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Falklands vessels can re-flag and operate in Mercosur ports, says Hague
Ships from the Falkland Islands that are barred from ports in Argentina and other Mercosur trade bloc countries can re-flag as British ships at any time to avoid the ban, British Foreign Secretary William Hague told reporters in Rio de Janeiro on Thursday. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rulesThere you go argentina, your banning of falkland vessels is meaningless as they can still enter port using the british flag. Ban the british flag an your asking for serious international condemnation and sanctions being imposed on you.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 09:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0So whats your next move Argentina? Stopping the Lan flights will have no effect on the islanders but will simply stop argentines visiting the islands. So banning Lan would be like shooting yourself in the foot. It would appear the only course of action you have is to carry on with nothing but verbal outbursts, or if your really stupid you could attempt another invasion, though we all know the only real reason why you ruled out military action, is simply because you do not have the military assets or equipment to take the islands let alone hang on to them.
I wonder how many Argentines realise just how much time their President wastes on meanless policies. Her time would be better spent elsewhere.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 10:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0Then we start banning british flagged vessels :-)
Jan 20th, 2012 - 10:30 am - Link - Report abuse 0Comment removed by the editor.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 10:44 am - Link - Report abuse 0anyone who reads these news can think Malvinas Islands have more than 1 millon population and a very important country.....
Jan 20th, 2012 - 10:46 am - Link - Report abuse 0@3 I presume that you are using the royal 'we' here.... so that would be Argentina and a united south america?
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:00 am - Link - Report abuse 0Larf?..... I'll say I larfed......and larfed and larfed......
Teaboy, it was not meaningless, Mercosur banner a flag that is not recognized by the whole world for one that is recognized.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0@4
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:25 am - Link - Report abuse 0Aww, look at the little boy resorting to petty insults because he has no valid arguments :-))
answer the question ... on what grounds would/could any south american country ban the entry of british ships.....
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0No, i don't lower my standarts to a kid who only reply with insults.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0@7: Liberace
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:37 am - Link - Report abuse 0Please enlighten us. Which are these countries outside of Latin America that do not recognise the FI flag?
A few countries in SoAm trying to keep CFK calm is not really a victory of any consequence. It affects no one. It is meaningless outside of the CFK fan club.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:47 am - Link - Report abuse 0It is no different to giving your child a sweet when it is having a major tantrum to stop in embarrassing everyone around it. Even Brazil finds Argentina ' a problem' to be managed. Chile has warned Argentina not to ask for anything more than meaningless gestures as it will not comply.
@10...OK so that's an 'I don't know ' then.... more mindless waffle from 'the land of not quite right'...
Jan 20th, 2012 - 12:02 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This Whole Flag issue is really a Non-starter, as the Falklands Flag can be lowered and the UK Flag raised when entering or leaving SA Ports!!
Jan 20th, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
People! Let's live in peace for God's sake!
Jan 20th, 2012 - 01:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I am tired of this dispute between these two governments. The only way out of this is to forget our differences, live in peace and be friends!!
I may sound utopic or perhaps stup*d, but, what about killing people for a piece of land?? That's worst!!!
@15
Jan 20th, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That is all the Falklanders want is to live in peace and get on with there Life!!
@10
Jan 20th, 2012 - 01:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your assumption, not mine.
“Teaboy, it was not meaningless, Mercosur banner a flag that is not recognized by the whole world for one that is recognized.”
Jan 20th, 2012 - 01:48 pm - Link - Report abuse 0More ignorance from rabid nationalist Argies. The Falklands have had their own ships' register since 1861. So for 150 odd years Argentina has accepted FI flagged vessels as legal, but now all of a sudden they are not... I thought Argies were slow at getting around to things, but that really takes the cake. Oh, and show us which countries other than Mercosur have banned FI flagged vessels? So much for “the whole world”.
You peronistas make me laugh!
@17 Sir Rodderick Bodkin well answer me then ? On what grounds can Argentina break international law and block any ship flying the union jack from entering their ports ? And also you think that they will get Brazil and other countries to break the law ? Only if they are contempt to be isolated from the other continents, and as a growing economy many in SA will not want to.....
Jan 20th, 2012 - 01:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quote “...a largely self-governing British Overseas Territory in the South Atlantic, Hague said” Unquote.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 02:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Would you Britons kindly explain me (us) what is the difference between a British Overseas Territory and a British Colonial Enclave? Thank you.
