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Argentine ambassador who ignores basic facts on the Falklands takes office in Washington
Ambassador Jorge Argüello arrived Thursday to Washington and immediately began activities as head of the Argentine embassy before the US with a first round of talks with members of his staff, according to a release from the embassy. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesHow sad that such a seemingly intelligent man should be so ignorant.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:11 am - Link - Report abuse 0Arch-plonker, extraodinaire.& Liar
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:12 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:20 am - Link - Report abuse 0Look at that face and expression. Has he got all his marbles? Still, it shouldn't take him long to upset the Americans.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0Duckhead ( I hate this keyboard!)
Dec 30th, 2011 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Looks like the entertainment has arrived. I can't wait for his next performance.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Lunatics have escaped from the ayslum (argentina), If you see this man deport him back straight away or just chuck him out of a hercules into the atlantic, it will remind him of Home!!!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Lol at the usual torrent of verbal diarrhoea coming from the brit bloggers.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 12:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0An Argentine war veteran drowned when he was sailing to the Falklands. Do you see Malvinists the consequences of being a nationalistic pr*ck? Was it worth it? Are you happy now Malvinists?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How can anyone with half a brain tolerate this ludicrous character?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I give it six months until he goes back to Argentina because his credibility as a serious diplomat will not survive the lies about the Malvinas (because there are no Malvinas).
Oh Mercopre$$......that title and content !!!
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentine ambassador who ignores basic facts on the Falklands takes office in Washington....
do you think the US state department dont check data to whom they gave diplomat credentials ? no...surely Mercopre$$ can give them some advices.
later say about Arguello....
”He has also mentioned that Islanders prefer to remain in the Falklands because contrary to UK residents they receive ‘full’ social welfare benefits.
Ignoring the Falklands flourishing economy Argüello had no qualms in stating that it is precisely UK social welfare and the British military that are crucial for the ‘heavily subsidized’ Falklands colonial economy.
......Arguello knows perfectly well what he´s talking about....he´s 100 % right.
Honest journalist and thinker people in UK know the truth that Britain hide to his tax payers contributors.....but that situation is almost over, LatiAmerica are unmasking the true intention of Britain expropriating land and stealing another country's natural resources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQ3QI7TprA
p.s. Red..are you improving your aim in archery ? advice STFU
ChrisR , this kind of people don´t understand too intelectual frase (half a brain tolerate this ludicrous character).
Dec 30th, 2011 - 01:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and interesting comment from UK´s resident tax payer......people are not fool...sooner or later everybody will realize the truth about Malvinas....stolen islands to a young nation (Argentina) in 1833.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Argentina NEVER will give up......and international community neither, this every day will be worse if UK don´t obey UN resolutions....sit for negotation as civilized people.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQ3QI7TprA
“...I understand the Falklanders' postion.They are a tiny group, and they want to keep taking the money and keep the lucrative troop bases.And who knows - another UK Prime Minister in trouble electorally might start another war..”
Thanks this videos everything is so clear for me. AND FOR YOU?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0South America doesn´t want UK in Malvinas, the fact!!!!
Chile has threament of UK for Antartic territories, Brazil doesn´t want UK in S. America.
UK wants occupied the territory of FI just to earn, but now, UK is losing more than he though.
Losing markets for earning money and a diplomatic status and scenarios so worst. Which kind of future do you have?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsQ3QI7TprA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOe9PJrbo0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOe9PJrbo0s
I was wondering, what are we gonna call Ross Road after the pirat liberation? “República Argentina”? Or “Islas Malvinas Argentinas”?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We should also replace the Tatcher Rd for “CFK”.
If you have neurons, come back to London! unfortunatly you don´t have any opportunities in FI.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:36 pm - Link - Report abuse 0in 1883 there was no Argentine, but there was as there is now the Falkland Islands, Brazil paying to send students to Uni in the UK but not to the Argentine, Uruguay losing revenue from the Falklands, An Argentine war veteran drowned when he was sailing to the Falklands as your government as stooped them from flying to the Islands, New deep-water dock to be built in the Islands, you are giving us a hard time NOT, but still I hope you all have a Happy New Year, well as good a one as CFK lets you have.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 02:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hilarious title.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Kipling: did you and Argüello go to the same clown school?
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 011 so_far
Dec 30th, 2011 - 03:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Arguello knows perfectly well what he´s talking about....he´s 100 % right”.
