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Caribbean Community recognizes Falklands’ right to self determination
Ministers attending the Seventh Ministerial United Kingdom-Caribbean Forum have agreed an Action Plan, which recognises the right of self determination for the Falkland Islanders. Read full article
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Disclaimer & comment rules“Numerous Caribbean Heads of Government and Ministers attended the meeting”
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:46 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Who? Barbados boy Tim Thorogood?
BBC
“Latin American and Caribbean leaders have backed Argentina's claim over the Falklands”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8529605.stm
Are included in this statement the islanders from the Chagos Islands? Too bad they did not make a joint statement with the people in that area of Diego Garcia (Oh no, not again touch the subject Chagos stinging!)
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 06:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFYyA1WIWnY&list=UUyJHGX4E6EOjZE9qY2r71CA&index=1&feature=plcp
“..Member of the Legislative Assembly Jan Cheek said: “We are delighted to have our rights recognized by our friends in the Caribbean. We have much in common with island states all around the world. ”
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 07:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This is a joke ???? of course you have a lot in common...
Those places or belong to British Commonwealth community...or are a COLONY....EXACTLY as Malvinas.
C´mon guys....be serious, the world laugh at you, is childish argument Mr Hague.
CARICOM Caribeean Members:
Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belice, Dominica, Granada, Guyana, Haití, Jamaica, Montserrat, Sant Kitts and Nevis, Santa Lucía, San Vicente & Granadinas, Suriname and Trinidad & Tobago.
BRITISH COMMONWEALTH Members :
Antigua & Barbuda, Bahamas, Barbados, Belice, Dominica, Granada, Guyana, Jamaica, Sant Kitts and Nevis, Santa Lucía, San Vicente & Granadinas, Trinidad & Tobago.
Plus
Australia, Bangladesh, Botswana, Brunei, Camerún, Canada, Chipre, Gabia, Ghana, India, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Malawi, Malasia, Maldivas, Malta, Mauritius( Mauricio), Mozambique, Namibia, Nueva Zelandia, Nigeria, Papua Nueva Guinea, Samoa, Seychelles, Sierra Leona, Singapur, Islas Solomon, Sudafrica, Sri Lanka, Suazilandia, Tonga, Tvalu, Uganda, Reino Unido, Tanzania, Vanuatu and Zambia
@JPL
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 07:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0and yet you demand the exact same thing happens to the islanders. but of course given
a) your utter genocide of native tribes in the conquest of the desert
http://qollasuyu.indymedia.org/es/2005/05/1952.shtml
http://qollasuyu.indymedia.org/es/2005/05/1952.shtml
http://qollasuyu.indymedia.org/es/2005/05/1952.shtml
b) your sickening use of the african population as cannon fodder (leading to them being nigh utterly wiped out)
http://qollasuyu.indymedia.org/es/2005/05/1952.shtml
c) your titanic land theft, of which you have yet to relinquish ANY land you stole.
such sickening hypocrisy is to be expected. especially from such a deeply pathetic nation like yours
http://qollasuyu.indymedia.org/es/2005/05/1952.shtml
Given the plight of the Chagos islanders has given them UK public support, as well as UK courts supporting them, it can safely be said that the British government is the only part at fault here.
with argentina, your entire brain-dead population shrieks in support of the subjugation of the islanders, for reasons both fraudulent and utterly hypocritical.
now if you find issue with what i write, then provide historical sources to disprove it, or just go back to the malvinense.com and cry about it with the other cowards there.
@3 sofa: “Those places or belong to British Commonwealth community...or are a COLONY....”
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 07:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And your point is? All those places (apart from Montserrat) are independent states who can have whatever views they like. Are you saying that because many are members of the Commonwealth that means their views are irrelevant.
You could say the same about any organisations of South American states.
Argentina was once part of a colony, was it not?
”This basic right is what the Argentine Government is trying to deny us.”
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 07:33 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is the UN who denies this right to the imposed population.
Argentina is only following UN calls for negotiation... Something that British arrogance is sistemically ignoring.
Punch in the face for Argentine Colonialism. And these are apparently the countries that hate our guts ? .......
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 07:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 03 so_far (#) Rather insulting labelling them as simply 'colonies' but then again you lot seem like your stuck in the 19th century.If they are colonies, doesn't that make you simply just a Spanish colony ?
I love how the Argentinians come out with imaginary stories every time something goes against them......
Good to see the Caribbean supports the Falklanders RIGHT to Self Determination that is TRUE Democracy something which argentina needs to Learn!!!
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Long Live the Falklands.
Down with argentine Colonialism.
Would your opinion be different if Spain, had a commonwealth of nations of ex, colonies,
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:07 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And do you think and south American countries would become members,
Just a thought .