The a touthless act to keep the old boot sweet, while the rest get on with business... excellant
Jan 20th, 2012 - 02:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 020 Argie
Jan 20th, 2012 - 02:42 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's an easy one. A British Overseas Territory is what we are, and the rest is a bunch of meaningless words that you made up.
“..the Falklands, a largely self-governing British Overseas Territory in the South Atlantic, Hague said.”
Jan 20th, 2012 - 02:44 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hague is really amazing how that man can lie so blatantly about the status of the islands.....
According to the UN Malvinas Islands is a Non-Self-Governing Territory, ergo a COLONY.
..in the concert of civilized nations.....this statments are simply incredible to believe from Mr Hague, (top officer in FCO)
www.un.org/en/decolonization/nonselfgovterritories.shtml
Mr Hague is not an FCO official. He is a government minister ie an elected member of parliament and a politician.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 02:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0If he says we are largely self- governing then we are. Not for you (or the UN) to decide old chap.
To your knowledge, next post is clear about uruguayans opinions: http://www.uypress.net/uc_23996_1.html
Jan 20th, 2012 - 03:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It exposes public opinions over relationships Uruguay-Argentina
Monty, don´t be ignorant, Hague is top office “Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs”
Jan 20th, 2012 - 03:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and yes....is important what UN say in this civlized world.......sorry you guys think different...aarrrggggghhh
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/our-ministers/william-hague
@19
Jan 20th, 2012 - 04:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I don't see how banning vessels and flights are breaking any law. Its your law and no one else, because for us your laws worth shit.
If other countries want to join, that's good, if not, they can do whatever they please as the claim will continue.
@27 actually if you re-read the article you will find that it is illegal under UN law for any ships bearing the Union Jack to be blocked.....And our laws are worth shit ? thats only why the majority of western countries laws are based on English law.......
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Jan 20th, 2012 - 04:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@29 Rosie Perez
Jan 20th, 2012 - 05:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The fact is that the British flag flies over the Falkland Islands and will contininue to do so (whthether you like it or not), as along as this Islanders wish it.
You, on the other hand, have nothing but a few token gestures from your neighbours who just want you to shut up and leave them alone.
The whole flag stunt is meaningless and makes you look stupid to the rest of the world. What is really sad is that you have no idea just how stupid it makes you look.
There is no place for Argentinian neo-colonialism and imperialist expansion in the 21st century.
Discussions about flags are really irrelevant. For example, in one of my trips to the Falkland Islands (to my knowledge, they don't have any other name), I took a British ship, flying the flag of the Bahamas.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 05:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0For instance, why not flying the flag of the “Independent Republic of Miranda,” instead?
Philippe
@23 Hello, prick. Sorry. Limp prick. The UN is irrelevant. We no more care what it says than you do. So you can shove all your UN quotes where the sun don't shine. I'm sure that, in your case, it's well used.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 06:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0By the way, how is that fat slug in the Casa Rosada? Doesn't she know that a “president” is supposed to be a man? Not a prostitute/slag/whore? (I'll bet she does some benders for the right people, doesn't she?)
@28
Jan 20th, 2012 - 06:53 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad, they still don't apply here.
Stategic Thinking: Don´t say words without meaning, think about options to defeat the policy of Argentinian government. Its history is clear, they don´t understand or admit any reason but theirs. Isolation over the opinion into the people of the countries of MERCOSUR is better
Jan 20th, 2012 - 07:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Crackpot, i dont know which other nations recognize the Malvinas flag or which doesnt, all i can tell you is that all world recognize they are a colonial territorie with no self-government.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.un.org/en/events/nonselfgoverning/nonselfgoverning.shtml
For the Latin American states, it doesnt matters if those ships use the british flag becouse the union jack is recognized in the UN as a member state, a sovereign state, but not the Malvinas flag. For Uruguayan or Brazilian government it doesnt matters if the ships goes to Malvinas or comes from britain as long as they use a recognized flag.
Conqueror, too many insult you use. It is obvious that you give a damn about the UN becouse it doesnt suits you. But to legitimate a war your government is the first one to go crying there saying that a nation have weapons of mass destruction. In Iraq thats exactly what happened, in Lybia, the UN authorized to protect the civilians and your government made a war with it killing more civilians than ghadafi.
About my president, well you can describe her all you like but we know your polititians and they are not a price either. The corrupt Thatcher and son, the british parliament, the Useless and good for nothing Cameron, etc...
Cheers.