If I were you, I would contact the 'Ambassador' straight away and ask him for a job. Given your intellect matches his and your views are the same he is bound to offer you a superior position :o)
All Washington rooms will empty when this bonehead enters, he will have to start an argument in an empty room and ague with himself. Still that won’t be too hard for him he is used to believing his own lies. I pity the Americans when they see this bonehead heading for them. I can hear them now, SHIT RUN RUN, HIDE QUICK, LOCK THE DOORS, and OH FOOOKING HELL TO LATE, JUMP OUT OF THE WINDOWS, OH FOOKING HELL TO LATE. Pass me the cyanide pills will you I have to listen to the dickhead now.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:18 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“The Argentine ambassador ignores basic facts about the Falkland Islands inauguration in Washington”
Dec 30th, 2011 - 05:35 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It looks very clear that Mercopress not hide his anger towards Argentina and her sympathy for the British cause in the Falklands conflict. You can not assimilate that this man (Jorge Arguello) has become an influential figure in diplomacy and is widely consulted by the Head of the Department of State U.S. Bernie Sanders.
The facts speak for themselves, it is clear that this man (Jorge Arguello), works with substance and intelligence and is moving very well the political threads in the UN and has arrived in the U.S. White House.
You are quite right in his comments so_far 11 and 13:
...... Arguello knows what he's talking about .... that is 100% correct.
Honest people journalist and thinker in the UK know the truth that Britain taxpayers hide their collaborators. but that situation is about to end, Latin America unmask the true intentions of Great Britain, land expropriation and theft of natural resources of another country.
22 Raul
Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You seem to be so wishing this lying numbnut to be something that he isn't that you have incorrectly promoted the poor sucker who will have to deal with him on a day to day basis ”the head of the State Department DESK for the region, Bernie Sanders.
The United States Secretary of State is Hillary Rodham Clinton and I doubt he will have much access to her. We all remember what Hillary thought of CFK don't we?
@ 22 I can tell you about the millions of Bolivians and Paraguayans who own not only a small piece of land in Argentina's territory, but whole cities in Argentina, and you're worried about the islanders who live in a different place? One day those Bolivian, Peruvian and Paraguayan brothers will claim that the land belongs to them and it will be funny, believe me, I will laugh at you :)
Dec 30th, 2011 - 06:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=31614
http://www.h-net.org/reviews/showrev.php?id=31614
I am astonished that this little man has cheated all countries around the world.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 07:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Oh my god what a stupid stupid world.
11 so_far
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He' not 100% right; he's a liar, and so are you, and so is Raul.
There is no UK social security here. The economy of the FI is not subsidised. The military base is not lucrative.
The taxpayers of the UK are welcome to see our audited accounts any time they like.
I realise that a government without rampant corruption must be a tricky idea for you to get your head around, but do try.
Considering that slander and false accusations are illegal,
Dec 30th, 2011 - 08:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Perhaps its time the British got its finger out, and made Argentina prove all the slanderous lies in the [ICJ]
That would shut Argentina up,
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@ 27 briton, stop insisting on the ICJ, that won't ever happen, because the UK is in the ICJ.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 09:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UK does not have a permanent seat, like many Mercopress posters seem to be asserting.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sir CJ Greenwood is the UK Member on the ICJ for the period 2009-2081.
Unasur has its representative Member in Sr. AAC Trindade of Brasil, also 2009-2018.
LatAm also has SR. BS Amor of Mexico, 2006-2015.
Additionally, Article 31 of the statute of the ICJ sets out a procedure whereby ad hoc judges sit on contentious cases before the Court. This system allows any party/both parties to a contentious case to nominate a judge of their choosing, raising the number of judges on the case from 15 to a potential 17.
Thus, in principle and in practice, Argentina has a more powerful voting advocacy then the politically-isolated UK.
If ever there was a time for Argentina/Unasur to seek ICJ adjudication on TFI, it is now.
GeoffWard2: When they say a permanent seat. They often refer to the security council, it's hard for them to know a difference.
Dec 30th, 2011 - 10:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 022 Raul ...... Arguello knows what he's talking about .... that is 100% correct.---- none of you idiots know what you are talking about, you never have and you are too stupid to know what you’re talking about in the future. That's why your country is so backward in the world and in its affairs and why it’s always in trouble. You have every European idiot that we Europeans don't want sitting in your country, your country is full of them all European rejects that have found a place at the end of the earth and who have interbred with one another. You even talk of an island that does not exist, Jesus Christ a psychiatrist would have a field day with you lot and then after go and see a psychiatrist himself or herself and take a sabbatical to just get over your visits to him or her you’re that delusional. It’s a good job Darwin is not alive he would not have wrote his book on natural selection if he had had a glimpse of you cavemen it would have thrown all his theories into utter confusion ...... Arguello knows what he's talking about .... that is 100% correct.---- Ye gods alive I have not laughed so much since we heard that your president had cancer.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0I spent considerable time in Argentina in 2010, and the position is “the islands are ours, full stop”. The British have the exact same reaction, but in the reverse direction. As an American, I was often appealed to by both sides. First, by the Argentines - as a fellow citizen of the American continent, and a country that revolted against the British, should not the Americans support the Argentine cause? Second, by the Brits - as part of the “special relationship” shouldn't the Americans support the British cause? The Brits have supported the Americans in thick and thin, and now it's our turn.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 03:59 am - Link - Report abuse 0I read up on the subject, and would like to point out a few things:
1. Possession is 9/10ths of the law, especiallywhen it comes to territory. If the Argentines felt so strongly about these islands, why didn't they fight to win them before 1982? They've had 200 years of independence, and yet only invaded when the Junta needed to divert attention from the Dirty War.
