this law La Nacion and Clarin owner of huge chunks of the national media and with shareholders including Murdoch,Prisa and Goldman Sachs as well as local oligarchs will have to play in a level playing field in the print media alone.They will still dominate internet,tv and radio
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well, if there wasn't a monopoly before, there sure is now.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0Wave the brief democracy experiment bye bye and close the door on your way out.
She is a complete totalitarian and it will not end well. The Argentines are the dumbest people in the world who keep electing sociopath after sociopath. The US is ot far behind with our own suntanned totalitarian Obama
Dec 29th, 2011 - 11:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0O'G, you never explained to me how the peso and U$ can be strong at the same time? Didn't you see my question?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0BTW even after spending ANOTHER U$100,000,000 BRCA had to let the peso drop to $4.32 yesterday. Does that mean it's getting stronger or did you figure out how to read that chart finally?
Oh and another little tidbit Argentinians are getting ( if they can find a place to exchange that is) $4.66 in Brazil...what is it in Uruguay $5 or closer to $6 now?
Do you think it will officially be 5/1 when everyone gets home from vacations in March?
5 O gara (#) you know, you sound remarkably like the Nazi sympathizers before the war. LOL Shes just a dictator in a not so effective disguise.....
Dec 29th, 2011 - 01:23 pm - Link - Report abuse 0”The (Argentinian) anti-terrorism law has also been widely criticized since it allows judges to decide what action entail a terrorist purpose and which doesn’t, generating the conditions to criminalize social protests and reporting in the media”
Dec 29th, 2011 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Can't criticise Argentina too much, Briton #2,
this anti-terrorist law is commonly used for the same purpose - and abused - in the US and the UK, and probably in most nation now, across the world. Democracies are not immune from the abuse of power.
6 really can we have a debate not stupidity.The leading two newpapeers remain Clarin and La Nacion in the interior the largest remain la voz and los andes.the most watched tv station is canal 13 need I go on.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 01:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yankeeboy you didnt read or perhaps didnt get my last response when you are in. A hole stopp digging but you are such a clown you got the biggest digger you could find.
Boludo dont you get it there is so much demand for pesos in the market the BCRA is selling pesos and already the reserves are back up to 47 billion dollars.As for the peso falling The BCRA wants it to fall about 10% a year to keep it in line with inflationary trends.
Cristina Fernández de Kirchner acquired two big apartments in Puerto Madero and she doesn't want people to notice about her business. She says thank you 54% you're making me f*cking rich :)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0#10 - Other countries may abuse this law, but the Argentina one would allow a judge to declare that you are a terrorist if you go to the bank and request to withdraw your savings account in U.S. dollars!
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 011. BCRA is SELLING U$which means they are BUYING pesos, have you ever had an economics class? There are only 2 variables when one falls the other goes up. Are you really that dumb?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You do know a depreciating currency is a sign of weakness right?
Do you think a managed 10% decline is good for Argentina? Do you think it is sustainable? Love to get your thoughts....
11 can we have a debate not stupidity.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course we can.
Where you off to and who's going to be the Argentine village idiot while you're away?
@O'gara “As for the peso falling The BCRA wants it to fall about 10% a year to keep it in line with inflationary trends.”
Dec 29th, 2011 - 02:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LMAO - O'gara, i congratulate you on proving to the world you are the only person in the world that thinks the devaluation of a currency helps keep the value of the currency in line with Inflation. So by that logic you expect inflation in argentina to drop by 10% do you? You idiot, everyone knows that devaluation of a currency actually increases the growth of inflation and at 25% Argentina can not afford for its inflation to rise even more rapidly as a result of their devaluation.
But hey lets all hope those in charge of controlling the argentina currency and its inflation rate all went to the same school O'gara went too. That way we Brits and islanders can just sit back and watch argentina self destruct lol.
Long Live CFK
Dec 29th, 2011 - 03:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
Canal 13 is the most watched TV channnel, and Clarin and La Nacion the leading newspapers. Unless all TV remotes are fixed on the one channel and buying one of the two newpapers is compulsory, then that is the choice of the majority. The media give their readers/viewers what they want and it appears that a lot of Argentines want what they have to offer.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 04:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Much the same Fox tv. Media is business not reportage.Read the people's daily.Oops,that'll be lies as well.Tell me where can I get the truth? Wikileaks?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 YOU ONLY HAVE THOUGHTS, OPINIONS, BULLSH*T, WE HAVE THE FACTS AND WE HAVE ALSO THE INTERNET :) EVEN ESTELA DE CARLOTTO CRITICIZES THIS “LAW”.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0THE TRUTH IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES. BUT YOUR CASE IS THIS, YOU HAVE EARS BUT YOU DON'T LISTEN, YOU HAVE EYES, BUT YOU DON'T SEE. YOU BELIEVE YOUR OWN LIES. YOU ARE DEEPLY AND WILLFULLY BLIND. I BET YOU BELIVE THAT 42000000 PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS COUNTRY READ THE NEWSPAPERS, DON'T YOU?