22 Monty69 I'm afraid yours is the bunch of meaningless words.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Bennies are, in my view, mesmerised by an English past which is no more (better, I'd however agree, that current Argentine present), and will never be back, save as in the form of cannon and flying princes.
And, by the way, you never answered my question. To this end, you may substitute 'British Colonial Enclave' for the more clear 'British Colony'albeit I'd prefer 'English Colony' (I'm aware that not all British are English. The latter know what cricket is).
Your turn.
Cheers!
@35
Jan 20th, 2012 - 08:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Sounds like you support terrorists and oppressors of of the middle east did you serve under Gaddafi or Saddam Hussain???
The Falklands are a British Overseas Territory by choice! something which argentina does not believe in!!!!
Long Live the Falklands.
We have only one thing to say to you argie bloggers,
Jan 20th, 2012 - 08:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0back to the drawing board then ?
NEXT
Argie- I will try for you- 50 years ago we were a COLONY - The Governor from UK chaired the Executive and Legilsative Meetings and had a vote. Only half of the Legislature was elected - the rest chosen by the Governor. What the Governor and London said - we had to do.
Jan 20th, 2012 - 09:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Today:
The Governor has NO vote on any affair in the Executive nor legilsative - he still chairs the Executive but the only votes are held by elected Members. He no longer presides of the legislature - we have a “Speaker” - like many Commonwealth Countries and even UK!
Our Elected members have 100% voting control over all Taxation, Laws, etc and Budgets,Immigration etc.
EG if Aerolineas wants to fly here - it will have to apply for permits etc from (and thus recognise the existence of) the Falkland Islands Govt Dept of Civil Aviation- London could not give it anything!
That is wht OUR Plannning Dept was approached and after some changes - gave permission for your Families Assoc to build the memorial you have at Darwin cemetery - UK had Nothing to do with it.
Our Govt controls and Licences all offshore economic activity and all and any future fish or oil revenue will come to the Islands Govt and NOT to UK.
The only areas where the UK has control and liability are Foreign Affairs and Defence.
Should we seek Independence - it would be granted and we would then take over these 2 as well - for about 48hrs until Arg forces landed again
and took over - then of course we would indeed be a COLONY under a COLONIAL POWER!
That is why EUROPE lists us as a an Internal Self Governing British Territory. Because we are!
@33 Sir Rodderick Bodkin So how can you try and use the point that we have to listen to the UN resolution ? :') aha Make your mind up :) And if you do try and do it, you will face incredible international pressure. Wouldn't want to damage that flowering economy would you ? :D
Jan 20th, 2012 - 11:12 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Jan 21st, 2012 - 01:27 am - Link - Report abuse 0If Argentina and the UK break diplomatic ties, then yes, Argentina can prohibit Union Jack vessels from it's ports with no legal recourse for the UK. International pressure would be meanliness since it is within the law, national sovereingty and self-determination in terms of self-defense trump “laws of the sea”. And I doubt many would care anyway.
and how would that stop ships calling at Brazilian, Uruguayan, and Chilean ports?
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:01 am - Link - Report abuse 0@ #1 Teaboy...Look, the fact that any ship have to change their Falkland flag for any other in order to enter South American ports, is meaningful...it says that no South American country recognices any claim from the islanders, as these South American Nations see them to be British who live illegally on an Argentine territory. From a practical point of view, it doesn't change anything, true to be said, but still the principle that Argentina is seeking, is being carried on...like the Uruguayan president said, “we have nothing against England but a lot in favour of Argentina”, or like the Brazilian Foreign Affairs minister pointed out recently, “we fully support the Argentine sovereingty over the Malvinas/Falkland” or even as the US now is publicly calling to the two countries to sit down and solve their differences...can't get any more clear than that...
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:54 am - Link - Report abuse 0As per Argentina not having a proper Armed Forces...well...anyone knows that it doesn't take very long to go and get the proper equipment if it really was needed. Anyways, this is all nonsense...what we will see sooner or later is Argentina and England finally talking, transfering the islands to the Argies, and putting an end to this unnecessary burden.
If England really wants to start operating in Latin America, Argentina probably is the best country to start with, as they are the most culturally close to the Europeans not to mention the variety of resources that this country owns...Too bad that England can't see the woods because one tree is standing in front of its eyes...