2. Argentina first staked their claim in 1820 when David Jewett sailed the Heroina to the islands for shelter. He claimed the islands under the United Provinces of the River Plate. One of those provinces, the Eastern, became present day Uruguay. Another, the Oriental Mission, went to Brazil. Five additional provinces became Bolivia. Therefore, do not all these countries have equal claim to the Falkland/Malvinas Islands?
3. The spirit of “nativism” seems to be a key component for giving the islands to the Argentines. Because colonial power is bad. And yet, the vast majority of Argentines are descendents of European colonialists. Should the islands therefore be given to Tribal authorities, rather than (white) Argentine authorities?
4. If oil is found on the islands, it can be shipped anywhere in the world. And other Commonwealth countries / territories will shelter Falkland flagged boats. How is the present boycott of Falkland flagged boats going to return possession to Argentina?
Re xbox's first link on post #24 about the plight of the Bolivians in Argentina.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 04:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0ln the midst of a crisis “the Mayor of BsAs & the President cfk, traded insults”
Couldn't stop laughing at that one!
Thats about all these malvinistas can do...................insult! ha ha ha ha.
Poltroons.
@ 32 Jayne Birkin (#)
Dec 31st, 2011 - 08:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0There is no 'special relationship' between the US and Uk anymore Jayne. Your President said that very clearly when he entered the White House and removed all images of Winston Churchill and other British politicians and Royalty, then he went to London and made a great display of dis-respecting the British Queen . No Argentine leader or politician would have done that.
Time to resolve this issue peacefully is running out Jayne because when that Oil is being pumped out and shipped north detante will cease to be replaced by militarist nationalism and it will spread over the face of South America possibly involving leaders like Chavez who can invest enormous military resources into any conflict and he will also involve outside powers.
So you see how potentially dangerous this issue can become?
Britain cannot defend the islands regardless of the rhetoric you read in here. I have personally seen the quality of the British troops in the Malvinas and I was shocked. I got the impression that most of them joined the military so they could get three meals a day and a bed and have you seen Britain sending any warships and extra aircraft to the islands as a gesture of strength? Of course not - because they dont have them. In fact many British soldiers are leaving Britain to live in Australia because they are so afraid for their jobs.
And Argentina learned a lot of lessons from 1982 while Britain has not.
Britain got rid of the Harrier aircraft which could be dispersed around the islands in the event of a threat but they cannot do that with the Typhoons so once that runway at Mount Pleasant is gone the only place those aircraft can go is into the sea leaving the islands defenceless.
And in any future conflict, nobody is going to allow any British ships full of troops to sail unmolested to the islands like in 1982.
And what are the British nuclear subs going to do? vaporise BA?
@34dreyfoss,
Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:13 am - Link - Report abuse 0“And what are the British nuclear subs going to do?vaporise BA?”
lf our backs are to the wall, Yes.
“ .. And what are the British nuclear subs going to do? vaporise BA? ...”
Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:23 am - Link - Report abuse 0Well it's always an option.
Full of cr*p Dross - you haven't got a military worthy of the name, and your neighbour's won't help you, for all the supposed support. Venezuela might just be the exception, and wouldn't that be seen as a wonderful opportunity ...... by the US. Who are apparently giving all your leaders cancers anyway!
34 dreyfoss
Dec 31st, 2011 - 10:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0Astutes also carry conventionally tipped cruise missiles, no need to vapourise anything. Destroying your infrastructure will bring your President to her knees because the population FOR THE FIRST TIME would witness death and destruction first hand. It will soon end then.
22 Raul mercopress is obviously Anti Argentina its a tool of the Citys secret service.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The delusions of some of the Malvinenses is amazing.they delude themselves about their position in the World as they are falling apart as quickly as the USSR did.In ten years time they will be lucky if they can defend themselves not to mind the South Atlantic.The games up Europes f....d the new World order of the giant emerging countries is here .Get over it
34 dreyfoss
Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Why are the argentines talking WAR when they claim Peace in the same breath!!