@20 Relax brother, you are gonna have a heart attack ! :-)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 if I don't like what I see, I click “NEXT” and I watch something else. Do you have that option?
@19 Yes, media is a business and it makes a lot of money. The point is that people have a choice to watch/read or not. To believe or not. But newspapers, in particular, give their readers what they want. People choose to read a newspaper aligned with their views.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@22
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0E, what a magnificent human being! Are you sure you are not Argentine? :-)
@ 21 I'VE NO HEART, DON'T WORRY :)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0MORE OF THE EARLY FRUITS OF EL MODELO, THIS IS JUST A GLIMPSE OF THE HORRIFYING FUTURE, ENJOY :)
http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1436431-santa-cruz-estatales-quieren-impedir-la-reforma-jubilatoria#comentar
I WONDER HOW MANY PIECES OF ARGENTINA WILL LIVE TO TELL THE TALE AFTER EL MODELO HAS COLLAPSED?
“60 años para las mujeres y 65 para los hombres ...” that's what we have here though
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 For once I mostly agree with you Clarin and La Nacion are the most popular papers as is Canal 13 in the tv world and in all probability they will remain so.The last point however has been shown to be not neccesaily true as CFK easily won the election but ok newspapers arent all ablout politics.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 05:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Papel prensa however under Clarin control were naughty boys with newspapers such as Ambito Financiero and the English language Buenos Aires Herald often giving them problems with printing.They also obtained control during the dictatorship.I dont really agree with the state controlling the company but its not a black and white scenario as some would love it to be.
16 Listen I am going to be civil here.You have it wrong read the Buenos Aires Herald its a conservative English language paper ideologically opposed to CFK.The facts are the BCRA are increassing rederves at the moment.
As for inflation in a quickly growing country a little inflation is a good thing if its about 10% as the government says.I think its more but not the 22 the oppsition says somewhere in the middle about 16% which is too much I agree.So this is one of the problems the government must solve in 2012.The Chinese have inflation problems too with the high level of growth it comes with the territory.But the fact is Argentina is vastly more competitive now than it was in 98 when the last boom ended.I beleive the country will see growth this year of around 5 -6% which is quite good when you look at the World around us
Viva Claudia H. T.Dominguez
Dec 29th, 2011 - 06:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live Scotland -- Long Live Republic
LIKE I SAID BEFORE, THE GOVERNMENT WILL USE MORE POWER, MORE VIOLENCE TO KEEP PEOPLE UNDER CONTROL. THOSE WHO VOTED FOR THIS MONSTER WILL ENJOY EVERY MINUTE OF DEMOKRACY WITH K :)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 06:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The majority of people eligible to vote did not vote for CFK. And the point is that the press SHOULD criticise the government. They have a role to play in a democracy. If there was an overwhelming number of people wanting to read a newspaper that never criticised the government and distributed the government propagander, why isn't a business cashing in on it?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 06:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And why has CFK changed her view on protests? She always said it was not the policy of her government to stop protests.
As in every other democracy its the majority of the people who vote that matters not anything else.Under any terms she got massive electoral backing.If you want to go down the road speak off: Cameron got less than 20% of those eligible to vote,Obama a third.theres no point talking nonsense if people dont want to vote they dont want to vote.Participation in Argentina is quite high.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 07:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Of course you are right the press should criticize government and in Argentina the major newspapers savage the government unmercifully.Indeed Clarin tries everything in its power to destabelize the government in a way unknown in Europe.
Protests are one thing but bringing downtown to a complete standstill is another without any warning of some of these protests.
I have my doubts about this law too but we will have to wait and see how it workd before we can say anything definitive.
I agree about the nuisance protests. They are everywhere and inconvenience ordinary Argentines just trying to get to work. It is something they often complain about. You have to wonder how effective something is if it is overused. I was wondering why the change of policy.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 07:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I was using the numbers to illustrate that there are a lot of people willing to buy the newspapers who do not support the government. Why are there not more publications pro-government. I repeat that newspapers give their readers what they want.
@30
Dec 29th, 2011 - 07:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0this is just for you:
http://youtu.be/gPfOZpyUmEk
O'G, Again I don't get it please explain, you are Irish but living in Argentina and you think inflation is somewhere around 10%? What a liar. Or maybe you are just pretending to be Irish and the farthest you have traveled from Avellaneda is Mar del Plata?
Dec 29th, 2011 - 08:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I quick example of ARG inflation; I had a executive lunch for $110 pesos in March 2011, 5 years ago the same lunch in the same restaurant was $30 pesos. This is not very scientific but a decent example based on just that one example the compounded rate is 26% year!