@43 Jeremy - “Teaboy...Look, the fact that any ship have to change their Falkland flag for any other in order to enter South American ports, is meaningful...it says that no South American country recognices any claim from the islanders, as these South American Nations see them to be British who live illegally on an Argentine territory.” Wrong not all south american countries only Mercoser Countries, look at mexcio or French Guiana, which is an overseas region of France, as examples of South American Nations that have not expressed support of argentinas claim nor have they banned ships with falklands flags. In fact the Falklands islands best opition would be do the same as french Guiana and become an overseas region of UK, effectively making the falklands an County that belongs to the UK just like Essex or North Yorkshire is a county of the UK. Off course that would mean the islands name being changed to BRISTISH Falkland islands. Same for south georgia and sandwich islands. Also how can the islands been argentine territory, when the british settled on the islands and first claimed them in 1765 where as argentina did not exits as a country till the 1850's and the vice admiralty of BA was nothing but a provincial State at the time of 1833 when they illegal put a garriosn on the islands despite knowing britain had sovereignty of the islands. The inheritance claim is denied by spain too.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 04:33 am - Link - Report abuse 0“As per Argentina not having a proper Armed Forces...well...anyone knows that it doesn't take very long to go and get the proper equipment if it really was needed. ” Again wrong. First you need the money, then you need a supplier with amble stocks willing to sell them to you. Argentina has neither in this case and by the time they did get enough the islands would have been reinforced.
It is argentina that can not see the woods because of the trees. The islands were never theirs and never will be, simple as that.
41 tobias (#) Im not saying if they break Diplomatic ties, but saying that it would be illegal for them just to declare that they're are doing it now.....
Jan 21st, 2012 - 10:57 am - Link - Report abuse 0@40
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:24 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Confidence born of ignorance.
Nobody really cares as nothing will happen,
@46 Sir Rodderick Bodkin 'Confidence born of ignorance.' Im sorry but im not the usual monkeys that i presume you argue with, saying a random irrelevant phrase does not an answer my point. If you try to use the UN resolutions against us, and then break UN law, then you forfeit the use of the UN resolution in your argument.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:29 pm - Link - Report abuse 0I no that no one cares because nothing will happen. The Islands will still remain British :')
@46
Jan 21st, 2012 - 12:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Not a monkey, but an ignorant chav you might be. :-)
As for the phrase, its perfectly well put, not my problem that you have problem with reading comprehension. Perhaps your government should spend more in education. xD
The ban seems to be no so “meaningless”. Otherwise why did this bald guy take immediate contact with his Chilean, Uruguay and Brazilian peers to beg them not to reject the islands “flag”? The ban is in force and the so called “flag” is NOT accepted. Period. Great job Argentina once again.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:01 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@44 Dear Teaboy2...
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0“Wrong not all south american countries only Mercoser Countries, look at mexcio or French Guiana, which is an overseas region of France, as examples of South American Nations that have not expressed support of argentinas claim nor have they banned ships with falklands flags...”
WRONG...First of all Mexico is NOT a South American country (last time I checked...) , second French Guiana is NOT a country at all...so obviously that territory has no opinion whatsoever about the Malvinas/Falkland issue...Anyways, do you really think that Mexico would not support Argentina and support England insteadd?...mmm, I seriously doubt that, but oh well, I don't know for sure what Mexico's position about this issue is, so...I won't argue too much.
“...In fact the Falklands islands best opition would be do the same as french Guiana and become an overseas region of UK, effectively making the falklands an County that belongs to the UK just like Essex or North Yorkshire is a county of the UK. Off course that would mean the islands name being changed to BRISTISH Falkland islands. Same for south georgia and sandwich islands.”
WRONG AGAIN. England could say and do uniterally whatever it wants, still nothing would change for the rest of the world (namely UN, Latam, US, etc, etc...) who almost uninamously is calling on England to sit down and talk with Argentina about this issue, so go ahead and make the “changes” you think you should.
As per the rest of the non-sense you are saying...well, England left the islands , they became Spanish and later Argentine (i'm running out of space...otherwise I'd refresh your memory a bit more about this).
Argentina doesn't have money to purchase equipment..., I wouldn't be so sure about that, and as per finding a willing supplier...mmm...China, Russia just to name two of them, sure would be more than happy to take the spot.
Just face it buddy, England is running out of excuses and time!
The Secretary didn´t beg, obtained a retreat. The fact is: ships of UK (and from Falklands) can dock in Brazil, Uruguay and Chile. Only a piece of clothe is change. The objective is rich. That`s negotiation.
Jan 21st, 2012 - 03:16 pm - Link - Report abuse 0stop the british ROBO and colonialism. get out!