And were did You Dreyfoss get your information from an argentine fairy story book! More likely that you just made up all that GUFF that you typed!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
32 Jayne Birkin
Dec 31st, 2011 - 12:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Thanks for your support, it's good to get an outside observors view on the subject. 4 very good points for the Argentine side to consider.
34 Dreyfoss
I think you would find that despite the Obama administrations' unwelcome comments on the Falklands issue, that if you attacked us again, he would be under pressure to back us up, possibly militarily.
As we have troops serving alongside US forces in afghanistan, he would be reminded, in no uncertain terms that they owe us for all the blood and treasure we have spent helping them over there. Failure to support us would be a disaster for him and for US foreign policy.
If they abandoned us, no one would take the US seriously anymore as a friend or as a power to be reckoned with.
Besides, Obama may very well lose the next election, and the Republicans have made it clear that they intend to take a firmer line with the likes of Chavez and CFK.
We are quite well aware of the need to match emerging powers like India and China over here - there is a lot of soul searching going on about how to improve our competitive edge. We are'nt out of the running yet.
Besides I would'nt count your country as a particularly big economic threat to us. You don't have anywhere near the innovativion or productivity of India or China. You also also struggling with high inflation.
As for nuking targets in Argentina. Well it's worth remembering that they are the ultimate guarantor of our national defence. The cuts in our conventional forces may actually have lowered the threshold at which HM govt would be prepared to use nuclear weapons. That's something that Argentine strategists will have to think about if you want to go for round 2.
@40 shb (#)
Dec 31st, 2011 - 01:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry old chap but the USA - who supplied you with the missiles for your submarines can remotely de-activate them.
Oh Dear - didn't your government tell you that?
The UK doesn't have a “president” dreyfoss. It shows how up to speed you are. And as for Obama “dis-respecting” the Queen on his visit to London, nothing could be further from the truth. The US able to switch Trident off? Not in the real world...
Dec 31st, 2011 - 01:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@ 33 happy you can laugh because you don't have a president whose gland teaches Constitutional Law (CFK said that in a press conference) and her tortoise neck is famous all over the world, you're just jealous :P
Dec 31st, 2011 - 02:27 pm - Link - Report abuse 041 Dreyfoss
Dec 31st, 2011 - 03:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sorry old chap but I'd like to see anyone try to deactivate a trident warhead while it is in it's launch tube, 200 odd feet below the surface of the atlantic.
For a start, the fire control computers are'nt connected directly to any external computer network. If they were, a clever enemy would be able to pull off just the trick you suggested, or even worse, re purpose the weapons as part of their own lay down.
They are controlled via coded messages, the US would need to get access to these, and even then, the crew of the boat would probably query orders that were nonsense via another channel of communication.
Besides, radio waves of sufficient frequency to carry enough data to interfere with the boats computer systems can't penetrate far enough into the sea, or through the hull of the boat. On top of that the computer systems are very robust and designed to be self contained.
The weapons can't be deactivated while in flight either, and turning off GPS will not affect the impact point. These things are built for total war.
Your scenario would only happen in a “James Bond” or “Mission Impossible” film.
Anyway, the chance of them being used is VERY remote, too many of your civilians would die, unless you did something really despicable.
However you can expect RN attack subs to fire their Tomahawks cruise missiles against Argentine targets. CFK would be a legitimate leadership target at La Casa Rosada or the Quinta de Olivos as part of a decapitation strategy. She may take this into account before ordering your armed forces to attack us again.
Hello South American bloggers so_far, Kipling, Islas Malvinas, Forgetit, Raul, dreyfoss, O gara. How do you manage to be so delusional? There is a difference between Argentines and Britons. Over here there are 60 million people who believe in Britain and its values. And what have you argies got? Around 40 million people recently notable for murdering 0.1% of its population and mostly psychotic. Was that the best you could do? Your Nazi idols did better.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 04:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bottom line. Whichever way you turn you are failures. Can't manage economics. Can't manage an extermination programme. Can't manage an invasion. Can't manage an occupation. Can't manage a defence against the finest armed forces in the world.
Perhaps, when you manage to drag yourselves up from the Stone Age, you will have learned not to try to take on someone so far beyond your abilities.
@41 Would you like to hear a joke? The warheads on British Trident D5 missiles are British-designed and British-manufactured. In addition, the missiles can be fired using data from inertial navigation. Thereby avoiding interference with or from the American GPS. It's why it's called an “independent” nuclear deterrent. Oh dear, did your propagandist government not tell you that? If Britain decides to launch its nuclear weapons, no-one, NO-ONE, will be able interfere. Flight time is less than 30 minutes. Thought you should know that. Always a good idea to know when you are going to die/be vapourised/melt.