These countries live way to close to chaves to take any different stance.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Remember East Timor.
@10
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:26 pm - Link - Report abuse 0What is a chaves?????????????????????????????
Remember Beagle Islands.
Chavez as in Hugo.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:43 pm - Link - Report abuse 0He who went to cuba for medical treatment, an arsehole transplant but the arsehole rejected him.
3 so_far
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:52 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Aren't these the same countries that were supporting you a few weeks ago?
You didn't think they were worthless then, did you?
Which just goes to show that most countries will say just about anything for a quiet life.
And that goes for most of your 'Supporters'.
@ 8
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 08:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see the Caribbean supports the Falklanders RIGHT to Self Determination that is TRUE Democracy something which argentina needs to Learn!!!
How come this is more important than the support shown by CELAC ?
If you all think that the CELAC statement was useless, so was this one.
I am beggining to think that all the s*it posted in here is like an arguement between two guys on whose co*k is bigger.
Things will change (or not) no matter what kind of rubbish gets posted in this forum
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Jan 23rd, 2012 - 09:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Quite funny this. Argentina works itself to exhaustion to get verbal support and a ban on FI vessels, that it then hold up to the world as great diplomatic successes and suddenly “poof”. One short trip and a nod from the UK and the Brazilians allow FI registered vessels to dock while flying the Union Jack and the apparent Argie supporters in the Caribbean remember what side their bread is buttered on.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 09:04 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Great being British isn't it :-) Argies have to try so hard to move one step forward and we undo all that work by simply clearing our throat.
@ 15
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 09:08 pm - Link - Report abuse 0That's a nice piece of humor, Conqueror
I thought brit humor was better than this
Un poco resentido pareces
@14
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 09:10 pm - Link - Report abuse 0You are Right about the postings the argentines will carry on with there 1833 joke and We will carry on with Our Right to Self Determination statement of intent!!!
Thought the WHOLE WORLD supported Argentina. Seems not. Must be really tough when your world falls apart.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0AHAHAHAHAAHA!
What happens,hague and the brits are beign brushed off by heavy wigths,like Brazil,USA,China...
Now the kids got sooo happy...daddy,daddy.look what I got.....
It only shows your stupidity.
uk IS LOOSING The grip....and Mr cameron was an incompetent in dealing with the subject.
Argentina’s claim to the islands received the support of neighbouring Latin American and Caribbean governments at last year’s Rio summit in Cancun, Mexico. In a statement of solidarity with her claim the summit declared: “The heads of state represented here reaffirm their support for the legitimate rights of the republic of Argentina in the sovereignty dispute with Great Britain.”
Time to get real...
Time to get real
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:17 pm - Link - Report abuse 0This real enough for you
http://www.clarin.com/politica/empresa-petrolera-Unidos-operaria-Malvinas_0_632936838.html
Una empresa petrolera estadounidense pagaría unos 1.500 millones de dólares al gobierno británico para sumarse a la exploración de hidrocarburos en la plataforma submarina de las Islas Malvinas
Malviner - so after you have lost the “war crime” argument you appear here.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:30 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Brazil - Can FI registered vessels dock if they fly the Union Jack. Yes, so the FI look to be British them :-)
USA - Anadarko, the independent oil and gas producer with connections to the US gvt and military is in farm-in negotiations with RKH
China - hold a stake in Singapore sovereign investments which owns about 3% of RKH. Granted licence for Yuan currency trading in London. The only such overseas licence for the Yuan
Hmmm, what is more real, words or actions.
Looks like you are runner up again. Time to get REAL ££££££££££ :-)
20 stick up your junta (#)
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to get real
This real enough for you
The UN does not support the islanders in the negotiation
The UN does not recognize the right of self determination of the Malvinas. For the UN are the subject of law, but no subject. The only ones who can negotiate for the UN, are Britain and Argentina.
http://translate.google.es/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.clarin.com%2Fpolitica%2FONU-admite-islenos-negociacion_0_632936727.html
@JPL
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:55 pm - Link - Report abuse 0The UN charter Chapter 1
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
and Chapter 11
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
and ICJ precedents
in Westen Sahara http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
in Kosovo http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
and in East Timor http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
All give full legal support to the ISlanders, and give them the full right of self determination. As they are legally binding mandates, they each utterly outweigh General Assembly resolutions (half of which support britain anyway)
also the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/chapter1.shtml
all give Total, and utter support to self etermination of ALL peoples
there is zero legal statement from the UN that states this does not apply to the Islanders, nor any non legal statement to that effect.
however, your pathetic nation acting with such sickening hypocrisy is to be expected, given your delusions of power, importance and righteousness.
it would be funny were it not so pathetic.