Jan 21st, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 048 Sir Rodderick Bodkin aha a chav. I like the fact you have resolved to petty insults to argue you point, which is hardly effective. The phrase did nothing to argue my point, but was rather a mere diversion to actually addressing what i have to say. Its okay to admit that you were wrong , i wont make fun of you, its not your fault you are like what you are, must be the water down where you are......
Jan 21st, 2012 - 06:51 pm - Link - Report abuse 0...Too bad that England can't see the woods because one tree is standing in front of its eyes...
Jan 21st, 2012 - 09:57 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And that one large tree, stolen from its family and roots, was savagely cut up
And altered into a horrific large cabinet dressing table,
And the carrier of this large item
[Argentina of course ]
.
@48
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 04:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0. I like the fact you have resolved to petty insults to argue you point, which is hardly effective.''
-Looks like someone's feelings got hurt. :-)
Its okay to admit that you were wron
-Wrong? I'm correct.
. The phrase did nothing to argue my point, but was rather a mere diversion to actually addressing what i have to say.
-It was perfectly well put. Period.
i wont make fun of you, its not your fault you are like what you are, must be the water down where you are......
-Indeed indeed. Not my fault that you are a poor uneducated prick. Must the weather and the humidity of that place that damage your brain, monkey.
@55 Sir Rodderick Bodkin
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0'intellect is invisible to the man who has none'
I fear that this applies to you. Correct ? How, argue my point ? Ignoring it, doesn't make it wrong, or make you correct. Counter the point. I would hardly describe the English weather as humid.....And i don't think that there is any evidence to suggest that humidity affects the human brain, unless you can link me a journal or paper stating so ?
Just a question?
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 01:05 pm - Link - Report abuse 0How could senile, retired invaders who desire the wrong tolerate a flag which Desires the Right?
Philippe
39 Islander1. Thanks for your explanation, it cleared my doubts. We are not a colonial power though. If we come ever come back to the islands from which we were expelled by the USA in 1832, not you, and if it were my full responsibility, I'd change nothing absolutely, save of course certain symbols, such as currency, national anthem, and national colours where you'd be able to paste your mutton etc (no St. George's, Andrew's or Patrick's crosses, though) and that would be all. Your language (a lingua franca now) is spoken here quite massively, good or bad but understandable. Some of you might want to learn ours and that would be great. You would also keep a good lot of your traditional holidays and special days, such as Poppy Day, Fool's Day, &c but unfortunately not Trooping, nor QEII's birthday, etc. Finally, I have a few friends that live & were born there and I'd be very surprised if you're not one of them. Cheers!
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0May i remind people that Argentina gained its independence from portugal/ spain and when they controled south america the french controled the falklands. The british took it from the french and if im not mistaken the french took the islands when they were just a windswept un inhabited island and that it was taken for the purpose of controling the trade route from the south atlantic through to the south pacific.Until the panama canal was opened and the trade route became useless but because people were living and fishing on the island the british felt obliged to remain and look after the residents there. It is only scince the falklands war that britain has had to station troops there for the residents protection.
Jan 25th, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 059 Willhem90 I'm afraid you've got your countries mixed up a bit. May I suggest to try Wikipedia?
Jan 26th, 2012 - 03:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The windswept islands you mention were severally discovered, severally claimed for and severally occupied, at least as from the 15th century.
Their first inhabitants were however the penguins, seabirds, gulls and waterfowl, seals and other pinnipeds, and the now extinct Fk foxes.
The current touchstone is of course oil (fishing and tourism though good now largely behind), whose deposits are badly needed by the various world rulers who will somehow set hand on them regardless who the owner may be and despite what reasons are given to defend its ownership by those who say they own it, say, patriotism, first discoverer, first claimer, first ocuppant, ultima ratio regum, local decision, &c.
Residents protection is more needed now that oil had been struck, and not from us neighbours but rather from the resilient capitalist tigers that have been roaming around since.
Cheers!
@56
Jan 26th, 2012 - 04:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0'intellect is invisible to the man who has none'
Perhaps that applies to you, instead of me.. ^^
That doesn't work here and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
As for the water causing damages you don't have any proof neither, dumbass!
60 argie Thanks for correcting me as i am from britain and know more about europe's history than south americas history. My point is that the wind swept islands everyone is arguing about was discoverd and found long before Argentina gained its independence and that it has changed hands several times. But if i am not much mistaken (and you will probably be able to help on this) has it changed hands into Argentine hands and then back into british or french or spanish.
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