No matter what our idiotic current President may personally think of the UK the USA would wholeheartedly support the UK if they were attacked.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 05:37 pm - Link - Report abuse 0There should be no question of the UK/US relationship it has been strong for over 100+ yrs and nothing and no one is ever going to change it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwrX-LN9-L0
@34dreyfoss,
Dec 31st, 2011 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get the message, dreyfoss?
@34dreyfoss,----And just in case you haven’t take a look at these at our Queen at in Canada the country many of you Argy bloggers say doesn't want nothing to do with our country. And take note in one of them of how many commonwealth country's she is head of, something that we are very proud of. When you have someone, remotely like our Queen who is respected all around the World and who Presidents even bow to like in the last clip you may comment until then I would keep your finger of the keyboard.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0We have more than just a few countries that unlike you we can call upon to come to our aid if the need arise. All you have are a few countries that you bully and intimidate with your rhetoric who would at the drop of a hat drop you right in the shit at the first hint of trouble. That's not to say they are not honourable and brave, it’s just that deep down they hate your guts and can see your country for what it really is. A country that has no future unless it changes its ways and whose leaders always put themselves first and who are as corrupt as the day is long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2piHvulblc&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2piHvulblc&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2piHvulblc&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2piHvulblc&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2piHvulblc&feature=endscreen&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2piHvulblc&feature=endscreen&NR=1
@44 shb (#) Your ignorance of your own military astonished me. Trident missiles are leased from the US. The warheads they carry are based on an American design (the W-76) and manufactured at the Atomic Weapons Establishment in Berkshire. Its factory is a copy of a nuclear plant at Los Alamos, and it is two-thirds owned by the American companies Lockheed Martin and Jacobs Engineering.THE FIRING SYSTEM IS DESIGNED AND BUILT IN THE USA SO IS THE MISSILE GUIDANCE SYSTEM AND THE MISSILES ARE AIMED VIA US CONTROLLED SATELLITES. The subs themselves are designed and built in the UK, but use American components and American reactor technology. There might be the odd shaving brush and plastic cup on board that was designed and manufactured entirely in the UK, but that's about the limit of your deterrent's independence.
Dec 31st, 2011 - 09:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Once in the air they can come directly under the control of the US.
@46 yankeeboy (#) 'SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP' Winston Churchill used this term in his 'Sinews of Peace Address' at Westminster College, Fulton, Missouri, in March 1946 (more commonly called the Iron Curtain speech)
The 'special relationship' effectively ended in 1947 when your prime minister Clement Atlee begged the USA for a massive loan of some $6 billion to re-build the British economy and the Americans screwed you so badly with interest it took you until 2006 to fully pay it off (This loan is mistakenly believed by most British to be the 'Lend-'Lease' loan which again serves to emphasise your ignorance.
The 'Special Relationship' effectively ended when the Iron Wall came down and the USA entered a period of 'open door' immigration which has resulted in an America having a predominantly non Anglo/European majority.
No President of the USA will put the interests of a declining foreign power like Britain before a majority electorate, most of whom share no cultural links with you and can't speak English. In fact I doubt if the USA will even be an English speaking nation by 2090.
Dreyfoss.
Jan 01st, 2012 - 12:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0LOL. I don't think you got what “inertila guidance” meant. You can't rely on GPS being operational in the event of the kind of war that Trident was built for. You also can't rely on the USA being able to give the kind of support you seem to think we need. The President could be a permament shadow on the floor, as could our PM. There may be no-one to turn to for help.
The whole idea of the deterrent is that NO ONE CAN STOP IT short of putting a torpedo into the boat.
If it requires outside activation or satellite control, it becomes vulnerable to attack by your enemy (in this case the Soviet Union was envisaged as the prime candidate). The Soviets were good at penetrating western governments. If they suborned the command and control system that you imagine we are using, they would have re-targeted the Weapons on launch.
I know very well where the things are built, and the various contractors who are responsible. It's all a matter of public record. I actually watched one go out on deterrent patrol recently. I really would'nt try to patronise me old chap.
You are displaying you're own ignorance about military technology and you're own pre-disposition towards conspiracy theories.
This is'nt the X files you know.
No power on Earth can stop those weapons being depolyed once the launch keys are turned.
Argüello, had no qualms in stating anything that comes into his head,
Jan 01st, 2012 - 03:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Without a thought for the consequences,
In the white house on Christmas eve, in a reply that Santa clause
May be delayed, he was heard to mutter,
The British are probably holding him hostage .
Did not go down well with the elf’s .
Thank CFK it was only a dream
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LOL at all the conspiracy theorists. If you don't like the articles printed by Mercopress, don't read it.