The UN also does not recognize Argentine Teritorial Integrity over the Islands. You point is therefore worthless. The islanders claim this right and for you to challenge this claim requires a legal challenge in the appropriate court.
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Yet you are too spineless to do this. Cowards.
Is not, the point of democracy?
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 11:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Is to have rights,
The point of dictatorship,
Is to deny those rights.
.
#23 Yawn.......
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 11:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0only 2 sides here boy......Argentina and UK for resove this madness.
Ask last statmemtns of UE, UN, C-24 and even your more closer ally USA.
Repeat after me....2 players.......2........2....2......got it ??
great....dimiss now
20 stick up your junta (#) Jan 23rd, 2012 - 10:17 pm Report abuse
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 11:50 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Time to get real
This real enough for you
www.clarin.com/politica/empresa-petrolera-Unidos-operaria-Malvinas_0_632936838.html
Una empresa petrolera estadounidense pagaría unos 1.500 millones de dólares al gobierno británico para sumarse a la exploración de hidrocarburos en la plataforma submarina de las Islas Malvinas
WOW YOUR LUCKY YOUR ON THE RIGHT SIDE OLD BOY OR ZETHE WOULD BE REPORTING YOU TO THE EDITOR !!!!
#27.....british with double standard ??
Jan 23rd, 2012 - 11:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0nahhh.....no way !!!
about the english site writing rules......well is FULLy applied when suit british interest , just as self-determination, ask chagossian about self-determination...
Brits are unbelieve people, Freud would have a party in UK
@26 Sofabed: “only 2 sides here boy......Argentina and UK for resove this madness.”
Jan 24th, 2012 - 12:17 am - Link - Report abuse 0Unfortunately, if you want to negociate and change of sovereignty with the UK, you have to OK that with the Falkland Islanders first. That's the UK policy and it isn't going to change. So, no, there are three interested parties here, I'm afraid. If you don't want to talk directly to the Islanders, then you're just going to have to sing for it. You're going to be singing for a long time.
Bit off the topic I know but “Brits” did you read your own newspaper today?
Jan 24th, 2012 - 12:42 am - Link - Report abuse 0Tuesday 24 January 2012
“America overcomes the debt crisis as Britain sinks deeper into the swamp”
“ Britain has sunk deeper into debt. Three years after bubble burst, the UK has barely begun to tackle the crushing burden left by Gordon Brown. The contrast with the United States is frankly shocking”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9031478/America-overcomes-the-debt-crisis-as-Britain-sinks-deeper-into-the-swamp.html
Don't worry, Mr Cameron to the rescue!
'don’t complain about welfare cuts, go and find work'
Tuesday 24 January 2012
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/9031478/America-overcomes-the-debt-crisis-as-Britain-sinks-deeper-into-the-swamp.html
Have a read of todays Daily Telegraph a right wing tory loving newspaper .
Jan 24th, 2012 - 01:07 am - Link - Report abuse 0The Debt of the UK has reached an incredible 507% of GDP massively higher than Spain or Italy.Its only a matter of time before the internatiional focus switches from the Eurozone to the real sick man Of Europe
From the British newspaper the Guardian. 1.19.12
Jan 24th, 2012 - 01:38 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Falklands colonialism is coming from David Cameron, not Argentina
Cameron cannot respect the right to self-determination of the Falklanders while denying it to South American states”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/19/falklands-colonialism-david-cameron-argentina
“Commander of Falklands defence force says best time to attack Islands is Friday night”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/19/falklands-colonialism-david-cameron-argentina
A referendum should be held in the Islands to establish what Islanders think:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/19/falklands-colonialism-david-cameron-argentina
“Britain is asleep over Argentina and the Falklands
South America is growing in strength and increasingly united. Britain must wake up to this new reality”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/19/falklands-colonialism-david-cameron-argentina
Patrick Watts - “Falklands will always be british”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/19/falklands-colonialism-david-cameron-argentina
BRITISH GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS FALKLAND OIL AS NEW NORTH SEA WHICH MIGHT RAISE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR TREASURY:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/19/falklands-colonialism-david-cameron-argentina
You are good at selling news Dross, ever thought of setting up in business? There must be an empty street corner somewhere in BA :-)
Jan 24th, 2012 - 02:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0The UN also does not recognize Argentine Teritorial Integrity over the Islands. You point is therefore worthless. The islanders claim this right and for you to challenge this claim requires a legal challenge in the appropriate court“
Jan 24th, 2012 - 02:45 am - Link - Report abuse 0Yes it does.And each UNGA resolution,got more support to the Argentine case
”The application of the principle of decolonization to the Falklands case would involve two important issues.
Section (6) of UN Resolution 1514 states:
Any attempt aimed at the total or partial disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.
Argentina claims on this basis the restoration of its territorial integrity.