BTW China is falling apart don't you read any news but Cronica? It's bubbles are bursting and its banks are failing. They owe 3X more based on GDP comparison than the USA! Try to catch up.
# 30 - “Participation in Argentina is quite high.” Of course voting participitation should be quite high. It is MANDATORY for all citizens between the ages of 18 and 70.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 08:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0lol!!
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Jerry, you have no mercy :-)
33# you might think it's a decent example but I don't.If that is the kind of information that you base your opinion on I understand how valid your opinion is.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:11 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I would be interested to know on what you base your inflation numbers and if that method is adopted by you consistently.
On the media,I sure what occurred in Venezuela during the attempted coup and kidnapping of Chavez ,must be taken into account in were the media is situated in political terms.Only fools would believe that a product which must sell would put truth before profit.And they don't,they cannot exist without profit,or only for a short time profitless.Isnt that obvious,the most truthful item is the sports results and share prices
Xbari you are trolling still and maybe you don't have a heart but it's maybe a life you are most short of.Why don't you be pro-American for a month.
36, Care to share why it is not a good example? Have others? How about beef? Give it a go and show us some links. I bet beef is higher than 26% yoy over the last 5 years.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:31 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Also it is but one tiny example but it fits with what the private economists have been reporting BEFORE they were prosecuted/persecuted by CFK of course.
Unfortunately, I will be back in BA sometime in the next 3 months I will report again afterwards, same lunch, same place..I bet it's going to be $139 pesos this time.
5 O gara (#) You use the word oligarch to define who??? The wealthy landed gentry of Argentina??? Don't you know they no longer exist!!! “A few to rule, to govern, to command”. Wouldn't this apply more to the Kirchnerites??
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία, oligarkhía[1]) is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with an elite class distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, commercial, and/or military legitimacy. The word oligarchy is derived from the Greek words ”ὀλίγος” (olígos), “a few”[2] and the verb “ἄρχω” (archo), “to rule, to govern, to command”.[3]
32 Grupo de Artilleria 3
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is just for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWlrMUyHaRk
31 lets be fair you are right agree or disagee with their point of view but they are excellent newspapers.Most people I would say there are many problems in Argentina especially corruption and the Frentes tendency to be authoritarian but the opposition lacks credible leadership and most people are doing well.In 2015 The Kirchners will have been 12 years in power.As in other democracies what is needed is a quality opposition candidate who can build a sufficent power base to firstly win and then rule
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 032 much of what Lanata says is true but do you not think the Argentine public wont buy that anymore and do really think the media today could be destroyed like this even if they wanted?
33 I despair of you really please try and read my post again and see what I said i wont say more because I am in charitable mood
38 You are probably right but La Nacion in particular has a particular readership amongst the landed elite and the superrich.Its editorial have been singularly anti working class and is fiercely anti peronist.
@39
Dec 29th, 2011 - 09:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0y mi abuela pateaba calefones !! Marcos, please :-)))
I almost forgot , Happy New Year!
Happy New Year Pomi y ya deje de romper.. :-)
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Para que baile el sabado...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6V1DSAbv2s
37# what factors need taking into account with your example.Has anything improved like the quality of the product.Has the profit margin widen.Is any other factors like the ability to pay improved.What about those hotel prices.
Dec 29th, 2011 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 033. “I despair of you really” Irish huh? Sure! Che, Try a better translation software next time.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:40 am - Link - Report abuse 043.. Same lunch same place, I didn't measure the ounces of meat and the grams of vegetable but I think it is accurate enough. Maybe you don't know how inflation is measured? You buy a product and a year later you buy it again and measure the difference. It really doesn't have to be that precise. Ability to pay has nothing to do with an inflation calculation nor does profit and how do hotel prices figure into anything? Do you know anything about economics or simple math?
@42
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For the record Marcos, those are NOT “gorillas” :-))
44# Hagen-das did it a different way.Same product same size same quality and it got cheaper.We all know why don't we.Things get dearer for the same reason.What about the price of the Tribune,26% compound dearer is it?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is how Cristina and his colaborators and her voters treat the people of Santa Cruz. This is what Cristina de Kirchner understands when she talks about DemoKracy. Pero en Santa Cruz la señora de la glándula ganó con el 65%, así que Santacruceños, ajo y agua para ustedes (palos y balas también), a bancarselá :)
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJuj61R4duI
and you Malvinists want the falklanders to accept what you offer? :P
40 O gara (#) I wouldn't go so far as to say anti-working class, I most certainly am not, but yes, I am fiercely anti-peronist and I would only wish they would stop using the name of someone dead and who was pro-Nazi and a paedofile (remember his lover after Evita - Nelida Rivas - who was only 14)
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