Jan 01st, 2012 - 03:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@49 I don't mind your comments. Please feel free to pass your words on to all Argentines and South Americans if it makes you feel “safe”. Let's take the various elements. The “launch codes” are totally British. They do not use the same system as the US launch codes. The “fire codes” follow the same principle. Irrespective of the sources, components are assembled by British technicians. You know, the same sort of people that guided the Americans in how to assemble the first nuclear weapons. As part of the launch procedure the location of the submarine is determined either by GPS or by inertial navigation. A comparison of inertial navigation and GPS data would indicate whether the GPS data was inaccurate or compromised. Once the missile is fired there is only one option for external data input. Everything is internal except for a British abort code. But if it makes you feel better, carry on thinking that the Americans can switch off our “independent” nuclear deterrent. Oh, and by the way, the missiles are not “leased”. They are bought and paid for under a system by which the UK has access to a “pool” of missiles. The US has no veto on the use of British nuclear weapons. Meaning that British submarines can simply sail to the US and have missiles replaced without waiting for missiles to be serviced. And here's the good bit. British submarines can simply sail clear of US territorial waters and then fire.
Jan 01st, 2012 - 04:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0GRANDE LULA!!!!! For my dear Friend, if anybody has any question of Brazil possition of Malvinas, pleas, look at this
Jan 01st, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=IvHJKwEvypY
Kipling - So you think you have Brazilian support? I beg to differ and here is why.
Jan 01st, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0At the end of this month the oil rig LEIV EIRIKSSON will be drilling in the SFB and Eastern aspect of the SFB for BOR and FOGL. According to Argentina this drilling is illegal (although they choose not to challenge this in a court of law with jurisdiction {the ICJ} which kind of makes a mockery of such a claim).
If Brazil really supported Argentina and its claims regarding oil exploration then surely it would have nothing to do with the oil rig and refuse to allow it into port?
As it transpires this rig with arrive in Brazil this week (based on speed, heading and distance calculations). I suggest this simple act of supporting the FIG and the companies holding licenses issued by the FIG clearly demonstrates where Brazil's priorities lie. Click the link below and zoom out and you will see where the rig is heading.
http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/default.aspx?mmsi=308243000¢erx=-30.64137¢ery=-4.01084&zoom=10&type_color=8
Thanks for supporting the economy of the FI Brazil :-) Chuckle Chuckle (where has Think gone? No staying power?)
55, It is not in brazilians waters
Jan 01st, 2012 - 08:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read my post Kippers. It is heading straight for Brazil and will in Brazilian waters (and probably a Brazilian port) during this week.
Jan 01st, 2012 - 08:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Do you wish to disagree with me? Will it be impounded by the Brazilians?
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Jan 01st, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You think you Americans can,
[]53 Conqueror [] you think they cant,
One scenario to this question, is what if we get an American president that don’t like us, what if , he refuses, what if he falls out with us,
Do you really think the British have paid out over 30billion plus for a sub and missile, that we cant use/ ,mr Obama, is the man, if any , to say NO, so it has to be independent
So the answer is, the British government has the right to say, when and where,
The only thing the Americans can do, is put pressure on the British, not to,?
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56 Kipling [fifty years from now] you may have a point]
Brazil has bigger fish to fry, for her to get her ambitions, she may well have to let Argentina go, or at the very least, reduce reliance and or dependencies .
To back Argentina up, with anything more than talk, would risk her future,
The world is expecting big things from her, so why would she throw it all away, because of a few rocks that has nothing to do with her,
Brazil, she is a growing oil exporter, and will grow, billions will be made,
Oil rigs in the sea, pipe lines shore establishment, oil terminals,
[need is say any more]
Brazil has a future, a bright future, a great future, but theirs always a bloody fly in every soup,
In this case its [Argentina] you work it out//, A country that had a great future [all gone]
Because of their governments obsession and deluded greed over the Falklands, and anti british rhetoric.
2012 will be the year of the British ,// So run away now, were busy .
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Kippers. I would like to wager some money on the LE passing through Brazilian territory. Are you up for it?
Jan 01st, 2012 - 08:58 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hello Dreyfoss
Jan 01st, 2012 - 10:32 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I'd thought I'd ask you answer 3 questions about Trident, just to finally clear this topic up once and for all. I really am interested in getting a reply from you.
1 How did you find out about it, or did you figure it out yourself?
2 Can you produce some documentary evidence to back up your claim and
refute both what I have read and learned 1st hand from talking to people in our military? This needs a technical description of how the US actually goes about gaining control of the weapons (I grant you they could always put diplomatic and economic pressure on us not to use them).
3 If you figured this out by yourself, why have'nt we done the same - and found some way to circumvent US restrictions. After all we may wnat to hit someone that the US considers to be a friend. Like Argentina.....