Furthermore, according to a study on the right to self-determination for the UN Commission on human rights (U.N. doc. E/ CN.4/Sub2/204 paras 267-279), Aureliu Cristescu describes the following as 'elements of a definition' of a 'people' that can exercise this right:
The relevant elements are that the term 'people' denotes a social entity possessing a clear identity and its own characteristics, and that it implies a relationship with a territory, even if the people in question has been wrongfully expelled from it and artificially replaced by another population (Quoted from ICJ 1982, p. 32).
This interpretation would clearly favour Argentina's case.
http://www.malvinasonline.com.ar/index.php/derecho-internacional/articulos/57-the-british-resort-to-force.html
Bluth,British professor.
Sorry beef,read Simon Jenking books on MAlvinas...He describe the brits crimes at Darwin..Get real..No crimes by Argentina.Did Argentina got sued for mistreatment of the islander??// Show me that any islander or brits soldier sued Argentina about not complying the geneva convention....
AND NO BRIT WAS INJURED In Argentina rigthfull recuperation of the Malvina's territory
Sorry guys uk is Looking more and more like the real pirates..And
Under british rule the Caribbean had taken approximately 47 percent of the 10 million African slaves the british brought to the Americas. Of this number, about 17 percent came to the British Caribbean. Although the white populations maintained their superior social positions, they became a numerical minority in all the islands. In the early nineteenth century, fewer than 5 percent of the total population of Jamaica, Grenada, Nevis, St. Vincent, and Tobago was white, fewer than 10 percent of the population of Anguilla, Montserrat, St. Kitts, St. Lucia, and the Virgin Islands. Only in the Bahamas, Barbados, and Trinidad was more than 10 percent of the total population white. By sharp contrast, Trinidad was the only colony in the British Caribbean to have fewer than 80 percent of its population enslaved. Sugar and slavery gave to the region a predominantly African population.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 04:10 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://countrystudies.us/caribbean-islands/8.htm
Jamaica to break links with britain and become republic:
http://countrystudies.us/caribbean-islands/8.htm
Although Jamaica achieved independence from Britain in 1962 it still retains its colonial ties in an arbitrary monarchical system. Jamaica has both a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy. As part of the Commonwealth Realm, Queen Elizabeth of Britain is the official head of state of Jamaica, and retains the title Queen of Jamaica. The government has a Governor-General which represents the British monarchy in the government of Jamaica. The Governor-General appoints the members of the Cabinet on the advice of the Prime Minister. The monarch and the Governor-General have ceremonial roles in the day-to-day operation of the government but have reserve power to dismiss the Prime Minister or Parliament.
Today the people of Jamaica are affected by imperialist oppression. 43 percent of the population lives below the poverty level of $2.50 a day.
I also support the rights of british fakland island company in Uk. not in Islas Malvinas Argenrina. the british are free to go home whenever they wish. illegal aliens have no rights in America. maybe in UK gypsys can set up a tent and their own government anywhere they wish but in America illegal aliens get deported. no if's or but's.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 04:35 am - Link - Report abuse 0Politicians - don't ya love 'em - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJG75FJkjr8
Jan 24th, 2012 - 05:05 am - Link - Report abuse 0:-)
Marv - Argentina never managed to get any 'territorial integrity' over the Falklands, so you argument is stuffed from the beginning.
Dross = irrelevant!
Prat-Hunt = the Brits are indded Free, as are the Falkland Islanders - free to tell you to get stuffed! As for illegal aliens - check out your ancestors!
@ 37 Lord Ton
Jan 24th, 2012 - 05:40 am - Link - Report abuse 0“Dross = irrelevant”
Really? you persistently accuse Argentina of colonial aggression but when you are confronted with your own nation's 400 year history of slavery, colonialist aggression and genocide you discard it as irrelevant.
Interesting
Yawn !
Jan 24th, 2012 - 06:41 am - Link - Report abuse 0Damn proud of our Empire !
I am British - to the core!!
Sorry Malviner, you are wrong again. I suggest you look at the real broad range of sources and not one that by the very title suggests it is biased Argentine propaganda. None of these supposed UN arguments indicates the UN supports Argentina.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 07:08 am - Link - Report abuse 0Find me a single UN resolution that asks directly for a transfer of soverignty :-)
We don't negotiate such transfers with cowards and imperialists. When are you going to take us to court?
@32 dental floss:
Jan 24th, 2012 - 10:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0“BRITISH GOVERNMENT CONSIDERS FALKLAND OIL AS NEW NORTH SEA WHICH MIGHT RAISE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR TREASURY:”
I just love the way that some of the Argie posters here amend things to try and suit their ends. If you actually read the link to this, there is no mention of “British Governement” or “Treasury” or indeed anything to do with the UK whatsoever, in the whole article. The article simply says that there could be a “North Sea-style boom” and that it could generate billions of pounds. It doesn't say who would be getting those billions.“
@34 Marvin:
I wonder if you could actually provide us with a formal definition of what ”territorial intergrity” actually is. You'll be hard-pushed to find any UN defintion of it anywhere. It's a pretty meaningless term without it.
Madame President, welcome back, we wish you no ill will. We hope you continue the hard work to define your ‘model’. This year, your farming community, who despise your government, will again suffer drought and no doubt the already crumbling beef & grain industries will have another nail thrust into their coffins by both government policy and weather. Poor trading receipts will uncover your lies (too many to list) and your economy will unravel and demonstrate that Argentina needs to get its house in order - AGAIN. Another tin-pot democracy, the scourge of the Argentine people since 1983, will once again start the process of ‘taking their people to the cleaners’. You have rushed through legislation when Argentina’s eyes were closed (December) that will enable you to use ‘terrorism’, as defined by you, a corrupt and lacklustre government, to muzzle dissenters. Other cleverly planned legislation, supposedly to open up your media will combine with recent draconian legislation to muzzle your press and anyone else who might antagonise you. As you take more and more power away from your institutions and people, and centralise your power base the courts will fall under your spell and a rush of legal decisions (new for Argentina) will cement your hold on power. A Parliamentary system will steal ‘Putins’ thunder – president Kirchner and ‘prime minister’ Kirchner we presume?
Jan 24th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0A ‘chav-anista’ in white head scarf and the palest blue – but no sun.
Please, continue to lie and cheat, and demonstrate that you are unfit to govern the Argentine.
Because the world will know you are unfit to govern a small island that you now intimidate and blockade.
@36 Big words but little action. Just get it into your small brain the Falkland Islands are not Argentine. If they were then surely that rag of yours would be flying over the Islands.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 10:16 am - Link - Report abuse 0Your colonial ambitions will not succeed.
Thanks for your support Caricom....just shows doesn't it how views can change when the real situation is revealed. Argentina is attempting to bully and harrass a small Island population into entering negotiations with a pre-conceived outcome. The Caribbean Island nations quite rightly do not approve of these neanderthal tactics, and support the right to self determination of all peoples.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 10:34 am - Link - Report abuse 0Long live the rule of law.
”Since the Second World War a number of states have laid claim to territories which they allege to have been detached from them as a result of colonisation. As legal justification for such claims Paragraph 6 of Resolution 1514(XV) has been cited. Paragraph 6 provides that any attempt “aimed at partial or total disruption of the national unity and the territorial integrity of a country is incompatible with the purposes and principles of the Charter”. ... reject this interpretation, arguing that paragraph 6 cannot be read to justify territorial claims. The purpose of paragraph 6 they contend was simply “to ensure that acts of self-determination occur within the established boundaries of colonies, rather than within sub-regions”. This is the position, for example, of the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom has pointed out that the use of the word “attempt” in paragraph 6 connotes future action, and that paragraph 6 cannot therefore be construed to justify territorial redress for past actions. Its aim is rather to protect “colonial territories or countries that have recently become independent against attempts to divide them...at a time which they are least able to defend themselves. This interpretation makes paragraph 6 subordinate to paragraph 2, so that the right of self-determination remains available to the inhabitants of all non-self-governing territories without exception.”
Jan 24th, 2012 - 10:55 am - Link - Report abuse 0Self-determination and national minoritiesAuthor: Thomas D. Musgrave
Title: Self-determination and national minorities
Publication Number: ISBN 9780198298984
Publisher: Oxford University Press
Year: 2000
Page: 239
Note - cited reliable opinion of a lawyer specialising in International Law not the propaganda of any country.
Sorry Malviner, you are wrong again. I suggest you look at the real broad range of sources and not one that by the very title suggests it is biased Argentine propaganda. None of these supposed UN arguments indicates the UN supports Argentina.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 11:36 am - Link - Report abuse 0As usual beef,since you are a crook,triying to sell bad stocks,the sources to your dismay are british.....
I did not use any Argentine sources.I have read several books from brits authors.....The excert came from brittain ....
Why do you insist in something I am not???
I am a very well travelled person......
Why you insist in your stupidity,beef???
I have a mind of my own......
@17 I like it. Why aren't you laughing? Too close to the truth?
Jan 24th, 2012 - 12:14 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@19 and now the Caribbean governments have changed their minds. AHAHAHAHAAHA!
@22 You can't read can you? Let me try again. ONLY THE SOUTH AMERICAN-INFILTRATED AND BIASED FOURTH COMMITTEE SUPPORTS THE ARGENTINE POSITION. Bent over and waggling its butt!