MY reply should have gone to 49 dreyfoss
Jan 01st, 2012 - 10:41 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and not [50]
sorry
To #34 dreyfoss (#): The “special relationship” is definitely long and strong. If it was broken, then why would the British still have troups in Afghanistan? Why would the UK coordinate the recent flights over Libya (with assistance from the Americans)? The conjecture that President Obama “ruined” the special relationship are just conjecture whipped up by tabloids who sell newspapers based on manufactured controversy.
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 07:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0Other leaders have made faux pas in protocol with the Queen, and long term diplomacy, alliances, and relationships continued unabated. Each president decorates the Oval Office as he sees fit, art comes and goes into the archives. The president and first lady have been received multiple times in Buckingham Palace, and the US-Anglo relationship continues unabated.
I'm not sure where Argentina goes from here, CFK scored domestic political points that got her re-elected. But the same comments have only made British politicians and citizens dig in their heels about defending the Falkland / Malvinas islands.
62 Jayne Birkin----The Wicked Witch of the South is rather isolated with nowhere to turn now. She took on people who are well versed in these sorts of things and she has come out of it discredited. She has tried every trick in the book diplomatically and by the illegal blockade and it has got her nowhere. All it has done is to once more bring to light the bullying attitude of Argentina and how they break international law. No matter what the country's that border Argentina say to her face, once behind closed doors they must shake their heads in bewilderment and amusement and without a doubt they will stick both fingers up at her if push comes to shove.
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 09:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0@63Britishbulldog,
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 09:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please don't call cfk a witch.
lt gives us witches a bad name! lol.
l prefer to regard her as a misguided elemental.:)
Sorry Isolde from now on I will call her The Misguided Reprobate of Botox Experiments. Happy New year to you and all your family and to all our family on your islands may 2012 continue to be most prosperous for all of you.
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 01:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 064 Isolde
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 02:21 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You surprised me with that comment because: “The Welsh name Isolde means - A name that signifies ”fair lady.“ This is the name of the heroine in the medieval romance Tristan and Isolde” However, I suppose a good witch can be / is a “FairLady” lol :o)
Hi Isolde.
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 02:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hope you are enjoying your summer (mild winter up here at the mo) and that the new year is good to everyone way down south!
What kind of elemental do you think CFK is - my guess would be a sylph, a HOT air elemental.
@49 Let me continue debunking your little myths. ”The warheads they carry are based on an American design (the W-76) and manufactured at the Atomic Weapons Establishment in Berkshire.“ You surprise me. Let's try an analogy. I've bought a US car. I decide to change the wheels and tyres. Would the replacement wheels and tyres be square because they were made in Britain? So if you're fitting a warhead on the top of a missile it has to fit the missile. Get it now? ”THE FIRING SYSTEM IS DESIGNED AND BUILT IN THE USA SO IS THE MISSILE GUIDANCE SYSTEM AND THE MISSILES ARE AIMED VIA US CONTROLLED SATELLITES.“ Yes. Yes. No. I've already covered your misconception about how the missiles are aimed @ 53. Another analogy for you. Have you noticed that, these days, a lot of television sets are made in Japan? Do they work in the US, in Britain and in Argentina? Amazingly, they do. Perhaps you can apply that to the Trident firing and guidance systems.
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 04:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I do like your assertion that ”which has resulted in an America having a predominantly non Anglo/European majority.“ Have you seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Population A few minutes thought ought to have you asking this question. If 63.7% of the US population are ”white”, where do they come from? Note that that figure excludes Hispanics and Latinos. So did you work your idea out by yourself or has someone been telling you lies? Same sort of situation as in 1982 when invading argentines thought they would be welcomed as liberators. You and Arguello are two of a kind.
As I write I see that you haven't made any comments this year. See if you can score a double first by admitting you've been wrong and don't know what you are talking about!
They do say,
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The main reason he looks like that, is he was once turned down by the girl guides
And got into the brownies,
Still nothing changes then
Brownnosing
Jorge Argüello, the man no body wants .
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On re -reading my earlier post on CFK, the wording looks really unfortunate, like I find her attractive (DOH!).
Jan 02nd, 2012 - 11:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I mean an elemental made of hot air, just like any other politician.
Thanks, boys.
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 08:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0l just call cfk, mrs rubberface. Not very complimentary, l know & not very Christian either but she is a warmonger afterall.
Of course you can call her what you like. Even a witch if you want to!
l was lightly joking, my youngest daughter is witchy also.♥
Kentuky Fried Chicken perhaps,
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 07:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0just a sizzerling thought .
Look at the Britt Falkand whingers acting like a bunch of pussies
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 08:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0all you guys do is whinge and moan go and settle down in a retirement village and go get a life :0
pot kettle black..