@26 Only 2 players. Quite right! Britain and the Falkland Islands. EU - irrelevant. UN - irrelevant. c-24 Who? USA - irrelevant. Argentina - irrelevant. South America - irrelevant. Get the picture, dumb brain? You am IRRELEVANT!
@27 Sorry, don't speaka da gibberish. Could you translate into a proper language?
@28 No such thing as “chagossian”.
@30 Alternative headline. “Forty years on, Argentina still in economic dire straits. Despite devaluing by facot of 10 million.” How about them apples, dog's breath?
@31 “inflation accelerated sharply, reaching an average of more than 300% per year during the 1975-1991 period, increasing prices by a factor of 20 billion.” Extract from “Economic history of Argentina”. Like it?
@36 P*ss off, Prat-hunted.
@38 Britain first country to declare slavery illegal. “The Spaniards were the first Europeans to use African slaves in the New World on islands such as Cuba and Hispaniola, where the native population starved themselves rather than work for the Spanish.” “the Spanish colonists gradually became involved in the Atlantic slave trade. The first African slaves arrived in Hispaniola in 1501; by 1517, the natives had been ”virtually annihilated“ by the settlers.” That's YOU, boy!
@46 “I have a mind of my own......” No, you don't. You have a brain-washed, indoctrinated, lemming or sheep-like mentality that rejects anything that appears to undermine your government-induced paranoia.
http://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
Jan 24th, 2012 - 01:28 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Read ....History...dont spout argentine lies.. you have no claim
#48.Names used:
Jan 24th, 2012 - 01:34 pm - Link - Report abuse 0First Redhoyt
Later Fillipo
Later Lord Ton
....and now CLOHO ???
Please stop it Lorton....is really bored
:)
@27
Jan 24th, 2012 - 01:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0WOW YOUR LUCKY YOUR ON THE RIGHT SIDE OLD BOY OR ZETHE WOULD BE REPORTING YOU TO THE EDITOR !!!!
point taken :-))))))
An American oil company would pay about $ 1,500 million to the British government to join the exploration of hydrocarbons in the continental shelf of the Falkland Islands.
Actually it was Hoytred first, but that got blocked, so then it was Redhoyt and then Lord Ton - the others I know not.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 02:06 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good to see a serious version of history getting about though :-)
The Liar Archer strike again...
Jan 24th, 2012 - 02:09 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Good tittle for a book......c´mon..you love to write, make a best seller buddy.
:)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/24/chinese-professor-hong-kong-dogs
Jan 24th, 2012 - 02:49 pm - Link - Report abuse 053 Kipling (#) @ Shows once again that the people who have previously been under British rule, don't hate us, (even after all the 'evil' we have committed unto these people ) as alot of the poeple state on here,.......
Jan 24th, 2012 - 02:59 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And now, finally, an article thast totally refutes every claim that Argentina makes.
Jan 24th, 2012 - 03:39 pm - Link - Report abuse 0http://www.malvinasonline.com.ar/index.php/derecho-internacional/articulos/25-falklands-or-malvinas-the-background-to-the-dispute.html
** 21 Beef
Jan 24th, 2012 - 04:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0do you want to learn somethings about on British oil strategies ??
i write Kyle's email...ask her ..!!
Kyle.Macdonaldwallis@dti.gsi.gov.uk
awn !
Jan 24th, 2012 - 05:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Damn proud of our Empire !
I am British - to the core!!
lordton:AHAHAHAHAHHHAHA Damn proud of the empire???
Hey people,is there a brit empire???
Can you help me find it???
Thanks!!
#55 conqueroo: BS as usual...Just take care of the 3 million poor brittons....article coming from which sources??/metford?? Who is????
Just tell BrazilChile,Uruguay about that....NOO Body give a damn about uk!! Get real! uk is OUT!
U.S. Position on the Falkland (Malvinas) Islands
Jan 24th, 2012 - 05:56 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Tuesday, 24 January 2012, 10:00 am
Press Release: US State Department
Taken Question
Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
Question Taken at the January 19, 2012 Daily Press Briefing
January 20, 2012
________________________________________
QUESTION: Does the U.S. take a position on the recent posturing between the United Kingdom and Argentina over the Falklands?
ANSWER: This is a bilateral issue that needs to be worked out directly between the governments of Argentina and the United Kingdom. We encourage both parties to resolve their differences through dialogue in normal diplomatic channels.
We recognize de facto United Kingdom administration of the islands but take no position regarding sovereignty.
Dont you just love the West Indians. Not geting bullied by their South American neighbours..
Jan 24th, 2012 - 06:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0@58
Jan 24th, 2012 - 07:40 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Your point is WHAT?????????????????????????
Down with argentine Colonialism.
57 Malvinero1
Jan 24th, 2012 - 08:38 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Hey people, is there a brit empire???