Jan 03rd, 2012 - 08:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The Islanders are Argentinian. They have all the rights of the Argentinian native people. The Malvinas Islands are a part of Tierra del Fuego Province.
Jan 04th, 2012 - 02:50 am - Link - Report abuse 0#75 johnfarrel: When I was in Bariloche in 2010, there was a conference of locals from Argentina and Chile holding tribal meetings. One family gave me a ride in their truck, when I was waiting for a bus back to town from the national park. I got to hear all their stories. Their goal is to reclaim lands taken by European settlers.
Jan 04th, 2012 - 07:51 am - Link - Report abuse 0While the Argentines are trying to reclaim some islands with a variety of owners, you're all for it. What happens when the tribes go to the international courts to try to take back land from people with surnames like Farrel?
I do wish people would refrain from name-calling on this thread (both sides). It does not help when CFK made disparaging remarks about the British prime minister. So far he has refrained from upping the ante, but merely referred to the residents' rights to self-determination and the referendum from 10 years ago.
I also have some sympathy for CFK and female politicians in general. When they allow themselves to age naturally, they are made fun of (Hilary Clinton is ridiculed often), and when they have “improvement” procedures, they are also ridiculed. Male politicians, on the other hand, can be balding, portly, wrinkled hangdogs, alternate between two suits (one blue, one black), or jogging suits, and no none thinks twice of it.
@76JayneBirkin,
Jan 04th, 2012 - 10:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0Very true re any female in any position of power.
Damned if you do & damned if you don't.
Won't that be a laugh, if Argentina is forced to hand over land to the native peoples?
l suppose they'll all be descended from the natives then?:)
Just think, sr Think may have to give up his farm & move back to Sweden :)!
Anyway, Jayne, the Argentines would refuse to accept any court's ruling that they didn't like.
”Won't that be a laugh, if Argentina is forced to hand over land to the native peoples?
Jan 04th, 2012 - 10:53 am - Link - Report abuse 0l suppose they'll all (claim to) be descended from the natives then.”
Interesting proposition, Isolde.
Totally impractical, of course:
what proportion of genes would constitute 'native' (indigenous)? . . . 50%, 10%, 1%, 100%?
Still, good for a smile on this bright and sunny morning.
64 and 77 lsolde
Jan 04th, 2012 - 07:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is not this a laugh, if Argentina is forced to give up land to the native peoples?
I guess everything will be descendants of the natives, then:?)
Just think, Mr. Think you have to give up his ranch and return to Sweden:)!
Anyway, Jayne, Argentines refuse to accept the decision of any court that he did not like.
Pathetic and sad your comments: With the respect you deserve, being an older person may be my mother, I totally wrong. As I'm proud of Argentina Cristina Kirchner deliver and return the land to the Indians as did Eva Peron with the natives of the Chaco Boreal. Today the British exploitative employers think quebracho remove again, killing Indians as they did in the past, but find a strong position to defend the indigenous government of Cristina Kirchner. Our country has already returned to indigenous lands as long ago in which huarpes.
What you need to make fun of the misfortune of others?
At your age you have to make an examination of conscience, not your curses to others, you will return against you, against your loved ones. Still spitting up that you'll regret.
God help you
79 Raul
Jan 04th, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today the British exploitative employers think quebracho remove again, killing Indians as they did in the past/////////////////
ARE you making a statement of truth or more lies,
Please provide the proof that the British, today are killing Indians on argie soil,
As for ageism
How do you know [ lsolde ], is old [did I get that right]
Is this not insulting, she may well be a very nice 20/30 rear old,
That was rude, my man
After all you would not like it if someone call your glorious leader a Barbie doll looking for her own action man, [would you?] unless you would like to volunteer,
No offence is ever intended,
But the interpretations may be.
Ditto .
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Raul,
Jan 04th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0your stories have the same saga-like qualities as Beowulf.
In the days of old Europe of the 6th century people actually believed such stories.
Over the centuries they have become the stuff of legend and the starting point for the study of 'English' literature.
I did meen YEAR OLD
Jan 05th, 2012 - 01:56 am - Link - Report abuse 0and not 20/30 rear old, sorry.
Thats alright briton, l enjoy your posts & your young outlook on life.
Jan 05th, 2012 - 09:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0@79Raul,
As briton said, you have no idea how old l am.
How on earth did you decide that l'm old? l'd be interested to know.
l might be & l might not be?
Do l use old fashioned English?
Anyway, it doesn't matter.
After all the Argentine's posing, posturing, whining,lying,complaining & crying about their beloved “malvinas”(which do not exist), lf they had to hand stolen land back to the native peoples, l would laugh until l cried.
Poetic Justice, l would say.♥
Yes, Raul, l would enjoy it, l'm not ashamed to say.
thank you.
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