[well to be fair, if not, why do you all keep referring to it,
[and to be fair again, is it not true, that you guys secretly harbour thoughts of empire,]]
Malvinero1
55 conqueroo: BS as usual...Just take care of the 3 million poor brittons
[ the giggest problem with the truth,, is that it hurts does it not,]
[there is not 3 million unemployed in the uk,]
[how many in your country]
Malvinero1
NOO Body give a damn about uk!!
[again is it not true that you harbour dreams of being british]
[if not why do you spend weeks telling us , you don’t care]
[clark gable]
Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damm .
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@34/45: Fundamentally Resolution 1514(XV) refers to the relationship between metropole & the colony & their respective territorial integrity within that context, where the disruption of national unity & territorial integrity of either the metropole or colony is incompatible with the principles of the UN Treaty. It does not extend to the claims of other states, but the actual metropole at the time of decolonization
Jan 24th, 2012 - 09:03 pm - Link - Report abuse 0It is an attempt by the authors of the UN Treaty to account for the mistakes of the League of Nations. They retain the correct idea to allow decolonization by democratic plebliscite of the peoples subject to colonial rule but attempt to prevent partition situations like the Versaille Treaty created for Germany with the enclaves of the Sudetenland, Danzig, Schleswig, Prussia to name but a few, by not permitting analogous creation of single nations of peoples partitioned by territorial division in the future decolonizations of colonies. This is the key concept & consideration behind the territorial integrity declaration in resolution 1514(XV)
In the context of the decolonization of the Falkland Islands from British colonial government and rule, the Argentine presumption of disruption of Argentine national unity or territorial integrity is weak, because the people under colonial rule do not identify themselves with Argentina or its culture & there has never been a strong past prescriptive territorial link, whereas for Great Britain and the Falkland Islanders the concept of the disruption of national unity & territorial integrity is very strong
given their close relationship & long association. In this case there would be the potential for civil war, were partition of the Falkland Islanders to occur between Great Britain & the Falkland Islands in any plebliscite of the Falkland Islanders & British residents leading to the creation of British or Falkland Islander enclaves by partitioned territory
Argentine interpretation of 1514(XV) is unusual & flawed
brits interpretation is AS USUAL VERY FLAWED.....
Jan 25th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0Too bad that Nooo BODY RECOGNIZES uk in the SA.....time is up...
UN Guarantees
Jan 25th, 2012 - 02:28 am - Link - Report abuse 0http://falklandsnews.wordpress.com/2012/01/25/falklanders-right-to-self-determination-guaranteed/
The fact remains that the intended purpose of the territorial integrity and national unity declarations of resolution 1514(XV) is to provide guidance on the implementation of Article 73 to avoid creating conflict between the erstwhile metropole and erstwhile colony post self-determination of the colony.
Jan 25th, 2012 - 08:14 am - Link - Report abuse 0Any other interpretation is simply fantastical wishful thinking on the part of that interpreter.
Argentine could easily test this legal point of law by requesting an advisory legal judgement from the UN International Court of Justice.
Argentina does not take its interpretation to the UN ICJ, presumably from fear of their argument being rejected. Rather Argentina prefers to keep its wild claims extra-judicial so that they are not required to meet the burden of proof nor proper standards of legal rigor.
The reason Argentina does not put its interpretation to the test is to maintain its campaign of disinformation using a mixture of half-truths and falsehoods for the purposes of its narrow nationalistic populist political agenda and associated propaganda campaign
Shame on Argentina.
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Jan 25th, 2012 - 12:47 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get real! uk is OUT!
Jan 25th, 2012 - 04:45 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Get real and put a date on it dickhead.
You won't because you can't, because you know you can't beat us, not now, not in 10 years not even in 100 years. You've played your hand badly, threats don't work. You should have cosied up to those Islanders while you had the chance but instead you decided to bully. That won't work either never has and never will. And now of course we have the oil (that doesn't exist). No chance now you Hispanic tossers. Bring it on, but of course you won't because you're a cowardly nation that can only hope to survive by being beneath contempt as you have been for over a century.
Too bad that Nooo BODY RECOGNIZES uk in the SA.....time is up...
Jan 25th, 2012 - 07:20 pm - Link - Report abuse 0//////////
If no body recognises the UK, then how do you know you are talking to the right country,
You could be talking to yourselves [Again]
I am from the UK born and bred, but am on the side of the Agentinians here. We own the Falklands through colonialism. Ok the Spaniads colonised south America hundreds of years ago, but at least they are now multicultural and live as one government in Argentine and the country is named as its own and not as Spanish. We however call the Falklands British and half of the peolpe who live there have not stepped foot in Britain. The tried to take it back in about 1982 yes, but they had more blood spilt than us, we should have given it back to them then. And now we are wanting to keep it because of the oil. simple as, do you really think David Cameron would be so bothered about keeping it as our colony if it wasn't for the oil? Because I very much doubtit, I bet he would be saying of “course we should hand it back to them, they want it back, and rightly so”. But because of the oil he is saying otherwise and using the islanders who's ancestors colonised the island as a reason for us to hold on to it. Everything Mr Cameron does comes down to money, he manipulates everything he says to justify his actions, he would perswade the British public black was white if it made our government a few £billion. Ok let the innocent people who consider their selves to be British keep their citizenship, but give the Argentinians the rights to all the natural resources, i.e. oil, in and around the island. I mean how on earth can we claim an island to be ours that is thousands of miles away from the UK & that 50-90% of British people wouldn't even know where it is on a map, in my eyes it's a no brainer who it belongs too, I mean if were going to be 100% just about it, give the oil to the native Americans who's ancestors have lived there for thousands of years, and then that would settle the argument once and for all. It's like Pakistan claiming an island with oil wealth 70 miles off of the shores of America, do you really think the Americans would approve of that? I don't think so. Simple as
Jan 27th, 2012 - 03:03 am - Link - Report abuse 0It's more like all British South Atlantic possessions that was established before Argentina was established are being claimed because Argentine nationalist politicians who have always maintained an expansionist territorial policy
Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:31 am - Link - Report abuse 0Only Chilean & British prior possession of territory has prevented Argentina annexing territory held by those states for itself
Today's maps are misleading; in the New World of the Americas, borders of European immigrant states were dynamic, as the European settlers conquered more & more of the indigenous Amerindian tribes' ancestral lands
A look at a contemporary maps of the region in 1833 show Argentina's frontier at the was about 1500 kms from the Falkland Islands & over 3000 kms from South Georgia and 3500km from the South Sandwich Islands. Since then Argentina dispossessed the Patagons of their ancestral lands & Patagonia was forcefully annexed into the state of Argentina.
This is why Argentina's outermost island borders in Tierra del Fuego are now some 300km distance from the Falklands. Argentina's borders moved closer to the Falkand Islands over time
The Falklands were ruled by the British as a Crown Colony & were non-self -governing until 1961, when resolution 1514(XV) granted independence to colonial countries including British Crown Colonies & requiring Great Britain to implement UN Treaty Charter Article 73 for the Falkland Islanders in accordance with resolution 1514(XV). Initially Britain's Executive, principally the Foreign office, tried to ignore its lawful responsibility to the Falkland Islanders but since 1982 war has implemented UN Article 73
One of the purposes of the United Nations was to to develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights & self-determination of peoples & this is the principle why only the settled population of the Falkland Islanders under Article 73 have the right to self-determination
The Falkland Islanders have democratically chosen to be British
69
Jan 27th, 2012 - 07:22 pm - Link - Report abuse 0And the Daleks said
indoctrinator, INDOCRINATE indoctrinated INDOCRINATe
yep ??
# 69 Mr D Senior
Jan 27th, 2012 - 09:19 pm - Link - Report abuse 0Was a real pleasure read your comments with a balanced and fair point of view, indeed is the position of honest people in UK, including your more prestigious, academic and honest media in the country that support Argentinean position, bless
If one agrees then ya ok
Jan 27th, 2012 - 10:00 pm - Link - Report abuse 0but if you don’t agree then ya aren’t ok,
so far- so good
only another 53 million 999 thousand 9 hundred and 99 to go then,
Ah but you have 3 intelligent Argentineans on here that support the British,
mmmmmmmmmmm
If one agrees then ya ok
Jan 28th, 2012 - 01:09 am - Link - Report abuse 0but if you don’t agree then ya aren’t ok,
so far- so good
only another 53 million 999 thousand 9 hundred and 99 to go then,
Ah but you have 3 intelligent Argentineans on here that support the British,
mmmmmmmmmm
and from the brits side we have a chimp(Clown),2 liars and may be one is good...
(69)
Jan 28th, 2012 - 10:06 am - Link - Report abuse 0You say :
I am from UK born and bred,but I am on the side of Argentina here.......
I say :
Your failure to help us,is exactly what our common enemy wants you to do...after all they believe you are nothing more than a slave to them anyway......
Malvinero1
Jan 28th, 2012 - 11:21 am - Link - Report abuse 0the child utters
enough said
Malvinero1
Jan 28th, 2012 - 01:25 pm - Link - Report abuse 0the child utters
enough said
Did you get a psychiatrist to deal with your inferiority complex chimp???
Or you are going to look a fool for ever???
today we longer talk to children,
Jan 28th, 2012 - 07:54 pm - Link - Report abuse 0[V]
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